News you won't see in controlled mainstream media.

OK - this might be rambling, but what did anyone out there do that made them feel great! What helped you feel normal or good again?

I have been reading other posts on flushes and cleanses. You guys are a great source of information! I want to try these, but worry a bit if it is good for me or not. But it could be anything - diet changes - anything. I know for me, when I was at my worst, I had to give up sugar and coffee to survive - why, I drank 2 colas while cutting the yard, and on my honor, was ready to drive myself to the emergency room. I started to go, and then came back home, because I just thought it would be better to die at home. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> That was one thing that had immediate results, but how bizzare - I actually was scribblling down goodbye notes to my family.

I am way past that now, but wet weather can set me off - only at times now. So, bottom line, did you do something that worked for you? Whether a cleanse or supplement or anything that helped you feel better, and you knew it was right?

Thank-you!

TW

I suggest you try grapecfruit seed extract and olive leaf extract.

Thanks JNY:

I keep seeing the GSE mentioned, and have been meaning to try it. It's just that I have tons of supplements, and a lot of times, you can't tell what effect, if any, they have. GSE does sound like it is effective for some.

I do want to say that cola incident happened 3-4 years ago, before I had clue about mercury. I was never into sugar that much, but I did like a cold pepsi or coke on a hot day.

I think what I set off was a sugar spike induced panic attack - it sounds crazy unless you have experienced it. Kind of like a roller coaster ride without the thrill.

To encourage anybody out there who might be experiencing anxiety, chelation has seemed to help bring me to a state of feeling pretty level most of the time.

TW

Doing a candida diet and eliminating gluten and dairy did the most for me,....and the psyllium/bentonite/caprol colon cleanse really worked well. And of course getting the mercury fillings out, it is pretty important to do a candida cleanse before amalgam removal, for most of us anyway. It makes chelation much more efficient.

Sandi
xoxo

amalgam removal without question,castor oil packs and olive leaf have done me very good

I think the only things in the end that made an impact were the candida diet (no sugar, wheat/gluten, milk, fruit, grains) and Andy Cutler's mercury chelation protocol. And the addition of essential fats/oils to my diet and supplements, plus antioxidants.

If I had to choose one item I did want want to be without, it would be vitamin C.

For some reason have been feeling much better since started 1000mgs krill oil AM and 3 teaspoons of natural vitamin c / antioxidant with beta glucan before bed

http://www23.netrition.com/gol_fruits_of_life.html

Balancing fish oil with some coconut oil or other good fatty cholesterol is very helpful also. They work better together, you feel even better. A lot of one without the other can create an imbalance. Taking some calcium with your fish oil is also very effective, they work well together too.

In order

1) radical change in diet, excluding dairy/wheat/soya/processed food/nightshades
2) radical change in diet, excluding dairy/wheat/soya/processed food/nightshades
3) radical change in diet, excluding dairy/wheat/soya/processed food/nightshades
4) radical change in diet, excluding dairy/wheat/soya/processed food/nightshades
5) not cheating on the diet.
6) drink 2 liters of water per day(The Watercure)
7) liver flushes are very exciting and rewarding.
8) dry skin brushing + oil massage make a good start to the day
9) Oil pulling is good too
10) Kidney cleanse

sunshine

Beware of psyllium. It made me very constipated.

Its like a thousand prossibilities of what people in this forum try
It sucks because you cannot tell the placebo effect or if just another supplement you started taking with another helped
Too much $$$ to spend

Thanks for the replies!

I will be trying some of these, and have tried some of them already. There are some great ideas in here. As anon says at end, it is hard to know especially if you are mixing them all up together. I try to add one thing at a time, but it still is hard to tell.

I will add one thing that some may disagree with, but what worked to keep me sane and calm was running, and a couple times a week of light/moderate weightlifting - somtimes only 20 - 30 minutes. Of course, I have been lifting off and on for many years. In Russia, they use that approach more instead of drugs, I understand. Anybody out there want to try it for a couple weeks and let us know if it helped? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Or come back and scream, "You're an idiot - that didn't help squat!" (When I started running, I built up slow, 5 minutes added each time or two out, up to about an hour.)

I heard also that Russia banned the microwave - anyone hear that? Makes me wonder, as my doctor even has said to avoid microwaved food - but maybe this is another post.

Later,
TW

Hi Tumbleweed. Yes…so many things to try….but in what order? Just go slow and do one thing at a time, don’t mix new stuff up together, that way, you will be able to see what’s doing what. If u do anything with diet, limiting or excluding stuff; a food diary is hugely helpful. Enables u to see what caused what, which is especially difficult because reactions are not always quick. My dietary reactions come 20 hours after I have eaten. That alone took a LONG time to figure out!

I am a firm believer in exercise; it worked well for me before my body stopped allowing any exercise at all. I miss it terribly <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Microwave is banned in my house <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

you are wise to go very slow ,I made the mistake of trying to many things all at once and backfired on me a couple of times ,I now keep a daily log of every thing that I am taking ,alternative treatments , different foods to try and how my body react to them during the day ,this seems to work verywell for me .

Hi. Well, the diet and getting rid of my amalgams would be the most important. Giving up gluten and taking Mg really decreased in my neck and shoulder pain on the beginning.
Oil of oregano and floraster helped to kill some nasty parasites, bacteria, and yeast in my gut. The L-glutamine and custom probiotics helped to clean up my leaky gut and get rid of some food sensitivities.
I couldn't live without the algin when I was doing chelation (EDTA and DMSA).
It is really hard to pin point one thing. I can't really say yet what has helped most with the adrenal fatigue. Still in the middle of that drama!!

chigirl

The anti-candida diet was the most important thing i did. I have only been on it for 2 days, and yet it has already cut down significantly on the brain fog. It seems my liver has been overloaded with the toxins released by these nasty things, and couldnt detoxify properly the body, which has lead to a more heavy burden for kidneys. In all, I think that this anti-candida diet should be emphasized more strongly, as it is so easy to miss, but so important in the whole detoxification process.

Touche PGM, I couldn't agree more!!! It is crucial to an efficient and safe heavy metal detoxification program.

Sandi
xoxo

Diet of no sugar, wheat, dairy, soy and corn and junk by far has been my life savor.
And a close second, friends like Sandi <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

It seems (if I'm not mistaken), that once I have been on the diet for long enough, my body begins to attempt at excreting the other toxins. I tend to notice something like this about 10 days - 2 weeks after being on the diet (or longer). I may erupt in some kind of detox reaction. Either that or there is some kind of improvement.

If I do not go on this candida diet, I find my body continues to hold the toxins in, stores more toxins along the way, keeps yeast at much higher levels than necessary and I find my legs begin to get puffy. I actually look like I'm bloated with toxins.

I cannot say it's pleasant to be on the diet due to missing out on the taboo foods (which I love), nor is it necessarily pleasant when you start as your body may go through some kind of yeast die off or temporary feelings of tiredness, loss of motivation, headachey etc. But I find unless I go through this and stay on this diet, my body simply cannot heal or work on the other problems. I stay almost in a state of constant state of retention (almost suppressed) toxicity.

I remember onetime I went on the diet and first I started to get die off symptoms. I think they began about 5 days after starting the diet. Suddenly from having no sugar, yeast etc the yeast started to die. So I can die off symptoms to contend with which made me feel quite unwell and strange for about 3 weeks. I had some dizziness from the alcohols the yeast were releasing, headaches from the toxins being released etc. After 3 weeks the improvements were marked. I did not have quite the depression or the horrible terrors in the mind and other things lessened and energy returned. Problem was, once I had improved a bit from reducing yeast and ridding other toxins from the good, I was not prepared that my body would then begin to deal with the other toxins and I copped some real detox reactions.

So it really is about peeling the layers back to better health. Once your body goes through one stage, it goes to the next. It is always "trying" to reach a higher state of health.

Sorry for the lengthy post, but this is just what I seem to observe in myself. Not sure if it's the same for others.

Hi Bex:

Was on vacation a few days. Yes, I think I have some of this going on too - a bit of dizziness/imbalance thing going on. Yeast die-off? Maybe so, but although my diet is close to anti-candida, I still do not follow it exactly, which may be a problem? Does yours come and go, where you feel OK, then not, back and forth?

I wonder if I could really follow the diet 100% if it would work in a month or two. Some people say that you won't defeat it with diet alone. What about PH balancing supplements - would this help?

One other thing, what do you think of digestive enzymes? I will say that I believe these have helped me quite a bit, and my favorite is Nature's Sunshine. I did not really want to use them at first, but after trying them, seemed to find them beneficial.

HI tumbleweed, yep I have the same problem. Erratic symptoms that come and go and sometimes it is not always possible to figure out why. Mind you this happens with mercury as well.

I find that I have to stick to this diet pretty vigilantly or I decline. It doesn't seem to be a diet you can cheat on (not for me anyway) because I go back to square one. I also find that I have problems even with potatoes and rice! So that was a suprise, but I guess being high in carbs, they can still create issues with yeast.

It takes a long time for me to get back on track after cheating. It can take about 10 days to 2 weeks or more. It's never predictable though.

My main diet is eggs, meat and low carb veges (but I do eat some carrots sometimes and seem ok with them). I include almonds/brazil nuts as snacks and plain acidophilus yoghurt with flaxseed oil mixed in (which actually tastes really nice). and of course just herbal tea and my supplements.

If I stick with that and continue to stick with it for long enough I usually begin to notice benefits, but I so easily slip off the diet these days. It's a struggle sometimes. But unfortunately it will continue to be a struggle unless the underyling condition is treated/eradicated.

I still believe it's wise to control yeast though, even if it cannot be cured, because it can help a lot alongside doing something about the other condition. It's always a struggle to control yeast when you're really toxic.

I think anything you add to this might help as well. Digestive enzymes maybe beneficial if you find they aid you, as well as anything that helps balance PH levels. Though I think if the body gets what it needs for long enough, perhaps it will begin to some of this by itself.

But whatever helps? I'd use it.

Bex – Potatoes are in the Nightshade food family. So are Tomatoes and peppers and chillies and eggplants. And strangely so is Tobacco, either smoked or chewed! I know u get effected by tobacco and potatoes ….what about tomatoes? Peppers? Chillies? Eggplants? If u effected by potatoes and tobacco then u probably can’t handle the others either.
I know this because I can’t handle any nightshades whatsoever, and I get funked over by passive smoking too…..that was a very low point in my life, finding out it was impossible to be around people that smoke. Very low. Even if I wanted to, I could not go down the pub, (although rules changed now so I could if I wanted to, due smoking ban in uk now.)

Magnesium deficiency is supposed to be the reason, (or one of them, anyway)

Rice is heavily processed; 90pct of the good stuff is removed. I can’t handle white rice, but brown rice is fine for me, (although is does acidify me too much so I avoid that too now… <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />)

HI SS, strangely enough I dont seem to have problems with these members of the nightshade family. But when I had amalgams, I did (interesting eh?). The effects from them (tomatoes, cucumbers, onions etc) when I used to eat them were obvious and pretty fast, so I easily detected the issue and simply kept away from them, but had no problem with potatoes (then).

Now? I am ok with tomatoes and onions and cucumber, but not with potatoes because of the high carbs in potatoes that feed candida. I do not have an allergic reaction to the potatoe, but I can feel it feed the yeast. I will get up the next day after eating potatoes and feel the same weird cramping and gurgling in the gut from the yeast having had a good feed and of course my usual yeast symptoms are worse again.

I dont eat white rice, I only eat brown, but again that too feeds my yeast (tends to). Yet I used to be fine on it.

It is funny how the body chemistry can go through changes and things I once ate, I cannot eat and vice versa. Certain it's changed since amalgam removal. Yet I was healthier then at the sametime because I did not have the infections I have these days.

So one thing has been replaced by another and I am worse than I was. mercury is horrific, but infections become part of you they are not something you can just "excrete" with the right methods. Otherwise chelation would have cured me.

This is why the diet now is so crucial because of me having such a stuffed immunity from so many things at once.

You may find yourself once every bit of amalgams has gone with different things beginning to occur. Certain foods you will be ok again eating and others you may find are suddenly not ok. As you really detox the stored mercury, you may find these things all begin to fade. But you may also find that you still have to stick to a good diet for most of your life, because I think that having toxicity for so long definitely does something to you.

You can still get well, but you may always be a little more vulnerable (though some claim they can eat anything after they detoxed). For me? I always had to be a "little" careful, but I still cheated often and didn't take long at all to feel better. I'd start feeling back to ok a day later.

I think personally I did not chelate enough anyway, I was never frequent with it and took very long spaces inbetween, so I'd say I still had some stored mercury anyway, but I felt fine and I didn't mind at that stage. I had obviously gotten enough out of me to start feeling ok again.

Yes I am the same around smoking. If I am feeling stronger and healthier, I can tolerate it much more. But if I'm not, I will react to just one person smoking around me and I will feel very ill after it. Smoking myself is a disaster, even one can wipe me out. I dont go near them now. Used to get away with the odd smoking bout sometimes and enjoyed it every now and again. But I'm too fragile/sensitive these days to do anything like that. It's a bit embarrassing at times becuase people offer me things and I have ot keep saying "no thanks, I can't". This is over anything (milk in tea)....anything with sugar, an alcoholic beverage, a smoke, I'm constatntly saying no thanks.

What has helped me the most is omega 3 with 2000mg epa every day, coupled with exercise (a lot of cardio, weightlifting doesn't really help me)
I used to stay in bed like 1 hour every day weighing the pros and cons of getting up, but now it is not a problem
I still have symptoms but my depression is gone
Omega 3 with high epa helps mood too

Hi Bex, reading this post and the other post “anyone ever get sick?” is funkin’ horrific. What a total bloody ‘mare. It’s just not fair.

I had my second quadrant of amalgams out this week, so I have had another bloody rollercoaster ride again. Not as bad as the first quadrant, but still screwed me over again. Unfortunately I was very busy at work and I had a glorious shouting match with someone, I was enraged over a minor issue!
Encouragingly the up parts of the rollercoaster ride have been pretty good. Yesterday I had a 2 hour period where I felt positively excellent, best I have felt for a good couple of years.

It really is a bloody battle, I can’t wait to get the rest of this sh$t out of me <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

I agree with Bex that things usually change completely when you have ALL of your amalgams removed. I had only ONE, but still got poisoned with mercury, copper and whatever, and im still battling candida now after 9 months of the removal. Before the removal I could eat garlic in large amounts, but now I get nearly bed-ridden for 24h after just one clove of raw garlic (sweating, diarrhoea, burning sensation under skin). Also my fingers got immediately swollen (and they are still) some 3 days after the removal, when all mercury was gone from bloodstream, and the body was able to fight the candida with top perfomance. Before that, the body would just let the candida spread around. Swollen fingers indicate probably that your body is actively fighting the candida.

When your immune system is disabled by e.g. mercury it's likely not to respond to anything, I know persons who have lost it completely, their body doesnt react to anything, although they are seriously ill (CFS, fibromyalgia). In that way I consider the violent reactions of your body to ridiculous things such as vitamins and garlic a good sign that your body is at least able to detox. The problem is just that your burden is great, and your liver & kidneys are not in best shape after several months of this pain.

HI SS, yes it is digusting and unnecessary that anybody should have to go through all this because of dentistry deciding to use mercury. It would be wonderful it amalgam removal alone was the cure (in some cases it can be), but most of us then have to struggle with detoxing the storage. Removal of amalgam is only the first step of shutting off the tap.

People put up with quite an amazing amount without complaining, but mercury is a real torment. Even andy cutler said it can cause tremendous suffering. I could never have imagined it was possible unless I went through it myself.

That is great that you are another step foward with amalgam removal. How many to go now? No surprise with the blow up at work, with my mood swings and volatile nature either I am passive and do nothing at all, or I can swing to the other extreme. Very hard to find any control and the smallest criticism to a mercury toxic person can set off a large reaction inside of them. one of the symptoms fo mercury can be overreaction to criticism or perceiving that you've been insulted when you may not have (or your reactions will be exaggerated to something quite minor). It's typical.

That was very sweet of you to say Laurie, thank you and the feeling is very mutual.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Sandi
xoxo

Definately giving up wheat is the most important thing for me. If I have it for more than a few days I can feel my spinal cord becoming inflamed or more inflamed and I feel terrible.

I also think that finding peace spiritually is important and being out of toxic relationships.

Hope to find out about the amalgam removal though. I am going to concentrate on my thyroid and improve my health then sort out the amalgams.

Hey mati:

Anybody else get symptoms from wheat? What were they? I gave up on wheat long ago, but I still don't even know if that was a problem for me. Is wheat supposed to be bad for everyone, or just those who react to it? Ironically, it is supposed to be healthier than white bread, but not if it makes you sick. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> Probably best to avoid breads all together, but my instinct seems to be telling me it's not so bad to have a bit here or there - especially if toasted, which I think I read kills off yeast some. I find it hard to give up on foods I have eaten for years just because of mercury.

I still got a loaf or two of wheat bread in the freezer I want to use up or throw out. What do you think?

TW

TW

I have heard that it is no good for anyone but I must say that now and again i do have it as a treat when i cannot resist. I don't get an immediate reaction so the temptation is to have more for a couple of days.

Hi, I have had problems with wheat probably my whole life, but it became really apparent when I was poisoned by mercury. When I got off that and sugar, the improvements became dramatic. Suddenly I started absorbing nutrients again and my health improved out of sight.

When I would cheat and eat wheat, the results were almost instant. I would go cold, nails turned bluish, and feel poisoned again.

I do not know if it was the gluten in wheat (which can act as a glue and do a lot of damage in the gut and then cause malnutrition), or the wheat itself because apparently wheat is treated wtih fungicide which I hear contains mercury, or the combination of it all.

It is best to steer clear of it, wheat these days is not what it was in ancient times! Things have been messed up, including our bodies.

The only way to find out, is to do a complete exclusion of it, and possibly other gluten containing foods like rye, barley, oats, and stick to non gluten grain and see if there are improvements. It takes time for it to come out of the system and the gut to begin healing.

I had to exclude sugar also.

Hi Bex!

Yeah, I agree. I may not ever eat that bread I have, but I think I am far enough past removal where a slice or two won't damage me too much.

But CORN worries me now! I stopped eating it months ago.

I read a few posts about people with internal bleeding from eating corn? Man, I love corn on the cob. Do you agree that all corn is not good to eat now? Has anyone had big problems eating corn out there?
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TW

Hi TW, oddly enough corn is ok for me. THough people talk about mycotoxins, I've not really had issues with it. I've had problems with most other grains though, even rice. I stay away from cornflakes because on the packet it contains sugar and malt.

Corn on the cob is probably ok, but the only possible problem it might be a little bit sweet and may feed or flare up candida. It depends on how bad you have candida as to how many carbs you can tolerate without a flare of symptoms or even a relapse.

Like for me, I can have some puffed corn cereal from a healthfood shop, but I have to watch corn on the cob. I stay away if I can from the Old world grass grains, that apparently go beyond just gluten, there are other problems. And eliminating them can reduce levels of candida.

Potatoes are a problem, I stay away from them. If I start eating potatoe chips, i can't stop and then I relapse and have to start the diet again.

But then again, potatoe chips contain flavouring, which contains the sugars and yeasts and other problems. So it's not just the potatoe I guess.

When you talk about the flare up of candida problems, are you talking about stomach or all the other problems too....muscle fatigue,brain fog etc... I am asking because I have been having some stomach problems the last few days. My muscles and brain fog are a little better. Confusing because this last month my stomach was so much better and really felt like I was on the road to recovery with that. I had h-pylori 7 months ago and have really struggled with getting it to heal. Sometimes I think the reason it starts bothering me is because I've ran across another food I am allergic too. Can that happen a food you have been eating for 3 or 4 months and doing ok with cause an allergic reaction out of the blue. I was taking garlic and eating it too and now all of a sudden I can't eat it anymore.
What's helped me the most is the candida diet,the 2 parasite cleanses and the oil pulling so far. I just started the castor oil packs and the dry brushing so we will see if that will help too!!!
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Rachel

Hi Rachel, For me the flare up is any symptom at all, not just gut, but itching/thrush, feeling worse all over. This can happen when candida is dying off as well, so sometimes the symptoms are healing symptoms.

But things that can cause flare ups, are not always sugar, but things that tend to aggravate the condition like eating yeast/cheese and drinking coffee, having vinegar or something like that.

I know that yeast can cause allergies, as can mercury and I find for me at least it's not so much allergy foods, but foods that feed candida that are the problem.

Also, there are healing symptoms that mimic allergic reactions! So sometimes eating healthy foods can cause so-called allergic reactions, when they might be part of healing and die off. Itching can be part of that as well.

I am careful with getting into the allergy thing too much, I just avoid stuff that messes up my gut and feeds yeast, if I thought further about each food, I'd go nuts because I already have a limited diet. I'm pretty sure the foods I have are "ok" (cross fingers).

Well had all my amalgams removed about one year ago. Can't say that the removal has made a significant difference. I must say however, that DIET does make a huge difference as so many others here have suggested.

If you really want to find the money to remove your amalgams, it is possible. It is easy to take some supplements everyday. Diet however is a completely different ball game for me. I love tinkering about in the kitchen and creating extravagant meals. No birthday cake at work, no coffee with the girls, no bread for starters at the restaurant, no this no that ... AAAAggghhh. I am trying, I really am.

I know that this is a poll about what action has helped you the most but what I must add is 'what action is the scrapings from the S bends of hell'. It's name is COFFEE. The taste and the smell lures me everytime. As a child and teenager it had absolutely no perceivable affect upon me. But now, oh...how it affects me. It turns me into a blithering mess who is incapable of normal speech and rational thinking. It is such a nasty cycle for me. I will go for a week without coffee and feel so sluggish (and one day with a mega headache) yet without anxiety then I will lose my willpower and go back on it for a week and feel really high yet very anxious. Why on earth would I be so addicted to something that is so rotten for me?

Being hypothyroid and adrenal insufficient, I guess I am subconsciously always lusting after stimulants.

Right then, tomorrow I will try again! Hmmm wonder how long I will last ?!

Take care and cheers from a caffeine addict!!

Rachie

Hi Rachie:

I know what you mean about the diet. I succeed in eating a lot of good things, but I fail miserably in that I eat a lot that I should not. Personally, I think the way to beat it is get the mercury out period. And do the best you can on diet, and try to balance out the digestive system with probiotics.

Coffee? No kidding. I loved coffee. I drank the stuff all day long with no problems for years. But hearing you and others say this is more proof of mercury toxicity, because one should be able to drink the stuff without going haywire. I would have a cup or even 1/2 a cup, and just feel wired like I was losing it before amalgam removal.

Yes, diet is hard for me too. Coffee was easy once I got past a few weeks without it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sweats.gif" alt="" />

TW

Diet is hard for me too!!! There are days I do really well and other days not so good. It's the cravings that kick me in the rear.
I agree with you. I have read so much on mercury and yeast etc. I feel if you chelate the mercury and do as good as you can on the diet all else will eventually heal as well. I really hope so anyways. I don't stray much from the diet or my stomach let's me know about it.
I really like the coffee too guys but can't tolerate alot of it either. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/unsure.gif" alt="" />

Hey skieslimit:

I agree. It is ironic that coffee was brought up, because that was one of the biggest couple items of diet that I really had to eliminate. Coffee (caffeine), sugar, and processed foods are a big no no - at least for when you feel bad.

As I have gotten better, I will now occasionally test myself by ingesting a small amount of sugar - maybe a pop once in a great while just to see how I am doing. And I am better! It does not affect me and it shouldn't. I refuse to feel guilty about having a tiny bit of this or that here and there, when i read about the average american and the pounds of sugar he or she eats every year! I forgot the actual figure, but I will say that I maybe eat 5 to 10% of that a year now.

TW

Hey TW
I know what you mean about the sugar. Everywhere I go if I am offered something to drink it is usually a coke, if it is eats offered, it's always junk food. So to me what I do rarely ingest is only a crumb compared to the rest of the world. How messed up is that. What is funny if you refuse the coke and the junk food and go for the water they all think your crazy. LOL When I went to the doctor I told the nurse I did not consume sugar and she thought I had lost it of course. I wanted to tell her you should try it and you might not need 2 stools to set your big old butt on. Ha Ha!!!! I really am nice ....but I am so tired of getting that glazed over, time to put you in the loony bin LOOK!!! You know what I mean? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/reallymad.gif" alt="" />

Yes, the glazed over look I am familiar with. I don't think it is escapable entirely. However, on a bright note, I have noticed that more people I speak to now are quite aware of silver fillings and the controversy. The word is really getting out, and I think we may be getting close to it going mainstream!
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I pray it goes mainstream, at least all of my friends would not think I'm crazy. LOL Something might actually be done to help all of us. If nothing else maybe some doctors would educate themselves enough to what tests to perform to help us. That would be nice. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/pacing.gif" alt="" />

i cant answer this really, i have so many ups and downs, though im cleansing everyday, one way or another. my main symptoms were depression, anxiety,mood swings and proper thyroid meds have helped with that so much, although when mercury kicks in, i still feel like someone has a gun to my head.
i did a couple of liver flushes which were totally amazing, this was before amalgam removal,it felt like someone had switched my lights back on.
Dawn

Hey skieslimit: I agree! There has GOT to be a better way of testing for mecury poisoning. A test that, without doubt, clearly says "Yes, you are mercury poisoned". 10 years from now maybe even regular MDs will know how to successfully treat it. We are just guinea pigs - those of us going through this now.

Hi Dawn: Liver flushes, what formula did you use? I find this intriguing. Want to eventually do this, but want to be safe about it.

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TW

hi tw, this is what i did
stop eating at 2pm.
6pm drink 2 tbs epsom salt in a glass of water.
8pm drink 2 tbs epsom salt in a glass of water
you will have severe diaoreah(sorry about the spelling)
9.45.drink half a glass of olive oil, then the same amount of squeezed lemon juice, go straight to bed, dont get up, let it work.
in the morning take another dose of epsom salt in water, 2 hrs later, take another.
i got loads of stones out, i couldnt believe it.
its safer to do this with no amalgams and after doing a parasite cleanse, i did it anyway with good results.
Dawn.

Thanks for posting this Dawn!
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I am very curious to try this. When time is right, maybe I will give it a go.

TW

Funny you mention the Nighshade family Bex, because potatoes are one of them. All my life if peeling potatoes, carrots or parsnips, my hands immediately begin to itch and I get a rash on them. Tracy. xxxx

Funny about the nightshades. I quit eating them 6 years ago for awhile and stomach got better muscle pain got better. Then I let it slip back in and did ok for awhile but would never eat potatoes, they killed me. When I got h-pylori we figured out I was allergic to peppers and thought that it was the hot stuff that was hurting me. I recently found out tomatoes were another problem. What's weird is I can eat potatoes now no problem. I think it is because I needed potassium and potatoes are high in potassium. When I went through the removal my blood pressure was 186/104 and potassium will lower the blood pressure. Over the last 6 months my blood pressure has come down to about 140/90. Big improvement, I am watching the potatoes though you never know when it could take a turn. My stomach is not completely healed yet so the allergy to potatoes could return. Anyways just thought I would mention it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/kookoo.gif" alt="" />

HI Tracy, I think for me it's not the deadly nightshade part of it, it's the high carbs because anything like that just feeds my candida. I can handle deadly nightshades (I think), because I can eat tomatoes, peppers, onions etc with no apparent problems.

But have definitely heard of people having issues with deadly nightshade plants!

Fresh organic food and plenty of supplements.
Especially VITAMIN C
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For my mind: reading and prayer - this enabled me to not lose hope while I have been going through the ups and downs of getting well. Not spending too much time on forums. These are helpful and I am grateful, however, I found it I spent too much time on here or anywhere else, it became all consuming and fear and anxiety would try to grip me because of all the information.

For my body: getting rid of amalgams, finding a good MD&ND to help me understand what supplements to take and help me through chelation. Hulda Clark's liver/gallbladder flush. Doing research on the web on sites like this and others, helping me understand the whole picture, makes the conversations with MD&ND a partnership instead of me relying on their expertise.

I tried many herbal supplements recommended in this forum, such as olive leaf extract, grapefruit seed extract, etc

The only thing that helped me was getting a prescription for a systemic anti fungal, not the gut anti fungals.

Within two weeks my symptoms started disappearing and its been almost two months and they are almost gone

This needs to be investigated further. There is definitely a need for a systemic antifungal that isn't hard on the adrenals. What kind of anti-fungal did you use? I found that alpha lipoic acid bites on systemic candida, but it is hard on adrenals, like most other stuff.
Seems like your method speeds recovery up by a factor of about 5, compared to conventional treatments.

First I tried Nystatin, which is a gut antifungal. Some short term symptoms were cured but it was obvious the long term symptoms were not going to be cured with it. My hair's frizzyness, dryness disappeared, and my skin improved a lot.

I was then put on systemic anti fungal diflucan, which did eliminate all my symptoms like fatigue, nose congestion, anxiety, depression, mental fog, memory loss, OCDish thoughts.

You need a prescription in the US for those, but I had a friend bring them from venezuela where prescription is not required and much cheaper. Diflucan seems to be insanely expensive in the states

That's great it's worked out for you. Unfortunately I have heard about liver damage with systemtic antifungals such as diflucan and on one candida forum I belong to, it is advised against because of long term effects that can occur afterwards.

They stick with natural antifungals and nystatin if people want to take that route, but the main thing was diet. Systemic antifungals maybe required in serious cases of stubborn yeast where the diet and other antifungals are not enough...but it would depend on what diet the person was put on, how long for and what other methods were used.

Thanks, kriminal, that's what I wanted to hear. Here we see that those symptoms are not caused by mercury as nobody can claim that a systemic antifungal chelates mercury. Oh god, I really hate those symptoms (I also had them all, it's better now) waking up with a stuffy nose, depression, brain fog, anxiety and being tired.
I think I wont try systemic antifungals, perhaps would have been a good idea earlier on. I think that systemic anti-fungals shouldn't be used for a very long time, it is also advised to stop using a particular anti-fungal after three months of use, and switch to another one, or the candida gets resistant to it.
But these candida thingies are damn persistant, I'm soon one year after removal, and they are not still all gone! I must have gotten a pretty serious systemic candida.

Pgm, just to respond to your post. Because kriminal has had relief from antifungal methods, does not mean mercury (or something else) has had no part to play in him (or anybody else) getting candida in the first place. When I had amalgams and was seriously poisoned by mercury, candida diets helped me dramatically but did not cure me. It was easy to label my condition as simpy "candida" because I had improvements from treating it, yet it was never a cure because the improvements only went so far and anytime I stopped treating candida, the condition returned. That is not a cure.

Candida only occurs because the immune system is busy battling something else and cannot keep yeast in check. Treating it will nearly always result in improvements because of the relief it provides in lowering yeast levels and the body is better able to cope. Candida is only a symptom of a much bigger problem going on. Otherwise nobody on here would need to take dramatic measures to fight against it and be forced to do this on an ongoing basis.

Candida is an opportunistic, it does not happen in isolation. I've learned that painful lesson after focussing on it and nothing else. Amalgam toxicity is a major cause of yeast overgrowth, as are many other dental toxicities like infections. Including viruses like I have now, which is why my yeast issues are worse than they ever were.

I don't believe it is the antifungals that are hard on the adrenals, it is the mercury that is released from within the yeast cells as they die off. Yeast is produced by our body to protect us from the ravages of heavy metals and then it eventually gets to an overgrowth stage if left unchecked.

Kill it slowly and be sure to do the diet, if elimination is good and free of yeast and debris, the toxic metal escapes quickly and doesn't get a chance to recirculate.

I wish I had known this when I first tackled the candida, under the yeast is almost always a heavy metal burden, I killed it off way too fast, my poor old body really took a beating.

HTGH....

best love,
Sandi
xoxo

I agree Sandi, but there are "some" antifungals *systemic* that can damage the liver long term (I dont know about adrenals). Diflucan is definitely one to be careful of, as is Nilstat.

Like what you mentioned, I had the tremendous release of mercury when I killed off my yeast with antifungals, even though the antifungal was "natural", that was very hard on me and nothing helped until I chelated the metals out. My problems with candida are not so much metal related these days, but viral.

I think it depends if someone's problem with candida is from metals, or something else like what i have and which problem has taken over more. I'd treat both personally, and look for any other possible causes as well. Candida maybe creating the majority of the symptoms, but what is the underlying cause..?

Bex, I haven't claimed anywhere that mercury wouldn't be the root cause to candida (or something else). There is always a root cause that you must find. Diseases such as AIDS and diabetes are examples of other causes of candida (because they also disable your immunity). However, once you remove your fillings, mercury may no longer be the issue. Everyone has some mercury in them, regardless of whether they can be labelled mercury poisoned or not. This is part of the reason why DMSA/DMPS challenges are not widely accepted as proof of chronic mercury poisoning, because even "healthy" individuals can excrete lots of mercury.

If your excretion of mercury is normal, you may end up with little mercury in your body, but a collection of pathogens instead after removing your fillings. The important thing here is that your immune system was compromised by the chronic mercury exposure, but it didn't accumulate significantly anywhere. Mercury in bloodstream, even if it leaves your system is the real issue here.

We really don't know yet whether chelating mercury is the thing that actually helps, because many of the chelators used targets also directly pathogens, or affects the way the immune system works against them. In my opinion this is still an open question.

Pgm, sorry if I misunderstood you, I see we're on a similar wave length as far as addressing the underlying problem, though treating candida is obviously essential for many people. Some it may not be all that effective...

For me, candida and the symptoms it produced were bad, but after amalgam removal, I do not believe my symptoms were related to pathogens. It was clearly metal related. I was salivating and shaking almost daily, tasting metal, crying uncontrollably and the only thing that aided and sped up this process was chelation rather than pathogen/candida treatment. Over time I excreted much more of the stored metals from various methods of chelation and sometimes the chelation served to control the symptoms also by grabbing hold of the mercury and allowing for some relief. Treating my candida during that time unfortunately did not help much, I was in full dumping mode and simply had to ride it out. The symptoms from metal toxicity can be blatantly obvious.

Can you explain what you mean by removing amalgams and the symptoms being from pathogens? What is the connection there? Do you feel that removing all amaglams somehow changes the body's reactions towards pathogens and this is die off process, rather than much else?

Removing amalgams often results in either remission of symptoms, or a worsening of symptoms often due to exposure during removal and/or the body begins to dump the mercury because it's no longer in "storage mode". I don't see the connection as such to pathogens, because only chelation was able to improve my obvious metal toxicity problems and enabled me to finally heal from this condition and this is usually the case with most metal toxic people. Andrew Cutler has studied this for years, was poisoned himself, is a biochemist, and is well aware of the "second phase of suffering" for mercury toxic people, once all amalgams are out. This is a very real phenomenon and occurs often. It can happen early on or much later. At some stage, when the body no longer has amalgams it attempts to dump the years of storage. This process is real, painful and chelation is the only way to speed up and aid this process for many people (me included). Unfortunately my attempts at treating candida at that time did little to help. Andrew does advise treating yeast, as it can sometimes help with symptoms, but admits that the only cure is chelation and that has proven true for many. Waiting it out is agonising slow and is not a sure thing. I had to chelate in order to get well, doing nothing was a never ending nightmare. In the end my main chelator was simply DMSA, which if anything flares up yeast, yet I still managed to reduce my mercury load and improve. I found that using vitamin E, selenium and vitamin C was helpful to increase glutathione, which encouraged some natural release of toxins including metals and sometimes helped me feel better too. But it was not the cure. I had to get into the tough chelators to get there. Not everybody needs to do that, some people do really well on natural products that simply aid their body to better do the job. Lucky them, that is what I would wish for anybody.

You say "once you remove your amalgams, mercury may no longer be the issue", yet removing amalgams is only the beginning....otherwise we'd not have been ill from having them. It's not about reaction just from just having them in the mouth, unless a person has an allergy to metal. The ADA take this stance as a way to have people believe that mercury from amalgam does not really escape enough to build up in tissues and organs. They try and tell people that any reaction from amalgam is a direct "allergy". But in actual fact, those that are chronically sick from them know better. it is all about the long term poisoning from the build up of mercury. The inability or lack of ability to excrete the mercury we're being subjected to daily. Those that finally get sick, seem to be the ones that retain the toxins, rather than eliminate. So removing amalgams is only the start, the rest can take a long time and for me it took years. Chelation definitely sped up this process and increased the symptoms from pushing more of the metals out of me. Pathogens are always involved, but metal detox is pretty clear cut when someone is undergoing it. Acute toxicity from a huge dose at onetime is much easier to diagnose, it is accepted and treated. But the chronic mercury poisoning is often denied.

Yes, everybody has mercury in them, but for some people they do not tolerate even small amounts of it and may also tend to retain it. This is evident in those that get ill simply from walking into a dental office (like me and for months afterwards). Yet some people can work around mercury and seem "ok". It's an individual thing, but mercury is a potent neurotoxin and should NEVER be used in a human body, no matter what the person's tolerance level is and we see the results on this forum and elsewhere. You only have to read the letters to the ADA from those who have suffered long and hard from this poison in their mouth and gone through hell. The hell of the poisoning at the time and the hell of the aftermarth and trying to eliminate it after amalgams are gone.

Sorry for the lengthy post.

Hi Bex, here's the idea: once you remove your amalgams you get your immunity back. Then your body starts fighting the pathogens like candida. If you don't remove your amalgams, your body will be in a helpless state doing nothing. This is what happened to me anyways. It would be incredible if my symptoms were from mercury, I just had one filling and its been gone for soon a year now.

Yet I still keep salivating, and having all the post-removal symptoms, but of course it was more intense in the beginning. As everyone knows vitamin C doesn't chelate any mercury, but my salivation increased always dramatically when I took C vit, and it still does. So, there is no way I can attribute this to mercury. Since the salivation comes from C vit alone, excess salivation may have nothing to do with mercury, it's just die-off from candida. It may even taste metallic, but the main component I noticed is its sour taste, probably some acid coming from immune system activity.

I can also tell that ALA helped me tremendously.. but it could be equally well because of its ability to kill candida, like every other anti-oxidant. Many of the chelators helps with candida too, even if you think that mercury is the target. DMSA should, however, cause a candida flareup (or just a temporary relief), because it suppresses immune system activity.

What takes time is to get rid of your pathogens after your removal of amalgams. It's definitely not easy, especially if you have other trouble that still weakens the immune system (amalgams are not the only ones causing trouble with immune system).

Essentially I don't suggest any changes in the treatments here, but just want to make it clear that mercury may be confused for pathogens in many cases (mercury was still the root cause for them).

Vitamin C actually does chelate a little bit. According to my doctor, according to other stuff I've read. not a major chelator but it does a little bit.

I wasn't aware that DMSA could cause immune system suppression, thanks for pointing that out. Where did you read that?

I really like the black walnut hull for pathogens... of all sorts I think, plus I have been using just a bit of golden seal root extract, maybe every few days only. I added a good few points toward better health since using the black walnut, golden seal, and doing the liver cleanses.

I agree that mercury/heavy metals (and other environmental toxins) causes things like parasites/pathogens to flourish and once the pathogens are directly addressed a lot of the so-called 'mercury' symptoms disappear.

Hi Pgm, I understand that concept, but I had experienced and have experienced candida die off and my symptoms following removal were completely different and totally metal related.

The vitamin C can indeed encourage some mercury elimination. I remember I was so ill after removal, that a doctor who deals in mercury sent me vitamin C powder (good quality stuff) and some selenium. The reaction I got at that stage from both those products was an increase in detox symptoms and I would cry and salivate and had to either stop or lessen the dose. This enabled some more metals to come out, and often onto the skin in the form of a mercury rash. I told hte doctor about this and he agreed and said though they may not directly chelate mercury, they increase glutathione levels, which enables the body to push more toxins and metals out.

Again the symptoms were completely different from die off and very much the metal toxic stuff. So I do believe that vitamin C, selenium and vitamin E, all have elements to that them can encourage some elimination as well as protection, though not direct chelators.

I understand your comments regarding pathogen die off and mercury, but people are usually very well aquainted with their bodies and symptoms and after time and I was definitely able to tell when it was metal, yeast die off or both.

I have never heard of ALA being an agent causing candida die off, so that confuses me. Though I know it increases glutathione, glutathione helps with elimination of toxins but is not an antifungal and does not directly kill yeast. The body maybe aided to handle yeast better perhaps, but ALA is a very powerful metal chelator and goes beyond even that of DMSA. Any symptoms, would be much more likely metal and if a person takes ALA and doesn't get any symptoms? They maybe lucky and not have a metal toxicity problem.

Amalgams are definitely not the only problems causing candida, but at least they are visible and can be removed, taking one load off. But a long term build up of mercury from them over time is the danger.

AFter my amalgams were removed, I got immediately worse from exposure, and possible some detox, but then took some DMSA (but did not keep taking it due to expense). I went into a kind of "remission" of symptoms and was not prepared for the dumping of mercury from organs, which hit me over a year following amalgam removal. It was a shock and a nightmare to go through and I cannot tell yo how often I hung my head over a bowl for the saliva to come out. This was not yeast related, anybody who is aquainted with mercury understand the salivation component.

I remember the doctor working in this said that salivation is actually one of the strongest indicators of mercury and it was at least one way my body was attempting to rid itself of the metal. Unpleasant, but necessary I guess. My body had problems doing it any other way.

I disagree. There are many people who take chelators randomly and get much worse.(including myself)
If they start to take them the right way and avoid redistribution they improve.

The chelators seem to effect pathogens indirectly through increased heavy metal excretion which strengthens the immune system.

Many poisoned people also have a deranged mineral transport showing up in the hair. It's quite obvious that this is caused by mercury and healthy people with amalgams don't have this.

Bex, you would really appreciate the black walnut hull tincture. I like to use goldenseal root extract with it. I don't mix them, just use them on the same day.

look them up and get an idea of what each does, the walnut especially, what a blessing. I have not noticed any bad side effects whatsoever, i have my daughter on it, she's fine with it, I have resorted to putting it on the back of the cats tongue with an eyedropper, and they are getting quite a bit if you consider bodyweight... no side effects, same temperment, everything. Except they are less hungry, a good sign. I am sure the cats need deworming.

My eyeballs are so white, i had to take a really good look at them today, I mean, the whites of my eyes are actually white. i haven't seen them look so white and clean in years. I can see maybe one teeny tiny red capillary in each eye. No pinkness whatsover. I had a small patch of excema or something developing on an elbow, a rough patch and that simply went away sometime over the past couple weeks. that was stubborn, it had been there for several months now, not bad but wasn't going away completely, it is completely gone now, soft smooth elbow.

The walnut hull really cleans up, parasites, fungus, all sorts of stuff. I made my own but you should be able to find some for a good price. The golden seal is not expensive either. i got that for about $7.00. It's an antiseptic/antbacterial. A good thing to keep in the house on a general basis. I've read you can use the walnut hull topically, but I didn't do that, am taking it in water but it still took care of the elbow. I am sure it was that. I have been using a pretty strong dose every few days for several weeks.

BG123 and Bex, thanks for your comments.

Regarding the vit C, I'm just parroting what Andrew Cutler has said:
http://onibasu.com/archives/am/2897.html
"Ascorbic acid does not work for mercury chelation. It does not remove any mercury. It does however make people who have mercury problems feel better"
http://onibasu.com/archives/am/2771.html
"Certain incompetent physicians who neither know any chemistry nor are capable of reading the lab test results that come back from their patients continue to maintain the superstition that vitamin C (ascorbic acid, ascorbate) increases the detoxification rate of mercury."

As to the mineral derangement, candida can in itself also cause that: http://www.arltma.com/CandidaDoc.htm

"Bio-unavailable copper is indicated on a tissue mineral test by a copper level above 3.0 mg/% or below 1.0 mgs/%. Other mineral indicators of a candida overgrowth are an elevated calcium level, elevated calcium/magnesium ratio, (greater than 10/1) or a low sodium/potassium ratio (less than 2.3/1)."

Excess salivation can also be linked to candida alone, just look around on candida pages, and in addition you can have candida debris coming out from eyes (didn't have this myself).

Hi Pgm, my previous post I mentioned that I did not believe that vitamin C chelated mercury, so I'm not disagreeing with Cutler. Im aware of his stance on vitamin C in this regard. My response/reactions to vitamin C was likely from an increase in glutathione, which possibly indirectly encouraged "some" toxin and/or metal release. This may have occured because of a previous DMPS challenge test which moved so much mercury everywhere and into accessible areas, that it didn't take much to encourage further release from my system. Vitamin C, selenium etc, simply upped the glutathione and encouarged that process further. Had the metals been more tightly stored, (before the DMPS shot), I doubt very much this would have occured. Even Cutler admits that the body will on its own, attempt to excrete some of the mercury, but it is very slow. But no, vitamin C etc are not cures/chelators of this conditon and I have never stated they are!

my metal toxic symptoms were evident, even by those around me. Grey discolouration of the face, metal taste, metal smell, salivation, tremors. Nothing will convince me this was "yeast". I already dealt with candida many times and mercury was always heavily involved in my symptoms.

You have quoted Cutler here, so I gather you also know about his mention of the second phase of suffering? This Can occur months or even later after last amalgam removal and a great increase in symptoms (much like repoisoning), dumping the storage. I have experienced it, as have many others. When you are releasing metals, it is something that is undeniable to the person undergoing this. I even had grey discolouration of the genital area (mercury tattoos). Which eventually faded from chelation. Sorry to be so graphic, but I'm trying to explain my experience with mercury and it's a no brainer for me with what I went through.

I am sure candida can cause mineral derangement, but so can mercury and as we know, candida is simply an opportunist and a symptom of a much bigger problem at work.

Never seen excessive salivation in regards to candida in all the loads of info I have read on it, not just in books, but online for years. Yet you look at mercury and there it is, one of the classic symptoms of it, which makes sense as the response to poisoning of this kind can cause tremor and salivation. Many different kinds of poisoning can cause the same. I had every classic mercury poisoning symptom. Chelation, not yeast treatment is what cured me in the end from this affliction (or near cured me I should say).

Thanks for the info, and I do realise that the symptoms of candida and mercury can indeed cross over, but if someone has treated their yeast, removed amalgams and not found the improvement until the metals are removed, this is very indicative of mercury or other metal toxicity.

PS, many symptoms are attributed to yeast because mercury is often not even recognised or even considered by most in the medical or even "natural" profession. So symptoms of salivation, tremor etc, that are classic poisoning might be added to the "candida profile list" simply because the other symptoms might be yeast related. So it is hardly surprising that symptoms of mercury may well be attributed / added to the candida symptom list, not realising they are classic metal toxicity symptoms and possibly the underlying reason for the entire illness. Yeast is a bugger, but I hardly attribute every symptom to it, and certainly NOT classic metal symptoms. Or you might as well say that mercury really doesn't cause symptoms at all...

Bex.
Yes, I tend to believe that mercury in itself doesn't cause much of the painful symptoms, except that it messes up body chemistry, and lets candida and other pathogens mess you up further, and these make it a long lasting experience. But this is only my opinion.

My own experience doesn't support the idea that mercury would directly cause anything -after amalgam removal-, but I guess this is different if you have loads of fillings - I had only one. However, I have also been ill, lots of adrenal fatigue, blurred vision and all classic mercury-related symptoms.

Regarding the use of antifungals or mercury chelators: we have seen both cases: some people here have only found relief in using anti-fungals instead of mercury chelators. And the opposite. Which is which? Also, do some of the chelators have a dual effect in addressing both mercury and candida like I believe?

Has anyone here used the 3M Lava Crown material with success?
I had all of my amalgam fillings removed and replaced with Diamond Lite material. Now it is time to replace my crowns and get rid of the amalgam material underneath. I evalutated 3 different crown materials from 3 different dentists. One is the 3M Lava mentioned above, the other is Ivoclar Vivadent ProCAD Blocks used with the Dentist's Cerec equipment in his office, and the third is Procera crown material by Nobel Biocare.. The dentist who uses the Lava also sent me the MSDS sheets on the buildup to be used underneath, two products made by Ivoclar Vivadent: IPS Empress Esthetic Ingots and IPS e.max Press/Zirpress. He is not going to use any metal-based materials at all in the new crowns, either in the crown itself or the buildup. But I do realize that there are metals in all of the composite materials, and no material will probably be perfect. But almost anything will be an improvement to having amalgams with mercury in my mouth.
Just wondering if anyone has had any good or bad experience with the 3M Lava Frame crowns?
ky77

I heard in people with CFS and Bipolar Disorder there is often a specific immune system reaction when exposed to mercury. They body starts to produce antibodies as defense and the immune system tends to overreact when it comes in contact with mercury. In those people it's not so much the poisoning itself it the immune system out of control.

I think we are affected in many different ways by mercury.

When I chelate with DMSA i notice a significant reduction of certain symptoms. After chelating with ALA for a while i noticed some mental symptoms would improve while others would get worse.

I believe the body/immune system/mercury allergy can cause many mental symptoms.

My experience after chelating for a while:

Symtoms caused by mercury in the bloodstream, exposure, immune system? getting better while on DMSA:

Sense of wellbeing, mood swings, being irritable, energy level, motivation to do things, feeling relaxed, depression, weakness,

Symptoms caused by brain:

Feeling disconnected, being narrowminded, paranoid thoughts, changed social perception, absent mindedness, compulsive tendencies, black and white thinking, dellusions, emotional volatility

Hi pgm, for my own experience, yeast being treated was a big help but not the cure as I've said. After amalgam removal, my yeast treatments did not produce the results they once did. responding to chelators can hardly be attributed to yeast when they focus directly on metals. IN removing metals, the body may assert itself more against yeast. But they are not antifungals. I'd love to get andrew cutler on here about that. I have never yet heard of chelating agents being antifungal, directly or otherwise. If from their action someone improves their yeast condition, this is often from further removal of metals.

The chelating agents I used were not antifungals and my results from using them eventually became long term, even after I had stopped. If they were simply antifungals and did not remove metals, they would have done much the same as my previous efforts at treating yeast - only producing a certain response but after stopping, my condition would return. Chelation produced long term improvements because it addressed the real issue (metal).

Your experience maybe related more to yeast for some other reason. For me it was both and in the end mostly mercury that was the culprit. I think it's a mistake to treat one without the other....in my opinion. I had eight amalgams altogether and had them all my young life. This is actually over the limit of how much a human being is supposed to have. As far as I know, 4 is the limit...

Yet I've heard people get sick from just one small pit filling, so it goes to show the stuff really isn't welcome in the human body. Or at least the fact that it's there 24/7 is the problem.

Have you tried a proper chelation protocol by the way? Rather than just concentrating on pathogens, sometimes it's wise to try chelating and seeing if you get further results. Some people on here are doing that and finding breakthroughs. They were treating pathogens also but unfortunately were not getting well. If it really WAS pathogens, antifungals and diet would be enough to rid the person of symptoms. I have no doubts that when someone responds to chelation after years of treating yeast and not getting enough results, that metal was most definitely involved.

If someone gets well on antifungals and not chelation, perhaps their problem was more candida than mercury. If someone gets well from chelation, rather than antifungals, usually it's metal. But so many of us require both.

Hi Bex.
Yes I have done two rounds of ALA chelation, it left me in a state where I can do nothing more, cleared up most of the brain fog and now I have to wait for the adrenals/thyroid to catch up. I still keep salivating excessively, its nothing different from the stuff that started coming out a year ago after I removed my filling. I never had any excess salivation before I got my filling out, my body was completely dead in this respect. Of course, things have much improved since then, but there is still some work to be done. The saliva stuff is really acidic, if I keep it a longer time in mouth, it will start to slightly burn the tongue, or I get a slightly sore tongue from continuous exposure. I believe it's a product of the immune system that unleashes acid on the candida.
I have not tried DMSA, garlic gave me some time ago a rather explosive feeling, bad diarrhoea, and burning sensation under skin. And that was just a single clove of raw garlic.

Hi pgm, 2 rounds is not much at all.... have you thought of doing more? Have you tried the Andrew Cutler style of ALA chelation?

In his experience, it takes round after round after round to get enough of the mercury out of the organs and brain to start healing properly. You may feel you can't get any better, but it might be worth a shot...I think it needs to be done for a couple of years or so. In fact, he goes so far as to say that once a person feels better and thinks they are "well" they should still continue to chelate for a further few months or year, to make sure they have gotten it ALL out. Otherwise, if there is still significant mercury hiding, once you stop ALA it can start to leak out and fill a person back up again and the symptoms start. When you start feeling well and staying well without the need for ALA, that's when he feels enough mercury has been removed that the body has been able to heal itself enough to no longer require chelation.

My salivation was mercury related, yours might be yeast. I had a nightmare with it. I remember one doc gave me stuff to excrete the mercury and I couldn't handle my symptoms, I just about went insane. I was told to continue because this was detox, but when detox symptoms get dangerous, it's foolish to continue. I was near mental hospital status!

So it's a very scary thing to move this toxin around indiscrimmantly. And yeah garlic for me was not good either. Another scary reaction, wehther die off or mercury related, it was horrific (Supplement form). I coudl handle it in food form more.

DMSA is great when you have mercury in the blood/tissue areas and I gather it can chelate "some" organ mercury but not to any clinical degree. ALA is supposed to be "the" one in the end, but not wise to use early on in the programme until blood levels of mercury have first been reduced for a few months (either naturally, or with DMSA first).

I hope you can find improvements and whether the salivation is yeast related or mercury. It's insane stuff. I used to salivate uncontrollably for hours on end sometimes. My father used to look on in amazement and said he's never seen anything like it. I used to wonder where it all came from <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Dont' get that so much these days, I hate it, but again when it does happen it is usually a sign my body is at least attempting to eliminate toxins because Sometimes I improve a little after it's over. It's more scary when my body hangs onto toxins and won't do a darned thing (as I"ve been getting recently).

Hey Bex, now that you are finally, truly amalgam free…are you going to chelate Cutler style? You have only just gone completely mercury free right?

I have candida too but I don't think that was the problem with my salivation. That has stopped since removal. I have not taken anything for chelation yet, my body just would not take it yet. So I have been using supplements to remove some of it and build my body up until I can pull out the big guns.
When I had amalgams the salivation was horrible, metal taste, sour taste in the back of my throat and when I ate certain foods the sour taste and salivation would get worse. I believe those foods that caused that were foods I was allergic to. Also I would have more mental problems,tremors, and very blurry vision. Over time all of that has gotten better, my yeast is still there, probably not as bad.
I was raised on sulpher foods and have been eating them in abundance and does not seem to bother me. I also take a garlic supplement as well. I started taking garlic for my blood pressure problems. Also while amalgams were in my blood pressure was off the charts and has come way down since then, I am not back in the normal range yet but not real bad either. I see it rise a little when I am having a rough day and I feel that is my body just making things right to be able to excrete some of the poisons accumulated.
My vision right now is to die for, I love it. Colors are very bright and vivid especially yellow. Yellow just knocks me out,it's so great. I can also see far away again and actually can read the signs on the highway again. My vision up close still lacks but at 46 I say what the hey and maybe when I hit the metals with the good stuff, that might even improve that too. I have also had a few memories that seem to be a little more vivid than before, it's really amazing at what happens when your body starts dumping the load. Now if my bathroom habits would get as good as my eyes I would be set. LOL Well just thought I would mention that, I really feel until you get some of the metals out that improvement won't happen. Also until you deal with the metals I don't think that the immune system will ever be in top notch to be able to fight the rest of the problems that have come about, in which could take alot of time. Viruses and yeast etc... are all on that list and all in all I think the body will heal from all of it or keep it at bay. I feel that the body will heal itself as a whole and whatever it has to do to get there it will eventually with some proper care. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bee.gif" alt="" />
Rachel

Bex, I used the Andy Cutler protocol, on ALA only. It worked well, and I intend to continue using it when time is right. I found that 20 mg per dose is the maximum I could tolerate. I always get a bit better after each major salivation event, but my adrenals get a bit screwed, so I don't want to add up on that load with chelation, since it occurs so frequently. I only get worried when I don't salivate, because then I know my body isn't doing anything useful, even though I'm still not well. It's a kind of a relief for me that the salivation always returns.

Hi Sunshine, I have been mercury free for 11 years now. I have already chelated for many years and was already pretty much well again from the mercury poisoning.

My problems now are viral/infection related since I got hit in 2003 from that and possible cavitations.

My recent dental visit was not related to amalgams, it was getting my old composites redone with cerec porcelain. But the exposure to mercury vapor in the dental office (from other people getting amalgams in or out), always makes me sicker.

It was a horrible thing to have gone through years of toxicity from mercury. Then years of hell from detoxing, to finally reach improved health by age 29 - 30 and then get hit by something even worse than I cannot detox from is just unspeakable. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. Ill health has actually been a big part of my life from mid teens onwards. And I know there are others out there who have been through similar or worse, so I try and keep going knowing I'm not the only one.

Bex: I thought your recent dental visit revealed hidden amalgams under the fillings.

Sorry to hear about your suffering Bex, I can imagine it can be extremely rough at times. What is also annoying is that not many are going to believe you when you say that you're recovering from amalgam illness, and you feel lousy and get no help from doctors. How much do/did you salivate btw? On bad days I could get out 1 liter per day, and otherwise at least 0.5 liter.

What are your symptoms?

Hi SS, well, I had my amaglams out years ago, but the recent visit only revealed a very little bit of left over amalgam in one or two top teeth (left side). CAnnot have been significant, because I went through the dumping stage of mercury long ago. The dumping stage does not really occur until fillings are gone.

And I really have felt no different since this recent visit, if anything somewhat worse due to vapor. But nothing that indicates a detox reaction or healing.

So I don't consider the little amalgam that this dentist found that significant. I usually know instinctively when something has changed in me or detox is happening. And I've not had that at all.

Still, I am getting the other side done soonish, so maybe the dentist might find a bit of amalgam left under composites there too....who knows?

Hi pgm, thank you! It's nice to get on here and know that I'm not alone in this, though horrible to know others have had their own hell to deal with too. Kind of a mixed feeling. Wow, the amount of saliva I would excrete? I could not tell you exactly, but I would fill three quarters of an icecream container in a session and it would have to be emptied, only to be brought back for more. So during a day, I really do not know. If I used hankerchiefs, I would soak so many of them, that in the end I had to stick to the bowls. The hankies would be sodden/dripping. I know this sounds totally disgusting, but it's the truth. That's how poisoned I was.

I have worst yeast now than I did then, but don't really get the salivations I did when I was very definitely excreting metals. I kind of wish I would a bit more because it was "one" way my body attempted to eliminate toxins/metals, whereas now things just feel "stuck", as though nothing is happening at all. So the salivations were horrible but there was a little hope that when it subsided, I'd be a little less toxic after it.

I'm sure you know how that is. I didn't know anybody else got that, so I'm quite astounded to hear someone on here mention it. I have read about it for sure as part of the symptoms, but very rarely do I hear of someone with this, if at all. The amount you got sounds very similar to myself. Just astounding.

I found out something interesting regarding the salivation. If you store your salivation for some days you might notice that it colors the walls of the container with something greenish. At first I thought it could be copper, it looks a bit like greenish copper stains from copper pipes. But no, I stumbled upon a much better explanation, when I researched myeloperoxidase (MPO) and glutathione peroxidase, as mercury interferes with the production of these essential enzymes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myeloperoxidase

"MPO has a heme pigment, which causes its green color in secretions rich in neutrophils, such as pus and some forms of mucus."

Here we have some real evidence, that the salivation comes from neutrophil activity, and they don't attack mercury for sure, but instead pathogens like candida. This also explains the sour taste of the salivation, contains acid: "MPO produces hypochlorous acid (HOCl) from hydrogen peroxide (H2O2)".
The neutrophils use this acid to attack the pathogens. Routine testing of MPO is not performed.

Hi pgm, thanks for the info. It's amazing how many things can cause these odd excretions to occur. I never had the sour taste though, mine was either no taste, or metal. I actually really need this to happen again because the toxins in me are staying put and I cannot function very well because of that. It's odd that my body mainly works by pushing them out of my face by crying, mucous, salivation, rather than doing it the normal way and how it should.

But i've come to kind of rely on that in order to get relief from any toxic exposure. I do not know why my body has stopped up and won't do it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Bex, i wonder what symptoms your non-mercury viral infection causes?

Hi bg, I can pretty much tell you what it's caused (at least if this is ALL viral related, could be other infection along with it like cavitation), but here is what happened after I got it.

A feeling of movement/chills throughout the head (brain).
Sore throat with strange spots/circles at the back of my mouth.
Personality change, more withdrawn
Worse depression
Severe intolerance to toxins and becoming poisoned very easily and remaining so.
Unable to heal properly after any incident
Ongoing distressing gut issues and any toxins that get moved around, usually now go straight into the gut and cause extreme agony sometimes, or just a feeling of continual heaviness
Unable to move around much, if at all sometimes
Intolerance to exercise (causes worse delayed virus symptoms, sore throat, fever, very ill)
Exhaustion
Feelings of terror for no apparent good reason
Strange thoughts
Loss of appetite or excessive appetite
etc etc.

This could all be related to many things at once, and some of it may sound like mercury but I was already healing before I got this infection and this is what came after it, plus after dental work things got even worse (wisdom tooth removal).

With that is no doubt candida and other infections, so they all tend to offset eachother.

Bex, you seem to be a very difficult case. What if you just admit that you can't handle it, and go on and look for the possibility of HC to support your adrenals. Then you can start to attack your pathogens with whatever works, like ALA, antifungals etc. without the fear of an adrenal crash, as your adrenals doesnt seem to be in a good shape. I don't really see you have a chance to recover on your own, you have been struggling already for 5+ years? Have you checked your thyroid? If it is good, then there is really nothing to worry more about than the adrenals.

The downside is that I don't have an idea how effective HC treatments are, perhaps you could look into that?

Hi pgm, I know adrenals are under stress no doubt from what I'm experiencing and my thyroid is apparently just fine. There are so many things I could be taking and I just get overwhelmed by it all to where I just end up not bothering with most of it and going back to what I can handle (simple).

I'm at the moment in such a bad state that just now the exposure from the dentist (over a month ago) is kicking in big time and Im just tonight coming out in itching, rashes and crying and yep, salivating. So all that time it's been sitting there and now my system decides to attempt to erupt. So yes it's now happening.

I have stuck to the diet this time for 3 weeks now, without any cheats and that I am happy with. Maybe that is what is now allowing the other toxins to come forth? I dont know.

I have indeed struggled for nearly 5 years in regards to the infection side of things, but my struggles with toxicity from mercury, candida has actually been there most of my life. I've had a few suggestions already about taking stuff, and it's all swimming around my head at the moment.

I have never liked the idea of taking stuff for my hormones, I am too scared that it's going to be something else I rely on to the extent that I'll have to end up taking even more to get the same effect and what happens if I wish to stop it? I do not trust messing around with this, I' know someone else whose gone into this area and all she's doing is adjusting doses continually in an attempt to cope better, but the balance is precarious and things are usually going wrong. She suffers multiple chemical sensitivity as well. This has not gotten better from addressing the hormones.

Im sure they can be helpful in some cases, but I dont think I'm ready to try it. But thank you for bringing this up anyway, it's still yet another option to consider I guess.

Hi Bex
I see myself in alot of your symptoms. My stomach since the h-pylori does about the same thing now. If I eat something I shouldn't it causes me severe agony and that awful heavy feeling. It's just miserable. I mentioned the other day I had alot of viruses to deal with too and that is all overwhelming.
I have read alot on the metals causing bacteria to mutate and become an even stronger more powerful strain. I wonder is it the same for the viruses, do they become bigger and badder too Well it was just a thought. Oh and the itching, in the last week I have been itching like crazy worse than usual. I have been doing the dry brushing every morning so that could have something to do with it. Well I hope you are feeling better soon. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/byebye.gif" alt="" />
Rachel

Hi Rachel, I'm sorry you are experiencing similar! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> It seems the gut can be heaviliy involved in any infection, or become suseptible. One doc even suggested that the wet gangrene in my jaw that he detected on his EAV, was actually energetically connected to the gut region which would explain what was happening to me (so he said).

But again it is about proper diagnosis in order to get the attention and treatment and nothing shows up enough to warrant any dentist or oral surgeon doing this kind of job.

It is pretty invasive in a way because the have to open the sites up in the mouth, clean out any gunk and anything left behind from tooth extraction and obviously scrape the bone to stimulate proper bone growth and then stitch the site up again afterwards. This in itself is still no guarantee that things will improve or that things won't get even worse (which they can). Some have to have multiple surgeries and some have been messed up completely by it.

So it scares me. You're kind of damned if you do and damned if you dont with so many of these problems.

You have something different from me, but obviously causing a similar reaction in the gut. The gut also causes brain symptoms, as they associate immunity with the gut as well.

So it's no wonder there are people on here who are seriously sick because they are no doubt battling multiple problems at once. If it is more than mercury? Chelation may not yield results or may only do so to a point and go no further.

But again is it a long term mercury poisoned system that is the reason why infections like this have been able to gain a foothold in the first place?

Anyway, thanks Rachel, I hope you feel better soon too. I'm thinking about getting some DMSA for this recent hit with mercury vapor from the dental office. I can't honestly stand much more of these symptoms. And it's helped me once before, so maybe it will do so again.

very strange, but did you have mercury brain symptoms such as shyness OCD etc. that were resolved with chelation?
Do you feel you function better mentally now than before you chelated?

what do you mean with 'strange thoughts'?

BTW: Thanks for answering my stupid questions <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I feel sorry that your chelation did not help you with recovery. Hope that you will get out of this one day.

I am not sure what to suggest. What of your organs is affected the most in your opinion?

Hi bg, my days with mercury and chelation were another stage in my life, as opposed to my days with the viral infection.

The symptoms from both kind of cross over. But I can say before I got this infection and when I had removed amalgams and chelated way back then, I did indeed get much better and many of my symptoms were resolved and resolving.

The brain symptoms included, even though I had not really done alpha lipoic acid, but only used DMSA. I probably should have used the ala, but because I was already feeling almost normal, I didn't feel the need to at that time. And yes the OCD type symptoms also improved, but I still think I was never "free" from mercury. I just reduced it enough to gain many health benefits and improvements from my symptoms.

This infection has caused many of the same symptoms and worse. Basically because it has pounded me mentally and physically. It has definitely affected my thought processes and caused me to be vulnerable to external and internal toxins to a huge extent. So I become much more affected by them, even at a very small amount, plus the virus itself (or other infections going on).

What I mean by strange brain symptoms? Becoming agitated or frightened by ordinary things. I have had stages of being terrified to speak, terrified to converse one on one, terrified of my own thoughts, having a thought and then having it play over and over in my mind and becoming afraid of it and having horrible adrenaline rushes at the sametime.

I would sometimes curl up and cry uncontrollably from this alone and nobody could say or do a thing to help. It all came from within and no amount of trying to relax, deep breathing or anything else did a thing to help it.

Further chelation helped only a little, but it stayed. The candida diet helped this more. But again, I am pretty much permanently on a knife edge because the low immunity is allowing me to be a sitting duck for anything and that includes easy yeast take over.

So, it is hard for me to differentiate between what i have now and what I went through with my detoxing mercury. Both were horrible, but this is worse due to inability to heal and detox properly.

Also finding out I still have/had some amalgam left under my top composites was a shock to me and who knows how much this may have impacted everything as well.

The organs I feel most affected by this infection.... I'd say the brain, gut/immune system. Because I remember the sensation when I got it of severe mental symptoms of slurring my words, going off balance and feeling movement throughout the brain and from there it all spread and I got it throughout the rest of my body.

Your question were not stupid at all. I don't think my answers were all that helpful though because all of this is very hard to pinpoint and often I don't really know what is doing what exactly.

The reasons why i am asking is that, i heard 2-3 times of people who chelated with ALA and were almost there and then, they got a terrible infection and got much worse again. All claim that this had nothing to do with chelation but sometimes i am not so sure. Maybe it's just bad luck. I don't know. Chelation from the brain is never risk free in my opinion so the whole thing is always a bit scary even though it appears to work for me. There are no long term ALA chelators here so you never know what happens to these peolple in the long term.

I do find that you are a very rational, reasonable and compassionate person so whatever your problem is your brain seems to work well.

No idea. Maybe you are allergic to the amalgam specks in your mouth or you have a jawbone infection. This can cause body and brain poisoning too. I was you i would take a second look on your mouth. Candida or viruses are not the root cause in my opinion as they are just opportunistic organism. Maybe your are exposed to other toxins in your house?

Really hope you can get your health back. Some people have to fight more than others.

After my birth I was very sick and in hospital for a while.I could have died. I stopped growing for one year when i was 3. Doctors did not know why. Later in life i had problems with Attention Deficit, Compulsive Tendencies and Depression. My mother had 20 amalgams before i was born so it's hard not to make a connection. I believe i have been fighting this mercury crap for my entire life. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dead.gif" alt="" />

For me the thing that has made the biggest difference was magnesium.

I have a medical journal by Majid Ali it is called heavy metal load and toxicity and in it he tells how basically mercury along with the mycotoxins (toxins produced by fungus) are major body burdens. He has a good illustration of how ones ecosystem is affected. The base of the pyramid is the liver, blood, and bowel. The 2nd tier contains the adrenals, thyroid, and pancreas and the top is the limbic, sex hormones, and neurotransmitters.

He tells how it all starts with the base (liver, blood, bowel) and if these systems are not able to function properly (overloaded with toxins, genetic weakness) then the bad effects trickle on to the next tier.

I'm not sure if my liver just got over loaded with the mercury or what, but I do know that the majority of my problems are adrenal fatigue related. I just had the saliva cortisol test done and finally was able to confirm that. So I know that I have to watch out for stressing my adrenals even more (such as the antifungal the doctor had me do, ALA, and much more) if I want to have ANY quality of life at all. I highly recommend Dr. Wilson's book, Adrenal Fatigue, as it is wonderful (also his website and livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/adrenals). I also learned that my cortisol levels (morning was 10 with normal range being 13-24) were too low for me to get better simply by trying to nourish and rest my adrenals, but that I needed to take a cortisol supplement. This takes over where my adrenals just can’t provide right now. I am taking Isocort.

I have recently been studying up on something I came across concerning impaired detoxification enzymes. I'm not sure if these are made/released by the adrenals or the liver, and wonder if this "impairment" is permanent damage (possible from hg) or repairable.

Is anyone up on safe ways to improve your livers ability to detoxifiy without stimulation to adrenals?

Hi Bg, thanks. I think that perhaps during chelation a person can be vulnerable to infections, but then again...mercury can allow this to happen. So whether it's chelation/mercury or what, it got in and I was down for the count.

Yep, jawbone infections or scraps of unremoved amalgam could definitely be impacting me far more than I realise, as well as the virus. Which one is most responsible? I have no idea. But yeah, as you said candida and other things are just opportunists, gathering around a sick host and flourishing.

So for now, all I have really is diet and the addition of anything else that aids my body in controlling these things, but this is far from a cure. If it was a cure, I would have been well years ago. So I know much more is at work here.

I cannot do much about this virus, because there is no diagnosis, no name and nothing I've tried has gotten rid of it anyway. Even when I have "thought" i was improved, it's remained.

So all I can do is work around that and take further loads of my immunity and the mouth is no doubt the main stage here. I'm trying to fix what I can in that area, but I am limited in what I can get a dentist or oral surgeon to do. They like solid evidence <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Anyway, it's a frustrating journey to say the least but I'm far from alone in it.

Hi Searching, the only way I was able to improve my liver, was improving my gut with the candida diet, which then takes a great weight off the liver and allows it to heal. Plus the addition of raw vegetables (salads) which must have done wonders for my liver considering my blood test results which the nurse remarked upon.

Apart from that? There is of course the usual supplements like milk thistle, and antioxidants - vitamin C, E. selenium etc that help and apparently fish oil (mercury free).

But certainly without the diet and reducing candida? All else was a waste of time. The gut is most definitely the first part of correcting the other problems. A dentist here, (biologic) works with his patients and is very much into the liver, but he too works on the gut first because he says it then improves the liver.

Makes sense to me and certainly it was the only way I could do it. But don't forget raw vegetables! They are fantastic and better than any supplement programme in my opinion.

the hulda clark liver cleanse is superb.

http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/default.asp

That heaviness in stomach is die to posture tension or inner tension. This can lead to pressure on organs and digestion problems.

These are some great posts! I agree with lots of these ideas here. Wanted to mention that I recently bought a gallon of organic virgin coconut oil from Tropical Traditions when it was half off for like $59. The book I bought with it says VCO has been used to beat candida and other things.

If nothing else, it sure tastes great!

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TW

If you're referring to me James? This is not so. My gut problems, the heaviness and tautness, grumbling, cramping, pain all came after wisdom tooth removal. Nothing at all to do with tension and very much to do with sickness, particularly in that area, which is creating a place for yeast and other things to flourish. I have it now almost permanently. Any toxins head straight towards that area now, any toxin movement can cause great pain to that area.

I've had tension and strain many times in my life and never ever had anything like this, because I simply didn't have the sickness I have now. As I have said, this developed following dental work and maybe to do with virus as well.

Treating yeast has sometimes gotten rid of that feeling almost completely, but any other toxic exposure can bring it straight back with a vengence. And chatting to a doc who works in toxicity, feels that it is connected to wet gangrene in the jaw, which he felt was affecting my gut.

Hi Bex:

Just wanted to ask:

1) How you like your new cerec fillings?
2) Do you think the mercury they found under your old composites held you back at all from healing in past?
3) Do you think the old filtek supreme composites had a negative effect on your health? (know it is hard to tell.)

Thanks!
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TW

Hi TW, to be honest, I have noticed no difference at all in having them done. Perhaps I've wasted my money, but I did it with good intentions. Hoping that "if" there was a biocompatibility issue with the older ones, then this might make things better or somewhat improved.

Unfortunately it hasn't. The removing of the extra bit of amalgam so far hasn't made any difference that I can note either. But it is very possible that this may have complicated healing in the past and caused the horrific effects I got with trying to detox.

But as most of my problems with these issues in recent years came after virus and wisdom tooth removal, It makes me lean even more towards the infection/cavitation possibility to be honest. However, I am still going ot finish off the rest of my composites with cerec replacements.

They supposedly can last 25 years - a lifetime and it's a good investment for future I guess. I really wish I could say that since they were done, things are beginning to improve...so far, not happening <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

The filtek supreme composites "may" have had an impact, as I believe almost any dental material can to some degree, particularly if a person is still poisoned by mercury and hasn't chelated properly OR has some other immune challenge going on at the sametime to make them much more chemically sensitive.

I wish I knew the answers. Perhaps there really is no safe dental material, but just ones that are a little more benign.

After my next replacement, it'll be interesting if the dentist finds anymore left over amalgam. Either way, I hope to give ALA a trial run.

Ummmm! Interesting questions there Tumbleweed.

I have to add here that ALA helped me most, in addition to the anti-candida diet. Having these two, and you can't go wrong, if your body works even a bit like mine.
Other anti-oxidants are just insignificant compared to ALA; I haven't even done 3 full rounds on ALA, but the two first cleared up brain fog and the third improved my blurry vision significantly, while the vit C & E just made me sick with no additional noticeable benefits. Low dose ALA chelation (20 mg for me per dose, every 3 hours) had amazingly few side-effects as well. While on ALA, urinary frequency increased, and the intestines started growling, and so you have a proof that something good actually happens, with some stuff coming out both ways. I'm not noticing any "redistribution effects" so I stop when I want. Very good.

great news pgm! The fact you're doing this with just ALA alone and diet and getting such improvements is really encouraging. I know Andy says you can use it alone and cure mercury poisoning (but he feels DMSA can help with it).

But a drug is still a drug and though I'm impressed with DMSA, ideally it would be great not to require it at all and simply use ALA (even just for the fact it's cheaper).

I hope that you make a full recovery from all these symptoms. Oh and just thought I would add this. I seem to call Andy Cutler talking about Brain V body symptoms of mercury. And I think he said that persistant/stubborn yeast can be signs of mercury in the brain.....rather than the body... (if I recall correctly). Which is not really what I would have expected, but then again the brain is the control centre, so I guess it makes sense.

Good move to chelate with ALA, it'll chelate any mercury that happens to be there and do a lot of good at the sametime. I hope it continues and you make a full recovery!

Bex,
I try to do the candidia diet as much as possible, but I'm sure I could always add in more raw veggies. I have taken milk thistle in the past, maybe I'll give it another go.

Sosick- I did the liver cleanse a few years back. I didn't know about candidia back then, but that must have been what went wrong for me because I was sick as a dog after doing the cleanse. Took me a long time after that to be able to use olive oil again.

Well, like I have been telling Bex, black walnut hull tincture will definitely knock out any major parasites, including yeasts and your cleanse will go well.

The hulda clark liver cleanse page says to do a parasite cleanse first or you might get sick after.

I definitely had a lot of bacteria come out with the stones after the first one too. I used goldenseal root extract to knock it out and felt fine within a few hours. The goldenseal works real fast, like the walnut hull. Your body probably couldn't handle the overload, but you know what, what caused the overload is in there infecting you daily unless you get rid of it.

I felt like I had dumped a dumptruck load of toxins after my first cleanse. The slight queasy bacterial feeling I felt the next day was pretty minor compared to the relief of the toxins being gone.

Well, I am not able to get the humaworm from overseas, so am going to get the parasite cleanse they have in my own country. It may not be as superior, but sosick, if you're curious, here is a link to it and the ingredients.

http://www.healthy.co.nz/view-product-1487.html

Later I'd be interested in just doing the black walnut hulls you mentioned. I think that would be a little easier on me personally.