Please HELP!!!

Hello all,
My 27yr old brother has been toxified with mercury about a month ago. No one was able to diagnose till I purchased a hair mineral test and it showed elevated levels of iodine(5times the normal rate). Also showed high levels of aluminum, tin, titanium. I had doctor specialist read his hair test results and have came back with a diagnosis of severe metal toxicity with trace mineral derangment. He also called it toxic encephalopathy.
My brother has 8-10 amalgam silver filings. We haven't removed them yet...looking to do it as soon as he feels a little better.

Then the doctor recommended that he take a Chelorex formula(natural chelation not synthetic), Chlorella, Cilanto, apple pectin, Alpha Lipoic Acid, and (1) Nac 600mg at night. Things were not getting better actually worst...MY brother ended up in a physchiatric hospital when the ambulance picked him up.
I spoke to the doctor and told him what happened. He told me to purchase OSR by Boyd Haley from him and give my brother 1 pill every night with Cod Liver Oil and keep taking the rest of the stuff. After 4 days on OSR he was back to normal. We were so happy!!!
After 3 weeks all his symptoms started coming back, brain fog, confusion, sleepless nights, hallucinations. I called the doctor again and he suggested that we keep giving him everything plus melatonin at night before sleep to help him fall asleep. It's been only 3 days since then but he's not sleeping well. Maybe a few hrs every night. He was feeling okay last night actually but then I took him to a sauna at night and when we came home everything started up again.
I also gave him BIO-CHELAT and LIVERLIFE on my own for the past 4-5 days so I'm not sure what's helping him and what's not.
Today I went to purchase GABA and Vitamin E + selenium because I saw the suggestions on this site.

So all together, this is what he takes right now...

Chlorella, Cilantro, Apple Pectin, AlphaLipoicAcid, OSR, Chelorex, Cod Liver Oil, NAC, LiverLife, Bio Chelat(low edta solution), MElatonin

(Purchased today GABA,Vitamin E+selenium).

I also purchased some GLutatione in Liquid form and CLay baths...have not received it yet.

Please help me out over here...I hope I'm not making it worst for him. I can work, eat, sleep. All I think is about my brother getting better...I see him struggling

THANK YOU

You need to keep giving him the pectin first of all, that will help remove it via the bowels from the fiber. I eat Apples everyday so I get that and take Garlic too (1/4 of a clove right now). Chlorella is okay if he can handle it, make sure it's a good brand and clean itself, some contain even more metals.

ALA read what others have posted in here to get an idea on that, I have no clue about it nor will get into it because it's not my expertise.

I recommend you read up on it more and just go about it safely, get him minerals before you do it and ALWAYS MAKE SURE when doing a DETOX that you use kidney supporting herbs too (Most in here will tell you Kidneys hurt when doing these things). I want to find out more about Kidney detoxing herbs while doing this because I read if your kidneys are not working well it just will go out some in your skin and hair.


I am going to try to help you out as much as I can, I know others will be in here soon and mention Cutler this and that but you have to research some on your own to and see whats best for you or him.

Never give ALA to someone who still has mercury fillings or who recently had mercury fillings removed. Doing so might cause some mercury to be excreted, but also maight cause some mercury to migrate into the the brain.

ALA needs to be used in a controlled manner with a low dosage given every 3 hours(for 3 or more days see the threads here on chelation) and only for someone who has had their mercury fillings replaced at least two or 3 months ago.

This web page gives plenty of information and mentions supplements such as B vitamins, vitamin c, creatine, magnesium malate, zinc picolinate, etc. that can be very helpful and can be taken immediately.



Cilantro should be avoided since its effects are unpredictable.
Oral EDTA might cause mineral deficiencies and make him worse.

http://www.flcv.com/cfsfm.html

I felt very sick taking ALA without DMSA. With DMSA the side effects are much less. Don't even think about DMSA or ALA until a month after the amalgams were replaced, then DMSA can be started. Around a month pr so after that, one could start taking a small dosage of ALA together with the DMSA.

"Chlorella, Cilantro, Apple Pectin, AlphaLipoicAcid, OSR, Chelorex, Cod Liver Oil, NAC, LiverLife, Bio Chelat(low edta solution), MElatonin "

I suggest that he stop the cilantro and EDTA immediately! Imo those will probably do more harm than good. Chelorex has ALA in it, so it should be avoided(see my comments above about ALA). The useful things like zinc picolinate, magnesium malate(magnesium plus malic acid), vitamin c, B vitamins, milk thistle, and coQ10 can be taken separately. You could also add licorice root to help with detoxification.

Hi Alex,

I'm sorry to hear about your brother

I have heard the quote "First do no harm". Don't make things worse if you can help it. Though, this is difficult when you're dealing with mercury as it is very easy to make things worse as you're attempting to make things better. It's risky stuff to deal with.

I support JK98's statements completely. But may I add:

If you want my opinion, I would say to be VERY cautious of the NAC, chlorella, cilantro and glutathione as well. All of these products can mobilise mercury and sometimes wildly. Whilst they are ordinarily helpful and healthy, their effect with mercury may cause more problems than its worth. Some people can do ok on them, or even well, others can be seriously affected and certainly, it is not wise to use them whilst a person still has amalgams. Even AFTER removal of amalgams, any of these should be treated with caution, because of the fact they can all mobilise mercury and may potentially shift it into more sensitive areas, like the the brain.

I would advise sticking to support supplements as JK98 has mentioned. Even then, if ANY make things worse, please either stop or try on a smaller dose and test for respones. I know a certain amount of detox symptoms is not unexpected nor undesirable, but you do not want to make things unnecessarily worse or intolerable.

I would check your brother's diet. I think personally this is one of the most important things to do. Even Hal Huggins recommends a diet regime and more and more biologic dentists are outlining a diet plan for their toxic patients before they remove their amalgams. To help prepare them for it and make them healthier/stronger.

The main things I think to remove from a mercury toxic person's diet is usually sugar, wheat/gluten products and yeast. This can be VERY helpful. Sugar is very bad for the immune system and will make a toxic situation worse, plus can create or worsen candida (a yeast condition). Wheat/gluten products may not be digested properly in a person with compromised gut/immunity from mercury and may make them much more toxic. Wheat is also apparently treated with mercury fungicide.

And yeast? Well, though it maybe healthy, in someone with candida (which is common with mercury poisoning), it is wise to omit it. Even sensitivity to yeast alone can challenge immunity further and make symptoms worse.

Even eliminating these alone made my mercury poisoning situation SO much easier. After a few weeks of withdrawal/detox, I alleviated quite a few symptoms and amongst those were depression/anxiety etc. Quality of health improved quite substantially, though I was still toxic from amlagams. It took a load of my gut and liver and helped me become healthier and stronger in my fight against mercury.

That is personally what I would recommend as a starting point. Diet (and make sure he includes good healthy foods with fruit (if tolerated and doesn't cause too many candida symptoms, as it's still a form of sugar, though natural and much healthier) salads/vegetables, plenty of protein in meat and eggs (very necessary in mercury toxicity) and enough fats in butter, fat on meat, fish oil (mercury free brand), extra virgin olive oil etc. Nuts/seeds, natural acidophilus yoghurt. Natural ocean sea salt is also good to use.

And of course support supplements. I would not use chelating/mobilising agents at this point until he has gotten his amalgams out and I would be careful after amalgam removal which ones to use and how to use them.

Clay baths? Great! Sweating should also be of help. Via some exercise, hot baths, saunas etc (as long as he does not overdo it). Vitamin C, vitamin E, selenium (only if tolerated), B complex, zinc, magnesium/calcium (equal ratios) and even a multi vitamin/mineral to cover bases may also be of help. Cod liver oil? Great (as long as it's tested for mercury). Not sure what's in liver life? Melatonin maybe ok too.

The rest? I'd hold fire personally.

You sound like a great brother!

There is a protocol that I usually recommend and stand behind on this forum and I would recommend you look into it. But this is only to be used AFTER amalgams are removed. Please check out this link:

Informative posts by Andy Cutler

I suggest reading through it careful and finding out about the chelation products and the protocol that is recommended in using them.

It sounds like a lot, but take it step by step. At this stage, just diet and supplement support is probably the safest bet (in my opinion). Later chelation can be brought onboard.

No fructose corn syprup can help as well, see most sleeping on my thread but read ingrediants and what I posted in that thread! This can go along way, than and the squatting thread you will see in here which cost you nothing.


Why do so many continue to sleep on those, they are HUGE in becoming heealthy IMO.

The link is an interview with Boyd Haley packed with tons of useful information and some stuff about OSR.

http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html

Chelating with amalgams still in mouth is a pretty massive no-no.(perhaps with the exception of OSR, not certain so youll have to do some research or email Boyd, hes very open to questions, his website is ctiscience.com).

Put simply and politely-If the doctor knew your bro still had amalgams and gave him the chelorex formula,..... you need to find a new doctor.

I am in a smiliar situation to your brothers (insanity,etc..)

My opinion-Consider dropping ALL chelators except OSR. As Boyd states in the interview he is confident in its non-toxicness and safety. When someone is on the brink of fracturing from reality (like i am and sounds like your bro is) the last thing you want to do is bombard there body with chelators and free up a ton of metals that were once tucked away and less damaging. Also ALA imo and experience is very very risky for people having all the brain related symptoms and should definitly not be gambled with till the end of the chelation process. 100mg a day OSR seems to be wayyyy to much for autistic kids to start on (as stated by parents on the yahoo OSR forums) sooo something else to think about.

If your bro can type id be interested to talk with him coz sounds like we both experiencing the same things. So let us know.

Guys,

Thanks for all your responses...I really appreciate it.
The biggest problem right now is that my brother cannot get a good night sleep even with the melatonin. Last night I even gave him GABA before bed. It looks like he's sleeping but then when he hears anything he opens up his eyes right away. His doctor told me, that if he starts getting sleep at night he will feel much better.
My brother said to me last night that all this stuff that he takes might do more harm because it's all bundled together. I kind of agree but how would I know what's helping him and what's not. I will try to stop giving him ALA, cilantro and Bio-Chelat today. Should I stop giving him NAC and chlorella too? The chelorex that he's taking is in the liquid form. It looks like orange juice.
We have an apt with a dentist today at 2pm. The dentist will take xrays before he does anything I guess.
By the way, not sure if I told you this guys he had a very elevated level of iodine when we did his hair test. I read up a lot on it and that's related to mercury amalgam fillings.
This week I ordered 2 tests from meta metrix laboratory, one for porphyrin test(urine) for assesing effects of toxicity and the second one called organix comprehensive - urine.
I was told by my brothers doctor that melatonin helps bring up glutatione levels. We are taking 1 OSR pill before bed with Cod Liver Oil.
His doctor doesn't recommend any of the synthetic chelation therapys because of the many side effects.

I hope he's right...

Alex

Also I wanted to say that he urinates a lot and the urine is clear color. We also did a 24hr test for mercury and other metals and it came back negative.

alex all the chlorella, ala, osr supplements ur bro is taking are doing him HARM by WILDLY MOBILISING MERCURY. It is not being excreted, or very little is, its just being bounced around.

the doctor is wrong, as most are about heavy metal cherlation.

he is right that tradiotnal chelators are with side effects but only WHEN they are used in an INAPPROPRIATE MANNER.

please akncowledge yourself with the cutler protocole.

LiverLife ingredients are as follows -

Himmematsutake, Red Root, Milk Thistle,
Olive Leaf, Coriolus Versicolor, Ganoderma
Lucidum, Grifola, Purified Water and Alcohol
(grain neutral spirits); 20 % by volume.

urinating a lot is a common mercury symptom. the urine 24h test is negative because he is too sick to excrete the mercury.

Your brother should should try wearing some earplugs to bed if he is so sensitive to sound. Its the only way I could get sleep for many years, as I was extremely sensitive to sound. I could not fall asleep if there were any noises whatsoever...but with earplugs, GABA, and melatonin I could fall asleep and get much needed rest.

Doctors generally don't help people with mercury poisoning, even natural oriented doctors...and in many cases they make them worse. You should consider getting the book 'Amalgam Illness' by Andrew Cutler, it is full of valuable information. There is really too much contradictory information on the internet about mercury detox, so be very careful, as your brother can't afford to get worse.

jinx1983, So are you saying that he should stop taking everything he's taking now?

These are the ones you should stop for sure
Chlorella, Cilantro, AlphaLipoicAcid, Chelorex, Bio Chelat, NAC, GLutatione. NAC may be ok to take, but it can make many people worse, it depends on how sensitive your brother is to sulfur. ITs best to stop it, and maybe try it at a later time and see how he reacts to it.

The basic theory of Andy Cutlers Chelation protocol is this. When you take anything that chelates mercury (Cilantro, AlphaLipoic Acid, DMSA, DMPS) it picks up a lot of mercury from the body, some of the mercury is excreted, and the rest settles back into the body in a new place, causing damage. The only way to avoid this problem is to keep a steady supply of chelating agent in the blood, by dosing it frequently. For DMSA that is every four hours, for DMPS it is 8 hours, for ALA it is 3 hours. The time is unknown for cilantro. Chlorella does not chelate mercury. When you take a chelating agent frequently enough, the mercury will not settle back into your body. When the mercury settles back in the body it is called redistribtion, and can make a person severely worse over time.

I am not sure about OSR, but it would probably be safest taken according to this theory, meaning smaller more frequent doses to keep a steady supply of OSR in the blood, as no chelating angent will excrete all of the mercury it picks up. Redistribution is a real danger when chelating mercury.

I already purchased the book

I thought Dr.Cutler advice was to use ALA for brain chelation of mercury.

what gdawson says is right.

alex how did ur brother pick up mercury poisoning?

ALA is for chelation of mercury throughout the entire body. It can chelate mercury from the brain, but OSR can possibly do that as well. OSR still suffers the same drawback as any chelating agent, which is redistribution of the mercury that is not excreted. The problem is we don't know how fast OSR is metabolized so we don't know the optimum schedule to take it to avoid redistribution.

Since ALA can cross the blood brain barrier, if the body levels of mercury are very high, ALA can actually carry mercury into the brain. It naturally diffuses mercury in areas of high concentration to areas of low concentration. If you have low body levels of mercury it will pull mercury out of the brain. For this reason ALA should not be used until 3 months after Mercury Fillings are removed or any other acute exposure to mercury. If OSR can cross the blood brain barrier, the same holds true for it, meaning if the body levels of mercury are too high, more mercury will actually go to the brain, which is very bad. Cilantro seems to be able to cross the blood brain barrier as well.

DMPS and DMSA do not remove mercury from the brain, or the organs. It will only remove extracellular mercury, and will not actually enter any of your cells, it just stays in your blood. They are useful by themselves following Andy Cutlers frequent dose protocol right after exposure to mercury, and also useful in combination with other chelating agents later on. They(DMPS, DMSA) reduce the symptoms you would get from ALA when you take them together, and also reduce the total amount of time needed to chelate when used in this manner since mercury is excreted more efficiently.

"Also I wanted to say that he urinates a lot and the urine is clear color. We also did a 24hr test for mercury and other metals and it came back negative"

Testing for mercury is worthless. We know he has mercury in his body. The body tends to usually excrete mercury through the feces, and not so much through the urine. herbs that promote bile production might therefore help with detoxification.

Some of the herbs he is taking are diuretics, which will cause extra urination. If his urine looks like water though, then the is probably not taking in enough B vitamins. When you take in enough B vitamins, the urine will be yellow, as the body excretes the excess. Take the B vitamins with food as they are better absobed that way. Many vitamin brands make a B50, which is 50 mg of each of each of the B vitamins. You can cut the B50 tablets in half and take it 4 times a day. Don't take B vitamins late at night though, as they can have a stimulating effect and might disrupt sleep.

Okay I will get B50's and break them up in half...

What do you guys think of LiverLife?
Himmematsutake, Red Root, Milk Thistle,
Olive Leaf, Coriolus Versicolor, Ganoderma
Lucidum, Grifola, Purified Water and Alcohol
(grain neutral spirits); 20 % by volume.

His doctor said that we should give him 1 NAC before bed about 3 weeks so you guys think I should stop it?
As I understood I will not give him ALA till his amalgams are removed.

Please respond...

Should I keep giving him OSR if he feels okay?

I want to start removing his amalgams next week. I think the dentist will do 3 at a time.

the Liverlife's ingredients are ok. I personally think I over supplemented when I was sicker with mercury just because I was desperate to get better, and I think it made it worse in many ways. Its a tough situation because you desperately want relief and many times you just end up digging the hole deeper. Mercury toxic people are often sensitive to many supplements, and its wise to introduce supplements one at a time, with at least a few days to understand if its making you feel better or worse. The biggest issue I think, is that many people claim its just a detox reaction, and to keep on taking certain supplements, but its more likely redistribution, meaning you are just stirring up mercury and moving it around causing damage.

I would ignore the doctor and NOT supplement your brother with NAC. A basic set of supplements that would be helpful until the amalgams are removed would be : B-50, vitamin C, Magnesium, Zinc, and Vitamin E. Selenium makes some people feel better, some feel worse. The Cod Liver Oil and Liverlife should be fine to take as well.

OSR and other chelating agents should be avoided until the amalgams are removed. If you continue it before removal, there is a chance no bad reactions would happen, but there is also a chance that it could make your brother worse. He might seem ok taking OSR now but there is still a good chance for complications while the fillings are still in. The only safe way to assist excretion of mercury with amalgams in is sweating, so using a sauna is an option.

"What do you guys think of LiverLife?
Himmematsutake, Red Root, Milk Thistle,
Olive Leaf, Coriolus Versicolor, Ganoderma
Lucidum, Grifola, Purified Water and Alcohol
(grain neutral spirits); 20 % by volume."

Milk thistle is good for detoxification, as is dandelion and licorice root. Magnesium malate and zinc picolinate as well as creatine may help him feel better, especially if he has plenty of muscle ache. I have also gotten plenty of relief from Triple Leaf Detox Tea. Licorice Root Tea tastes great and is very helpful in detoxification. He should also take buffered vitamin c, 1000 mg 2-4 times a day. Magnesium ascorbate or calcium ascorbate would be good.

I tried milk thistle tea, however it is hard to make tea from it, so perhaps an alcohol extract is necessary, even though I hate the idea of using alcohol extracts. Taking capsules of the podered herb might also not result in that much absorption. There may be some other ways to take it though. In general I suggest staying away from supplements that have many different things bundled together(except for example a B50 which is reasonable to get).

I tried to find out what is in OSR. All I found was hype about it, and nothing giving the ingredients in detail. In general, I avoid proprietary supplements in which little information is given about the specific ingredients.

JK98 so you recommend LiverLife?

a+ advice from jk+gdawson. The link to interview with Boyd Haley about OSR is above.

"JK98 so you recommend LiverLife?"

No. I would prefer milk thistle alone. I am not sure about the other ingrdients in it. I guess if you aready have it you may as well use it up, but don't get it again. Get just milk thistle next time. You could also buy some fresh dandelion in the supermarket(make sure to wash it very well before eating it). Olive leaf is good against candida, but some people have a strong reaction to it. When he is ready to try olive leaf extract, get it alone, and see how he reacts to it. Also get some turmeric powder and sprikle it on food. Turmeric increases bile flow and helps with liver detox.

He should also consider doing a one month parasite cleanse. I like Kroeger Wormwood Combination(2 bottles are needed for a one month cleanse). Humaworm is also very popular(only available directly from the manufacturer).

Thanks JK98.

Do you think he can do clay baths prior to getting his amalgams removed?

"Do you think he can do clay baths prior to getting his amalgams removed?"

Yes, however I am skeptical about them. They might not do much good. Some people here like saunas and steam rooms, however in addition to getting rid of some toxic metals, they cause the loss of plenty of necessary minerals. I guess they are okay if one takes extra mineral supplements- magnesium, calcium, zinc, etc. and eats plenty of potassium and sodium rich rich foods and drinks plenty of water.

Make sure that the turmeric you get has not been irradiated. Irradiation damages some of the medicinal properties of turmeric.

I did very well on Chlorella for years so I disagree there, if it moved it around that wildly in me for 3 years I would be braindead by now!

I go to other sites and see things they put up about diet and natural chelation through things like that, they seem to be doing better than some in here on the ALA who are still a hot mess though following Cutlers protocol. I agree he has a good book and it has helped some, but it is not the all given miracle to heal all mercury poisoned people.

ALA is a synthetic chelator correct? He says don't use Cilantro because he is unaware how it works? I used the Cilantro and it was not scary at all! I take other things and I am a hot mess from them like most in here when they backfire.

I agree read up and get knowledge, but Cutlers protocol is not the beginning and ending of things because there are many avenues you have to cover to get welness and that might just be one of them which would help some not all.

If I were him I would get stronger through minerals and diet and do a kidney flush before and during chelation and then go from there, not just jump on a chelator and make himself worse which it very well could.

Just my opinion, but all the vitamins and chelators are worthless IMO without a diet and cutting things out of and getting yourself stronger for which you can handle such things. I use things and my kidneys hurt at times, thats not a positive sign and many in here seem to get that when they detox, which means we are either not ready or doing too much.
Turmeric is great stuff! I agree with you on that there. The minerals things we both agree on, I like to get mine through Molasses (A few TBLS a day) and eating foods rather than supplements (Unless I need Mag, then I just pop one or two).

No arguments here, great post.
All just my opions though, nothing taken away from what you said because you are a very good poster in here.

"ALA is a synthetic chelator correct?"

No. ALA is a natural substance.

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/othernuts/la/#intro

DMSA is an artificial substance though.

I had very bad side effects taking ALA without DMSA, but can tolerate the two together quite well.

Those who are sensitive to sulfur are sensitive to chlorella. I don't believe it mobilizes any more than other high sulfur foods. I'm under the impression that you are still mercury toxic, so if you took chlorella for years and did great on it then what exactly did the chlorella do? For the price, it doesn't seem like it does very much IMO. Some fresh dark leafy greens have probably just as much nutrients.





One of the big problems with cilantro is that the amount of the natural chelating agent can wildly vary, as with any natural product. I could eat cilantro most of the time without a problem but had a few times when it made me feel wickedly poisoned. This is why most herbal extracts are standardized because all natural herbs can vary greatly in there active compounds.


Diet is extremely important, no doubt about it. I was against chelation for many years but now strongly believe in it after doing it for over 6 months and seeing the results when nothing else seemed to offer lasting improvement.

Thank you for your reply, and maybe I am still very toxic with Mercury! I used it for the nutrient but went to Spirulina now as it is better IMO for blood sugar and food cravings, it works better for me. Garlic messes me up after just a few days, why?

I am against Chelation as you can tell as I read so many times it made some near crazy! I don't want to go there, although I have been close from certain things from Selenium to Kelp and Garlic!!! Maybe I am still more toxic than I would like to admit.

Did you read my posts on Fructose Corn Syrup containing mercury? I have used Gatorade for years and other things which contain a high amount, so the higher amount in my body from that could not be good at ALL! I just poisoned myself worse IMO and thats why I react to these things now. I would try ALA but I am not ready yet IMO, I need to kidney flush and build up minerals first IMO (That plus get rid of High FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP which is flat out poison to us).


Refer to my thread I made on fructose and it can help you and me and his brother etc., why Chelate when we intake Mercury daily? We need to clean up our diets first and get strong, then Chelate.

Thanks for your post though. I can't believe we have to do this crap and go through it, then again YES I CAN believe it being this world is a joke and lies to me.

My dentist said to take the Chlorella before I got the tooth out and then after, shows you how much he knew about mercury when it comes to those things (Holistic one at that). I have my teeth out now and still taste metal in my mouth from time to time especially when cleansing. You find out year after year you can use less and less and become worse off it, it sucks.

"Garlic messes me up after just a few days, why?"

How do you react to other antifungals such as coconut oil, olive leaf extract, cinnamon, oil of oregano, etc.? How do you react to other high sulphur foods such as eggs? Some people are very sensive to sulphur foods.

"Molybdenum deficiency can
lead to intolerance to sulphur-containing amino acids
such as cysteine, methionine and taurine. Foods such
as beef, cottage cheese, garlic, onions and organ
meats may be difficult to digest."

http://www.govita.com.au/library/Minerals/MineralsMolybdenum.pdf

"I am against Chelation as you can tell as I read so many times it made some near crazy! "

Using ALA without DMSA can lead to bad side effects, which I experienced personally. With DMSA, ALA is quite tolerable. I crashed hard last summer chelating with 50 mg ALA. I tried again with 25 mg ALA and crashed again. Early this year I started chelating again with 25 mg ALA +25 mg DMSA and was fine with that. Then I increased it to 50 mg ALA +25 mg DMSA, then 50 mg ALA + 50 Mg DMSA, and now 100 mg ALA plus 50 mg DMSA. I might stay at this dosage for another few weeks, as I am still getting strong enough side effects. When the side effects are almost gone, then it is time to increase the dosage. I had 25 mercury fillings almost all for over 20 years, so I was probably more mercury toxic than most people here.

I am allergic to Coconut oil so I react bad to it! I reacted badly to Cayenne too over a few days and Selenium from Broccoli! Yes those messed me up! Garlic messes me up badly too it seems, so sad since I used Chlorella for years and Kyolic I did fine on too for years, now I react to them? I hate it I hate it.

Cinnamon don't know yet, have not used it long enough for me to say. I react to Kelp, Garlic, Selenium from natural sources and Cayenne it seems if I use it for a few days, I wake up heart beating fast and mind racing etc.! Have you ever been through that there? If so explain why? Olive Leaf did this as well, but I used other things as well so could it be that?

I react really well to Pau Darco tea and tincture and GSE, I really do well on those antifunals to say the least, they are the gift to me! Why react to other things which do the same?


Eggs I do fine and I did well on Chlorella and Kyolic for years, now Chlorella and Garlic bother me? WOW! Are the other antifungals you mention high in sulfur? If so I react to them, the Selenium from Broccoli I am guessing High sulfur correct? Cayenne too? Is that high in it, it effects me badly as well after a few days.

I do well like I said on GSE and Pau Darco, those are my faves and never did me wrong.

Nevermind answered my own question with the click of a button!!!! I also react badly to Selenium from Broccoli which I said, which is HIGH in sulfur!!

http://herbs.lovetoknow.com/Reducing_Blood_Pressure_with_Herbal_Medicine

Garlic high in sulfur!!! YEP.

Turmeric produces things in your body which increase sulfur compounds as well! I feel the same way off of it!

Magnesium Sulfate I felt the same way in the morning off of it! GO FIGURE! WOW.

I am guessing Pau Darco and GSE are not high in sulfur since I do so well on them? JK you are helping me alot here thank YOU! I am getting some pieces of the pie in place now.

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/sulfur_sulphur_foods.html Tumeric will raise those levels too, I react badly to it!!! GO FIGURE!!!!! JK thanks bro.


You helped me piece it together somewhat tonight on why I react to these things, nobody on other boards understands it but here! I guess they just don't know.

If you are sensitive to many different antifungals, and also sensitive to sulphur compunds such as broccoli and eggs, then then you are likely molybdenum deficient.

http://candidapage.com/aldehyde.shtml

Molybdenum is needed for the enzymes which detoxify aldehydes and and the enzymes which detoxify sulphites. My guess is that you are also probably very sensitive to cigarette smoke, diesel fumes, and many perfumes. These contain aldehydes. Candida produces alhydes, and many aldehydes are released when candida is dying. Imo you should try taking 500 mcg a day of molybdenum and see if after a taking it for a week or two your reaction to garlic and the other antifungals, as well as sensitivity to perfumes, diesel fumes, and cigarette smoke is diminished.

BINGO, I am allergic to all those fumes severely!! I hate Cigarette smoke and stopped smoking cigarettes because of that there, my heart beat really fast and I felt dizzy as hell! I chewed tobacco and on such signs of that! Perfumes, forget it, I hate those. Diesel fumes hell yes, other fumes as well! Thanks bro you are a life saver to me, I really wondered why I reacted so badly to those things but now I KNOW! Cayenne, very high in sulfur too, my heart would skip and I felt faint, Turmeric too!

I need to pick up some of that mineral you speak of (I already have some though ;)). Good looking out man, you are helping me out alot here tonight my man, you are a true life saver to me!


Peace and keep up the good work, you are a wealth of knowledge.

I am guessing Spirulina as opposed to Chlorella is low in Sulfur as I DO REALLY WELL ON IT! I do great on that there and always have done great on it! Good stuff to me and beter and the Chlorella and Garlic.

Alex, see if you can find some Oregano Juice. It is some harsh tasting stuff, but did the trick for me, and helped me hang on, when I was to the point I felt I needed "committed". It was recommended by my dentist, before my removal, and I still use it, expecially when I feel sickenss coming on. It has great antiseptic and antiviral properties.

Have him hold it in his mouth, straight, as long as he can stand it, and then swallow. It tastes awful at first, but gradually you get used to it. If he takes it before bed, it will help him sleep better!!! I get it at my local healthfood store, but you can order online, too. This is what I take:

http://www.mothernature.com/shop/detail.cfm/sku/59061

"Alex, see if you can find some Oregano Juice."

You mean oil of oregano? That stuff is a very potent candida killer. It is also great to help with lung congestion. It can be quite expensive, however the Now brand is reasonably priced. I use their peppermint oil, and cinnamon oil. Oil of oregano needs to be diluted in water or oil. Only two or 3 drops at a time are used. Perhaps what you are calling oregano juice is diluted oregano oil?

1000 mcg molybdenum is available at a reasonable price by Thorne. It is only around $6 for 60 capsules. Carlson make Moly B, which is 500 mcg molybdenum. Almost all the other molybdenum supplements I have seen are 150 mcg, and it is not economical to take 3 or 4 of those a day. 1000 mcg might be a bit much to take every day very long term. I guess for long term use, one could take it every other day after a while, or open the capsule and just use half of it a day.




http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1205183

http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/Molybdenum%20for%20Candida%20albicans%20Patients.pdf

No, this is actually juice. They make the oil, too, and I use that, as well. I have several different brands of it. I use some Now products, and have always thought they were good quality. I have not found any other company that puts out the juice, though, other than North American Herb & Spice. When I bought my first bottle, it actually came with a big, paperback book about all the medicinal uses of Oregano.

Oreganol P73 Juice - 12 FL. OZ.


Oregano P73 Juice is a highly aromatic essence made from wild oregano growing in the high elevations of Mediterranean mountains - up to 12,000 feet above sea level. This plant concentrates oxygen from the mountain air in its leaves. The unique steam distillation process used to make this formula creates an oxygen rich water soluble tonic very different from the oil. Oreganol juice can be taken alone or with juice or water. Take 1 or more ounces per day for maximum benefit.
http://www.p-73.com/products.asp?cat=2&pg=2

I take this straight out of the bottle. It is very relaxing, taken before bed. I sleep like a baby, when I take it. I had my husband try it, and he says the same thing. It costs between $12 and $16 a bottle. I use around a tablespoon, or just take a swig each time, and it goes quite a long way.

I have taken the oil by mouth, and that does need to be diluted. It is awfully potent, if it's not. When I "oil-pull", I add a drop or so of the Oregano.

Thank you...I bought some Sesame oil for him this weekend. My uncle suggested that and also some dry red wine.

No wine! Alcohol will make him worse! You could get grape seed extract or resveratrol instead of the wine if you want.

Also beware of grape juice, as it is very high in sugar and may also contain sulphites, which may also be a problem.

Guys,

My brother's condition is deteriorating again. He's had some changes in personality, he's been very nice all of a sudden. I know that's not my brother. Feeling a little dizzy and having trouble sleeping at night. What can I give him at this point, he still has 6 amalgam fillings in his mouth.
I still have OSR, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Melatonin, Cod Liver Oil, Sesame Oil, NAC, Chelorex, LiverLife, BioChelta. Not sure what to give him. OSR has helped him before so I'm not if I should give it to him.

He's been taking GABA, Apple Pectin, Vitamin E with selenium, Vitamin C, B50 but I guess it's not helping him.

Thanks everyone

"My brother's condition is deteriorating again. He's had some changes in personality, he's been very nice all of a sudden. I know that's not my brother. Feeling a little dizzy and having trouble sleeping at night. What can I give him at this point, he still has 6 amalgam fillings in his mouth. "

Is he getting enough calcium and magnesium? Enough vitamin B12?

Don't give him the ALA. Keep giving him the B50 and the vitamin c. Is he eating well? Is he getting enough potassium? A good source of calcium, potassium , and active cultures is plain lowfat yogurt. Is he drinking enough water, and getting enough salt in his diet? Many who are mercury toxic do better when they increase their sodium intake. Does he have any problem with his sense of taste or smell? If so, he should also take a zinc supplement. Does he get plenty of sunlight? If not, then he should also consider taking a vitamin D supplement. Does he tolerate garlic? Garlic is a good source of sulphur, and helps boost the immune system. Does his temperature run normal, above normal or below normal?

JK98 sorry for the late response. My brother still feeling lost and confused, not as bad as it was before though. He started drinking natural mix juices a few days ago. His diet is not that good, he likes eating pizza, rice with chicken. He has a sense of taste and smell right now. I actually asked him about that and he said when he was really sick last time he lost his sense of smell and taste. He likes salt in his food so I don't think the sodium should suffer over it. How do I find out if he's getting enough B12? He doesn't like yogurt but he drinks milk with cereal, eggs and cheese.

Finally today I received the test results for his Mercury Blood Test and Blood Glutathione Level Test. See below...
I don't know what they mean neither the doctor that requested the per my request.

Glutathione Blood Level: Result: 1744 Units mmol/L Reference Interval > or = 669

Mercury Blood Test Result None Detected Units ug/L Reference Inverval 0.0 - 14.9

Environmental Exposure: < 15.0
Occupational Exposure:
BEI - Inorganic Mercury: 15.0

"His diet is not that good, he likes eating pizza, rice with chicken."

If he has a candida problem any starchy foods wouldn't be good. Pizza is bad since it often has plenty of sugar, yeast, and all the carbs in the bread.

No detectable blood mercury? A blood test usually doesn't mean much, although I think there should be at least some detectable in mercury in his blood if he has a mercury problem. Who knows though. It is hard to test for mercury. Some doctors do challenge test and give a relatively large DMSA then collect the urine for 24 hours and see how much mercury is in the urine. I guess they collect urine before as well for a comparison. Some people feel very sick after a challenge test.

I wonder if he might be toxic from some other toxic metals besides mercury, or if he has mineral deficiencies.

Do you know if his glutathione level is okay from the results?
Yes he had other mineral deficiencies. Also had high levels of titanium, tin and aluminum.

Calcium 464 200- 750
Magnesium 42 25- 75
Sodium 180 20- 180
Potassium 120 9- 80
Copper 20 11- 30
Zinc 230 130- 200
Manganese 0.14 0.08- 0.50
Chromium 0.50 0.40- 0.70
Vanadium 0.036 0.018- 0.065
Molybdenum 0.049 0.025- 0.060
Boron 2.0 0.40- 3.0
Iodine 7.9 0.25- 1.8
Lithium 0.012 0.007- 0.020
Phosphorus 352 150- 220
Selenium 1.2 0.70- 1.2
Strontium 0.43 0.30- 3.5
Sulfur 56200 44000- 50000
Cobalt 0.006 0.004- 0.020
Iron 17 7.0- 16
Germanium 0.043 0.030- 0.040
Rubidium 0.079 0.011- 0.12
Zirconium 0.34 0.020- 0.44

the second column is for ranges

You can see that iodine, phosphorus, sulfur levels are extremely high. What is that mean?

The high glutathione is a good thing, not a bad thing. You did say he is taking supplements which boost glutathione. The high glutathione might explain why there is no detectable mercury in his blood. As soon as the mercury gets to his blood, the glutathione helps rliminate it. It doesn't tell you how much mercury is in his organs though. I didn't see a number for aluminum. why is his iodine level so high? Does he eat plenty of seaweed or fish? Too much iodine or too little iodine can cause thyroid problems. Did they test for lead, cadmium, arsenic, and other heavy metals?

The high phosphorus is a concern. Does he drink carbonated beverages? If so, he should stop.

He's not taking any more supplements for glutathione except for melatonin which also helps boost glutathione levels. See See attached file for his hair test results which were done a month and a half ago. No he never ate seaweed or fish. Yes he always drank too much carbonated beverages.

continuation of hair test results

He now has trouble sleeping at night even taking Melatonin and GABA. Any ideas?

Does he get enough sunlight? If not, then vitamin D might help. There are other ideas here.

http://www.holisticonline.com/Remedies/Sleep/sleep_ins_nutrition.htm

JK98, Looking at the hair test results what do you think?

"JK98, Looking at the hair test results what do you think?"

I think that hair tests can be quite inaccurate at times, and can vary from lab to lab. The high aluminum and high phosphorus are a concern, but perhaps changes in lifestyle can lower these. Have you figured out why his aluminum and iodine levels are so high? His zinc level is a bit above normal, so he is probably getting enough zinc.

Any comments from the doctor about why the iodine level was so high? It doesn't make sense if he wasn't eating plenty of seaweed or taking megadose iodine supplements. Did you mention that he is taking algin? That is seaweed. The high tin could be from using many canned foods and beverages, or using toothpaste with tin(stannous flouride). The high titanium level could also be from toothpaste, although titanium isn't toxic. Did you say he was taking cilantro? Cilantro causes aluminum to be excreted(or was the hair test done before he started taking the cilantro?)

Alex, has your brother done a parasite cleanse? Many people have greatly benefitted from doing one. I suggest a one month cleanse. There are many cleanse formulas. Some of the most popular are Humaworm, Para-Cleanse, and Kroeger Wormwood Combination. Some are just two weeks per package, so you would need to get two of those for a one month cleanse.

the doctor said that the elevated iodine level is due to amalgam silver fillings. He never took any algin supplements. He began taking cilantro after the hair test results.

he never did any parasite cleansing. is there any way to test if he has parasites?

thks

Parasite tests are not worthwhile. They only detect a small percentage of parasites, and give many false negatives. To be at all meaningful, the test would need to be repeated several times. It is much easier, more convenient, and cheaper to do a one month cleanse than to do testing.

Thanks. His brain is not functioning good right now. He looks confused and depressed. Should I give him glutamine, ginkgo bilioba or gotu kola for that? I got that information from dr.cutler's book, or do we need to wait to remove all the amalgam fillings first.

thats what hes taking now GABA, Apple Pectin, Vitamin E with selenium, Vitamin C, B50, cod liver oil. I'm thinking of giving him OSR soon if he doesnt improve.

what do u think?

I never used those. Has he tried using detox teas? The Triple Leaf Detox Tea and the Yogi Detox Tea are both pretty good.
Is he drinking enough water? Getting enough potassium?

Alex, to me these sound fine. But can I ask if he is consuming any sugar/gluten/yeast products? I know I've said this before, but it's extremely important. This is no side issue for many people, but a big deal.

These were and are like pure poison to me and many others with immune problems and/or mercury poisoning. Without excluding them from my diet, I remained incredibly toxic and ill. Often bedridden, severely depression/anxious and suicidal.

Once I got them out of my diet, after going through detox/withdrawal for a few weeks, the difference was remarkable. And it was then that the supplements began to be able to make more of a difference, because my body was now able to absorb them.

Sugar can severely lower immunity and disrupt many things inside the body, including absorption of nutrients/minerals. Wheat is often treated with mercury fungicide, plus it contains gluten. Gluten grains can act like a glue, screw up the gut and prevent healing. Again, like poison to some people.

Yeast? Yeast isn't bad in itself, but if a person has candida? Which many mercury toxic people do, they can act allergically to yeast. This can also make a person feel toxic because again, immunity gets stressed. Yeast is typically avoided.

If these items are removed from the diet, great improvement can come. If they remain? They maybe the cause of alot of unnecessarily toxicity and discomfort. No it's not easy to give them up, but sometimes very necessary. I gained better health and much hope after excluding them and improving! It was then I started removing my amalgams.

How about detoxifying herbs like dandelion, milk thistle, red clover, burdock, ginger, and licorice? Detox teas typically have those. Drinking extra water should also help.

Absolutely yes. I drink herbal teas and I'm quite sure they help me. They also give me something safe to drink, as I cannot have coffee or fizzy drink or even milk.

But for me, I had to change my diet before I was able to benefit properly from additional nutrients and detoxes.

Cleaned up the diet and then the benefits started. Detox was still not easy, but the pathways were more open and I had a better gut/liver condition to deal to the job, rather than a toxic and overburdened gut and liver unable to cope with increased movement of toxins. So they basically got shifted around a body that was too ill to eliminate properly.

That's my experience. I really believe the benefits of excluding the bad foods and encouraging an increase in good cannot be over emphasised! There are plenty of healthy alternatives to sugar and gluten/yeast products out there. And plenty of alternatives to coffee, fizzy drinks and milkshakes by the many detox herbal teas out there that JK has pointed out.

He's still consuming sugar, wheat and yeast product. Not as much though. What food should he eat then? I don't know how he's going to stop eating all of that. It's been hell for me these past couple of month. I think I aged 10 years but I will keep giving my all because he's my brother.

Thanks for all your help guys

Hi Alex,

This could be doing him a great deal of harm. Had I not given up products containing those things, I may have committed suicide. Dramatic as this sounds, I had no idea the impact they were having on my health. This was far more important than the supplements. This is the first thing I had to get right. The foundation of the diet is vital.

The alternatives to sugar/gluten/yeast are plenty. He can eat meat/chicken (as long as it's not coated in gluten flour), eggs, vegetables, fruit (it's still a form of sugar, but it's natural and healthy. Though some with severe candida may need to reduce or eliminate it, others maybe ok with some. I would keep this minimal in the early stages though). Nuts/seeds are fine(excluding peanuts/cashews I think because of mould).
Yoghurt (plain sugar free acidophilus). Non wheat, non gluten grains/cereals maybe ok too.

As long as he gets off the sugar/wheat/gluten/yeast products as a starter? He may begin to find relief in a few weeks. Though there is a period of withdrawal/die off/detox, so he may well experience this. If he does, it's yet another strong indicator that these foods may have been causing harm. They certainly did to me. As the toxins started to loosen and come out, I even started to smell! I had some headaches, some dizziness and yes I had some crying spells and very difficult moments during the detox period after these foods were excluded. I craved them and had trouble resisting them, but I hung in there.

It was well worth the effort.

I am really sorry you are going through such hell with your brother. What a great brother and person you are! If you can help him through a change of diet and the difficult adjustment/withdrawal/detox period? You may find reward at the end of it and hopefully relief. I would not be saying this if I did not feel so strongly about it!

I had to do this for myself because my life was a living Hell. No amount of supplements/antidepressants helped me until I made this vital change of diet!

YES YES you are on my page again JK! I used Dandelion every day, Milk Thistle when I can! How about olive Leaf powder made into a tea? That kills parasites, viruses and Candida, very postent stuff and NON TOXIC! I have a book on it, great stuff.

I think many can benefit from these things here! Peace.

"How about olive Leaf powder made into a tea?"

Perhaps when he feels a bit better? Olive leaf extract often causes strong die off reactions.

HELL YEAH IT DOES! I got them yesterday and today! I am stronger than his bro though it seems so I can use it! This stuff is amazing JK! I mean it is very amazing! I suggest using Charcoal when it does this though, that helps alot with die offs, many don't know that.

Is his temperature usually below normal, normal, or above normal?

His temperture is normal. The only thing he's expiriencing right now is brain fog where it takes him like 2-3 sec to answer a simple question.
I got him triple leaf detox tea yesterday. How many times a day should I give it to him?

The Triple Leaf Detox tea says on the package that one or two cups a day is recommended. I think that is a reasonable guideline. Some days I drink a cup of the Triple Leaf Detox Tea, then a few hours later I drink a cup of the Yogi Detox Tea. The herbs in those are a bit different.

CAN ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION BELOW? THANKS GUYS

Should I give him glutamine, ginkgo bilioba or gotu kola for brain relief? I got that information from dr.cutler's book, or do we need to wait to remove all the amalgam fillings first.

"Should I give him glutamine, ginkgo bilioba or gotu kola for brain relief? I got that information from dr.cutler's book, or do we need to wait to remove all the amalgam fillings first."

Imo glutamine might help a bit. I don't think ginko or gotu kola will help, however I dount they would hurt, so if you already have them then use them. If you don't have them yet, then imo you shouldn't get them. Herbs like dandelion, licorice root, ginger, and milk thisle that are good for detoxification will probably be more helpful. Licorice root also helps fight depression, and is a very mild laxative. I use licorice root frequently.

Was the Triple Leaf Detox helpful? Imo you should also get the Yogi Detox Tea. Then you could alternate between the two. You could also get some licorice root tea. There is some licorice root in those detox teas, however it is only a small percentage of the formulas.

I bought the teas but he haven't taken them yet. It's very hard to make him take this stuff right now because his brain is not functioning and he's afraid to take anything that he doesn't know.
In Dr.Cutler's book he states that licorice is for asthma and respiratory infections. How would that help his brain out?

He recommended these supplements below...

essential fatty acids
glutamine
milk thistle
vitamin b6 b12
gotu kola
ginkgo biloba
niacinamide 500-1000 b3

I couldn't find anywhere where he states that you need amalgam removed before you can begin taking alpha lipoic acid and other chelation supplements. Can you confirm?

Thanks

"In Dr.Cutler's book he states that licorice is for asthma and respiratory infections. How would that help his brain out?"

http://www.herbwisdom.com/herb-licorice-root.html


" couldn't find anywhere where he states that you need amalgam removed before you can begin taking alpha lipoic acid and other chelation supplements. Can you confirm?"

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html

Thanks. JK98 what can I do at this point to clear him up? I don't know anymore, he doesn't want to take any vitamins. Should I take him to sauna? or give him OSR? What do you think.

A sauna or steam room might help if he can tolerate it. I am very sensitive to heat, and become extremely uncomfortable in the heat. I can't tolerate a suana or steam room. Some benefit greatly from them. If he does use one, then he needs to be sure to take in enough water, potassium(milk, vegetables or vegetable juice would be good sources) salt, calcium, magnesium, and zinc.

Perhaps he could try the detox teas and the licorice tea, and try eating the caveman diet for a few days(perhaps just salad,steamed vegetables, chicken breast or lean beef. Detoxifying herbs like dandelion, ginger and and alfalfa might help. Can he tolerate garlic? That is also good for detoxification. Have you thought about a parasite cleanse? Some parasite cleanses contain laxatives so they might be annoying to use. The Kroeger Wormwood Combination has no laxatives added(although the black walnut green hull extract and wormwood that it has have very mild laxative properties). Many here have had parasites, and improved quite a bit from a parasite cleanse.

I think I got the licorice drops instead of the tea. Would that matter? I purchased the humaworm parasite cleanse in capsule form. It should be arriving any day now. Can he take that with the rest of the stuff he's currently taking?

Did you remove all your amalgam fillings already?

"I think I got the licorice drops instead of the tea. Would that matter? "

Many liquid extracts contain alcohol which should be avoided if possible. Some licorice extracts and capsules are DGL, in which some of the medicinal compounds are removed. Don't use DGL licorice, and try to avoid extracts with alcohol.

Milk thistle is very hard to make tea from. I bought some milk thistle tea bags and tried very hard to make tea from them, but it was almost like plain water. So for milk thistle an alcohol extract would probably be okay, since the tea and capsules of the crushed herb might not be so effective.

The last of my amalgams were replaced 17 months ago. I had 25 amalgams. It took almost a year for them to be replaced. I felt pretty sick during the process, and had to take a few long breaks inbetween.

The licorice drops that I purchased were Alcohol free so I suppose they should be okay. There were ones with alcohol but I got the ones without it. What's DGL?
I will buy some milk thistle for him today. So you recommend getting drops?
When you felt sick who cared for you if you don't mind me asking? Did you feel large improvements once the amalgams were replaced?

"The licorice drops that I purchased were Alcohol free so I suppose they should be okay."

Does it say DGL on the label? Next time make sure not to get DGL licorice. DGL stands for De-Glycyrrhizinated Licorice. The glycyrrhizin was removed. That substance provides many of the medicinal properties in licorice. It can raise blood pressure though, so those with high blood pressure or who want to use large doses of licorice sometime use the DGL licorice. It is meant for those who can't tolerate the regular licorice.

"I will buy some milk thistle for him today. So you recommend getting drops?"

I guess so, since it is so hard to make tea from milk thistle, and many websites claim that capsules of the crushed herb aren't absorbed very well.

"When you felt sick who cared for you if you don't mind me asking?"

Basically myself. It wasn't easy.

"Did you feel large improvements once the amalgams were replaced?
"

I went through periods of feeling much better then much worse. Soon after amalgams were replaced I felt better, but then a few weeks later I felt much worse as my body seemed to be dumping mercury that was deeply stored.

That's great that you were able to fight this off on your own!!! I have only 1 amalgam filling left in my mouth but it's huge. My dentist said that he doubts it can be replaced with a composite so he said that I will need a cap put in.

My brother has 2 caps I think, how do we know that there is no amalgam filling under it?

There is an option that is sometimes possible that is between a composite and a crown. It is called an inlay or onlay. It is good in some circumstances when a composite wouldn't be good. It is less destructive to the tooth than a crown and strengthens the tooth, unlike a composite or amalgam which weakens the tooth. I have a combination of inlays and onlays, crowns, and composites. Most of my restorations are porcelain inlays or onlays.

I don't know how you verify that there is no amalgam under the crown. I guess you need to trust your dentist, although some here say they can spot it on the xray if there is mercury under the crown.

If the amalgams are removed, how do you still have to be on this stuff? Do you do DMSA + ALA as per Dr.Cutler's protocol?

Yes, I am using DMSA + ALA.

http://orbisvitae.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=51544#Post51544

I am still not well, but am doing better than I was. The progress isn't in astraight line though.

I thought you get better automatically with little interaction from the supplements once the amalgam are removed.
I also read that DMSA is synthetic and dangerous. The doctor that we dealt with a while ago suggested that we take all natural supplements.

" also read that DMSA is synthetic and dangerous."

It is synthetic, but not dangerous if used following the Cutler protocol at reasonable dosages. It has been around for over 50 years.

"The doctor that we dealt with a while ago suggested that we take all natural supplements."

There is nothing natural that replaces DMSA. DMSA can be used with ALA or cilantro.

just came back from a healthfood store, bought milk thistle, the worker recommended that i buy fish oil and use it instead of the cod liver oil. he also suggested that I get l-tryptophan for relaxion and sleep. Did you ever hear of it?

"l-tryptophan for relaxion and sleep. Did you ever hear of it?
"

Of course I have. Tryptophan is an essential amino acid. It is what is in turkey that makes some people very drowsy.

Cod liver oil is mostly a source of vitamin A and vitamin D. People take fish oil for the omega 3 fats. You can use both, just be careful about getting too much vitamin A when using cod liver oil. More than 20,000 units a day can be toxic. Some recommend taking 10,000 units a day or less of vitamin A long term.

so should I give my brother some of the tryptophan before bed with GABA and melatonin?
one tea spoon of cod liver oil should be fine every day right?

One teaspoon of cod liver oil gives 4500 units of vitamin A, and 450 mg of vitamin D. You could give him up to 4 teaspoons a day of it if he isn't takin other vitamin A or vitamin D. It should be taken with meals.

The tryptophan should be taken on an empty stomach to be effective. Melatonin sometimes works short term, but for many people it doesn't help longer term. It should be taken on an empty stomach.

Okay. Can I have him eat potatoes? starch foods?

Potatoes are rather high in carbohydrates. They are not as bad as sugar or alcohol, but don't really fit into a low carb diet.
Low carb vegetables like cauliflower, broccoli, spinach, kale, etc.would be much better. It is up to him. The strict caveman diet is just lean meat, eggs,( and perhaps low mercury fish like sardines, herring, and salmon, although some here would say to eliminate all fish at least temporarily), and salad and steamed vegetables. I don't recommend this for a very long time, but perhaps 4-7 days just to help detoxify his body. The use of spices will also help with detoxification.

Nuts and seeds are a good source of minerals. The most important thing is to eliminate alcohol and processed sugar. I have given up fruit as well, but some people can tolerate some of the less sweet fruits.

JK98 I'm confused about this one thing, when brother was taking all of these below...he actually felt better for some time and then went to the cofused state again.

"Chlorella, Cilantro, Apple Pectin, AlphaLipoicAcid, OSR, Chelorex, Cod Liver Oil, NAC, LiverLife, Bio Chelat(low edta solution), MElatonin"

It's been almost 2 weeks since he's been taking Vitamin E + selenium, Vitamin C, GABA, Cod Liver Oil but his condition is not changing to better.
Last night I added Fish Oil, Licorice Root, Milk Thistle, tryptophan and I gave him 1 OSR pill last night(same dose that we were giving him before).

I guess there is no way to pinpoint of what is making him feel better or worst unless I keep him on one supplement at a time.

Alex

" guess there is no way to pinpoint of what is making him feel better or worst unless I keep him on one supplement at a time.
"

Or perhaps just add or subtract one supplement at a time.

He is getting one teaspoon a day of cod liver oil? Perhaps you should increase that to 2 or 3, especially if he is not taking any other vitamin A or vitamin D. How much vitamin C is he taking? Is he taking calcium and magnesium? If not, then you should add it. Calcium can be constipating, so many suggest taking it together with the magnesium to balance it out(magnesium has a mild laxative effect in low doses). There are supplements with magnesium and calcium citrate together.

How is his weight? Overweight, underweight, or average?
You said his temperature is around normal? Mine is often below normal.

Actually I stopped giving him cod liver oil last night and started him with Fish Oil. Vitamin C is 3000-4000 per day. He gets calcium and magnesium from fruit juices. I almost forgot I bought some Ultra B12 which he took last night too.
this one here http://www.aviva.ca/shop/products.asp?itemid=4691&catid=78
What about zinc? Does he need that?

From what I remember the Chelorex formula had all of the vitamins with ALA. I stopped giving it to him because of that. Why did his doctor say it was okay to take if there was ALA in it? Maybe it wasn't harming him at all?

His stomach is a little bloated not as much as before though. His weight right now is 190lbs (average built). Temperture is normal.

"His weight right now is 190lbs "

How tall is he?

"Actually I stopped giving him cod liver oil last night "

Why? Does he hate the taste? If so, he could get vitamins A and D from capsules or tablets. Vitamins A and D are very important.

"He gets calcium and magnesium from fruit juices."

Fruit juices? I have seen some orange juice with added calcium. I haven't seen any with added magnesium. While fruit juices are good sources of potassium, they are high in sugar, and not a good idea for a low carbohydrate diet. Fruit juices are also high in calories, especially if one uses them instead of water.
Imo he should stop drinking fruit juices and stop eating fruit, and eat vegetables instead. Fruit juices are worse than eating fruit, since they don't even have the fiber, and juices tend to be from the sweetest varieties of fruit.

Many doctors prescribe ALA even when people have amalgams. It is not a good idea though, as it might mobilize mercury into the brain.

Herbs that help eliminate bloating include peppermint,chamomile, ginger, oregano, and cayenne pepper.

He's 6'2.

So that is a BMI of 24.4. He is probably at an ideal weight.

never heard of BMI. Whats that?

BMI

http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/

Do not use Chelorex, OSR, or any other chelator or alleged chelator EVER if amalgam filings are in place, OR if a proper protocol based on measured half life is not available.

Vitamin C and magnesium several timesa day may help.

You need to get your brother to WANT help.

Often in these kinds of situations the use of psychiatric medications for relief of symptoms is mandatory.

Andy

Thanks for your answer Andy. What type of psychiatric medications are you referring to? We actually got a prescription for Wellbutrin and Ativan from a physchiatrist few month ago when he had sever panic attacks and nothing would help. When he took ativan it made feel better the first time but then he started acting crazy again.

Then I found Dr.Greenberrg with Chelorex and he was kind enough to help me get my brother to a better state of mind using OSR, Chelorex, Chlorella, Cilantro, ALA, NAC, apple pectin and cod liver oil. I understand that every doctor has it's own protocol so it's really hard especially for me to narrow down the things that help him and the things that make him feel worst.
Once we remove all the amalgams can we start taking all the stuff Dr.Greenbergf suggested or go with DMSA + ALA instead?

Thank you

Some websites claim that panic attacks might be caused by hypoglycemia, excessive caffeine, or a calcium or magnesium deficiency. They recommend eliminating sugar, alcohol, caffeine, and high carbohydrate foods, and eating 6 small meals a day rather than 2 or 3 large meals.

How would Adrenal cortex help my brother?

It might help if his adrenals are weak. Licorice root also stimulates the adrenals. Imo he needs to cut out all the fruit juice,fruit, alcohol,sugar and caffeine if he wants to feel better. If he can't eliminate the caffeine entirely, then cut down to perhaps one cup a day of coffee.

Some websites mention adrenal glandulars as possibly being helpful in panic attacks. They also mention that magnesium supplements are very important. Too much magnesium at one time will cause diarrhea though, so it should be given in relatively small amounts(perhaps 100-200 mg) several times a day. Magnesium malate would be good, especially if he has muscle ache.

Cinnamon helps stabilize blood sugar levels, so that would be a good herb for him to take.

Should I worry about what's under his crowns when removing amalgams? His dentist that the x-rays wont show what's under the crown. Just to be on the safe side I guess I want to make sure he doesn't have anything under them. Did you or anyone here do that?

thanks

Psychiatric medications fry your neurons , lower your intelligence and worsen your condition.
www.antidepressantsfacts.com/pinealstory.htm

Most of my health problems are the result of antidepressants.

That's why I stopped giving them to him. Thanks

Today I received my brother's urine porphyrins profile results.

Here are the comments by the doctor below:

"The following comments pertain to abnormalities found on this report.
Although precoproporphyrin is not elevated, the relationship of its level to the level of Uroporphyrin I & III makes the
ratio high. This pattern is consistent with the effect caused by mercury but may not warrant therapy in the absence of
other evidence of mercury toxicity."

Any thoughts guys???

I'd not have a clue about this kind of stuff. BUT, the comments made about the results of this test does at least give another pointer in the direction of mercury. Couple that with his ongoing symptoms and I personally feel that it's evident enough that mercury is at the very least a contributing factor (if not, the cause).

Certainly, a dental clean up by a good biologic dentist would at least be the removal of one very vile toxin regardless. I know that's easier said than done.

More biologic dentists now prepare their patients by diet and supplement support, pretty much what I emphasized in this thread as an important preparation for amalgam removal. The removal process is stressful and exposes the patient to increased amounts of mercury as you know (even with protection). The aim is to get the patient into a position where they are stronger/healthier beforehand (by also reducing excessive yeast and toxins), so they will be in a better position to cope with the removal and to respond easier to detoxification following.

Not all dentists prescribe to this, but more are certainly becoming increasingly aware of the patient's overall health and the need to prepare them before amalgam removal.

Alex, how is your brother at the moment? Has any of the advice given here helped him at all so far?

An interesting article about fructose. Alex, did your brother give up the soda and fruit juice? High fructose corn syrup in soda might also contain mercury.

http://www.trit.us/modernfood/highfructose.html

We are in the process of replacing all of his amalgams right now. He's feeling a little bit better. He's avoiding soda I know that but he still drinking natural juices and lots of water.

Bex,
To be honest with you I'm not sure what helped him and and what is making him feel worst because he's taking so much stuff but I know one thing that when he had severe panic attacks and sleepless nights, OSR helped him. Thank you Dr.Boyd Haley!

Even natural fruit juices are not good, especially in large quantities.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=248&sid=6690568

Has he tried taking some magnesium supplements?

I know that JK98 but I can't stop him from drinking what he wants to drink eventhough that's what needed of him!

We are giving vitamins which have some magnesium in them but small amounts. All he eats now is food with high magnesium counts like nuts, rice, beans, bananas...

Nuts and seeds are a good source of magnesium, zinc, iron and copper, especially raw sunflower seeds and raw pumpkin seeds(pepitas).

Yeah I did a post on this with many links, I don't think too many paid too much attention to it though! I agree cut that crap out as much as you can JK. Fructose is horrible for you.

If there is amalgam under the crowns, it will show up on xrays.

Many crowns have a metal base and the x-ray will hit that and not show you what is behind it. Amalgams hidden under these crowns will NOT show up on x-rays, as it will just show the metal that makes the base of the crown.

Gdawson6, Agreed. The dentist that is doing my brothers amalgams said the same thing that it cannot be viewed with an x-ray. We are almost done with all the replacements.

True, my Holistic showed me the X rays and I saw the tooth on it in black the rest was white.

Hello all,

It's been a month since I posted here, my brother is doing much better now! I think after the removal of his amalgams he started to improve. Now he's still feels a little bit lost and confused but he started living a normal life. I think there is still something in his brain but to me it seems very minor. I just hope I'm right.
What do you guys suggest I do now? Can I start giving him ALA, Chelorex and other natural chelation formulas or wait for some time.
He's only taking vitamins at this moment (Vitamin E + selenium, Vitamin C, GABA, Fish Oil, Licorice Root, Milk Thistle, tryptophan , Vitamin D).

Thank you all for your help

He can start on DMSA pretty soon. One should wait a few months after removal before adding ALA. Using ALA too early might result in mercury being redistributed to the brain. A good starting dosage for DMSA is 25 mg every 4 hours(including at night) for 3 days(two nights) then 3 or 4 days off, then repeat the cycle.

Hello guys,

I am trying to decide which crown I should get for my brother, porcelain(with metal on the inside) or zirconium(no metal). It's a for a back tooth. The dentist says that zirconium is much better because it has no metal and it's stronger. Any of you can comment on it I'd appreciate it.

Thanks

Guys I wanted to get your opinion on my brothers condition. He removed all of his amalgams a couple of months ago and was feeling a lot better after that. Right now, he feels good for a period of a week and then he says he goes into some type of thought process. He told me that his brain starts thinking consantly about different things, not bad things and many things in general. I asked him if he's getting good night sleep and he said yes so that's good I suppose. He's been taking GABA, Vitamin E, B50 and Fish Oil. We did another hair test this week on him. Can it be that the mercury is getting extreted from his brain and he feels this way?

I also asked about his mood in general and pointed him to one of your articles which is great......He's more like #5 (5). Poor mood, attention deficit, emotionally flat, not much drive or focus = Catecholamine depression.)

http://livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/depression/

My experience is that mercury makes me think about negative things, and it makes my mind loop over and over. It also makes it difficult to concentrate.

Mercury can also cause OCD symptoms, depression, fatigue, and so much more.

During detox, you can have surges of symptoms for short times, especially of your detoxing.

Thanks Russ. That's what I thought is happenning to him...Do you think I should have him do some natural chelation forumulas like Chlorex, metal magic or NDF?

Well, I'm using DMSA and it's helping me.

I can't vouch for the other products because I haven't tried them.

Alex, is he still taking licorice root? That helps mood. I recently added carnitine to my regimen. That helps with fat metabolism and cognitive problems. Magnesium also helps with mood. I also like the idea of eating plenty of horseradish, cayenne pepper and garlic on my food. Horseradish and garlic are very high in sulphur, which helps detoxification.

Chelating with ALA improves my mood, but often makes my muscle ache worse. it is strange combination to feel better cognitively but have worse muscle ache.

Some people get mood improvement from St. John's Wort, although I found that St. John's Wort became less effective over time. Licorice root also helps with detoxification.

Alex, has your brother done a parasite cleanse? Some people feel much better after doing a one month cleanse. The herbs used in a parasite cleanse-wormwood, black walnut green hull extract, and cloves are also very antifungal.

No he's not taking licorice root eventhough I bought it for him. Today I got him magnesium hopefully that helps him a little bit. I'm glad that he's working right now and keeping his mind occupied. He didn't do any DMSA or ALA chelation yet since the removal of amalgams. It's been like 2 months already. I bought him the paraiste clease from that site you recommended me a while back but he didn't get a chance to do it yet.
I got him to agree to go to a sauna with me next week. Hopefully that will help him detox some metals too. Do you remember if I shoudl do the regular sauna or the infrared one?

Just curious, I have been spending lots of time on the livingnetwork.co.za site and reading dr.clark remedies for many diseases and sicknesses. It's unbelievable but Im starting to take it seriously. Take a look if you didn't already and tell me what you think.
I have a family member with diabetes 1 and I was wondering if we can replace the insulin without methonol or wood alcohol thats how dr.clark called it. Does insulin without metals even exists???

"Hopefully that will help him detox some metals too. Do you remember if I shoudl do the regular sauna or the infrared one?"

I guess sweating is what works. An infrared sauna might help with muscle ache though. Perhaps steam rooms might help more than saunas, as the heat plus high humidity would probably cause greater sweating than dry heat.

If he has muscle ache, then malic acid might help. I take magnesium malate, which is malic acid and magnesium.

" I have been spending lots of time on the livingnetwork.co.za site and reading dr.clark remedies for many diseases and sicknesses."

Dr. Hulda Clark? She believes that many diseases are caused by parasites.

Yes parasites, worms etc. Do you think it's true that canceer, hiv, diabetes can be cured with killing the parasites?

I'm actually thinking of doing some cleansing myself too.

"Yes parasites, worms etc. Do you think it's true that canceer, hiv, diabetes can be cured with killing the parasites?

I'm actually thinking of doing some cleansing myself too."

Parasites interfere with absorption of vitamins and minerals, and the waste they secrete causes allergic reactions in people.
This leads to an even weaker immune system. The body tries to heal itself, but the extra burden from the parasites might prevent it. Paraasites may also interfere with detoxification
from mercury.

Those with a weakened immune system are much more vulnerable to
infection by parasites.

Well Hi , I don't know how this site works yet. My interest right now is in getting advice on getting my amalgams removed. It seems to me that even after they are removed, there are bad detox symptoms and i wonder if I can expect to ever feel better . I have been sick for over 1 year and have been told it may be mercury. I guess there is no guarantee that taking out mercury will solve my problems. Help.

Hello Mary. Getting the filling replaced is the first step. After that comes chelation and detox. Chelation takes time.
I suggest you read this.


http://www.flcv.com/cfsfm.html

JK98 Thank you for you reply to my amalgam removal inquiry. Here is the thing - when I read about getting amalgams removed I read stories of worsening symptoms and I have concluded that it is probably dangerous (although it is dangerous to have them in my mouth - I have about 12 for many years now). So the bottom line is I am scared. Also the detox is seems very confusing with so many different agents to choose from. I am extremely sensitive to everything in that I need only take 1/4 -1/2 the recommended dosage of meds in order not to get side effects. So again, I am sick but also scared of the cure!
I do know to go to a biologic dentist to remove them. Thank you so much for responding to me, I hope I am using this forum correctly.

I had 25 mercury fillings for many years. Getting them replaced does expose you to some mercury, but then you can start detox after that.

Chemical sensitivity is often made worse by candida, parasite infection, or nutritional deficiencies. It shows that your body isn't properly detoxifying itself.

Chelation is done with alpha lipoic acid and DMSA.

There are herbs you can take to help kill candida and parasites.

Getting plenty of b vitamins, vitamin c and sulphur is very important. You can try a one month parasite cleanse. After that, you might be less chemically sensitive. Molybdenum supplements may also help.

JK98, What was the parasite cleanse that you suggested to me a while back? I can't remember sorry.

Are you going to replace your crowns with the metal lining or leave them in your mouth? My brother has 3 like that. He had only replaced so far with a zirconium one. There was a mercury filling under the cap when they pulled the old one off. I had the dentist remove it.

"JK98, What was the parasite cleanse that you suggested to me a while back? I can't remember sorry."

I mentioned Humaworm(available only through their website), Kroeger Wormwood Combination(two bottles are needed for a one month cleanse).

"Are you going to replace your crowns with the metal lining "

there is just one with a metal lining. I plan to keep it intact.

Did you get this done after you got your fillings replaced, or have you ever checked to see if there was mercury underneath this crown? X-rays cannot go through the crown to see mercury underneath.

"Did you get this done after you got your fillings replaced"

It has a root canal and a metal post. I doubt it has any mercury in it. It was very deeply excavated. There wasn't much left of the tooth, so I at least glad that I didn't need an extraction and an implant. I know having the metal in my mouth is not good, but still better than the alternatives. At least I made sure the other crowns don't have a metal lining or metal post.

JK98, The other crowns are from what material?

I'm planning to get my replaced with zirconia crown next week. I have 3 crowns with nickel metal in the lining.

"JK98, The other crowns are from what material?"

The others are all porcelain. Just one crown is porcelain with a metal lining.

" I have 3 crowns with nickel metal in the lining."

How do you know they has nickel in them? There are many white metals besides nickel.

Hello again,

I just received my brothers 2nd hair test results. I think they look much more improved then the last one we took 4 months ago. What do you think?

The levels of aluminum, tin are lower, but arsenic, antimony and cadmium, and silver are much higher. I guess his body is detoxifying in stages? The hair amounts measure what he is excreting. Is his doctor happy with the test results?

The internet, Dr.Haley, Dr.Cutler and Dr.Greenberg are our doctors I sent them the results but haven't gotten any reactions.
I read in Dr.Cutler's book that Antimony and Cadmium are not that dangerous. Yes he is excreting all these metals now but I'm wondering if he still has mercury in his body eventhough its not showing up on the test. Can that be the case?

Do elements look little off to you? Dr.Greenberg told me when they all point to the right that means he has trace mineral derangement? Do you agree with that statement?

I compared good hair test samples in Dr.Cutlers book and they actually don't look that much off from my brothers test result.

Thanks

Absolutely! It is highly likely he has mercury in him if he has had amalgams for years and/or other exposure and been poisoned. It is unlikely one will get an accurate measure of mercury from a hair test, because it can depend on so many factors. Whether the source of exposure is still there. Whether the person is retaining or excreting the mercury or not. So often those retaining mercury show the lowest levels and can be the sickest patients of all, because they are having trouble excreting it. But normally once amalgams are gone, hair levels of mercury often do show to be low because it's bound up in tissue/organs.

Sometimes when one is actively detoxing - mercury levels can show to increase in the hair (and urine etc) as it's coming out. I was one of those that retained mercury tightly and showed very low levels. So low in fact that one very researched doctor (in mercury) in my country was very concerned and said that the levels were so low as to be abnormal, considering there is always some exposure to mercury and even healthy people show a higher level of it as the body eliminates it.

There are many reasons for low or high levels of mercury and that's why it is important to check the other mineral levels out to find out what is going on. As mercury poisoning usually causes plenty of imbalances elsewhere and that is often the tell tale sign mercury is at work.

The best protocol to use in my opinion is Dr Cutler's to get mercury out of the body and brain. The safest and most effective I have ever tried.

Guys,

Here is my hair test results which I just received. Last blood work I had, I had high cholesterol levels and high uric acid levels which led me to get gout. My hair test shows that I have low chromium levels, that is actually related to high cholesterol. Should I supplement on chromium or there are other ways of lowering cholesterol. My magnesium was low too. Dr.Cutler suggests taking supplements but I wanted to go the natural route.
The reason my mercury is a little too high is because I was replacing my amalgams in the last month or so.

See below...

Thanks Guys!

What you should do, is get your hands onto some cherries for the gout, or some apple cider vinegar (has to be mother type!), however, use caution with the ACV because of possible candida dieoffs...

I, yesterday couldn't get my hands on any cherries or cherry products in my stupid country of norway!!! Pissed.... My feet is too stiff...... And sauna doesn't seem to fix em due to the heat that is hotest in the ceiling area of the sauna...

So, i'm hunting for cherries... hope its gout, sortof....

It seems that cherry flavoured products is not in demmand by the lame norwegian people.... Neither can i get my hands on mother ACV without ordering on the net....

Pissant country.... I hate europe... It's boring here too.... Too many noobs...

But.... Try cherries for gout.... People swear to it on other forums...


Cheers!

Btw, the best i could get my hands on yesterday was a synthetic applejuice with 80% applejuice, 15% blueberryjuice, and 5 lousy percent of cherryjuice in it....

And i also bought cranberry juice, because it may be good for the kidneys...
And.... my thinking, if its gout, then its the kidneys!!!

Anyway, a kidney cleanse would be in order i think....
When is another question... when.... I'm reacting bad to ginger root, so.... and moderaely now to raw garlic, so..... Will i handle a parasite cleanse before a kidney cleanse..... hmm.... other herbs yeah, but.... will have to see with time...

Anyway........ keywords: Gout, cherries, mother ACV, cranberries, kidney cleanse, Hulda style?.......



Cheers...

Get me right, my country is nice enough, but the people..... sigh.....
Yeah yeah, just say it.. its like that everywhere.... right....
I just H noobs....

Thank God for websites like this where there are little to non noobs... Thank God!
Thank God for the Internet!

Thats how i feel....

Cherries is out of season here now due to winter..... So why cant this noob holding countrry just import some cherries for the winter season...... ARGH!

Go for cherries if you can get em!

In my experience, dry saunas are slow and "ineffective", steam saunas on the other hand is the best for me, rids muscle aches and more, steam saunas are a Godsend!
Steamrooms on the otherhand has a lesser effect on me, milder than the steamsaunas, but sure, i sweat more in humid saunas or rooms than dry saunas...

Havent tried IR saunas yet... I'm affraid it would dig too deep in one go and stirr up more metals than i am willing to handle..... Dont know, but its a speculation with me...

I want to try IR or FIR as its called, dont know if im quite ready yet... anxst to make things hard on myself....

I just hate poisoning symptoms!

However.... with sauna usage, this is VERY important!..... Support the body with vitamins and MINERALS, have a good diet! Because sauna depletes and sweats out good and vital trace minerals too!!! I allmost had a body crash once... was fatigued... Not fun!

Also important to know...... don't go into a sauna with undigested food in the system! Wait for a couple of hours after a meal..... Blood is taken from the gut to the skin to cool the skin..... so..... Digestion and blood as temperature coolant doesnt mix the experts say....

Anyway... saunas has worked wonders for me!

So go!... just remember, 5 minutes in, 10 minutes shower in luke cold water, then 5 mins i the sauna again... maybe 10... then repeat the cycle...

I do this for 1.5hrs.... sometimes, in a session.... once a week or once every two weeks.... Slooooooow...... safe..... and happy!

Also expect some muscle ache / mercury redistribution from sauna usage!
It lessens the more you get the poison out....

I'we been doing this for the last year, also eating garlic now and then... and chilipepeprs, etc....... And started toilet squatting too....

The sauna is also good for psoriassis...... mine is on its way to hasta la'vista... slow but sure.... and "doctors" say that psoriassis is psycho somatic and or genetic and what else, and cant be cured... yeah... my a**.....

Also... blood pressure should be in order before sauna usage!
Cinnamon can help with that, but cinnamon is also antifungal.. so......

Anyway...

Sauna will deffinatley help!

If you get dizzy or heavy headed, then exit and take a looooooong brake or give it a quit for the day and enjoy the results for a couple of days before the redistribution kicks in.. Its not recomended to push it..... it can be potentially dangerous.... With me it feels like a metalball in my head.... that is when i quit a session... You can say i sometimes push it to the edge, but then again its when i do that i get the best results!

The heavy head will go away after half an hour or so when finished... sometimes hours... depends on the day... no day is the same...

Drink plenty of water inbetween sauna re-entries too... every 5 visits maybe...

Just remeber to have a good mineral base when doing this!


Sauna is a good alternative to DMSA i think... i'm not touching that stuff yet...

Sauna's are an alternative to DMSA, but not to ALA. I used to be against DMSA because it wasn't natural but changed my mind after enough research and then actually trying it. It only very slightly increases urinary excretion of minerals like Zinc, but has a significant effect on your body's ability to excrete lead and mercury in the urine. It also makes circulating mercury in your blood less likely to react with your cells and damage them since its more attracted to the DMSA....something which a sauna does not do.

Sauna's will not touch brain mercury though. Once mercury vapor, methyl mercury, or ethyl mercury go into the brain and convert to inorganic mercury, its pretty much not coming out without the assistance of something like Alpha Lipoic Acid. Even if your body is completely clean of mercury it won't diffuse out of the brain...it just can't cross the blood brain barrier once in its inorganic form. But of course you have to be free of amalgams for a few months before trying any ALA.

Gdawson, yes i know and agree that something like ALA should be used later in the process, and that sauna use does not protect from redistribution.

However, the statement that saunas will not touch brain mercury is a TOTAL LIE, a Cutler lie! Andy Cutler is a great man in regards to detox science, however, HE IS NOOOOOT GOD.... He is not 100% right about a lot of things, think about that "possibility".....

Saunas sweat out brain toxins like a rejuvenating device!!! Infact, the scull is where you sweat the most! Saunas are hottest above and coolest below in the room..

With me, head in what sweats most, in there.... And this rids dementia and focus problems in me, for sure!

More heat, more sweat, less heat, less sweat. As heat travels upwards, the head region while in the sauna gets hotest... LOGIC..... And my head sweats like a.... yeah.. like ah..... yeah....

Sure, it may not be mercury coming it, it may be aluminium, i have no proof of what it is i'm ridding my head of, but im pretty sure it's metals, and i'm pretty sure it's mercury too... assumption..... yes.... but from what I know about mercury and the head, i'd say i have cleared my head of lots of MERCURY in the sauna!
Also from judging how i feel....

Have i cleared my head from lots of lots of toxins, like mercury and aluminium, just from using the steam sauna?... OH YES!

What else can it be then....... what else thean mainly aluminium and mercury causes thinking problems, focus, and moderate short term mem troubles..... ? fungi toxins?

Ofcourse heat can sweat out metals from the brain..... through the skull or soft tissues...... there is no BBB there..... only a "skin brain barrier".. if you will.....

Anyhow what the reason or mechanism is...... I'm better in my dear old head because of the lovely steam saunas i have taken...
Thats a fact!

With Respect Gdawson.... Blind Cutler followers......... (i assume)... It's like a Cutler RELIGION out there..... it's like..... OH IT'S ON TV, THEREFORE IT MUST BE TRUE....

Oh.... Cutler said so.... therefore it must be law...... and truthful....

Yeah, maybe A. Cutler is right about the merc in the brain... other scientists say the same as Cutler regarding how much merc is in an autopsied brain in it's 80's or 90's...... but i don't buy it!

It's not that squared or boxed..... Logic dictates that sweat and heat will rid the brain of metals! And my brain health is witness to that! I'm not lying.

Heat is vibration, and no stubborn mercury can whitstand enough vibration like any atom or molecule... no matter what.... It will loosen in there when heating up... the question is, will i get out too?... Yes i think so... or else i would have gone cocco by now.....

Am not trying to offend you gdawson, or anyone else who likes Cutler a little too much to question him..... I question everything, however, i'm just adding a little logics where Cutler book or interpretation lacks logic..... Please don't take offence... Thats not my point here.....

But the brain will get "younger" from sauna use.... Thats a fact! I can testify to that!



Thanks for pointing out the redistribution facts of Sauna vs DMSA gdawson, others say that garlic will do the same btw..... garlic + sauna should = safer, some say...

I have not tried that because of not wanting to double the risks of mobilized mercury.... I.E... logic the other way around....

Well well,, all in all.. i disagree on the brain mercury statement regarding saunas, for me...... It's allmost like my head clears more than my body from sauna usage! And that is only logical when knowing the heat laws, or thermodynamic laws....



Take no offence gdawson, thanks for the argument, good points, but it's ONLY Cutler science..... I mean, no offence to Cutler either, but he is biased, most of us are! Thats a fact...

My head has atleast gotten better, much better too!

And btw... dry lips will serve as a warning that one is dehydrated...

And flavour has nothing or little to do with pleasure btw, flavour sensors in the mouth is a tool to warn or encourage you to match your food cravings with what you actually put into your system....

After taste too.... that is a sign that you had too much of something...
Salty aftertaste? Too much salt during that meal!
and so on....

I have scalp psoriassis, and some say that psoriassis is toxic overload, and I say further that psoriassis IS mercury comming out... via the skin... some bodies in panic does that as last resorts it seems...

So i'm saying that scalp psoriassis is getting better, sloooowly, and brain health increases too, i'm beginning to get young up there again... now and then....
I'm a software programmer, and i know when my brain is working flawlessly or not, and sauna does help! NO ONE, uses their brains more than software programmers! Not even chess players.... I think i know when it works satisfactory enough or not...

The mercury is comming out via the scull and soft tissues, via the skin via psoriassis up there.... I'm betting that if tested, then psoriassis flakes would show heavy metals in them!

So there is the logic, theory, the assumptive, and experience based proof!
Thats enough for me.... for now....

Another point in this is that some say the the BBB can get damaged from mercury... so in that case merc may come out as easily as in.... But if that was the case, then i would have suffered from migrains and headaces all the time, possible not even lived....... so.....

Nay...... Sauna rids the brain of mercury.... Thats a fact, how much, dont know, not too much, but it does...

I noticed myself that my brain was getting better faster than my body, to my amusement..... and bonus i might add....

So i disagree with Cutler conclusions there..

Even Hulda Clark btw, does not sit on all the answers...... allthough she, like Cutler has a lot of answers.... Remember that... always!

The reason why your head sweats so much is a sauna is your body is trying desperately to keep the temperature of your brain down, because you will die very quickly if your brain gets too hot. The sweat is not coming from inside your brain, its coming from underneath your skin and outside of your skull.

You keep on responding using the term blind cutler follower like nobody who chelates following the cutler protocol has done any research. Seriously, please do some research Ole, the blood brain barrier is a real thing, look it up. I do believe you feel mental improvement from the sauna, but all of the body affects your mental state, for instance you can have brain fog because of yeast in your digestive tract.

Here is a quote about saunas and internal body temperature


I'd be willing to bet your brain stays pretty much unchanged temperature wise, so how would the heat from the sauna affect the mercury in the brain if it doesn't get any hotter?

It depends very much on what mercury is bound to. If mercury is freely circulating in your blood or lymph system you will certainly sweat some of it out. If it is tightly bound in some organic complex attached to internal organs, which barely change temperature during a sauna, the heat will not that affect that mercury.

Saunas are great for removing toxins from your blood and lymph systems, and some deeper stored toxins may slowly start to diffuse from deeper within the body organs and into the blood, but inorganic mercury in the brain does not follow this pattern since it cannot cross the blood brain barrier without an aid like Alpha lipoic acid or cilantro.

Oh yes, i know Cutler protocol chelating people has done their research.. I'm just saying that it's typically a religion sortof, what Cutler says....

No doubt the Cutler protocol works and is thought thru, no doubt of that, but i'm saying that Cutler may not always be a 100% correct all the time...

Get me right, i have respect for the people who has been helped by the Cutler protocol, and Cutler's knowledge, in many ways, you people has come longer than me... What i say like some others, is Cutler may not always be right...

And about research, i have done a lot of research myself, however i have not gotten my hands on the Cutler book yet... But..... I have read much on onibasu.com where Cutler posts a lot....

Btw, i do take the BBB seriously...



I agree on that, and that is a good thing, then it can be rid off more easily.

Whatever the mechanisms are, sauna helps, and i belive my mercury loads are comming down slow and steady...

Anyway.. I started sauna knowing that this may be the mild start i was looking for to clear my body enough to get ready for more agressive detox later..

So for me, this is sortof phase 1....

Another theory is that our bodies' P-450 may work better to get mercury over the BBB "naturally" when the body / blood is cleaner from sweating out toxins....

Also remember that mercury AND fat is in a carefully balanced state of agregate flux... I.E.. Our body temperatures is supposed to be @ 37c... and fat changes agregate state and melts @ about 40c.... and probably changes agregate towards solid @ 36 and below.... So...... same with mercury, but the range span is much much wider with mercury for semi agregate change....

Anyway... fat stored toxins can be released in theory by sauna if only increasing the body a degree or two... even halv a degree semi changes the fats agregate states enough for it to let go of mercury easier..... That is my thinking anyway...

Our body's temperature balance like that, is like a Liquid Crystal Display... LCD screen....

Anyway... I belive what you said about deep stores going into "shallow water" stores, also applies to the skin on our scalps.... I belive mercury also gets into the skull from the spinal fluids and out thru the skull into the skin layer, and then out, as psoriassis..... So..... In a way, slowly seeping out...

With all respect Gdawson, I did NOT call you or any other Cutler swearing people blind.... No... I only said that there are other oppinions conflicting with Cutler, now and then..... But i can see how this could be misunderstood as i often speak in a harshly way straight out...

With respect, as said... no offence ment, am just saying there are other logical thoughts and conflicting theories based on research out there than Cutler's...

I for mine, want to think positively at my progress, and have some religion too about my betterment, BUT it IS based on knowledge also, and not blind beleifs and hope... Sorry, i can't seem to get to say what i really want here, have expression difficulties regarding this....

I'm saying Moslems can be just as right as Christians!

I'm a Christian btw... but thats not the point...

So.. anyway.. know that you have my respect!

The people i call noobs are NON of you detoxing fellows, it's the ordinary people on the street knowing nothing about alternative medicine and conspiracies, those people are who i call noobs...

So, don't be offended please, as i have the greatest respect for you fellow detoxers, not noobs, but higher souls...

Yeah, i do have a huge problem with noobs.... Non of you!!

I'm only saying that Cutler ain't God..... He may be silver, he may even be gold, but he ain't the One of the universe, all knowing.... Neither am i, non of us are, I have done some research on Cutler, and i don't always agree, and i'm not alone in that. It's not a belief based disagreement, but an "educated" one..

I have also studied the body at depth somewhat, myself, enough to disagree with Cutler on a knowing basis... so.....

Thats that....

Smile Gdawson, no harm verbally intended towards you. Just other oppinions (not based on my blind beliefs, but my own research).

I'm only saying, be openminded to other explanations than only from one source, even if it sound like it is the only one, correct...

Correct on a 150 things, doesn't mean correct on all things nessecarily (bad english, sorr)..

Respect...

So please take my appologies, it's only that, that Cutler followers reminds me much of Christian fundamentalists..... Closed minded to other possibilities....

That is the only thing i really wanted to put my finger on... A reminder to be more open to every possibility... thats all....

Thank you..

Anyways, from our little discussion, i would conclude that using sauna for a while prior to DMSA Cutler way, would be a good idea, then later, much much later, add in ALA.... and maybe still combine sauna usage to help as support....

Cutler recommends Saunas as far as I am aware. That it can be just as effective as chelating with DMSA. But the same thing - be careful not to overdo things to overwhelm your body.

Yes, later on would be a very good idea to do the ALA chelation. DMSA is not essential, but it is helpful in the early stages with symptoms and reducing extra cellular mercury, which is why it is recommended. Your saunas are probably doing that!

ALA IS essential, because it crosses the BBB and detoxes brain mercury and other organ mercury! It can be done alone, or WITH DMSA. AS DMSA appears to help control some of the symptoms and may increase chelation further. Though one can chelate with ALA alone and detox their brain/organs effectively, it may not be as easy. Depending on how one reacts.

I think the dizziness and brain fog are because mercury prevents oxygen from getting to the brain

My brother started acting a little weird the past couple of weeks. I'm thinking it's because he stopped taking his vitamins and went back to his old habits. He still works and can do all his normal things.

I noticed that he has slow response when I'm talking to him. It takes him a few sec to respond to a question. He's telling me that there is something going on in his brain but he can't explain it. He has no panic attacks or anything. I read that Vitamin B6 is good for the brain support? He started taking GABA last night. Any suggestions guys?

THANK YOU

vitamin B12 and magnesium are important for cognitive function.
The other B vitamins and vitamin c are also important. Imo it isn't a good idea to take plenty of B6 without the other B vitamins. Choline and carnitine may also be helpful, as well as fish oil.

Thanks, we started giving him B vitamins + fish oil yesterday. Lets see if it helps him. He looks really out of it right now, sleepy at times even during the day. He was always energized , doing many things and never be tired. Can you suggest anything else?

Also I wanted to ask you whats a good supplement for stress relief for a normal person? What would you recommend?

Really Appreciate it.

I was really pushing his buttons to get every little detail from him these last couple of days and he told me that he has been hallucinating a lot where he had visions of illusions. Didn't think the things were there but they were actually there and he was saying that he knew it was there but he needed to make sure by touching on it or feeling it. He also said that there are days when his mind has racing thoughts where he thinks about everything and can't make it stop. After taking the vitamins he told me that he started seeing little improvements but he still hallucinates lightly. Does it mean that he still has mercury in his body which is not showing up on his hair tests?

I also wanted to ask you guys if I should give him Algin, Colloidal Silver and maybe do some bentonite clay baths?

He has no more amalgams in his mouth from what I can see, but he has like 4 or 5 crowns and I don't know whats under them. Taking the crowns off can be a painful procedure so I dont know if we should do anything right now. What you think?

Make sure he gets plenty of magnesium. Taking GTF chromium might also help. Adding plenty of cinnamon to his food might help. cinnamon helps balance blood sugar levels. Eating 4-6 small meals each day instead of 2 or 3 large ones will also help balance his blood sugar. Is he on a low carb diet? Perhaps he should increase his intake of B vitamins and vitamin c? Is he still drinking the licorice tea? Perhaps he should also be taking choline and carnitine supplements?

Has he done a parasite cleanse? If not, then imo he should do one. Getting rid of parasites might help him greatly. Many here have had parasites.


For most people, B vitamins and vitamin c are the best supplements to take for stress.

He is on Vitamin C, E, B50, B6, B12 + fish oil. You suggest magnesium in capsule form?

We have licorice extract or root drops but he's not using it. Do you think licorice tea is a better choice?

No he never did parasite cleanse but I've been noticing that my brother is losing weight and his bloated stomach is getting smaller. Not sure if thats a good thing.

He sleeps till 12pm most of the time because he likes to stay up late. So he has 2 meals a day which is not good.

What should we do about his crowns?? Remove them now or wait till he feels a little better mentally.

Thanks JK

He's also taking GABA and we want to get him GABA Plus.
I was thinking of giving him OSR because it helped him when he had those severe panic attacks in the beginning.

I read on Dr.Huggins site that B12 is not a good vitamin to take because it can move mercury around in the brain. Is that true?

Some people have claimed that vitamin B12 can methylate mercury. I am skeptical about that.

Magnesium can be taken as capsules, tablets, or powder dossolved in water. I suggest using magnesium citrate or magnesium malate. Magnesium needs to be spread out in a few smaller doses a day,
as taking too much at once can cause diarhea.

A decrease in weight and less bloating is good. Is he on a low carb diet?

Strong spices such as cayenne pepper, black pepper, garlic, horseradish, mustard, and cinnamon help kill candida and parasites. They also help with detoxification.

JK, Do you take B12? I just hope it wont do him any worst then he is now. Yes my brother is trying very hard to stay on Low Carb Diet. He's been avoiding sugars for a while now so thats good.
He actually likes strong spices pepper, mustard and sometimes horseradish.

What do you think about getting Gaba Plus instead of the regular Gaba? And OSR, Algin, Colloidal Silver?

All his problems are in his head right now.

Thanks Much!

I don't know much about GABA. I take plenty of B12. usually with a sublingual tablet under my tongue. The cayenne pepper, garlic, horseradish, and mustard help kill candida and parasites, and help detoxify the body.

Do you take cayenne pepper, garlic, horseradish and mustard in pill or liquid form?

We just did a complete blood work on my brother, and everything showed to be good except for glucose level which was 61. That's low.
Can that be related to mercury poisoning?

"Do you take cayenne pepper, garlic, horseradish and mustard in pill or liquid form?"

I put those on my food. Sometimes before it is cooked, and sometimes after.

How was his glucose measure done? Was the blood taken after not eating for 8 hours?

He actually ate 3 or 4 hours before the blood deposit. Doctor told him it was okay to eat.

He's a little foggy right now in his mind, we bought adrenal support pills and adaptamax from Natures Sunshine and purchased the Adrenal saliva test from diagnos techs.

Not sure if we should start him on adrenal support capsules or wait to get the results from diagnos techs first??

I read that the adrenals affect what goes on in our heads. Do you agree?

Guys would appreciate any suggestions for Brain Fog?

Thank you

Couple suggestions for you.

Increase brain circulation:

Ginkgo/Gotu Kola Concentrate w/Bacopa

TS II (with Hops)

These help me alot. I take 2 TS II daily and I can really feel the difference in energy and clarity of mind.

Russ Thanks,

I actually ordered Nerve Eight and Adrenal Support from your website a week ago. You don't think they will help?

The supplements that seem to help me the most are licorice root,magnesium malate, and olive leaf extract.

Is milk thistle good for brain fog?

Why Dr.Cutler is so against OSR and Chelorex(Dr.Greenberg's natural chelation formula)?? I just don't get it.

Andy has seen alot of backfires from random chelators/protocols, or ones that are pretty ineffective, so he is quite blunt and direct about his feelings on them.

There are alot of chelators and protocols out there making promises, and practioners with specific protocols/chelators of their own, but if mercury is moved around randomly and is not kept stable, it can wind up going anywhere and everywhere, which I and many others have experienced. There is a very real risk involved in the moving/removal of mercury. I went through alot of this myself. Not only with self experimentation, but trying methods employed by other practioners and I could not cope on them. I knew the mercury was definitely being moved around, but the symptoms were intolerable. I thought I had to go through that to get better and to a certain extent, I am sure I did release some of those toxins in the process, but at what risk? I really got very ill and I wonder if damage may have been done because of going through such extreme torment in hopes to get rid of a little mercury.

No protocol is perfect admittedly and what works for some, may not work for others, but Cutler's has a great track record, testimonies, and seems to work for alot of people. Perhaps not everybody will find his protocol suits them, but again, it's a pretty solid choice! Which is why I recommend it, and also by personal experience.

People have every right to try what they want. People do find other means/ways that has helped them, which is great, but I'd always exercise caution with anything.

About the OSR, parents on the OSR yahoo forum are reporting excellent gains with their children who are taking it.

I agree with you "Samh". OSR was used by my brother at one point and helped very much.

Guys just wanted to update you on my brothers status...

He's been feeling extremely fatigue lately, brain fog is still there and sometimes he feels nauseous. He's been very angry lately and telling me that someone poisoned him and there is no way he would get sick like that. I tell him it's amalgam related but he doesn't wanna agree. I feel so bad I can't take it anymore. I think I'm getting all these symptoms myself from paranoia.
Can someone recommend a doctor in the NY area that specializes in detox following Dr.Cutler protocol. I really want to help him but it's so hard because this cannot be cured in days or weeks.

He's taking ALA, Vitamin C, Vitamin B, Milk Thistle, Magnesium.

Hi Alex,

Please have him quit the ALA (rest of the supplements look fine). ALA is a brain chelator and if used too early on, can pull more mercury from the body/blood into the brain. That's why it's necessary to first reduce blood levels before ever using a brain chelating agent. DMSA is great for this.

It takes about 3 months for blood levels of mercury to reduce after all amalgams have been removed. DMSA can help that 3 months go alot easier than if you took nothing at all and is a good starter chelator because it can really help clear the body areas of mercury before one starts taking any brain chelating agent.

I know what this agony is like and like your brother, I was in a dire state. I got so bad in fact, I even suspected a member of my family MUST be poisoning me, because it wasn't possible to be this sick and stay this sick for so long. I even accused them of it. I can't even fathom I believed such a thing, but that's what it can do to a person.

I'm not sure who in the NY area would follow Culter's protocol, and hope someone might get on here and advise you. I did his protocol from his book "Amalgam Illness, Diagnosis and Treatment". I ordered DMSA and took it according to Cutler's instructions and then my behaviour began to "stablise" more.

Since that time however, Cutler has suggested people use a lower dose of DMSA than his book states, because it appears there are many people who cannot tolerate the higher dose levels until later as they are further detoxed. A dose of 12.5 mg is a pretty good way to begin. Then taking that every 4 hours around the clock for about 3 days, then take a break for 3 days (or more if needed) and repeat that cycle for a few months.

Cutler's book suggests 50 mg, every 4 hours, for one week on, and one week off as a break and repeating that for about 3 months. This will work yes, but it maybe far too much for many who are just starting. But the protocol remains the same. Just a lower dose and shorter time period. The book is very helpful. Quite complicated, but there is enough there that the layman can understand to get themselves well or at least much improved.

You think nausea and fatigue is caused by ALA?

I can't say Alex, unlikely to be the ALA itself, but the action of it from redistribution of mercury is possibility. Or at least it could be making things unnecessarily worse.

I only know that it is highly risky to use a brain chelating agent too early on and/or on a wrong protocol.

His symptoms may settle a little after stopping it, but they may not and he may need DMSA to start making things more stable.

I am of course guessing and it would be great if Andy Cutler would get on here as he has occassionally.

Bex thanks for your response. I forgot to mention one more supplement that my brother is taking. Lecithin. Dr.Cutler suggested it.

It be nice if Dr.Cutler could join my thread but he prefers yahoo boards.

you're welcome.

Yeah, would be great if Andy would get on. Perhaps you could copy and paste what you've told me here over there and see what response you get? andy may even reply to it too.

If you can get hold of some DMSA for your brother, he could start taking small doses of it, as long as he does it every 4 hours (which is the most important aspect). Not fun to wake up during the night, but it is necessary and worth it. If he can do that for at least 3 days on, and 3 days (or more) off and just keep repeating this cycle, he may find his symptoms become a bit more tolerable and hopefully will start noticing some positive improvements.

This helped me a great deal.

I have used it after getting a very bad backfire effect from another protocol/product I used, which mobilised mercury everywhere and made me horribly sick. And getting on the DMSA every 4 hour routine actually helped make things stable again.

In the end, I realised it was the only way I was able to chelate the mercury without going out of my mind.

Just an update to my friends here...

He's having minor memory loss, attention deficit, some brain fog and has hard time falling asleep at night.

Any new suggestions guys? It's been 6months since we removed the amalgams.

Thank you

ALA can cause candida to flare up. Is he taking any antifungals? Imo a potent olive leaf extract is good to take. So is molybdenum(500 mcg or 1,000 mcg a day). Make sure he drinks enough water.
taking DMSA together with ALA usually produces much less severe side effects than taking ALA alone. He should make sure that he eats enough fiber, as almost all the mercury removed by ALA goes through the bowel.

Is his diet good? Is he getting enough iron and copper? Does he get plenty of sunlight? If not, then perhaps he needs a vitamin D supplement? I take 2,000 units a day of vitamin D. Taking a carnitine supplement might help his energy level. Using a vitamin B12 nasal gel might also be helpful.

I have stopped using ALA and DMSA for now and am on a high dosage iodine(48 mg a day) regimen.

www.iodine4health.com

adrenals

Adrenals are part of the equation, but what is the primary cause?
Adrenal and thyroid problems may be due to mercury. It clogs the binding sites for essential metals. Is he taking selenium supplements? I am on a high iodine(48 mg a day) regimen. That plus some strong olive leaf extract seem to be helping me. I am feeling much better now than I was a few weeks ago.

Is he still nausious? I was very nausious when I was having my amalgams replaced? I think it may be due to the mercury. I noticed that when I became constipated during chelation, I felt much worse. Chelation causes plenty of mercury to move through the bowels, which can cause candida to overgrow. Is he taking olive leaf or other antifungals? The candida overgrowth and other dysbiosis contributes to the constipation many mercury toxic people have. Is he drinking licorice root tea? That helps with detoxification by increasing bile flow. It also stimulates the adrenals, and helps relieve constipation. Is he getting enough iodine,zinc, magnesium, iron, and copper?



http://iodine4health.com/special/metals/metals.htm
http://www.herbwisdom.com/herb-licorice-root.html

Thanks for your responses. He's taking fish oil, licorice and olive extract.

Right now he has pain under his crown that was put on recently. The tooth under it is dead having root canal done on it years ago. I read on one of the sites that you should yank the dead teeth because they grow bacteria etc... Do you think he should do that or leave it alone?

I myself have like 4-5 root canal teeth with crowns on them. I've been feeling sick lately too....high blood pressure, diarhea and nausea. I will probably start detoxing soon too...who knows I might have toxins in my body too

He should rinse his mouth a few times a day with very warm salt water(as warm as he can comfortably tolerate. Use one teaspoon of salt in a cup of water). This will help reduce the pain and help heal any infection that might be there. Often people have some discomfort after a crown is installed. This should decrease with time.

Diarrhea and nausea could be due to an infection. Are you taking in too much salt? If your blood pressure is high, you should not be taking in licorice root. Perhaps you should take extra vitamin c, olive leaf extract, and raw garlic. Are you taking in enough potassium? Fruits, vegetables, and milk are all high in potassium. Do you drink enough water? Even just dehydration can cause nausea. Parasites can also cause the symptoms you have.

So you think it's fine to have a root canal tooth in the mouth?

I will tell him about salt water rinse. Thanks

I'm going to a doctor today to get my blood work done just to make sure everything looks good. I take 2000+ a day , drink plenty of water but high blood pressure doesn't go away. I don't eat too many fruits and vegetables. I should start...I also took forkskolin which should help with high blood pressure.

"So you think it's fine to have a root canal tooth in the mouth?"

I have three of them. It isn't great, but the alternatives such as implants or bridges are much worse.

I get nausea when I take too many supplements. I am for supplementation but I have problems when I take too many.

If a root canaled tooth doesn't hurt , you should leave it alone . If the tooth hurts, it is probably infected and it needs to go . I had root canaled teeth that hurt but appeared normal on xrays for years until the signs of infection were apparent so just because x rays are normal doesn't mean the root canaled tooth isn't infected.

What do you have against implants JK ? Aren't they better than having a chronically infected root canaled tooth in your mouth ?

"I get nausea when I take too many supplements. I am for supplementation but I have problems when I take too many."

They need to be taken right after eating a large meal. You also need to take high quality supplements and avoid things like iron sulfate or calcium carbonate that can cause digestive discomfort. For iron supplements, use iron bisglycinate. For calcium, use calcium citrate or calcium ascorbate. Use niacinamide rather than niacin. Use a buffered form of vitamin c, such as calcium ascorbate or magnesium ascorbate.

Despite what many try to make you believe, only a small percentage of root canaled teeth are chronically infected. If a root canal is done improperly, it can get reinfected, and needs to be repiared, or the tooth extracted.

Sometimes people get pain or behaps the body tries to reject an implant. Getting an implant seems like a much more complicated proceedure than a root canal, and should be avoided, unless perhaps the alternative is having an empty space there or a bridge.

Often when a root canaled tooth hurts, it is an infection of the gum, and not the tooth itself. If all the nerves in the tooth were removed, I can't see how the tooth itself could hurt. I guess if a root canal is done improperly, some of the nerve remains.

I take calcium citrate and I take it and other supplements with meals and I taks ester C.

I have had root canals redone because of infection and they still hurt and had to be extracted. I did not have gum problems associated with these teeth . You make an interesting point that teeth that have had their nerves removed should not have anything left to get infected , but many of us have had root canaled teeth get infected for some reason.There might be organic matter left even after the nerve is removed that attracts bacteria.

"You make an interesting point that teeth that have had their nerves removed should not have anything left to get infected "

I didn't say they can't get infected, but without nerves to sense pain there can't be any pain. There could still be infection though. That infection could put pressure on or infect the gums or some other underlying structures that have nerves, and give you pain. From what I understand though, failed root canals are often due to part of the nerve not being removed, although they could be due to reinfection due to not being properly sealed.

My gums are not swolen. Usually if there infection you get pus and stuff. I thought about pulling the tooth but not sure now. I'm very sensitive to hot and cold temperatures. I think my headaches can be due to this tooth.
I had all my amalgams replaced 5 months ago. Also replaced 4 metal crowns on root canal teeth to metal free crowns.
I don't know what else to think...it could all be related to mercury...

Alex, rinse your mouth with warm salt water a few times a day. A tooth with a root canal is bothering you? How long ago was it worked on? Sometimes if takes a while for the tooth to settle down after a root canal. Sometimes if a root canal is done improperly it needs to be done over, or the tooth pulled. If it is not getting worse, then have patience, and keep rinsing a few times a day with salt water. It might settle down after a while.

There could be plenty of mercury within the gums or other structures near the teerg. My gums were guite irritated for a long while after my amalgams were replaced.

YES, I had a root canal on it 6-7 yrs ago but replaced the crown on it a few months back. I don't think it bothered me this much with the old crown.

I was reading an article last night about magnetic pulser therapy for root canal teeth by Dr.Beck
This doctor suggests that all root canal teeth should be pulled.
Did you ever hear about it ?

If you get the tooth pulled, what will you do to replace it, an implant or a bridge?

In my case at least, the discomfort after getting my amalgams replaced seemed to be infections of the gums and other mouth infections. They could have also been due to mercury being released from my jaw. Almost all the problems were around my lower teeth.

Have you done any chelation? Are you taking olive leaf extract?

Have you gotten a good dental cleaning recently? I had some painful dental cleanings, but after each cleaning my gums felt much better.

I had a cleaning last week actually. He cleaned around the crowns and they bled hard. He told me that I should floss more around them. The pain is still there.

I'm taking a good chelation multi vitamin supplement.

I got my brother the olive leaf extract and he's taking it. Why should I take it? Is it going to relief pain?

"I got my brother the olive leaf extract and he's taking it. Why should I take it? Is it going to relief pain?"

It might, or it might temporarily make the pain worse. If you have infections in your mouth, it may help cure them, but you may feel worse temporarily due to die off reactions candida or bacteria are being killed.

Do you rinse your moth with warm salt water? Rinsing with warm salt water, and using Listerine advanced helped me. I also like using 'The Doctors" brand platic tooth picks. I use them before I floss.

I started to rinse my mouth with salt water a few days ago. It kind of helps actually. I'm using regular salt. Is that okay?

Yes. Regular salt in very warm water is the best thing for rinsing your mouth. Use a teaspoon of salt in a cup of water, and use warmest water that you can comfortably tolerate. rinse your mouth a few times a day.

Don't understimate the healing power of salt water! Many people seem to ignore it, thinking it is so simple that it can't work. Salt water helps the gums get rid of everything that doesn't belong in the gums, including trapped food, and infections. It also helps sooth inflamed gums and reduce inflammation. Chamomile tea is another thing that helps sooth inflamed and infected gums.

Thanks JK. I read before that intake of regular salt is very bad for health and can cause cancer etc. Many people recommend sea salt. Can I used that instead?

I don't believe that regular salt is a problem, unless someone consumes too much of it. I guess for the general population iodized salt is better than plain salt, even though it has so little iodine, and some claim that only around 10% of the iodine in iodized salt is absorbed. For those who are so iodine deficient though, every bit helps. I use plain salt to rinse my mouth, and iodized salt for consumption. Sea salt is okay for consumption, but unnecessary to use for rinsing your mouth. Plain salt probably works better for that anyway.

My brother started to burp a lot lately. Can that be related to stomach bacteria/virus/parasite?

Many report a problem of burping when taking fish oil capsules. Is he taking these? If so, perhaps he should stop taking these or cut back on them? Perhaps he could take flaxseed oil instead?

Hi Alex,

I started alot of burping after I used a course of probiotics. And they are really deep, it sounds like a man after a beer. Kind of embarrassing to say the least, so I do my best to try and hold back, keep my mouth shut, but sometimes it'll slip out. I assume something was disrupted/displaced with the probiotics, because I had some really terrible reactions after them. So could be bacteria/toxic related.

It's not absolutely chronic, but it's noticeable, though mainly occurs after eating/drinking. This did not used to occur before the probiotics.

So perhaps there is a worse case of dysbiosis or something down there, who knows?

Yes he took many fish oil capsules. I guess that's it. I will tell him to ease off on them.

It is possible that some root canaled teeth can't be sealed . If there is a large fracture in the root , it may not be possible to seal the tooth.

Guys can house mold be causing nausea, diarrhea symptoms?

"Guys can house mold be causing nausea, diarrhea symptoms?"

House mold can make you very sick. My guess is that nausea from it could be very likely, however diarrhea from it might not be so likely.

If your home has mold, you need to deal with it. If it is not so bad, you can get rid of it with Tilex or bleach. If it is very bad, you might need to hire someone to fix the problem.

What about high blood pressure? Can mold cause that?

Why don't you do some Google searches? I guess mold can cause diarrhea if you swallow it, but probably not if you inhale it.
I doubt that it will cause high blood pressure. There are many different types of mold though. Some are very toxic.

I read that Cat's Claw helped this one guy get rid of brain fog. What do you guys think

Cat's Claw is a good supplement. I don't know how it would clear up brain fog, except perhaps by killing candida.

http://www.herbwisdom.com/herb-cats-claw.html

I remember reading about a dentist who used cat claw on his patients that had cavitations (hidden bacteria) in the mouth. He would do this before he did the surgery on them to help improve or even clear up many of their symptoms.

"Cat's Claw (Uncaria tomentosa)
Is a giant woody vine that grows in the Peruvian tropical forests. It has properties that help in resistant cases of imbalanced intestinal flora, infection, sluggish digestion, poor assimilation, and bile stimulation. It is very effective as an intestinal cleanser and immune system rejuvenator, possessing antimicrobial and antiinflammatory properties. It has the ability similar to white blood cells to engulf and digest harmful microorganisms. It is a good companion herb for treating most parasites except Giardia, which actually thrives when there is bile stimulation. It is virtually nontoxic, but should not be used by pregnant women. "

http://www.innvista.com/health/microbes/parasite/treatpar.htm

I have been taking cat's claw extract for a few days, and am getting a very strong reaction to it. Hopefully I am healing. It is too early to say if I am making definite progress from it.

JK, could be die off. It is apparently one treatment option for lyme disease, as well as candida/parasites (that you pointed out above). So should be interesting how things go with you.

Thanks for the extra info by the way.

Today I had my first nosebleed in several months. I took some extra vitamin K1, and plan to decrease my vitamin E intake to 200 IU a day from 400 IU, since I want to continue taking the cat's claw. I have been taking the cat's claw for a few days. I am taking the Solgar cat's claw extract 2 or 3 capsules a day. I did some research, and noticed that cat's claw is definitely an anticoagulant. Over the past few weeks my weight rose over 10 pounds. Since starting to take the cat's claw a few day's ago, I have lost around 10 pounds.

My advice for the cat's claw is to start off slowly, and be careful if you tend to have nosebleeds or other bleeding. In the past I have noticed that too much vitamin E(just 400 IU a day taken for a while) gave me nosebleeds. I guess that while on the cat's claw I should limit my vitamin E supplements to 200 IU a day.

http://www.rain-tree.com/catclaw.htm
http://www.ehow.com/list_6541523_cat_s-claw-contraindications.html

I am currently using Cat's Claw for Lyme. It really makes a difference.

You can have an infection in a tooth for years without any pus or swelling or any signs of the infection on x ray.If a tooth hurts for a long time, it is probably infected.

Lyme disease and all infectious diseases can be caused by many medications and by steroid hormones that lower immune response . You need to boost your immunity to fight infections.

Any idea why this is happening this way??

My brother says that when he wakes up he feels no brain fog but when he's on his feet as the day goes on it comes back.

He's taking Chelorex and it makes his head feel heavy like a brick so he told me he stopped. I'm thinking it could be due to his diet too because he eats like 1-2 times per day. Not too healthy either. He takes lots of vitamins plus Chelorex so I'm thinking it could also be related to overdose of vitamins.

"My brother says that when he wakes up he feels no brain fog but when he's on his feet as the day goes on it comes back."

Sounds like it could be hypoglycemia, dehydration, or perhaps a deficiency of sodium or potassium. In this hot weather, it is important to not just drink extra water, but also to take in extra sodium and potassium, as well as other minerals.

Is he eating well? Getting enough protein, vitamins, and minerals?

"He's taking Chelorex and it makes his head feel heavy like a brick "

Why use chelorex? Have you looked at its ingredients?

Serving Size: 18 Caplets
Servings per Container: 30



Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid) 1,000 mg 1,667%
Vitamin E (as d-alpha tocopheryl succinate) 400 IU 1,333%
Magnesium (as magnesium aspartate) 500 mg 125%
Zinc (as zinc citrate) 20 mg 133%
Selenium (as sodium selenite) 200 mcg 286%

Chelorex? Proprietary Blend 6.9 g *
MSM (Methylsufonylmenthane), Cracked Cell Chlorella, N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine, L-Glutamine, Taurine, Cilantro Leaf Extract and Alpha-Lipoic Acid.

http://www.detoxhealth.com/chelorexingredients.html

ALA needs to be taken every 3 hours to minimize redistribution.
Is he taking 18 capsules a day? It looks like 18 capsules costs around $3? Buying these ingredients separately allows more control over dosages, and will probably cost less.

He's taking vitamins in capsule form including olive leaf extract, magmnesium, vit c, e, fish oils. I don't think he eats enough protein and has a good diet. He eats 1-2 times a day(fast food) which is bad. He drinks enough liquids.
He was taking chelorex in liquid form not in capsule. He also got chelorex chelation multi vitamin formula. He was taking ala 2 a day.

We bought algin a while back. Will it help him w brain fog?

When he had his blood work done his glucose I think was low. Isn't that hypoglycemia?

He only eats 1 or 2 times a day? If he thinks he might have hypoglycemia, eating 5 or 6 small meals each day is the best idea. Also eating a low carbohydrate diet is important. Eating enough protein is very important.

One supplement that has helped me decrease the symptoms of chemical sensitivity is molybdenum. I take 1,000 mcg a day, but 500 mcg a day might be enough. Thorne makes 1,000 mcg molybdenum capsules. Carlson makes 500 mcg molybdenum tablets.

JK what do you think of Spirulina?

i also read that sesame oil and castor oil are good to massage the scalp.

Did anyone of you guys ever try doing that?

I never used spirulina. I think it is supposed to be very nutritious, but some people get a strong reaction to it.

I don't know if castor oil used externally is really helpful. Taken internally though, it can be dangerous.

Does taking melatonin help with brain fog/mercury toxicity in the brain?

I dont know if it can mobilize mercury in any way, but when I took it I've found that the brainfog got alot worse, allthough nothing permanent. When I stopped taking it, it only took a few days to restore relative normality, or as things was before, atleast.

I tried taking it at night as a natural sleeping pill for my insomnia, which it worked for, however it would always make me feel incredible hazy on the following day. Actually caught myself downright dreaming in awake states on several occasions, heh.

One of my friends had good effects(not incredible) taking it also for insomnia, dont think she is mercury toxic though. Maybe it would have worked on me to, if I have had the opportunity to "sleep it out" so to say.

"Does taking melatonin help with brain fog/mercury toxicity in the brain?"

No. Maltonin only helps at with insomnia. its effectiveness decreses over time, and larger and larger doses tend to be needed. I used it a number of years ago, but stopped using it as it stopped being effective. At higher doses, it can have plenty of side effects. Imo melatonin is not a good supplement to use.

Detox teas such as Triple Leaf Detox Tea and Yogi Detox tea might help alleviate brain fog, however imo the most effective supplement for brain fog is molybdenum.

I use melatonin for periods when I have trouble sleeping. It really helps with short-term sleep issues, but it does become less effective over several days, so short-term use is best.

so why does Cutler recommend it for mercury detox then???

I know that beans have lots of molybdenum in them.

Beans do have some molybdenum, but only around 125 mcg per cup. To get 500 mcg a day from beans means eating 4 cups per day. For 1,000 mcg it means eating 8 cups a day. Most people usually mix beans with other things, and only eat half a cup or a cup a day at most.

I told a friend that he should take at least 3 grams a day of vitamin C to help fight a sinus infection he has. He said that he eats oranges. I told him that to get 3 grams a day of vitamin C from oranges means eating 60 of them!

Guys I read on Dr.Cutler's site that Alka Seltzer GOLD can heal brain fog? Did anyone one of you's tried it ?