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dosages? I am going to speak on what happens to me even if I take too much Olive Leaf powder, a little garlic or even Kelp and Papaya etc. I wake up with numb hands and even some heart pain and anxiety if I take too much (Which is still a little to many) of something. I took Olive leaf at around 1/4 of a teaspoon for weeks and did fine, the TIME I take two in a day it's over, the heart beating, the tingling and numbness and twitches in the morning while trying to sleep. It is really disturbing and it did not used to happen this badly until recenly. I can use things slowly it seems and try to build up, but I would have to start out REALLY SLOW even on some fruits and Olive leaf etc. and build up. I talk to people and they have no clue what I am talking about nor can relate. I got to curezone and this guy Barefoot over there says it's from constipation and toxings not coming out moreso than the herbs or food but he did say things could get stirred up bigtime from cleaning and if it doesn't get fltered well in the kidneys or liver (CLogged) this could be the problem or digestion meaning consipation is what causes this and not the herb or food.



Should I just start out REALLY SLOW and see how things go and add things slowly? I hate this feeling and it is very scary, anyone have something similar? I guess when you cut good foods out for years and get toxi then add them back it could do this, I can see how.

PS it feels like upper chest pain at times and like you are dizzy when you get right up, I am fine unless I try something new or take too much of it at first. I was great until my Indian frined brought in TULSI and I ate a leaf yesterday and felt great, then the next morning BOOM it's all back. I guess too rapid cleansing for a toxic body? A parasite or bad digestion. I am just looking for answers.

PS the list of things that have done it (Olive Leaf in larger dose, Garlic, Kelp, Cayenne, Turmeric, Papaya and even Apples when I ate two in a day), anything you see here which would kill something in my body and make accumulations of things?

I know the whole sulfur thing and some are on there as far as Andy's list, but you would think Spirulina, Egga and Chlorella would do it as well then? They appear not to, atleast the Eggs and Spirulina which are high in Thiols.

Have you done a parasite cleanse? I man a proper one, with at least wormwood, black walnut green hull extract, and cloves? Imo it should be done for a month. Take just the recommended dosages though, don't overdo it.

Keep in mind the much of the mercury excreted is done so through the bile(especially with ALA), so if you are constipated while chelating, you might be reabsorbing plenty of the mercury. Eating plenty of soluble fiber while chelating will help reduce the recycling of bile and help get rid of mercury.

Tingling can be due to vitamin B12 or magnesium deficiency. Loading up on those may help. Some parasites cause vitamin B12 deficiency. taking plenty of vitamin A(20,000 units a day?)
will help fight parasites and prevent reinfection. Many here have had parasites.

eating plenty of hoshradish, mustard, and cayenne pepper will help get rid of parasites and candida. Yellow mustard also has turmeric added to it. You could add turmeric separately to your food.

One theory on sulphur is that it is essential to eat plenty of high sulphur foods for chelation to work well, otherwise the body will break down the chelators and use them as a sulphur source, and they won't be removing mercury.

NO NO PARASITE CLEANSE YET but someone told me to do a dewormer on the other board along with a thing called lower bowel balance! Both at the same time and lemons and other fruit like Oranges to help the kidneys and liver out. I will look into that JK, you are a genious at times man!

BTW THE Lower Bowel balance has Cayenne and Ginger in it etc., I got it form Curezone and it is to cleanse the bowel out and toxins! I take it a parasite cleanse and that at the same time might DO ME SOME DAMN GOOD? Good post man this is Gold to me because I have been searching for answers and you and that guy Barefoot say basically the same things. I have B12 spray and it is well absorbed, I do better on that and mag than most other supplements so I will add those daily and cleanse the bowel and do a parasite cleans, maybe thats my problem there man.

Thanks again bro your words are worth gold in here at times and you usually help me out when I post something first.

What else is in the bowel balance? Cayene and ginger are good.
One popular parasite cleanse is Humaworm, which has many different herbs. I used the Kroeger Wormwood combination, tohgether with the other herbs I usually use.The Wormwood combination is good for 2 weeks per bottle, so 2 bottles are needed for a one month cleanse.

INGREDIENTS: Barberry bark, Cascara Sagrada bark, Cayenne , Ginger, Lobelia herb, Red raspberry leaves, Turkey rhubarb, Fennel, Golden seal root, & Olive leaf.

Thats whats in the lower bowel balance, he also has a dewormer which has INGREDIENTS: Male bud, immature green hull & young twig of the black walnut tree, Olive tree leaf/rt. bark, Clove, Pumpkin seed, Wormwood, Raw Vinegar, Glycerin/Sorghum Alcohol, & wild oregano oil.

Use the dagon Lower Bowel cleanse first and then add Dewormer he says on there, he says Olive Leaf is the king of herbs! Add that daily he says. Peace and what do you think?

Cascara Sagrada bark and rhubarb are laxatives that contain
anthroquinones. Humaworm also has anthroquinone herbs though. Many feel it is not a good idea to use anthroquinone containing herbs. Some believe that the laxatives will help with a parasite cleanse, and especialy help get larger parasites out.

That formula might work well, although I prefer to avoid the laxative herbs though. The black walnut and wormwood are themselves also mild laxatives.

I am going to use it to get them out like you said, then do the parasite cleanse as well at the same time! Thats my plan.

BTW I need to go more, so that would not be bad. I get dirarreah yes but I am still very consstipated and can't get it all out.

Hi Sean,

This might be completely wrong, but I'm just curious about your dilemma here and wonder if "Salicylates" might be a cause? Sometimes mercury can cause the body to become hypersensitive to certain things contained even in healthy foods and set off some strange and sometimes alarming reactions.

There is also a risk to antifungal use (even naural antifungals). Antifungals can cause problems in someone mercury toxic because if they kill enough yeast at once, any yeast containing mercury release it into the blood stream.

I had this occur with a herbal antifungal. Though I got so ill, I had to use a chelator to get the metals out of me. I suffered cold sweats at night in bed, muscle twitching all over in different areas, some metal taste, and basically just felt very poisoned etc. Rather than just "die off" sick. I've had die off with diet and know what it's like, but an added antifungal at that stage set off something terrible.

I am unsure about all the foods you mention, because they are not all antifungal, at least not that I'm aware of. So I can't figure out what might be going on here. Apart from a particular chemical they may have contained that could be do something to you.

Sean, are you eating enough fiber? I eat plenty of vegetables.
I avoid herbs that have anthroquinones.

Apples had enough fiber for sure, yet they set me off too off two a day!!!! Papaya too set me off in just a few slices a day! Thats that. I feel it is not a dealing of fiber but the liever or Kidneys not filtering out enough die offs as once, and not so much fiber.

Are you taking any probiotics? I noticed that a lot of those ingredients are also antibacterial as well as antifungal. Probiotics should be taken after these supplements.

I have read quite a few digestion self-help books. And all of them revolve around some sort of healthily diet avoiding certain foods, avoiding toxins and rebalancing the bacteria flora. One of more helpful books that I have read has been “Listen to your Gut” by Jini Patel Thompson and “Restoring Your Digestive Health” by Jordan Rubin.

While chelating mercury most is expelled through the bowl movements and this will affect your bacteria flora as well.

I hope you are feeling better.

http://www.beatcfsandfms.org/html/HealYourGut.html

Very good link on some gut related issues, Sean- Ive had the same thing with extreme tingling/numbness in hands/feet and sometimes entire body to the point of complete paralysis for a short time, though i wasnt taking antifungals nor anything that kills any bad stuff so not sure whats going on there. A thorough gut-healing protocol probably starts with some colonics to clear the exit kinda thing (colon) for the rest of the cleansing/detoxing (liver,small intestine, metals,etc..). It seems colonic clinics have naturopaths there who are VERY VERY informed/knowledgable of all this stuff and know what needs to be done and in what order. I have an appointment at one next week so will post any helpful info.

I disagree with the concept of testing for parasites. The tests are very inaccurate and are costly. A much better idea is to do a one month parasite cleanse rather than testing. The cleanse should have at least these 3 herbs, wormwood, black walnut green hull extract, and cloves.

As for testing for aldehyde production, I think that is a waste as well, and taking 500 mcg- 1 mg a day of molybdenum supplements is the way to go. Thorne makes 1 mg molybdenum capsules.

I disagree about the statement on eggs. Imo eggs are an important source of sulphur, and many who are mercury toxic are deficient in sulphur. Some articles claim that sulphur deficiency might cause chelating agents to not chelate very much, but instead to be broken apart to provide needed sulphur.

magnesium malate is a much better supplement than magnesium oxide. It is much better absorbed. Magnesium malate is magnesium with malic acid. Malic acid will help relieve muscle pain.

Spices will also help with detoxification. I suggest using garlic, onion, cayenne pepper, ginger, mustard, horseradish,turmeric, cinnamon, dandelion, licorice root, peppermint, chamomile, etc.

I have gotten a lower tolerance for raw garlic than before, lately.

I can relate Sean, somewhat ofcourse.... I get dizzy from garlic sometimes, and only a tiny chunk of it, chewed raw...

Last night while going to bed i had an "asthmatic" like episode, coughing and coughing, a slime lump i couldn't quite reach in the throat.... and i couldn't get enough air after a while doing that.... anyway, when trying to sleep i had sleep apneas... or what its called... you get startled waked just before sleeping for not breathing.... so after an hour or so gasping for air like a fish on land and drinking a ton of water, i finally had had it.....

Kitchen.... f this i said.. now its enough.... i reached for the garlic, got back to bed... bit a few bites of it.. chewed... 3-4 minutes later.... whadda you now....
Breath got fine, feet muscle pains gone!, more relaxed, buuuuut, now shoulder aches for a little while, then dizzyness for a little while, and then came the calm, slime lump in the throat disapeared.... relaxed....... waked in the morning.... top shape! Garlic in the evening does that with me....

But my point.... i have reactions... and in the past i could eat a clove of garlic or more... no reaction... but now.... a few chips of a clove is enough to work as a STRONG medicine!!!

Btw... left hand got numb last night from the garlic too... forgot to mention...
However, fine today again.



We have to eat the good stuff yeah, can't leave that out, but we have to be careful....
However.. what i can't understand is:::::

Why do i tolerate less herbs when having less mercury in ME???

WHY DA abcdeF....... is it like that...... is negative proportional logic to me!!!!
Mercury sure is a beast!! THE f beast!!!!

Easier mercury mobilsing...... naaa....... hmmm...
It JUST AIN'T RIGHT!!

Less merc loaded body SHOULD answer to less reactions from potent medical herbs!!!!!!

ARRRRGHHH!!!

And i know my merc load is coming down!! Psoriassis is going away.... nailfungus is going away slow.... etc...... etc... etc...

So WHY!!?..... Is it because the merc is now in other areas in the body causing more damage when moved or mobilised??..... arghh...

Slow is the key in this... but....
well... same thing btw with those that have no longer amalgams left....
less garlic tolerance and stuff.... etc.....

To me it seems that the more poison we get out, the less herbal medicine we tolerate....

But that is not the case in countries like India, China, Thailand, and etc.... They eat those herbs all day, all life..... and no reactions.....

So does that mean that i still have HUGE loads of mercury still left in me?!
YES?! yes...

My point is.... is this thing something permanent with amalgam poisoned bodies.. i mean, get the poison out completely, but never again tolerate anti-merc-herbs??

THEY tolerate them.. Many of us tolerated those herbs.... but after we get amalgams out and start to detox or retox whatever... then we get better for a while... ups and downs.. etc.. you know da drill...... then..... we suddenly can't handle larger or normal doses of those same herbs no more......

WHAT IS THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

Ole, do you remember I mentioned this happened to me too? When I had amalgams, I could tolerate garlic FAR more. In fact, I liked how I felt on it quite often. However, once I started the amalgam removal process? After full amlagam removal, the reactions to garlic changed and became, at times, quite intolerable. Similar to taking one cap of DMSA.

I could not tolerate taking DMSA, unless it was Cutler's way. I consider this redistribution symptoms, rather than the product itself. Because the manner in which I took the DMSA made ALL the difference as I've mentioned.

But yeah, what causes this with garlic? Is it that mercury become much more easily mobilised after amalgam removal because the body goes from storage mode into detox mode? Cutler does mention that once all amalgams are out, the body does begin dumping mercury. So does garlic more readily bounce it around, since it's far more accessible?

Certainly I did start getting quite extreme reactions from it and other sulfur foods (but more from garlic) post amalgam removal. Other sulfur foods began to make me feel very sickly and toxic, which was also mobilisation, but nothing compared to how incredibly strong garlic was.

Yeah Bex, you were one of those i had in mind when saying those things above...

So... Garlic taken Cutler style then?... hehehehe...

I know... about garlic... in comparison to raw ordinary onions for instance..
It's like garlic is in a class for it self...

But remember.... garlic is a multi function herb!
Fungacide, antiviral, "bacteriacide", homocide?? nah... hehe.... humor, but seriously again...., blood thinner, mercury mobiliser / chelator, immune strenghtener via amongst others the bio active selenium and etc...... and so much much more!

Is it then.... candida die offs with candida merc that gets released due to garlic, or is it candida native toxins from die offs, or is it just non-candida merc mobilised?, or is it... who knows what........

The point is... i belive i can safely go on doing this because i sauna now and then, and i now use the toilet daily too.... thanks to squatting..... better elimination.... i drink mostly only water.. all day...... etc......

yadda yadda yadda....

Have a nice day...
Point is.. i'm fine today.... i have an up... (Thanks to the garlic yesterday, until the dust (mercury) settles again...)

So.... :):):)

envy...

Yes Bex maybe it is somewhat Mercury getting stirred up or some severe die offs from a parasite or Candida being I get this from Olive Leaf too and that is not high in Thiols or Sulfur, yet I can get the exact same reaction of Vertigo and the waking up with heart beating fast etc. Oregano Oil can do it as well, those are not sulfur foods so I drew the line.

Anything that is strong or can cleanse well I have this with, this guy named MH on Curezone who has his own board says it's constipation from the die offs and not getting that stuff out after you kill it, not the herbs but that mianly. He also mentions you have to have your liver and kidneys going well or else you can't get alot of the toxins out and thats trouble. Blood flow is key he also says.

I looked at it as Mercury at first being stirred up until I got it from Cayenne in certain amounts annd Olive leaf as well, then I linked it to Candida and Parasites since he basically said and it makes sense that it's die offs or constipation from it making your body low in Oxygen or a lower PH, that made alot of since there.

Thanks to all who have posted, keep it coming.

Someone else had this problem on Curezone, he answered it well here.

YOUR SYMPTOMS SOUND LIKE LOW pH OR LOW OXYGEN AND A HUGE KILL OFF COULD CAUSE THAT, BUT I WOULDN'T THINK IT WOULD EFFECT YOUR HEART THIS WAY, UNLESS THE VALVES HAD WORMS, ETC.....SO SINCE WE CAN ONLY GUESS AND YOU STILL WANT THE PRODUCT, THE STANDARD IS TO CUT YOUR DOSE IN 1/2 AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT AND KEEP REDUCING UNTIL YOUR "OK" WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING AND NEVER GET IN A HURRY OR FEARFUL, BECAUSE THE ER FOLKS THRIVE ON THAT.

MH

I dig that!! Theeeeeeeeey thrive on th...at...

I know....
Hehe..

You could try adding more detoxifying herbs like licorice, dandelion,and milk thistle. I stopped using the olive leaf extract recently since I was getting die off reactions that were too strong. I think I will try using MSM again, perhaps just on my off days. Although I am starting to think that perhaps I should be taking it all the time? MSM is said to help with detoxification. Are you taking molybdenum? I think molybdenum is very important for aldehyde detoxification. A dosage of 500 mcg to 1 mg a day is good. Several brands only make 150 mcg, and taking 3-7 of those a day is not cost effective. Thorne makes 1 mg capsules, that are only around $6 for 60. You could take one or half of one a day.

I started taking carnitine, 1,000 mg a day. I suggest that all those who don't eat much beef or pork should consider taking it, as other foods contain very little of it. While the body can synthesize it, it may not do so in adequate amounts. It helps with fat metabolism, and energy production, as well as cognition, and the circulatory system.

Yeah Olive Leaf can kill alot off and make you feel pretty bad, I can relate there. I can use Parsley which is a good cleanser in some tea, I actually like it and it is a good cleanser.

I have empty vege caps I can pack with the powder Dandelion and Milk Thistle seed powder I have, thats an idea I have been toying with for a while. That would be a good combo IMO.

I don't take Molybdenum right now JK, just trying to be simple for a while and not add too much because thats how I end up all over the place and back to square one. I need to take something for a while and get the benefits of it, thats the only way I will succeed on something.

Right now I take the bowel balance thing with those herbs in it I put up before, Olive Oil at night, Molasses for Minerals, A lemon in water a day, An orange a day, Parsley for the Kidneys and not much else. I will add the Milk Thistle and Dandelion for the liver soon, good lord that Organ is so abused and so important for everything.

BTW Cayenne and Ginger are in the Bowel Balance I use, Echinacea too I believe, good stuff for cleansing.

Hi Sean,

Yeah, it could be a combination of these factors. But Sean, even if you are not using stuff that mobilises mercury (sulfur), if you use antifungals of any kind to kill off any fungus/yeast etc and the yeast themselves happen to contain heavy metals (yeast can hold its own weight in metal), the antifungal splits the yeast cell open and any contained heavy metal is then released into the blood stream, along with the die off toxins.

I have read before that to kill candida with antifungals when a person is mercury toxic, is not only foolish, but potentially VERY dangerous. They claimed it can cause acute poisoning.

Antifungals kill on contact and release an enormous amount of toxins from die off at once. Overloading the organs of elimination and often making the person much sicker in the process. So what that guy said makes a lot of sense.

I think natural antifungal type foods maybe ok, if eaten as foods but even then they can be very potent and the person will need to have prepared themselves first. To me, supplement antifungals are potent/concentrated and that's when I got my horrific reaction and it was only a herbal/natural preparation.

The diet alone was never a problem, apart from the intial die off which did make me feel bad, but never acutely poisoned like the antifungal.