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Hi there

Just wondered if anyone has experience using chorella; bentonite clay and powdered zeolite for heavy metal detox after amalgam removal.

Would these be sufficient or is it also necessary for something like Bioray's NDF to clear the central nervous system?

Many thanks

I've had some experience with chlorella and NDF. My opinion is mixed because the symptoms I had from them have been mixed. Sometimes I felt better, but often they produced far too many symptoms and more than I could usually cope with. I guess it is different for everybody.

I do not have proper functioning detox pathways (liver phase I and II) and this produces big problems with toxicity, even mild exposures. So I am what is known as "a pathological detoxer". This may have much to do with my extreme symptoms when trying to eliminate mercury. So any product that served to stir things up, rather than escort things out, was often intolerable for me.

I found the same with most products that detoxed mercury. I finally found the Andrew Hall Cutler protocol and was able to, for the first time, tolerate a method of detoxing mercury. His worked by using a chelating agent (DMSA and later DMSA with ALA) on a frequent dose schedule. I.e. every 3-4 hours around the clock. This was done to keep the blood levels of the chelator even in the blood stream (after 3-4 hours, the levels decline, so this is why it's advised to keep dosing every 3-4 hours for a few days). This helps keep the movement of mercury more even/level, so that more of it is removed, rather than shifted around by dramatic ups and downs of dosing and levels of chelator in the blood stream.

This was really the better way for me to start detoxing mercury. I'm just one of those people that do not have proper functioning liver phases and this proves to be serious when it comes to toxicity and detoxing. Though chlorella/NDF are healthy products and may really help somebody feel better and indeed help some detox their toxins/metals, they may not be the way for everybody, because when you deal with mercury, you're dealing with something that is one of the most toxic elements known to human beings and merely shifting it around or pulling it out of tissues and it's then mobilised in the blood stream, may not be readily removed by an already overburdened body and instead may settle in other areas (brain being one). However in saying that, a biologic dentist in my country whom is one of the best, uses NDF on his patients with what he feels has been "successful". So again, people like me maybe the exception rather than the rule, but it is still risky business!

As with anything, start slow, start small and test reactions and see how you go. I personally would recommend the Cutler protocol, but I also did much experimenting before I finally stuck mainly with his. I believe there are many things that a person can do that come together to aid in the overall detox of the body. Diet, moderate exercise, heat induced detox (hot baths with epsom salts/sea salt/baking soda) / saunas, cleanses of various kinds like parasite/bowel/kidney/liver etc, supplementation like antioxidants/essential fatty acids/iodine, etc and products to help the body eliminate the toxins/metals.

Thanks for that Bex, helpful indeed.

Have been taking liquid zeolite and although i had a few side effect symptoms the first day or so, after that i dont feel anything at all - which makes me wonder whether it's doing any good at all. Haven't yet started the chlorella or NDF.

I've read so much about DMSA but am not sure whether its available in the UK and if one can get it without a medical practitioner's prescription.

My actual toxicity symptoms - some of it feels like an improvement eg the brain fog is lifting but others like the hypoglycaemia and joint pain (mainly in the wrists) seem to be worse - a case of getting worse before getting better perhaps.

How does one actually know that the mercury is being eliminated and does anyone know the best way to test
after a detox to see what the level of toxicity is?

Thanks

hi all

i've just found and read the sticky thread on the Cutler protocol using DMSA and checked out the links for purchasing DMSA in the UK...(thanks Russ and Bex for the invaluable info).

just a bit confused about how to take DMSA precisely - is it every alternate day and no mineral supplements on the DMSA day?
i assume this would include not taking natural supplements like chlorella, iron, calcium etc, right?

i already have chronic iron defiency so am a bit concerned about the effect DMSA will have on this. look forward to hearing what people have learnt from their own experiences using DMSA.
thanks

Hi Seeker,

You're welcome. Sorry I've not replied sooner to the earlier post you made.

You take the DMSA everday according to Cutler's protocol - and every 3-4 hours around the clock (which means taking doses during the night also). Do this for approx 3 days, (or if you wish, up to a week), then take the same amount of time off (or longer if you require) as a break (e.g. 3 days on, 3 days off, one week on, one week off, whatever suits you). This cycle is repeated for approx 3 months and then you can add in ALA (alpha lipoic acid), which can chelate organs/brain. DMSA is the beginning chelator to clear the blood stream and I think tissue, of mercury. Which is advisable before using a brain chelator.

You can take mineral supplements on the DMSA day. In fact, he advises people take supplements continually (antioxidants/essential fatty acids included), to help with the stress of merury toxicity and chelation.

He does not recommend chlorella. not sure about calcium/iron though. You can take magnesium/calcium if you wish (best in equal ratios), B complex is recommended (balanced if you can and split up so you can take it approx 3-4 times daily), vitamin C the same (split up to 3-4 times daily), vitamin E (once or twice a day), magnesium (3-4 times daily), milk thistle (3-4 times daily), zinc (once or twice a day). This is not a rigid supplement protocol, just some basics that can help.

I found selenium and iodine to be important also in mercury toxicity, but start slow as it can stir symptoms because it's one element that mercury competes with for binding sites (though mercury competes with other minerals also). But these two seem particularly depleted with mercury poisoning. They can aid the thyroid gland, which mercury is known to affect.

As for DMSA dosage amount. The dose will depend on your level of toxicity and reactions to detox. Start low - about 12.5 mg if you can. 25 mg maybe ok, but some people are so toxic, they cannot handle anymore than 12.5 mg to start. Some cannot even do that and start as low as 6 mg or so.

This can be annoying because the lowest i've seen DMSA is about 25 mg capsules, but most are higher doses. So you need to split them up.

Hal Huggins by the way recommends mercury toxic people get enough animal protein in their diet. This apparently helps with detoxification of mercury and the raw materials of protein and animal fats like butter, help with healing. Getting off sugar/wheat/gluten/yeast is also often helpful, because alot of mercury toxic people suffer with candida and often wheat/gluten allergy. Just those dietry eliminations alone can make the world of difference to some people. Doing this can also help the body begin to absorb other nurtients much better, as well as detox better and build immunity. As long as good foods are consumed as well.

Thanks Bex and apologies for late reply

How does one know that a particular detox supplement is actually doing the work? Is one meant to actually "feel" the mercury being pulled out?

I'm just concerned that everything I've tried thus far has not actually left me with any specific symptoms of detoxing. I dont really know what's working and what's not and am now wary of spending any more money on yet another detox supplement.

Also, with DMSA what are the symptoms of either taking too little or too much?

thanks again