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You're welcome Steve A certain amount of detox symptoms is normal and often unavoidable - especially in the earlier stages of detox. Sometimes even when taking just general supplements to boost detox at first can cause a surprising amount of symptoms (at least it did with me). I guess because one can be so full of mercury and other toxins that anything that stimulates "any" increase in detox power can cause an increase in symptoms and if you're already bad enough, it doesn't take much to make you feel worse.

But when those symptoms become acute and utterly intolerable? That's where there's a problem and I had this often when experimenting with chlorella or taking chelating agents incorrectly. when detox symptoms get to the point where you're screaming and ready for a psyche unit, you know something is very wrong.

The fact you can tolerate sulfur foods and your low in sulfur might indicate then that it's beneficial for you. I reacted strongly to sulfur foods in the beginning, but usually detox symptoms. However, if I took really strong supplement products containing high sulfur? E.g. garlic, chlorella, etc? I would get extreme symptoms and couldn't tolerate them very much. So I guess it's a case of experimenting and finding out what one can handle. Sulfur is healthy but it can have it's risks if it's mobilising too many toxins at onetime. I usually find concentrated supplements high in sulfur are worse than the foods like eggs/onions, even though they too can be problematic for some. Again, they may not be a problem.

I don't see the problem with the supplements you're already taking, as long as you handle them ok. NAC can be fine to take and benefits liver detox. If it causes too many problems, then it may not be for you. Selenium the same. There will always be a certain amount of redistribution as replacing needed elements displaces mercury to some extent and some will become mobilised. Even exercise will do this. Iodine can do it also. I've experienced what happens when I replace needed elements/minerals and that alone does displace some toxins and metals. Be careful of taking supplementary sulfur amino acids like cysteine and glutathione, these are apparently contraindicated in the mercury toxic person. Taking this in the concentrated supplement form, may worsen the toxicity and make a person much worse.

Yes, you can naturally detox extracellular mercury (mercury on the outside of cells, in the blood stream etc)out over time, even if you did not take chelating agents. So some people definitely do experience improvements over time, despite no chelating. Some might wish to take DMSA to help this process along and help with the symptoms it can cause. The problem is the leftover stored mercury in the brain and organs (intracellular mercury) which is a bit like a time bomb waiting to go off. If there is enough of it, it will definitely start to create problems. Usually the blood stream clears of mercury initially following amalgam removal and people can experience improvement. Problems can hit later on as the second phase of suffering (so it's called) can kick in. Where the deeper storage of mercury begins to loosen and leak out slowly. It's like being "repoisoned" and sometimes worse than how one might have felt initially with amalgams. Because the body, having no more amalgam, begins at some point to go from storage mode into detox mode. I have experienced this and it was awful. I didn't know about proper chelation or the second phase of suffering that can hit later down the track. I had amalgams removed in 1994. Felt worse for a time due to exposure during removal and swallowing some amalgam. But then started to feel better after a bit of DMSA (though taken improperly). Then I quit and stayed much the same. Not healthy, but I felt "ok" and was none the wiser.

I had no idea that the deep storage of mercury was still there and my body was about to start trying to dump it back out. It took about a year or so before this began to happen. Some people get it sooner, like 6 months post amalgam removal. I guess it's different for everybody.

I was pretty devastated by it when it hit, because I didn't know what was going on and had no idea it was my body's attempt to now try and deal with the storage of mercury. Problem is, it's very slow, very difficult and the brain will not detox properly on its own without a brain chelating agent apparently, so most of it will stay there up to a lifetime.

Some people may not have a heavy storage of organ mercury and may notice improvements much quicker than somebody else and remain improved from then on. But others who have years of stored mercury? Usually they will have to chelate for months, perhaps some years before they start to get well again.

ALA may worsen symptoms, or in some cases, it may give improvements. That could be because it's chelating mercury and "keeping" a person feeling better by grabbing the mercury before it builds up again. Or it could be the general antioxidant effect, because it's good for the liver. Or perhaps both. So it's usually hard to tell what's going on, unless perhaps proper testing is done to find out.

You can take up to 200 mg of ALA according to Cutler's book and up to a week or so of chelating. Not sure if 2 weeks is wise, because there is the interrupted sleep etc. The body, because of chelation stress, can use up nutrients/minerals during the time you're chelating, so it's necessary to take the breaks, but supplement things like B complex, C, vitamin E, zinc, magnesium, milk thistle, essential fatty acids etc the entire time you are on and off chelation. You must take the B complex, C, magnesium, milk thistle up to 3-4 times daily to gain benefits from them. The others can be taken once or twice a day. And other supplements you feel benefit you. That is just a basic supplement plan from Cutler's book.

You can actually feel better very quickly if you are taking the right stuff as you are chelating the mercury at the sametime on a proper protocol. But be careful, as sometimes "feeling better" or even feeling "cured" may not be reflecting reality. You can be simply doing the right things to help you feel good, but still may have significant mercury to chelate out of you. Sometimes you have to keep going with chelation for sometime, even after you 'feel' well to make certain!

Sounds like your diet is good. Coconut oil is really healthy apparently, not only is it antifungal, but very nutritious. I really did find the animal proteins and fats an aid to me. I think the animal protein helps with supplying amino acids as well and I know that beef contains lipoic acid! As well as broccoli and yeast (though I'd not personally advocate yeast products with a candida problem - though some say some of them are ok).

I would personally recommend this group here also for finding out alot of very good information regarding Cutler's protocol and mercury poisoning and what to do for it, what to take, how long you could extend the rounds of ALA etc. I'm on that group myself, though I don't frequent it much these days, but the people there are very well informed on this protocol, tests to have done, hormone levels, hair mineral levels etc:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/

Hi! I hope everything works out the best way possible for you. You said you're taking DMSA+ALA at 25mg and 50mg - how often are you waiting between doses?

Hey Steve,

Going "ok" thanks for asking, but struggling with this persistant parasitic infection (as well as my usual candida). So things are complicated. I have had to wait before I do another round of ALA, due to the fact this parasite appears to feed off so many things, including supplements (apart from parasite cleanse), so yeah, this is not making things easy. Plus I ate some roasted nuts the other day, which has made me worse and I need to recover again before doing another ALA round. So I'm going through what seems to be the usual "die off/healing" symptoms I get. Frustrating! But I did do 100 mg of ALA every 3 hours (every 4 hours during the night) for 3 days straight, so I'm quite happy I could do it!

The only symptoms I noticed, apart from yeast/parasite flare ups, was general tiredness and aching, which is not unexpected during mercury chelation, both from the detox and minerals being used up more during the process I guess. I cannot take supplements because of the parasite, so it makes it more difficult, as supplements help provide the antioxidant/mineral support required with this toxicity and during the stress of chelation.

Yep, redistribution is inevitable at the end of each round, but thankfully its not something major and then you rest, which allows things to settle before your next round. Longer rounds would likely be better yes, but NOT if they're not tolerable. It is better to find a dose and length of round that allows you to keep functioning, so you're able to do regular rounds. Rather than do a high dose or really long round and then suffer for it, not able to chelate again for sometime.

You can do 2 weeks. I've done some reading on the other forum and 2 weeks is the limit for ALA chelation. But that is a very long period of time and I concur with JK's comments that slow and steady is what works and the way to go. Rather than a race, think of it as a marathon (I've heard this said I think it's good to remember). A week off maybe ok, but is that enough for you as a rest period? Usually it's advised to take as much time off as one has spent on the chelator. Definitely keep up the antioxidants/mineral intake constantly. Make sure you're taking the water soluable supplements 3-4 times daily (4 times if possible). They get used up quickly, so it's necessary to take them regularly during the day. Split them up if you need to, so you avoid overdosing. This is Vitamin C, B complex, specifically.

I had listed a number of testimonies regarding Cutler's protocol somewhere on this forum and I used to keep it in my documents, but now I have another computer and don't have them. Though you can do a search on the forum for "cutler protocol testimonies" and hopefully you'll locate them. Or you could go to the frequent dose forum (in the link I gave) and check out the links/files section. I am sure there will be plenty of testimonies there and new ones that I didn't get that you can check out. I guess it's different for everybody how soon they get well and how difficult that process might be. For me, it tooks many months, actually a few years to start improving, but I have to admit, I didn't even chelate properly until the last year or so, which I now attribute to speeding my improvement. Again, I only did DMSA, which is not enough. In fact, DMSA is optional - ALA is essential. It is the deeply stored organ mercury that one must eventually get to after body/blood burden of mercury has cleared and that's why ALA is necessary. So of course, just because I "felt" better, didn't mean I was and leaving much of the mercury behind I believe caused future problems for me - suseptible to chronic viral/bacteria illness and possible hidden jawbone cavitations (which can then hinder mercury excretion). So my response to chelation now is not so great and not so obvious!

So I do the ALA on and off these days, but not often enough, as I find the gut problems I suffer very difficult.

The liver pathway problem I think has been there for many many years, but worsened due to other health problems coming onboard. So a tendency has become something much more intense due to other loads on my body. I don't know if the ALA will help that, but it might eventually. Supplements can help - like support for the liver phases - helping to speed up phase II. But as I said, I can't really take supplements right now or I just feed this parasitic problem, which then puts extra burden on me and defeats the purpose. But I used to take them and I believe it did indeed help somewhat. But the problem still remains.

12th day on chelation? Wow! I would strongly advise not to alter doses DURING the chelation round. It is better to find a dose and stick with the same dose throughout the round. If you find the dose too high and you feel too ill, stop the round, wait for few days or longer (about the sametime you've spent on it) and then try again on a lower dose. OR, if you find the dose too low during the round and have done a few rounds already on the dose with NO problems, and you feel you could up the dose, don't do it until you have finished the round, rested and about to start a new round. THEN you can try the higher dose on the next round. But if you decide to up or lower doses during rounds, this can contribute to redistribution because the dose of the chelator has altered suddenly in the blood stream.
So it's advised to not only keep a steady 3 hour regime, but a steady dose of the chelator during the round. As you want to reduce redistribution as much as you can and not make unnecessary sudden changes.

Yeah, too much exercise is not always good for you when you got a bunch of mercury in your body. Keep it moderate. I do treadmill walking about 3-4 times a week (for about 30 minutes a session), then some push ups and things and maybe a bit of rebounding, but I find if I start jogging on my treadmill? Though I may feel ok "at the time", I cop it later as it's like unleashing and stirring up a load of metals/toxins at once and my poor system can't keep up and process it. At least, that's how it feels. Yet, I NEED exercise to get things moving at the sametime. It's about creating that balance and that balance will be different for each person. But at least you're trying! Hehe, yeah, I know what you mean about feeling fat. I think it's mainly this diet plan and moderate exercise that is keeping me at an ok weight. I've also knocked off my weekly roast pork consumption as I suspected it may not be doing me any favours. not sure if it's coincidence, but I appear to have lost a bit of weight and that's the only change I made....I hate to speak too soon though But it seems to make me strangely tired after eating it, so that maybe a warning sign in itself. I eat beef, lamb, chicken and do fine on them.

I also get the gut bloating, especially during and maybe after ALA. I am honestly not certain what happens here, but I do know that ALA excretes mercury via the bowel/gut? So your idea that it maybe moving mercury from the brain through the gut is definitely a possibility. Some chelators excrete via the kidneys/urine, so I think the action of chelating mercury from ALA may well flare up yeast/dysbiosis conditions as it's moving the metals via the gut/bowel. I'm not sure whether ALA directly does it (possibly somewhat), but I do know that when I use it, I do get increase in those problems. I get a feeling of bloating and even heat, so perhaps it's stirring up toxins in those areas, pulling toxins through those areas, and in doing so, yeast also.

Either way, one may have to lower the dose if things become too uncomfortable. Chelate so you can still get on with life and continue to do regular rounds. Keep up the support supplements as mentioned and treat yeast/parasites as needed to help you feel more comfortable and healthy, as those problems if left untreated can make matters so much worse. Good thing you got time on your hands, so you can concentrate on your health and chelating the mercury.

The high hair mercury level means that your body was excreting plenty of mercury. I guess you were taking plenty of ALA before this? Those who are most mercury toxic are those who excrete little mercury. Being able to do a 13 day round at a high dosage with minimal side effects means you probably already got rid of much of the mercury.

Don't increase the DMSA dosage too rapidly, as it can cause diarrhea. Imo the max dosage for DMSA should be around half a mg per pound, even though some say to take up to 1 mg per pound. DMSA might be what caused the bloating you experienced. NAC can also cause digestive side effects. DMSA is much less toxic than DMPS,however it is still quite a bit more toxic than ALA. Also keep in mind that DMSA does an even better job chelating lead than mercury(it also chelates cadmium and arsenic) so any chelation symptoms you experience when increasing the DMSA dosage could be due to mobilizing these other metals and not so much from mercury.

The high hair mercury level means that your body was excreting plenty of mercury. I guess you were taking plenty of ALA before this? Those who are most mercury toxic are those who excrete little mercury. Being able to do a 13 day round at a high dosage with minimal side effects means you probably already got rid of much of the mercury.

Don't increase the DMSA dosage too rapidly, as it can cause diarrhea. Imo the max dosage for DMSA should be around half a mg per pound, even though some say to take up to 1 mg per pound. DMSA might be what caused the bloating you experienced. NAC can also cause digestive side effects. DMSA is much less toxic than DMPS,however it is still quite a bit more toxic than ALA. Also keep in mind that DMSA does an even better job chelating lead than mercury(it also chelates cadmium and arsenic) so any chelation symptoms you experience when increasing the DMSA dosage could be due to mobilizing these other metals and not so much from mercury.

I haven't been doing so well lately. How are you doing?

Vitamin B12 shouldn't cause adverse side effects, unless perhaps your body is very starved for it and you are very anemic, in which case you might go into overdrive making new red blood cells after you take the B12. I take a B12 2,000 mcg sublingual tablet a day in addition to the B12 in my B complex supplement and what is in my diet. If you are anemic, it is a good idea to take folic acid, iron, and vitamin c as well.

Parasites and/or candida overgrowth can greatly decrease B12 absorption from the gut. That is why sublingual(dissolving under the tongue) or nasal B12 can be very helpful.

"is it mainly mercury poisoning your dealing with or something else?? "

I think it is mercury poisoning, however I can't be sure. I haven't been to any doctors lately. I went to many doctors when I first become ill many years ago. They did many tests, and had no idea whar was wrong with me.

My main symptoms are extreme fatigue, chemical sensitivity, and fibromyalgia. Notice that I listed fibromyalgia as a symptom. Others think it is a disease. I was told many years ago that I have chronic fatigue syndrome. My blood tests didn't point to anything specific, but just showed mild anemia and some immune system abnormalities, but didn't point to any specific diseases. I went to some immunologists, rhumatologists, and
many internists. They couldn't explain why I had hose symptoms.
Many years ago I asked one doctor if my illness could be from my mercury fillings(I had 25 of them). He ordered a blood test for mercury which didn't show anything.

Just a few years ago I found an article that tied together all my symptoms with mercury poisoning.

http://www.flcv.com/cfsfm.html

After reading that I became more confident that my primary problem is mercury. Some recent articles tie CFS to some viruses, however I believe that CFS is caused by mercury, and those associated viruses are opportunistic, and can cause infection when the immune system is damaged by mercury. This would also explain the chemical sensitivity and symptoms from candida overgrowth.

"The anemia is possibly true as well since for 2 days out of every week i wake up with body temp at 95f or lower."

I had trouble with low body temperature for quite a while. I took 50 mg a day(that is 333 times the RDA) of iodine for a few months, and my body temperature got back to normal. Some people believe that mercury can clog the iodine binding sites on the thyroid. Another theory is that mercury causes selenium deficiency since the selenium in the body attaches itself to mercury and becomes unavailable. Selenium is needed for the conversion of T4 to T3. I also took 200 mcg a day of selenium supplements, but then later switched to eating brazilnuts instead(they are very high in selenium). I eat just 3 or 4 brazilnuts a day. Eating too many brazilnuts can give you a selenium overdose.



I used Source Naturals Potassium Iodide tablets. Some people use Iodoral, however that is much more expensive.

http://www.iodine4health.com/