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I'm 170 punds, and I want to know what my daily doses should be. Also, my mercury is causing mental symptoms, does this mean only ALA can help the mental symptoms? Because I did 4 cycles of DMSA and felt no mental symptoms. - Mike

I dont understand your message here Wallace ...

Your message:
-So you have mental symptoms as you put it
-You have been on 4 cycles of DMSA and this has made the symptoms (mental) go away completely?
-You have not done any ALA yet?

I think many of us here and elsewhere are doing this as mainly trail and error with a little data to back us up.

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hey Dulak, my mental symptoms are still here after doing the DMSA for 4 cylces. In order for mental symptoms to go away that are being caused by mercury, do I need ALA?

I dont know that much about DMSA (I might look into it myself actually) ...

ALA might help more then DMSA; and it could take a long time to remove symtpoms from what I hear.

If you are sure that the symptoms are from mercury poisoning dont give up.

I spent 12+ years trying to figure out what caused my symptoms (and honestly I'm still not sure if its mercury or what); but it's the only thing I have to go on so here I am ...

you asked about doses of ALA ... what people usually suggest is to start out real low (some people can react to even very small doses ie 25 mg) - and others can take 200 right away.

I think Dr. Cutler has a proceedure for using DMSA and ALA at the same time. Just be careful with how much chelating agents you use.

Cutler says ALA is one of the few agents that moves mercury out of the brain. Cilantro does as well, but Cutler is a scientist and wants to know exact dosages, which can't happen with cliantro the way it can with ALA. Thus, Cutler does not recommend using cilantro, but using ALA.

Cutler also says you need to use ALA after reducing the body load of mercury or else taking the mercury in the brain and adding to the load already in the body will only result in overload where the mercury may be redustributed back into the brain.

He also believes the load of ALA, as well as the chelating agent DMSA or DMPS needs to be fairly constant or symptoms will get worse. Thus, it is known as the frequent dose chelating method, or use frequent low dosages with as much time off as on. His protocol is specific with an extensive learning curve. There are many sites and some good Yahoo newsgroups devoted to his protocol.

Hey, Cutler folks, am I getting this straight?

When I used Cutler's protocol I was down to opening ALA capsules and just like a drug deaerl on B-movies, I found myself cutting the ALA into smaller packets because I was reacting so strongly to even small doses of it during a round.

I think I was down to about 12mg of ALA per dose, and my system couldn't handle that. I was working with a professional who said she talked regularly with Cutler, but no suggestion would make the rounds tolerable so I ended up quiting, which didn't do me any good in the long run.

We are all really trying to find what works for us. Some professionals say that if you reduce the body's load of mercury there will be a natural equalization in the body where mercury in organs like the liver, kidneys and thyroid, as well as the brain, will begin to release the mercury deposited there over time. Thus, reduce the body's load and the organs and brain will detoxify themselves.

However, other professionals, and I believe Cutler is in this latter group, do not believe that the brain will naturally get rid of mercury if you reduce the body's load first. They believe you need something like ALA to move the mercury out, but again, they caution that the body load should be reduced first before using ALA or you can cause more problems by redistributing mercury throughout the body's organs and even back into the brain itself.

Having tried Cutler's method and failed, I am using other methods to continue chelating mercury, because, like you, I continue to experie3nce mental symptoms and don't have much of a life because of mercury. I have concluded that I need to do whatever is necessary to get the mercury out if I am ever to hope to get a life.

In the end we all need to find what works for us, which is why newsgroups like this one are so good, we get ideas to try, we get to find what worked for others, what didn't work, and all kinds of suggestions.

But in the end, you and I both need to find what will get us healthy, even though what works for us may not work for someone else, and viseversa.

I hope this has helped....and good luck to all of us.

Great post James!

That sounds pretty close from what I read about Cutler's method also.

couple questions for you ...
I dont know your full story of your illness; if you wouldnt mind linking me to it or posting it I would like to hear it ... also what protocal are you using now? and how is it working

best luck to you

I recently posted a bit of detail on myself in the introduction section of this site. A link is at:

http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/sh...&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

Hey Wallace777,

I just read one of your previous posts where you say you are taking 200 mg of DMSA three times per day, and taking ALA on your off days.

If you want to follow Cutler's protocol, this is not correct and according to Cutler you are getting yourself into serious trouble.

I say this because of some of the questions you have asked. I know that when I was doing mercury detox initially and not knowing what I was doing I ended up hurting myself. If you have followed people's personal stories you have learned that detoxing mercury can be a dangerous thing to do and we all need to be careful.

What doesn't help is conflicting advice among the professionals that we patients refer to for help. Cutler says not to use chlorella, but Klinghardt and others say its use is fine. Reading deeper I found that 1 in 5 people can react negatively to chlorella before we even get to the science involved.

For this reason, we all need to be careful, read a lot, and don't use a lot of mercury detox drugs unless we at least have an idea of what we are doing.....easier said than done, espescially with brain fog.

One reason I am currently residing at this group is Russ' advice to start slow, add items one at a time, and see how these vitamins, minerals, and chelating agents affect you personally. I got into trouble previously by jumping in before I knew what I was doing (easy to do), and also by following the advice of some of the smarter people I know in this field.

What I discovered is that some of us are extremely sensitive to parts of the major protocols that others use. The protocol that got them better made me sicker. The truth is that I because so many supplements are required in Cutler's protocol (and other protocols) I really don't know what part made me sick.

That is why I started over again, this time with one item, and then each day I would add a single item to make sure my system was able to handle it okay.

I found myself getting really sick from just beginning with fresh cilantro. When my system finally settled down I began adding the supplements one at a time, and finally added chlorella, which also hit with strong symptoms.

In short, I started over taking full responsibility myself for everything that was happening to me. Slow and measured. I'm right in the middle of this process so ask me how it is going in a few months.

In the meantime, I'll continue asking questions and following everyone's posts to try to learn everything I can about this crazy mercury detox world we are all caught up in.

God help us all....

thanks for the replies james. I think its time for me to take DMSA and ALA together, since I finished 5 cycles of dmsa. ill follow the dose chart according to cutler. the whole ever 3 hours thing for 3 days. also I have Ulcerative colitis, do you think its highly possible the colitis will go away once mercury is out of brain using ALA?? - mike

I personally do not know how it will turn out for you in the end, as I do not know if this detox path will eventually make me feel better or not. However, I negatively reacted to simple fresh cilantro and that fact makes me suspicious that mercury really is involved, which is one reason why I continue on this detox path.

I guess in the end we each need to discover why we are doing this and if it is worth it in the end, or not. Even Cutler says to start with a mercury detox protocol that works best for most people, then discover and do what works best for you.

I continue to follow his advice, just not his protocol, at least not at this present time.

Has anyone else received improvement from their colitis after detoxing mercury?

hey james, i found this nice site regarding mercury poisoning and how it effects the gastro-intestinal tract, take a look and read it, takes about 10-15 minutes, oh start at the middle of the page, the top is just some other crap.

http://www.spiritofhealing.com/articles/html/crohns%20.html

Very interesting article. I know that I experience leaky gut, along with candida and mercury issues. I learned a lot about leaky gut from his article, along with colitis, which is what you suffer from.

It is interesting that some professionals believe mercury needs to be dealt with first, and candida and leaky gut issues will resolve once a full mercury detox has taken place.

Others, like the Biomonte Clinic in NYC, believe you need to deal with candida, bugs, and leaky gut first, then deal with metal.

I've tried both ways, and still have all the health issues. Go figure.

it makes sense to get the cause out first. the cause = mercury

5-6 years ago I thought that it was the candida that caused my symptoms and so I read everything I could on the subject of natural killing the candida and restoring the good bacteria etc ...

I did a strict anti candida diet with accompanying anti fungals (natural). Hah herximomer (spelling) reaction etc ... but
my symptoms did not improve. That diet was tough (I remember day dreaming about chicken burritoes and stuff <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Now I have my fillings out; I may try some more anti fungals etc ... I still have a whitish tongue (so I assume there some imbalances with my gut). Garlic/onions are good anti-fungals and those are good for chelation also; if you can eat the things.

Hey Dulak,

I did the same thing working with the Biomonte clinic, but the detox symptoms from killing all those bugs and candida became too much. I actually agree that mercury is the root cause of this stuff and needs to be dealt with first.

This leads us to a good question, which is at which point do you begin to deal with bugs, candida, leaky gut, and other issues. In other words, how far down the mercury detox path should you be before you get serious about the other issues.

Anyone else have experience on this?