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Comments below taken from Turberose.com – Mercury.

The body, in trying to protect itself against mercury, creates a problem of yeast infection.
One of the natural absorbers of heavy metals is candida albicans. The body attracts yeast into the intestines to act as a natural sponge for the mercury.
One theory holds that the body deliberately builds up the population of candida as a coping strategy to deal with the heavy metal poisoning. The body actually fosters the presence of candida in a heavy metal toxic patient because the cell walls of the candida binds up the mercury and other toxic metals, providing a measure of relief. If the candida cell walls are destroyed, the cell walls release their toxic metals back into the system, causing symptoms. This release of heavy metals is possibly one explantion of Herxheimer's reaction, in which the patient feels more ill, and even more toxic, after the candida is attacked and killed. Research shows that oral bacteria, yeast and probiotics all methylate mercury, so you should minimize any contact between the bacteria and your mercury. The methylation of mercury could explain some of the adverse reactions reported by parents and patients who have begun detox with massive doses of probiotics to correct dysbiosis. Dysbiosis is a pressing problem, but the production of large amounts of methyl mercury is much worse. Methyl mercury exacerbates damage to the nervous system and even further promotes dysbiosis by further compromising the intestinal immune system

Comments below taken from Genung Dentistry – Heavy metal elimination.

If an attempt is made to kill the candida before the metals are gone, breaking the cell wall of the candida releases more metals into the gut because the candida cell wall binds to the metals. L-glutamine is of some benefit for intestinal permeability. However, not much can be done to correct intestinal permeability while the patient is still heavy metal toxic and thus at risk of reabsorbing a significant percentage of the mobilized metals.

Comments below taken from Spirit of Healing

Mercury is absorbed preferentially by yeast cells, bacterial cells, and molds. In fact, these types of pathogens are present in our body “by invitation” of our immune system. These organisms absorb phenomenal quantities of mercury and serve the supreme purpose of keeping us alive – keeping the mercury from killing us. Thus, to kill off candida indiscriminantly in adults with significant body burdens of toxic metals including mercury is not only foolish, but potentially very dangerous.
Amalgam fillings typically convey immunity to antibiotics. This means that antibiotics may no longer be able to kill or control certain bacteria when mercury is present. This is your body’s way of keeping you alive and illustrates the supreme wisdom of your immune system. Your immune system refuses to destroy certain pathogenic organisms especially if they are heavy laden with toxic metals. If they are destroyed, they release large quantities of mercury which can then do tremendous damage to your body. If your body is “saturated” with mercury at the time you become infected with a pathogenic bacteria, there may be grave consequences. Mercury-induced immune system impairment must not be allowed to exist.

“Because mercury suffocates the intracellular respiratory mechanism and can cause cell death, the immune system makes a deal; it cultivates fungi and bacteria that can bind large amounts of toxic metals. The gain: the cells can breathe. The cost: the system has to provide nutrition for the microorganisms and has to deal with their metabolic products (“toxins”). That does not imply that the tolerated guest cannot grow out of control, as it sometimes clearly does. Therefore, there is still a limited place for antifungal/antibacterial treatment – but only for the acute phase of the disease. A so-called “die-off effect” (the sometimes severe crisis or even lethal reaction a patient can have in the initial stages of aggressive pharmaceutical antifungal or antibacterial treatment) is often nothing else but acute heavy metal toxicity – metals released from the cell walls of dying microorganisms as suggested by my own correlation of clinical syndromes and urinalysis for metals.”. (Dietrich Klinghardt Amalgam/Mercury detox as a Treatment for Chronic Viral, Bacterial, and Fungal Illnesses.

Below, taken from “Mercury Life – Finally Light at the end of the Tunnel”.

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Below, taken from “Mercury Life – Finally Light at the end of the Tunnel”.

a "die-off", or Herxheimer, reaction (named after the German physician who first observed this reaction). Basically, the theory says that "you have to get worse before you get better" -- that as you kill yeast organisms, they die and release toxins (referred to as "endotoxins" or toxins internal to the yeast cells), which then cause your already overstimulated immune system to overreact. Some Herxheimer-reaction symptoms include chills, headache, flu-like symptoms, itching and rashes, fever, night sweats, muscle aches, joint pains, mental fog, and extreme fatigue. Sound familiar? (hint: these are also, curiously, the exact symptoms of mercury toxicity).
I don't fully agree with the Herxheimer/die-off theory per se. It's not that I don't agree with the concept of getting much, much worse as you kill off the candida (or other bacteria or organisms, depending on the disease). And I can assuredly say from many, many experiences with this phenomena, it definitely happens. It's just that it's extremely unlikely that unknown endotoxins from fungi or bacteria happen to cause the exact same symptoms as raw mercury exposure. And, in fact, it's not a coincidence, when you consider that yeast cells can bind up a quantity of mercury equivalent to approximately their own weight. (Murray, S.D., and D. K. Kirby, "Sub-cellular Localization of Mercury in Yeast Grown in the Presence of Mercuric Chloride," J. Gen Microbiol., 86:66-74, 1975). The yeast in your body sequester the mercury coming from your teeth and other sources, so killing the yeast cells will re-release the mercury right back into your body, causing in effect a re-poisoning.
In our bodies, the uptake and binding of mercury appears to be a survival mechanism for the yeast cells, which are microorganisms, i.e., they are alive and independent from us. Because daily doses of mercury are delivered to the gut from a person's fillings (and which can be methylated by these same yeast cells -- more on that later), these yeast cells bind the mercury to their cell walls so as not to be killed by it. Remember: mercury is antibiotic, antiviral, antifungal, cytotoxic -- it kills almost everything -- hence why it's used as a preservative in vaccines. And, one leading theory states that the immune system permits the yeast to overgrow in a sort of "deal-with-the-devil": although letting the yeast overgrow requires providing nutrition for the microorganisms (and hence depriving our own body of nutrients), and having to deal with their metabolic byproducts (toxins), it also saves the cells of our bodies from being suffocated and killed by direct exposure to the mercury. The problem is, with the balance of yeast to other assorted "good" bacteria close to the tipping point because of this compromise, the yeast can easily get out of control, as is the case with antibiotic use, sugar overconsumption, steroid use, birth control and other hormonal treatment, etc.
I have much more to say on the mercury-yeast connection. But this is just an introduction so you can understand why I was getting sicker while on this anti-candida treatment due to the Herxheimer reaction -- I was being re-poisoned through the equivalent of an acute mercury exposure.


Below, taken from “The Modern Herbalist” – specialist in candida treatment.

Heavy metals such as mercury, cadmium, platinum, arsenic and lead in our environment collect in our cells and when present in elevated concentrations, suppress our cell's normal ability to utilize oxygen. Reduction of cellular respiration often triggers increased yeast proliferation to compensate for this reduction in energy production. Yeast overgrowth in bodies challenged by high toxic metal levels, can be understood as the body's desperate attempt to protect itself against the ravaging effects of heavy metal poisoning. In such cases, the heavy metal load on the system must be reduced to free the system of long-term yeast overgrowth. Individuals with high levels of heavy metals are likely to suffer if attempting to clear yeast / fungal overgrowth, before first addressing their elevated heavy metal levels effectively. When yeast is attacked in such cases, the underlying heavy metal toxicity may cause symptoms of considerable unwellness. Such symptoms and signs are most often misinterpreted as yeast die-off reactions.

(As for the above comments about candida and mercury, I'm not saying I agree with them completely, as I do not think having an overgrowth of candida is beneficial. I think it adds to the toxicity and to my mind overloads the gut and liver and prevents or interferes with mercury elimination greatly. Candida on it's own can cause a myriad of symptoms and some have committed suicide because of it! But i do agree that it can indeed absorb mercury and if the candida is killed with antifungals, there is the great likelihood of a massive release of mercury back into the system, causing in a sense a repoisoning. I've had it occur to myself and had to chelate it out with DMSA.

So there is no doubt it can occur. Possibly to those who are more poisoned than others or weaker from other things. so using the candida diet alone is safer, though antifungals sometimes need to be used in acute cases, but you can see the risks).

Hi Bex, thanks for this info.
If only i could go back a year ago, theres no way i would use antifungals or probiotics, it has damaged me so much. I was using them like they were going out of fashion because i wanted a cure to my symptoms.

Hi Dawn, no problem. Yes, I did it to myself a year ago also! I used a natural antifungal in around July/August last year because I was told to. Sadly, I had been doing very well on the candida diet and improving. Once I did that, it finished me and I released mercury everywhere. Even though I tried chelating it out, I believe I was weakened further by it and really I've just gone from one complication to the next and then using a garlic supplement later and ending up in emergency for severe gut cramps, which have never really left me as well as causing acute mercury symptoms from moving it into worse areas. And then using lipoic acid, and further poisoning myself from moving mercury into the brain.

I wonder what I'll do next.... It astounds me how easily I get injured nowadays. I never used to have it like this.

Bex: Thanks so much - great info. Do ya think this is really true? So I should not take any probiotics? The article makes sense to me when I really consider it - but it doesn't say how to get rid of this mercury bound up with yeast in the gut - does it? I may have missed it. How does one get this mess out of their gut so they don't have to worry about it getting redistributed? Lots of fiber - lots of enemas, what?

Hi you're welcome. It's hard to know what to do because candida can really be a big issue in some of us, and though it should be controlled by diet, some need to go further and use antifungals. I think probiotics are not quite as much of an issue, though some do feel worse on them, others better.

Again, I can only say to take really small doses at first and feel your way until you ar eable to increase gradually and safely as you find you're

Doris, you might find Algin helpful. It's a non-digestible fiber that has an affinity for heavy metals such as mercury, barium, cadmium, etc.

Many mercury-toxic people (including me) use Algin on a daily basis to absorb mercury from the colon so it doesn't get redistributed.

As far as killing candida goes, you might consider trying Olive Leaf Extract along with Algin.

Good stuff!!!, thanks so much Bex, I have pondered this exact issue alot lately...the use of too many antifungals caused me to relapse and now i know it was because too much mercury was released from killing the yeast the second time around on the diet. It also explains why my digestion is getting worse, the newly released mercury is wreaking havoc in my gut.

I wish I could get this message across to the yeast forums, they are capitalizing on so many candida sufferers and making them much sicker...what a bloody shame...and Whole Approach won't even let us discuss mercury on the open forum.

I believe that you have to kill the intestinal yeast to optimize digestion and to strengthen the ileocecal valve to stop new yeast from getting into the body, but the best way is to stop feeding new crops of yeast by is by diet and probiotics, not aggressive antifungals.

If we have good elimination, our body can excrete the chelated mercury out much more efficiently....and it is less likely to be recirculated.

Thanks again Bex, that is great info.

Sandi
xoxo

Yes, it's a hard situation because you need the gut and liver functioning in order to help detox the mercury, BUT in killing the candida with antifungals, it can release more mercury which can then go into the gut and cause more damage. So, I guess, as you stateed, diet and possibly probiotics are obviously the way to go, but if there is a persistant gut infection that needs further help, then yeah a person will obviously need some type of antifungal/antibacterial help, but obviously one needs to be careful.

Sadly, I do not have good elimination and have gut pain daily, which is probably why I cannot excrete the heavy metals and they just recirculate (as you stated). Not sure what to do as I follow the diet everyday... so it's not a good situation.

anyway, i'm glad some of the info I posted is interesting for people and hopefully of some help. I really wished I had never used an antifungal, as diet alone was good once and I could even eat some fruit and still have milk in tea and everything. Once I used an antifungal, that was it, I can't do anything now. It's like not only did it release mercury, but the candida obviously now has a stronger grip than before.

I have had the same problem with elimination. My bowel is virtually comatose, esp with thyroid issues that have cropped up. But I know that it is imp. to keep the bowel moving so, along with prune juice and psyllium - which are not effective on their own - I am taking 1 to 1 1/2 tsp. of Epsom salts every day. It works, and I figure that I need the magnesium also so, why not? I know it says not to take it habitually on the package, but - hey it's just magnesium. Anyone know of a problem with this? I hate the taste, so I mix it with tomato juice - that helps a LOT!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

I know of no problem with what yu're doing. If it helps, keep doing it. It takes like cr*p though, I nearly threw up when I took it one stage. I can see why you mix it with tomato juice!

Dallas, i have taken epsom salts loads of times for liver flushes, it really gets the bowels going like nothing else.