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Hi All,

A close friend of mine has very recently been institutionalised for severe Bi-polar disorder. Has battled with it for a long time. She refuses to believe it may be her amalgams of which she only has two.

The reason Im scared is because we share a whole lot of the symptoms and one of mine is getting worse as did hers before she went to hopital (Been there 3 weeks now). The symptom Im talking about and im embarressed to say is .... not quite sure how to categorise it but Id say its a kind of paranoia. Like EVERYONE is conspiring against me or has an alterioir motive. Even the people I love dearly that would never do such a thing. Im so ashamed of thinking like this and its tearing me up inside. Now im starting to think maybe im getting Bi-polar and that this is just the start and im going to end up like her one day. Its really bad. For example I'll be in a different room and hear my Housemate and her boyfriend whispering and immediately im convinced they're conspiring(spelling) about me. Someone will offer me a hand and I start to analize why they're doing me a favour and what do they want out of it. ALL THE TIME. I get so worked up about it. Has anybody had and recovered from this. Am i going crazy??

Another WEIRD one is that a word will pop into my brain at the most innapropriate time. I dont say it aloud it just pops in my head. For instance I'll see a fire and "EVIL" Someone will be telling a story and "EVIL" The cat will look my way and "EVIL" Im so shy to post this post but I just cant take it anymore, ive felt like i was losing my mind before but this bi-polar thing has scared the heck out of me.

Anybody help?

Please look at the post called "any heavy metals in Algin/question for Russ/Laura" as this was discussed somewhat later down the page, and read my reply. It is a scarey out of control feeling, but magnesium helps tremedously with that and mine has gone away completely. If I do have a day that I feel that feeling coming on, I just know to take extra mg that day as I must have been exposed to a lot of chemicals or had trouble detoxing.

The great thing is you don't have to just live with it and wait around for things to get worst. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Let us know how it goes.

Go to directlabs.com and order a hair test and then see if it meets counting rules per Andy Cutler. You can see a support forum at frequent dose chelation on yahoo or adult metals chealtion. Could be scheziophernia (sp?) but relieze these are just names. It is caused by something, such as copper/mercury high/low histimine for example but there could be many more biological reason. You could possibly have pyroluria? (treatable zinc/b-6) You'd be well advised to get on significant levels of zinc (depending on weight) 100 mg + probably spread throughout the day. Molybedum (sp) and no less then 3000 mg of vitamin c spread throughout the day. Get on some flax or omega 3. Maybe a good copper/iron free vitamin. Copper should usually be avoided if you turn out your mercury toxic.

Magnesium is helping me greatly too with the mental problems associated with mercury. The poisoning makes me hostile towards loved ones who are more than nice to me so it's for no apparent reason. Magnesium makes me calm down, even happy and content. No other supplement, and I've tried them all, have this wonderful effect.

Magnesium is so vital for much more than muscle cramps and constipation. It is also beneficial for energy because of it's relationship to ATP (the cellular "energy" molecule) and can therefore cause positive mood changes (as mentioned earlier).

Missy is definitely the resident magnesium expert. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

HI there, don't ever feel embarrassed, you would not believe some of the symptoms we experience. some of them are insane and distressing and can cause people to end their lives.

Alot of mental disorders can be traced to mercury because of it's "mad hatter" effect. I would definitely begin to embark on a programme to get rid of the mercury in you.

Also, make sure you're on a healthy diet with NO sugar (and I mean NONE). The impact of sugar on a mercury toxic person can be even further devastating because it lowers the immune system, plus feeds candida (which is bad yeast in the body that gets out of control with mercury). Also try to exclude gluten grains out of your diet (wheat, rye, barley, oats etc) and yeast also (no bread or anything with yeast).

Sometimes doing this can help a person whilst they get rid of the mercury. Candida on it's own can cause a lot of awful symptoms, including mental ones. It also enables mercury to do more damage.

I do not know if you are a religious person and I know this is a health forum not a religious forum, but some of what you are seeing in your mind does alert me ..... and 'could" have a spiritual element too. Hope you're not offended, but this is another suggestion too. If you are concerned about it, you could seek out help in this particular area (priest or pastor).

Just some suggestions for you. But you can certainly get the physical side started, but if you are a believer, take onboard a possible spiritual component. I would never normally say this, but felt I ought to bring it up.

Try and hang in there. I get mental symptoms that cause me to analyse everything to the point I will start to panic and if someone is talking to me, my mind will start dissecting what they are saying to where I will become fearful and unable to concentrate on what they are talking about, and then I do it to myself when I go to talk and I am unable to chat naturally or easily.

So mercury can do anything and everything, when it wants, how it wants. But candida can also and they are usually both at work together!

P.S. If you have amalgams and you would like more information on ways to go about getting them out and replacing them and one very good detox protocol that has helped many people, here is a mercury website link that I belong to that you might want to take a look at. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/

ON there, they have a links and a files section which contain a wealth of information for people starting out and some good suggestions on what to do and eventually how to chelate the mercury out of your body in a safe manner. Some detoxes can be riskier, this one to me appears to be one of the more safe ways to do it.

Hope this helps a little bit.

I would definitely start increasing your magnesium and selenium-- and working at chelating out mercury after getting the fillings removed first.

Now and afterwards, I would also start taking Omega 3 and 6 oils-- like unrefined Hempseed oil and unrefined Flax seed oil.

Do not take Canola oil. Do not cook your oils in high temperatures. Best to use them unheated in salads, on toast, etc to retain the proper fatty acids-- high heat turns most oil toxic.

The reason I mention getting enough raw unrefined oils like Sawflower, Sunflower, Flax seed, First pressed Olive oil, etc, is because there has been studies done with them and BiPolar disease. They are finding that these unrefined oils actually improve Bipolar when taken daily.

I feel this is true because during my Periods, I would normally get very paranoid, crabby, depressed, angry for no reason, etc.

Since my aunt is BiPolar already, I figured maybe my Menstruation was lowering my immune system each month to where I would get slightly BiPolar during PMS.

So-- after reading these studies and research on healthy oils, -- and to help my thyroid so I could lose some extra lbs., I have been incorporating them in my diet--- and adding Oil of Evening Primrose gel caps the weeks of my Period.

Let me tell you something-- For 3 months now I am not getting paranoid and irritable!-- The extra magnesium I take now during this time has even stopped my cravings for chocolate!


I feel that if you have signs of early BiPolar- you should start switching the types of fats your eating and make it all ColdPressed Olive Oil, Flaxseed Oil , or any other unrefined oil that has lignins and Omega 3's and 6's fats.

Like I said, recent research has discovered a link with them and a marked improvement with BiPolar and Schizophrenia.

I won't be without them now and even keep a bottle of Hempseed Oil and Flax seed oil in the fridge--- and I drizzle some on raw sunflower seeds, raw almonds, berries with maple syrup as a type of breakfast treat each morning ...yum!

I can totally sympathise with you about the wierd head space that you are in. Fortunately, like many of us you are on the right track because you have obviously found a link which is why you have found this website. I have 21 amalgams and suffer from similar thought processes. I have my first holistic dental appointment tomorrow and I just hope like crazy that they aren't going to put me on a really long waiting list to have this muck removed from my mouth.
I find that the scariest thing for me at the moment is driving. Often, whilst I am driving (and I drive a lot for my job) I become totally and utterly paranoid. I constantly feel like I am going to crash into another car or that someone else is going to plough head on into my vehicle. I think a lot of this comes from the fact that I know that my concentration span has decreased so much that I just don't trust myself anymore. I also feel very paranoid having other people in my car as I feel that they are constantly monitoring my driving skills. I often think just how easy it would be to make wrong one turn and end up being wrapped around a telephone pole.
I too feel like people are always talking about me behind my back. My self confidence about practically everything in my life is at an all time low.
I told my mother recently that I am going to spend about $6000 to have my amalgams removed. She said that I was crazy. I gave her a list of all the general symptoms of mercury poisoning and guess what ? She has even more symptoms than I do. For as long as I can remember my mother has always been socially withdrawn (won't answer the phone and can't have any friends or family over until she has had a few wines or serapax to settle her nerves), has every imaginable digestive disorder, athsma, depression, very low self esteem, extreme bouts of anger, oral thrush that has become so bad that her mouth is literally burnt, muscle aches and the list just goes on and on.
I asked her if she would consider having all her amalgams (about 30 odd) and all her root canals redone if I felt considerably better after my removal. She said that she could not justify spending about $10,000 in the hope that she may feel better.
I find this absolutely ludicrous and it literally makes me feel like ripping my hair out. I can't understand why somebody who is as sick her would rather spend $10,000 on an overseas trip (that is what she said she would rather spend it on) and wander around some foreign country feeling tired, depressed and sick all over. I know that I just have to accept that everyone chooses their own path, but when it is your own mother it is heart wrenching.
By the way, the magnesium thing is great. I have been on the verge of a panic attack all day and I took 600 mg of magnesium about 1 hour ago and amazingly I feel SO much calmer now.
Best of luck with everything.

Thank you all for your responses,

This forum is a real life saver. No one else can relate to what your feeling except here and it gives so much hope.

Bex; Im proud to say I am a believer and at this point in my life I feel closer to God then i ever have. I am mercury free as of Feb this year Hallelujah but havn't fully commited to chelation. Ive tried Homeopathy which helped ten fold pre-removal and EDTA which also made a huge differenc but due to financial reasons am only taking supplements now.

Boldylocks I have experienced that exact same thing come that time of the month. I have PMS like something out of a horror movie. I truly dread it and get so anxious and scared because I know its coming and I know that all the "mental" mercury symptoms come back with a vengance. Ive written about it here before but no one reallly experienced the same thing. Im so relieved to know that Im not alone (dont mean that im glad your suffering). I really started to doubt it was mercury when i was the only one. Looking back at one stage I was taking EPO but at the same time i switched to soy products and that same month NO PMS at all!!! I seriously put it down to the soy and just stopped buying the EPO and focused on the important stuff like Vit E, C, Selenium zinc etc. Im buying some tomorrow. THANK YOU so much for showing me the light. Cant believe i never thought of that.

Rachie; Thats me in a nut shell, truly. I dont trust myself at all and im really trying to work on that. The fears while driving are terrible. It comes and go's though, somedays it wont bother me at all and then others it all comes back again. My friend would rather stay in hospital then even for one second entertain the thought of getting her teeth fixed so I can relate to what you're going through with your mom. It breaks my heart. You've made the best decision to take action for yourself and I pray that God gives you the strength and resources to come out shining on the other side.

About a month ago I started taking Black Strap Molasses as a supplement for my anemia. It gave me so much energy and i started to feel even better physically but mentally it all went downhill. The label says it is very high in copper and iron. I never knew that Hg toxic people were sensitive to that. Could this be the root of the problem?

Is magnesium chelate a good option, the only other one i can find is glycinate and magnesium oxide. Which is the better?

Thank you all again.

"The victory is greater then the battle" Creflo Dollar

Magnesium chelate simply means that it is bound to an amino acid-they don't tell you which one. I guess you could call the company. Glycinate is fine. Don't waste your time and money with the oxide.

Hi there, I can sympathise with you over the finance side of things. It is very expensive so much of this. I do not know if you can afford DMSA, but if you can? You could try doing that for just 3 days every so often (every 4 hours).

I'm only on a sickness benefit and have very limited funds and I buy DMSA (cannot afford much else) and I split the capsules up so I take much smaller doses (which of course makes them last much longer).

I had a friend who has exhibited symptoms similar to yours. One example is (and I never knew she had a problem once). She used to say to me that in some of her classes at school, she thought people in her class could read her thoughts and she decided in her own mind, that she was under attack and she would try and figure out ways of blanking her mind so they couldn't "read" her thoughts.

Well, on top of her doing this on occassion (though it wasn't so evident back then) she was suffering continually from inexplicable health issues and was on candida diets, you name it, which makes me suspect mercury might have been the culprit.

Well later on, things got worse and though we lost touch, so she worked for my sister in law and I found out that this girl (now woman) got so bad, she decided the guy down the street was going to kill her Mother and that he could somehow "telephathically" tune in to her conversations in her house, so she wuld put on her music very loud as though that might drown out his telepathy.

I think she is on medication now. If it helps to control it, great. But obviously it's not the underlining problem, but sometimes necessary, even if it helps while a person tries to detox the mercury.

Sorry, didn't finish my post. But basically what I'm saying is, some of us have very distressing and bizzare symptoms that at times do need medication intervention. Many people have to be on antidepressants while they chelate the mercury.

HOpe you can hang in there and hopefully get this poison out.

Don't buy the chelate form if the magnesium is bound to aspartate. This can definitely worsen any mental symptoms as it's an excitorary amino acid and cause over-firing in an already unbalanced nervous system.

The oxide form is ok, you will notice diarreha if you take above tolerance level.

I used to buy Black Strap Molasses for it's health benefits until I met someone in the Sugar Cane industry here in Australia. This particular person didn't really have much interest in health issues but he said that he wouldn't touch Black Strap Molasses with a barge pole.

Apparently they use absolutely toxic pesticides on the sugar cane and the industry tends to get away with it because the main product produced from the cane is sucrose (table sugar) that is so refined that it has no traces of pesticides or fungicides in the final stages. Black strap molasses however is unrefined and contains loads of these toxic chemicals. If you can find organic molasses (have never seen it in Australia) that would be your safest bet.

Talking about PMS - gosh!!! Many years ago I used to think the PMS was just an excuse that women used when they wanted to legitimise their crabbiness. Boy was I wrong - it is so real. I become an evil gremlin 2 weeks before my period , right through until about day 2 or 3 of my period. I feel like killing small animals (only joking!!).

Isn't it just amazing how tiny little chemical structures like hormones can totally derange your entire being. Not fair. I bet women prior to the industrial age never had to put with the mess that so many of us are in now. Humans just have this inexplicable desire to tamper with nature.
Go the tree hugging hippy people of our world !!!

Re: PMS - I just read a book called "The Miracle of Magnesium" which states that we are all pretty much depleted of magnesium due to lousy agricultural practices and toxicity. It states that magnesium is a good detoxer and that it is helpful for many things such as diabetes, asthma, etc. etc. ...... and PMS. I know magnesium has helped me A LOT. It took care of my numbness, twitching, heart palpitations, and, if I take enough, constipation. It even says that people who have asthma are magnesium deficient already -- that's why their bronchial tubes go into spasm - but then the "medications" for asthma also deplete the system of magnesium, making matters worse. Of course, with all this magnesium, asthmatics are bound to end up with further problems - ie heart attack etc. Good for the pharmaceutical companies - not so good for the asthmatic. I gave magnesium to my daughter for menstrual cramps and it is helping. I wish I had known about it when I was a teen. They had me take Fiorinal - a tranquilizer! They certainly know how to line their pockets. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Thanks again,

Bex about the DMSA, my doctor gave me some about three months ago but im too scared to take it because i dont want my symptoms to get bad again. Did it ever make yours worse. Im really apprehensive about this. My doc said to take 2 caps 3 times per day for three days then break for eleven and repeat. Im also not sure how many milligrams are in each capsule. How do you lessen your doses correctly?

Has anyone else here had any success with DMSA, or worse had a reaction to it?

Hi. Russ is always advising to take Alginate, also called Algin. Sounds like a good idea to me.

As Carla said...

I'm a firm believer that Algin is the single most important supplement for mercury-toxic persons, whether they have amalgams in or not, and it's especially important during detox.

My child has no fillings and no vaccinations, yet his health & behavior improve when he is on Algin. I kid you not. I suspect that algin scoops up other things besides mercury. Am I correct?

Yes, Algin can and will absorb many different toxins, not just mercury. According to research I've done, algin has an affinity for other metals such as cadmium, barium, tin, etc., and even radioactive strontium-90. I've also read where Algin is used for environmental clean-up and waste water treatment.

For details, you can read our page on Algin.

TGross,

After what you've already said that you are experiencing, I would not reccommend using DMSA as it also removes magnesium and other necessary minerals from your body as well as the hg. I would go with Algin, Vitamin C selenium, and glutathione.

HI Tgoss, if you take the DMSA every 4 hours, your symptoms will be more likely to remain stable. If you take it according to your doctor's instruction, they will likely get more unstable.

This is all down to the way mercury is moved and if DMSA is taken randomly and not every 4 hours to keep the blood levels even, then mercury will be moved randomly also and can then go into worse and more sensitive areas. Some people get away with it because they are able to detox easier and can get well from almost anything that simply mobilises mercury.

most of us are toxic and injured already and cannot afford to cause worse redistribution fo mercury.

I can understand your fears. Sometimes DMSA, even taken safely can worsen symptoms if you are very toxic, but sometimes it can actually help them and make a person feel better. It is not easy enough to predict what will occur.

Some get more tired, sleepy and achey as mercury is being moved/removed. Others become more hyped up and energetic or racy. The symptoms can chop and change too, so it's not easy to predict.

It's up to you if you want to give it a go. But leaving the mercury where it is, is not good either, so it's a catch 22 situation. You feel a bit damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I can tell you that a pretty good stable dose is about 25 mg of DMSA taken simply every 4 hours (during the night too) for about 3 or more days and breaking for the same amount. If you take DMSA according to your doctor's instruction, you may find it mobilises mercury to much and too erratically because it's not using DMSA in a way that keeps the blood levels even.

I have had different experiences with DMSA, but my problems now are complicated by many issues, not just mercury. But in the past, when it was just mercury, I tried many chelation routines and had explosive reactions, dangerous reactions to the point where I woudl be SCREAMING and salivating like crazy. But when I used this method (every 4 hours), I was able to keep the symptoms more even and balanced, though of course, as the chelation round went on, I began to feel the symptoms of tiredness, achiness and sleepiness and would end up stopping the round if I felt it got too much, and then I'd break for a few days or more and do another round.

I did improve gradually from this. So yes it does work. Nowadays I'm dealing with other toxicities, like possible jawbone infection etc, so I'm not really able to gain improvements now.

Hiya,

Ive started taking evening primrose oils and doubling up on the omega's but think i must try the magnesium glycinate as the chelate makes me feel worse.

Thanks Bex, hopefully i'll start to feel a bit better soon and then i'll try be brave and start the DMSA, just dont want to end up hurting myself or worse someone else or end up in a looney bin.

I'll start taking the algin again as well. I stopped taking it to try to see what was causing me to feel so bad all over again by process of elimination but pretty sure it had nothing to do with that. Dont you ever just get fed up with monitoring everything all the time. Vitamins, diet etc. I just miss living a care free life of being able to eat and drink what I like, work out as much as i like and not stay awake all night. (sorry, just having a moan) I suppose a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> all in the name of feeling normal (whatever that feels like)

Hi, don't be too scared of DMSA. Many people hold off from using it because they think they'll get worse, when often times people live on the stuff just to feel NORMAL. So it can actually help suppress symptoms while it's chelating out the mercury.

But of course, in some it can induce further detox symptoms. But taken safely, (Andy Cutler style), and low doses, usually a person can do ok.

But I see what you're saying. It does get scary when you just don't want anything to tip you further over.

Andy doesn't advocate Algin, but I see people being helped by it, so I don't see an issue really. It's up to the persn what gets them through the day. Most of us can barely do that eh?

I can't even eat a few biscuits (cookies) without getting horrific symptoms by the next day. It's pathetic actually.

Hi Tgoss, the post above was from me, I wasn't signed in.

I have a question. The symptoms you got (the bipolar type ones) were they happening before you had your new dental materials put in? And how long have they afflicted you?

I hope there is no relation to the cerec! Let me know!! And how have they been lately by the way?

I am really in a quandry. I seem to be unable to take Magnesium in any form. I've tried several, as well as Homozon. I have a herx or horrible reaction to Magnesium. It makes me weak and feel like a vampire has sucked out all of my blood. Also have horrible wired, anxious feelings - like I'm going to boil over or burst. It is just horrible. Is there something I can take with Magnesium that could negate these symptoms?

Same here Doris, going to try glycinate as soon as i can afford it. Holding thumbs.

Bex I must say that I felt SO MUCH better after replcament, so good in fact i started eating junk again, even the dreaded dairy, thought id be ok, then i started the black strap molasses and for a week or two i was ok but soon everything fell apart again(in my head mostly cause physically i was feeling great). Since ive stopped the molasses im much much better again and back on supplements, veggie juice and steering clear of gluten and dairy. The difference between last week this time and today is night and day.

In my opinion the Cerec had nothing to do with it, I just got into a comfort zone and got lazy with my supplements because i was feeling so good. Will NEVER do that again LOL.

Bex i just spoke to the doc that i got the DMSA from she says each capsule is 250mg. My jaw dropped. Is that to much?

TGoss: The glycinate is the type I'm now taking - very expensive as I remember. I was wondering about taking Magnesium with Malic Acid. Many with CFS take this. Anyone know anything about whether I could tolerate Magnesium if combined with malic acid?

Doris,

Do you have kidney problems? That is the only thing that I have read that would be able to cause you to not be able to take magnesium.

Hi Missy. I don't think I have any kidney problems. I sure urinate alot - but no pain, etc. Maybe I'm just so deficient in it that I need to start with very tiny doses and work up. I have been DX's with Lyme and I have read that some with Lyme will have a HERX (killing the Bb kete) just taking Magnesium.

Doris,

I was unfamiliar with the term HERX, but after looking it up, it sounds like you have more toxins floating around than your detox organs (liver, kidneys, colon) can handle. You might want to get Cutler's book to see if you could take some things to help with your detox phase 1 or 2. My phase 1 was too fast for my phase 2, so I became very chemcial sensitive. I take niacinimide for that now.

Magnesium is key in detoxing.

Also, I had trouble being able to take enough magnesium of any form (got diarrhea) so I tried IVs for a while and that worked fairly well, but was VERY expensive and I felt the way that you described on the day of the IV.

So I now take ionized magnesium (cellular ready-bypasses the digestive system) that I get from mag-i-cal.com.