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hello, I really like this forum!!!

I would like to know what is the best way to detox the body and especially the brain.

What do you think about the cilantro, chlorella detox combo?

I bought a bottle of NDF:
http://www.healthydetox.org

What do you think about it? Is it effective? They claim that it is more effective than DMPS, without healing crisis and a shorter time-span.

Please help, as I am very confused with all the different detox methods and I want to live a live free from brain fog and depression.

Hi there. I'll be honest with you, the problems with cilantro etc, is that not enough is known about them in order to put together a regime that will move/remove mercury in an even safer manner.

But that being said, some people have done ok using them and some have improved, but others have worsened and sad to say, but sometimes it's up to the person whether they want to give those things a go.

But mercury can easily become mobilised and too easily can end up in worse and sensitive areas (brain being one).

This is why many more people are now following the advice and protocol of a biochemist called Andy Cutler, who has had YEARS of study and experience to do with mercury toxicity and how mercury works, and what can happen on risky protocols (he does not advocate NDF, and does not believe it's effective). But as I said, some find it helps them, so ....

andy's protocol, which is one of the safest around that I have heard of (in fact, I don't know one that has this safety to it). Is once a person has had all their amalgams replaced, they can begin to use a chelating agent called "DMSA" or "DMPS" (oral). But you start about 4 days after last amalgam removal and using e.g. DMSA (which is available online, no need for prescription) and you can try about 25 mg to start (or less if this dose is too high) and you take it EVERY FOUR HOURS (around the clock, so you need to wake up at night to take a dose) and do this constantly for about 3 days or up to a week and then stop and have a break for the same amount of time you spent on it. You can take more time off if necessary.

This is repeated for a few months to bring blood/tissue levels of mercury down, before using an antioxidant called alpha lipoic acid. This is used to then chelate the brain and other organs of mercury and again, for safety, needs to be used every 3 hours. Best to use it with DMSA, but you can use it on it's own. Using it around the same way you used DMSA (but just using it a little more often, e.g every 3 hours instead of every 4).

IT crosses the blood brain barrier and can remove mercury fromthe brain, but if you use it too early on with a too high blood/body level of mercury, you risk moving more mercury INTO the brain.

So this is why Andy is very wary of things like chlorella, cilantro, garlic, etc, because though they are natural, they all have an ability to move mercury around and it can be highy risky.

But as I said, there are people who have done ok on NDF etc. But be aware of the moblisation side of things and risks attached to doing that.

Even using DMSA or DMPS, or Alpha lipoic acid can be dangerous if they are not used according to the safer protocol, but anything that is used randomly/erractically, can all do the same thing, move mercury anywhere and everywhere and mercury will readily go into the brain if it's mobilised in an unsafe manner.

sorry for the long post, but just trying to give as much as I can with what I've read. I'm not andy, he would probably tell you to stay away from NDF completely.

But I've tried it myself and others have to. I did get definite problems with it I must admit, but yes it does move mercury, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. I dont' recall having any long term problems from it though, but I know of some who have. Take it easy whatever you decide to try and monitor your symptoms.

If you are interested in Andy Cutler's protocol and you want to find out more, there is another mercury forum that people who use his protocol go on. The link to it is http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/

So it's there if you ever get curious and want to try detoxing that way.

P.S. the reason for the every 4 hour dosage of DMSA, is to keep the blood levels of DMSA more constant and stable, and thereby the movement and removal of mercury is kept also more stable and safer, instead of being wildly moved about by infrequent dosage.

If a person takes DMSA further apart than 4 hours, they risk once again, redistribution of mercury because once 4-5 hours is up, the levels of DMSA in the blood have dropped, so if you take a dose too spaced apart or infrequent, then you simply redistribute mercury.

So some people who use his regime, if they are taking it and they forget to take a dose and decide to take a "late dose", they can end up in trouble just from doing that. So if someone misses a dose, it is best they stop the round completely, wait a few days before starting again.

Sorry again for being longwinded here! But you see how it's a good idea to give someone as much info as you have learned, so they can see other options and decide what they feel it's a better bet.

Thanks very much for the reply. So there aren't any safe detoxifiers except DMSA/DMPS? I read in an other thread that Russ didn't use DMSA and did a 'slow' natural detox and overcame his symptoms. Is this correct?

hi anonymous, yep Russ did his naturally and some others do it too and do fine. He used chlorella I think and other vitamins/minerals and algin etc. Lots of different things and he got well.

Certainly for me? NDF didn't seem to do anything damaging, nor did chlorella.

The most severe and terrible effects I've had from trying anything out was from using a garlic supplement and from using alpha lipoic acid in too high a dose and using it too early on.

Also using DMSA the wrong way. But using it every 4 hours at low dose was ok.

So, just feel your way and try what you feel like trying and be cautious. But yeah, take my advice, don't ever use a garlic supplement and never use lipoic acid until you are ready for it and only then low and frequent doses.

If you want to use DMSA, the best way is the every 4 hour way. any other way simply pushes mercury usually into worse areas for many people and makes them worse.

NDF? the best thing to do with that, is to go VERY VERY low dose. I was misinformed by a dentist who told me to take 5 drops twice per day. The first day I just used 5 drops once and felt pretty good for it and stupidly, I went straight into 5 drops twice a day the next day and took 3 weeks to begin to remotely improve.

So it's all a bit of trial and error, but make sure you go on the website for NDF and check out about BioRay who makes it and gives good instructions for people on how to take it and he makes sure that people are ready to use it and he does not believe that anybody needs to have a healing crisis, he thinks that one can take NDF and simply improve and feel better along the way, so long as they follow what he advises.

You'll find it if you look up bioray on the internet and ndf etc.

Thanks very much. The sad thing is that in these days most companies don't care much about our health and will tell you everthing you want to hear in order to make more money. You never know if they are telling you the truth about the product.. Bioray seemed honest to me, they probably are but mercury is a serious issue and I am not sure if I want gamble with my health.... I made the mistake to start immediatly with cilantro and chlorella 10 days after fillings were removed. I stopped the cilantro after 3 days because I had really nasty side effects. Got really depressed and felt awful. You can't believe what mercury does with your mind until you experience it. Now i take only a little bit of chlorella and feel much better again.

I am glad that I did this... I could have made things worse... I will give my body more time and then start with a new detox slowly... Unfortunately I still have a full bottle of NDF and not sure if I should try it.

Many in the alternative medicine field agree that the body can't get rid of the mercury in brain and you need to take detox products to remove it.

Do you think this is always true? One might argue that the body always tries to clean itself and will do anything to get rid of the mercury as long it has the proper nutrients and the system isn't being poisoned by chemicals.

Sadly, the brain holds mercury in once it gets in there because mercury is attracted to the fatty tissue and the blood brain barrier, normally good at protecting the brain, is not good at protecting against mercury. But mercury does not really come back out of hte brain. ONly a very small amount might over a person's entire lifetime.

So a person with significant brain mercury who is not improving anymore from using something to detox them in their blood/tissue body areas, needs to begin using something to detox the brain.

Cilantro and lipoic acid both can do this, but it's risky if you haven't cleared your blood and body first. Also, to know how to use them to make sure it's safe.

Andy recommends lipoic acid be used at small doses (e.g. 12. mg or so) every 3 hours around the clock, preferably with DMSA to help with symptoms and probably make the chelation even safer.

Andy says Cilantro does move mercury from brain, but does not know how to use it to ensure safe removal of mercury. so he does not recommend it normally, unless a person just cannot get better from anything else they are trying.

Some are doing ok using it though.

Well... Even though I paid $70 for that bottle, i think i will use an other less risky detox method first:)

What besides DMSA can I do to detox my body before I detox the brain with ALA?

Algin and Whey Protein ?

If somebody did a successful detox please post here how you did it!! Thanks very much!!!

Hi Anonymous,

I detoxed with the LL's magnetic clay baths, from Alive and Aware Natural Health E-bay store. Also the Moorbath from www.dermamed.com. Click to Specialty products, then to Moorbath. Please note: you should not take the Moorbath if you have high blood pressure. These are very affective yet gentle with no side affects!!!

I also took chlorella both before and after amalgam and heavy metal removal. If you decide to also take cilantro, do not take it before amalgam and heavy metal removal. It is safe though to take it after removal, but only with chlorella at the same time. Here is why. Cilantro only moblizes mercury, so it needs the chlorella to also help move the mercury out of the body and also expel it.

Also I've recently started eating the right foods for my blood type that is organic with no chemicals, sugar, salt, no processed foods, etc, and it has made a huge difference on my health!!! Get the book "4 blood types, 4 diets, Eat right for your type," by Dr. Peter J.D. Adamo. Also get "Prescription for nutritional healing," by James Balch M.D.and Phyliss Balch C.N.C, to learn about the healthiest forms of foods and herbs.

I hope this helps you!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Good luck!!! From SCARLET!

I didn't use DMSA or the other synthetics because I was already so toxic and deficient in magnesium (DMSA binds to your mg and zinc too) because that was just too dangerous for me. I use Mercury Detox (Tyler) which contains selenium, glutathione and vitamin C and Algin. Also, take lots of magnesium as mercury makes you deficient and you need it to detox properly.

I also started on chlorella and cilantro right after (or maybe during!) having my amalgams out , but soon learned to stop that. I still have my cilantro and I have been thinking of trying it again now that I am doing well and am 17 months post revision.

thank you scarlet and missy! Did the slow detox work for you? Do you feel better?
I currently use vitamin C, selenium, magnesium and chlorella. 1 month post removal I still feel ill but I have noticed also some positive changes. Had to stop cilantro/chlorella because of side effects

Your link doesnt work ...
but if you want to take cilantro and chlorella I would get cilantro from the store and then get some chlorella from ebay or the store also ...

Read all you can on the above cilantro etc ... too much can cause havoc

Hi Anonymous,

Yes, these baths worked excellent for me before and after removal!!! The Moorbath worked best before removal, and the LL's magnetic clay baths worked best after removal. Before removal I did only a foot bath with the Moorbaths too since I was so toxic. Ater removal, I did a full bath with the LL's magnetic clay baths since this bath is alittle more mild.

PLEASE NOTE: DO NOT USE THE MOORBATH IF YOU HAVE HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE!!!

Also when I took only chlorella before removal and after I feelt great. It is safe either way.

DO NOT TAKE CILANTRO BEFORE REMOVAL OR EVEN DURING REMOVAL, UNTIL YOU HAVE GOTTON ALL YOUR AMALGAMS AND HEAVY METALS REMOVED!!! ALSO, DO NOT TAKE CILANTRO AFTER REMOVAL EITHER UNLESS YOU TAKE IT WITH CHLORELLA AT THE SAME TIME!!!

I myself took only the chlorella before and after removal, and no cilantro, since the cilantro can mobilize the mercury too fast!!! The chlorella without the cilantro, with the minerials you mentioned along with many immune boosting natural suppliments and herbs, and these baths all made me feel so much better both before and after removal every time I took them!!!

GOOD LUCK!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />