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I don't know what has happened to me, but I cannot shake this exhaustion, plus I am constantly yawning and my tongue is swollen. I will spend eachday half asleep almost and my tonuge is so swollen it almost hurts.

All this after a flu virus and antibiotic use. I am on the candida diet too, and I cannot shake this.

I do not know if it was the flu or the antibiotics that did this to me, but it's everyday now. I don't know if my body is trying to heal and it's causing worse symptoms, or whether this is it and I'm worse and that's that.

It's a very weird feeling, I'm living almost in a drug like state and my eyes keep closing and my mouth keeps hanging open, i must really look intelligent, but I cannot seem to help this and it's not going.

Anybody else relate to this or understand it?

Gee Bex, that is how I felt when I first got candida..but I cannot understand why you feel so rough without even taking antifungals...unless the yeast has gotten a really strong foothold. I remember when I first got ill, I could hardly walk to the couch in the am...then I would rest for 5 minutes, then struggle to the kitchen to plug in the kettle for tea...then back to the couch for another rest until the kettle boiled...and that is how most days went for me. Is that how you are feeling? I also felt like I could have slept for days and sometimes did.

Hope you are over it soon. Are you taking oil of oregano...that stuff is so powerful it is supposed to kill the bird flu, that and olive leaf extract. But I wouldn't take the OLE, it is a very strong antifungal...whereas the oil of oregano is supposed to be a good immune system booster.

Are you taking any antioxidants like pycnogenal or coenzyme Q10 and lots of vitamin C? I think that flu must have really taken a foothold and needs lots of help to kick it out!!!

I wish I lived near to make you a cuppa tea or some homemade soup. Hope you feel better soon.

Sandi
xoxo

Hi Sandi, thanks for your kind post. Well, I don't know what's happened. I never felt good before anyway and i've always had some fatigue, but nothing like this. And yes, I feel like I am strugglign to even move!! Existing is tiring and I want to sleep non stop.

I think you're right, I reckon the yeast has blown out of control and diet alone is just not cutting it.

I may look into that oregano oil. My doc has suggest goji juice, as she says though it is "fruit and juice" it is pure and contains natural antifungal and antiviral properties. It is also highly expensive, so probably helps her too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

But at any rate, if that doesn't help me, I'm going to try the oregano oil, I've had enough of this. I want to scream with exhaustion, yet I'm too tired to even do that.

Have you been that bad to where you want to weep from tiredness, but you can't even do that?

Thanks for the home made soup and cup of tea offer, that sounds great. My Dad is doing the honors and playing "maid" at the moment. Poor Dad, but I am in a state.

I'll let you know how things go. This is just unreal. Surely the diet would be holding things at bay or reducing the yeast now that I'm off the antibiotics....

Oh and yes, I'm taking antioxidants. I'm taking vitamin C (which I'm going to increase), vitamin E, vitamin B complex, Zinc / B6 / magnesium and selenium and pure fish oil capsules. along with having NO sugar, no fruit, no yeast, no gluten, and eating eggs, meat, vegetables, some raw nuts, some plain acidophilus yoghurt and only limited gluten free grain and drinking some herbal teas. And here I am yawning and half dozing with a swollen tongue and a body that feels about 90.

I'm really glad you have gained improvements with your diet. Have you been doing DMSA at all? and if so, did it help?

Bex

these symptoms scream hypothyroidism, which is very common in mercury toxicity. Have you had your Free T3 and T4 tested? As Andy says in his book, supporting the thyroid and adrenals will go a long way to making you feel much better. Please have a look at this website for more info:

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/hypothyroidism.jsp

enlarged tongue is mentioned as one of the signs of myxedema - when hypothyroidism gets serious and can result in a coma. PLEASE get this checked out. It would also account for the fatigue and severe depression you are experiencing.

Have a look at this website for how to check your thyroid properly. Don't go by the TSH test - it is next to useless. You need to get your Frees tested, and probably need to start on adrenal support and a T3 or T4 combo like Armour.

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

Nicola

Hi Nicola, thanks for the indepth information. I got put off all this thyroid and adrenal medications because I seemed to hear people having problems and having to continually adjust it. I have a friend via email who is constnatly having issues on them and then she has to stop and adjust one and now the other is causing problems and trying to get the dose right, yet she gets palpiations and other issues from these things and one thing wrong and she gets awful effects.

I do not want to go down the road she's on, she's never well and she's on this stuff all the time.

But again, it looks like I may have to because I am really a mess and it's frightening me. The coma side of things? I feel close to slipping into one myself. I've never known this feeling of being in a drug like stupor to this extent.

Bear in mind, this happened after this flu and the antibiotics, so I keep thinking surely this will subside and why did it happen? Why is it not improving?

But I will have a look at the links you sent and thanks a lot for sending them.

My doctor is going to put me on that goji juice, so I'm giving that a trial run. I think I will need these things looked at that you mentioned. I really cannot continue like this, it's debilitating to the extreme.

Bex, re: thyroid, it would be good if you could get a dr. who is, at least, somewhat holistic - many endocrinologists are not. Some wonderful naturopaths will prescribe thyroid meds with no testing - just by your symptoms. Also, from what I hear, blood tests for thyroid are not as accurate as as the new saliva tests. There is a saliva test out there that will test thryroid, adrenal and sex hormones because all these hormones affect each other. Many naturopaths prefer this. You can get this test cheaper without a dr's requisition at the canary club which I will shortly send you the website address for. I can't remember - do you live in the US? Anyway, this test takes a while, so, since it seems you should be tested immediately and get results ASAP, perhaps this test could be useful for the future. With the way you sound, if it is thyroid, it should show up on any test. And, by the way, the new acceptable levels for TSH are anything below 3.0. Most labs and drs. are not following the new levels and think that as long as you are under 5.0 you are o.k. NOT SO! Please get tested. Thyroid problems - either way - can be fatal.

Another thing, Bex, anything autoimmune, like Hashimoto's Thyroiditis (hypothyroidism) or Grave's Disease (hyperthyroidism) can be triggered or worsened by anything stressful in your life. This flu' could have triggered thyroid symptoms or made mild symptoms much worse, and it may be a permanent change. The address for the test is http://www.canaryclub.org. Get checked now! But, again, for now, a blood test from your dr. would be faster or a naturopath who will go by symptoms would be fastest.

HI Dallas, I don't live in the USA, I live in New Zealand and we do not have much here in regards to the medical side of things or holistic.

Not sure what to do. But I can find out I guess. I am so exhausted right now, I'm at the end of my tether.

It did say weight gain with hypothyroid, yet I have the opposite problem, and my heart beat is often too fast. So some things don't quite add up, yet other things do. I guess other problems in me might be causing me to be thin and have a faster heart beat, and cominbed with the hypothyroid that will be causing other seperate issues, so it all get confusing.

If this goji juice my doctors sells is as great as she claims it is, I should be back on here singing it's praises! I somehow doubt it will overcome what I am experiencing now. I really think this flu virus, plus the antibiotics must have been the last straw and it's tipped me right over.

thanks for the help you guys.

hi again dallas, thanks so much for this. I hope it's not permanent, this is frightening what i'm experiencing and yes, I think you're right, i think the stress of what i've been through with this flu virus, plus the antibitoics have probably pushed me into this occuring. It's not like I was ok before it, so i'm probably a pretty easy candidate.

My doctor does do "some" holistic work, so maybe she can do more to help, but normally she's not very good. But I can try and get the test regardless.

Bex

rapid heartbeat, especially when you stand up and move around, is classic low adrenals when they are struggling to cope, and taking the strain of keeping the metabolism going.

have a look at this

http://www.drrind.com/scorecardmatrix.asp

here you will see how it is possible to be very thin AND hypothyroid. Low adrenals hold the balance of symptoms in your case, but you can still be very hypothyroid. PLEASE PLEASE get this tested. These two things are most of your problems, and when treated can give you a major part of your life back. Yes, there is fiddling around with doses, but it's not that bad, and is certainly preferable to a slow road to total incapacitation. Please go to the doctor and get you Frees tested. Then read up on adrenal support - you will almost certainly need some before you can start taking thyroid hormone. If you don't you will crash your adrenals for sure. Read this:

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8AUQRU...Replacement%20Cortisone%20Therapy%29.htm

you can do these self-tests to check your adrenal function

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8AUQRf...20information/ADRENAL%20SELF%20TESTS.txt

Please take this forward, and let us know how you go.

Nicola

Hi Bex,hang in there, the thyroid and adrenal stuff sounds positive. I did try Adrenal support myself once, at first i felt great then i felt really bad , but that was because it contained methionine i think. I may try NSP adrenal support myself.
Bex i hope you get this sorted out, im confused about myself at the moment, is it my thyroid, adrenals or just mercury.

Bex, last year i got ill after a course of antibiotics for a urine infection. After i finished the tablets i became extremly ill, i couldnt get out of bed for 2 wks. I felt as though i had been poisoned, looking back i think it may have been my adrenals. I got a bit better after but i went on the candida diet so thats probably why. This is all so confusing.

You should try taking additional probiotics as the antibiotics killed off all your good "bugs" too and you probably need more than you are getting from your yogurt.

I also had all the symptoms of hypothyroid except that I was very thin, and I had your other symptoms of adrenal stress. I finally came to the conclusion that the mercury was blocking the thyroid hormones from the receptor sites or was interfering with the conversion of T4 to T3. I didn't really notice any benefits when I was on thyroid meds than when off. So I just stayed off of them as it was causing my TSH to be lowered which tells your thyroid to make the hormone and I didn't want to mess up that process.

The flu probably caused all your nutrient levels to drop even more since your body was having to fight that off. I would suggest taking extra nutrients especially magnesium for your heart (mg is used up greatly during times of stress and you are under a lot of metabolic stress!).

Also, when I felt the way you are describing, I was so weak that I could hardly more, but did feel slightly better when I would get up to go the bathroom. I realized that I didn't have the energy to move around, but I needed to move in order to get my blood circulating. Try drinking extra water too right now to help build up your blood and flush out any leftover flu stuff.

Good luck, there is a light at the end of the tunnel, you just can't see it right now because you are down in the pit.

I agree with these posts and esp. with Missy when she says to drink water. There are a lot of illnesses that can be relieved by drinking lots of water. As far as the thyroid/ adrenal question goes, often problems with both go hand in hand. My dad was hypothyroid and was extremely thin. I am hypo, but did go through times of extremely fast heartbeat. The problem there was that I was low on magnesium It didn't show on the test, but the test showed a slight deficiency in potassium. I thought it was really strange because the food I ate all contained potassium. Then I got on the web and it said that if you show low on potassium, but eat potassium-laden foods, it may be a lack of magnesium. Lack of magnesium doesn't always show. I started taking magnesium and haven't had a racing heart since. Prior to that, I was taken to the Emergency room twice, thinking I was dying, and had several episodes at home.

Thanks everybody for your suggestoins and support. And I have started taking magnesium and drinking more fluids also. Will obviously have to check out this thyroid and adrenal thing too and am goign to my doctor soon and hopefully get her to fill out a blood test form to do this and I'll get the ones suggested on here.

P.S above, there were two links to test for adrenals? The links didn't work....

Hi Bex

Sorry - I just checked them on my computer and they worked fine. Erm, don't know what to do now.
I could try emailing the links to you - see if that makes a difference. Think I still have your email address somewhere. I'll give it a go.

Nicola

HI BEX, FROM SCARLET,

I'm so sorry to hear that your getting worse. I was too and thought I was going to die just this past month. Here are some suggestions that I believe will make you alot better:

1. Don't take any pharmacecutical drugs. You are all ready toxic and have a low immune system and don't need anymore toxins to make you even sicker. Most all pharmacutical drugs are toxic and are unhealthy for your immune system! Remember that toxins of all kinds are the reason your sick to begin with. Your body is designed to heal itself, but if you continuously keep ingesting toxins it will tear down your bodies natural defenses to fight illness, and to function properly. So medication is not the answer!!!

2.Buy some powdered (Calcium Ascorbate) Vitamin C at the healthfood store to detox the colon from mercury. It goes in the colon after removal and can cause many allergies and eventually infects the blood. You can then end up with cancer. I believe I was heading down this road until I did this vitamin C flush. A vitamin C flush is when you take 1/4 teaspoon every 1/2 hour with a cup of water or juice until you have a bowl movement. Do this once a week for about 3 times. Than once a month after that.

PlEASE NOTE: Do not take EDTA of any form with Vitamin C since it can cause a dangerous reaction!!! Also, do the Vitamin C flush only after amalgam removal. I advise you to read, "Detoxification," by Hal Huggins for more details before doing the vitamin C flush!

3.Buy the book or get it from the library, "Eat right for your type," by Dr. Peter J.D. Adamo. Believe it or not, Even some healthy foods can be bad for your particular blood type. This book will tell you which foods are beneficial and which are harmful.

4.Take Acidophillus or Bifidus. Take one or the other, but not both at the same time since they are more effective taken seperately. This is very good for candidas. This will change your bad bacteria to good bacteria.

5. Don't eat any sugar, salt, processed foods. Only whole natural and hopefully organic foods if you can find it. Some blood types are healthier eating meat and diary, but if your a Type A like me, a vegetarian macrobiotic diet is beneficial for you, and meat and diary are harmful!

6. Take magnisium with calcium, not alone. I've read its not healthy to take alone! Also selinium is suppose to be taken with Vitamin E for better absorbion. Also Co enzyeme Q 10 should be taken with some kind of oil for better absorbion for example flaxseed oil, or omega 3 oil, or olive oil.

7. Find a Holistic doctor that will give you a saliva test with a Gas chromatagraph machine. It tests for many things including cancer. its only $90. here, but I don't know how much it is where you live. After the saliva test, the Doctor gives you a herbal formula that is custom made just for your chemistry and particular health problems. If your taking too much, or too little, the wrong kind of herbs, or mixing them togather wrong, it can cause adverse effects on your health!

8. I would also take Dallas and Missys advise as well!

After I did all the above, I became revived, Thank the Lord!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I hope this helps you, God bless you, I'll be praying for you!!!

SCARLET,

It may be unfashionable to say this on this board, and while I think all the advice about supplements is great, no quantity of supplements and healthy eating will replace HORMONES if that is what the body needs. Thyroid hormone is essential to life. Without it you die. I don't know that any of these supplements will replace the thyroid hormone that Bex, along with most other mercury toxic people, sounds like she needs. Thyroid hormone is not necessarily a pharmaceutical drug. Many people take Armour, which is natural dessicated pig thyroid, which is much more effective than pharmaceutical thyroid drugs, and which is highly rated by Andy Cutler. Building up the body with supplements in the hope that the thyroid can recover and start producing the quantity of hormone the body needs may be an option for someone who is only mildly hypo. But for someone who has been as longterm and severely ill as Bex I think it is irresponsible to suggest that this problem can be overcome with supplements alone. Thyroid problems can be fatal. Each to their own, but I know what I would be doing.

Nicola

Hi Nicola,, I apprecaite what you're saying and certainly it would seem pretty evident my adrenals/thyroid are under continual strain. I've had many things occur in the past that has caused long term problems for me, alongside and outside the mercury and I've not been ok since.

I haven't been able to recover or overcome anything anymore and maybe that's why. I don't know.

My doctor wants me on this stuff called goji juice and to monitor me and see how much it helps, she thinks it's rather wonderful stuff, so I wnat to give it a go, but I won't hold my breath.

I'm keeping the thyroid/adrenals very much in mind, but I am very financially strained right now and trying not to take on too many supplements at once, till I can pay off my credit card and get on top of things.

I am thankful for everybody to point this out so clearly because I am definitely thinking this may well be what's happening and why I cam't seem to bounce back when something goes wrong.

So i'll take steps for the testing etc, but will keep you posted if the goji juice does anything miraclous (yeah right...).

Bex, do you still have amalgams? Mercury blocks thyroid and messes up the conversion process. Until you clear out the mercury your body will not be able to use thyroid hormone like it should whether it is your own or a supplement.

I pray that the Goji juice will heal you Bex, and I will say extra prayers for you today too.


Sending you love and healing wishes all the way to down under....I wish we had a heart emoticon.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Best love
Sandi
xoxo

HI Sandi, thanks so much, I need it. I hope the goji juice might do something for me, but it's just highly expensive and something I don't think I'd be able to keep up over time.

Hi Missy, I don't have any amalgams no. But I do hve incompatible replacement materials that I need to have redone I think. Plus apparently cavitations in my jaw.

Not sure what is really doing what, it could be any of this afflicting me and causing stress to my body and mucking up everything, or I could have a lot of brain mercury.

Andy Cutler mentions that some people have a large burden of brain mercury and simply won't get well from a lot of things until they use enough lipoic acid to start clearing that out.

Problem is, right now I'm too weak to do anything and scared to try ALA because I had a bad experience with it a while back, and i think it was because I used it after I had a bad redistributino of mercury from a garlic supplement. So I think the mercury from the garlic must have gone into worse areas and then using the lipoic acid right after it, just pushed things in deeper and worse.

So I am wary. Next time I try it, I will make sure I use DMSA along with it though. I have heard that can be more stable.