News you won't see in controlled mainstream media.

HI, how are any of us supposed to know what to replace mercury with? I have reached such a point to where I see no hope or way out.

I had my amalgams replaced many years ago with composites. The dentist who did them hadno record of what she put in. I since had to have two redone but could not find out what to get them done in, so took a chance. I got wisdom teeth removed at the sametime. Since then, I've been a mess and cannot heal or improve one bit and qualitify of life has gone. I have tried to find out why and what to do.
I get a serum test, then some people tell me it's not vaid and it's a hoax, others say it is valid, but only on a certain level.

Then someone says that plastics are as bad as amalgam if not worse. Others say it's better. Then others say porcelain is the best, others say it's not, it contains metals. Then I hear that there is no such thing as a metal free restorative materials and that even plastics contain metals, plus petrochemicals.

Someone says aluminium oxide is bad, others say it's natural and part of many things things we already consume.

Some say diamond materials are the best and some do very well, others have had other reactions.

I am so tired and worn down by all of this, that I have seriously reached the end. I cannot even get a clear answer on cavitations adn have 4 health professionals stating different things and nobody will do the surgery on me. One says it's because I"m too ill, the ohter is in USA (i'm in another country) the other says he can't read my xray properly and I'll need to have another one done, and another health professional denies that I have cavitations in my upper jaw, but reackons I have dead pulp. gangrene in the lower jaw, even a bone scan showed them, but there are still contradictory results.

Is it any wonder some people just lose it? On top of this, I now get told if they're not done in a particular way, you won't heal from them, or they';ll recur. yet the way in which they should be done also gets contradicted.

I am truly certain this is a cause of suicide in many toxic people, they become totally distraught and overwhelmed arleady by their toxicity and howthey feel, on top of all this BS as well.

I seriously wish that I had never mucked around and got my wisdom teeth removed or composites redone in something I didn't know might hurt me.

Hindsight is a great and painful thing. Sorry I just really needed to vent. I wonder how many others on here are in the same situation.....many I bet.

I wouldn't be going on like this if I was able to make some form of progress or heal over time, but when there is not improvements and the years continue to go by regardless of my efforts, it eventually causes a person to buckle under it all.

Hi bex, i feel exactly the same, i just dont know where to turn, i feel that im not going to make it and i feel so sad about that as before i got ill i loved life so much and wanted to live til i was 100.
Mercury messed up my thyroid when i was a teenager and i had it removed and not one doctor told me that i should avoid certain things and that there was an alternative to T4 Levothyroxin, and as a result i havnt worked in 15 yrs and am in deep debt and illness. Doctors, dentists all scare me now, even holistic ones. my first dentist was holistic but they still did root canals and took out my teeth without cleaning it properly and they also use dental materials with aluminium and flouride in. The only thing holistic about my dentist is that he had some kind of degree in Yoga.
all the dentists and docs i have seen with my probs over the yrs have different opinions on everything. I may have to go on disability benefit if i cant get better.

Hi Dawn, yes, not just the conventional dentists, but also the so-called holistic ones sometimes too. They play on people's ignorance, but if you know too much becuse you've been forced to learn, they don't like that at all.

My dentist, biologic, seemed very aggravated by some things I had picked up off books and internet and told me that it was just random leaning and was not scientific. I failed to tell him that I based my beliefs on a book written by a biochemist who had studied mercury extensively for years on end and how to chelate it.

many of them have egos, so it's hard to get them to listen to you and hear you out and comply with what you want or need.

I had to laugh at your comment on your holistic dentist though! lol, my own doctor is the same way.

Yes, the aluminium/flouride and many other things contained in dental materials that pose a possible threat to health, as well as mercury. In many respects, i regret having mine done in the first place, though it was going ok for a while, no problem, but things went wrong in the end and that was it.

Bex and Dawn,
First a big Thank you and hug to you from me because I have gleaned so much useful information from the both of you.
You can't give up. I sense despair in you message Bex and I am very sad along side you but you just can't give up.
Have had the Cavitat Scan done? or the MRI STIR imaging done? I know they are probably expensive and may not have that where you are but it may be an option for complete assurance in the possibiity of cavitations and NICO's. Sounds like noone is really sure of themselves in your case but these tests are suppose to be failproof I hear.
Anyways, I just wanted to tell you how important you are to me and all of here on this board. My prayers are with you each day Bex.

Veg

Veg, thanks for the hug, i dont get many these days.
Bex, i have had the same thing with doctors and dentists, if i know a little too much they dont like it at all, my doc said that if i knew what was wrong with me why do i need him and i said, for a prescription and he didnt like it. he said never look at the internet. the medical system is a complete mess, no wonder we are aswell.

Bex and Dawn,

I second everything that Veg said in her reply. You have both been such a resource and encouragement on this forum, and much of the direction that I am taking has been based on the direction and learned wisdom that I have received from people such as yourselves. You have been a great help, and I wish and hope that somehow I can return the favor someday, somehow. I have been praying for the people in situations such as yourselves on this forum every day, and I'm sure that there are others that care about you that are praying for you as well. I know it sounds like a cliche to tell you to not despair, to not get discouraged, to hang in there--but I know that we still really mean it with all sincerity. I wish there was something that I could say or do to help in some other way. If there is anything that I can do, please let me know.

For the record, the more I think about it, the more that I feel that Walter Clifford is very knowledgeable and trustworthy in his field of expertise. I base this on the results of patients that have received the kinds of materials in their hips and other joints that are also used in the CEREC crowns. If these joints (which are actually placed within the body) are not causing major complications after years of use, then it seems to me that they should work well within the mouth as well, where they are in much smaller quantities. Besides, if these metals are already oxidized, then how would they become further oxidized in the mouth? Isn't this where the problems normally begin--in the metal's oxidation process? I can understand that old-style porcelain crowns may have caused problems in the past, but I understand that they also used to be held in place by a metallic base of some kind, which is where I suspect that the problems were really coming from. As I have mentioned in some of my previous posts, my problems began when I had my 'gold' crowns placed--even before my mercury fillings. I think that the main problems are related to the 'shiny' metal issue, just as Walter Clifford described. This would cover the old porcelain crowns with metal bases, all metal fillings containing dissimilar metals such as silver and mercury, and would also cover crowns with dissimilar metals such as gold and nickel. All of these 'shiny metals' to me would be guilty of causing huge amounts of electrogalvanism, which is where I believe that these matals are being introduced into people's systems and making them very sick. When the plastic or resin-based materials have been used and have made some people sick, it seems that it is the plastics in these materials that are causing the sickness (i.e. a hormone-type of effect), and not the metal oxides within them--is this correct?

My humble opinion would be that we should start an informational polling thread to share with everyone on the board, that would cover some basic information, possibly to include some of the following items:

1. What dental materials have been placed in your mouth?
2. How long have these materials been in your mouth?
3. Which dentist placed these materials, and were you satisfied with his/her work done? Did they follow a particular protocol, such as the Huggins protocol?
4. How much did this dentist charge for their procedures?
5. What kinds of precautions did the dentist use to minimize mercury vapor exposure during amalgam removal?
6. What kinds of precautions did you as the patient use to minimize your mercury exposure during amalgam removal?
7. If the dentist was good, where is this dentist located, so that others on the forum might use their services in the future?
8. Did you use testing of any sort to determine beforehand if these dental materials would be safe for you?
9. Did the test(s) miss anything regarding an allergic reaction that you might have had later?
10. Did you follow a specific order in the removal of your amalgams or crowns?
11. Have you chelated since having your dental materials replaced?
12. What kinds of chelation have you used? What dosages did you take, and how often?
13. Has the chelation been successful so far? What kinds of symptoms have decreased/increased since starting chelation?
14. Did you make any 'mistakes' during your chelation process that you wish you would have done differently in hindsight?
15. What kinds of supplements have you used during chelation? Have they helped reduce your symptoms?
16. Do you have any other possible health issues that do not seem to be related to your dental materials (previous or present)?

If we can get this information from everyone that has already been through this before, I feel like we should be able to get a better idea of what things might truly cause a negative impact. At the very least, we should be able to minimize these negative impacts, shouldn't we? As far as I know, I don't think that anyone on this forum has complained yet about the CEREC materials, is this correct? I remember at least one poster that had favorable results with these. Walter Clifford also seemed to think that they were VERY biocompatible, and I'm not sure what motive he would have to endorse one material over another. Bex also mentioned that one dentist said that no one had reacted negatively for 18 years now to CEREC materials that he had placed. I would have to take that dentist's statement by itself with a grain of salt, since he has an obvious profit motive. However, if there were several of us on the forum that could also testify to the biocompatibility of CEREC materials, then this claim would seemingly carry a MUCH greater weight of validity. I totally agree with Dawn--I just cannot trust dentists or doctors anymore--I only trust people that have had first-hand experience of some kind. Even then, I have to use common sense, and make sure that people relating first-hand experiences are not relating these experiences due to a profit-motive of some sort. (Sorry, that's the conspiratorialist within me that I have a hard time taming these days.) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

If anyone agrees that we should start this kind of thread, could they please mention it? I have been a little apprehensive about starting a new thread of this sort since I am pretty new here to this forum, and maybe am barking up the wrong tree due to my lack of experience (?).

Thanks,
Jason

Oh I am so sorry for you Bex and Dawn too, if you could come to Canada, I could take you to a good dentist for fillings and I think I have found a good one for cavitations too. I will keep you posted. I am not sure what my dentist used for my replacement fillings, but I would just as soon have had them all pulled after what I have been thru with this last cavitation....after 2 tries he finally got it right I think....I will know for sure after I have my next Cavitat testing. And if I had them all pulled it would have saved me about $15000 at least.

I have a great holistic dentist for fillings but for cavitations, he is for the birds. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> Next week I am going to a real oral surgeon, he works on people all over the continent....and he does conscious sedation so I can get all the other root canals and poor teeth out at once, I hope. That one extraction was worse than all 13 fillings combined. I have 8 more to get pulled. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

That is a great idea for a thread Jason, there is so much to sift thru here and we get off on other tangents.

We are all different when it comes to compatibility for materials, I think each individual may have different sensitivities. But I will ask my dentist what he used for mine, cause they seem to be good for me so far. And the testing alone almost $1000. Do these dentists think that our money grows on trees? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I am so far in debt, I will never see daylight...I am 55 and hope to get back to work soon so I can start to have a life and am now saddled with this exorbitant debt....but at least I know what it feels like to be semi normal and mostly mercury free.

I agree wholeheartedly with you Jason and Laurie.... Bex and Dawn have been such a help to all of us and they are suffering the worst. And I also wonder how many more there are out there...it is a damned shame that this metal issue has caused so much suffering and there is absolutely no one that we can hold accountable for it.

You are all in my daily prayers...I wish you could come here and get fixed. You could stay with us but we are moving into a one bedroom apartment...might be a little squishy, but you could sleep on our boat in the summer, might be kind of cool in the winter. And I am not kidding, if you want to come over, let me know, I will help make the arrangements.

Ok,

I am going to share some information that I been reading about. And google is going to be your best friend here. The answer is to have your teeth heal. The best solution would be no dental material in your mouth. Or at least the lowest amount. How have people healed teeth?

Simple...... Diet. But not any kind of diet. This is a diet based on your genes. Based on caveman...etc..

If you do a search for raw foods or raw RVAF. This is eating everything raw and that includes animal / fish protein. The key is the animal protein seems to allow the body to heal. If you look more into this, there is even web sites that talk about people regrowing their teeth back with a totally raw diet and adding minerals.

I am going to try this and see what happends. It might take many years but heck if that means I have teeth again I am all for it.

I am also going to see what it will take to put my teeth in the condition so they can heal.

wow, thanks all of you for such support and kindness. It sure is hard to hang in there, and I know it is for you all as well. Thanks Sandi so much for your offer, I'm not sure where you're located?? But your hospitality is really something else! Thank you so much for the offer. I live in New Zealand, so I'm REALLY far away from most places!!!
But hey, I'll keep it in mind.

Jason, I agree, i reckon we should really investigate whta people get in their mouths, how they felt and any unusual reactions or problems healing. I don't know if it's the metal oxides or plastics that are the issue. I think it depends what kinds they are. For instance, many glass ionomers can contain lead and arsenic that go over the limit of what people should be exposed to, perhaps these would definitely be an issue. As for aluminium oxide etc, not sure, as we both know it's contained in so many things anyway, that having it contained in ceramic, a hard material that doesn't leach out it's contents like amalgam or composite, might make it a safer bet for many people who simply would react to whatever they have. especially if their immune system is under attack from other issues at the sametime. I've asked a question on another forum about cerec and asking if anybody has it and how they feel. I am going to ask this on every forum I belong to and hope for responses and will get back to you all.


I would LOVE it if my teeth would heal over and I wouldn't have to get materials in my teeth, but the idea of risking this, having the materials taken out and spending years to try and recover, I do not know if I could risk that and spending that time with holes in my teeth. I just do not know. It sounds great, but I don't know what to believe, especially considering I have many other health challenges at the sametime they are hindering me from healing anyway. What these are is not completely clear.

Sandi, I have had a cavitat scan done. It cost me 700 NZ dollars, which is RIDICULOUS, but I was desperate. It showed definite cavitations in upper jaw, but not in lower, yet a doctor detected dead pulp / gangrene in my lower left jaw, which was after a recent wisdom tooth removal and he believes there is definitely something there. So it is very hard for me to kow what to do. One dentist said from my xray alone, it shows all wisdom tooth sites have cavitations.

I also can feel pain when I apply any pressure to those areas, a deep pain, so I think there is problems in all of them, also notice a pretty foul taste if I massage and push on them after a while. Id' not recommended doing that, but it can indicate a problem underneath if you feel pain or discomfort. E.g. you squeeze the cavitation site between thumb and forefinger, you don't have to really do it hard, and if you notice pain, there is normally a problem.

Anyway, I don't know what to do. I'm absolutely up in there air over all of this.

thanks again to you all for everything and your prayers. Really appreciated and you've all been so helpful to me too!

Bex... Please do a google search regarding raw diets and just read about it. It will blow your mind away. I been reading about this for about 2 weeks now and I am going to start to go on this in about a week. The guy who started it cured his cancer with this and he was suppose to die in a month and has lived now for 35 years past that month or something like that. But there is some amazing stories and results people are getting from this. There is also a yahoo groups on it.

HI there, thanks. I took a look on this web link http://www.rawpaleodiet.org/dental-regeneration-1.html The diet sounds great, but I would not use it as a guarantee of healing my teeth. There is no way I would recommend to anybody to take out your dental materials and simply rely on this diet and supplements alone. I'd be scared to do that.

It could take years if it does finally start to happen and it seemed to indicate it was more a layer of calcium that sealed over eventually.

I would go on this diet just for the healing and health side of it, but would be far too scared to rely on it for my teeth healing over and not knowing what to do in the meantime. Also, i could never guarantee that I would be perfect on this diet, I'd find it hard to consume raw meats (i'm fine with cooked meat), so I'd never know that the little I may not be doing perfectly would ruin it all.

I eat well enough now, raw vegetables, organic yoghurt, raw nuts, and I have meats and eggs, but I do cook the meats and eggs. My health is far to precarious for me to think the teeth could heal, I've tried many things and I remain very ill.

But it is very very interesting and I will take the supplements and things and try harder on my diet. I just do not think it's wise to fool around and remove the dental materials and leave my teeth exposed.

I'm just not sure about it. What do any of you think? What would be really great is, if you did get dental materials put in and you could eat this diet and if the teeth did start to heal, they would automaticlaly push the dental material off as they healed, though I can imagine people with 1000 dollar porcelain jobs might not be overly thrilled, but at least you'd have your teeth back <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I agree with you Bex, this diet concept sounds very interesting (and may even prove to be promising in the future), but I would not be willing to risk my teeth now based only on the information found on the website. At a minimum I would need to research a forum like we have here, and hear from several dozen other live people (not just written testimonies) that had actually tried this and succeeded at it, and related their experiences, as well as problems they had along the way as well.

I guess unfortunately I personally do not have enough discernment to be able to tell from a surface glance the difference between real methods of healing, and 'pie-in-the-sky' theories that haven't really been extensively tested and proven to be true. I admit that I'm also too chicken to be that much of a pioneer with my health, and test things that no one else that I have heard of has tried yet. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I have read about teeth healing on their own, and, about a year ago, my daughter was told she needed a filling. She missed the appointment because she came down with poison ivy and the receptionist didn't want her in the office. I was just beginning to learn about mercury, and so I didn't take her back for about six months. When she went back, there was no hole anymore. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Very interesting...If tooth regrowth is a reality, I wonder if the small tubules would also regrow, or whether it would just be a layer of solid material such as calcium like Bex had alluded to? I know I just couldn't bring myself to yank out my crowns in the hopes of the tooth regrowing itself properly over a few years--not to mention the possiblity of further tooth damage since they have now been so worn away by the dentist before placing the crowns on them. Small filling holes though might be more of a possibility (?). Think for now I might have to put this idea on the back burner for a while, and see where it leads in the future. Very interesting food for thought though...

Oh don't get me wrong I am not asking anyone to remove anything or have anything exposed. If you dig a little deeper, the things would just naturally fall out as the teeth are pushing the substance out.

I don't know how much truth is in all this but it is intresting. The key to the healing apears to be the raw meats and fat. Without this part, the body does not heal. Apprently it is the cooked meats and fat that are toxic to the body. But being on a raw veg/fruit diet also does not work correctly.

But that is the 1st link I also found... there is a lot more information out there that will blow your mind away. At least it did for me and I figure what do you have to loose. If it works you will be extreemly healthy. Worst case is you might get a little sick but lots of people eat raw fish, eggs and beef all the time. The key is to eat is all organic and juice along with raw dairy if you body can handle it.

That is an interesting point that you made phx about not being able to heal with just a raw vegetable/fruit diet alone. I think if I remember correctly, Hal Huggins also said that he has not had success in helping people with mercury toxicity heal with only raw fruits and vegetables--that protein is a must in order to really heal.

I'll definitely have to check more into this--it would really be nice if someday I wouldn't need to have my fillings anymore. I have to wonder though how the healing process would work with both my crowns and fillings--at what point would they be pushed out, and if they were pushed out, what would be left underneath in the meantime? And would this affect my bite between my teeth in the transition period before they were pushed out? Hopefully I don't sound like I am trying to start a debate--just a lot of things that I will have to ponder as this is a totally different direction that I haven't even considered before.

Jason

Thanks for being so supportive, it means such a lot and that in itself makes me feel better, your a bunch of great people, im so grateful for this forum.
Sandi, thats a wonderful idea about us going to canada, i would love to visit, it would be so great to meet up.
Lots of Hugs, Dawn.

Anytime Dawn and we'll take you for a boat ride on the ocean..come on down!!!

Sandi
xoxo

Hi Bex,

I feel so bad for you. Your life is very much like mine. Iv'e gone through alot of things similar to what youv'e gone through and it never ends!!! I'll be praying for you along with all the other sufferers on this forum!!! I too need all the prayers I can get too!

About getting frustrated with what to get in your teeth for a replacement, I'm just as confused as you are!!! So I asked Russ how he and Laura were doing now that their amalgams were out, and Russ said that their health is doing well! There Dentist that removed their amalgams was Dr. Behm in Clear water Florida. Go to www.saveyourteeth.com to find this dentist web site. Another dentist whos web site looks good is Dr.Wolfe.[url=http://www.drwolf.com.][/url] I don't know how good this dentist is although he sounds like he may be good. Check out on the google search and see what you think.

Both of these dentists are biological dentists. Dr. Behm uses completely metal free crowns, he also uses diamondlite and diamondcrown for the filling material from DRM research labs. Laura has diamondlite and is doing fine with them. This dentist does muscle testing ( kinesiology) which is alot more accurate than a blood serum test. They don't only use materials that are individually compatible, but also generally compatible and safe to most people. So I would check out Dr. Behm and see if he can help you.

I'm going to get all the MSDS on all the 4 materials that Dr. Behm uses. I'm also going to see if the labs of these materials do the complete ISO and ANSI tests on them. I'm also going to ask what the results of those test are too. Since this dentist did a good job on Russ and Laura he will probably do the same for others.

I got 2 bone infections which is causing even more bone loss than I had before. At the same time I got Lingual and Inferior Aveolar nerve damage that is excusiatingly painful. At the same time I got toxic white composites in almost every one of my teeth that are full of Bis phenol A, an estrogen producing substance.

I got all this from the same so called biological dentist in Colorado Springs who removed all the toxic dental materials I had before. I use to have a mouth full of amalgams, porcelein aluminum oxide crowns which had nickel in them, a gold crown, and some other white composites. All the dissiminilar metals I had in my mouth caused so much electrolysis that it almost killed me 7 months ago. I still have the temporary crowns in my mouth which I'm sure are also making me ill.

Unfortunately there are very few dentists out there that know about bone infections, bone loss, nerve damage, and the safest dental materials, all at the same time. As far as I'm concerned theres hardly any dentists that are qualified enough to solve all these problems. Also I don't think theres any material safe enough for my fragile health either. My health is so fagile like yours that I don't feel like I'm going to live much longer either. Surely eating for my blood type has worked wonders for my allergies and health and many symtoms have gone away, but now I got every symptom of MS and feel like I'm becoming crippled, along with other symptoms that will not go away!

I feel that if I can't find safe enough fillings and crowns, I'm going to have to settle for the least toxic partial or denture. At least if that starts to make me sick I can take them out my self with out relying on a dentist!!!

May God bless you Bex, thank you so very much for contributing so much to this forum! Your perserverance to help others with what little strength you have is an inspiration to us all!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

HI Scarlett, thanks so much for your post. Yes, you have gone through the works also. Why some people seem to go through it well step by step, and others seem to go from one complication to another is quite beyond me. PErhaps some of us are more sensitive than others, or have more than mercury going on at the sametime. I'm not sure.

I live in New Zealand, so could not see those dentists you gve the links to, I can't make the trip. I can possibly go to a dentist overseas in Australia that is much closer to new zealand though. He uses cerec porcelain (which I know has aluminium oxide in it, but not sure what impact this alone has on people's heatlh), also uses heliomolar composite (which apaprently has fluoride).

I have actually had diamond in my mouth before and do not know if it was that or the mercury vapor in the office, or the local anaesthetic, but two weeks following doing that, I had continual heart palpitations, nervousness and mental fears. I was basically a mess. Though I finally had them out and a different material put it, II continued getting symptoms and found out the stuff they replaced the diamond with is definitely (Filtek supreme) incompatible.

The diamond showed ok on my blood serum test (I didn't hve one back then though, had one done pretty recently), so am not certain why I had symptoms, and perhaps it wasn't them afterall. I was tested with kinseology on them too and they were supposedly fine.

So really, not sure what to trust. Quite possibly I was affected by mercury vapor in the dental office, more than the diamond itself. But I will never know.

THis is why I do not wish to get it back in my teeth, I'm just not sure. I may have to go with heliomolar, the biolgoic dentist in australia uses it and seems to think it's fine for most patients.

So I don't know what other choice i have. Porcelain I thought was good, but it's too expensive and I hear good and bad, as with just about any other dental material.

I'm really sorry to hear that you are having such symptoms and I really hope you can find something for your mouth that is not going to set your immune system off, or other things.

Thanks again for your kind post and prayers too. I should pray more myself for myself and for others, cause we all need it.

Take care

Bex. (thank you for the links though).

HI BEX, FROM SCARLET,

What ever you do, DON'T GET THE HELIOMOLAR FLOW OR PORCELEIN!!! I know its your chioce but we don't want to loose you!!! Heliomolar flow has Bis phenol A and other toxic ingredients in it!!! I remember doing research on the MSDS. Also porcelein as you know already has aluminum oxide in it. I had lots of these and the alluminum was very high on my hair analyisis test. I tend to believe it does leach out because I had such bad memory loss, that I couldn't even remember the last part of each sentence each time I spoke.I'm sure this was from mercury as well, but my mom has porcelein only and is now loosing her memory.

That so called biological dentist wants to put in your month what every other regular dentists would put in. I think hes just as much as a quack as the so called biological dentist I had that put the toxic Filtre Supreme in.

And no I don't think its because you and I are weaker than anyone else. I think we are actually very strong. Most people would have died after what we went through. I personally know someone who has a brain tumer from only 5 amalgams and she is only 35. I remember when I was only 5 I never got sick and was extremely healthy. My mom and dad are far healthier than I am and they are 78 and 88 years old. The only thing is that my mom is loosing her memory somewhat now. She has all percelein crowns and she is 78. My dad has all high grade gold in almost all his teeth, and has a better memory than most 20 year olds, and he is 88!

IWe were lucky enough to have one quack after another that keep doing one mistake after another on us!!! I forgot to mention that after all the mistakes this last dentist and the first dentist did on me, the 2nd dentist ruined 10 of my teeth to where even the Dental society couldn't deny it!!! I'm so fed up with these quaacks that I'm so close to getting rid of all my teeth just so they can't touch them any more!!!

When they have destoyed my life with sickness and pain, that may be one thing, but when I hear about them destroying other people lives as well, I get enraged!!! I hate to hear about your suffering and all the other people suffering on this forum!!!

Sorry for all the venting!!! But I bet you understand completely how I feel since your going through the same thing!!! Bex, do you remember you recommended Integrated medicine in New Zealand? That dentist sounded like a one and a million great dentist that knows everything about bone infections as well as safe dental materials!!! Why don't you go to him? When you told me that you live in New Zealand I said to myself, "She is lucky to live in the same place as that dentist!"

IF I WERE YOU I WOULD CHECK HIM OUT, BEX!!! If he is what he says he is than he must be good, but once again be careful anyway and make sure! Your health can't tolorate anymore mistakes caused from dentists.

Bex, are you detoxing with DMSA? DMSA will cause you to feel sensitive to mercury and cause, bad reactions to it when you are in a dental office. I just went to a regular dentist just to get a few xrays, and I didn't have any reaction to the mercury in his office. This is because I have always been detoxing with clay baths which have been doing an excellent job before and after removal! I've' read that many people have gotton bad reactions from both DMPS and DMSA. Iv'e even heard that some people have gotton permanent side affects from DMPS as well.

Have you ever detoxed your colon with calcium ascorbate powder? You can't do this though if your taking EDTA.

Did you know that Reflexology, acupressure, accupuncture, and Gi gong and Tia chi gets gets rid of energy blockages and gets it flowing again. Everytime I would do these things,WOW, would they make me feel so much better!!! Believe me, they do work to help get rid of pain and sickness!!! I do know though that if we don't get down to the bottom of all this and get rid of the source of the problem in our teeth, than are illnesses will always keep coming back!

Until then there are actually many things I'm doing that have made me much better. If you want to tell me every suppliment your taking including medication, detox methods your using, foods your eating, I think I could help you somewhat. Many of the allergies and negative symptoms have completely gone away just from studying from highly recommended books of all kinds and doing what each one says according to my individualy problems. Since Iv'e been studying herbs and vitamins for about 15 years, I got a head start when I started doing research on mercury and heavy metal toxicity. Iv'e learned that the health regimin of a toxic person is totally different from a healthy person with few health problems . I also learned that the foods that are good for a certain blood type may not be good for another blood type. All these things must be considered when creating a perfect health plan for your individual needs. You also have to consider that certain herbs conflict with other herbs, medications, and even detoxing methods. For example don't ever do the vitamin C (calcium ascorbate)flush for the colon while taking EDTA. You could become temporary paralized!!!

I wanted to ask you, Bex, are you aware that bone infections also affect a certain part of the body depending on what tooth it is that is infected? Read, Root canal cover up, by George E. Meing. In Chinese medicine, if you for example have arthritis in the right knee, it means your infection is located in the area that causes arthritis in the right knee.

Please forgive me for such bad grammer and spelling!!! I wish mine was as good as yours. You have very good grammer!

May God bless you,, I hope somehow you get much better and your misery finally ends soon!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

SCARLET,

Hi Scarlet, I have just spent time typing out a letter and getting things prepared for this dentist who uses heliomolar and have sent all the stuff to him. First I got told not to go near cerec and now this.

I can't seem to do anything right. I have used diamond in my teeth and two weeks later I had heart palpitations and adrenaline rushes daily. I can't say it was definitely attributed tothediamond, but I never knew what started that off.

The dentist I recommended in my own country is good, but he will not do any work on me in my condition. Also he insists on continual visits throughout treatment (no dental work, just evaluation and supplements), each time I see this guy, I get worse from mercury vapor exposure. He also uses diamond products and i was going to risk getting them again, but I just don't know what to do. I spent nine hour car trips to see this dentist, hotel expenses the entire deal, yet he still would do no dental work on me. I can understand that, but the travel, hotel expense and then being re-exposed to vapor in his office environment has finished me.

The links you sent are for people in USA, I am in New Zealand, I could never afford to make an overseas trip to USA.

With all due respect, I cannot take much more of any of this. I simply cannot get help.

I know heliomolar isn't perfect, but I don't know if I can chance diamond again, I'mnot certain what happened to me the time I got it put in, yet I had it removed and didn't really get better anyway, if anything it seemed I got worse from what was put in instead, but I also had wisdom teeth done, so it could be that.

I'll never know, but I have given up.

thank you anyway.

Well Bex, I tryed. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

You can take a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. All I can say now as to a response to your last post is exactly what I already told you. Did you read my last post? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

There were many suggestions and I was recommending a dentist in New Zealand not the USA! I think your referring to the post I typed before that.

Please read the last post I typed you carefully, and there will be my response to your last post.

The website to the New Zealand Dentist and oral surgeon Is www.integrativedentalmedicine.com. The Dentists name is Dr.Jacques Imbeau, D.M.D. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I can only suggest things to you but ultimately the decisions is yours!!! Good Luck!!!

SCARLET,

Hi Scarlett, I did read your post carefully and already responded about the dentist in my own country, new zealand, I had already been to him as I said and he will not do any work on me. He refuses to because of how ill I am. He has attempted to help me, but as I mentioned everytime I go into his dental office (any detnal office) i become repoisoned and I was not using DMSA at that time. It doesn't matter what i use or don't use. There are some people who react severely to mercury vapor in the dental office and remain long termly sick after it.

And the dentist is the one you recommended Dr jacques imbeau. He is for sure a top dentist, which is why I located him and wanted to him to do the work. He works with patients on an ongoing personal level (face to face) consultations, testing, xrays, protocols to prepare the patient for any dental work. He refuses to do any surgery or dental work on a sick/weak toxic patient and I can completely see his view on this and think it's great that a dentist takes onboard the whole person, not just the mouth.

Imagine how I felt when each time I went to see him (only two visits), the mercury vapor repoisoned me severely enough to be wiped out and so ill, I coudl not recover for another trip. Even now, after all this time, I am still suffering from it. He knows this problem I have, and he takes all precautions in his office to keep it clear from mercury, but for me? I am so hyper sensitive and toxic, that it was unavoidable. I was not on DMSA t the time, I was trying the stuff he had me on. I have been this way since a few years back after my immune system was badly weakened by a bacterial infection (that's when dental offices suddenly became dangerous to me). Before that? Never had an issue.

So I was defeating the purpose. If I had been able to have treatment from him at a distance? Perhaps thing might have worked out at some point, but he needs to see patients every so often throughout the treatment protocols to monitor them, see how they are progressing (or not) and make any changes if necessary. He is professional, he is thorough, but for me? I was not working out and this was frustrating to me and I ended up spending a lot of money to have al this done, only to hit a brick wall.

I did try and find another dentist and located one in a country near me in Australia. His website is http://www.shdc.com.au/ If you are interested in checking.

But anytime someone or some dentist begins recommending further health regimes, I turn away now. i've had this so much and continued on year after year getting no better, this is why I have all but given up. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink is true, but I wonder if you have any idea how many times I've been going in circles with trying this and trying that and being put on all manner of protocols and pretty much financially crippled by the whoel thing, whilst no dentist will do a darn thing about cavitations or anything else. They seem tot hink I will magically start improving from their recommendations, when obviously something is preventing my body from responding.

I have heard a few good things about heliomolar, this is why I decided perhaps that might be ok. They all contain toxicitiy, one way or another it is unavoidable. But the dentist I spoke to claims that this is the main one he uses because it does not seem to cause problems in most patients. I've heard the same from other areas as well. But of course, I hear the downside of it too, so it's making life very difficult.

I have already had diamond in my teeth as I have also said. I developed odd effects two weeks later, this is supposed to be the BEST dental material. Perhaps it was, and maybe my problem was simply vapor expousre or local anaesthetic toxicity, I will never know because I had them removed and replaced but sadly never got better, probably worse if anything.

You have tried to help I know, but I guess I am just so tired, I am hardly able to even respond right now. I am trying as hard as I can with my diet etc, but things are not improving at all this time around.

I hope you have better luck than me in having things rectified. I even tried another dentist in my own country, i faxed him and told him my entire situation, and what did he do? He forwarded my fax onto Dr imbeau (the very dentist I had already seen) telling me that he didn't think he'd be up for the job adn that this dentist would be more suitable.

So you can imagine how embarrassing that was, considering I was still under Dr Imbeau' at the time, but desperately wanting to find a dentist who would get me in and do the work on me hopefully in one go (because of mercury in the office).

Anyway, I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. Thanks for your suggestsions and concerns also, I know you are being very helpful and kind and I would not be responding as I am if I was not quite as ill. I would warn anybody never to touch antibiotics if you can avoid them.!!!

take care.

HI Bex, i understand where your coming from, everytime i go into a dentist i get horrific symptoms , i know for sure because i have been for 15 minute checkups recently in a mercury free dentist and feel terrible afterwards and it lasts weeks. We must be so sensitive to mercury because we are severly poisoned. I am overdue for another checkup for a cavitation but i cant go, i dont know when i will ever be able to have this checked out. take care, dawn.

HI Dawn, yes if it was not for this problem, I would have been able to make progres instead of getting further poisoned. The dentists who say they are biologic, yet continue to remove mercury in their offices (and not in a seperate zone), make me quite angry. Regardless of their sophisticated extraction systems, they cannot overcome the vapor of mercury which gets into anything and goes anywhere and everywhere. Because they can work in it and not notice what it's doing, they don't think there is a problem. But until someone like us enters their office and gets a severe reaction, it's evident enough that they are still a source of terrible toxicity (biologic as they are).

That is pretty sad, considering we go to them to get help from this in the first place. It shouldn't be allowed to happen, nor should they even be a risk of it happening.

But what we can we do? Go there equipped in a space suit and oxygen tank? The sad thing is, I WOULD DO THAT IF I COULD.

I sure hopeyou can improve enough to get the rest of the dental job done. I don't know, this is worse than frustrating it's appaulling.

Take care Dawn.

Bex, i have considered going in with a face mask on which i use when im painting, but then i thought whats the point, he has to see inside my mouth so id have to take it off, some people may think im a complete looney but its very serious to me.

I know Dawn, that's how I feel about it too. The first time I went in, I tried breathing through my mouth instead of my nose. Goodness knows why, but in my head I figured maybe I'd avoid more uptake of vapor into the brain from the nasal cavity.

Sure enough, got wheezing in my lungs instead. I was ill, but the second time I breathed through my nose and I swear it was worse, but again he had been in his premises longer and no doubt had much more mercury vapor in there.

So really I don't know. The only thing you could do is inform your dentist of this problem and ask him if you can come in and be put on alternative breathing source, which they give people during amalgam removals (hopefully). But then, most of the time they don't want to know, that's what I've experienced. If anything, it seems to annoy them. Why I wonder? It's not our fault we're hypersensitive to it, which is probably why we're so ill with it, our body is undergoing a continual reaction.

You know, there are dentists who have had to leave their profession because of this? The mercury vapor in their office ended up making them so ill they had to leave. Many became so sensitive in fact, they were unable to even enter a dental office again! So it seems to me, that sometimes, somehow, a person's body can sensitise itself to mercury to the extreme and make matters even worse.

Hi Bex,

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was referring to my suggestions. I was trying to help by telling you how home remedies and therapies helped me by about 50%.

Not many can imagine what Iv'e gone through not only with sickness but also excusiating nerve pain too! Iv'e been rejected by 9 dentists so far because I was and still am too sick. Of course I still had to pay for all the consultations and tests too.

Its amazing how the dentists are more than willing to put the poison in, but how unwilling they are to take it out once it has made us sick. They would rather protect their own hide from a law suit in case you die in their chair, instead of help you. There is no accountability. Out of all the suffering I had to endure, this makes me the most mad!!!

Some of my posts will give an idea of what Iv'e gone through, though there is so much more to tell in the book I'm going to publish.

I hope what ever you do you have better luck than I had too.

By the way, I have Filtrex supreme composites along with other people I know, and we all got palpations along with other weard side affects. So we all used progesterone cream to balance our hormones, and the palpatations dissappeared, but all the other symptoms remained. The Filtrex Supreme have estrogen behaving substances called Bis phenol A and Bis phenol GMA which can cause breast cancer and all other kinds of hormonal problems.

I won't take any antibiotics or pharmaceutical drugs unless it is a temporary emergency and nothing else will work. Other than that, I'll always take natural herbs for example Echinacea and Golden seal for colds, flu, and bacteria infections which works excellent!!! Iv'e also heard that Astragalus, Olive leaf, and Mangosteen juice is good for this too. Thank you for the advise about antibiotics!

Hi Everyone,

Right now I just found out that I'm allergic to 35 different foods caused from all the toxins I had in my teeth! I get a bad reaction everytime I eat these foods! I knew I was allergic to some foods, but I didn't know I was allergic to that many! Even though there isn't much variety of foods I can eat now, that doesn't bother me so much, since I finally found out what is causing the strange symptoms.

I will be taking an herbal blend to detox with along with a special diet that the Bio-kinetic doctor gave me. I will also stick to the type A diet that has been working well for me so far. What ever I eat though, will only be the foods that are allowed by both the Bio-kinetic doctor and the Type A diet just to be on the safe side! By doing all this, I hope soon I will be able to tolerate more dental treatment when I get the Filtrex supreme composites out, and the permanent crowns in.

I forgot to mention that I won't eat many acid forming foods either since I along with most sick people with mercury and heavy metal toxicity are acidic already. The bodies PH should be more on the alkoline side than the acid side to be healthy. Toxins which cause desease, acid forming foods, and stress all contribute to becoming more acidic. The ultimate thing I want to do, which I keep procrastinating to do, is a raw juice fast! This is the healthiest thing most people can do to detox and get the liver and other organs functioning properly again! The enzymes in raw vegetables are not lost when they are raw. Also they are more alkoline than acidic when raw.

If your interested in knowing what you are allergic to, the name is THE CREATIVE HEALTH CENTRE, 1-250-756-1984. You can send a saliva sample and they will test it for only $90. They test your relative energy used by the cells for a specific organ or system. They can even detect (unbalanced tissue) which is another name for cancer accordingly to them. Although they don't use medical terms, you do get a general idea of how toxic you are and what organs have been affected by your toxicity. All this is done by a Bio-kinetic doctor. They serve 6 different countries world wide and have been highly recommended by some people!!!

from SCARLET,

Hi Sandi,
I'm from Vancouver too and am looking for a good holistic dentist here that would perhaps be able to use diamondcrown on a filling i need fixed. Do you have a recommendation? Thanks!

(in regard to topic)
Im sorry to hear thats how you feel Bex, Dawn and everyone else. I too know how frustrating all these contradictions are and not sure who to believe in or what to do. I think the only way to move on is to do what you believe in yourself otherwise your not going to get anywhere.

Also the fear and stress of all these contradictions can lead to anxiety and depression which in turn can cause the suicidal tendancies. I know cause I was their at one stage. Its awful. I used to think how reliable is this test and then hear horror stories of other people mis-diagbnosed for certain illness' like thyroid.

I highly recommend CBT to help with any stressful thoughts. Its no cure but it helps deal with problems and what your not sure of. If you do basic CBT yourself it can be really helpful. If you want to know more I can email an attachment with CBT helpsheets you can print off and do them daily.

What does anyone consider safe though? ones food can be anothers poison right so I think that we just have to go by what works for us. So far diamondlite seems to be the most reliable.

To anon
I have used a couple of dentists who are mercury free in the lower mainland although I had my mercury removed by a specialist in California
Send me a private e-mail and i will give you my number here in New West
Al