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Our ND says too many people go downhill after amalgam removal and suggest chelation without removal...

Her basic recomendation was the following:
DMPS IV challenge test (we refused to do this)
DMSA 10mg/kg or 750mg (250mg 3x/day) for 3 days on 11 days off
Whey protein 2 Tbls 2X day
NAC 500mg 3x day

Plus I was already on a supplement regimen (lots of c,e), PRETTY close to the many recommendations I've seen here.

Anyone see any real dangers in this protocol and what to look for in terms of danger signs?

I would find another doctor,how can you remove the poison if the source is left inside,that's just common sense.
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Sounds very similar to the protocol I have been on. Apparently recommended by Dr Walter Crinnion. I know that a few people were concerned that I was using DMSA while I still had amalgams in place but my Dr argued that my levels needed to be reduced before we attempted removal. I did a DMSA challange test (before I knew to question this) but had no bad effects however became very ill on my first cycle of DMSA (10mg per kg broken over 3 doses per day) and had to stop after 1st day. Next cycle reduced dose to 100mg 3 x day and all ok for the 3 days. Then Bex loaned me Dr Cutler's book which talks about taking DMSA 4 hourly which made a lot of sense! (keeps levels even in your blood) My Dr read with interest so was decided that I would break the dose over 6 doses per day and take 4 hourly. I feel that the DMSA is working for me but it does affect me when I'm taking it. Nothing too horrendous but flu like symptoms and my thyroid aches! Am going to dentist on 8th Nov to see if well enough to have amalgams removed but likely I will need to wait longer. I know that the consultant Dr that our Lab in NZ (FX med) uses also recommends waiting to after chelation for amalgam removal.

Also.... should have said that Dr Walter Crinnion spent 20 years refining and perfecting the heavy metal and enviromental medicine detoxification protocol. He now lectures on enviromental medicine at Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine.

SCOTTZ, I reccomend you get your hands on the book from Hal Huggins-- "It's all in Your Head"

I read that before I got my 8 metal fillings removed- It mentions there that mercury fillings continue to vaporize methyl mercury into the body- even after death!


It would be pointless for you to chelate and NOT have those fillings removed, because as soon as you chelate, more mercury will eventually enter your system within hours.

Mercury fillings never out-gas themselves. According to Hal Huggins research and others-- the more you wear down or scrape off of an amalgam filling, the more mercury is released.

Mercury is contained throughout the entire amount of filling- not the surface.


Chelating will also have the hazard of pulling mercury out of existing amalgams and redistributing it throughout your body and sinuses.

Your nutritionist means well and is sincere no doubt-- but he/she needs to do more research on this particular matter.

Before I had my fillings out, I bragged about what I was going to do to an owner of a healthfood store. He felt I should leave them alone for the same reason your nutritionist said. He even has metal fillings in him, and will not have them removed out of this fear.

Since I am bold by nature-- hehehe, I figured- - Heck with it!-- Im getting them out!!

So I got two removed at a time, every month -- from May 12 2005 to September 11, 2005. I took all the detox things- (activated charcoal, Algin, Vitamin C with bioflavonoids, etc) before and after each dental visit.

The dentist used a rubber dam in my mouth- and i made sure to get plenty of clean oxygen afterwards-- and washed out my eyes in canned saline solution. And took a shower immediatly after every dental visit.

I do not regret it to this day- and many annoying health problems left forever within that month-- the migraines and small muscle twitches left that night.

I began chelating immediatly after my last filling removal- and am still taking Chlorella, Algin, Activated Charcoal, Butchers Broom (and started taking Alpha Lipoic Acid 3 months after my initial chelating)

Scott,

My doctor also hesitated to advise getting my amalgams removed because for some people, they get worse as a result. I think that if you go to a dentist that takes the proper precautions, you don't have to worry a lot. But, it does release mercury into your system in the process, but as long as you have a doctor guiding you in the process, you should be fine. My doctor had me work my way up to 8 caps of chlorella for 2-3 weeks prior to the removal, high doses of vit c for a few days following the removal, along with continuing the chlorella for a while.

My doctor personally felt that it was ok to chelate without removing the amalgams...but I didn't agree, so he guided me through the process of getting them removed. First of all, if the source is still there, as the others said, it's impossible to really get rid of the mercury. Also, every piece of literature I have read on chelation warn not to do it without first removing your amalgams. Some people feel that chelating can pull more mercury from your fillings and into your body. If you're up in the air about it, do some readings from well-known researchers and doctors who are experienced with mercury and chelation.

If your doctor is anything like mine, he will understand whatever decision you make and help guide you through it.

I ended up getting my amalgams removed this summer, with a holistic dentist, and it worked out fine for me. I didn't get any better, but I didn't get any worse. Which was fine with me. I will probably start chelation in a few months after I strengthen some other systems in my body (adrenal, thryoid, hormones).

Good luck with the decision.

~Tia

I definitely recommend reading Huggins' book It's All In Your Head. This is the book my business partner and I read which convinced us that we needed to have our amalgams removed. It also details the safety protocols you want to make sure your dentist uses. This book helped change our lives! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Hi, there are so many different protocols out there, that it makes it very tough on the patient to know which one is best for them. My personal experience in trying anything is basically taking very small doses and monitoring your symptoms very carefully. If you experience any frightening symptoms, back off and stop taking it, or stop for a while, lower the dose and try again another time.

As Jid said, I leant her a book that I recommended that details a very safe protocol by Andrew Hall cutler. He suggets that DMSA should be used every 4 hours around the clock for about 3 - 7 days and then taking a break of the same amount of time you spent on it, or longer if necessary.

You take only small doses of DMSA. He says 50 mg, but most have to start as low as 12.5 mg or even 6 mg in some extreme cases. And then working up later from there as side effects allow.

His reasons for this every 4 hourly protocol is that it keeps the blood levels of the chelating agent DMSA relatively even, therefore the movement of mercury iskept more consistant and even, without the sudden starts and stops or random chelation that can mobilise a lot of mercury and move it anywhere and everywhere. If a person takes DMSA less than every 4 hours, they can risk more erratic movement of mercury and mercury can too easily move into the brain if it is not done in a safe and controlled manner on a dose that is tolerated by the patient.

Amalgam removal is recommended before chelating, there maybe a risk of increasing mercury coming off amalgams if ones, but can't be sure.

Yes, amalgam removal can make a person worse if they have not done the research, have not gone to the right biologic dentist, and have not had the replacement materials to see if they are safe for them. Everything has to be taken into account, mercury removal is dangerous, which is why some choose to level it alone, however, in leaving it in your mouth, you will always have a daily intake of it. It depends on your body's personal sensitivity and tolerance and ability to excrete mercury, rather than build it up in the tissues and organs.

Getting them out can expose a person to a massive amount of mercury during the replacement, unless they have ALL the protection possible, but even then it is not entirely avoidable.

on top of this, a person would need to be on a strict candida diet, avoiding all sugars, gluten grains, yeasts, even fruit and milk, to lower the yeast in the body which is almost ALWAYS high in mercury toxicity, allowing the body to heal better, detox better and cope with the mercury easier and it takes a load of the gut and liver also.

As Hal Huggins said, diet destroys more recoveries than anything else!!! People who continue to eat this and that, may end up in a very bad way and not realise they are both mercury toxic and candida toxic at the sametime. Candida also methylates mercury.

So many things have to be taken into account. Diet (plus consuming healthy fats and proteins like butter, extra virgin olive oil, organic coconut oil, eggs, meat (even with the fat on), acidophilus yoghurt, raw nuts (almonds and brazil are best), vegetables cooked and raw (best to avoid potatoes due to high starch/natural sugars). Someone who is not as laden with candida can get away with consuming limited fruit, milk and potatoes, many of us can't.

Aside from this, supplements that are good and essential like antioxidants (vitamin C, vitamin E, selenium), minerals, like magensium, zinc, and some B complex. etc.

If you are going to embark on amalgam removal, I advise you to get a serum compatibility test done to check on your reactiosn with other dental materials and choose one that is most suitable to you. If you have incompatible dental materials. chances are that this will further challenge a person's immune system and they will have problem excreting the mercury or coping.

Maybe those patients didn't get their fillings removed properly???

Most people don't know about the proper safety precautions nad just rush in and have them removed anyway they can, thinking this will be enough to cure them, not realising they can get very ill.

Also, some people get worse as the body attempts to dump it's storage of mercury once all amalgams are gone. This is something that can occur and is very unpleasant to say the least. It's like being repoisoned. Because the body is no longer having to absorb the daily intake of mercury, it can go into dumping mode.

Proper safe chelation can help this and begin clearing the mercury out of hte blood and tissues. DMSA is a good starter for this.

alpha lipoic acid is used much later on once mercury levels in the body are reduce further. Alpha lipoic acid (ALA), is able to chelate brain/organ mercury, but is risky if it's used too early on as if the body/blood levels of mercury are still too high, chances are ALA might move more mercury into the brain on it's way in. Also, it should be used safely, low doses and preferably every 3 hours around the clock for a few days each week (with DMSA or on its own). Keeps teh blood levels even (like with DMSA).

For those with minor problems, I hear that the foot detox patches are useful for those who still have their fillings in.

Also, I was wondering about people who have only old fillings in their mouth, i.e., 35-50 years, and no new ones.

i was also reccommended this but went ahead and had all my amalgams removed at once big mistake ivenever felt worse

I've read that it's a kind of no-win situation i.e. the choice is between either risking getting worse with removal or worse with keeping them in. I'm convinced that having the amalgams gave me OCD and a host of other problems. Therefore, removal is the only chance of getting better. Since first round of removal I have had 3 female cycles (albeit very short ones) in 6 months, whereas before I was lucky to get one in 2 years. So, I feel it has had a benefit. However, others get worse from the mercury removal, especially if they don't get it done properly and follow poor diet.

Like a lot of people, I have no doctor to help so have to do it alone. NHS doctors don't deal with mercury poisoning and I can't afford to pay for a doctor. I got the best dentist I could find who uses all precautions and test for diamondlite compatibility, and I hope that helps me.

I have had both improvement and worsening of some symptoms after removal. I think a lot of things come into play i.e. how fast body excretes mercury. To have got as sick as I did as quick as I did after amalgam placement, I think my problems is extreme sensitivity to mercury. But I think I excrete it fairly quickly. Others might have an excretion problem, and no so much a sensitivity problem, and therefore removal might make things worse for them because they can't excrete what's in their system - and then they get more at removal. So, my personal view is that mercury doesn't behave in people the same (hence why some people are affected and otehrs not appear to be). Just my humble views.

Tracy

thought you had your amalgams removed by El-Essawy? He is supposed to be very good, with a high level of protection. I almost went to him but in the end couldn't even get out of bed, never mind on a plane to the UK. I had mine removed one by one. Do you think you are worse because you had them all done at once?

Nicola

I cannot help but believe that many well-trained dentists are not taking all of the safety precautions necessary for safe removal, and I think this is why some (or most) of the people who get sick after removal do.

Both Laura and I had removal on the same day and had numerous protections and neither of us got worse. I believe we were very fortunate (and prudent in interviewing dentists on the phone before selecting one) and happend to have access to a great one.

It seems that, with all of the proper protection in place, the amount of exposure should be fairly small.

In fact, here is a list of precautions that were taken during my removal:

Precautions During Mercury Removal

Also, I would personally be hesitant to perform chelation with fillings still in. I understand the point of preparing for the removal, but using DMPS to do this seems pretty harsh to me. Just my opinion.

Russ, what about DMSA? All the info I have says that DMPS should not be used when fillings are in but that DMSA is OK.