News you won't see in controlled mainstream media.

I know from speaking to a few people of the forum that we seem to be living in a never ending nightmare. We are trying so hard to help ourselves, different supplements, diets, and some de-toxing. Thyroid support, steroids and yet nothing seems to be working for us and we dont know where to turn. All of us have families and are trying so hard to cope but really dont seem to be getting anywhere. I have had the worst day ever today and just felt like sitting in a corner and screaming. I m trying desprately to hold on until I see the neurologist on Dec 7 but sometimes I,m scared I won't be able to. I have had about 3 hours sleep in the last five days and sometimes think I'll end up insane through this alone. I'm really begginning to wonder what will happen to me and I know Im not the only one. PS I dont like to speak on behalf of my friends but I feel their suffering too and I know how bad and hopless they are feeling too. It's like a nightmare

Tracy,

I'm very sorry to hear what you're going through.

I can only believe that whatever is at the root of your health issues is something you must still be getting exposed to. Do you have purified air in your house or do you often leave the windows open?

Just hoping we'll stumble upon something.

Tracy,

Do you still have amalgams?
What are you taking now?
What are your worst symptoms?

had all amalgams removed cant take any vitamins as they make me worse can take algin and have just started taking steroids last two days. slept about 3 bours in last 5 days cant sleep even during day. Been very depressed last two days and feelings of hopelessness. Had 2 good days Friday and Saturday then just went downhill again. Very tired, head and face pain with tingling, tearful and no motivation. Not coping well at all.

sorry that s me Tracy having problems logging in

You may have problems with other heavy metals. Have you had a hair test? Andy cutlers book interpretting hair tests is very good and can help with a lot of useful info. Plus how much Algin are you taking? You might not be taking enough.

Also are you getting any other professional detox support/advice. The internet can be very supportive and useful but some face to face contact with someone who has skill and experience in detox might be worth exploring.

Tracy, are you sure that you're not doing something that might potentially counterac the healing process? For instance, steroids ARE NOT good for you. yes, if you do have adrenal fatigue you must do something, but taking steroids in the long run just weaknes your immunity - which you know has already suffered. it's better to take sthg alternative like licorice root, or ginseng to strengthen your adrenals.

Also, do you stick to diet? Anti-candida is essential for detox, but you also have to know all the twists and turns that go along with it. EG, if you are going through days of worsening symptoms, but you've changed nothing in your regime that could bring it on, you'd have to assume that your body is just going through detox, purging all the toxins and metals out of you. So what you need to do is assist the body in it - take/increase the right supplements , take liver herbs , help the body eliminate waste - for instance enemas, greater water intake, sweating, baths etc. I find coffee enemas especially helpfull.

All of those things will help you manage the toxicity symptoms.

When I took steroids I ended up in a terrible state.

Richard is absolutely right....candida definitely has to be addressed for a successful mercury detox. Check out wholeapproach.com, they have a great diet plan, and food lists and recipes that will help you do a candida detox that is absolutely necessary to recover from this affliction. They are even starting to talk about mercury toxicity last time I was there.

If I eat badly for any length of time, I start to relapse too, so I know that the candida is coming back and that methylates more mercury as do the foods that feed it.

Best luck and feel better soon.

Chelation is the only thing that has helped me really.

Fish oil and magnesium have been the two most helpful supplements by far.

Tracy,

Hi there,

I have read quite a lot of your posts and although I dont post much on the forums I would like to add something here.

I, like yourself was a happy bubbly normal person just 1 year ago, however, I now have allsorts of ailments.

At the beginning of this year I was placed in a Phiciatric (Spelling?) Clinic for 3 weeks and my family and so called friends ridicule me all the time because I waffle on about mercury, candida and mold, oh and also how th medical proffesion has let us all down.

I first found out about Candida when I went to a health shop to have a VEGA test because I had run out of places to turn to as I no longer wanted to be treated like a total nut case. You can imagine my utter releif when this guy sat there and told me " I know what is causing all your problms" he then turned to me and said " you have Candida Albicans" He put me on the diet, which looked absolutly ridiculous and sent me packing with a very expensive load of pills and concocsions.

Of course I came home elated and couldn't wait to share my news and you could see my "friends" and family smirking as I told them all and some would point out how much money I had spent with this guy.

Anyway, I of course started to research on the internet and at the same time started to do the diet ( which I stuck to absolutly religiously for 4 months) and took all my pills as directed. Within 3 weeks I couldn't believe I was feeling so much better, symptoms I never really realised I had dissapeard, these are things I had for years, (Stiff Neck, Puffy eyes, stuff like that) My serious symptoms got a little better too ( Digestion, eye pain, eye vision, Stuff like that).

Anyway, to get to the point of all this, as soon as I stopped following the diet so strict, my symptoms return and even worse, Oh By the way, my anxiety had got loads better.

I went back to my guy at the health shop and I asked him what he thought may have cause this, he said he had tested me for mercury and this was negative. He asked me if my house was moldy, I was gobsmaked at this question because we had just moved to a very moldy house with the intention of knockimng it down.

Anyway after he asked me these two questiioons of course I looked up Mercury and Mold on the internet. Hense how I am here.

Just before I got sick I has quite a lot of dental treatment done, fillings and root canal and stuff, so I was adamant my problems were related to that.

However I then looked up mold!!!! I never knew how dangrous mold is. I have been living in this house full ogf mold for a year and mold is deadly.

My 21 year old daughter has also had mental problems since we lived here and my 11 year old is having tummy problems.

So, I am now debating about what is causing my candida( as something always does)

I have decided to have all my Fillings removed anyway, no maytter what, simply because I dont want that crap in my mouth any more, but I am also thinking the mold has caused more harm than the fillings.

So, my point im making to you is could there be another factor in your life that could be causing this? what are your living conditions like? has anything changed just before you got sick, research it all, because YES I do believe mercury is the biggest problem of the 21st century and I am definatly gonna do something about it but some things have very similar symptoms. Perhaps keep a diary of where you go, what you do, and when your symptoms are worse.

I know the mold I have is affecting me and my family, so look at everything.

On another note what dentist did you use? I am thinking of using hesham el-essawy in harley street.

Best regards
Sue

hi sue
thats a very good point about mold it is very dangerous i use to live in a flat with my mum and dad it was full of mold and aspestos so very damp the whole time i lived there i had chest pains cold all the time and fatigue i passed out once and was taken to hospital had bloods taken they found nothin im on candida diet recently i ate some bread big mistake my fatigue is so much worse now im never cheating on the diet again cause its just not worth it

Clare,

I keep cheating latley lol and every time I say Im never doing that again.

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Hi. I agree that living conditions can worsen the symptoms. Tracy - I lived in a moldy house and that is when my symptoms got worse too - that is when I developed intolerance to all vitamins like you. But I also was measured to have high mercury then and candida. I think when our bodies are toxic we cannot be in a place with mold or an overabundance of chemicals. I moved and got better than I had been. If you don't have mold, there are a lot of things you can do in your environment to help you to clean it up. The less that aggravates the symptoms, the better.

Tracy, I also had a magnesium infusion last week and feel a reduction in symptoms. The reason I had an infusion is because I cannot tolerate anything daily without getting worse, like you. So now, twice per week, I will be getting an infusion over the next six weeks to see if it continues to get better. Maybe this would help you as well.

Sorry you feel so awful. I understand how scary it is.

i know mold effects me when im unwell but ive lived in a total of 22 house some wth a mold problem some without i have an open mind about the whole thing now cos what i cant work out is i got a similar illlness 22 years ago i had had no dental treatment but again it started off like a viral infection and then i got all the dame symptoms as now only to a much lesser degree i had no treatment of any kind and got better over a period of about 6 years then i was totally healthy i didnt follow a diet i did nothing i believe we are a very sensitive family as my sister is so affected by mold she ended up on life support for 3 days after eating raw mushrooms my belief is that all of us have a DNA that makes us suceptible to toxins allergens ect and something overloads the barrel this time when i became ill i had had 4 root canal fillings 2 days before previous to this i was 99% healthy i believe this was the thing that tipped the barrel this time i dont believe there is one thing to aim at to get well but i know some people believe in de-senstizing the body to a point where it can tolerate and begin to heal thats just my belief i would not be able to get infusions as nobody in the medical field will help me

When we moved to this house 3 years ago, there was mold around the bathtub and the wall. We cleaned it off the best we could and put a rubber thing that goes in the crack, on the bathtub. I had been suspicioning that there was mold growing for awhile, and then one day the glue popped off of that rubber seal and exposed a big, gross mess of mold. I finally got down on my knees for 2 days last week and scraped every single piece of mold off of the tub and dug all the caulking out. It is moldy behind the tub insert too, because the idiots that did this bathroom, did not do it right. I did the best I could to clean it up and sprayed a bleach spray on the places that I could reach on the wall, and then sealed it all back up very good. We can't afford to re-do the whole bathroom right now, but I did the best that I could to seal it off. I think our allergies have been improved, but I couldn't stand the fact of knowing all of that gross mold was behind there.

What a good point.
I worked in a shop and in the store room there was a funny noise coming from the ceiling, like squeeking, anyway this was going on for ages and the place really was damp and moldy and i was beginning to feel really weird, i had all sorts of symptoms, chest pains, fatigue, palpitations, etc.
One day i was so ill, i told my boss i couldnt go in and i was off sick for 6mths.
I went in the shop a few months later to get my wages and i went to the store room and there was a big hole in the ceiling, my boss said that a piece of mould came fthrough the ceiling and it was about 3 foot square, how gross!
No wonder i was ill.
Last year i got ill when i opened our car that had been off the road for months and there was mould and mushrooms growing on the carpet where it was damp, from that moment i was so ill.

Tracy,

At one point I had phone consultations with a naturopathic dr. named Dr. Gloria Gilbere. I read her books and she also had been intolerant to vitamins and everything else, and got better. She consults with people all over the world over the phone, and helps people to naturally clean up their gut and detox. Maybe since you don't have any drs. willing to work with you, you could try consulting with her over the phone. I know she also treats mercury toxicity (I think with natural chelators) but works with detoxing and rebuilding your body in other ways first (and she has helped some people who cannot tolerate supplements to start using them). She used to work in a dental office years ago, and I think suffered from the effects of mercury as part of her health problems. Look her up on the web - at the very least you will have someone on your side who listens to you and believes you, and has some other ideas for you to try. And maybe she can help you since there is no one in your area who will.

Thanks Andrea

Tracy, That sounds great! Let us know how you get on.
Best of luck.

I'm a little late in my comments but I have experienced issues with mold as well. It truly is very bad for your health.

There is a homeopathic that you could try as I've found homeopathics to be quite amazing if you use the right one and stay on it for a short while.

Allergies - Mold-Yeast-Dust

I completely eliminated my severe allergy to cats completely in 1 week using a homeopathic. My allergy is now gone completely and there is no need for the homeopathic anymore.

Russ,

Sorry, I am the anon from above in the moldy house.

I have tried something that looks like that. I am in the UK and had it imported from the states.. Lol cost me loads of money, but I must say its good stuff and well worth it.

Sue

Glad to hear it helped.

Did your symptoms subside? How effective was it?

Russ,

Its hard to say, I started the Candida Diet and had improvement, I also moved a tumble dryer which was in a moldy room again I think this made some improvement, then I got the stuff and again felt some relief.

Trouble is when you try all this stuff its hard to say what is working and what isn't.

I do feel on top of the mold issues I have a mercury problem too so I think I need to sort that next, I'm a little frightened though because ive never really been a good dentist patient.

My symptoms change all the time, they come and they go, definatly at the weekends when I spend time at the house a lot Monday mornings I feel terrible.

Also, if i lose myself with my diet again I will feel like crap.

So, having said all that I did feel relief from using it and I do continue to use it, but its hard to say how much.

Sue

Dear Tracy

I have lots of experience with trying to mercury detox. I've done all the vitamins, minerals, special candida, gluten, milk free you name it diets, I have visited so many alternative medicine gurus. BUT, there is only one thing which can help anyone with serious mercury poisoning and that is CHELATION, CHELATION, AND MORE CHELATION. No amount of vitamins will bind to the mercury, no diet will do it either. Those who get better from just removing their amalgams are incredibly lucky and don't have deep stored mercury levels which takes at least 40 years to detox if left without chelation.

There are only two things which can help remove mercury from the nervous system where all hell comes from, and they are Alpha Lipoic Acid and the herb cilantro or coriander. DMSA is the only binder able to bind with the mercury which ALA and cilantro mobilize from the brain. Until you try your hardest to use this protocol, your mercury will remain stored in your brain and cause you all of your dreadful mental and physical symptoms.

Remember it is in the fat cells of the brain anyone with serious poisoning such as yourself, mercury is stored deeply. This is affecting all the signals sent out to your hormonal systems: thyroid, adrenals and so forth.

You need to get real with the programme, because nothing else will work.

If you become ill while taking DMSA or ALA you need to lower doses to the tiniest amounts and perhaps take long brakes. You might haveto stick to a candida diet as they could aggrevate this condition. If you can't hadle ALA at all, you might haveto lower your body levels first with using only DMSA. Perhaps you can handle small amounts of the herb cilantro. BUT anyone of these can pull you in the right direction, NOTHING ELSE touches the mercury. Vitamin C, E and other minerals/antioxidants only stir things up, it doesn't come out of your body.

Chelation can seem very daunting, but there aren't any other options...........

thankyou for that reply i know chelation is the only way to go i was hoping to hold out befor trying again until id seen the dentist to see if i have cavitation issues and the Neurologist who deals with toxic poisoning for advice. This is only next Thursday so its not that far away. Its just unfortunate that my symptoms have got worse. I can cope with some of them but i have a big adrenalin issue as it seems to be pumping through my body 24/7 if i didnt have this and the weird dreams - thoughts i could cope much better but like you say i suppose the only way they will stop is chelation. Thanks Tracy

There is a conflict of opinion here, and I don't know what to believe. Some people get better simply from having their amalgams removed - they have a 'dramatic improvement' almost overnight - GRRRR. Their body seems to detox the mercury by itself, and I know from my own experience that this is true. I have experienced mercury on the move post amalgam removal without doing anything. There is a view that you don't have to do anything much apart from support the parts the mercury has trashed (thyroid, adrenals), follow a strict candida diet, and let the body do what it has to do, and detox will take place over time. Andy Cutler hinted at this with his diagram in Amalgam Illness, where a non-chelating person ends up after one year with only slightly higher mercury levels than a chelating person. Andy also says that the DMSA is taken to REDUCE SIDE EFFECTS OF THE BODY DETOXING ITSELF (can't remember which page), the implication being that it will happen by itself anyway, DMSA just speeds it up slightly and makes it a bit more bearable.

Then there is the view that the mercury will only come out with chelation, which means DMSA every 4 hours, feeling lousy on round and trashed sleep (which I personally can't handle).

So, I'm confused. At present I can't get my head around chelation. My sleep has been trashed for 2 years now, and a few weeks ago I finally caved in and got sleeping tablets, which give me a 6 hour stretch. This is so precious and necessary to functioning the next day with 3 kids. I am seeing my dentist on Monday, and if he will prescribe me oral DMPS, which just needs to be taken every 8 hours, I may give this a go.

Anyone got any views?

Nicola

Nicola you sound just like me I am totally confused too the only thing I can figure our is that everyone is effected differently and seems people react to different things in different ways, everyone gives good advice but is based on their individual genetics I get very confused about what to do I know I have to do something because I am very ill now but i get scare to try anything cos Im only just hanging on now I really am going through hell at the moment. Seeing the Neurologist next week is what Im hanging on for and if she was a normal run of the mill NHS Neurologist I wouldnt hold out much hope its only cos shes worked with toxic people before that I hope she can help me cos I cant seem to be able to do this by myself

Tracy,

This can all get very confusing, I do agree there. People all do give good advise, but your right when you say based on their individual genetics. Sometimes when I come online and log on to differnt sites I go away very frightened and of course stress and anxiety can indeed make symptoms worse.

Try to hang on untill you see the Neurologist next week that sounds like a good positive step to me. I am interested to know what she is like as I too am in the UK.

I really feel for you Tracy, I dont think I am no where near as ill as you but I'm still very frightened of my symptoms.

Best wishes to you
Sue

Yes, the body does detox mercury easily by itself. The body tissue levels reduces quickly when there is no new daily exposure from amalgams which now have been removed.

The nervous system area is a totally different story however, and this is where the problem is for those of us who were/are severely poisoned. Those who get better from simply removing amalgams think they have had it bad, but they aren't close to the hell those who have poor blood-brain-barriers and who therefore have mercury in the nervous tissue/cells. DMSA does help to bind with body detoxing, but will not help with the brain area because it isn't able to pass through there. Again, only ALA and cilantro have the capability to touch the mercury stored here.

I urge you to brace yourself and do some serious searching about mercury stored in the nervous system. It doesn't come out, maybe when we are 70 years old if we live in hope that it will detox naturally. There is no simple way of getting well. Mercury poisoning to the point where one suffers mentally in additon to physically is serious business and needs serious chelation..........

Mercury in the brain is responsible for the faulty signalling, when it is cleared, it is amazing to feel how both the physical and mental problems are cleared too.

I need to be so blunt, because I recognize myself so much in all the posts here where one frantickly tries everything else, BUT CHELATION. It just doesn't work that way.......

People/those of you who are at the breaking down point, you need to educate yourselves specifically about mercury stored in the NERVOUS SYSTEM. It will not come out naturally, by taking vitamin E, algin, chlorella, by doing a candida diet or by hoping the problem will just simply go away. You've gotto get in control, take action and work yourself around a proper chelation programme.......

Hi anonymous.

I think the point here is for people not to long at one side of things. Don't rely on the candida diet, but also do not rely souly on chelation. I believe all have to be integrated into a toxic person's life in order to achieve results. IF that doesn't work, then there is obviously a chronic infection or something else that is disabling the immune system from responding properly or going forwards.

I have been poisoned for 20 years. I know a lot about what mercury can do, have read about it for years on end and spent my life in ill health. Have chelated for years and was healing and finally seeing the light. (had amalgams removed 10years ago now) I was using pretty strong drug chelation, as well as previously "natural" chelations. Anything at all to get mercury out and after years of hell from detox symptoms, was healing and becoming a healthier happier person.

Since, I developed infections, viral and gum/jaw infections, I have plummeted and no longer respond to chealtion or anything else. It has basically destroyed my health. And I cannot get help for these things, have tried over and over. Still trying to find someone to do something for me. To this day I have a permanent viral illness, this has caused me to become more suspeptible to any toxin still in me.

I wouldn't assume that people are not chelating, many are, but because they are having problems and finding something more is wrong, this is why many of us are trying out the candida diet, at least as a way of controlling "some" symptoms or at least aiding the body along the way.

I don't rely on the diet as a way of curing myself, but if chelation is not helping anymore, then something else is badly wrong! And the diet at least is a way to "aid" the body regardless of what a person has. mercury is released to "some" degree by the body naturally if aided, but yes, the rest if tightly bound and needs chelation to get it out, I agree with that totally.

I am so sick, any chelating I do now is risky for me. I easily damage myself long term from one mistake. I am not what I was. It is easier for other people who only have mercury as their soul problem and though they're ill, and get sick via chelating, they do not have other problems that is preventing them from results, as some of us do, which is why we need to look at more than chelation. Candida by the way on its own is enough to cause suicide in some people, it is a very real and big problem and though mercury may be the reasona person has it, they MUST address candida in order to control some symptoms, whilst they chelate.

Bex,

How did you find out you had gum/jawbone infections? I think I have candida or possibly other types of infections in my jaw area - and this is why I have chronic temperomandibular disorder, sensitivity reactions in the jaw area, and pain in the face.

Thanks.

Andrea

Hi Andrea, it is very difficult to diagnose any pathology going on in the gum/jaw area of the mouth, as they are often a silent and near invisible condition. A person may show next to nothing on xrays etc, yet have a bad problem, whilst someone else who is ok may show an obvious sign of cavitation yet be ok.

Sometimes it is about yourown symptoms and you begin to realise over time something is not right and not allowing you to progress or detox properly or heal.

You 'can" get a panoramic xray from a dentist to check on cavitations, but they are notoriously inaccurate and easy to miss.

My diagnosis came from having both a panoramic xray, a bone scan called the cavitat scan, plus the comments from a doctor using his EAV machine and telling me I had gangrene in my mouth (dead pulp). But all these things were rather contradictory and I had to sum it up and think obviously yes there is a problem, I don't know where exactly, they did show up yes, but they are hard to find and some might be hardly visible, yet have a bad problem.

Gum disease was discovered by a biologic dentist using a test to look at the bacteria from the gums. He discovered periodontal gum disease.

All these things are enough to severely burden the immune system, on their own or combined and as the immunity is under constant strain from this, it does not deal with other issues (ie mercury/candida etc). So the poor person has to find ways of attempting to control symptoms, which takes sometiems marathon efforts.

Candida diet is an essential start. It's not an option for me. It is the first thing a person should ever do and continue to keep up permanently with any immune challenge. Then once that has been integrated and done for long enough to allow for some improvement, you can move forwards to do more than that. Sometimes using a gum treatment to help control infection can help take some strain off the immune system as well. It is about trying to control the bacteria levels in the body, so the immune system can breathe a bit easier.

Mercury is involved too, but not much can be done to chelate this when the body is under too much strain to address the mercury or even detox it. You can try chelating though, but I wouldn't dare do any chelation unless I was on the strict candida diet first, as you can make yourself worse from the mercury and other toxins simply going straight into the gut or other areas, as you're too overloaded with candida and toxins to eliminate or cope.

Other than this or as well as this, some people opt to go to a biologic dentist, or oral surgeon or periodontist to have their cavitationis surgically cleaned out and hope that might improve symptoms. Even if it's not overly evident, you can try asking to have them open it up and do it regardless, just in case there is anything under there that may be missed.

I'm not having any luck there, as most in my country don't do it and I'm too ill to enter a dental office (due to mercury vapor), so I'm stuck as I am.

I have not many options other than the diet, gum treatment, and possibly at some point using a natural antifungal/antibacterial agent to try and attack some of the infections going on (ie. grapefruit seed extract). Though diet should be the first thing and followed for a long enough time before bringing onboard any antifungal agent, as it can kill too much yeast at onetime, spilling toxins into the blood stream and overloading a person's gut and liver, making them even worse. Diet at least, reduces things gradually and more naturally first.

Bex,

I really feel for you with your situation. Thank you for the information. I wonder if infection is a part of my problem. I know that candida infection can be related to TMD problems, and I do follow the diet and it helps. But I wonder if something else is going on in there too. I guess I will be talking to my dentist about this as well.

You are always so supportive of everyone on this forum. I wish you felt better - you are such a good person and deserve it.

Hi Andrea, thanks so much for your kind words. I agree, I know many issues are going on at once and the diet does help, but you get the feeling it's only remotely controlling things and that's how it is for me.

I have many of the same issues as you, some TMJ also, narrow face/chin etc. But I never had these health issues before as much as I had since these infections came upon me.

You all deserve to get well also. I get a lot of help on here and support. I wonder where I'd be without it to be honest.

thanks again Andrea and here's hoping answers will turn up.

Your problem are the steroids. For some reason I can't take steroids either. Stop taking the steroids for about a week and see do you improve.

I took licorice root to stimulate my adrenals and it caused me to have periods evert two weeks so Tracy should'nt use it since she already has that problem .

Hi people, I use to post here under the name "joey_joe_joe_jr", my last post was probably 4 months ago. Since then my life has taken a change for the better, much better. On some of my previous posts I talked about the Marshall Protocol as some on this forum have also suggested. Well I have been on this medical protocol for about 3 months now and I can now definately safely say that this is what is going to bring me back to full health, and most likely beyond and previous comprehension of "good health"

You see, I use to rely on supplements and chelating so much for the answer (since then I have trown out all my supps), and in some ways they did make me feel a lot better, but my condition was still ever changing and gradually going down hill, and my mind was becoming increasingly unstable, just like most on this forum. I use to believe in these alternative health issues such as "heavy metal toxicity" and "candida" and that they were what were making me sick, but it turns out it is not as simple as that.

All of our problems and chronic symptoms are actually due to cell-wall deficient bacteria (bacteria so small and stealthy that they cannot be detected or killed by simple rounds of antibiotics). These bacteria survive and thrive in a body due to weaked immune systems and an imbalance in vitamin D hormones. Sounds a bit complicated huh? Well it is, and is a very comprehensive and scientifically proven explanation of why we are ill.

The treatment is hard but life changing, involving taking various antibiotics with Benicar (Ace Inhibitor) and avoiding all sources of ingested vitamin D and vitamin D from sunlight. (this treatment is definately not another sales pitch, how could it be when it uses conventional medicines?)

So go to www.marshallprotocol.com to find out more, its a forum just like this and has many many success stories of people regaining full health from various disorders and symptoms like those suffered here.

Myself, I can say I am well on the way.

Cheers

Sweet! So good to hear, Joey. I honestly don't think that is what is wrong with everyone at this forum but it could be for some. I really don't know anything about that so I can't say much but results speak louder than anything. Again, so great to hear you are doing better.

-Colin

thanks Colin, yea you're probably right about it not being everyones problem, and I know that a lot of people here experience drastic improvements from chelation/diet alone, but I guess I'm more trying to help people who have tried the Supplements, candida diets, chelation etc and are not getting any results. They should definately be giving the marshall protocol a go..

Cheers

I'm glad you are feeling better, I've seen a lot of your past posts. If this treatment works for you then that's great. I would just sound a note of caution about avoiding vitamin D. It is essential for human health; why else would the body have evolved to manufacture thousands of iu's in the sunlight? We are meant to live in the light. A number of degenerative diseases are being linked to decreased sunlight exposure (and resultant vitamin D deficiencies) due to the modern Western lifestyle, which can mean going from building to building and rarey seeing the sun. I would be cautious about pursuing any therapy that advocated avoiding an essential vitamin like this, though other aspect of the strategy might be healthy and worthy of pursuing.

Linda.

Hi, I second Linda's post about the necessity of Vitamin D. This is why rickets occured due to vitamin D deficiency and consequent bone deformation. It is simply unreasonable that a "health regime" would require a person to avoid vitamin D at all costs when it is essential!!

I cannot quite understand that. But I cannot argue with results and obviously if its working for people, that is something. But if they are onto something with what they are doing, surely there is another way around doing it without having to completely avoid vitamin D.
Something doesn't feel quite right about that side of it.

In fact, I had a very bad vitamin D defiency and still believe I do and have just started taking halibut oil for the vitamin A and D that is naturally occuring. It is really confusing whenever you take something and then someone else comes along with a reason NOT to take it. There are many contradictions out there.

Thanks though Joey for sharing this, and am really glad to hear something is helping you much more! because obviously there is something in it for sure. Some way they have worked out how to wipe out this bacteria and obviously denying vitamin D is a crucial part of it and how the antibiotics are then able to be effective aginst this bacteria. perhaps the vitamin D is an antagonist.

I still find it a little unusual, but am open at the sametime.

Thanks Veggie Juicer. The whole reason why I recommend this protocol is because I know that it has helped a lot of people, including myself, and I am absolutely positive that it is safe. I assure you, the avoidance of vitamin D as part of the protocol is completely safe. If you don't believe me, ask some of the docters and medical experts at the marshall protocol website, they will gladly answer your questions. Extensive research and clinical trials have gone into this protocol its not just some hearsay. They have proven that the vitamin D hormones 25D and 1,25D are directly responsible to the supression of the immune system and the unbalancing of just about all other hormone systems in the body. Healthy people however do not have these problems with the vitamin D hormones and can go out in the sun and eat D food as much as they want with no effect, but us other people with chronic illness have do levels that are running wild in our body, fueling the fire.

I know because I too went through the phase that "okay if I take this vitamin or mineral than it will cure this symptom or that symptom" But for me it wasn't that simple,at first it seemed so, but it wasn't. If you're getting on great using supplements, chelation and eating a good diet then great, but if you've tried these alternatives and are still not able to get well then you should look into the Marshall Protocol.

Also I am under the watchful eye of a MD doctor. Reporting back to him every few weeks, and having him guide me through the protocol is great, as well as the support from all the people on the forum. Takes away all the false hope and uncertainty I experienced when using other alternative treatments like chelation, candida diets, and supplements.

PS - part of the protocol is to avoid sugars as much as possible because it does feed the bacteria and compromise the immune system, sound familiar?

I am truly glad that you are feeling better, please don't get me wrong. Just watch how you go, OK? The body keeps vitamin D stored up, and once those stores are depleted, you could be at risk for a great many problems. Also there are no studies on the long-term effects of the antibiotic you are taking. If you do start getting symptoms, make sure you tell your doctor. Listen to your body and go with what it is saying. I've got seasonal affective disorder mixed with my depression and it makes winters into a nightmare, I'd hate to see it happen to you too.

Best wishes,
Linda.

yes 25D is the D that stores in the tissues. 1,25D is the active hormone that you get directly from the sun, but too much 25D converts to 1,25D, which causes symptoms in it self. The whole aim of the treatment is to lower your 25D levels through diet restriction which in turn allows your immune system to work better to kill the bacteria with aid of the antibiotics.

I'm obviously at a loss of explaining it to you as it is complicated and most on this forum obviously will question its credibility and safety, go to the website and ask some questions if you want to know more. I may add that not one person on this protocol has reported rickettsia or other vitamin D defiency symptoms and tens of thousands are either on it or have achieved successful remission from it. The safety of it is all in the studies.

By the way many people who suffered from SAD have achieved remission on the protocol, and my depression has retreated so much in the last 3 months.

All I ask is have a little browse through the studies, information and success stories on the website (all posted by real memeber like on this forum) before coming to any conclusions.

Cheers

I've had a look there, and also a look on the web to see what other people are saying about the MP. It sounds to me like a lot of people feel it is helpful, and if it works then that's the bottom line isn't it. I wouldn't try to talk you out of it, or even claim that I understand 100% the science behind it. I would just say be careful, watch how you go, as this treatment is fairly new and controversial, it doesn't have much of a track record yet.

Take care,
Linda.

Hi Joey, looks like we started the Marshall protocol about the same time. Good to hear that you are doing well too.

I wanted to address the Vitamin D concerns. Your body requires the active metabolite of Vit. D namely 1,25-(OH)2D. It is easy to maintain levels of active vitamin D, from even small amounts in the diet or minimal sun exposure.

Study 1
Study 2

(People on the MP have high active D levels, despite avoiding sunlight and all foods with vitamin D)

Research is coming out that rickets can be cured without Vitamin D. Rickets is showing to be an autoimmune disease, and vitamin D only helps the symptoms (being a seco-steroid it suppress the immune system).

Rickets

For concerns about bone density, vitamin D does strengthen bones at very high levels, but it is a drug like effect. Most people on the MP, have bone density improve with overall health, even though avoiding vitamin D for years.

Bone density (info across 5 pages, sorry)

I don't want to get the thread off topic, my only point is, the information is out there .... but it is complicated .... it takes many months to read and understand. But if you do, and if you decide for yourself that Dr. Marshall really understands this, it means that 90% of conventional and alternative medicine is just a treadmill to help you "feel better". I sympathize with the opening poster - I always wondered why some people can abuse their health for 20-30 years and remain healthier than me, who needs to follow an exact diet / chiropractic / exercise / supplement regime - just to feel halfway healthy.

Sorry - the above post is me.

I wanted to add .... that many diseases are linked to low vitamin D, because the bacteria cause an over zealous conversion of vitamin D to the active form 1,25-(OH)2D. Low regular D indicates a problem. Dr. Marshall encourages to have both levels tested to tell the real story.

hey promagma, great to see you're doing well also! Thanks for the more detailed explanation also, much better than my attempt.. lol. Hopefully reports such as ours can convince more people who are struggling on this forum to look into the MP, and maybe give it a go!

Cheers

Im glad the marshal protocol has helped you mate. I was thinking you must of improved as most people dont post as much on here when they improve etc..

You know whats funny. My Hair test from trace minerals told me to AVOID vitamin D. They also sent me a special email saying please stop and multivitamin or cod liver oil as the vitamin D has an affect on your cerebral function etc.

The only thing is I find the sun great form y depression i feel slightly better outside in the sun (when we have sun).

Hey Joe, good to hear from you again mate. Yea I used to take a lot of D as well and found it made me feel slightly better, then followed by feeling ten times worse in pretty much every way. Messed with my immune system and made me feel so "flat" it wasn't funny.

As with the going out in the sun making you feel better thats pretty much the same with me. After a holiday or even one day at teh beach I would feel positive, energetic and my skin and appearance would be ten times better. After doing some research into the Marshall Protocol though I found out the reason for this though. When you go out in the sun for a long period it spikes your levels of the vitamin D hormone 1,25D, which in turn supresses your immune system activity for a time which therefore means that your symptoms will go away temperarily making you feel and look better short term. Thats why I useta love going out in the sun, but when staying in side after I'd feel like crap.

Thats part of the research behind the MP take it or leave it, anyway, hope to hear from you again soon!

Cheers

How long did you chelate? What did you use?

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"Very tired, head and face pain with tingling"

Are you sure you don't have some form of anemia? Are you taking iron, folic acid, and B12 supplements? Are you taking Molybdenum? are you taking magnesium supplements? Try taking a very high potency subligual(dissolves under tongue) vitamin B12 supplement.