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I don't want to live with anyone anymore...I just like to be alone in my apartment....does anyone else feel like that? I like to go out and socialize with others but I like to be left alone in my private space.

I have always loved having company and entertaining and I want to be that way again.

Is anyone else like this?

Sandi

Yes, this is normal behaviour for a mercury toxic person. Withdrawal or the tendency to want to be left alone. I am worse than that, I don't even want to socialise, and I stay mainly in my bedroom.

I have had this tendency since age 15 when I first started to become ill and it's always been there. Only very occassionally if/when I get a lifting of symptoms, does my old personality come through and I suddenly want to be around others. This is rare, but it shows me that this hermit behaivour isn't really "me".

Yes, this was what I was going through before removing my fillings, having a tooth removed, and starting chelation. It was hard on my family, because I had always been so outgoing, but because of that, they knew something serious must be going on. I said, "No more conventional doctors. They will just give me hormones, which will give me cancer." I was so exhausted all of the time. I went from being out everyday, working, caring for the house, and being very social to being a hermit.

We knew it must be the mercury (thought some in my extended family find it very hard to believe), as I began going out as soon as I started chelation. I'm not yet back to normal. I still have panic attacks. Hopefully, though, I'm on the mend.

There have been so many positives, since having my amalgams removed, that I do not regret the decision at all. The brain fog is next to nothing. I have clear thoughts. And, it's so nice to look in my mouth and see something that resembles teeth instead of amalgam.

I know that I still have a long road ahead of me. At least, I now can see light at the end of the tunnel.

Yes I always liked to go out and meet other people despite my social anxiety and shyness. Now after the removal my shyness is gone, but I feel so anxious, agitated and weird all the time that I can't be around other people for a long time. It takes so much energy to hide my feelings (I would like to tell other people how I feel but unfortunately nobody will believe me and they will think that I am just mentally ill) and I feel so bad that I can't enjoy the company of other people.

It is really strange my shyness has disappeared and I would like to go out and meet other people but I feel so sick that I prefer to stay at home <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Sometimes I am really shocked when I realise that most of my shyness and social anxiety is gone everything feels so different it is a good thing but I had this for so many years and still feel so bad that I can't enjoy it.

Mercury affects oxytocin, a hormone which allows us to trust and bond with others. Add that to the list of hermit-inducing traits that mercury does to people.

Mercury definitely hinders social bonding. Who wants to keep hanging out with someone who is depressed, doesn't trust, and thinks his tooth fillings are making him crazy lol...

It's easy to give up on trying to maintain relationships when mercury has beat you down. The only reason I haven't given it all up to be a hermit is because of lonliness.

oy yea, add memory and brain fog to the list...

-hermit the fog

Nice post Hermit the fog.
I am so thankful my hubby and kids love and support me because like you said everyone else thinks I've gone mad thinking my fillings poisoned me.
I love to be with my kids and spend time with my dh and really could care less to get out and socialize.
I feel safe inside my home. When I leave my home I can't think straight, talk right or act the way a "normal " person is suppose to act.
Lord willing I can learn how to be "social" when the mercury is not controlling my life.

Blessings to all

Yes, on top of what mercury does directly, the stuff it allows indirectly is almost as bad, or as bad. It allows toxins to enter the brain, as it damaged the blood brain barrier. So things that normally might not get in, will. On top of this, it allows candida to overgrow inside the body, often becoming systemic. Candida just on it's own can cause a myriad of symptoms, amost identical to mercury, not to mention mental suffering and odd mental fears/paranoias and behaviours.

An example of it, is I become fearful if thephone rings or someone knocks at the door. i actually almost have a panic attack. now that is NOT normal and even I know that in my own state. I get scared when someone is coming to talk to me.

I was never that way once. I fight it, but it's impossible. To be able to get a handle on any of it, I have actually got to be in a better state of health. Candida diet helped some of this, but things have slipped back and the symptoms have rushed back with a vengeance.

Goes to show some, perhaps many of the poor sods in mental hospitals are probably very sane, but being made "insane" or mentally unstable by goodness knows what toxins or illness.

They all serve to disrupt normal processes in the brain and exaggerate any response or distort it.

Yes, this is me all over, if i do go out i cant wait to get back home.

I havnt had a social life for yrs and like it that way, if i go out of the house for 3 hrs it seems like 10 hrs. I just dont feel safe being away from home.
My sister in law asked if we wanted to go over there christmas day for dinner and then stay the night, i immediatly started panicking at the thought of it. I just made an excuse up about my cat being on her own.

Also, i find it hard having to cope with this illness and have my children and partner around me, i have no choice though, and i know i sound selfish. it tears me apart sometimes, the guilt destroys me.

Oh that is my worst nightmare...being committed to an insane asylum and as Cutler says in his book, we are not crazy, just poisoned. Can you imagine all those poor people being committed in the past because of mercury toxicity?

As long as I stick to a clean healthy diet, I am pretty good..but if I stray too far....the symptoms still get worse...diet is the key until we get the majority of the mercury out.

Back to the carrot sticks!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

I've said that exact same thing to my husband. I wonder how many people are sitting in an asylum right now, because everyone thinks they are crazy, but they are just mercury poisoned. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I miss going out and having friends. Even if I get well, I probably won't "do" as much as I used to do, because I am so used to just being with my husband and kids. That is just from growing up, and being a more responsible parent I guess, but I couldn't handle my friends anymore and the stress and chaos that comes with them. I couldn't keep up with them, either. They were always wanting to do something, and I just wasn't up to it. Yes, sometimes it even bothers me having my hubby and kids around AND it bothers me being away from them too....does that make sense?!?!?!?! I love my hours alone, or when everyone is asleep, but I also miss them too. I go crazy if I am gone or out shopping or something too long. I'm ashamed to say that I "hate" the general population and I hate crowds, traffic and people. I can deal with it for awhile, but when I'm done, I'm DONE. I will start having panic attacks and stuff.

I haven't become a hermit but I have limited my social activities due to shyness, anxiety, and just plain exhaustion. It is not a good way to live and I hope that I can get out of this.

Yes, sometimes it even bothers me having my hubby and kids around AND it bothers me being away from them too....does that make sense?!?!?!?! I love my hours alone, or when everyone is asleep, but I also miss them too. I go crazy if I am gone or out shopping or something too long. I'm ashamed to say that I "hate" the general population and I hate crowds, traffic and people. I can deal with it for awhile, but when I'm done, I'm DONE. I will start having panic attacks and stuff.

Yes this makes perfect sense I am the same way. The only thing is........ I am a Christian and this makes it so difficult to avoid people when I know I shouldn't. Part of me wants to crawl in a hole and the other part of me wants tell the whole world what God has done in my life. This is what makes being mercury toxic so difficult.

Veggiemom

It does help to talk about it, though. Mercury has taken so much from our lives. This is, yet, one more thing.

My family has been great about it. They have supported me, encouraging me to get the mercury taken out. I wasn't sure that I wanted to try something else that might not work. We had tried so much...spent so much money. And even after spending thousands of dollars, they are still there for me.

What makes me feel better, when I'm down, is to remind myself that I might not have gained the qualities of empathy and compassion if I hadn't gone through this. When I meet up with someone who makes fun of what I went through (becoming a hermit), or just doesn't understand, this reminder helps.

The people in this forum help a lot, too. Thank you for being there.

Yes, it's changed me a lot too. I don't judge as much when I see someone ill but has no obvious outward signs, I actually feel more sorry for them as I know how that feels and how people automaticlaly assume it's "put on".

My family are good (well my parents are), but the rest of them haven't been too quick to believe me as such and there is always that bit of tension, as though somehow I am exaggerating or I'm putting some of it on.

I guess I'd be the same if i hadn't had this, I might judge also. Easy to do I guess, but the suffering caused by illnesses such as these can hardly be described, they can be tremendous and outdo I think many other illnesses, from the torture of the mind, emotions, spirit and body all at once, all the while showing no external obvious signs, other than looking pale and drawn.

I find I get spurts every now and again to go out and socialize because sometimes it makes me feel more normal but like yesterday I felt i wanted to be out so i took Keith to work so that i could have the car. Then i drove to my daughters, which is about 20 miles away. We had a drink at her house and I played with my grandaughter for a while, then we went Tesco, after about ten minutes inthere I started to feel extremely weak and tired so I had to come home I then felt so physically ill I had to spend the rest of the day in bed. Didnt sleep a wink last night and am absolutely exhausted. It always seems with me if I make the effort to do something and even if Im happy and enjoying it I then have to be tortured by the physical part to such an extent I pay for days. So I get so despondent cos its like you get a glimpse of what life could be like and then realize your just not up to it. I get so uset when this happens because I feel Im letting people down. Its 12pm and Ive just managed some housework, my daughter is home at two so I have to force myself to get dressed and do things otherwise I feel so guilty. If only my body would start to heal but its getting weaker and I was so much fitter mentally and physically this time last year.

I spent most of my life socially withdrawn because of mercury. When the fillings came out, that began to change for the first time in my life.

The social aspects of mercury toxicity are profound.

Tracy, i understand that completely, i too get spurts of wanting to get out occasionally just to feel normal and then the symptoms can come right back and slap you in the face.
I just hold on to the times when i have had relatively normal days and hope one day every day will be like that.

Yes, I relate. I'm glad you mentioned it. I've always been somewhat shy, but I started not wanting to go out and socialize towards the end of high school and have been that way ever since.

I wish I could remember(memory probs!) when I had my amalgams places, but I can't ( to see if that coincided). I would have never attributed it to mercury. I'll have to see if it gets any better in the next few years as the mercury comes out of my body.

Yes, I cannot say enough about how my personality has changed since my mercury removal. It's like I'm alive for the first time in my life, really. I don't mean to sound dramatic. It's just been an amazing experience for me.

Of course, this experience made me realize that I've lost most of my life to mercury. Nevertheless, I'll make the best of it.

I hope that I can say the same thing someday, Russ. Mercury (or something) has taken most of my life from me and it's still taking it.

Even though I have a lot of faith in God I am still contemplating suicide because it seems like I have nothing left to live for.

Hang in there Aaron, there is a light at the end of the tunnel...I am 55 and feel better now than I have in my entire life. I just pulled my computer apart...got a new desk and put it all back together again. Wowee am I ever proud of myself...I never could have done this a year ago. I couldn't even hook up a set of speakers without a major catastrophe happening.

There is a light at the end of the tunnel, I am am only halfway there!!!

I will pray for you Aaron, I am sending thoughts and healing prayers your way.

Sandi
xoxo

How long did it take to feel alive? I feel awful after the removal

Thank you, Sandi.

I actually felt better right away, but I did stick to a pretty strict candida diet...no sugar, no gluten and no dairy.

I had my last filling out last spring and have gotten progressively better ever since. And haven't done any formal chelation, just a good diet and supplements. I still have some root canals and metal crowns to get out, so I can't do any real chelation until they are out.

Aaron,

I used to think about suicide every day of my life from sometime in my teen years (when my amalgams were installed) until 2000 when my amalgams were removed: That's 20 years of my life.

Now that I've recovered, I'm fighting this lie propagated by the corrupt governments and pharmaceutical companies with all the time I can find, and it feels good and is very rewarding, but I would not be doing this had I not suffered.

As a firm believer in God (Yahweh) coming from an originally very skeptical place and being a doubter in need of hard evidence (which I found), I have come to realize that part of my most valuable function in life is to tell the truth to others for their own benefit regardless of how it may feel (the truth sometimes hurts) in order to help them overcome the flood of lies propagated by the modern-day scribes, pharisees, and global merchants.

I am honored and ecstatic to be able to speak from a place of experience on this issue having suffered greatly from it so as to be believed by others that in their lives, this curse could also become a blessing.

Going through all this, I knew that I always had a choice, and it's just like a race: Quit, and all potential blessing for both ourselves and others is lost. Persist, and all potential blessings are realized with great joy.

I know it's much easier said than done, but to all who suffer, pretend it's tomorrow and see yourself realizing the blessings today. It's worth it.


[color:"brown"]"Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin."[/color]
—Hebrews 12:1-4


[color:"brown"]"And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."[/color]
—Revelation 12:15-17

(The "flood" probably symbolizing lies.)

I haven't lost my faith as a Christian, Russ. However, the saying comes to mind that the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.

If I get through this alive I want to help spread the truth like you do and help others that have been written off as hopeless cases like me.

Aaron/Others: I am experiecing many of the symptoms you have reported in this post and other threads and have to say that the scripture, "God has not given me a spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind," has SAVED me driving in traffic, visiting relatives, shopping, in a church service and before I go to bed every night. These postings also encourage me and if God can deliver me from a drug addiction 12 yrs ago, He WILL deliver me from this. "I can do all things through Christ Jesus who strengthens me." GL

Well said.

Aaron, You've already helped others through your work on this forum. Many have/will benefit from your posts here.

Sorry to keep dragging up the past posts but does Anyone still feel like this too?I am half-hermit,and go through phases of a small bit of socialising but mostly like to be alone,have been this way for years &years.

Hi, you're not really dragging up past posts, these things are always valid, so it's good when someone brings it back up so new people can see and comment or some of us "re-comment" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I am definitely a hermit. I barely ever leave the house and feel uncomfortable when I do. I always avoid people when I can, I seem afraid of them apart from those I know very well...

Like you, it's only the rare bit of getting out and mostly staying at home in my comfort zone. This again was something I only started doing when I got poisoned. IT seemed natural for me to suddenly hide away. It is part of the syndrome unfortunately. Social withdrawal. I've had moments of feeling healthier and suddeny I feel more normal and you actually want to go out and leave the house. That is how it should be.

When I had that, I couldn't understand how I could feel otherwise. So for sure, the withdrawal side was definitely not part of my natural nature, so I found out.

Hi all
I am the same way I would rather be here at my house it is safe and yes comforting. I get out when i have to but if I am having a bad day then it is really tough. I especially don't like the crowds loud and pushy and I hate places like the malls. I used to love to go but for now count me out. You are not alone!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/behindthecouch.gif" alt="" />

I read some of the posts that I made almost a year ago and I'm sorry to say that I'm still struggling. However, now I'm looking more at recovery from peptide poisoning than from mercury poisoning. The peptide poisoning (if the theory is correct) is from gluten and casein sensitivity.

I went on a gluten free/casein free diet in April and it seems to have thrown me into a withdrawal syndrome that is very painful (see http://www.corepsychblog.com/2007/08/celiac-notes-op.html for details). There is a minor inaccuracy in the CorePsych article (I was on a benzo, not opiates) but that's what I think I'm dealing with.

Hi Aaron, good to hear from you but hate to hear of this! Do you think mercury might still be playing a role in this? Could it have anything to do with your problems with gluten and casein? I know one cannot blame mercury for everything, but just wondering.

I wish you all the best on this diet and hope that you will come out the other side given enough time.

It's funny what you say about being a hermit. Not so long ago I was at a party - which by the way I didn't want to be at because I felt so inept. Anyway they were doing fun psychological tests. The first question was: 1. What is your favourite animal to which I replied a dog because it is loyal and friendly. 2. What is your second favourite animal to which I replied an otter because it is cute and wierd 3. What is your third favourite animal to which I replied a 'hermit crab' because it hides itself away from others. Anyway the outcome to this quiz is... 1. Your first favourite animal represents who you THINK you are.. and yes I guess I think I am loyal and friendly. 2. How others PERCEIVE you to be, and it appears that people think I am cute and wierd (quite likely!!!) 3. WELL this apparently is who you REALLY are.... a hermit crab who likes to hide itself from others. How true!!

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> i like that.

I like it too! You are not bad looking for a hermit crab, Rachie! Not as pretty as a Tumbleweed, but then again, who is? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I have to confess that I have become a hermit over the past 10 years. Some would probably say just a loser.

It's just easier to be alone with mercury poisoning. The reasons are many. But it will be interesting to see if those of us who heal out of it become way more social.

TW

Hi Rachie
I like that too. I feel just like a hermit crab sometimes too! LOL
Rachel <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/home.gif" alt="" />

I know an old post, but I'm new

I hope you're right. I've become so withdrawn over the last yr. I'm very much a social person and love to be out at work, witih friends, but since getting sick with Lyme, all I want to do is stay home.
Not sure if it's the mercury in my mouth or the lyme, but I hope my health improves when I get my fillings out.

Also I think a lot of everyones anxiety is learned behavior. I too have come to hate the general population, crowds, traffic etc, but I think once the depression lifts, all these things are fun again.

We can't blame it all on mercury and illness.

I think we can indeed blame unnatural anxiety and withdrawn feelings on mercury and illness if in fact we know that it came from that as a result.

Mercury is notorious for causing hermit like behaviour and other illnesses and toxicities can also interfere easily with the normal feelings/chemicals in the mind and cause a normally happy outgoing to withdraw and become depressed or anxious when they would not normally do so. It's happened to me and I"ve seen it happen to others.

When people are truly well, they naturally respond accordingly and going out and socialising become something one starts to naturally desire again. I've had momentary feelings of it . I just can't help wanting to leave the house. The world or people no longer seem "scary" or bother me, in fact I seek them out.

When I am ill, which is most of the time, I withdraw and feel nervous. even animals can respond the same way....

People in pretty normal to "ok" health, or don't suffer these types of sicknesses usually have none of these kinds of issues. Yet they are typical in those with toxicity.

Yep, I've been withdrawn for most of my life but I did experience a year of feeling like a 'normal' person and found that it was really easy to socialise, that I enjoyed it, and that I was no longer anxious. I was very happy and people enjoyed my company, however slowly slowly I've felt myself again becoming at first just irritable occasionally, to irritable all the time, depressed and just lately I've got to the ultra sensitive fly of the handle stage, where I screamed at someone at work and the sobbed at my desk for an hour afterwards. Normally I would have the laughed at the guy or shrugged it off. people are getting worried about my state of mind now lol. Well so am I! There is no reason for it that I can discern, it always comes on slowly like this and there is no outside cause. I think it is related to thyroid, adrenal problems which have been caused by mercury. I can't wait to heal and to find out what my 'real' personality is, because it's rare that we have been acquainted!

Same here. The sicker I get is reflected with my behaviours as well. I seem to withdraw almost naturally and the same when feeling better, I start to emerge again...

I dont think it's so much psychology related, as to generally being mucked up by these toxins. And like myself, when I'm more healthy I can laugh almost anything off....when I get more sick, I go into my shell and react badly to almost anything.

People are very much at the mercy of their health/hormones and muck that up in some way and some uncharacterisitic behaviours often result.

I don't know about you but if I'm better I can't be anxious even if I try...just doesn't happen. It is honestly like being a puppet on a string.

So like you, I would love to know what I was really like. I've had flashes of it and it feels good. But sadly they are few and far between. I relapse into the same chronic symptoms.

Went to the doctor today and she is concerned and is gonig to be testing my hormones (properly) she asked me something really interesting. She said "Do you get the urge to sit constantly and avoid standing?" and I looked at her quite astonished and said "YES, that has been happening for 4 years now and it's like a pulling heavy sensation in the abdominal region, all around that whole area feels weird and affects my whole body' and she nodded.

This happened after virus and then further dental work wisdom tooth removal. One doc reckons is jawbone infection related and connected to the gut area (gangrene).

But who knows? All tests tend to be a bit contradictory. This happened after I was getting well from mercury poisoning and I"m fully aware it's probably infection related and could be causing hormone problems too no doubt.

This is more annoying because it's not something you can just "detox" from. It's just there 24/7. So I'm having blood and urine testing soon and will share the results.

Yes Bex,
The difference between the sick and healthy personality is as different as night and day. I was hoping I'd never feel all this anxiety, anger and depression again but oh well, I'll get there in the end. At least we have had glimpses and we know that underneath we are 'normal' people even if it is not always apparent in our current behaviors lol.

Does anyone else get so that they absolutely hate talking about themselves as well? Accompanying all this anxiety and anger for me is that extreme withdrawl. Even when people ask what did you do on the weekend I get real annoyed and try and change the subject lol.

I'm glad your doctor is running the test, who knows she may be onto something. I really hope so!!!

This post can be me talking.
And u hit the nail on the head with "The difference between the sick and healthy personality is as different as night and day"
So true, When I feel great and out with friends for dinner or shopping, I can't recall how feeling sick feels, then when i feel sick, I wonder how I ever got out of the house.

I also have lyme so not sure if it's that or metal, but I'm determined to get better and not let this consume me.
I want to get back to work full time (been off for 2 months now) and get back to working out (was working out 4 days a week) and just want to feel good again.

It will happen....never give up hope :-)

Yes, when I'm well I forget how I feel in the depressed phase too. I hope you get back to work soon. I'm actually thinking of quitting my job and just lazing around for a couple of weeks. I'm so relaxed at home and everyone at work now thinks I'm a psycho after my lovely outbursts. I'm so annoyed with myself at losing it in front of people at work even though I didn't have any choice or control over my emotions. When everyone starts treating you as though you are a mad person it's hard to not be one. It's as if people who have not gone through this are afraid of extreme emotions. I mean yes I did cry and yell at someone but I'm not about to go on a shooting spree or something, people don't have to treat me like I'm a complete nutcase lol. The laughing is the worst, god why would anyone laugh or make fun of someone who is obviously not coping too well for what ever reason. Maybe part of this whole thing is being way to sensitive about what other people think. Anyways I'm rambling now.

Yes, in person I attempt to avoid talking much of the time (I know that sounds hard to believe, given the fact I can't shut up on here <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> ).

But you try and avoid becoming the focus of anything and I'm the same. If someone even says "how are you?" my anxiety level shoots up. I mean it's honestly ridiculous, but just being spoken to can be enough and sometimes I feel like hitting them. It's totally irrational of course. And outbursts? Oh yes, I would hate to think how I would go down in a work situation. I cannot even handle family ones. I'm better kept where I am until I gain anymore stability.

Had I not had an idea of normality, I'd consider this an unfortunate mind and personality and be possibly even more screwed up by the idea.

I also can come across as devoid of personality, even my voice is robotic. Loss of animation and not the kind of person you'd invite to get the party going ..... Unless you wanted it "going" out the door <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

But again, it's much easier to understand when you recognise that these traits are actually normal given what toxicity and illness can do.

Again, no amount of psycho-analysis did a thing to help me, or antidepressant/antianxiety drugs either. IMproving health did though. Amazing, just improve your health and the mental symptoms can miraculously lift along with it....you would think they might catch on? I have been lucky that I found 3 doctors among the rest who actually believe in the relationship of sickness/toxicity and severe mental symptoms and behaviours and actually made "some" difference and that was only by using methods to improve overall health...hmmmmm.

bex,

hahaha good descrition of the "life of the party." i can totally relate. looking back and understanding this a lot better, i find that i have been pretty mechanical and robotic myself. there just isn't enough energy to express emotion. with no energy, there is no life in us. i've always forced it with my friends and did my best to have a social life. going to dance clubs, drinking, etc but i could never enjoy it like everyone else although i "looked" normal.

Bex, I can empathize.
I'm 42 now and when I was 18 had my first panic attack. They got so bad, I was housebound for a year by the time I was 20. My parents got me into therapy where I stayed for 4 yrs (summers off) and then when I was 30 ,was in a special anxiety clinic for 2 yrs and neither the therapy or the clinic did a thing to help.
I worked hard and got out of the shell. I didn't use drugs, but sheer will.

I've been sick with lyme or whatever illness is plaguing my body for a long time. I'm not sure if the anxiety is caused from the illness, but I know it's one of the symptoms that can be controlled with exposure. It doesn't mean it's going to go away, but it can be controlled.
I still get major panic and anxiety, but I stopped letting it stop me,

I went from being housebound for an entire yr, and not driving anymore, to not ever seeing friends to getting a great job, joining a gym, driving all over (even on 15 hr car rides alone) and becoming "normal" again.
Which by the way, exercise controlled a lot of my panic

It took me a long time, but with enough exposue I was able to get functional again.

Since taking abx for lyme, My anxiety has been A LOT worse and since being home sick, my agoraphobia has been coming back a little...but the trick is to keep moving.
Sharks will die if they stop, we need to apply the same theory.

I know how much panic can control you, but you can't blame it on the illness in order to get better. You need to expose yourself.

Not judging you by the way, but i know how you feel and what hepled me.

Peacesoul, I understand what you're saying. It is very hard that the cause may well be toxic, but there is the balance of trying not to allow it to completely dictate .... which is very hard because of the way it can puppet our feelings.

I think it's great if people can push themselves out there a bit more than they would like when suffering this at the sametime. That's admirable.

For me? Going out and trying to do stuff did not make these feelings die down. No matter how hard I tried and believe me, I did and social outings etc were very painful for me and then blaming myself because of my anxious behaviours too and were never something I looked back fondly on and often put me off even more.

When I feel better and more able, then my outings become something to feel good about and remember fondly....I don't like to push myself in my toxic sick state to prove to myself "I went out"....but I agree with you that certain efforts must be made somehow!

I think it is different for everybody what may help them. Isolating oneself is obviously not the answer, but it's often the nature of the beast with these things. Not to use it as a lifelong excuse for doing "nothing", but it does bring understanding.

Good on you for pushing yourself out there regardless and thankfully that did help you and probably would for others too who took that advice. For me, I must be in a better state, I know myself well with this thing. Admittedly I could make more efforts re the outside world a bit more, when I feel a wee bit better.

But when I feel much better, well....it comes naturally. If only that could be everyday!!! A little better is fine, but the rest of me has to do the pushing.

I've always had the tendency there, which may have been life long mercury (highly possible), but I always still went out to some extent. It was only when i got REALLY ill that I withdrew almost completely. But then who wants to go out when they feel sick? Not many people do! even those of normal health who just feel unwell don't usually want to do much.

So it's not just the anxiety side of it, it is still the rest of it.

I like to get out and be with people, however when my chemical sensitivity is severe, getting a whif of diesel fumes, perfume or cologne, cigarette smoke, incense, candles burning, or some cooking odors can quicky cause muscle ache or a headache. When my chemical sensitivity is severe, I become fearful of what might suddenly trigger a bad reaction. The chemical sensitivy is very extreme at times, but at times not so severe. I am in the process of getting my amalgams replaced.and am more than half way done. i am a single 48 year old man.

Hi JK98, very sorry to hear of the chemical sensitivity and have heard of this being connected to mercury (and candida).

Have you been tested for the replacement materials before you get them put in? To make sure you do not have any unnecessary reactions? Problem is, it's a bit of dilemma because if you have alot of mercury in you, you can react in an exaggerated way to almost anything...

So sometimes with chelation, you can find your sensitivities getting less (food included). But to be extra certain. it is wise to do as many tests as you can on dental materials and see which ones come up the least offensive to your immune system. I am not sure about the accuracy of these tests, but I would probably do it anyway.

You can also ask for a sample of the material (hard sample) from the dentist (this should include composite, bond and lining) and do a cheek and gum test to check for oral reactions or in fact any reactions. You just hold it in your mouth for a few hours each day and see how you feel with it (between gum and cheek).

Other than that, or alongside that you would be wise to get a serum compatibility test and any other test too can be helpful. Whatever materials seems to come out best in all tests is a pretty good bet you'll be ok with it. There are always contradictions, but some materials can seem to come out ok on all.

HI Shawn and Bex, I can relate to the robotic thing. I've definatley gone through that. For me it wasn't just the lack of energy but also just feeling completely detached from everything around me, I found it really hard to relate to just about anything, my sense of humour went AWOL and I guess I spent so much time in my head -- a place I couldn't get out of no matter what!

Bex

You said

Went to the doctor today and she is concerned and is gonig to be testing my hormones (properly) she asked me something really interesting. She said "Do you get the urge to sit constantly and avoid standing?" and I looked at her quite astonished and said "YES, that has been happening for 4 years now and it's like a pulling heavy sensation in the abdominal region, all around that whole area feels weird and affects my whole body' and she nodded.

I think she is going to test your aldosterone, which is a hormone produced by the adrenals. Low aldosterone will make your blood pressure low, make you dizzy when you stand up, make you crave salt, and generally feel weak, shaky and blah. People low in aldosterone prefer sitting to standing. I am the same, and two of my three children are also low in aldosterone, thanks to the mercury they inherited from me. People with low aldosterone also find that sometimes blood pools in their extremities, because the blood pressure isn't high enough to push it up the body. Palpitations are also common in these people - every time I stand up my heart starts pounding, and that's on meds.

Do you take salt every day (unrefined sea salt, not table salt)? This would help increase your blood pressure, and would be a first step towards supporting your adrenals. I wouldn't do it before the testing, however.

Good luck with it all - let's hope it will bring some answers for you. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/byebye.gif" alt="" />

Best
Nicola

Hi JK98

Having MCS is very isolating, as one becomes so sensitive to any chemical odor that even the washing powder on someone else's clothes can cause a reaction, which Dr Pall in the US as explained is due to the sense of smell becoming more acute, then a reaction set off which releases nitric oxide into the bloodstream which is not a good thing to have, causing damage, and then later an immune response. All of this causes stress to the body, which has set up its own warning signal to avoid the chemicals that the body can no longer excrete easily.

You end up being isolated anyway and especially as your relatives may think that you are nuts for reacting like this. Mine do. I tried to get them to not wear scented stuff near me but they would not comply.

Hopefully replacement will ease this condition.

Hi Imgeha,

This weird problem started after a virus and then further dental work. I just started to get this weird cramping feeling in the lower gut, like a dead weight. I've carried it ever since.

Sometimes it lightens up and my whole body responds and I feel like getting up and doing stuff. But this is rare, and mostly I stay quite handicapped by it. I don't notice dizziness or the things you mentioned, it is just a feeling of dead weight in the abdominal area and sometimes goes right around to the back.

Nobody knows what is wrong, I've even had a scan and it's perfecty clear. The candida diet has helped this from time to time, but it always returns readiy when I make any errors. Either further toxic exposure, redistribution of toxins already in me, or cheats on diet. Everything seems to go straight to the lower gut.

It hits me there and remains there and I just cannot handle standing or walking around. I have the urge to constantly sit down. Hard to explain and not something I ever used to have. It interests me that one doctor reckons it's the gangrene from my jaw area that is connected to the gut area. He reckons this might be what's going on.

I however don't know that and it seems a bit too weird to me. Plus this "gangrene" is only detected by his own EAV machine and not really enough xray evidence to support it. Though I believe him, because the side he speaks about is the exact side where the wisdom tooth was removed and how ill I got afterwards...coiincidence perhaps.

At any rate, nobody has an explanation for what's really going on here. It's a mystery and after this recent dental work, things have gotten MUCH worse in that area. I feel so ill now daily that I don't know what to do but "sit". If I move, I get worse. Exercise is out of the question, I try doing that and my virus symptoms flare back up and I wind up in bed with sore throat, fever like feelings and the rest.

So it's a dilemma to say the least. One things just sets of another in me. LIke a dominoe effect. I wish I knew what to do, but it's not so easy! I'm taking DMSA right now in case there has been exposure in the dental office with vapor, but doesn't seem to be doing a thing to help.

It could have been all the local anaesthetic that has made things worse. The toxic by-products? Is there a way of neutralising these toxins? I'm taking vitamin C and E right now and sometimes selenium and I"m on a good diet, but still suffering.

I don't have table salt, I have Real Salt (redmonds rock salt). I even have it with my vitamin C as well, supposed to be a healthy drink and whether I take it or not, don't notice much difference.

Thanks for the info yu've given though, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> it'll be interesting what turns up from these tests.
Cheers.

"Have you been tested for the replacement materials before you get them put in? "

Testing won't really help, as my dentist is not offering me options for alternative materials. The larger filings are being replaced with inlays and onlays, and the smaller ones with composites. He uses just one composite material, so I have no choices. I needed some crowns and expressed concerns about the metal in crowns. He said that I could get all pocelain crowns at a slight additional cost. I asked him if they would be structurally strong enough, and he said yes. So my latest crowns will be all porcelain. I don't have any composites yet. I guess I should just get a few composites installed the first time to see if I have a reaction to them. I asked him if he uses Diamond Lite and he said no. He told me what he uses, but I forgot what he said. I guess many are worrying about bis phenol a.

I think I need to get the rest of the mercury out of my mouth and then perhaps start chelating. The chemical sensitivity has been driving me crazy. I need to avoid indoor places with a large number of people. When I go to an event that I expect few people to attend, sometimes I need to leave in a hurry if many people show up and someone is wearing a strong cologne or perfume. I try switching seats to the least crowded area, but often this doesn't help. I wish something would be done about the toxic aldehydes in many fragrences. They aren't just in perfumes and colognes, but also in many shampoos, soaps, laundry detergents, cleaning products, etc. Cigarette smoke is a big problem for me. While smoking is banned in indoor public places, I can sometimes get a bad reaction when someone walking down the sidewalk near me is smoking. I wish legislation would be passed to ban smoking in all public places, including city sidewalks.