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Well I decided to try the candida spit test and it seems to float and I feel that means I must be ok?

Not sure of the validity of the test though.

I plan on getting a YORK test though as I heard its extremely accurate.

ANd the dentist will do the mercury Vapour test and I will get them removed.

I will then do the proper Detox.

If I am still unwell I know of a special saliva test for hormones like testosterone and even thyroid , DHEA etc. And a urine check for sulphite levels and neurotransmiters levels.

Im glad I found this website as all of you made me believe that Im not causing the symptoms myself and their is an answer to alot of my problems. Im sick of doctors and glad I found this site.

I feel I will be able to get my life back on track.

Its a shame my parents think this mercury thing is rubbish. I tried showing them the website and they just say oh get over it our fine and you dont need anti depressants you need to keep busy.

Its doesnt help and I felt like I lost hope but knowing that others out their suffer and hae coped and are now helping others it makes me happy.

I am not certain about the spit test. Either way, it is wise to be on the diet because it's unlikely you will have yeast at manageable levels if you are toxic. It is "possible" I guess, but unlikely.

When you do the spit test, did you do it first thing upon waking up? before eating/drinking? And when you checked the spit, did you make sure you held the glass up to see whether there was any clouding/specks in the water? And whether any of that spit was sinking or had sunk to the bottom? you may find some stays floating and the rest can sink.

Make sure it was accurate. But personally I'd go on the diet regardless for the health benefits and if you happened to get a die off/ detox effect, you'd pretty much know you've got candida problems. Once you knock out sugar etc and keep it up for a few days, watch what happens.

Also those foods like sugar etc are bad for anybody and lower the immunity. So they are good to kick out of the diet anyway.

I'm glad you found some help here! It's very hard to be believed with an illness like this because it's pretty invisible and you'll be told it's in your mind, you're just "neurotic" or like you've had "you need to be kept busy".

It's hard not to let it get to you, but try not to. I've had it all myself from relatives and I try now to take no notice of them. It always comes from those who simply haven't gone through it. If they had, they'd never say such things.

Joe,

Sorry to hear that your family isn't supportive of this, but luckily there are lots of people on this forum who understand what you're going through.

I assume it's possible to have mercury toxicity without candida, but I really don't know for sure. What I do know is that there is not a definitive test for candida in existence. I've heard about the saliva test before, but I have never once read any research about it or had anyone confirm it's validity. It could be valid, but I'm always a bit skeptical unless I have some sort of proof.

The best diagnostic tool for candida is the self-questionnaire - you can find it at www.wholeapproach.com -- they are a support forum dedicated to Candida Related Complex. And while the questionnaire is a good tool, it is limited in the fact that the symptoms overlap so much with other disorders, such as mercury toxicity, adrenal fatigue, thyroid issues, etc. So I've been treating candida for over 3 years now, but I can no longer tell how bad an issue candida is for me, now that I have discovered that i have adrenal, thyroid, and mercury issues....which symptoms come from which piece of the puzzle? It's hard to know. Either way, I think it's a good place to start.

Also, have you read Pat Sullivan's book? He talks about a test that supposedly tells you more definitively if you have candida or not. I had never heard of the test before, nor know anything of its validity, so of course I am skeptical. On the plus side though, that is how Pat Sullivan is too (he likes difinitive tests and is skeptical of things that don't have research to back it up), so that lends weight to the test, I would think. I have the ebook, if you want to check it out. Or they will send you a link to it if you sign up for the free newsletter on their website, www.jigsawhealth.com .

~Tia

Hi Joe, it is highly unlikely that you have metal toxicity without candida...our bodies produce yeast/candida to protect us from heavy metals.

And the spit test is not conclusive at all, I would do the questionaire that Weird toes recommended from whole approach...it is right on.

Best luck with your research,
Sandi
xoxo

I really appreciate everyones help and understanding.
To be honest I didnt get to do the test properly as my brother was watching me and telling me how silly I was spitting in a glass. Maybe some of it did sink.

Well I have been on alot of antibiotics when I was little with alot of infections so I believe its been a build up.

The die off Detox effects - Is that when you get worsening of symptoms? I find it difficult doing the diet as im not sure if its my sugar levels but I seem to get in a really bad mood and I find it embarrassing. But I guess its best to stick to it and I cant wait to get my amalgams out.

Joe,

Unfortunatley, the bad moods can be a very normal thing for people going through either a candida or mercury detox. Die-off or "healing crisis" is when you are detoxing or killing yeast, which temporarily releases more of the toxins into your system, before they can be flushed out. So you tend to feel a little worse before you feel better. And typically the areas you feel worse in are the areas that your worst symptoms were in to begin with. It goes in cycles as you detox, where you will feel worse and then better, then around again. Drinking tons of water and taking any supplements that help neutralize the toxins can be helpful.

Both the illnesses themselves, and the "healing crisis" symptoms can affect hormones dramatically. I've heard of countless people say that they turn into a "bear" or families have a difficult time being around them when going through detox. I've definitely had it happen to me, where I will get irritable, grouchy, whiny, depressed angry...during detox, and it can be embarassing, since I'm typically laid back and that's not like me. But I will sometimes throw it out there to my fiance "I'm sorry I'm being so grumpy today. I know that I am, and I'm trying not to, but I'm going through some die-off and it's getting to me." And then he has a better understanding, and can ignore me if he needs to <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> . So you're not alone - this happens to a lot of us. There are also tons of posts and articles on the die-off/healing crisis issue on www.wholeapproach.com .

Take care,
~Tia

Hi Joe, you're welcome. I'd ditch the spit test for now and do the diet. The fact you get symptoms when you do the diet, shows you have a problem and it maybe far worse than you realise. May also have a lot to do with what you are going through.

It is not easy, symptoms get worsen initially before they improve. Moodiness is one of them. You will get grumpy, you may even get tearful, depressed, anxious, anything at all can occur whilst the body is trying to clean itself up.

The diet needs to be stuck to, it's not one you can just cheat on. The body, given enough time on the proper candida diet, can then begin to start improving/repairing. It takes will power, patience and effort.

Don't be discouraged. You will find you crave sugar also (if you have candida) and at times you'll feel lik eyou are starving, when you are not. That's because it needs food to survive and if it finds it is starting to starve, it will do all it can to get you to consume sugars in any form.

Thanks again for the support and help.

I just did the spit test again and it did show that it was cloudy and it all fell looked like a waterfall etc. I showed my parents saying im going to do the diet and they said well I think everyone has candida as we all eat sweets and that.
But they went and bought me gluten and wheat free biscuits lol. THEY ARE PACKED FULL OF SUGAR!! Its so hard to do the diet when the house if full of cakes and sweets too.

What made things worse my dad went and asked teh dentist and they said mercury is safe its proven in a survey and that people are just money grabbers. THIS FRUSTRATED ME SO MUCH as my parents believe the dentists. I said well the amalgam fillings are cheaper and easier to use so they just use them.

I want to find a candida or mercury support group in the UK or Birmingham.

"What made things worse my dad went and asked teh dentist and they said mercury is safe its proven in a survey and that people are just money grabbers."

Most mercury free dentists and chelation doctors could double their salary if they went back to poisoning people to death and prescribing allopathic drugs. It's not about money for them, it's about doing the right thing, working with their hearts, and trying to save people's lives. As for this so called mind-boggling "survey", there is mass amount of scientific evidence showing that mercury amalgam is downright dangerous to the human body, and not a shred of evidence to confirm that it is safe.

I still find the denial rather strange. Amalgams give of mercury vapour, the most dangerous form of mercury. Mercury can collect in bodily tissues and the effects of mercury on the human body are well known.

I suppose one side of this argument says the amount of vapour released is not enough to do the damage that is being reported and the other side says it is. I do believe it is but this is something that still seems difficult to prove conclusively. I think thats because there are so many variables which can make conclusive research findings difficult. Mercury is apparantly everywhere and we are ingesting it all the time. Some people also have amalgams in and they do not cause them a problem. That is because they dont give of much vapour and the individual excretes heavy metals easily. A friend of mine went to my dentist who removed my amalgams and he advised against her having her amalgams removed.

Also a lot of the symptoms experienced in mercury tox can also be attributable to other things which further compounds this problem. For example emotional issues/problems can be because of a disturbing childhood and physical problems can be because of poor nutrition and other toxicities.

The denial is due to total ignorance of the issues involved, and dental associations who fear massive litigation. It is well proven by toxicologists that mercury is neurotoxic, thyrotoxic, adrenotoxic, immunotoxic, cytotoxic, hepatotoxic, cardiotoxic, etc etc. Some countries have already banned amalgam or have stated their desire to do so (Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Austria).

WHY CANT DENTISTS WAKE UP OR COME CLEAN, IT JUST MAKES ME SICK!