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Hey guys,

I will be traveling in Thailand for a month, so I need to get a Hepatitis A shot before I go...and my assumption is that it will contain thimerosal (mercury) in it. I'm not happy about this, but my doctor said that they will all have it, plus I do not have the time to research and try to find a doctor whose shots are thimerosal-free (I've got a deadline).

So I will find out when I go if it contains thimerosal or not, but either way, I kind of feel like I have to get it. If it does contain it, do you guys have any suggestions for how to minimize the damage it does to me? I'm pretty nervous about this. I'm pretty sure I am mercury toxic, and know I have lead toxicity, so the thought of thimerosal scares me to no end. I also have my wedding coming up in about 10 days, and I just don't want to get sick from this shot.

I assume Algin would be helpful, and I still have that on hand. I will also eat this cilantro pesto that I make. Any other recommendations?

Thanks a lot!!

~Tia

Don't get it. Sorry, I simply wouldn't get the shot.

I was just in Thailand and I didn't get a Hep shot.

I'd rather go to Thailand and eat packaged food and bottled water and wash my hands a lot and use anti-bacteria lotion than to get a thimerosol-laced vaccine.

A thimerosol-laced flu shot me up big time. That's why I'm on this board. I wouldn't do it.

Taking a thimerosal vaccine is the best way to get your auto-immune system messed up. You'll end up with auto-immune dysfunction causing hypothyroidism, then causing depression, then bipolar disorder, then chronic fatigue syndrome, then Asperger's/Schizotypical like symptoms...

You want a recommendation pal? Just don't get the god damn shot! And get those dental amalgam removed ASAP while you're at it.

Don't do it....if can't find the time to find a doctor that does thimersol-free vaccines, do you really have time and the money to deal with the highly potential mess afterwards?

I was a healthy very healthy baby, according to my mom. I started getting slowed down before I was 5 years old and I progressively sloped downwards. Mercury laden injections are the reason my health has been destroyed. Do you think I would have done things differently if I had the choice?

Don't get this shot. There should be no choice in the matter. I can't express to you how big of a mistake getting this shot would be.

About the cilantro pesto.. this would also be a huge mistake. Cilantro opens the door that is your blood-brain barrier for mercury. The most dangerous place for mercury is in your brain. If a large excess of mercury is suddenly floating around in your blood (from injection) and the door to your brain is open, some of the mercury will go through the door. The results could be devastating.

Don't get that shot, enjoy your trip and the rest of your life.
-Colin

I agree with these answers. How many babies have I heard that were developing normally and healthy, had vaccinations and ended up coincidentally "autistic" with devastated parents. Interestingly enough that many get startling results with chelation.....

Also, I heard about a 17 year old guy who was getting flu shots every year. He was healthy and strong and just decided to get them anyway. Well, I do not know how many times he got away with it, but one year after the flu shot he became pretty much an invalid and has remained so. His Mother was asking people on forums for help because she believed it was the mercury and he displayed all signs of mercury poisoning, so she was hoping someone could help her with the right advice and that maybe she could do something for him.

This was a guy that had been previously healthy and popular and energetic. From a few flu shots, he's now a mess and the last one was obviously the final straw that broke the camel's back. Now he's pretty much full blown mercury toxic.

I have also heard of this happening to others where I live, that they had the flu shot and remained sick and poisoned from then on. Others "fine". One lady got the flu shot and was such a mess from it that she did not seem to recover. I'm not talking about a temporary flu that some get after it, I mean so ill that she lost so much weight and became so pale, she looked like a walking corpse.

So for some people vaccinations have been an absolute nightmare. One friend I have has an autistic child, yet was not "born" that way but coincidentally became that way. I mentioned the mercury connection possibility but she got annoyed and didn't want to know, so some people do get very annoyed when you try and mentioin this or help. Because it doesn't seem that it could really be true OR they feel so angry and guilty that the vaccinations could have done this that they cannot even allow that to even enter their minds.

Long time ago I messed myself up big time with all the shots going for a trip to South America.Several months later my hair started fallin out in clumps, not to mention the subtler prollems that never went away an got worse.
Nowadays I always use homeopathic "vaccines", even when I went to Africa.And no prollems, neither.
I don't even give ma dog vaccines an she is way better off than her contemporaries.
Do y'all think might could be these docs are just sellin ya this injection?Whole lotta folks here go to Thailand and don't get jabs, seem to come back just fine, too.

Thanks for all the replies and advice guys! I typically wouldn't even think of getting a shot with thimerosal, but this is a unique situation. It's not that I'm not taking the time to find a doctor who has thimerosal-free....it's just that there simply is no time. I just found out that I am supposed to get the shot, and they need you to get it 2 weeks before the trip if it's going to work. I am under the 2 week mark as it is, and my wedding is coming up in 10 days.

Don't worry, I already know the dangers of mercury, and I already got my amalgams removed. I'm scared to death of thimerosal, and when I was required to get a hep b shot for school, I fought it tooth and nail until they waived the requirement for me. I just felt like I was in a bind, and although my holistic practitioner advised against all the other shots they advise (there are some ridiculous ones on the list, like rabies!), he thought that hep a would be a good one to get. This doctor wasn't trying to sell me on it, because he is vehemently against most all immunizations. He didn't exactly advise this one, but said that it might be a good idea, and he wouldn't advise against it like he did for the others. In fact, he laughed at the ridiculousness of the other shot recommendations, because they are so unnecessary.

i called the place, and they checked the ingredients and claim that thimerosal is NOT in their shots. When I arrive, I am going to insist on seeing the ingredients myself, because I honestly don't trust them. If it contains it, I think I will probably go without. Eating packaged food is not a possibility for me to do the entire trip, but I would probably rather take my chances with getting hep A and getting sick as a dog (it's temproary, and is described kind of like a stomach bug that really knocks you flat), rather than increase my mercury toxicity.

Thanks again for the replies.

~Tia

Bex,

I hear you about the autism/mercury link.....I work with children with autism, and I know the link exists. It might not be the cause for every case of it (although it might), but it certainly is for a substantial population in my opinion. The family I work with now is willing to read over the mercury/chelation/biomedical treatments if I compile it together, which is inspiring. So I plan to pull resources together for them, in hopes they can add in these treatments in addition to the behavioral therapy I do with him.

~Tia

Hi Tia,

What happens if you don't take the shot? Will you still be allowed to travel to Thailand?

When you ask yourdoc about whether Thimerasol is in the Hep A shot, I'd insist on reading the label for yourself. I've heard stories of people who have requested Thimerasol-free vaccines and when they insisted on seeing the labels (even though their docs were adamant about them being Thimerasol-free), lo and behold . . . they had mercury in them.

Here's a link to a website that has alternative names for mercury -- including Thimerasol. It might be useful to know all the different names that companies use for mercury.

http://www.dienviro.com/index1.aspx?BD=17882

Hugs,
SomedaySoon (Sharon)

As I mentioned, I went to Thailand 2 months ago. Was with 2 friends, neither of whom got sick, and neither of whom was particularly careful.

We're talking one step up from drinking out of the river that runs through Bangkok.

And I won't tell you what other potentially unsanitary things they did. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I wouldnt get a shot, not in a million years, health is much more important, you'l be taking quite a few steps back.
I had loads of shots when i went to North africa, i was 18 at the time, not long after i was diagnosed with hashi's, and had a heart murmer.

Hi Tia, Sounds like a difficult situation.

First, I would find out if you *really* have to have the shot. People—including doctors—are notorious for saying that you *have* to do something when you really don't. They just don't want to deal with something different.

Second, Dr. Tenpenny suggests lots of Citrus Bioflavonoids (Vitamin C) and Vitamin E with Selenium (if I remember correctly; it's been a while since I've watched her video.). I also believe Algin would help.

I believe most of the hepatitis shots contain aluminum as well. You can deal with this using a malic acid supplement like Fibralgia (Fibro-Malic). I would take the recommended dose until the bottle was empty (1 capsule with a meal 3 times per day).

I believe the Hep A also contains phenoxyethanol (anti-freeze additive). Other names for this chemical are:

2-Phenoxy-1-ethanol
Phenoxyethanol
Ethylene glycol monophenyl ether
Phenoxytolarosol
Dowanol EP / EPH
Emery 6705
Rose ether
1-Hydroxy-2-phenoxyethane
&#946;-hydroxyethyl phenyl ether
Phenyl cellosolve

Here is a link to an MSDS:
Safety data for 2-phenoxyethanol

This part is especially reassuring:

Toxicology

"Harmful if swallowed, inhaled or absorbed through the skin. May cause reproductive defects. Severe eye and skin irritant."

This also looks encouraging:

2-Phenoxyethanol: a neurotoxicant?

Study Text:
http://www.whale.to/a/2pe1.html
http://www.whale.to/a/2pe2.html

Don't mean to discourage you. This kind of vaccine nonsense just makes me, well, sick.

Some of the vaccines that contain 2-phenoxyethanol are:

• Havrix® Hepatitis A Vaccine, Inactivated SmithKline Beecham Biologicals
• PEDIARIX™ GlaxoSmithKline
• DAPTACEL Manufactured by: Aventis Pasteur
• IPOL Poliovirus Vaccine Inactivated Manufactured by: Aventis Pasteur
• INFANRIX ® HepB Combined Diphtheria-Tetanus-acellular Pertussis (DTPa) and Hepatitis B Vaccine SmithKline Beecham Biologicals
• TETRAVAC® Suspension for i.m. (intramuscular?) Injection - Used only in Germany.

Solutions:

Well, after about 40 minutes of searching, I cannot find a solution for this one.


Hope this helps.

ARE YOU CRAZY???? IT CAN TAKE YEARS TO REPAIR THE DAMAGE FROM MERCURY POISONING. I WOULD SAY HEP A IS MUCH LESS DANGEROUS THAN MERCURY POISONING. MOST PEOPLE HAVE NO CHOICE WHEN THEY BECOME HG TOXIC: YOU HAVE. DONT DO IT.

Just read your post Russ. All I have to say is .... well............ Just Uggggg!

I cringe when I think of all the vaccines and immunizations my daughter had. Way back then I thought I was doing the right thing. Now when I read the truth about vaccines and immunizations I just feel SO guilty and angry. As if we Moms don't have enough to worry about. lol!

Tia, I go back to what I said before and echo what Russ said -- what happens if you don't take it? According to blicero, you can still travel to Thailand without the vaccine. You already have to take those Malaria pills, right? Seems like it would be challenging to your immune system with everything that's going on to add a vaccine to the mix.

A difficult decision and situation, I know.

By the way, I've had a word with the Boss upstairs -- a special request that you'll have glorious weather on your wedding day.

SomedaySoon (Sharon)

thanks for all the time and effort you put into researching that for me Russ! I really appreciate it! I have until tomorrow morning to make up my mind.....I went in and read the ingredients myself - there is no thimerosal and no mercury,but there definitely is aluminum, which is quite scary.

Sharon and Russ - the shot is NOT required, there are no requirements before traveling there. It's just highly recommended because hep a is extremely widespread and easy to get there. But I'm so scared of putting the aluminum in my system. My fiance got the shot and was fine - but he is healthy and is obviously able to excrete metals, while I am not. I also don't want to have to worry about getting sick from anything I eat the entire month I am there.....or ruin my entire trip from getting sick the whole time. But more importantly, I don't want to have the shot mess me up permanantly!!!

Thanks again for the concern and thoughts on this. I'll let you all know what I decide!

~Tia

ps - i understand and appreciate the concern some of you have posted about....but is it possible to give a suggestion or advice without beating someone over the head with it? i really do appreciate the input and concern....but i think we could be less forceful about it sometimes. and no i am not crazy, and no i do not have a choice about being mercury toxic - i already am. i don't want to make it worse, which is why i am considering it so carefully...

Thanks for the prayers Sharon!!!!!

Hi weird toes, I'm glad you posted what you did because when someone toxic like us is between a rock and a hard place, it's good to post and get people's opinions and you should be able to do that without getting hammered over it.

I think when someone has been injured by vaccinations and feel strongly enough, I see they let rip sometimes though and often it comes across as blunt and not always overly pleasant, but you know they are angry that they got so ill themselves and no doubt wish someone had warned them strongly enough before they had this happen.

It is a really hard decision for you to make. Even if it has no mercury, the aluminium maybe a concern too. Look, I wonder do you think you can risk just going over there without vaccinating? Perhaps take something like grapefruit seed extract which is potent against bacteria, viruses etc??? Ok it doesn't taste overly palatable, but it can kill almost anything. That is a thought.

But again, you may feel safer taking the vaccination and that is your right. But yes for us metal toxic folk, all metals are a concern and we do not tend to excrete them properly. Ok for hte stronger, but not ok for us. But who wants Hepatitis either? Can you get in touch with a naturopath or homeopath and ask if they have a natural aid to help you or even act as a preventative????

Thank you Bex!!

I can risk it, and that is how I am leaning....but that does scare me too.....I really don't want to have to worry about getting it the entire time I am there. I need to be able to relax on this trip (just finished grad school, where I also worked close to full time during it).....my adrenal gland is shot and I know my immune system is poor.

I have read about a homeopathic called "Hepatitis a 30" that a couple websites say to take in place of the shot.....but a google search does not bring up any products by that name.

I now have one hour to decide.....

~Tia

HI Tia, whichever way you decide to you, wishing you all the best and hope it'll be ok. Very tough decision and I do not know which way I would go either. Perhaps, if you do take the shot, you could start taking something to aid you in excreting the aluminium?

Someone mentioned something on here about what to take for that, so I'll go check it out. But I would get stuck into the vitamins though like the antioxidants and eat really healthy to try and boost yourself as much as you can.

Yes, you do want to be able to relax without worrying constantly whether you'll get hep or not. But blast these vaccination toxins too!!!! They really do people a disservice when they put us in such positions.

Again, best wishes. You're only trying to do the best you can and nobody really knows which way things will turn out, even if they try and make the safest decision. No guarantees in life as I can painfully attest to.

Take care
Bex.