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Hi all!

I just started chelation. I'm using Andrew Cutler Hall's protocol. I am hypothyroid and whilst the thyroid function has been stabilized with both T4 and T3, I still have cognitive concerns and also some major fatigue spouts. In short, I have Asperger's and ADD symptoms. The good news is that I didn't have any amalgams to remove. I only had one amalgam years ago, when I was younger, it was on a baby's tooth and it fell in my mouth when the tooth fell and I didn't swallow it. I believe most of my mercury exposure came from my mother's amalgams when she was pregnant. Or so the theory of autism/asperger's as misdiagnoses of mercury tox goes. I also receive many thimerosal vaccines throughout my life.

For my first round, I did only DMSA 12.5 mg each 4 hours (No ALA). I observed a lite burning feeling in my stomach a few minutes after ingesting the DMSA capsule, but nothing untolerable. On the third capsule I started having cold feet and a mild headache. At the end of the first day, I sensed something was going on in my thyroid it felt slightly enflammed, it went away the next day. On the second day, I felt again the lite burning feeling in my stomach, a mild headache and a the end of the afternoon I had diarrhea (2nd stool). On the third day, my first stool was ok, then the 2nd one was in diarrhea. Upon discontinuation of the DMSA for this first round, the diarrhea went away.

I'm writing this 3 days after discontinuation and I just can't believe how much better I feel. WOW. I feel so much less anxious, I am more relaxed. A part of the infamous "brain fog" is gone. Still got some difficulty concentrating, not much motivation has returned yet. But I feel much more physical/muscular strenght now. Oh yeah, my hair has restarted to curl now. My hair is no longer thin and brittle and shineless, it's thicker, denser and more pigmented. I can't say if all this is coming from the DMSA, maybe the magnesium/zinc supplement I took after the round helped. If it is the DMSA, then man this is quite some stuff! Is it possible? That after one round I can be feeling so much better?

This said, I await further rounds with interest, no doubt.

For round 2, I decided to up the DMSA dose to 25 mg and add 12.5 mg ALA. I tolerated so well the stuff that I am prepared to risk raising the dosage.

Signing off.

Frankly, I don't know if symptoms can be alleviated that fast. However, I do know that it depends upon a persons current physical conditiion, the level of mercury toxicity and their ability to eliminate the toxins.

I do know that at the beginning I felt better than I do now as I just completed my 9th round of chelation, however, there were existing adrenal and thyroid issues, that I just started to address and are making chelation much more bearable.

So far, in the little time I have been on this forum (6 months) I haven't seen anything about hair straightening. I have heard of reactions in the stomach, diarrehea, bones aching, spaciness and emotional rollercoasters. I think it's different for each person. I have also experienced what seem like overnight miracles with each round of chelation, as in brain fog lifting, clarity in thought and speech, word-searching stopped, twitches in eye going away, muscles and bones not hurting anymore, etc.

I have had the feeling in my thyroid as well. It sometimes hurts more during chelation than on the days off. I am also dealing with scalp tenderness which is moving its way down my forehead now and a red rash on my neck that was at my ears and is now at my throat, which I believe is the mercury moving from the top of my body and is on its way out.

Adding cortisol and uping thyroid meds these past two weeks have really helped offset some of the fatigue I normally get during my "chelation days" Monday-Wedneday.

Hope this helps,
Gabriella

Hi there, yes it is possible. DMSA is much more powerful than realised I believe and underestimated. Even a very small amount can get rid of some mercury and done andy cutler's way, not only are you taking much more DMSA (when you consider the collective amount once you add it all up), but you're taking it in a way that is safer and avoids so much redistribution.

You have in actual fact consumed over 200 mg of DMSA over 3 days, so you would have removed some mercury in that time. And perhaps it was enough to cause a prompt improvement.

The key is not to overdo it, but enough to where your body can keep up with what you're doing and not overload it to where it just gets far too sick in the process. Seems you are responding well to it already and hope this continues. But you can really get rollercoaster rides. improvements, then a feeling of regression and on it goes in a cycle. \

Best wishes though and let us hope that more improvements will come! Andy recommends about 50 - 100 mg as a reasonable dose, but so many simply have to start really low for a while until they are able to tolerate the higher dose. To him it's low, but to many of us it is still very high.

Also if the DMSA youtook happened to remove a bit of mercury in an area where it was causing problems, it's amazing how suddenly nutrients can get in, so that might be why your hair is improved etc.

I have a theory about the hair thing. When I was raising my Synthroid (T4), I would get 3 days of feeling awesome, feeling like I should be feeling normally, you know with full clarity, etc. and my hair was thick and bright and dense, then, after 3 days, wham! I would get anxiety, depression, etc. I think that somehow T3 and T4 have an affinity with mercury and a dosage raise causes mercury to be taken out of the nervous system (I felt great) and the after a few hours to be redistributed (felt like crap). So I think that the first roud of DMSA took enough mercury out of the blood stream to cause me to better convert T4 to T3 (a lot of conversion takes place in the brain) and so my hair is now better receiving T4 and T3... But its quite a theory!!

I am getting ready to feel bad after the 2nd round because of the raise in DMSA dosage and of the adding of ALA. We'll see...

[color:"blue"] Round 2 [/color]

It went well. It went better than round 1 actually. Didn't get any diarrhea at the end of the round. I felt relaxed, energetic, motivated all 3 days, but especially so on the 2nd day. Much more muscular strenght althought I suspect this is coming from the ALA. After 3 days, I knew I had to stop because I was starting to feel fatigued and a little strung out. I am now 3 days after discontinuation and have had no side effects whatsoever, except maybe a slight headache on discontinuation. What's wonderful is that I can actually get some things done like cleaning the house and going out of the house without anxiety, my sleep is a lot better too. But the attention deficit is still there -- but I see some improvement there too -- I just know that on the brain side of things it's gonna take a while to get it all out.

I will keep the DMSA at 25 mg for the 3rd round but I will up the ALA from 12.5 to 25 mg.

Signing off.

I don't think you theory is accurate. I have seen from experience that the effects of thyroid supplementation lasts 3 days. During the 3 days after taking your thyroid supplement your hormone equilibrium is changed quite drastically, including that of your adrenal hormones.

I don't know what exactly is making you feel worse after those three days but it could be adrenal burnout from an excess of thyroid hormones. Taking thyroid hormones when you are adrenally fatigued can cause an aggravation of your adrenal symptoms. I know this from experience... I was trying to figure out what was wrong with me for years and decided to give some thyroid pills a shot. What ensued was the most horrifying experience of my life. I didn't even feel like I was dying, it was worse. You should exercise caution with thyroid supplementation if you have a feeling your adrenals are fatigued.

And as a last note mercury in the pituitary and/or hypothalamus causes the adrenals to function poorly.

-Good luck

[color:"blue"] Round 3 [/color]

Round 3 went well. No particular symptoms except fatigue at the end of the cycle, on the 3rd day. Didn't feel particularly energized either during the cycle, on the 2nd day, for example.

For Round 4, I will keep the DMSA at 25 mcg and up the ALA at 50 mcg and will keep it like that for the next 3 cycles at the very least, see how this goes.

As for my theories... they are just theories and I have no scientific proof whatsoever. Just sharing my thoughts. Probably the thyroid raise causes some sort of seratonergic/dopaminergic reaction or maybe its my adrenals but my adrenals are in top shape now that the thyroid is stabilized or at least thats what the blood tests show.

[color:"blue"] Round 4 [/color]

This round went well too. I had one day where I could concentrate more than usual. I was able to do a little bit of work on my research paper. At the end of the cycle I was very very fatigued and the next day also. This is the 2nd after stopping the cycle and I am fatigued. I have some short periods where I feel depressed during the day. But it did a lot of good. I would say that I feel much more better on the physical side of things. I feel even more relaxed than before, less anxious, on the whole I just feel better in my body. Some water retention seems to be fading away with each cycle.

I feel like a small part of my attention deficit is gone too.

I was and still am fatigued but I will up the DMSA at 50 mcg and keep the ALA at 50 mcg for the next round. However, I will wait 9 days before starting again, 4 days is not enough rest. I made a dream where my body was telling me that it needed more time to "repair". Basically I was in my apartment but the walls had holes in them and I needed to seek a repair man to fix the walls. As I woke up, I heard "my body" speaking and saying "I need more time to reconstruct and repair". However, from what I could understand in the dream and from my experience so far, it seems like my body appreciates DMSA a lot. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

That's great to hear! So nice to hear that you are seeing a difference! Dreams are powerful things and it sounds like you were getting some feedback in your dreamwoorld, excellent.

Enjoy your recovery.
-Colin

[color:"blue"] Round 5[/color]

I was on 50 mg DMSA and 50 mg ALA for this one. It was a more demanding round. I felt like my body wanted to stop after 2.5 days so I finished the round at 25/25. I felt great the first 2 days after the cycle but on day 3 and now on day 4 as I write this, I felt A LOT of fatigue and I was mildly to moderatly depressed. No suicidal thoughts but fairly down. Thus, I gave my body lots of rest. I slept. I take my supplements. Now, writing this, after a full afternoon nap, I feel better.

Overall, I saw a real breakthrough on this round. The kind of improvement I was waiting for to confirm that the whole thing was really working. I was able to focus to work on some of my assignments. A tiny little bit of motivation is back so I am really eager for the next round as I think it will bring back more motivation. Motivation is one thing you just can't do without in life.

I can also confirm that Vitamin C does indeed help alleviate the bad symptoms in between rounds.

Thanks for sharing this info, it's great! I've just started my first round of chelation, with 12.5mg of DMSA.

I personally think you've got nothing to lose by going down this route. You're right, there's growing speculation that symptoms like ADD and Aspergher's could sometimes be caused by mercury, often through vaccine exposure. Please continue to keep us updated on how you are doing.

Funny you should mention your hair curling again, because I've had that too, but it started months back before amalgam removal and chelation. My hair was curly when I was young, in my 20s it straightened out, and last year it got curly again. I'm sure it's due to diet and supplements, just not sure which one LOL. Could be a good marketing ploy -- "makes your hair curl!"

epistemologicus: do you think that if you had remained with your starting dose of 12.5 mg of dmsa and low dose ala that you may have avoided the detox side effects you are expierencing on your last round ? the reason I ask is that if my body one day lets me use dmsa and I startout with a low dose and remain with a low dose throughout the the whole detox process I might be able to avoid some of these problems ,i don't care how long it takes to get the mercury out as long as I feel halfway decent during the process ,what I have noticed from reading some of the posts in this forum and in general is that when most people start out on low dose dmsa they do pretty good untill they start to up the dose ,then they start to have problems

My hair was very curly until my early twenties when I got several amalgam fillings. The straitening of hair might be related to mercury's effect on sulfur.

[color:"red"] Reply to VeggieJuicer [/color] : yup, had nothing to loose... although the vaccines are certainly an important part of the equation, I believe that mothers with amalgams will give birth to autistic, aspergers, adhd or add children, hence the epidemic of those diseases.

I now believe that these diseases are just a continuum of problems caused by the mercury... they are all co-morbidities... my aspiness : I was clumsy, had a hard time keeping eye contact with people, not getting social cues, not understanding the hype about lots of things, phases of transitional asexuality (I had libido, but no sexual desire), was staying inside the house all the time, I had a hard time learning things... which brings me to the ADD part of it.... concentration problems, difficulty maintaining interest in a certain task, difficulty reading for more than 15 minutes without getting sleepy, NO MOTIVATION FOR ANYTHING, cycles of depression, FATIGUE, the list goes on and on. I had the symptoms of all these things combined : Asperger's + ADD + CFS + Fibromyalgia + Hypothyroid + Depression. Hello beautiful life huh?!!

Now, after only 5 rounds, I am able to concentrate, am much much less anxious than I was, NO MORE DEPRESSION (except for a short while after the end of the chelation cycle), I feel like my motivation is starting to come back, I feel physically so well I just can't describe how great it feels. I am able to get up in the morning and I do my tasks very rapidly, it doesn't take forever to get going. I started doing activities outside the house, it's absolutly wonderful. No more fatigue, no more boredom.

Basically, I need more chelation to get some more focus, and get the motivation back... I still have a slight attention deficit and the motivation is really not there yet. I'm not there yet, but I made some significant improvements in just 2 months.

[color:"red"]Reply to heavymetalme [/color] : start with a low dose of DMSA-only (no ALA) for the first 6 to 8 rounds, this way you can get some mercury out of the main body organs first, the brain is the later part of the process. Go only with a dose you can tolerate and give your body the time it needs to recover. Drink LOTS OF WATER, especially while chelating and also while off chelator. At a certain point, you will feel and you will know that you can tolerate more and attempt a dosage raise. Eat lots of veggies and fruits, it helps to detoxify.

I was gutsy to ramp up the dosage that fast to 50 mg of DMSA and ALA but I felt like it was necessary so as to get more mercury out, and I was confident that I could tolerate the aftermath. It was not pleasant, I had depression and a general feeling of overall ickyness with a weird fatigue but I felt like I needed a stronger dose to get things moving.

On the last Saint Friday, in the morning, I felt the presence of Jesus-Christ in my bedroom. I swear, it is true. I just knew it was Him. He touched me... I felt a warmth of energy on my liver. He told me that my liver was overloaded with toxins and that this should help me. A few days later, I was told in a very vivid dream, by my now diseased grandmother, that I had been mercury poisoned by the amalgams of my mother while she was pregnant. I got out of bed and knew I had to do something about it.

I thank the Lord for all the help I have received and I encourage you to meditate (to observe the Silence within) and to pray. I pray for your wellbeing and I will do my part to get the information out on this tragedy... mercury poisoning. Science without Faith is blind. And Faith has nothing to do with fundamentalist religiousness (which is just another form of materialism, really).

I should start the 6th cycle pretty soon. I will keep you posted. God bless you all.

I'm glad you are on your path to healing <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> This is great news. Please, keep us posted.

Linda.

Epistemologicus,
Even if a woman removes her amalgam before having children , her children will be affected by mercury since baby girls are born with all the eggs they will ever have and dental mercury gets into ovaries and eggs.
Incidentally, you are much cuter than Elvis.

I just wanted to add my two cents to the thyroid supplementation discussion part of this string.

After reading the info on www.stopthethyroidmadness.com website I decided that I needed additional adrenal and thyroid support. I followed the adrenal support suggested protocol which was to get up to 20 mgs of hydrocortisone in about 20 days. This really helped me.

Where I made the BIG mistake was after one month of HC support, I also decided to up the thyroid meds too fast. For anyone out there, it is VITAL that you get the adrenals supported BEFORE you add the thyroid support and I highly recommend Armour instead of Synthroid and Levoxyl, because Armour contains both T4 and T3, while the other two have to be supplemented with T3.

Anyway, I got up to 20 mgs of HC (I was already on 1 1/2 grains of Armour for the past year), then I upped my Armour by 1/4 grain each week, which didn't work because your adrenals cannot take additional thyroid supplementation if they too are already deficient. It may take a month or two before you can add the Armour, especially if you are chelating too. Your adrenals just cannot take it.

I ended up at 3 grains of Armour in just a little over 3 weeks and felt awful. Thankfully, they have a forum on that website too and coached me to back it down to 2 grains and then go VERY slowly. I am happy to say that after one week of backing it down, I am doing much better. I can keep you posted on my progress, but just wanted to forwarn anyone out there who needs both additional adrenals and the thyroid supplementation.

Cheers,
Gabriella

Another two cents on chelation...

When I initially started out on the Andy Cutler protocol, I was on 50 mgs DMPS and 25 ALA. I started feeling so good that I tried upping the DMPS to 100 mgs and the ALA to 50 mgs. NOT! I ended up with a white tongue, itching everywhere and severe depression. Of course, because I am darned determined to get well I had to up my hydrocortisone and amour meds and whala!----nosedive!

Lesson learned, do a little at a time. Do one thing and wait and see, then do another and wait and see and so on. Anyway, after a month and a half of doing it "my way", I am back to the right way, do a little at a time and see what your body can take. The thing I noticed the most is that if you do a little at a time you can pinpoint what's working. When I overdid it all sorts of things got out of whack and mentally I crashed and thought I was never going to get out of the spin I sent my body into.

Just a reminder, it's a marathon not a sprint. I say this for myself as well as anyone that's a newbie <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Gabriella

Glancina,

Before I knew how hypoadrenal I was, and I am quite, I tried some thyroid meds. My family has a lot of thyroid problems, it seemed likely I did too. I can't express with words the hell I went through until the thyroid meds wore off. I don't think death will be as bad as that was. You seemed to have a similar trial by fire, you are quite right to warn against premature dosage increase of thyroid meds. Yikes! Be careful about that people. Support your adrenals first!

-Colin

thanks glancina : you answered my question to this post , when I start dmsa hopefully in the near future I will be starting with a low dose and remain with that dose through the whole detox process thanks again

Dear Heavymetalme:

One thing I learned is not to feel pressured to increase my chelation drug doses just because I read a post where someone says they are doing great on 100 mgs of this or that. Well, I don't do well on anything except 50 mgs DMPS and 25 of ALA. Then I read a success story on Andy Cutler's forum for chelation and he did nothing but 30 mgs of DMSA and 25 mgs of ALA for the WHOLE time.

My point is, that is takes time and everybody's body is different. Some of us can take the high doses, some can't. Don't feel discouraged if low doses are all you can do AND function. The key word here is FUNCTION. I cannot, at this point function beyond the low doses. My new thought is "SO WHAT", it's like I got competitive with dosing. I guess it's my type A personality -- LOL...anyway, hope this helps someone out there.

Gabriella

glancina thanks again :a wise man once told me :a smart person learns from there own mistakes ,but a smarter person learns from other peoples mistakes, I'm just trying to be as smart as I can to get through this whole detox thing .

Amen to that... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I'm not the smarter man......

But I like to think that passing on my mistakes might aid others who are smarter and will learn from them.

[color:"blue"] Round 6 [/color]

This round was intense. I was on 50 DMSA and 50 ALA. I felt good during the chelation. I was very fatigued after. I slept like a baby the next 3 days. I felt like in my early teenage years when I was growing up. The muscle fatigue was intense. I felt like my brain was healing also. Small headache. Flu like symptoms for half a day. I had to sleep all day for 7 days after the chelation! I was depressed of course and on the sixth day of rest I had a major depressive episode where I started to get borderline suicidal thoughts but just a little bit. Nothing I couldn't handle, as I know that this is temporary and caused by the chelation and the fact that my body is healing. And it was temporary. It went out almost in a flash during the evening. And today I am ok with no depression whatsoever.

Now, 7 days after, I would say that I feel much better than before. I feel much more energy in my body, in my muscles. My memory is good. I had short term memory problems, but now it's back: I can remember where I put my keys, for example, and I can remember what it is or was that I want/wanted to do, my thoughts are more aligned, if you know what I mean. I seem to be more focused while typing on the computer. But I still have an attention deficit... It's still a little too hard to concentrate and start writing my university works. I'm still waiting for signs of any motivation and drive to do this kind of work. But a least I am functionnal on a day to day basis, with the ability to do the laundry, pick up my stuff and organize a little. It's still hard to get moving and get out of the house, but I do get out of the house more than before.

I had a sensibility to light and sun, but now I seem to enjoy light more and tolerate it much better. I know the thyroid meds helped that aspect too. I still have some stimming: stimming is an aspergers/add trait... you move your feet constantly or you have the habit of curling your hair constantly when you try to think hard. I have noticed however that it is less intense, as my anxiety level came down quite a bit, thanks to the chelation.

I am trying not to take any coffee, as it is a stimulant and I want to evaluate my capacities without it. I keep taking my supplements, that goes without saying.

I think 50 mg DMSA and 50 mg ALA is the maximum I can tolerate. It is quite demanding. I will do another cycle (7th round) on this dosage but not right away. I'll give myself another good 3 to 4 days rest. I have the feeling the next round will be even more demanding than this one was. I'll probably get back down to 25 mg for the 8th and 9th cycle, but we'll see. One cycle at a time...

How amazing it is to read this! I'm happy for you! Keep chelating! I think it would be helpful for you to think positively about your healing process. Picture yourself getting better and picture yourself completely healthy. Someone told me the body is a reflection of the spirit through the mind. When you think it, it happens. Just a thought.

-Colin

[color:"blue"] Round 7[/color]

Phew! That was something... Round 7 was a 50 mg DMSA + 50 mg ALA round. The dosage of DMSA was probably too much. I had major headaches during the chelation, and major anxiety attacks after. Vitamin C helped a lot but I had to take a lot of the stuff to tamper down the after-effects. I was very depressed for a few days. Lots of fatigue. Today, writing this, is my 12th day of rest after the cycle! It was completly exhausting... HOWEVER, it is important to note that I did some sport in these 12 days of recuperation. I was able to do a few bicycle runs. This, I believe, explains the exhaustion. I remember Andy cautionning about sport... Sport + mercury poisoning = not a good idea. Also, I did a pretty nice clean-up of the house. These are all very demanding activities and could very well explain the intense fatigue...
The 50 mg of DMSA was too demanding. I felt better when I was doing 25 DMSA and 50 ALA in 1:2 ratio.

I need more time to think and rest before I go on to the next cycle... God... it's really an exhausting process! I need at least another day to see how things evolve before starting back. If you have any thoughts, they are welcome. Thanks for your support.

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P.S.

1) During the cycle I had to gulp 2 to 3g of Vit. C for the intense anxiety episodes, but right now I am taking 500mg each 4 hours, this keeps the Vit. C levels more constant, since it has such a short half-life.

2) I made a symbolic dream after the round were my body told me it was reparing and another dream were he told me that I would be able to do some bicycle soon and "put some muscle back on", hence the reason why I did some after the cycle. And I must say Iwas able to get some rust off those muscles too! So you can see why this round was exhausting! Can't blame everything on the DMSA!

[color:"blue"] Pre-Round 8[/color]

I feel good. It took many days to see the improvements that round 7 brought. It took more than 15 days rest after the cycle. The dose was too strong. The attention deficit is starting to fade. Motivation is barely starting to show it's face. Great news, I am thrilled.

I wanted to let you guys know that Coenzyme Q10 and Omega 3 are two absolutly wonderful supplements. I really feel strongly that it is helping my body recover and repair. I take 120 mg of Q10 a day. Andy Cutler recommends it and he is again right on the button.

I'm starting Round 8 tomorrow.

How are you doing now with Andys protocol?

Feeling better? how many rounds did yo do?

I am not chelating right now. I stopped to handle adrenal and thyroid issues. I made the mistake of getting on hydrocortisone for adrenals and upping armour and running myself down during the summer months. Initially I felt great, however, now that's not the case. I am better than before, but cannot proceed with chelation until adrenals are stronger. BEWARE going slower is better, chelation is hard on the adrenals.

[color:"blue"] Round 8, at the end of august [/color]

This was a DMSA 25 mg only round. I felt so tired after round 7... I had a dream that indicated that the ALA moved the mercury from the brain to my body organs so I knew I had to to a DMSA clean up. It did some good alright.

On the attention deficit side of things, I can't say it brought any improvements. It's really the ALA that helps on the cognitive side of things. But I can see now that ALA cycles are harder and ask more of my body than DMSA-only cycles. This DMSA round mostly took muscle fatigue out (a lot).

[color:"blue"] Round 9, first week of september [/color]

This was a... ZEOLITE cycle! Yeah, surprise huh? I decided to go for it. I was able to do 6 drops 3 times a day for 3 days and I can tell you it's working. It felt similar to a DMSA/ALA cycle, some headache (feeling that things are moving/working in the head), some fatigue during the cycle, thirst, and some periods of clearheadedness.

I bought NCD Zeolite directly from Waiora. The reason is because I was starting to have a little dysbiosis in the gut with the DMSA/ALA... I will be alternating chelators from one cycle to the next to give my gut a break.

I have to agree with a previous post that chelation is probably hard on the adrenals... I did salivary testing after the 8th round in august and my cortisol is way out of the normal range, on the roof, and my DHEA is low normal. Is it caused by the chelation or is it my normal adrenal status... good question but it wouldn't suprise me if it was the chelation althought my 6 years of undiagnosed hypothyroidism probably burned my adrenals...

Anyway, I now know that I am moving into the territory of adrenal exhaustion and I will try to get my hands on some DHEA. It is Rx here in Canada (it's a Schedule 4 substance), unlike in the US (you lucky bast*rds! I heard your Congress wanted to move it from Schedule 3 to 4 soon, you might want to do something about it...). My endocrinologist prescribed me some Testosterone because the salivary test indicated hypogonadism. The T supplementation is helping a lot but it doesn't seem, at least for now, to do anything about the attention deficit/concentration/memory issues I am having. It is mostly giving me back strenght and muscle tone. We'll see how it goes.

So as you can see, I am fighting a war on many fronts. Cutler writes that DHEA can be a supplement of choice in his book, he says people using it seem to fare better chelation wise. This would seem to support the chealtion-adrenal relation. I'll see if it does any good and l'ill keep you folks posted.

Take care and it's great to read you here and in other posts as well.

[color:"blue"] Round 10, mid-september -- PART 1[/color]

Another Zeolite cycle has started. I am trying again 6 drops 3x/day for 3 to 4 days. I am in the first day right now. I am using Gingko Biloba has a mild stimulant. It works alright. It gives me more presence of mind, more vigilance, more focus but NO MOTIVATION to work on my studies. Gingko is mostly bioflavonoids and this group of substance is food for the adrenals, and Gingko dilates the blood vessels in the body, extremities and in the brain. I am using a 500mg/day dose. It is recommended to take 250mg/day but the Jamieson brand I bought is a 2000mg pill and they say to take it 3x/day!!! Can you imagine?! Anyway, I cut the thing in 4, but can't cut it any smaller... so 500 mg it is. I am also now using a B complex (B50 1x/day) it also helps support the adrenals. Still don't have that DHEA script yet. I am taking Vitamin B1 supplements now and boy-o-boy did it do some good for the anxiety and it also took away an edge to that low grade asthenia (fatigue) I had.

Generally speaking I feel good, but the motivation problem is really starting to annoy me. I have a deadline for my Master's thesis and time is passing by -- but chelation is such a loooong process. Arggh! I'm really hoping that the DHEA supplement is going to help on the motivational side of things or else, chelation or not... it's gonna require something stronger... like a pharmaceutical class stimulant... at least for a few weeks just to help me get things done... but that is a last resort/option scenario for me... I'm not too fond of that option, needless to say...

I'll give you more info after the cycle. Take care !

if you are on testosterone replacement therapy , then taking dhea is probably not be a good idea ,because if taken alone dhea will raise testosterone levels on it own , but if taken with t supplimentation who knows what problem you may encounter ,I would use one or the other ,with that said, then with either one that you choose ,you should be taking an anti estrogen suppliment as both t suplimentation and dhea increases estrogen and dht very easily ,50 mg of zinc daily is a very good and inexpensive anti-estrogen and saw palmetto is very good at keeping dht in check ,high dht levels can cause prostate problems along with hair loss

You may find some help for the lack of motivation from large doses of B12. According to some swedish researcher, mercury disturbs B12 usage in brains, so that your blood levels doesn't really tell much about the situation in the brains. Therefore looking at some blood values of B12 will not tell if you benefit from taking B12. It also repairs damaged myelin sheaths of neurons.
I only had access to cyanocobalamin which is inferior to methylcobalamin, but it worked for me, and too well perhaps. I got my motivation and a better mood back temporarily, but some unpleasant heart problems as well.
I suppose B12 will liberate lots of mercury, but I cannot tell about methylmercury conversion, some say methylmercury does not cause heart problems, while some others say that I can. I still got the impression that only elemental/inorganic mercury causes heart problems. Andrew Cutler says that methylation of mercury happens in body when taking B12, but not in a significant amount.
Having said that, B12 in doses of 1-2 mg, might work for you as a temporary solution, if you happen to be responsive to B12.

On a second thought, perhaps it's wise to leave B12 alone, as it may massively deplete your adrenal glands. I cant think of anything else than adrenalin caused me chest pain + high blood pressure. The things we are suffering from here is most likely a mixture of candida brain fog + adrenal insufficiency brain fog.

I won't touch B12 just yet. As for the high cortisol... it could be caused by the chelation process. It could be an anti-inflamatory response from my body to the free radicals liberated and moving around by ALA and DMSA... Or it's plain adrenal fatigue that didn't show up in blood tests and that is now showing up in salivary tests...

I'm investigating the matter.

we haven't heard from you in a while ,would like to know how you are doing on your chelation and what improvments have you experienced ?