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HELP! Slipping into depression/anxiety after 18 rounds of DMSA
#26329
10/12/07 07:41 PM
10/12/07 07:41 PM
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Hi all, I have been detoxing for 5 months. Started Dmsa 4 1/2 months ago. Beginning with 25 mgs. After 3 mo's I added ALA. Slowing increased Dmsa as I was able to handle it. Im at 75 mgs plus ALA. Also I have been VERY SLOWLY going off my anti-depressant (celexa). The last decrease was about 3 weeks ago. Im off 57% now. I was doing OK. Ihave been sticking to no sugar, no white flour, no yeast, no caffeine and have been since the get go. Sudenly about 2 weeks ago I started noticing I was waking up at 4:00 am to go pee and having terrible difficulty going back to sleep. My thoughts would race, couldn't turn it off, my heart rate was up and have been experiencing a low to moderate grade of anxiety all day long. Can't fall asleep without CalMg supplement and /or melatonin. The anxiety is really bothering me. Even when I wasn't on antidepressants I never had this kind of anxiety. I've been on SSRI's for 16 yrs and have attempted getting off at least 10 times only to fall in a deep pit. But thats before I knew I was merc poisoned and had candida. Im really wondering if I am peri menopausal and if thats whats causing the anxiety. Ill be 44 next month. I am getting night sweats once or twice a week. Periods are getting unpredictable (Been regular for 30 yeras). And also extreme sensitivity to temperature. Like I get cold real easy and hot real easy. Im OK as long as the temperature is between 71 and 72 degrees. (The supplements I have been taking are as follows but they have been consistent with my whole program. Not changing anything. Vitc 1000 3x day Chlorella 2 1/2 gms day Vit E 1x day (400iu) Flax oil 1000 mgs 1x day Algin 2 caps w/ each meal ( 3x day)
And other than my regular multi and probiotic thats it. Everything has remained the same. DMSA is every 3 1/2 -4 hrs for 3 1/2 days including waking up at night to take. I wonder if my body is getting used to getting up at 3 am. The feeling is awful. I feel like Im on Ma Huang or something. I cannot relax. Does anybody have any suggestions or insight. My goal is to be medication free but Im not going any lower at this point. The depressive thoughts are sliding in and its awful. Thanks for any help! Diane P.S. Im on my 18 th round of DMSA.
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Re: HELP! Slipping into depression/anxiety after 18 rounds of DMSA
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10/12/07 08:42 PM
10/12/07 08:42 PM
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when did you have your fillings removed?
Stop the chlorella. It stirs up mercury.
I can understand that you want to be AD free but mercury detox can take years and many people will feel worse for 12 months. I think you will need to be detoxed to get off the celexa.
Once again: Be patient and stop the chlorella. It's not part of cutlers protocol and can be harmful with ALA.
Last edited by bg123; 10/12/07 08:48 PM.
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Re: HELP! Slipping into depression/anxiety after 18 rounds of DMSA
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10/12/07 09:01 PM
10/12/07 09:01 PM
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Cod liver oil or fish oil, make sure it's safe and tested free of mercury and PCB's. Protects your brain cells.
B vitamins also helpful for depression or low moody days.
I've noticed a lot of people using lots of DMSA mention anxiety. Maybe there is a connection. I use it too but only once or twice a week, never more than two doses 50-75 mgs) in a row, rarely more than twice per week, just one dose now and then, when and if I hear the sound of mercury/heavy metal rushing through my head. The heavy whirring sound...
Cilantro, basil and garlic pesto never made me moody, quite the opposite but not sure that's for you at this point.
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Re: HELP! Slipping into depression/anxiety after 18 rounds of DMSA
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10/13/07 02:22 AM
10/13/07 02:22 AM
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Diane hon, it sounds like you are taking the Celexa withdrawal too quickly. The symptoms you are experiencing are very likely due to that. My advice to you is to go back up to a dosage where you are no longer suffering like this; the relief should be almost instantaneous. Then give your body some time to stabilise. When you are again ready to make reductions, do 5 or 10% of the previous dose at a time, waiting at least 2 weeks between reductions until your body stabilises again.
NB I came off Celexa very quickly a year and a half ago and weathered the withdrawal. However, I have been left with lingering problems that have been severe enough to make it difficult for me to work. The gradual approach really is worth it, and you'll be good at that anyway because of the mercury chelation you've been doing -- slow and steady, yes?
Take care. Linda.
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Re: HELP! Slipping into depression/anxiety after 18 rounds of DMSA
#26342
10/14/07 01:08 PM
10/14/07 01:08 PM
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large amounts of B12 can make you hyper, it happened to me, i think it was T4 converting to T3 more efficiently, and it can give you proper hyperthyroid symptoms. 100mg wouldnt touch you if you are low, more like 500-1000mg sublingualy might do it, or injections. Diane, your symptoms are all in the Andy cutler book,its your hormones being messed up,adrenal/thyroid, i think nicola mentioned this. im suffering with this at he moment,im on support but i had to cut down on thyroid treatment, so now all my hormones are all over the place. Dawn.
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Re: HELP! Slipping into depression/anxiety after 18 rounds of DMSA
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10/15/07 02:30 PM
10/15/07 02:30 PM
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Dear Diane
In your post you mentioned taking Algin 2 caps w/meals x 3 per day. Do you mean you take Algin WITH your meals? My understanding is Algin should be taken on its own on an empty stomach with some water (1-2 glasses). That is take it between meals . This is to avoid affecting your absorption of nutrients & supplements you are taking. Possibly you are not getting the full benefit of your good supplements and healthy diet if you are taking Algin this way?
Here's a quote from an earlier post by Laura
"As far as adding Algin to Cutler's detox protocol, or any others for that matter, you would want to take Algin about 1 hour away from the time you take any other supplements or detox products. The reason for this is that because Algin is very absorptive, you don't want to take it at the same time as other supplements and run the risk of decreasing their effectiveness.
I typically take Algin at night before bed, first thing in the morning when I get up, and if needed, in the middle of the day in between meals (which is when I take most of my supplements).
However, if you know you're going to be eating something that either might contain mercury or promote the chelation of mercury (such as cilantro), then you could take Algin with this food, to help reduce any mercury-induced side effects. For example, once in a great while I will have a small amount of salmon. If I take Algin before and after eating the salmon, I'll experience little to no mercury-induced symptoms afterwards. However, if I don't take Algin, then I'll experience anywhere from mild-to-moderate symptoms for the next 24 to 48 hours or so".
Last edited by LethalLee; 10/15/07 02:54 PM.
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Re: HELP! Slipping into depression/anxiety after 18 rounds of DMSA
#26344
10/16/07 11:23 AM
10/16/07 11:23 AM
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Dawn, I think you're right about this with B12 and hyperthyroid symptoms. However, its extremely difficult to get any proof for it, as it doesn't show in blood tests (not for me at least) and I haven't seen anybody mentioning these symptoms with B12. The figures you mentioned are micrograms, not milligrams. Therefore, be cautious at least with B12, don't use too much of it, it can mess up your thyroid for some days. I think this brain fog is caused by thyroid & adrenal problems, not only the adrenals. It's not helpful to say its caused by mercury or candida, one has to know it precisely in order to be able to address the problem. That said, I believe everyone who has a real mercury poisoning has some problems with the thyroid even if it appears normal. I see it so that it tries to readjust itself according to the current situation, any wins with chelation leaves it in a state that needs it to be redjusted, and you need to wait for it to readjust, before you continue to chelate. This advice goes only to those who hasn't got a major problem with thyroid that shows up in a blood test, I dont know about the rest.
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Re: HELP! Slipping into depression/anxiety after 18 rounds of DMSA
#26345
10/16/07 11:18 PM
10/16/07 11:18 PM
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That said, I believe everyone who has a real mercury poisoning has some problems with the thyroid even if it appears normal. I see it so that it tries to readjust itself according to the current situation, any wins with chelation leaves it in a state that needs it to be redjusted, and you need to wait for it to readjust, before you continue to chelate. This advice goes only to those who hasn't got a major problem with thyroid that shows up in a blood test, I dont know about the rest. This is very true, my thyroid always tested at the bottom of the "normal" range, but since I have been on Gerson, and using the iodine, my thyroid numbers have tripled and I am so much warmer, more energy and my mercury is not showing anymore, but aluminum is. I guess the metals do settle in layers. Sandi xoxo
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Re: HELP! Slipping into depression/anxiety after 18 rounds of DMSA
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10/24/07 10:26 PM
10/24/07 10:26 PM
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Hi and Thanks for all of your responses and help. About the algin, yes I do take it right before I eat with tons of othr supllements. Nice insight , I would have never thought.
Abiut the anxiety I was eperiencing, I found out it was the Flax Oil that was making me so anxious. I was reading in "mood cure" on supplemntaltion that said, "a word on flax oil, if you find yourself waking up at 4 am and cannot go back to sleep you may have to reduce or cut out the flax oil. Well, this was it! Thanks everyone! Diane
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