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teeth removal #26911
11/03/07 12:18 AM
11/03/07 12:18 AM
melissa  Offline OP
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Has anyone had there teeth pulled to get rid of the amagalms?If so did you get mouth sores after a month on the roof of your mouth or where the teeth are gone?The sores are hard bumps but if you push on them they pop and bleed with clear liquid not pus.weird huh?

Re: teeth removal #26912
11/03/07 10:20 PM
11/03/07 10:20 PM
skieslimit  Offline
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Hello
I had 4 pulled and I did get a few rough spots and some little blisters but I just kept rinsing with my natural rinse and they went away. Its been 7 months and I still have a couple of rough spots. They are starting to deminish slowly. I thought it was because I have periodontal disease. Maybe it is just another mercury thing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ithitsthefan.gif" alt="" />


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Re: teeth removal #26913
11/04/07 12:35 AM
11/04/07 12:35 AM
melissa  Offline OP
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Hi skieslimit
My mouth is so sore since that bump or what ever it is busted it was weird 'cuz it was a hard knot and i kept hitting my tongue on it so i felt with my finger and blood just started gushing, first that it was an abcess but there was no pus.Im calling my dentist on monday.What rinse?I ve start salt water but my mouth is tasting icky.

Re: teeth removal #26914
11/04/07 05:32 AM
11/04/07 05:32 AM
Sunshine P  Offline
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Have you tried Oil Pulling yet? That should really help.


"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident."

Sunshine
Re: teeth removal #26915
11/04/07 01:06 PM
11/04/07 01:06 PM
skieslimit  Offline
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Hi Melissa
I use tooth and gum tonic by dental herb company. My dentist carries it as well as the toothpaste too. I have been using this for 6 years. Any time I have a little flare up with my gums I use it 4 or 5 times a day and really clears it up quick. The toothpaste has no foaming agent and takes a bit to get used to but once you do you will never go back. I have tried other toothpastes and the foam makes me gag now. Go figure!!! It has a nice fresh taste also. I have not had any cavities the whole time I have been using this rinse.
I also do the oil pulling ....just started 3 weeks ago and already seeing good effects on my gums and makes me feel so much better in the mornings. Mornings are really bad for me and oil pull helps me and gives me energy. Also my teeth are really pretty and shiny. I was hoping this would also cut back on my teeth cleanings...I have to go every 3 months and it always makes me sick for a few days. I don't know if it is because he is stirring up the bacteria or the light I am under or maybe he is removing some one else's fillings....whatever the cause I would rather go just twice a year!!!! Try the oil pulling it's great!!!! Here are some links to dental herb company and oil pulling,give it a look.
http://www.dentalherbcompany.com/ http://www.oilpulling.com/ http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/oil_pulling.html <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/girlflower.gif" alt="" /> Hope this helps!!! You can find more sites on the oil pulling if you google it and there is a thread on this forum on oil pulling.
Take Care.
Rachel


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Re: teeth removal #26916
11/04/07 08:53 PM
11/04/07 08:53 PM
SoSick  Offline
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Lost on a mountain USA ***
Ooh that sounds rough and ugly. Clear pus is still puss, white blood cells, fluid.

I have had two teeth pulled the normal rock and roll and yank way (except for wisdom teeth that were removed years ago) recently, and I had two others, rear molars, extracted by a dentist that actually slices the tooth carefully and then gently lifts it out. I much prefer the cut and lift method, completely painless and no swelling after.

Sound like you have an abcess in there. the dentist is suppose to remove the peridontal ligament when he extracts a tooth, sounds like yours did not. Always remind a new dentist to scrape the ligament out. They are all suppose to do it but from what i can tell, only some do, and abcess and long standing jaw infections can be the result.

You are suppose to rinse with a heavy duty salt water mix for several days after having a tooth extracted, I hope you did that. What I also did was take a cotton swab, like you would clean your ears with, dip it into some hydrogen peroxide, and rub it on the area about 2-3 days after extraction to kill bacteria and lessen the chances of infection.

I haven't had any problems after my extractions, and never experienced anything like you describe. No rough spots, no bumps, no pain, no fluid. The last extraction was mid-summer. probably mid-July or so. Takes about a week to heal is all when everything goes well.

Grapefruit seed extract also seems to work well as an anti-bacterial mouth rinse. And if all comes to all, strong vodka is a good last resort.

Re: teeth removal #26917
11/04/07 11:46 PM
11/04/07 11:46 PM
melissa  Offline OP
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Hi SoSick
I used salt water for days after removal.Seemed like I was healing well ,its been a month since i had any removed.but I noticed these bumps about 4 days ago and then boom one gushed alot of blood.I have 4 more molars and 1 more wisdom to get pulled.I hope some time this mounth <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />Then I will be amalgma free.All my teeth thats been pulled has been my molars and 1 wisdom my dentist im calling tommorrow and ill ask if he removed the ligament.
I would swish with vodka but I get meaner with vodka <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />LOL maybe some jim beam that makes me nice <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />lol
Oh the good old days.......I quit drinking about 4 yrs ago.

Re: teeth removal #26918
11/05/07 02:14 AM
11/05/07 02:14 AM
SoSick  Offline
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Jim Beam will work. You don't have to swallow it.

He definitely did not remove the ligament. If he tries to charge you extra to clean the thing out... well if it were me I would go in and let him clean it out, write a check with a smile on my face say thank you the whole bit, then stop payment on the check as soon as I got home.

No reason you should suffer for his mistakes and then have to pay him extra too. But don't say that to his face. You can tell him later when he tries to bill you.

Find a differnt dentist to do the rest. get them cut out, you'll be a lot happier.

Re: teeth removal #26919
11/05/07 05:19 AM
11/05/07 05:19 AM
dawn  Offline
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i got four of my 6 mercury teeth removed,(pulled) now i have only 2 molars with white filings.
i got alot of trouble after, they wernt healing, so i had most of them cleaned out by a proper dentist, it cost me a fortune. i still have one, where there is a rough bit, and theres pain every now and then and it can give me severe migraines, usually every couple of weeks. it needs seeing to, one day il get it done but funds are really tight.
dawn x

Re: teeth removal #26920
11/05/07 12:21 PM
11/05/07 12:21 PM
SoSick  Offline
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Lost on a mountain USA ***
Why don't you call the dentist that pulled the tooth originally and complain?

Re: teeth removal #26921
11/05/07 12:30 PM
11/05/07 12:30 PM
Sandi Flood  Offline
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I would definitely do the oil pulling, it really pulls out the toxins, just be sure to brush and rinse well afterwards, and soak your toothbrush in H202 or GSE.

Keep your mouth fastidiously clean, gargle with GSE or food grade H202, diluted of course and maybe rinse and spit some chlorella tablets dissolved in water, to absorb any mercury that may be in there.

best luck and feel better soon <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/pooh.jpg" alt="" />,
Sandi
xoxo

Re: teeth removal #26922
11/05/07 12:33 PM
11/05/07 12:33 PM
SoSick  Offline
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Lost on a mountain USA ***
She still has amalgams in there. gargeling with H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) while you still have amalgams is a big no no. I made that mistake once, suffered major major foghead all week.

If you use peroxide at all on the extraction site, place it very carefully with a q-tip. That worked well for me.

Re: teeth removal #26923
11/05/07 06:22 PM
11/05/07 06:22 PM
melissa  Offline OP
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Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 54
florida *****
I talked with my dentist and he said that he did clean out the ligiment but for me to rinse with salt and if I get a fever he'll write me a script for antibiotics.I asked for an appointment to get checked and to have the last 4 and a wisdom tooth removed and he said i need to wait still for the removal and he doesnt think an apptment is nessacery at this point i said my mouth hurts he said its the tmj i said no its the hard lumps thats oozing stuff he said oh so what exactley are you calling for?I said i guess nothing and hung up.Not the sweet kind man I saw when i was giving him $$$$ because he doesnt accept insurance and who was supposed to tell me how to detox.I thank god I found this forum and all you good people.Man what a day,,,,I know have to find a dentist and start all this process over <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />But thanks for the advice and I hope your day is going good. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dancefiction.gif" alt="" />

Re: teeth removal #26924
11/05/07 06:58 PM
11/05/07 06:58 PM
Sunshine P  Offline
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Joined: Jul 2007
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London, UK *****
What a <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/censored.gif" alt="" /> that dentist is.

So what’s it gonna be ? Jim beam, Volka, hydrogen peroxide, or Oil pulling

i vote for oil pulling.


"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident."

Sunshine
Re: teeth removal #26925
11/05/07 07:21 PM
11/05/07 07:21 PM
melissa  Offline OP
Senior Member
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 54
florida *****
LOL thanks i needed a laugh!!!
I opt also for the oil pulling.I need to read up maybe try it tommorrow after researching what to use,how much,if its okay to do with the"mercury in my mouth. Are you feeling better?

Re: teeth removal #26926
11/05/07 07:32 PM
11/05/07 07:32 PM
SoSick  Offline
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Betcha he's lying to you. I don't see how it could possibly heal over, all be ok for a full 3-4 weeks and then suddenly flare-up unless he left the ligament in there or who knows what else. You didn't have an abcess there before and now you do right? No brainer in my opinion. You called him on it and he is playing defense now.

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/censored.gif" alt="" /> dentists no kidding, 95% of them.

you better call a couple more dentists, describe it to them and at least get other opinions. If it gets badly infected, well jaw infection can become brain infection and will take weeks to get over. you don't need antobiotics as much as you need the area cleaned out properly. I am amazed he wouldn't do it for you. very conscientious of him. But typical of liars I guess. He'd be admitting his mistake if he did.

I'd go straight for the hydrogen peroxide. instantaneous results, on the outside anyway. No swishing bacteria ridden in my puss around in my mouth thanks. Just kill it.


Re: teeth removal #26927
11/05/07 07:46 PM
11/05/07 07:46 PM
melissa  Offline OP
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florida *****
SoSick I Took your advise with the q-tips and hydrogen peroxide its foaming so I guess its killing the little germs.I'll do this for a few days and see what happens.
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thanks.gif" alt="" />


Re: teeth removal #26928
11/05/07 08:03 PM
11/05/07 08:03 PM
SoSick  Offline
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It may help for the short term but the infection is inside the jaw cavity. You really do need to call 3-5 dentists in the morning, desribe it to them, tell them you have a couple more teeth that need extracting, find one that will do the cut and lift method (oral surgery removal method, they cut the tooth in half and then lifet it out in halves) and he can cut into that area at the same time and fully scrape it clean. I'd get it done asap.

Then be sure to tell everyone you know about your experience with other dentist. Word travels quickly about doctors/dentists.

'I got the worst infection after having work done by that dentist..'

It's his reward for caring so much about you.

Re: teeth removal #26929
11/05/07 08:41 PM
11/05/07 08:41 PM
melissa  Offline OP
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Sosick thanks I will call some in the a.m the only problem is none of these dentist around here belive in mercury poisoning and theres 2 dentist that are 1 1/2 to two hours away so I ve been trying to look up some in differant citys here in florida. I live just about 100 miles south from georgia in the first city into florida so i'm looking at both states.
Unfortunatly he's retiring in january.The bad part is he told me well start detoxing after removal.I dont understand what his problem was today I never call except for appt. nothing else.I never called complaining or cancelled any appt.He cancelled me last time because i wasnt feeling good.Like this first started ,its ending up a nightmare again.I guess just chalk it up to another trial and learning to lean on god to put the right person in my path.

Re: teeth removal #26930
11/05/07 09:34 PM
11/05/07 09:34 PM
Sandi Flood  Offline
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So sorry, I better wake up!!!

Sandi
xoxo

Re: teeth removal #26931
11/05/07 11:47 PM
11/05/07 11:47 PM
Bex  Offline
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I sympathise with you about this. Everytime I would get in touch with a dentist (not all but many), I would feel like I was walking on broken glass, as just about anything I enquired about or said seemed irritating to them.

There have been a few who have been ok and dont seem to have the big egos, but others are not easy to deal with and you have to wonder where the ego comes from considering they deal in..... "teeth"....

People like us annoy them because we ask questions OR we have had things go wrong and they dont' like that because it makes them look incompetent, so therefore they'll find a way of making you feel bad for even mentioning it.

I never used to be this cynical, but I HATE dealing with them and avoid it whenever possible. But you do meet ones that are genuine, kind, thoughtful and listen to your ills and they relaly do try and cater to your needs, but they are few and far between in my experience.

I find the best way to start is by emailing different dentists in your area and whether or not they answer your questions and are willing to try and help you. You can easily wipe the ones that dont or keep trying to sucker you into an appointment and won't answer even simple questions on email. Watch out for them.


Re: teeth removal #26932
11/05/07 11:55 PM
11/05/07 11:55 PM
SoSick  Offline
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The dentist that did my cut and lift extractions doesn't discuss mercury problems very much either.

but I didn't go to him for amalgam replacement, I went to him for extractions. And he did a perfect job with that. He was real meticulous, wore these little telescope glasses, a real geek, i like him, an old guy, my age plus a few years. heh.

The dental assistant was real nice too there. she discussed my mercury concerns because they had to cut the filling slightly to lift the tooth... she gave me one of their face masks to cover my nose with and I basically held my breath the rest of the way...

no problems afterward at all. i think I did take some DMSA that day and the few days after. i did not use antibiotics after or painkillers.

painkillers slow your kidneys down a lot, do not take any offers of pain killers if you have a mercury problem.

Actually, that's not correct, I forgot, I'm sorry.. he does do amalgam replacement the dental assistant showed me hers that he did. But he's just a regular dentists, no hal huggins protocol nothing like that, just real good hands and real careful... an ace with that high speed dremel drill. the guy never spilled a drop of anything and moved very quickly.

Get an older dentist with a good reputation, is my best advice. they've seen it all and are less likely to lie to make a few bucks. Their mortgages are already paid.

If you're in Jacksonville, there is a dentist in Tampa or clearwater that does amalgam replacemnt, the guy that Russ went to. You can courtyard inn it a night.

But you don't need an amalgam removal pro guy to do extractions.

Last edited by SoSick; 11/06/07 12:13 AM.
Re: teeth removal #26933
11/06/07 12:29 AM
11/06/07 12:29 AM
melissa  Offline OP
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SoSick
your only 21 I thought?lol I will find someone to take them out or i'll do it the old fashion way with a string and the door.
No I tried the painkiller route for a few months and found myself addicted .Did nothing but mess me up.My old doc had me on Valium 10mg,Vicodin 750mg,Motrin 800mg 4x a day then asked if I wanted oxycotin for the nerve pain thats when they where convinced that i had M.S. So nope no meds or drinks for me anymore.Just alot of water(bottled),cranberry juice and a vitamin.
Jacksonville is about 45min from me.I'm in lake city Fl I moved from Michigan about 6 mos ago.Clearwater is 2-3 hrs away guess i could spend the night on the beach.Hmmm maybe i'm supposed to take a mini-vacation.Thanks for getting those wheels a turning.LOL

Re: teeth removal #26934
11/06/07 12:44 AM
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SoSick  Offline
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47 soon to be 48 actually.

I wouldn't drive all the way to clearwater for extractions but that is where russ's dentist is located.

Do not under any circumstances pull your own teeth. It really has to be done right.

Just call around and find a normal dentist that does extractions the cut and lift oral surgery way. you'll be quite happy, ther must be one near Lake city.

nice area, been there a few times. used to live in florida myself. Kind of hot in the summer. i missed the seasons and had too many family members nearby and they would barge right into my house at all hours it was nerve wracking.. .if I didn;t answer the door because i was working they would stand outside and yell... so i moved. I had a huge grapefruit tree that I really miss from there though. I wonder how my tangerines are doing. then i put all these gardenias along the border of the yard... gosh.. the gardenias how I love that smell of gardenia. i should get a potted one. i saved some grapefruit seeds and am going to plant them <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> some pomegranates too. it'll be like little Florida inside my house in the winter.. sort of like little cuba but without the toasted ham sandwiches.

Re: teeth removal #26935
11/06/07 01:10 AM
11/06/07 01:10 AM
melissa  Offline OP
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I dont think I could do the string thing but on a serious note I will call around and find the cut and lift procedure.
I am going through the whole family drama of them coming over ALL the time.But for the most part I like florida.I think its going to be weird no snow for x-mas.I lived in Michigan for 35 yrs its kinda differant down south then the north.But its neat i have roses blooming and my lilacs are still smelling good.What mountain are you on? I never wanted to come south but when I got saved god healed alot between my family and I so i sometimes think that god let me get sick in order to mend the fence with my mom and sisters and have me move here.So i guess i just have to sit back and see whats next on his plan for me.
I bought two pomegranates today I never had them before they are YUMMY!!!!

Re: teeth removal #26936
11/06/07 02:03 AM
11/06/07 02:03 AM
SoSick  Offline
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You ever spent the night on a beach?

I don't recommend it. the sand fleas are cumbersome. Very itchy in the morning. Very itchy all week, perhaps a full 10 days, not worth it.

Yeah I was young once heh. Learned some hard to forget lessons.

You know how to catch a shark? You get a long rope, a rope, not fishing line. You tie a big hook on the end if it, a BIG hook, and you put a whole chicken on there, tie it on good and tight. skanky day old in the heat chicken is great. In the evening, you let the rope out as far as it will go, has to be long rope really, a couple hundred feet. That nylon stuff would be ok and is lighter. Get a medium dark color, medium green would be best.

Nice fun night on the beach. take a couple friends you might catch a big one and will need help to haul it in. take a lantern I'm not sure they allow campfires on the beaches anymore. wear long pants and long sleeves and keep them on or you'll be too itchy to haul the shark in.. do not get any funny ideas about swimming in the water at night with a skanky chicken attracting all the bait and carnivore fish for miles or you may be telling us about more than a few missing teeth.

Re: teeth removal #26937
11/06/07 05:12 PM
11/06/07 05:12 PM
melissa  Offline OP
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LOL.Good news found a dentist that will remove the last few
chompers and take alook at my mouth tommorrow and give me my partial :dancefiction No I dont like to fish for shark I dont mind fishing as long as I dont have to bait,take the fish off or eat the fish.LOL Aww your still young ,47 is young but just a little wiser.
Never actully stayed the whole night on the beach just the day after 5 I dont go in the water.I dont go past my waist here.Now in michigan swam all the time in freash water didnt have to worry about gators there either hmm good thing i got a pool.
Mouth is feeling better ive been using the q-tip and peroxide taste icky but its not foamy anymore so i guess that its killing the germs.

Re: teeth removal #26938
11/07/07 09:38 AM
11/07/07 09:38 AM
SoSick  Offline
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A lot wiser...

Yeah, a night on the beach is rather unpleasant. i've only done it once, never again! But it's one of those have to the experience things. Too many bugs to bother. Kind of scary too, never know what'll creep up in the dark, racoons, armadillos, snakes, rats etc. Florida is swarming with rats. Never touch an armadillo dead or alive. that's really important to know when you live in FL, they carry some nasty diseases. Caught a few sharks in FL, mostly little ones, nothing over 4 feet. Never ate shark though. I'm more into stuffed flounder. I have some in the freezer i was afraid to eat it, i should pull it out and see if I do ok... one time I stepped onto this huge mound of fire ants unawares and within 15 seconds there was hundreds, maybe a couple thousand of them up to my knee. Painful. But there's something in their toxic bites that actually kills a lot of parasites and stuff too did you know that?

I hope they are going to cut those teeth and remove them gently!

Well, you'll find out if the other dentist is a ligament liar or not soon too. that'll be fun. I am willing to wager my one star that he lied to you.

Did you have the big meet Jesus experience when you got saved?




Re: teeth removal #26939
11/07/07 02:43 PM
11/07/07 02:43 PM
melissa  Offline OP
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My grandfather was a preacher he is now retired.I knew of jesus but didnt want to know him.I was going through a terrible,abusive divorce and drinking alot on the week ends at the bar when my kids wernt home.Then my uncle thats 2 yrs older than me called and asked me to hang out with him and his wife on a friday night instead of going to the bar so i went over to there house and they invited me to church on sunday I said okay but thinking yeah right but sunday morning came around and I got up and went to church.I felt so good and then I went on wed. nights then I was getting convicted bad so than I stopped going to the bars and quit drinking start bowling and doing normal fun stuff.I still didnt give in I was stubborn and I was going through so much with my divorce and I was single for a year so I had a bad spirit but then I had went to my grandparents one day they are like my mom and dad because I hated my mother for 15 yrs.Anyways I was sitting there talking and they said my uncle told them i been going to church I started crying and they asked what was wrong and I said only god can save me and set me free they said do you want to pray?I got up and kneeled down at there coffee table and was trembling and prayed and the most awesome warm feeling came over me and it felt like a huge weight was lifted off me all the hurt was gone.I cant even begin to describe it.My new life began on March 4th 2003 and god has been more than good to me.I forgave my mother which was the hardest thing for me and now we have a beutiful relationship and I even forgave my ex who was a crack addict and a very abusive man now I just pray for him that god release him for his addiction and that he finds god.I dont know if he has or not because i dont talk to him its been 5 yrs.but who knows.I have 2 kids 15 and 18 and I hope that the seed i've been sowing in them starts growing soon.But yeah GOD is awesome.............
I hope they are gentle because the last one cranked so hard that my face was black and blue for a week and i took arnica.

Re: teeth removal #26940
11/09/07 01:00 AM
11/09/07 01:00 AM
melissa  Offline OP
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Posts: 54
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SoSick
A bet was a bet and I added a star.You where right on the money!!!!!!! THANK YOU SO SO MUCH!!!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/twothumbsup.gif" alt="" />
buy the way its cold here in FL good thing I didnt go for that night with the sand fleas.LOL


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