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More toxic after visit to dental office...
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11/23/07 09:48 PM
11/23/07 09:48 PM
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Hi, thought I better bring this up. I know I am not the only one that experiences this. I have noticed that in recent years, as my immunity has been up the creek due to a virus, my tolerance of mercury has become almost zero. Even to relatively small doses.
I noticed that since the virus, that after I had been to a dental office, I would experience symptoms of mercury toxicity, even though I may only have been in the office for a "consultation" and no actual dental work. I had no amalgams either, I was in only for check up, or replacement of an older composite with a new one etc.
Just recently, I went into get my composites redone in ceramics (only half done). I was dreading the post reaction senario that had happened in the past, but have wanted to get this done. When I went in, already I could almost sense the mercury and even without feeling "afraid" my heart rate went up (which happened in the past also), I can't explain the sensation I get, it's almost like I can smell it, yet it's "odorless". But after the visit, I didn't notice much and really thought I was home free this time. I was amazed that I didn't notice symptoms and so was everybody else.
But over time something has gone wrong. Almost like a "delayed" response. This time it was different. I noticed that I was beginning to get more asthma again and severely (Hadn't had asthma in many years) and have just noticed much more exhaustion and strange itching in the face and neck with worse mental symptoms. I am beginning to think this is from that dental office visit, because i havne't done anything else in that time!
Another dental office visit I had about a year or more ago left me with almost IMMEDIATE symptoms. I had them after I had been in the office for a couple of hours (no dental work, just consultation) and started noticing one eye was twitching, I had some strange hyper feeling, uncontrollable giggling on the way home in the car (which I used to get with mercury)and then the symptoms hit that night. I was a total mess. Rashes and itching in the face and neck, crying/salivating (typical stuff from exposure). DMSA seemed to help that over time because nothing else would help me. Even the doc's healthy regime of herbal antifungals, diet, supportive supplements simply would not stop this post reaction response to being in the office. So out came the chelator and I was able to improve from that.
Right now I cannot afford DMSA, so I'm kind of stuck, but am wondering if it's a similar senario of vapor exposure..... would really like to hear of anybody else's view or experience in this area. I know I have heard other people have had this, but would like to hear about it and what symptoms you experienced? I am finding this a big problem and something that is going to prevent me from going in for any dental check up or work I may need. Just regular cleanings won't even be possible if this is what is going to happen. My gums are in a state from years of illness but also neglect to go to a dentist for regular cleanings. So it's a difficult situation.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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11/24/07 06:35 AM
11/24/07 06:35 AM
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hi bex, sorry the mercury vapour has affected you, i do beleive it can take time for symptoms to show their face. i always have a delayed response, ie,if i ate wrongly, i would have symptoms a few days later, not straight away. i once had a tetanus shot,i got no pain in my arm until exactly 2 weeks later to the very minute. i have to make arrangements for a cavitate scan/surgery, also i need 2 composites changing and im totally dreading it,the exposure of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> more mercury is going to kill me. its about time dentists came up with the idea of us patients putting on space suites before we enter a dental office. hang in there, i myself can hardly afford dmsa,why is it so expensive? Dawn x
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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11/24/07 02:57 PM
11/24/07 02:57 PM
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Hi Dawn and Rachel, thanks for the responses. This is a really big problem and I wonder why biologic dentists who know about the dangers of mercury vapor don't do more to stop this. It is not enough to have extraction systems to "clear" the vapor, evidentally this does not work enough.
Mercury lands in and on everything and unlike smoke from cigarettes, it's not so easy to put in a fan to "suck the smoke out". Vapor is far different than that. To me they should have a particular zone for amalgams removals only, as cut off from the rest of the office environment as possible, and the rest of their office environment should be seperate - reception, cleanings and other dental work. It just amazes me that they don't do this, but leave everything open so that the vapor from their removals contaminates the entire office environment. If I can get symptoms just from sitting in the reception area, something is wrong and though I realise I am very sensitive, it does show that the stuff gets everywhere.
Dawn, it is unreal how expensive DMSA is. Isn't it amazing that the products they sell to chelate mercury are this pricy? INcluding amalgam removal? Wouldn't you think that in a way to compensate for the mass poisoning, that they would limit the cost as much as possible in this area? Surely the biologic dentists would do that considering that it was the dental profession that did this to us in the first place!
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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11/25/07 05:21 AM
11/25/07 05:21 AM
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Hi Mikey, thanks I hope things get better soon too. I get my DMSA from the natural health lab in new zealand www.nhlab.co.nz as well as other supplements. I "think" it costs me about $1.20 a capsule (nz dollars of course, so not sure what that would be for you). My doctor puts on an extra 80 cents to every capsule ($2.00 a cap) so I avoid her and get it straight from the lab <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Hal Huggins suggestion seems very moderate, due to the low dose and only 3 days a week, but in actual fact for me, the "one" off dosing brought on horrific side effects after only "one" isolated dose. It took me weeks to improve from one capsule alone. For me, to not even be able to handle one 50 mg capsule of DMSA hal huggins style, yet to be able to handle 50 mg of DMSA every 4 hours around the clock (andy style) says it all. Andy definitely understands the way DMSA works and the way mercury works and how one should take DMSA to avoid such awful side effects. Though some people do just fine on Hal Huggins suggestion, and at least his is a very modest dose. But I believe that Andy's method is the best. You end up taking a LOT more, with far less danger and side effects. Very much worth it.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/06/07 04:55 PM
12/06/07 04:55 PM
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Hmm, I have just looked up exposure to mercury vapor (inhalation/acute) and here is what it said: "Health affects and first aid Inhalation: Acute: Inhalation of a high concentration of mercury vapor can cause almost immediate dyspnea, cough, fever, nausea and vomiting, diarrhea, stomatitis, salivation, metallic taste, gingivitis, and cardiac abnormalities. Respiratory irritation may occur with chest pain and tightness. Symptoms may re solve or may progress to necrotizing bronchiolitis, pneumonitis, pulmonary edema, pneumothorax, interstitial fibrosis, and death. Acidosis and renal damage may also occur. Allergic reactions that may occur in previously exposed persons include dermatitis, encephalitis, and death. Metal fume fever, an influenza-like illness, may occur due to the inhalation of freshly formed metal oxide particles sized below 1.5 microns and usually between 0.02-0.05 microns. Symptoms may be delayed 4-12 hours and begin with a sudden onset of thirst, and a sweet, metallic or foul taste in the mouth. Other symptoms may include upper respiratory tract irritation accompanied by coughing and a dryness of the mucous membranes, lassitude and a generalized feeling of malaise. Fever, chills, muscular pain, mild to severe headache, nausea, occasional vomiting, exaggerated mental activity, profuse sweating, excessive urination, diarrhea and prostration may also occur. Tolerance to fumes develops rapidly, but is quickly lost. All symptoms usually subside within 24-36 hours" Ok, all i can say is, I have experienced many of those symptoms - excessive thirst, tightness in chest with severe asthma attacks, foul taste in my mouth, pain in my stomach, a feeling of being in a drug like stupor, very nervous, everything has gotten so much worse. Yet that article said that the symptoms should subside in 24/36 hours! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shiftyeyes.gif" alt="" /> So what is going on here? I know that some people handle mercury better than others, but this is ridiculous. It's been nearly 2 months since my visit. I am being extremely good on my diet to no avail, I am doing a parasite cleanse which is so far not producing any effects on me (good or bad), but I am definitely going to see the course out. I honestly feel that I'm going to need to chelate and what scares me is, I have another appointment to get the other side of my mouth done on the 18th (composites replaced with cerec, I do not have amalgam).... The reason I want to do this is, getting it OVER WITH, so I can't start the new year and know that I do not have to get to a dentist again for a long time. But I fear the second big dose of exposure at the sametime. I just want this gone. I can never go back and even get a clean done. One visit is devastating.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/06/07 10:25 PM
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Hi, thanks Rachel. Sorry you experience a backlash from this as well......I wish mine only took 3-4 days <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shiftyeyes.gif" alt="" /> But it is still not pleasant to experience.... I never used to have this problem. With or without amalgams. It only started when I got that viral infection. So I gather it may have damaged me enough to allow my body to become a sitting duck for toxic exposure and not able to eliminate. About the composites? I now believe they were not the issue. Painful way to find out eh? I guess I've been grasping at straws to try and improve my condition. BUT, I'm still getting the other side done because I've started and feel I should finish. Plus they last long and hopefully will save me from having to go back (anytime soon). My diet and dental hygeine should help me, but unfortunately I battle gum disease due to such bad health. Used to have ok gums when I didn't have the virus. Weird eh? I do believe that there are indeed some dental materials that may contain certain chemicals that may set off some problems in people and I think it's a painful decision to make. Sometimes people leave things alone for fear they'll make a difficult situation worse....I cannot really justify amalgams, but given the alternatives and possible reactions to plastics, it's not always so cut and dry. I think porcelain is a good option (if it's the right kind) because it's hard wearing and not so leaky. But I think they all have their drawbacks and everybody reacts differently, which just shows how unique we all are <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/gunshot.gif" alt="" /> I have ordered some DMSA and am going to try chelating with that and see if anything happens. failing that? ALA is next on my list. I could SCREAM at dentists who continue to use this neurotoxin in their surgeries. I could scream at myself for being so sick and sensitive to become this suseptible.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/07/07 05:21 PM
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Does anyone know about exposure from spouse? My husband still has amalgams in his mouth and gold. Thanks.
Gabriella
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
#28017
12/07/07 09:44 PM
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I think Charcoal is only for at the time of removal. It can’t be used regularly because it soaks up everything, not just mercury, all yr food, minerals and vitamins... everything. I had a look on http://onibasu.com/Lots of refereances, but I could not find a specific yea or nay from cutler. Activated Charcoal Activated charcoal (carbon) is an essential agent when chelating or detoxifying from mercury and other heavy metals. It is an effective treatment for accidental and intentional poisonings and is used in every emergency room, in every ambulance, and should be a part of every household, especially those with small children. When one is concerned, during chelation, that mercury is being eliminated through the intestines, activated carbon will insure that it will not be reabsorbed to inflict further harm on the system. So strong is activated carbon's ability to adsorb mercury and other heavy metals that it is now being used to remove mercury from smokestacks of coal burning power plants. The mercury-removal method is simple. The carbon is treated with the chemical bromine and then blown into the stream of exhaust gases. The carbon adsorbs as much as 75 percent of the gaseous mercury in difficult applications, and at power plants with easier configurations, the activated-carbon technology removed as much as 94 percent of the mercury.[i] "This is as complicated as it gets right here," said Duke Engineer Stephen Potter. "It's like a sponge. It soaks that mercury up." The project, funded mostly by the U.S. Department of Energy, cost less than $2 million. Activated Carbon has been used in the removal of mercury, lead and other toxins from aqueous water systems, and the removal of toxins, including heavy metals from soils and superfund sites. [ii] [iii] Activated Charcoal (AC) has been used effectively in the healing arts for centuries. Doctors use it routinely as an antidote for poisons and an effective treatment for indigestion and gas. AC is a highly adsorbent gritty black material and is commonly found in air and water filters because it has an amazing ability to attract other substances to its surface and hold them there through the process of adsorption. Charcoal can adsorb thousands of times its own weight in gases, heavy metals, poisons, and other chemicals, thus making them ineffective or harmless.[iv] The adsorptive surface of activated charcoal contains several carbon moieties (e.g., carbonyl, hydroxyl) that adsorb different poisons with varying affinity.[v] It is so filled with holes that the surface area of just one teaspoonful of this material will cover the area of a football field.[vi] AC does not really function like a sponge, as inferred above by Potter. It does not pull into its inner structures like clay does. Instead, poisonous gases and chemicals adhere or stick to its surface. If you were to eat the carbon, nearby poisons within your body would attach to it firmly until the body expels both of them from the body. The charcoal is not absorbed into the blood; it's merely a carrier of toxins. Activated charcoal is made from coal, wood, bone char, peat, sawdust or charred hard fruit shells and fruit pits. Coconut shells and cherry pits are often used. The charred bits of fruit pits and coconut shells (considered vegetable sources) are believed by many to be the most valuable for human consumption of activated charcoal. This vegetable form of carbon is safe for human consumption and is FDA approved [vii] The best-known use of activated charcoal is in emergency medicine. AC is an effective treatment for accidental and intentional poisonings. The Poison Control Centers around the country advocate that parents keep a bottle of activated charcoal in the home. Many substances and toxins are said to be effectively removed by Activated Charcoal in poisoning situations.[viii] Activated charcoal can be used in the home, and is mixed with either water or juice. Activated charcoal can be used in many ways to detoxify our bodies from everyday contaminants, toxins, effects of pharmaceutical drugs, relief of gastrointestinal ailments, including candidiasis, which is such a prominent problem in children with autistic spectrum disorders. Dr. Robert Kaufman PhD, who has done extensive study on activated carbon, explains that: 1. Activated Charcoal adsorbs much of the toxins that Candida produces that otherwise would be absorbed by the blood and carried throughout the body. These toxins produce pathological changes in tissues and organs and interfere with proper immune function. Candida toxins cause allergic reactions and are responsible for the debilitating symptoms of Candidiasis. 2. Activated Charcoal suppresses the growth of intestinal-based yeasts. 3. Activated Charcoal counteracts the Herxheimer reaction - a severe, short-term exacerbation of Candida symptoms caused by the copious amount of toxins produced by dying yeast cells as a result of a successful treatment. The Herxheimer reaction is often so unpleasant that patients abandon treatment before completion. Activated Charcoal is one method for alleviating the symptoms of yeast die-off so people can continue their treatment and not suffer.[ix] For GI problems a teaspoon of activated charcoal mixed with a full 8oz glass of water per day, often gives relief from many ailments. While constipation is one of the possible effects of regular ingestion of AC, the slurry can be mixed with psyllium husk to minimize this effect, or alternatively, a mild herbal laxative or magnesium preparation can be used. Dr. Robert Kaufman said, "Abdominal distension (bloating) and flatulence respond favorably to treatment with activated charcoal. Diarrhea caused by food poisoning, bacteria, nervousness and other factors is usually alleviated by taking activated charcoal. Some physicians have used activated charcoal to stop bleeding from ulcerative colitis and calm spastic colons. Activated charcoal is the best intestinal deodorant available. Taking activated charcoal counteracts decomposition products from food (such as beans) that cause flatulence and diarrhea. Individuals with malodorous stools should reach for activated charcoal".[x] You can help your heart and circulatory system by taking activated charcoal. It lowers the concentration of total lipids, cholesterol, and triglycerides in the blood serum, liver, heart and brain. It was reported in the British journal Lancet, on patients with high cholesterol, 8 gm of activated charcoal taken three times a day lowered total cholesterol 25%, lowered LDL cholesterol 41% and doubled their HDL/LDL (high-density lipoprotein/low-density lipoprotein) cholesterol ratio.[xi] Microscopic tissue examination studies have shown that a daily dose of activated charcoal may prevent sclerotic changes in the heart and coronary blood vessels.[xii] Dr. V. V. Frolkis, a famous Russian Gerontologist discovered that activated charcoal is a potent life-extending agent. Activated charcoal has been found to increase the mean lifespan of older test animals by approximately 40% and their maximum lifespan by approximately 34%.[xiii] It decreases the age-related increase in the brain's sensitivity to drugs and regular use improves the adaptive functioning of essential organs (liver, kidneys, and adrenals). That translates into better defense mechanisms. Microscopic tissue analysis shows that activated charcoal prevents many cellular changes linked to aging-decreased protein synthesis, lower RNA activity, arteriosclerosis, and organ fibrosis. So the cumulative effects from activated charcoal are longer life and improved overall health. Activated charcoal is used to remove pathogens from the body, either by ingestion (for cold/flu viruses) but also for use topically in poultices and wound care. Studies have also shown that activated charcoal is an effective treatment for dysentery, cholera, and many infectious conditions of the digestive tract.[xiv] Lancet described the use of charcoal compresses to speed the healing of wounds and eliminate their odors. Application of moist activated charcoal compresses and poultices actually draw bacteria and poisons through the skin and into the poultice or compress.[xv] General detoxification is an on-going biological process that prevents toxins (from infectious agents, food, air, water, and substances that contact the skin) from destroying health. Chronic exposure to toxins produces cellular damage, diverse diseases, allergic like reactions, compromised immunity and premature aging. Activated charcoal can be an important adjunct to any general detoxification program. AC can be taken separately in a daily drink, used in conjunction with clay baths or used for acute mercury or other heavy metal ingestion. Though it does not seem reasonable to think AC will remove longstanding body burdens of mercury it certainly is an important aid for it will adsorb all mercury being released that reaches the gut. Dr. Klinghardt tells us that for selective mobilization of mercury from the gut, three effective agents are available: chlorella pyreneidosa, chitin and chitosan, and activated charcoal.[xvi] Dr. Timothy Ray says that during chelation of mercury with DMSA and DMPS (sulfhydryl chelators), "Some of the mobilized metals may be unbound because the mobilizing and binding mechanisms of each chelator may have different degrees of efficiency depending on each patient's current biochemistry. The longer the metals stay in the bowel, the more damage and inflammation they can cause. If the patient has Leaky Gut Syndrome or Inflammatory Bowel Disease, which most of these patients do, the increased permeability of the intestinal wall may provide little resistance to the resorption of these mobilized metals, which then travel back to where they came from - the brain, kidneys, liver, connective tissue, etc., or are deposited into previously healthy tissue." The problem with leaky gut and bowel inflammation in general, is that they are very difficult to treat while the metals are still present in that tissue and continuing to cause inflammation." Activated Charcoal is recommended as one of the supplements to assist in protecting the intestinal wall and grabbing the mercury to move it through the intestines and out of the body. He also says, "Mercury is known to create antibiotic resistant bacteria, the plasmid responsible also being replicated and passed on to other bacteria. The presence of mercury in the bowel could therefore contribute to the severity and duration of intestinal infections."[xvii] Many well-informed environmental dentists give their clients Activated charcoal (and some combine it with chlorella) before proceeding with removal of dental amalgams.[xviii] This protects the tissues and intestines from any damage that might occur when particles of amalgam are swallowed, and helps to rapidly transport and eliminate them from the body. Well-equipped dental offices also use activated charcoal filters to trap the vapors released during amalgam removal. Facial masks are also made with activated charcoal to protect the dental practitioners. Activated charcoal is recommended for internal ingestion in the powdered form for best efficacy. While it is available in many differing preparations, care must be taken to ensure the purest form. Toxicology studies have proven that activated charcoal is harmless when used with reason. Ingesting high dosages does not interfere with sleep-disorders appetite, well-being or cause major problems. Activated charcoal is highly adsorbent; when it is ingested at the same time as medication, supplements and foods it may decrease their absorption and utilization. Milk, ice cream, or sherbet will decrease the ability of activated charcoal to absorb other agents. Therefore, always allow 2 hours before and wait 2 hours after using activated charcoal to eat, take supplements or swallow medication. Activated charcoal can cause constipation, which can easily be remedied by the addition of psyllium, magnesium, or herbal laxatives. [i] Technology Gives Hope in the Removal of Mercury; Contra Costa Times 6/18/05 http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/living/science/11933933.htm[ii] CPL Carbon Link: Municipal Water Treatment: http://www.activated-carbon.com/3-2.html[iii] Superfund sites are the most contaminated hazardous waste sites located in the United States and are on the National Priorities List (NPL).RCRA, the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act, regulates hazardous waste treatment, storage, and disposal facilities .Sixty-four percent of Superfund and RCRA sites are contaminated with both organic and heavy metal species and another 15% are contaminated solely by metals. Lead, which contaminates more than 50% of sites found on the NPL, is one of the most prominent metal contaminants found in hazardous waste sites. Mercury also poses significant environmental and health concerns. The World Health Organization (WHO) has approximated that each year 10,000 tons of mercury are released globally from both natural and anthropogenic sources. May-Aug, 2000 for the US. EPA: An Overview of the Phytoremediation of Lead and Mercury http://clu-in.org/download/studentpapers/henry.pdf[iv] Activated Charcoal Can Save Your Life, Jonothan Shiloka http://www.motherearthnews.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5571[v] Burke GM, Wurster DE, Berg MJ, Veng-Pedersen P, Schottelius DD. Surface characterization of activated charcoal by x-ray [vi] field Carbon Activated Corp. http://www.activatedcarbon.com/What%20is.html.[vii] http://www.therapies.com/colon/charcoal.htm[viii] The Total Health Newsletter July 1998 VoL No.5 ACTIVATED CHARCOAL - Uses In Modern Natural Healing http://healingtools.tripod.com/thn5.htmlSUBSTANCES ADSORBED BY CHARCOAL Acetaminophen Aconitine Amitriptyline Hydrochloride Amphetamine Antimony Antipyrine Arsenic Aspirin Atropine Barbital Barbiturates Ben-Gay Benzodiazepines Cantharides Camphor Chlordane Chloroquine Chlorpheniramine Chlorpromazine Cocaine Colchicine Congesprin Contac Dalmane Darvon Delphinium 2, 4-Dichlorophenoxyacetic Acid Digitalis or Foxglove Dilantin Diphenylhydantoin DiphenoxylatesDoriden Doxepin Elaterin Elavil EquanilErgotamine Ethchlorvynol Gasoline Glutethimide Golden Chain Hemlock Hexachlorophene Imipramine Iodine Ipecac Isoniazid Kerosene Lead Acetate Malathion Mefenamic Acid Meprobamate Mercuric chloride Mercury Methylene Blue Methyl Salicylate Miltown Morphine Multivitamins with Minerals Muscarin Narcotics Neguvon Nicotine Nortriptyline Nytol Opium Oxazepam Parathion Penicillin Pentazocine Pentobarbital PesticidesPhenobarbital Phenolphthalein Phenol Phenolthiazines Phenylpropanolamine Placidyl Potassium Permanganate Primaquine Propantheline Propoxyphene Quinacrine Quinidine Quinine Radioactive Substances Salicylamide Salicylates Secobarbital Selenium Serax Silver Sinequan Sodium Salicylate Sominex Stramonium Strychnine Sulfonamides Talwin Tofranil Tree Tobacco Yew Valium Veratrine Some Silver & Antimony Salts Many Herbicides 32, 39, 40 & 4000+ chemicals, drugs, toxins, & wastes [ix] The Universal Antidote and Detoxifier that Extends Life: Richard C. Kaufman, Ph.D. http://healingtools.tripod.com/char1.html[x] The Total Health Newsletter, July, 1988; (revised: 6/3/00) Activated Charcoal-Uses in Modern Natural Healing http://healingtools.tripod.com/thn5.html[xi] "Effect of activated charcoal on hypercholesterolemia." P. Kuusisto, et al., Lancet 16: 366-67, August 1986 [xii] The Universal Antidote and Detoxifier That Extends Life : Activated Charcoal Richard C. Kaufman, Ph.D. http://healingtools.tripod.com/char1.html[xiii] "Enterosorption in prolonging old animal life. "V. Frolkis, et al., Exp. Gerontol.19;217-25,1984. [xiv] Activated Charcoal Can Save Your Life Jonothan Shiloka http://www.motherearthnews.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5571[xv] American Medical News, pp. 37, June 22, 1984 [xvi] Mercury Detoxification: Perpetuating Factors, Problems and Obstacles Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt, M.D., PhD http://www.neuraltherapy.com/a_mercury_detox.asp[xvii] The Mobilization and Elimination of Systemic Heavy Metals in the Context of Biological Medicine. Timothy Ray O.M.D., LAc, USA http://www.toothwisdom.net/detox_mobilization.html[xviii][19] Michael Goldman DDS: Detoxification Protocol for Replacement of Mercury Containing Fillings and for Mercury Related Symptoms. http://www.mgoldmandds.com/detox1.htm
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/08/07 11:00 AM
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Hmm, activated charcoal that soaks up candida toxins seems good. Perhaps detoxing with ALA +activated charcoal could work out even better than on ALA alone. I saw that ALA+algin has been suggested before too. Although it has not been suggested before, I suspect that ALA bites on candida as well, especially that which is systemic, so it would be good to have something with it to mop up the candida toxins. I couldn't understand what was meant with the "mercury redistribution", since I couldn't associate it with anything I experienced. However, it makes sense to me that it would be the toxins left behind by candida that flares up candida symptoms. If you keep dosing on ALA like Cutler suggests, you will have glutathione available the whole time to mop up the toxins, but sometime you have to stop, and that's when glutathione also goes down, so your body wont be able to clean up the final mess. Makes sense to me now. The redistribution could also be due to the candida toxins, not only because of mercury.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/09/07 07:41 PM
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Hi Pgm, it is not quite as simple as this. I have been damaged in some way to an extent to where my body will not even throw up a proper healing crisis or make steps towards healing. Nothing happens. I have definitely done things to increase glutathione. I am not going to go into homeopathy, anymore, been there. Been into glyconutrients, yeast treatments, parasite cleansing at the moment, chelation to no avail since 2004. Again the damage remains. I used to heal, I would respond to efforts when I did not have the damage I have now.
I have taken a quality liver detox support supplement from a reputable lab in NZ with ingredients that fully support and increase glutathione, but still could not get improved.
I have used ALA before, but not for sometimes now. That maybe my next step. I feel there is damage done, I cannot really be more specific because you really have to experience it yourself and one knows their own body.
Even Andy Cutler said this to me across email when these problems begain. HE felt there was damage somewhere and I believe he was dead on. I feel that unless this is taken care of exactly, I can take or do all manner of supplements and diets and they eventually come to nil or fall apart inevitably as the core of the problem remains unsolved. I also am on a sickness benefit, I do not have a full income. I cannot just go about buying up this and that, I'm reaching the end of my tether with it to be honest.
People say there is always an answer, but that does not mean we'll find out what it is, or be able to fix it or find someone who WILL fix it. I have gone out of my way, gone on trips, gone to doctors, natural health therapists and so many things stated, I really am not even going there anymore. I'm thru with it all.
in fact, if there is a permanent issue, be it the virus or gangrene in the jaw, I can go to any lengths and my body is literally screaming "I cannot respond". The closest I can ever get to anything is a certain control sometimes, and that is it. Deadness prevails, even when given a great diet. This was never the case once, no matter how toxic, I responded to these things and all the typical signs of healing would occur.
I honestly wish that I coudl transfer this into someone for a while, so they could understand this. It is unlike anything I have ever experienced. Even with mercury I coudl feel the healing crisis and healing taking place, horrible as it was. This is not the same.
To be honest pgm, I know more about my body by living in it, than what anybody else has actually tried to tell me by evaluating me from the outside and that's a painful lesson I've learned.
Right now I have purchased DMSA and am going to try this, as I don't think the last detnal visit has done me any favours. I have been at my worst just recently because often teh symptoms can be delayed. I was already bad enough, which is my overall condition, but any extras on top are just diabolical.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/10/07 06:16 AM
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Sorry you are so down at the moment Bex. Only you can live your life, and no one else can know exactly what you are feeling. But we are here for you. Tomorrow is another day, and it may even be better than today. But if it isn't, let us know. Remember, we are all learning from each other, and that includes the bad as well as the good. If you can get to the beach, the ions charged by moving water may help you to feel a bit better. (I think it's the negative ions) Even if your closest access to the sea or harbour are rocky, you can still sit on a rock and contemplate the ebb and flow. Be cool Carol <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/waterskiing.gif" alt="" />
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/10/07 07:37 AM
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Hi Bex. I'm as usual sorry to hear that your condition is that difficult. But I still think there can be something done. Have you managed to determine if it is your digestion that doesn't work at all? In that case every supplement must be given as injections because orally taken stuff will not absorb or will absorb very poorly. Have you tried Glutathione PleoLyposome? It's something new that doesn't even show up in Wikipedia, but has clearly had already some great success in treating very difficult cases. http://www.gethealthyagain.com/aut-products.htmlhttp://www.health-reports.com/lupus-wellness.htmlIt is superior to whey protein, but quite expensive, in very difficult cases you have to consume rather much of it per day. The idea is that this supplement has glutathione that can enter cells easily, while usual orally given glutathione cannot do that. I think that most here on this forum (especially the most difficult cases) would benefit from this, would be interesting to see how well it works. I must be lucky, because I found out this by using the keywords "glutathione depleted nothing works" in google. LOL.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/10/07 06:04 PM
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Thanks for your comments guys. Carol, I wish I felt a little more normal to leave the house and go to the beach. I can't right now, I'm sitting or lying down mostly. Sounds pathetic eh? Especially in the Xmas season. But my body is very tired and exercising oddly enough does not help. Thanks pgm, but I cannot afford (literally) take take on any more items to my health regime. Paying off porcelain dental materials at the moment, so you can imagine <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> These better last too, and I mean most of the rest of my life. I'll tell you something weird happening to me these days too. My feet and ankles are now swelling up and I am having pain when I go to the toilet sometimes (a little like a continual bladder infection, yet I've had this in the past too). I will also have trouble holding it. I think it's toxins because my body is just not able for reasons I don't get to rid itself of toxic load. I really believe that because any wrong move on my diet, even very slight, and this is what will happen. The toilet problem and feet and ankles and this was all from having something small. I haven't actually cheated on actual sugar for a very long time now. But what is it that would cause the feet and ankles to swell and other problem upon deviating slightly from my diet? I am finding this diet a nightmare, it's xmas too, but I certainly cannot cheat an inch. To go around with fat feet and ankles and almost incontinent is well, kind of concerning. I feel like I"m ageing prematurely and my blood test results were all just dandy. Kidneys included. I'm beginning to have HUGE doubts on these blood tests. I know people who are very well and have something show up that is "wrong" and people who are very sick showing great results. Could it be how to interpret the tests that is a little "off" maybe? Either that, or the fact I'm still alive, means my blood tests will show all is ok.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/11/07 11:14 AM
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Hi Bex. Swelling feet and ankles is all to do with your kidneys. The swelling is water retention. It’s called Oedema. Increasing your potassium is supposed to help. Eat banana’s, dried apricots…stuff like that, but depends what your diet allows. Google it. Also you need to drinks lots of fluid. Lots of water, that keeps the kidneys working as best as possible. Oedema is water retention, but that does not mean you should reduce your water intake, it means you should increase your water intake, keep everything moving along. I don’t know what you salt intake is, but you could consider more salt. Big salt intake is fine as long as you drink plenty of water. I’m on 1-2 tsp per day. Sea or rock salt obviously. When I did my kidney cleanses I got this swelling. I kept drinking lots of water. 2-3 liters per day and it went away in 2 weeks. I assume this is happening to you now? If it is, then I would say it is all related to your parasite cleanse you are doing. Your body is working overtime killing those funkers and your kidneys are on the front line, detoxing you. On parasite cleanses you need to have high water intake anyway, now this oedema thing……lots of water please Bex <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/11/07 11:20 AM
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Bex, how is the parasite cleanse going?
A bit of gross biological conversation... but important stuff... before I got sick last winter I would go to the bathroom to pee and boy could I pee... then I got sick, the mercury and then other whathaveyous that got blown out of proportion (parasites) because of the mercury... and for months and months going to the bathroom was, a very slow thing.. weak stream they call it in guys, but in women the same thing... would hurt a little sometimes...Then i did the parasite cleanse,,, those few to several really big heavy duty days right up front..
and oh my gosh what a relief, i was peeing like normal again.
It was parasites for me Bex, and if I hadn't done the cleanse I would have still been blaming it on mercury. They are related, the mercury and other toxins cause parasites to flourish. You have to directly address the parasites I am real sure by now.
And that was before the liver cleanse btw, I was peeing like normal again before I did that even. So, defintely parasites here, or something along those lines. the heavy duty black walnut hull knocked it out within a few days.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/11/07 06:51 PM
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Hi sunshine, I take "real salt" (redmonds) which is highly quality rock salt, but am going onto something better when this one runs out. I use it quite liberally on my food and even in vitamin C drinks. My swelling feet and ankles have been something that's been there for a while now and it comes when I cheat on my diet a little bit. It seems to be like a massive response to further toxins that my body just cannot handle. That's the only way I can describe it. They have gone down again now because I'm back on the strict diet. It's pathetic really, but that's how it is. I can't eat banans or apricots, even for more potassium because it feeds the yeast inside me and in doing that, things get even worse. I'm wondering if it's gluten too that might do this, even a small amount....but when the swelling happens, that is when I get the problems going to the toilet, so it goes hand in hand. Horrible, and yeah sounds kidney related for sure. Yet blood tests showed all in tip top shape <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> WHAT A CROCK! It could be somewhat related to the parasite cleanse, but again it's happened in the past and happens when I venture onto even a few wrong foods (even if they're not "sugar"). Finding it so hard, Xmas season and all. It's not to say the extra from the parasite cleanse maybe pushing more toxins out than usual and the load is causing the swelling when I go onto a few wrong foods. Im not sure. Have increased water intake too! I've written down every food now that causes a problem in me, even "suspect". Because it is clear that I am REALLY in a bad way and have to be completely vigilant. I've been very good in respect of not having had any sugar for so long, but it goes deeper than that. It means so many other foods too. Even corned beef is bad for me. Cheese, corn chips, chips. potatoes, milk (even a bit in tea can cause issues), fruit, grains. It's just incredible how bad I've become. I used to be able to include these things, even when I had candida, I just stopped eating sugar and gluten and the rest I could still eat. My how times have changed! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shiftyeyes.gif" alt="" />
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/11/07 07:00 PM
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Hi sosick, not sure exactly how the parasite cleanse is going. I am not really noticing anything "much", but perhaps it is doing something partially, dealing with at least a bit of my problem. I don't know if the urine problem is die off as sunshine asked....it's happened in the past, so again, I cannot be certain. It happens after I cheat on the diet, so I am doubtful! I'm on the 10th day of the parasite cleanse and then I take a week off and apparently do another 10 days of it. So time will tell I guess. certainly I don't have a weak stream! (lol sorry for too much info), but that is most definitely ok, which might be the parasite cleanse becuase i haven't noticed it like this before! I think there is so many things happening at once, that you have to take a multiple approach, which is what I'm "trying" to do. I definitely do think the mercury vapor at the last visit has impacted me even more though, so that is not helping. Feeling really achey and tired ever since, plus the odd chest restriction and severe asthma attacks (which I haven't had in years). Amazing what an exposure to vapor can do! Pity, I can't even get a routine clean for my teeth/gums <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I actually use Dr Judd's approach to brushing teeth with ordinary bar soap. He says that toothpaste is the worst thing you can use on teeth, due to the glycerine preventing remineralisation, and the fluoride destroying certain enzymes... i'm not noticing anything dramatic as yet in that area, but I'm still using the soap anyway. He said it's excellent because it does not leave a film on the teeth, disinfects the gums at the sametime and allows for teeth to remineralise from calcium and phospherus in the diet/supplements. Also recommends sodium ascorbate to help the gums heal. Anyway sorry I just went off topic here, but anyway I cannot be certain of the action of the parasite cleanse. There is just nothing dramatic enough happening to let me know, but I am still glad i'm doing it because I think if there are any? it'll take care of them I'm sure. Anything less in me in that area is good!
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/11/07 07:35 PM
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That's a sure sign Bex, the pee thing, that things are in order with the parasite cleanse and that it has already started clearing stuff up quite a bit. Congratulations, something that sounds so minor actually means a lot doesn't it?
I would double the dose before bed every other day until you finish now. it won't hurt you really it won't but it help make sure you get some of the more resistant buggers.
nothing ever wants to die Bex, including parasites. expect a bit of a fight. eat pineapple! and pumpkin seeds!
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/11/07 11:54 PM
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I would just take the last dose as adouble then. but I would also take a hefty double dose at 5 days instead of waiting a full 10. The 10 day wait is just a possble egg hatching period. you can be sure your first round killed some stuff, but not everything. so if you do one major dose at 5 days and then satrt again at normal in 10 you'll be doing good. eat parasite hating foods during your break, pineapple is top of my list. You could crush some cloves prior to that too now and then. The pineapple makes the parasites absorb everything better, makes your stomach acids work better, seems to provide quite the double action in itself. Later at the 10 day restart, do the double dose thing every night for a few nights and then your last few nights too, if possible. If you need extra because you are running short, don;t spend so much just get plain wlnut hull tincture to make up your double dose. I give my daughter lots of walnut hull, she is in her last two weeks. We do 15 days, break, 15 days. I think I did 45-50 days upfront, breaking every few days and then hitting hard for a few days.. It's fine. no complaints. I have felt little tiny wiggly sensations in my leg for years. scary huh? all gone. pinworms I betcha. no eye fgloaters anymore either. people say it's mercury but I have a funny feeling it's just mercury related. i have thought for years that the floaters were parasites of some sort. So, still not sure sure sure but they seem to be gone really. Could be all the chelating i suppose. glad the trips to the bathroom are olympic quality though. That is very hopeful. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" /> You are going into the liver cleanse after right? that will probably clear up the rest. You'll want walnut hull to take a big dose every two weeks for awhile. make sure you have some! Hulda says it's real important, I agree from experience..
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/13/07 08:57 AM
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Hi Bex, Everybody is way more experienced than I am, but in a practical way, soak your feet in lukewarm water with a good handfull of salt. This will help get some of the water out of the tissues and give you more comfort. Then lie down for ten to twenty minutes with your feet slightly elevated. This will encourage drainage. And then you get your maid to massage relaxing oils into your skin . . . . . . . yeah, right! With the warmer weather coming, swelling can be more of a problem anyway. Try to do foot and leg exercises while you are sitting. It is the contraction of the calf muscles which helps to pump the blood back up the leg against gravity. No matter what treatments you are using, if you are not walking around much you need to help your circulation all you can. Of course, sprinting to the littlest room will help; perhaps we could start a new sport for the Olympics. Have you checked if your urine is out of the correct pH range (which I can't remember right now) I've always taken Urals if I suspect a problem, and this works well for me. Get from pharmacy without Rx. Very cheap. Good luck Carol <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/catdance.gif" alt="" />
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/13/07 04:31 PM
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Hi Carol, thanks, but the swelling has disappeared. No amount of putting my feet up did a thing to help and I simply had to wait till things settled. It was obviously cheating on my diet that did it, so I don't think much helps other than diet.
Obviously it all comes from the internals, so I guess I gotta be very careful. I don't get discomfort so much from them, but they look hidious when they get like that.
I actually put my feet up and they did not go down, maybe "slightly" but it's not any solution. I can't stay like that, nor will it work when I stand up again anyway. So I have to really work on the inside I think.
Not sure why my PH is, I used to test it at one stage, but don't do it anymore. My diet is fixed, anything I do differently is a nightmare. So there really isn't any point in me changing anything when I simply can't.
The only thing I can do is increase my intake of vegetables, which I think I need to do because some days I am so tired, I cannot be bothered preparing anything so I just fry up meat and i'm done!
Thanks again though!
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/14/07 11:07 AM
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if you still react to Hg vapors you may still be toxic. Did you try ALA chelation to get rid of your symptoms?
After reviewing this member's history, we have concluded that they were attempting to discredit our system with malice. They have been banned.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/21/07 04:45 PM
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where is the parasite cleanse at, Bex?
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/21/07 06:01 PM
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Hi sosick, well I started off with it and did 10 days straight, then had about a week off. I have just started again and am now into my 4th day or so. This is how I was told to take it... I'm on full dose according to the bottle - 10 mls, 3 times a day. I "can" take it 4 times a day if I wish. I'm going to finish the whole bottle, so it may take me near to two weeks. I'm very glad that I got the porcelain replacement materials all done, so that is something I don't have to think about now for hopefully a LONG time (fingers crossed). Next is finding an oral surgeon/dentist who might actually open up my ex wisdom tooth sites to check for any cavitations (rot). I don't know if any will be willing to do that, based on my asking. But unfortunately they are tricky to find and hidden cavitations are pretty common too. You can barely make them out on xray. Bone scan shows them on the top, yet voll machine testing detected bottom left side....and interesting that I got ill after the bottom left side wisdom tooth was done! Yet nothing seems to show up on xray or bone scan with that side...weird! I am sticking to the diet very well, no cheats at all. I am unsure about fish, I would like to eat some and have started to again (sardines and cod liver oil)...but not sure if this is a bad move or not.....I just feel that I may need a bit of fish/oil in my diet. Oh and sosick, I got pumpkin seeds <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> So I mix pumpkin seeds with sunflower seeds and at them as snacks, plus I eat almonds.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/21/07 08:38 PM
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Hi Bex. I'm new and have been reading. One thing I didn't notice in your message is the subject of diet and eating/drinking habits. If you run out of things to try here's a suggestion. First go to the church and ask the elders of the church to anoint you with oil and pray for your healing as per James 5:14 or somewhere in that chapter. Then go on a raw food fast eating nothing but nuts, seeds, vegtables and some fruits. I've read that the fruit meals should be separate from the vegie meals but nuts & seed can be combined with both. Perhaps some plain white organic yougart and some cooked brown rice would be ok on occasion. Avacado and mangos make bases for good salad combos. Now and then a high quality of sardines packed in water might be ok also. I make up all kinds of combination dishes mixing into sardine as the base protine. Carrot juice might be good to drink as well as some herbal teas. It's a bit like what the Daniel diet appears to have been in the book of Daniel. About the anointing: Imo the reason few healings are effected these days is that God knows that if he suddenly heals and the sick one keeps on the same diet regimen that got him/her sick, the person, after healing will just regress back into sickness. My first introduction to holistic healing came about back in the 1950s while in the Air Force after I was anointed and healed. Shortly afterward God led me to a man who introduced me into holistic. Of course back then we didn't know beans compared to the advanced science in it today. May God bless. I'll pray for you when you come to mind. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/21/07 08:45 PM
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So it's going smoothly then, good.
It's probably normal to feel kind of yucky after any dental work Bex.
Buzsaw is giving you excellent advice. welcome Buzsaw, how'd you get a name like that? It's almost scarier than mine.
I like to keep my saw real sharp, makes for quick work. Nothing worse than a dull saw.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/22/07 08:19 AM
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Hi Buzsaw, thanks for your suggestions. I really don't tend to talk about my sickness with many people in real life and am far shyer than I let on. I don't know many people at church, because half the time I don't go. I'm pretty sick to where I just stay at home mostly, or hang around my own immediate family. They do have healing sessions at my church and I probably should start going again. They use oil too! I just don't feel comfortable about asking other people to group around me and pray. That is just me, I've always been highly reserved and the idea makes me uncomfortable to be honest. I have indeed been on prayers lists though and have had people with the gift of healing (from Christ) praying over me before. I just have not had much luck in that area, but others have. I've seen teh miracles occur, heard of them, and they're amazing when they happen, but not everybody gets a healing. I do believe that God does have His own reasons and I do hope that oneday I will in fact be healed. Perhaps some of this is happening for my own good, maybe I'd have gone down a worse road had this not happened. I really don't know the answers to be honest, but I know my nature well and I'm a rather extreme person when given enough health....so I wonder sometimes. I've learned alot from sickness, but loathe it at the sametime. It's forced me to learn about health and mercury and other problems, and in doing so, it gives me the opportunity to pass on some things that helped me to other people. Other than that? I feel my life is rather "pointless". I eat much of what you have suggested. I eat raw nuts, seeds, vegetables, yoghurt, but have eggs and meat too. I could fast a bit sure, but done it before to no real avail. I feel quite comfortable with the diet I am already on to be honest and it's been hard enough for me to gain a bit of weight as it is. I don't feel ok about getting anymore restrictive than I already am. I feel I require the protein from the meat and eggs. I CANNOT eat fruit, i have tried and it's disastrous. It just feeds the candida. Ok for people who may not have such an extreme case, but I have tried many times to get back into fruit and I just relapse into worse candida and have to start from scratch. Will not be doing that again. I know fruit is healthy and I used to do well on it, but not these days. The same with grains, it just feeds yeast, rice included. I cannot afford to risk that right now. Thanks, I feel a little more comfortable having sardines. I know they are very good for you too and supposedly lower in mercury! So I"m having them from time to time now. I do appreciate your advice though. I can always limit my eggs and meat intake a little I guess and maybe force myself to go to the next healing church session <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> lol, honestly I just want to scream when I'm around other people, it's a horrible feeling. It's hard to believe I've become so withdrawn! Thanks so much for any prayers! I think sometimes God can affect healing through our own or someone else's efforts as well, leading us to the right people in time perhaps, allowing growth/suffering along the way and forcing us to research and then help others too. I just cannot believe all this was for nothing or "punishment", I'd feel devastated if that were the case. But it is hard when prayers don't seem to be answered. That is a real test of faith! God bless.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/22/07 12:39 PM
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Sometimes you really have to push hard to break through those emotional barriers Bex (eg; can't stand being around other people).
But what you've told me about the church your currently attend (evo lot) I think I would find a different one if I were you. I wouldn't want that bunch praying over me either. just because they go through the motions doesn't always mean they have the right connection to actually help anyone.
Or, you simply get down on your knees and beg for Jesus to help you. He has never not answered me when I have been in dire need and reached the point of screaming for help. God heals when he forgives. That major big love of his, it heals us. You just need to find your way into that with him. Church is not always the answer for everyone. If I were looking for church to help with healing though I would find an Assembly of God group. They are real big on that, I have had some awesome experiences in that church. There was a charismatic church in VA I liked a lot too. But since going to a new church and asking for assistance is so very difficult, I think I would just pray. If I really really am hurting Bex, I get down on my kneees and i stay there asking for God, for Jesus to help me and I do not get up until I am better. He's never failed me yet Bex.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/22/07 04:25 PM
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Hey Bex, your life ain’t pointless. Don’t say that. That’s not right. Breaks my heart when I hear stuff like that. You just having rough patch, it will pass. You have only just begun your path to healing. There are many many different things still to try. What you have tried so far has not worked yet, but just means you gotta keep searching, keep trying new things. The breakthrough is just around the corner, just….don’t know which corner! If the latest new thing yr trying, the parasite cleanse, doesn’t work, then you will just have to try something else new. The more different things you try, the closer to healing you will get… At some point your toxins will give up and allow you to heal…. of that, I have no doubt whatsoever. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/orangebloom.gif" alt="" />
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/22/07 05:14 PM
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Yeah true sosick, I do need to break through that emotional problem, but it is part of what I have, has been for years. It is much harder than people realise if they have not been affected in that way with their sickness. Certainly I was not "quite" this way before I got ill, but was always tending towards shyness to some degree.
No, I don't feel any need to go to another church. I've already been down that road before I came to the one I'm at, and felt much more at home here to be honest and knew it almost immediately. But again, I do pray personally to Christ! NOt as much as I should however and that's something I need to work with (personal relationship). You could put me in any church and it's my personal relationship that needs the work, I know that full well. I have begged many times over the years and felt unanswered, but again doesn't mean I was NOT answered, it could just mean what I'm asking for isn't compatible with God OR that the timing isn't right....I really do not know! I am glad He hasn't failed you sosick! I think you are very strong in faith.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/22/07 05:23 PM
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Hi Pgm, yeah you can relate! you know instinctively that it's not "you", because there are patches where I have been better and this part of it tends to lift as well. I think I have relapsed to be honest. I got rid of amalgams and chelated and improved out of sight, but when other things shattered my immune system, all these problems came back too! Though it's possible there is brain mercury involved here that was never fully chelated out. Which is why ALA interests me. But again, I'm dealing with more problems than what I was when it was just mercury. AT least then I was able to get control of yeast with simply avoiding sugar and gluten and could still eat non gluten grain, fruit and potatoe chips! Wow, I can't believe I could do that. But since the virus/bacteria problems, I cannot even have an alcohol coffee without almost a complete relapse and forget grain and fruit, can't touch any at all, including potatoes. So definitely my situatioin is far worse than what it ever was. I live now day to day like this and one tiny slip up is devastating. I feel like I"m going crazy in a way! I had an alcoholic coffee last night which was made by a relative with good intentions (with a bit of milk added) and I was up in a lot of distress last night and I'm even worse again! So for some people, the battle with diet etc is quite extreme. I'm just lucky that I can eat other healthy foods and I know the ones I'm "okish" with, and I barely ever dare to deviate, but of course being XMas, though I've done very well and avoided all the bad stuff, one alcohol coffee wtih milk added was enough! Ridiculous eh? I'm really glad that you're getting results with chelation and I know that ALA clears brain mercury too, and if I recall stubborn ongoing yeast issues I think were related to brain mercury if I remember what andy said once....though mine happened with the infections, I can still hope that ALA "might" do "something"......here's hoping. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/22/07 05:38 PM
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Hi Sunshine, thanks for that. Yeah, guess I'm having a downer and feeling sorry for myself at the moment. sometimes it only takes on tiny deviation on diet to bring out the worst in me. (alcohol coffee). Unreal, the painful lessons continue. I think since these infections, it's been no let up, which would account for my feelings of failure and becoming easily injured by relatively minor things and for long long periods of time. At least with mercury, horrific as it was, there was the sense of "something" happening over time, breakthroughs, though slow did happen and there was not this tremendous vulnerabiity and lack of healing. So yeah, next on agenda is the ALA, but also looking into cavitations and hoping some dentist/oral surgeon will help....though again I cannot guarantee they will. Something very bad is definitely there 24/7 to hold me to such a low health point. You know it's funny, but the most risky time for me is when I have better days. Like when my symptoms are a bit easier, it seems then that Im at high risk for deviating from diet (which I don't do, but even light cheats are a big issue). Yesterday I was having a relatively good day and babysat relatives and of course that night, when the parents got home, I got offered an alcoholic coffee and really the words "no thank you" could easily have been used and what did I do? I sat and thought "well I feel pretty good actually" .....and it went from there <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Does anybody here find that even a very light seemingly harmless deviation can cause such a big issue? Isn't this an example of a severely compromised immunity, that cannot stand up to even this? Whether mercury related or infection....? Wow, it just never ceases to amaze me how bad it can get. I've got to grips with most other no no foods, but more get added as time goes on. I can usually get away with a few black, sugar free coffees, so long as I don't overdo it. but just one alcoholic one with a bit of milk added and I'm down again! live and learn <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shiftyeyes.gif" alt="" />
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/22/07 11:16 PM
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well if it makes you feel any better, a lovely cup of Bailey's irish coffee will do the exact same thing to me... I'd have to pull myself up out of a ditch in the morn. Bad combo for sensitive people I think. I found out the hard way last winter by buying some Bailey's...
Bex, God did not always answer me either. But that changed when i really sought to know him, to know Jesus, and i gave my life to Jesus Christ...put him in charge sincerely.
I would not leave the church you are at if I were you either... I think you are there for a reason. But you can visit other churches you know, get to know other Christians that way. Jesus never told us to go church anyway, he told us to gather together, to fellowship. It definitely is that relationship with him that matters, not where you go to church.
When I feel crappy after eating something that rubs me the wrong way... I maybe will take a 25mg DMSA cap... I defintely will eat some feverfew. drink plenty of water and take a nap... feverfew is my lifesaver the past couple years. Seems to help for all sorts of things.
One thing I really stay away from of late is coffee. i never even realised it before I came here and read about so many people having trouble with coffee but sure enough, it has probably been bothering me for longer than I know. I was never a big coffee drinker but the last bag of coffee I bought... which was about 8 months ago... it's still in the fridge half full because yes indeed I paid attention and realised, wow, it really bothers me. I never would have thought one little item could cause me to feel so lousy for 2-3 days but it does. I also stay away from fish these days, and I really like fish. I do take fish oil with OJ.
I thought you were going to try the cat claw for the cavitation.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/23/07 12:05 AM
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Buzsaw is giving you excellent advice. welcome Buzsaw, how'd you get a name like that? It's almost scarier than mine.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/23/07 12:45 AM
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Oh, you too? I think it was baileys actually! Irish creme or something very similar. But for me I felt it was feeding the candida. I get the itching in private places and then gurgling in the gut big time and the next day I'll be wiped out all day, drugged, cramping and the rest. Whatever it does, the bugs in the gut LOVE it. Yes, I think coffee even on its own maybe a little risky too. I'll ditch that again as well. I can get away with the odd cup, but usually when I get back into it, I feel the effects. Possibly a bit much for my adrenals. I love it though. For a while I thought i was ok with it, but then I can react again. I'm not sure whether it feeds yeast as such, but certainly I think it does something. I'll save it the odd occassion I think...problem is, it's rather addictive. Yeah, I think it is good to get to know others from other denominations as well. I actually do not know many Christians, simply do not get out much, if at all. But it's good to meet them on here! Parents are though, which is a big plus! As for fish? Seem to be "ok" on sardines (from canada - Brunswick) and my apparently mercury free cod liver oil.....hoping I can stick with that. I'd like to just have them about twice a week or something. About the cat's claw? That's what I wanted to do, but got onto the parasite cleanse instead. Don't want to do too many things at onetime. I have been warned about it too, so if I do try it, I'll be taking it easy to check for reactions. Oh boy today is a doozy. I'm absolutely knocked out <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/kookoo.gif" alt="" /> from last night. I'll probalby go and lie down soon (no doubt fall straight to sleep).
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/23/07 01:17 AM
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Hi Buzsaw, thanks for your suggestions. I really don't tend to talk about my sickness with many people in real life and am far shyer than I let on. I don't know many people at church, because half the time I don't go. I'm pretty sick to where I just stay at home mostly, or hang around my own immediate family.
They do have healing sessions at my church and I probably should start going again. They use oil too! I just don't feel comfortable about asking other people to group around me and pray. That is just me, I've always been highly reserved and the idea makes me uncomfortable to be honest. 1. Overcoming sickness often entails doing things we don't feel comfortable doing. 2. When we are depressed often being with other believers helps. You need them and they need you. That's why we're admonished to assemble with other believers in the New Testament. 3. James doesn't say the anointing must be done in church but by the elders. They should be willing to anoint you at any time and wherever it's convenient to do so. I've learned alot from sickness, but loathe it at the sametime. Me too, like our loving Father chastened me to the point of a 24 hr coma at one time when by underestmating his mercy I really thought I was going to die. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/skullbones.gif" alt="" /> I feel my life is rather "pointless". 1. Begin praying to the Father in the name of Jesus. 2. Pray each morning to the Father to provide your needs, keep you well and strong and protect you from all harm and loss both spiritually and physically. 3. Reach out in prayer on behalf of all other believers on your list praying the same for them. You can do this without naming each one. This is because we should love other as we love ourselves as the commandment states. 4. Go to a sound evangelical church once a week. 5. Exercise (preferably via productive work) 5 or 6 days and rest on the Sabbath. 6. Faithfully follow the nutrition regimin including lots of raw fresh greens, minerals (especially magnesium) Bcomplex, and other suppliments which pertain to the nerves, brain and circulation. Get a acid test tape from the local pet store and test the urine regularly. Adjust diet to slightly alkaline on the tape. Make sure your colen is clean by keeping regular. If not regular always have a good herbal cleanse to keep things moving. Magnesium helps this also. An unhealthy bowel can be very depressing. Are you into probiotics? On any drugs? 7. Have a private morning prayer time each morning. 8. Read at least one chapter of OT or NT scripture each day studiously and faithfully. 9. Stay out of debt other than mortgage you can afford. (very depressing) If you're in debt refuse to go deeper and work to pay off one at a time. .......but have eggs and meat too. I could fast a bit sure, but done it before to no real avail. I feel quite comfortable with the diet I am already on to be honest and it's been hard enough for me to gain a bit of weight as it is. I don't feel ok about getting anymore restrictive than I already am. I feel I require the protein from the meat and eggs. I CANNOT eat fruit, i have tried and it's disastrous. It just feeds the candida. I've been underweight all my life due to a bad start and poor digestive system but have lots of energy and vitality in spite of it. I'm about 5'9" tall and have never weighed over 125. I don't try to gain and at 72 can work circles around some younger ones, thanks to the mercies of God, working at nutrition and exercise. I wouldn't over do the proteins. Often what you crave the most is what you have too much of. I assume you use organic meats and eggs. I'd avoid red meats and any prepared ones, especially with nitrites. Vegies are better than fruits anyhow imo. Unsweetened chocolate powder is a good perkerupper and healthful. I mix with barley green powder and glutamine powder every am mixed with a little Rolling Rock beer and a healthful sweetner to taste. Well I'm not a doc and am not prescribing anything to heal you. I'm just sharing what has worked for me, our two boys and my wife over the past 40+ years.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/23/07 11:43 AM
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Well Bex, I think your relapse pretty much indicates that brain mercury wasn't the main reason for your problems. Mercury can't regrow on its own, but pathogens can (when immunity is down). I also got similar reactions to fish oil as with ALA (but less powerful), which is also known to pass BBB. But fish oil is not known for chelating mercury. The fish oil must be of good quality to pass BBB, you must have that E before EPA and DHA, that is E-EPA and E-DHA for it to pass the BBB more easily. I also had the possibility to test a cheaper fish oil which did not have the E. The difference was quite big. Not the same feeling of spaciness from the cheaper fish oil.
So, the next question is then - is it the candida in the brains that causes the problems? It appears so. I also got a good indication from a mercury story (a link i posted here earlier in another thread ) that when your immunity is down, it takes the candida only a couple of months to invade your body, including the brains, when immunity is seriously compromised. To finish them off will take much longer, several years, and it is then also possible only when you get your immunity back. Otherwise the yeast will keep coming, even faster than you are able to chelate it out. Of course you can use ALA under the impression that it is mercury you chelate out, and it will still work, but knowing exactly what happens is helpful.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/23/07 04:47 PM
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Well, you maybe right. Certainly these brain symptoms and other problems only started after the infections. So if mercury "is" involved here, obviously it is only because I'm much more vulnerable to it from having a lower immunity and complications from the other issues (infection).
The thing is, you can have mercury and be in a stronger position to deal with it and not notice its effects as much. Then your immunity can be hammered by something unrelated and suddenly the effects from the mercury can show up.
It's not that I think mercury can "grow", but that there could have been remaining mercury (brain included) that I was not aware of because I did not have these other problems back then. I would be far more vulnerable now to remaining mercury than I was then.
But again, yes pathogens too could be doing this, the whole deal. Problem is, it is unlikely that I will just get to the bottom of all this and get rid of these underlying problems like complicated infections and ones that I have no clear diagnosis for. This virus for instance has not improved one bit since I got it years ago, it is something i have to live my life around. Not the same as mercury, as least I was able to chelate that out!
But again, it won't hurt to do a trial of ALA at some point and if I notice anything, it may well be brain mercury. ALA is the one to get it out of there and I have never done any regular ALA chelating, so it's possible there is some still there. ALA does not appear to help candida by the way, I'm on other forums where people chelate with it regularly and find it makes matters worse and they discuss ways of trying to treat yeast more effectively during ALA chelation. Even though it raises glutathione, there is something else it has that is problematic for yeast issues.
I know I have serious yeast problems, because one alcoholic coffee with milk causes such a massive relapse. It's like living on a knife edge in a way.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/23/07 04:59 PM
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Thanks Buzsaw, I appreciate your thoughtful and faith-filled suggestions. Right now, the last thing I can do is exercise 5-6 times a week, you have to understand I suffer from a pretty serious virus that I've had for years now and cannot exercise normally without getting far sicker. This is something i have to monitor very carefully. It's hard for people to understand who can exercise, even with mercury (which i was once able to do). Now, even an extended walk, or going slightly too fast or doing a few push ups, or too often can do a lot of harm to me. And right now I am severely exhausted. probiotics, very expensive and didn't appear to help. I have done the ph testing thing too. I think I can limit my protein intake to a point. I do get organic eggs, and the meat is New Zealand, so is pretty good anyway. I cannot use many things that other people can use that help them. Things are far more complicated than they once more, it's taken me this long to figure out a diet that I can actually handle. What works for one may not work for another I guess and deviating from my diet, usually brings disastrous consequences. Good on you at age 72 for being in the condition you're in, thanks to your prayer life, your own efforts, patience and hard work. That's wonderful and something of an inspiration to the younger generation. My Father is 76 and is in better condition than me <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> but again he does not have what I have either. I make more health efforts than he does, he still eats sugars etc, but he's taken onboard a few of my suggestions and doing well (eating more salads, having healthier salt, etc). He can run circles around me, but as I said, he's never really ailed very much. But in his older years, he began to notice a few problems starting, so he's taken stock of himself and made some helpful changes. Both of us are pretty health conscious now and have to me. him due to his age, me due to my ongoing health challenges that really never cease. The best I get is gaining a little bit more "control" over them.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/23/07 05:11 PM
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I drink milk everyday Bex, or every other day... not much, maybe a cup, but I use heavy cream in my tea all day long and it doesn't hamper me a bit.
I don't think it's the milk or cream, for me anyway... but the coffee... with a good dose of bailey's in there... bad combo. I can drink a plain beer and be fine, so it's not a little bit of alcohol alone either, it's the combination. Although, if I drink plain coffee, 2 cups, without any alcohol I'll be sorry for the next few days. I usually use honey or another natural sweetner in my tea, stevia, whatever.
The coffee the coffee the coffee. I think also some alcpholic beverages have high levels of preservatives, Baileys with the cream would fit that category real well. White wine and i do not mix either. I have never drank much white wine, even when i was younger, has never agreed with me. And certain types of bottled beer will make me barf too. The first one I ever drank, a beer at about the age of 16, oh yeah i barfed real good... so it's been an ongoing issue of things that simply do not agree with me here, and never have, can't really pinpoint it on mercury or anything else. I think that's normal. Not everything agrees with everyone, my daughter who is quite healthy, will not east certain things either, I don't force her, but some of those items are some of my favorite foods, like hommous, cilantro now, squashes, other stuff I forget. She loves lamb but she doesn't know it because she says she hates lamb so I always tell her it's beef and she begs for more. funny. has to be marinated just right though. Pickles are her favorite food, she lives on them in the summer. I make them fresh for her, saves me a lot of cooking time if I make a big bunch. We have one last jar of summer pickles in the fridge yet, they are still good, been marinating in the brine for months, real garlicky.. real good for the stomach. I have been making pickled ginger too. Stomach helpers.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/23/07 05:27 PM
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HI sosick, not for me. For me, I'm not sure about milk. It seems coincidental that a few times I added it to my beverages things got worse again.....so I tend to leave it out.
I was having coffee a few times recently with no milk/sugar and wasn't too bad. Didn't seem to do much, until I had the milk and alcohol added. Then I was hit.
I know that a symptom of mercury can be alcohol sensitivity if I'm not mistaken. Becoming easily affected. But again, mercury can cause this with anything (foods and all). There are people who chelate mercury and find their food sensitivities start to improve and even disappear in some cases.
But again alcohol is often used by mercury toxic people to offset the effets of the mercury. For me, anytime I drank, it seemed to remove much of the fear and shyness and allow me to engage with others easier. Not something I would like to rely upon! And the effects from the alcohol itself was pain enough to find that out.
I used to get away with a looser candida diet, like having milk, fruit, non gluten grain. I was fine with all of them. But now, even those natural sweeteners and high carbs are quite diastrous to me. I have had to adjut my diet according to my circumstances. And different times in ones life, different way the body may respond, different needs. require us to make changes to fit in with that. What may have worked or been ok once for me, is no longer the case now.
Milk contains lactose, natural sugar and is no better for me than fructose from fruit, just feeds my yeast and at the moment it is getting out of control with very little. As with potatoes, I cannot eat any. Cheese included. I learn as I go along, but it's not easy.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/25/07 10:01 PM
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Hi Bex. Yes, ALA is known to cause yeast problems, but I don't associate these problems with feeding the yeast. I got itching on scalp (where I definitely had candida) and on places where I used to have eczema, when using ALA. This isn't anything major, lasted perhaps a few hours and then it was gone. Itching is also on the list of side-effects from anti-fungal drugs. The point is that killing candida leaves behind proteins, and other stuff that may cause allergic reactions. Killing candida definitely also leaves behind candida toxins like aldehydes in bloodstream, which are a great burden to the liver. It's not a wonder then that people get damaged liver from taking powerful anti-fungals, or even otherwise. And with each round of ALA, the symptoms get easier for me, so this process of using ALA doesn't at least make the candida worse for me, I would say the opposite. The power with ALA is that it goes everywhere, including the brains, nothing gets spared, it is detox at best.
I'm surprised that you didn't use ALA, even Andy says ALA is essential while DMSA is not. He even said this again this month on the FDC forum ("ALA alone is as fast as you're going to go, the rest only speed it up a bit"), so he hasn't changed his mind. It's a great mistake not to try it, if I would be allowed only one supplement it would be ALA. The rest of the supplements have been *insignificant* compared to it for me. Without it, you can't really rid yourself of your mental problems and brain fog easily. But on the other hand, in your present condition it won't work very well, because you got to solve your root cause first, before starting to chelate, I'm sure you wont tolerate the toxins coming from that process. Your fast liver phase1/slow phase2 may even be caused by the candida toxins leaking out constantly. I think your situation is pretty serious, but frankly speaking I don't know yet what could be done about it. Well Molybdenum is known to aid in aldehyde detox, but this can only be a minor and temporary aid.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/25/07 11:45 PM
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Hi pgm, yeah I understand the die off symptoms with candida, but I do not know of any direct antifungal component of ALA, aside from the fact it raises glutathione....
From what I understand, because it's also chelating metals and is also a powerful antioxidant and great for the liver, in the long run it would likely help yeast issues because it's ridding the person of toxicity...
But in the short term, I do hear it is problematic with yeast. Not "die off", but rather flare ups/feeding. I am only reporting what others have experienced and what Andy seems to indicate too. He feels it's to do with the sulfur or something.
At any rate, there are some contradictory opinions on this and I really am not qualified enough to be able to know personally.
The reason I did not use ALA (in hindsight I'm surprised I didn't), was because the DMSA alone was causing more than enough detox symptoms in me, that I did not wish to take it any further. HOwever, when I felt that I was improving or even on my way to full recovery, I did not feel the need to use ALA.
There are some people who do get well on DMSA alone, it seems to depend where the mercury is stored.
However, it is highly likely that I was not as detoxed as I thought. Hard to say, but certainly from viral infection etc later on, I plummeted very fast and I was far more suspeptible to yeast and I believe any remaining mercury that was left behind. Suddenly symptoms were much more apparent. I did not really get into ALA, I was dealing with the horrific symptoms the virus brought me and did not think mercury was significant.
REcently, finding out I had leftover amalgam all that time was a shock to me. As tiny as it was, apparently even a small amount can cause big issues in healing from this condition and that makes me wonder too!
It is fully out now and I am relieved on that front. I am dealing with yeast, taking stuff for possible parasites at the moment and may later give ALA a go. I don't feel "too" bad at the moment (cross fingers).
I do not know whether this is due to the parasite cleansing OR because every little bit of amalgam is GONE....hard to say. PErhaps combination of diet, parasite cleanse and absolutely zero amalgam!
I am also paying my dental materials off, so not much left over to go get ALA. But will do hopefully in the future. Will let you know what happens when I try it. I do know that brain mercury can cause ongoing yeast issues, so that's another thing I'm wondering about.
Yes my situation is serious because it's multi factoral and I think there are a few on here that have the same problem. A number of things going on at onetime and trying to get into a position of treating as many as you can in the hopes of symptom relief and improvements. It is not easy to strike a balance to where you feel a bit of relief.
Everything seems to come into play, diet, supplement support, parasite/yeast control/cleansing, chelation, thorough dental work, cavitation clean ups (if needed), reducing intake of external as well as internal toxins, replacing amalgam with biocompatible dental materials. So much often needs to be done to help a person. One thing may not make enough difference if in this type of situation. If there is ongoing stubborn health problems, it's a case of trying to address each issue even if you're not sure if it's the cause in hopes that you'll hit the jackpot or near enough to. It may take more than one issue to be addressed before the body responds better.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/26/07 11:02 PM
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Hi Bex. Yes, increasing glutathione is enough to kill yeast. It works on any pathogens, if the immune system can just reach them. This explains the success with the whey protein (whose main function is to raise glutathione) to treat chronically ill people, who may not have ever even been exposed to mercury in their life. They most often also get Herx reactions to raising glutathione.
The success behind DMSA cannot be ignored either. It can be explained if glutathione is depleted; then the body is unable to detox mercury on its own and DMSA is helpful to get the body on its feet again. If glutathione is depleted, the body burden of mercury tends to be high, but it may be low too, if there has not been any exposure. Some have such a weak immune system that they get glutathione depletion even without mercury. Other toxins than mercury can naturally cause glutathione depletion, such as methanol and formaldehyde. Pathogen accumulation happens always where there is glutathione depletion, candida being among the first. I've also seen that color blindness is one sign of poor mercury excretion. It must be said that DMSA is not useful for everyone either, but ALA appears to be more useful for most people.
If you only used DMSA, did you improve on your mental problems? You are not fully healed if you didn't get away with your shyness and all that. I now know that these are curable, and NOT a part of a normal person's mind. I suspect the cause is candida, and their location is brains for this disorder, because of the reactions to all agents that are known to pass blood brain barrier (for me), some of them known chelate to mercury, but some not. The spaciness and dizzyness from ALA chelation is really a candida symptom, which is also described as a symptom from systemic anti-fungals as well (if you look around a little).
If your dental restoration was helpful, you should feel detox reactions by now, given that your candida situation is really bad. It hit me really hard on the third day after my removal, and continued for months.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/27/07 01:02 AM
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Hi Pgm, interesting. Yes I have definitely heard of success with undenatured whey protein on a candida forum! In fact, there is someone on there that works in alternative health that highly recommends it for raising glutathione and helping with candida. His main supplement recommendations appear to be whey protein, selenium, cod liver oil, prebiotics (moreso apparently than probiotics), vitamin C etc, alongside the specific candida diet. His recommendations appear to be helping many people.
He does recommend NAC and ALA too if I recall. Problem is, those with mercury can have big issues taking these two products and can in some cases wind up injured because of massive mercury mobilisation. They must be used with caution and at the right time in the right way.
I assume that my shyness is mercury and candida related too. I don't believe it's just "me", when i look back I see physical symptoms, not just the "mental" ones and learning disability and short attention span as a kid, along with some hyperactivity etc.
DMSA appeared to improve many mental symptoms, but not all. I don't believe that all mental symptoms are brain related, as liver toxicity can cause "mental type symptoms". Not all physical symptoms are "physical" but can be brain mercury too. It's hard to differentiate sometimes. E.g. liver toxicity can cause mental symptoms, brain toxicity can cause physical symptoms. Andy outlined this somewhere too.
But brain mercury can also of course cause brain symptoms. Definitely I do not feel I am completely detoxed of mercury and certain not if there has been a tiny bit of remaning amalgam left under my top composites all this time.
I can imagine that some symptoms from ALA is from candida, but also from mercury. Mercury also crosses the blood brain barrier and moving mercury back and forth can cause plenty of symptoms. Hopefully some of that mercury will come out in the process though.
Not sure if the dental restoration has been helpful in regards to the last bit of amalgam being removed. It's hard to say. I feel something has happened, but that could be related to the parasite cleanse or the bit of DMSA chelation I did. Though I felt NO detox symptoms from the DMSA chelation this time, so assumed it wasn't doing anything. Perhaps I assumed wrong! or the parasite cleanse has helped me (or maybe a combination of all factors and perhaps having more biocompatible dental materials put in too). I cannot say which one is helping.
However, I still have to watch my diet. I have unfortunately had some cheats over Christmas, which i swore I would not do....but it does not seem to have been so traumatic this time. perhaps that's a good sign. However, I'm back on track and am not holding my breath because candida die off may kick in and I may find myself going through a few symptoms yet!
It is a vicious cycle for sure. Gluathione depletion from what? Gotta wonder where it started. Mercury? candida? Other problems which allowed these two to take over? Or vice versa? I don't know if anybody will ever know the answers completely, but certainly they should all be addressed in my opinion.
DMSA only seems to help if there is a recent exposure of mercury and mercury in areas where DMSA can reach properly (extra cellular mercury)...otherwise it may not be all that helpful and here's where ALA comes in. It can reach the intracellular mercury and that is what I'm hopeful for in myself (if there is enough mercury there causing a problem).
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/27/07 01:06 PM
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Hi Bex. Yes, this guy on the candida forum you mentioned appears to know what he's doing. ALA and NAC are the most powerful conventional supplements to raise glutathione, and they can be dangerous for some people, if taken too early in the process. First, use softer methods like C, E, selenium to destroy the most easily accessible candida. I've heard you can get pretty horrible candida detox symptoms from taking too much vit C alone. And I have to say that this was so true for me at least. Although selenium may sound innocent, it may not be that innocent either. I'm still getting some detox symptoms from selenium, even if I take very little of it (10-15 micrograms), so I assume that taking it too early in the process would have been a bad idea. However, everyone still has to try out for themselves what the effects are. You can try out anything with little or no risk provided that you are careful in how much you take at a time. 1/4-1/8 of normal dose is a good rule of thumb when you start out to test something new. It all depends on how much candida or mercury you have around, when you start out. Raising glutathione will still affect both the mercury and pathogens, so you might not know which symptoms belong to which. But I'm starting to get a touch on what candida toxins cause, by reading on the sites about candida. I also listen to the people who have not had any amalgams so you can factor out the mercury as the cause. You will still end up with symptoms that are pretty similar to what mercury toxic people have.
Mercury is very offensive on the body's glutathione, I think it is the most potent toxin around for that, because not only does it use it up (like ordinary toxins do), but it also disturbs the biochemistry required for manufacturing it.
If you have a viral infection, I would take selenium, because there are some papers that claim that selenium deficiency makes you more susceptible to ordinary viruses that causes no trouble for normal people. This is likely because of selenium's role in the manufacturing of the glutathione peroxidase enzyme which has some anti-viral properties, which prevents viruses from transforming themselves to more dangerous forms in your body.
I started wondering about the detox pages regarding aspartame, when I realized that it must be people who suffer from candida/mercury and they noticed that aspartame makes their symptoms worse. Aspartame breaks down into methanol and further to formaldehyde which consumes glutathione for detox. People already deficient in glutathione will get even sicker from this.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/29/07 05:15 PM
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Hi Pgm, sorry I didn't respond to this sooner. Sometimes I forget! Well the guy whom I thought had recommended the NAC, appears to have changed his mind. Check this link out http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/glutathione-references.htmlCertianly there have been adverse responses to cysteine and NAC and very bad ones in mercury toxicity. I woudln't put all that down to "candida" die off personally, but I don't doubt it's part of it. For those that don't have amalgams and get these symptoms...does not mean mercury is not involved. There have been a few on here with no amaglams who believe they are mercury toxic by other means, it can happen. Though I'm not disputing that there are those whose symptoms are mainly from the candida...however you have to wonder why the candida is overgrown in the first place? what usually causes overgrowth? mercury, antibiotics, viruses? I'll stick to the vitamin C, E and selenium (and maybe milk thistle) I think. I may get undenatured whey later on, see how I go. Another thing I am again concerned about is. Appears to be a problem after dental visists, which is why I keep thinking it's mercury vapor. Everytime I exercise, even applying some strength (not all that much), I wind up with chest constriction and pain. At the moment, I have been struggling since doing a bit of exercise and can barely move my upper body for pain. Breathing hurts, moving hurts. The chest is very tight and painful, a bit like being winded too but not. The last visit appeared to do the same thing. And I was reading about mercury vapor inhalation and it mentioned tightness in the chest, trouble breathing etc and asthma too I think (which I've also had since).... Looks like chelation is the only option left if that is the case. It's awful to think that just walking into a dental office is such a high risk for me and those like me.
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/29/07 07:25 PM
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Hi Bex. Yes, np I tend to forget to look sometimes at all threads too, because I visit many other forums as well (good execuse, yeah:))
But yes, NAC has some downsides too, it's not ideal in all respects to raise glutathione (even though many appear to recommend it) and I haven't tried it myself. Cysteine in itself is also slightly toxic when in bloodstream (and so is also NAC), and may cause side-effects, especially in larger doses (which is what you still need). Whey protein on the other hand is a good choice, if you don't have an allergy to whey.
Regarding the chest pain, hard to say, I've also had it sometimes, and especially when I chelate. If you have a problem with your lungs and chest pain, it could be pleurisy (pleuritis). It is an inflammation, and causes chest pain and shortness of breath. It causes the outside layer around your lungs to fill with too much fluid, and you can get a fever, and this layer may have to be punctured to get it out. I know something about this, because my father ended up in hospital because of this, not so long time ago, where he also backfired from antibiotics. He still survived the incident, but only barely. One possible cause is a viral infection, and pleurisy has been described as a symptom of mercury poisoning. It is not a serious condition usually, but for those with a poor immune system it could lead to something worse of course (like fever).
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Re: More toxic after visit to dental office...
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12/31/07 02:43 PM
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I would say that whatever ongoing infections you have get worse after exposing yourself to mercury fumes or other toxins like cigarette smoke (which consumes glutathione for detox). The body needs all the glutathione it has to keep things even somehow under control in your body (the immune system needs it badly for its functions). So definitely don't ever smoke, drink soft drinks that contain aspartame etc, and don't eat or drink anything other toxic that uses up too much glutathione.. I'd say your slow phase 2 liver metabolism is at least partly a consequence of having too little glutathione around for detoxing. Have you tried supplements that make phase 2 work better (glycine, NAC, taurine, etc.)? http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/treat/T355089.htmlI'm also seriously starting to get interested in molybdenum/panthetine for detoxing aldehydes from candida, because I tend to end up in a half-drugged state, for a day or two after using lots of ALA, the toxin release is that big. Often the supplements which makes us feel better are those which gets liver to work better, because it is the organ that is most heavily involved in detoxing.
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