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Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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01/09/08 01:37 PM
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(by Kevin Trudeau) Hello All: Anyone else read this book? What do you think? Really want to hear your feedback. I have read Huggins, Cutler, and dozens of other books on my journey through mercury hell. IMHO this is a must read! It will blow your mind. All those other books are worth reading for sure, but this book, to me, pulls all the pieces together. Though I don't like how Kevin says he will not sell products in this book copyrighted 2004, and products are all over his website now in 2008, I still have to say this book is fantastic. I am not selling anything here, but I would like anyone willing to, to read this book, apply what he is saying and see if you heal. I WANT TO KNOW IF WHAT HE SAYS IS THE TRUTH. If so, the whole world needs to know. If you haven't, please get a copy at http://www.naturalcures.com/ for like $15. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thanks.gif" alt="" /> TW
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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01/11/08 06:41 PM
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Yes, mikey - I have 2nd edition also, so anybody who might buy, please buy the latest version. You know, mikey, I been thinking there are probably a lot of great people that work for the food and drug industry that would not do anything bad, but usually it is a few people who really stand to gain that cause great, big problems. And I hate to admit it, I love a lot of food Kevin Trudea does not agree with. These are great American Companies! My goal would be to see them take out bad ingredients and take it into healthy realm. Of course, that could wreck the taste, but I think I would rather be healthy.
Sunshine - thanks for reminding me, and everyone please pardon my mercury mangled memory! I usually use Amazon, and buy best used, but cheapest copies. Great way to check out a lot of books cheap, and if you really like a book, then maybe buy a hardcover. I think I saw these books on there for less than $5 (plus shipping). I did not buy this book yet, as I borrowed a copy when I visited my parents up north. Funny thing is I think I bought this for my dad as a X-Mas gift a couple years back, and forgot to ask him if I could read it. Then, when I am visiting, I see it. Fate? Or just poor memory again?
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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01/12/08 08:13 PM
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could it be B12? good book!
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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01/12/08 08:27 PM
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Hmm, I'd be wary of this guy "Kevin Trudeau". You might want to read this quote: WHAT KEVIN TRUDEAU DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW.
The author of the bestselling "Natural Cures 'They' Don't Want You to Know About" claims to be a consumer advocate in the Ralph Nader mold. But the infomercial king just wants your cash.
By Christopher Dreher
Many a late-night channel surfer has been numbed to sleep by endless infomercials hawking ab machines, penis enlargers, psychic readings and baldness cures. But how about a 30-minute faux talk show featuring a slick "expert author" who promises natural cures for cancer, diabetes and chronic fatigue syndrome and who claims that the FDA, drug companies and food industry have withheld such cures from the public in order to keep making bigger and bigger profits?
Step right up folks, and tune in to the paranoid world of master huckster Kevin Trudeau, whose book "Natural Cures 'They' Don't Want You to Know About" climbed to the top spot on the New York Times bestseller list for advice titles last weekend. The Federal Trade Commission virtually banned Trudeau from the airwaves last year in an attempt to "shut down an infomercial empire that has misled American consumers for years." But by shifting his business model from selling supposed cure-all products to peddling books, which are protected by the First Amendment, Trudeau has been able to slip past federal regulators and continue to sell snake oil to the masses -- first through his infomercial and now via mainstream book retailers like Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble.
Reno R. Rollé, an executive consultant who handles U.S. retail and international distribution for "Natural Cures," says the book has sold nearly 3 million copies since the infomercial debuted in September 2004, and he sees no end in sight to its success. "No one knows where this thing is going to max out. We're just printing as many books as we can," Rollé says. "We're poised to make history here. What we're doing could revolutionize the book publishing industry."
Even before hitting the bestseller list, Trudeau, who is in his early 40s, had built a billion-dollar empire as a prolific infomercialteer, selling various health and self-improvement products under the cover of night. This despite a two-year stint in federal prison in the early '90s after pleading guilty to credit card fraud, and a 1996 tangle with the Illinois attorney general, who accused him of running a pyramid scheme while working for a health-products company called Nutrition for Life. Trudeau and a co-defendant settled that case, paying $185,000 to Illinois and seven other states; during that time, the U.S. Postal Service and Securities and Exchange Commission also investigated his business dealings.
A close look at Trudeau's later run-in with the FTC, in 1998, during which he and seven cohorts were accused of making "false or unsubstantiated" claims in advertisements on radio and television infomercials, sheds much needed light on his character and says a lot about how seriously (or not) we should take "Natural Cures." Ads for the "Sable Hair Farming System," Trudeau's own "Mega Memory System," "Doctor Callahan's Addiction Breaking System," "Action Reading," "Eden's Secret Nature's Purifying Product" and "Howard Berg's Mega Reading" all came under scrutiny they could not withstand.
"We're going to be sharing Dr. Callahan's revolutionary breakthrough that he discovered while studying quantum physics," the addiction infomercial went, before claiming that the system cured compulsive eating, as well as alcohol, cocaine and heroin addiction, and led to weight loss without dieting or exercise. "This technique will take 60 seconds to apply and works virtually 100 percent of the time," the FTC noted as another claim. It said that the "videotape sold in the infomercial showed Dr. Callahan demonstrating his technique -- a series of gestures, including tapping the face, chest and hand; rolling the eyes; and humming, which, if mimicked, were the supposed addiction cure." The claims were false, according to the FTC.
Another Trudeau product, "Howard Berg's Mega Reading," offered a home study program guaranteed to boost reading speed and comprehension 10 times over. "I have a letter here from a girl who has brain damage," Berg confided in another infomercial. "She was in a car accident and half her brain stopped functioning. It was electrically dead." According to the FTC, "he then claimed that after using his system for a brief period -- as long as a coffee break -- her reading speed increased from three to 600 words per minute..." Not surprisingly, the FTC deemed the Berg program bogus as well.
And Trudeau's own "Mega Memory System," which asserted that everyone has an innate photographic memory that could be tapped into with his help, was unmasked too. To show how fraudulent the system was, the FTC cited snippets of the infomercial, such as: "Kevin Trudeau's breakthrough techniques were developed while working with blind and mentally handicapped students. Their recall ability increased from 15% to 90% in just 5 days," as well as the infomercial's claim that the system was "guaranteed to work for you."
In the end, Trudeau settled the case; he was fined $500,000 in consumer redress and warned against making false product claims in the future. But this didn't deter him. In 2003, the FTC charged Trudeau once more, this time citing another product, Coral Calcium Supreme. The FTC argued that claims made in Trudeau's infomercial by Dr. Robert "Bob" Barefoot that calcium derived from coral reefs near Okinawa, Japan, could treat or cure cancer and other ills -- such as multiple sclerosis and heart disease -- went far beyond existing scientific evidence concerning the health benefits of calcium. Trudeau settled that case as well. But this time, in addition to being fined $2 million, he was also banned from "appearing in, producing, or disseminating future infomercials that advertise any type of product, service, or program to the public" forever.
Afterward, Trudeau loudly complained that the FTC was censoring him and started a Web site called The Whistleblower, on which he tries to fashion himself as a new Ralph Nader -- a selfless consumer advocate opposing powerful institutions and defending regular folk. But Trudeau's claims of persecution and martyrdom are hard to swallow for many. "He wasn't censored -- that's just total fantasy," says Dr. Stephen Barrett, a health-fraud expert who runs a network of watchdog Web sites, including Quackwatch. "What's happened is that he's just not allowed to sell products with false claims. That's the only censorship going on."
"Trudeau is the undisputed king of false infomercial advertising," he continues. Barrett's alarm over Trudeau's tactics heightened with the coral calcium infomercial. "It was just one lie after another, all orchestrated by Trudeau," Barrett says. He isn't any more impressed by Trudeau's current infomercial for the bestselling "Natural Cures 'They' Don't Want You to Know About."
The book, which Trudeau self-published, is a paranoid mixture of self-evident and widely known health facts with very few, if any, natural cures. It is almost amusingly campy -- except that the information is so odd, and alarmist. "Natural Cures" is poorly sourced and peppered with jaw-dropping absurdities, such as "The sun does not cause cancer. Sun block has been shown to cause cancer" or "All over-the-counter nonprescription drugs and prescription drugs CAUSE illness and disease." Or, this tribute to logic and language: "If you read the labels of everything you put in your mouth, you would see the name [sic] of various chemicals. All the chemicals listed are dangerous man-made chemicals. They are poisons. If you were to take any of those chemicals and ingest a large amount at one time, you would probably die. Therefore they are in fact poisons."
His prose style mimics the gibberish favored by online spam advertisements, and he frequently uses SCREAM CAPS to emphasize OBVIOUS POINTS. At one point, Trudeau implies that he was an undercover government agent and that, because of his inside knowledge, the government and powerful corporations are out to get him -- though he doesn't share what any of his highly prized knowledge is. And always lurking somewhere is the nefarious "They" of the book's title -- the FDA and the FTC, who are in cahoots with the drug companies, which hold back the real natural cures because they won't make any money if you're healthy.
On every page, he stokes the paranoia and anger generated by recent high-profile corporate and government scandals, as well as the ire against the health insurance and pharmaceutical industries. But don't worry, not only will his book save you, but you can also go to his Web site, NaturalCures.com, for more information and for the "real cures," all for a lifetime membership of $499 or a monthly fee of just $9.95. In essence, the infomercial sells the book, which sells the Web site --which nets Trudeau tons of money.
But there's nothing strictly illegal about Trudeau and "Natural Cures." Heather Hippsley, assistant director for the division of advertising practices at the FTC, who supervised the commission's case against Trudeau, explains: "Books are fully protected speech. He can author a book and voice his opinions ... The line is: Informational materials, OK. Products and services, banned."
Peer-review systems -- like the one in place on Amazon.com -- do their best work in warning potential buyers of bad or faulty products. On the Amazon site, over 500 people have weighed in on "Natural Cures" so far. Yet, although reviews have been almost overwhelmingly negative -- in Amazon's "star rating" scheme, the book is averaging a two -- sales haven't slowed. Despite headlines like "'Scams they don't want you to know about"; "Trudeau is worse than the drug companies!"; "Left feeling totally duped"; "Natural Cures he Contiunous [sic] Not to Tell U About"; and "The Book Just Simply Sucks," "Natural Cures" hovers at the top of the Amazon bestseller list week after week.
Indeed, all the negative Amazon reviews in the world probably won't keep people from checking out "Natural Cures." "What's driving sales is not people buying the book but people buying the infomercial," says Sam Catanese, president and CEO of Infomercial Monitoring Service, which tracks the direct-response television marketing industry. In fact, according to Catanese's data, "Natural Cures" was recently the most-run infomercial on television -- 139 times in one week. (The runner-up was a distant second, appearing 96 times.)
As for the television broadcasters' responsibilities in this issue, they've turned a blind eye to Trudeau and his type. "[The Federal Communications Commission] has never been inclined to take anyone's licenses away because the industry they nominally regulate actually regulates them," says Todd Gitlin, a professor of journalism and sociology at Columbia University. "The industry is too powerful to contend with, and regulation is largely farcical, except when there's political teeth biting, as in the case of Janet Jackson."
It was Reno Rollé who initially urged Trudeau to combine his extensive experience in infomercials with the book business. "I suggested he focus less on hard products, ingestibles, and more on information and newsletters," he says. "That way he could find a safe harbor under First Amendment protections." They teamed up to see if, and how, it would work. "No one knew how a book would behave," he says. "Initially we treated the book as just a product that shouldn't behave differently than a stomach exerciser or kitchen utensils." It's a strategy that paid off handsomely.
"The infomercial business is very standardized," Rollé continues. "You put the product on TV first to create awareness and sell a large number of 'units.' Then, after a period of time, you pull trigger and head out to retail." And once a product hits retail, as "Natural Cures" did just four weeks ago, Rollé says, the industry standard is to sell two to 10 times as many "units" as were sold on TV.
Although Rollé could not give figures about the amount of advertising time being purchased for "Natural Cures," one source in the direct-response industry who asked not to be named estimated that Trudeau is spending a million dollars a week on national cable and could also be spending another half a million on broadcast channels. The source suggested that Trudeau's return from that investment would be about $2 million to $4 million a week. "He's got the formula down and he knows how to trick people," says the source. "And he's got enough money to do it. The FTC can't stop him because the amount they fine him is nothing compared to what he takes in."
Besides reader complaints on Amazon, there's other evidence that buyers of "Natural Cures" are feeling ripped off. Tim Young, an Alabama-based publisher of community maps and local directories, has had trouble for the last four months because Trudeau's marketing company that "publishes" "Natural Cures" chose the same name as his business, Alliance Publishing Group. Young has received hundreds and hundreds of calls about the book from booksellers, distributors and agents -- but mostly from angry readers. "I don't even answer my phone anymore if I don't recognize the number," Young says. "I'm getting all this e-mail from people who are pissed off because they bought the book for cures and there's no real info in the book and they have to go to a Web site and pay money to learn anything."
Trudeau isn't hoping to cash in on only one book, either. A few months before "Natural Cures" was released for retail sale, Trudeau contacted publishing giant HarperCollins about an early-'90s version of his infomercial spin-off "Mega Memory" book, which was on their backlist. HarperCollins has repackaged the book to resemble Trudeau's current bestseller and it will be re-released in mid-August, when "Natural Cures" will certainly still be hot. HarperCollins has also slapped "As Seen on TV!" and "By the bestselling author of Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About" prominently on the book's cover.
The FTC's Hippsley told Salon that while her agency will continue to keep a careful eye on Trudeau's publishing activities, the Constitution does offer him protection. "He can put that book out there, and if consumers choose to purchase it, that's lawful. Unfortunately, there are individuals out there whose career is to do consumer frauds."
But some First Amendment experts point out that there are limits. "Nobody has a right to engage in fraud, even when the fraud takes the form of speech," says Richard H. Fallon, a professor of constitutional law at Harvard Law School. "What, if any, laws does someone break when [engaging] in false or misleading speech? Generally none, because the First Amendment wouldn't allow punishment for [that]. But one of the exceptions is that false and misleading speech can be prohibited or prevented when that speech is closely tied to commercial activity," he says.
Meanwhile, Trudeau recently filed a lawsuit himself -- against the FTC. In it, he maintains that its September 2004 press release announcing his ban from infomercials contained false and misleading information, implying that Trudeau was banned from all infomercials and didn't distinguish his literary allowances.
Trudeau continues to spin his career as a struggle against the censorship of a vengeful FTC and the tyranny of legal groups that won't let him lie in commercials or bilk consumers. But now, Trudeau is shooting even higher than emulating Ralph Nader. He recently told BrandWeek, "Rosa Parks and Cesar Chavez and Gandhi and Martin Luther King" are the figures he looks to for inspiration. We can only hope he has less success than those civil rights heroes
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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01/12/08 08:39 PM
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I don't know about his cures book, but personally have two friends two doors down who are benefitting tremendously from his "weight loss cure" book. He's lost 47 lbs and she's lost 21 lbs. The book really emphasizes removing toxins from your body and suggests almost everything we talk about on this website, bowel, parasite cleanses, dental clean up, etc. So...my two cents...it's what you get out of it and don't be so sure that people don't get upset when they learn that they actually have to DO something to get well. People want to take a pill for everything and just like the mercury controversy, don't think for one second those big corporations are just going to sit there while he bashes them. I don't condone or approve of all infomercial type tactics, but he does have good info and he does know how to make a buck and for that, he's living the american dream and I cannot fault him for.
Gabriella
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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01/13/08 11:34 AM
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http://www.amazon.com/review/produc...bySubmissionDateDescending#RV4537YEISC7VSome very negative reviews there. There are many claiming him as just a business man and sometimes mis-represents his products. Do you have any background information on the author? If he was the robin hood you paint him as his site wouldn't charge so much for everything. Information should be free. And can you tell "they are trying to stop him" while having best sellers popping out?
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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01/13/08 12:29 PM
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He's not Robin Hood; I think he is just a plain old Hood - he robs from everybody and gives to .... himself! But the truth from a sinner is probably better than a lie from a saint. Yeah, my thoughts exactly on selling products all over his site. However, read the lower posts - whatever anyone says, his information is quite good. All true? Who knows?
Thanks for providing these reviews! Let's get the truth out in the open. That's what we all need!
I like these reviews - not how I would write it, but:
By J. Griest - See all my reviews All these negative reviews are just the same lazy, stupid, ignorant people who have nothing better to do than talk bad about someone who tries to wake people up. Hello stupid people, this is common sense....what Kevin talks about in his book is true and is documented. I have been very busy researching many things he states in his books "this is what people with common sense do" and have found so many documents that support what he say's and many have been very hard to find even on the internet...as if they were suppressed, go figure huh! Open your eyes and look, you will see! There is something going on, this is so obvious a child can see it. As my title say's POP THE PILL AND DIE!!!!
JUST SHUT UP!!!!
Buy the book, I ordered both of mine off of Amazon and it is the best book I have ordered from here. Kevin, keep up the good work and never mind these negative idiots. I have gained my health back again because you gave me 2 books that gave me a complete picture of a situation...KUDOS!!!
Yes, I have a brain and it is MY health so I think it is my responsibility to research my options and make the decisions on what I want to do!!!
For all of you pill popping and chemical eating morons out there the "CURE" Kevin Trudeau is talking about in his book is mostly knowledge and common sense!! Help other customers find the most helpful reviews Was this review helpful to you? Report this | Permalink Comment (1)
2 of 6 people found the following review helpful: Excellent book filled with reality!, November 12, 2007 By C. Rodriguez (Burbank, C.A.) - See all my reviews My father is an MD for a large HMO. We both read this book and agree with around 90% of what is written. This is especially true when the author states "the medical and food industry does not care about its customers...its all about the money". Sad but very true...if you think your doctor really cares about you and or your health think again. Wake up! All you are to doctors is just another medical record #! Doctors speak out patients names and put on a phony smile as a courtesy NOT because they care about you.
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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01/13/08 01:14 PM
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if you think your doctor really cares about you and or your health think again. Wake up! All you are to doctors is just another medical record #! Doctors speak out patients names and put on a phony smile as a courtesy NOT because they care about you.
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TW that would be it. The doctor's expensive car and big house are much more important to him than you are, count on it. It's always nice to meet a young dr. they never fail to talk endlessly about their lavish new homes. Their eyes sparkle as they look at you, not because they like you but because you are worth 500.00 an hour toward their mortgage payment. It's not all doctors, just a large majority of them. I think that's the general consensus of Trudeau's stuff though... that he is a pretty slick character but the info is generally pretty good too. He seems to have a reputation for swiping information from other places and saying it's his own. but it doesn't really matter if the info is good as a far as I am concerned. At least he's helping get good information out there, regardless of where he gets it from. I have never met anyone who has read that book and didn't like it. From my experience though, doctors are a good few notches better at least than dentists. there is little to no real oversight of dentists, even legally, because bad dentistry is only seen as a 'tooth problem', not affecting the rest of your health (even if it's not really true). doctors are a bit more ethical in general. But before I'll listen to their opinions anymore, I'd like to see each and everyone of them do a liver flush.
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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01/13/08 03:50 PM
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we are all grown adults here, and can make our own decisions , I 'm sure that there are many out there that say that andy cutler is full of crap and his book is full of nonsense ( I'm not one of them ) there will always be sceptics for just about any subject outthere , most of what I have learned in the past about anything is gained from personal experience , even when I try to explain about how I was poisoned from my amalgam filling , people still look at me like I have 3 heads, even when they see my progress so far . I totally agree. No matter WHO you find, usually there is a negative report on them across the net, particularly if they are in the business of exposing dental/medical harm etc. You only have to look at Quackwatch. But not much doubt on Kevin Trudeau, I have heard plenty of times he's been into trouble and I don't think it's all negative hype to try and cut him down necessarily. However, not knowing the full story, I understand the need to keep an open mind, particularly regarding this book which seems to be a very interesting one. But I always keep a wary eye open when I see this guy's products advertised. I keep away from them for the most part. I have seen him in action and even then before I read anything bad, I had a funny feeling about the guy. I'll trust the reviews of you guys on here. If it's helped you or someone you know? If you found the information sound and effective? Well, that speaks for itself and is enough for me. I am intrigued by this particular book though.
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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01/13/08 03:54 PM
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(by Kevin Trudeau)
Hello All: Anyone else read this book? What do you think? Really want to hear your feedback.
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thanks.gif" alt="" /> TW I saw his infomercial about 4 years ago and bought the book. If it wasn't for this book, I don't think I would have known that my health problems are mercury related. After reading this book my family's lives took an about face. From everything we eat to what we bathe with - you name it and I haven't stopped researching since, and it was all that researching that led me to find I am mercury poisoned. It is a must read - especially for those who are not knowledgeable what our government puts in our food, water and all the products we use and deems them "safe" for our use and consumption. Yes - there is a lot of negative stuff going on around the web about this guy and I have read a lot of it over the years. But I don't look much into it because he does have a target on his back - the FDA hates him among others. His book gave me a wake up call and like I said, my journey to better health would probably have not been found if it weren't for him opening my eyes to the truth- I would have been standing in line like most people waiting to get my prescriptions filled...... Teri
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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01/13/08 04:01 PM
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We can also all remember that there are so many other people than Kevin Trudeau doing the same thing. Look at Jordan Rubin and his Garden for Life products. He is getting ripped left and right by critics. His reviews are mixed, thank God for the solution, and why do you try to sell me all your stuff? The truth is, most people don't want to sit down at their computer and do all the research, they WANT someone to tell them what to get, where to go...makin' it easy. Actually, I personally would prefer it because of all the hours and hours and hours and hours, did I say hours? I meant weeks and now years of my time researching trying to find what's wrong and how to fix it.
Look at all the fitness people, tell you how to get fit, buy their video. It's all the same concept. As we've all concluded here, we've got to decide for ourselves what we want to believe and what we want to do.
Gabriella
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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01/14/08 01:04 AM
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Hi Guys I agree about the doctors, most of them look at you with dollar signs in their eyes. With as much research as I have done you would think they could do a little themselves.
I know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! some do, most don't want to make waves. it's a big problem. I have had pretty good success with specialists here and there over the years though. chelation last year... and years ago, if it weren't for a truly expert doctor... I would have lost a finger. i crushed a finger yeah, right down to the middle almost of the bone at the top knuckle of that finger. amazing how they fixed it... reconstructed bone and even nerve endings. they used tissue from my thumb. yessir here on my left hand sits the very first successful microsurgery on a hand in the entire world... the year was 1979 or 1980. really. It was real sensitive for two years but after that, just like my real finger was before I hurt it. fingernail and everything. if i had crushed that finger just a couple years prior they would have cut it back down to the next knuckle to save the rest of the finger... but there just happened to be a great doctor in town. that was in NYC. The midwife that delivered my daughter was excellent too. that was in florida. But I had a different doctor give me a nasty bacterial infection once too. My experience with dentists hasn't been as good over the years. There is such a huge cover up with things like mercury it's almost a situation of collusion even with the doctors, they don't want to point fingers at other professionals, including dentists. big problem there. But experienced doctors generally will not deny that heavy metals are a problem, even if they dont know how to treat it. a lot of dentists act as if mercury is an edible food stuff. You really have to wonder. A good number of medical professionals are turning up with autisic kids these days. So i guess we'll see where that leads. It has started hitting them at home finally. as if numerous suicides by dentists weren't enough. when I was a kid, my mom was a nurse. some friend of hers suggested I become an xray technician or something like that. She said like this.. well the health risks need to be considered, after age 40 or so your health might decline from this type of work, you will probably die by age 50 but you'll make really good money. So I guess that's the mentality among medical professionals, since they are at risk and they have accepted that, it's no big deal that your health is affected along the way as a patient. the problem i have with that mentality as a patient is... the big bucks aren't landing in my pocket along the way so i really have difficulty sharing the ideology. As a patient you get sicker and sicker and have to pay for the experience too.
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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01/14/08 12:04 PM
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Sunshine - you'll like this.... Today I got my latest hair analysis results and was pretty upset to set that my Ca / Mag ratio (indicative of blood sugar) had got massively worse (was 46 in my last analysis, has now gone up to 60). Calcium was much more elevated than last time, I have gone from being a medium metabolizer to a slow metabolizer. This matches with my symptoms - I realised on Friday I was feeling hypothyroid - cold, bad sleep, bad blood sugar control, to the point of diabetes - despite not changing my dose of Armour and T3. I was pretty upset and couldn't understand why or what had gone wrong. I thought chelating would make me BETTER. The other thing that had changed from my previous hair analysis was lead, which had risen from the green zone to the yellow. I couldn't understand why lead had increased, but then remembered that DMSA pulls lead first (and that's actually what it's for - lead poisoning in children). So in these last 6 months I have been pulling lead, amongst other things. .. On hitting the net today, I found this really helpful article about thyroid, minerals and heavy metals http://www.arltma.com/HypothyroidismDoc.htmwhich explains that elevated hair calcium is due to low thyroid levels (so I was right about that) and also that lead causes a thyroid imbalance - in my case hypo. Bingo!! Hair analysis explained. Next, to Cutler's Hair Analysis book about lead, where he states that chelation is much slower than for mercury - just once a month. So with my 3 days on, 3 days off schedule I have been probably been chelating lead too quickly, and this could explain the almost permanent metal taste I have, 18 months post amalgam removal. I am now going to take a DMSA holiday for a bit, and perhaps try an ALA only round. All this is to demonstrate that the chelation path is not smooth, and can be very unexpected. I didn't know lead was an issue for me, I had no idea that chelating it could make me hypothyroid, despite no change in my thyroid dose. I also thought that having found the right thyroid dose I would not need to change it - except for a slight variation for winter and summer. I thought I would share this experience, so that others can may be anticipate something similar when chelating. I was about to go to the doctor to be tested for diabetes, but now I thing I will wait a couple of weeks and increase my thyroid dose, and see what impact that has. I bet my fasting glucose will come down. Sorry to divert the flow of this thread, but Sunshine was talking about learning and sharing. I have learned a lot today - thought I'd pass it on. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Nicola
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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01/14/08 05:40 PM
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Yeah, Nicola, I do like that and the reason I like is two fold….
First….its great to see all that knowledge you have, gathered from all different sources, helping, pulling together….so that you understand and can make sense of all these seemingly different signals. I like it too when suddenly things start happeneing for a reason, when I start seeing the reasons why….it makes all the work and effort we put into understanding all this…..worthwhile. It means you understand, when you can use your experience to find meaning.
And secondly….here we have first hand information and knowledge that chelation is hard work on the body. Which is why we see post after post on Yahoo FDC from loads of different people all talking about thyroid and adrenals…..chelation is hard work and everything needs supporting during it.
You explain it real well too, I can almost see the cogs turning in yr head, one understanding leading to the next understanding, LOL.
I liked that article, but it confused me on salt. Said it was bad, then next paragraph said it was good! I’m sure the author knew what they where talking about…….
Sea and rock salt are good, table salt is poison!
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident."
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/02/08 02:00 PM
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/03/08 06:37 AM
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Right, Finished it. Interesting book! Firstly, best to say I’m from England and I have never heard of Kevin Trudeau before Tumbleweed posted this thread. So I do not have any pre-determined thoughts or ideas about what this bloke might be about. Nor about what he has done in the past and what he is doing now. I did spent 30 mins googling him and I assure you he has some seriously bad press out there. The attacks on him and his ideas ridicule him to the extreme. Even Bex here quoted some of the bad press about him in this very thread. But I assume Bex has not read it, otherwise I doubt she would have pasted in what was pasted in. So I thought why not read the book, I have read a LOT in the past 12 months and I should be able to see any “snake oil” this “scoundrel” was trying to peddle me…… I did read it with a very critical eye because of all the bad reports about him. I don’t know anything else about him expect what is written in this book, I have not read any of his other books. How to describe this book? Awesome? Amazing? Fantastic? Marvellous? Yes….i think those words describe it pretty well for me. At least 75pct pf the book talks of things I already know and things I have already tried and have been successful to me. So I KNOW what he’s talking about works and is correct. What he does is brings everything together in one grand ensemble. To the normal man in the street, with zero health knowledge, who would usually rely of doctors and drugs to “get better” …………. to this normal man in the street, I guess this book is pointless, because it covers to much ground, brakes all the “conventional wisdom rules” and without any holistic healthcare knowledge …..no way could normal people take this in. it might make them think….but they are equally likely to toss it out the window because they are ignorant and will remain ignorant. For any people just getting into holistic alternative healthcare, I’d say this is a very important read for you. I would say all the “veterans” on this forum should read this book because what you have already learned you will relate to, and what you have not heard about you will be motivated to try. When I read I always make little notes, take ideas down to remind me to try them later, this book I had a long list of 23 things to investigate….. For more reviews, good and bad go here http://www.amazon.com/review/produc...mp;amp;sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescendingYou will notice the good reviews are by people that have actually read the book. The bad reviews are by people that have not read this book and what to bash him or have zero health knowledge. Even the US Governement are bashing him on an Amazon review….Ha! How cool is that! See the 6th review down on the amazon review I posted above. Essential reading IMHO Thanks Tumblweed for the Excellent recommendation <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident."
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/03/08 08:15 AM
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/03/08 12:12 PM
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mati - Looks like a good book. Have not read it - maybe I will order.
Sunshine - Thanks for the review. Well said. I am glad Bex brought up all the negative about Trudeau. Better to have it out in the open up front.
It suggests something is going on, because I have read quite a few books on this health journey, and though no expert, I noticed right away that what Kevin was saying made a lot of sense, and matched up with many other sources I have read. He is kind of just like a good reporter - bringing all the latest together as you say. No one could do everything he says, but I think most people will find a few things that may help them.
I have no vested interest in whether people buy the book. What I do care about is helping anyone I can get to better health, and this book does make some valid suggestions, I feel. We all have to work together if we are to find a succesful way to repair the damage mercury has done to us. I feel people here are like family to me, so I want them to read this book, even if just for information. And most of all, if they try something that really works, get back on here and share that information so we all know what works!
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/09/08 01:35 PM
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Hey Aaron:
I agree! Some of it does not appear to be conventional wisdom, but for me, searching for health answers due to mercury, it made a lot of sense. I think he is a few years ahead of the game, and time will see more people adopting his view. As you know, something is really wrong with today's health care system.
The way it is set up now, we go to a doctor when we get sick. By that time, we are already in crisis mode. Doctors get paid when we are sick! And the way they are trained, they are programmed to "fix" us with drugs and surgery. But, the body heals itself. A lot of drugs they prescribe merely suppress the original symptom, and cause new ones.
That is backwards! Doctors should be paid for keeping us well. I think the future will find more people adopting this view.
Hey, wait a minute, why I am I telling you this? You already read two of his books! Oh well, I already typed it, so I will let it fly....
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/18/08 12:50 PM
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When reading Kevins book I made a list of all the things I should check out and investigate: 1st February 2008 – ideas 1) Natural healthcare provider – try lots of different people. 2) Energetic rebalancing 3) 15 colonics in 30 days 4) colon cleanse 5) full body fat/lymphatic cleanse www.purification.org6) Juice fast. Book “the miracle of juice fasting” 7) www.dr.schulze.com “The incurables” (cleanses?) 8) water filter for the house 9) shower filter 10) rethink my supplements 11) eat some quality honey 12) water cooler that add “oxygen” to the water 13) EMF – learn! Neutralise them…..how? 14) Reiki 15) Magnetic toe rings? What is that? 16) Floatation tank 17) Book the 7 day detox miracle, how to revitalise your mind…. 18) “DMSO” google it. what is it? 19) DVD “the corporation” 20) DVD “what the bleep do we know” 21) Whole psyllium husk + great plains liquid bentonite – shakes! 22) Oxypowder 23) www.bestcare-uk.comof those 23 things, 15 have been done/investigated/read the book/watched the dvd…. Somethings I just investigated and decided not to do, somethings I did immediately. The best thing I did was Number 1. “Natural healthcare provider – try lots of different people” I saw a Herb guy/specialist, to review my supplements and suggest anything new….seems I’m doing ok as is and suggested a couple of other simple things to add. Didn’t learn too much, but good peace of mind for me, to know I’m doing the right thing on my heavy supplementation regime. But the best was acupuncture. Last week, when I was on holiday, I had 4 back to back acupuncture sessions, 4 days in a row…..wow! I never had proper acupuncture before……that was a good boost towards the direction of normalness. My spine is much straighter now, and hopefully I can start some exercises again anytime soon. They did something called a “meridian massage” each day plus acupuncture. Also had magnetic therapy, don’t know too much about that…just that I’m feeling better. Acupuncture Man said the only thing holding me back now is myself. My mind and my fear. He said spine is straight enough to get restarted with my yoga. Unfort my fears are very high because I have had such big problems with my back…..feels like every waking moment I worry about my dodgy back…….but now I have some confidence to at least give it a try….. Cool book for sure! Well worth the read.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident."
Sunshine
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/21/08 11:53 AM
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Acupuncture, great stuff! For anabody with an interest in the ET stuff, I'd say take a gander at "Project Camelot". http://projectcamelot.org/big_picture.html It's a great site with heavily vetted contributers, cuz beleive me, ( or not) there are a lot of froots out there talkin about the alien subject spreadin either willful or unconcious disinfo. These folks at PC do their research. I'd start by readin the mission statement, then maybe watch David Wilcock's interview. This stuff is important for the average bear to get clued up on cuz y' all can be sure the govt. knows all about this stuff and they DON 'T want all a y' all to know the truth. An look what happens when the truth is concealed. We end up bein manipulated victims. I don't like that, it's a bad look. ( an a worse feel) If this background info is somethin anabody here can digest, might wanna look further into "project bluebeam", or iffen y' all can find it, "project greenstar",.these here are just some a the BS ways the PTB are thinkin about lettin folks know bout this particalar subject, and scare the bejeezlebub outta foks all at the same time. Oops, I 'm in the wrong section for this here, but maybe somebunny will take a gander. One day I'd like to experience life on a planet where folks had each other's best interests at heart. Meanwhile, we do what we can. Y' all are a bunch a kindly souls, I only post this stuff sos we can have a bigger slice a the info the govt. has been hoardin to keep us down. Think ET's are too far fetched? Take a look at the deep an starry night sky sometime. By the way, free energy is purty much upon us, and this is somethin that folks who've created this stuff have been murdered for many times over., mainly cuz the gov does NOT want y' all to have this, and where d'ya think the PTB got this technology from YEARS ago??? Can you say "reverse engineering"? Just think of a world where we did not have to slave to keep warm, run a car , power a factory, etc etc... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH economic ruin!!!!!! An maybe a real chance for the human race to become what it could be, human. Check this out, free energy, welp, after ya buy the gizmo, that is: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=efCelx7qe_MI'm in the wrong section for sure, good thang I got ma power pack, I'm flyin outta here http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=THEcWrznicYHave the best possible day folks :fro
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/21/08 01:49 PM
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Howdy Rachel, the way I look at it is, the good just keeps gettin better and the worse is becomin intolerable, inevitably the divide is gettin SO wide that y'all just wanta be on the good foot. Don't worry too much about the reptiles, but if y'all are seriously inerested, check out Phil ( no longer with us) Schneider <a href="rhttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8b5Ea3dgK3c" target="_blank">rhttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8b5Ea3dgK3c</a> Also Michael Tsarion is purty interesting to do with genetic manipulation, check out " The Future of Mankind " video. Not for everybody, this guy. We got more hope than we ever did as a species cuz folks are startin to wake up. From what all I hear, it's lookin purty good behind the scenes. Truth is kinda hard to bear til ya get a taste for it but most folks get the medecine down with a spoonful a aspartame. I perfer mine straight up. (Tequilas good.too, strictly medicinal a course) It's a wonderful world, with a lil tweakin. Bless us all.
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/22/08 01:59 AM
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I had real problems with my lower back for at least 10 years, my hips are always slipping out of the correct position, which causes a knock on effect of the whole spine kinking out of shape.
Oh Sunshine, talk to me about this. Do you feel it may be or is quite probable that this is mercury related? When I first started having my serious symptoms (that lead me to believe something was REALLY wrong with me), was in 2003, when I was pregnant with my son. I attributed my sciatic nerve pain, and hip trouble with the fact that in 1996 I had been in a car accident, and hurt my back. Although I TOTALLY recovered from that, I concluded that something must have happened in my pregnancy that irritated my old injury. It was worse than sciatic nerve pain. I couldn't sit, stand, sleep....we were trying to move and pack boxes, and I just screamed in pain, trying to sit on the floor and pack things up. No matter what I did, I was in utter pain. This is also the time all of my mercury symptoms really started to show, all at once, instead of the subtle signs throughout the years. I had a really hard delivery, and after he was born, I felt crippled. The major pain was gone, but my joints all felt "out of whack". I never felt right again. I got pregnant again, 9 mo after my son was born, and it was not planned. I would not have planned one that soon. I went through the same thing, being pregnant with her. My point is, I'm STILL this way. I was thinking the other day, this has got to have something to do with mercury. My hips/waist is screwed up, and I don't know why. I have had to be super careful since my pregnancy in 2003, if I lift a leg up too high, or step off a step just wrong...I am DONE for the day. It will throw something out, and I will be in pain, until I can sleep it off, or whatever. Sometimes it gets the sciatic nerve going (classic symptoms, like pain from the middle of my butt cheek and down the thigh and leg), and it's excruciating. When I go to bed, I have to wriggle around under the covers, trying to "adjust" my hips, so I am not in pain and can go to sleep. Does this make any sense? Like they are out of joint....I don't get it. I started going to a chiropractor in November. I was sure this would help things. It made me feel like I walked a little straighter, and that felt good BUT it did NOTHING for this problem. I stopped seeing him...because I saw him TOO much, and I think it got to the point it did more harm than good. Now I am convinced...somehow, someway it has something to do with the mercury. Anyone have any thoughts on this? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/22/08 09:49 AM
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Hi Mom
I have eliminated all other possible causes of my back pain. The only reason for my back pain now is the mercury. I have done a lot of investigating on this. The mercury causes muscle weakness. Whenever I stir up the merc and have a problem, muscle weakness always comes on and my lower back always hurts. Everytime without fail.
But...how did I figure out its not anything else?
2 kidney cleanses – back still hurts 10 liver flushes – back still hurts 2 Parasite cleanses – back still hurts 2 bowel cleanses – back still hurts 3 years of Alexander technique, practicing everyday. (it’s a posture thing) (well it’s a lot more than that actually but that will do for now.) I am very good at this and my back should not hurt! But it does.
I have been regular at the osteopath for 6-7 years at least. I have been going to my current one every week for 4 months. She has said there is no muscular reason for my back to hurt so much all the time.
Acupuncture man said the same thing “no muscular reason for my back to hurt so much” he said they only thing holding me back is my fear. (It has been a ‘mare and I have fear!) but he’s doesn’t understand mercury and will not/cannot factor HG into the equation.
I have had repeated muscle testing on my amalgams and they linked up with the back pain.
When I went amalgam free, my lower back got a lot better very quickly, for no apparent reason…except being merc free.
I am on round 9 of dmsa, I am not quiet 4 months amalgam free now and by back pain is much less that it was. As I said I managed to try some yoga last weekend, the first for 3 years, so I am defo getting better.
So for me…….i know chelation chelation chelation that’s what I gotta do.
All the work that I did with all the cleanses, Alexander Tech and osteopath work…all essential, all needed doing, but the underlying problem is MERCURY causing muscle weakness.
Note re osteopaths: there are all different types and every single person does it differently, so you should shop around, checkout some new people.
Just because the pain is caused by the mercury, that does not mean you should just chelate. Kidney troubles is a very common cause of lower back pain. My back pain was less after this cleanse (and all the others)
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident."
Sunshine
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/22/08 11:09 AM
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My lower back gets pretty achy if I get constipated. Last year, it even started moving into my hips, a problem I have never experienced before, my hips hurt a lot, the joints. That's when I started going in for the hydrotherapy/colonics and it all cleared up right away. Chelation alone didn't help it at all, herbal colon cleansing alone didn't help it either. A few weeks ago I got constipated without warning... for a few days and the lower back started aching again, weak too. I had done the liver flush just a few days prior, I think I may have opened a new gateway that had been seriously contaminated and plugged up. Plus I ate the aloe... anyway a lot of toxins were comingout fast, could smell it, and I got constipated immediately. The achy spread to my upper back and shoulders (joints) pretty quickly. So then I started the herbal colon cleanse again but used the high enema routine along with it because from past experience, only that really gets rid of whatever causes the back ache. Sure enough, back ache gone for the most part... my shoulders remained achy a couple weeks until just two or three days ago when I restarted the colon herbals, did a good amount before bed one evening and the next day unloaded a lot of something that smelled nasty metally and by gosh... by evening my shoulders did not ache anymore. And they should have ached that evening more than any day of the past few weeks because i was outside all day hauling wood in, big wood, lifting hundred pound pieces, and yet, no achy back or shoulders.
It's definitely the mercury for me, could be other toxins in there like lead of course too, but it's a combo slow colon problem with the heavy metals. I suspect also the kidneys are involved. which the colon cleansing also seems to help heal. Mercury really slows down your body's ability to elimnate fast enough. And in my case, I really do need to do the water flush to really start clearing it up.
They say it takes several years for your body to heal completely after damage occurs, and heavy metal poisoning is major damage to your system overall.
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/23/08 01:21 PM
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Acupuncture – if you have never experienced Chi (qi) you wouldn’t know what I’m taking about and will think I’m a freak…
How does acupuncture feel? Makes me feel the chi flowing through my body. That’s a warm inner glow and energy running all over and through it. Energising is another good word to describe it. (Sunshine) Hey SS: Never tried Chi, but I think I know what you refer to. I get that same that energy thing from listening to great songs! Sometimes meditation or prayer. Unless I am wrong, the Holy Spirit is there. Elvis: Glad to see you're back in the building! Skieslimit: Let us know what you think when you finish book. mommy24: I think Sunshine is right - I have heard many times about back pain and mercury. It seems a strange connection - yet does it maybe make sense that mercury would settle in that area of the body? Sosick: I agree - I think anyone who has had chronic mecury exposure for 30 years is going to take several years to heal. TW
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/24/08 12:48 AM
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Muscle weakness is pretty common with mercury poisoning. If it's in your bloodstream and not being aggresively cleared out it settles in places, muscle tissue for instance. You'll notice a lot of people complain of numbness with mercury poisoning, all related to have an overall effect of muscle weakness, your muscles are numb, thus weak. There are studies, one in particular, I have a link on this machine somewhere to it, maybe I can find it... but anyway one study in particular was where they put amalgam fillings into the teeth of sheep. Similar studies have been done with chimpanzees. then after a certain amount of time the animals are killed and xrayed. the majority of mercury in the animals will be in the gut every time, likewise the colon. Back to muscle weakness and numbness in this respect... as affecting your colon, leading to constipation, weak and numb colon and lower intestine muscles. If the mercury, or other heavy metals such as lead, many people with mercury issues also have issues with other heavy metals, logically, because the colon is weak (just like your back but you don't feel it the same way except going is slowed down), you also accumulate other toxins.heavy metals as a result. If you do not take aggressive action to clear the colon regularly the mercury/metals/toxins will seep through the intestinal wall and affect the surrounding muscles, resulting in a weak back. The longer the colon is slowed down the more spread of toxins you get and the longer it will take to get them out of your muscles/bones/nerves. Mercury is considered a nervous system poison. Thus the numbness. It especially affects nerve endings, which is why it hurt me to kneel or lean on an elbow when I was very sick. Even my heels hurt like heck. Which is why I limped and could not run for about 5 months. It often afftects the spine, which houses major nerve bundles. Mercury can seep through most body tissues, even the placenta, in the case of a pregnant woman. If it can bypass the placenta you can bet it easily seeps through your colon into your back and hips, for starters. It's a well known medical fact that toxins in the colon seep through the intestine and repoison the body unless aggressively eliminated by colon cleasning. When you chelate, some of the toxins are elliminated via urine, but mercury also likes to eliminate via the bowels. Chelating is good, but you have to remember that your simply dumping from one area, blood and tissue for instance to another, the kidneys, the liver, and the bowels.
So, given all of that factual medical information, it's pretty easy to say where the mercury sits, at first anyway, and why your back feels crappy.
The longer the mercury adversely affects your nerves and muscles the longer it will take to heal. Simple logic... if the muscles feel numb they are literally becoming weak because you do not use them that same anymore... and likewise they are becoming more defective day by day because of the poisons. which is exactly why I chose quick aggressive IV chelation. Because one day i was fine and literally almost overnight I felt like a cripple because of toxin overload. Which would also explain why I seem to be healing quicker. I never let it settle in in those big amounts that caused overnight trauma to me, I found a doctor right away.
Every time I get a big mercury (or other toxins) dump I get constipated. seems kind of self evident to me by now exactly what is happening. If I do not quickly get my bowels moving again, I start repoisoning myself, and it feels real crappy. pun intended.
Lead and cadmium and other heavy metals also cause muscle weakness. No one ever has simply an isolated mercury problem.
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/24/08 10:25 AM
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That's pretty cool your brother can do acupuncture sunflower. I have always really wanted to try this acupuncture - after these reports even more so. I want to see if this energy is like anything I have experienced before. We are all electrical in nature. Given everything in this world vibrates at certain frequencies, and energy healing is popular now, it makes one wonder how that all works. To me, all healing is in the mind. The body is an instrument, like a pencil, and can only do as the mind directs. Of itself, it can do nothing. However, it seems it can be overwhelmed by toxins like mercury. Remove the toxins, and the body will be healed if the mind accepts healing. Maybe the acupuncture helps release the energy that mercury has blocked?
Sunshine: About the back stuff and mercury, I was thinking as SoSick was, and thinking of the sheep and monkey studies. In those, and in someone's comments I read somewhere, mercury tends to settle in the pelvic region. Seems to make sense. My thought is that maybe the way to overcome this is strength training, starting with no weights at all, and building up very slowly, over weeks, by doing back building exercises like dead lifts. This worked wonders for me when I hurt my back playing basketball in high school. The problem went away after a month or two, never to return. Just my opinion, you might want to ask a chiropractor, or sports injury doctor.
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/24/08 01:37 PM
02/24/08 01:37 PM
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Sunshine, didn't you mention a history of major drug abuse and drinking when you were younger? You know, chances are excellent you have some kidney or liver damage from those days. Chances are also excellent you are carrying a lot of toxins in tha respect also, mercury may only be a minor issue.
The clinic I went to for chelation, they used IV ALA (to get real high doses straight into the bloodstream) to clean the livers of alcoholics and drug users. I asked about it, and the nurse told me that it helps them a lot but once the damage is done, the damage is done. So basically, they are simply on maintenance.
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/24/08 05:56 PM
02/24/08 05:56 PM
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Sos : Fine post young lady…wise words indeed.
Sunflower : “It is a nice feeling, the energy flowing around the body like that, you can really feel it.amazing.” – yes…you know what I’m talking about….i too feel the Chi
TW: with me, after all the work I have done on my back(I have done a real lot of work) I know its muscle weakness. I feel it. Everything else has been tried and eliminated. It comes and goes with the severity of the mercury symptoms. Sometimes my back is STRONG, I can feel the strength…however most of the time its weak. But, yes…exercise is my goal. It is and has been at the very tippity top of my to-do-list for over 3 years now. Once I can restart my yoga, my health with take a giant leap forwards. I am regaining a lot of my strength these last few months in my arms and legs, even the lower back is better. The more exercise I can do the quicker my recovery…unfort in 3 years I only restarted last week and I managed 15 mins before my back hurt too much and I was ultra careful too.
Many times I have desperately tried to push myself, even doing yoga so so slowly….but now I know….there is no point working out until strength returns. My Alexander Technique has taught me this.
I see a chiropractor most weeks. I am much better than I was.
Sos: “Sunshine, didn't you mention a history of MAJOR drug abuse and drinking when you were younger? You know, chances are excellent you have some kidney or liver damage from those days.” – yes the Glory days! Not so long ago no either. Nasty word that “major” but you are correct, that describes 10 years of my life on drugs, with 5 of those on some seriously hard ones. “major.” The rest of the time i was just drinking heavily. So yeah…..plenty of damage…..yet another reason I have done so much cleansing and will continue to cleanse on a regular basis. Next up is another Bowel cleanse….1 month long….see if I can find anymore of that black death gunk. Then after that another Humaworm parasite cleanse…April that will be. My 3rd.
Re : acupuncture…..when I had the 4 sessions back-to-back the man focused on my digestion. At the time I didn’t really feel much….but….i have been eating less…….and gaining weight….and that’s even after last weeks problems with the missed dose. So I think I am digesting more of what I eat…..maybe?
Oh yeah, apologies for losing my rag last week and getting a bit shirty, especially to Sos. I was angry at myself. I’m sure it will happen again. unfort.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident."
Sunshine
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/25/08 12:20 PM
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Lost rag? Wheredya lose it? Apologies are always good though. yep, the reckless life surely can take a toll, but ya know, the liver has profound capabilities to self heal, and the power a positive mental attitude is NOT just some woo-woo nonsense, I know i posted Bruce Lipton ,cellular biologist extraordinaire, somewhere in the anals of this fine multi-chambered organ, but for anaone with an interest in advanced thinkin about DNA, healing and self empowerment, this guy has a lot to say. http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=0&type=search&plindex=0 I know he's kinda on super-hyper-overdrive, but heck, he's dang excited an fit to bust with the research.
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/25/08 05:59 PM
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I’m sure it will happen again I'm sure it will too. You'll feel differently about it all in several months. you should do some checking about for the kidneys/liver though. That may be your biggest undetectable problem. I have been colon cleansing and colon cleansing and have not seen a tad of black gunk here. But I have never done drugs enough to mention it. the dentist gave me some hydrocodone for pain though. I know for sure it weakens your kidneys substantially, lots of schedule1 and 2 drugs do the same. And lots of drinking causes cirrhosis of the liver. not sure I spelled that proper. Your cleanses are probably more important to you than the chelating but the cleanses are hard on your system too so you might want to do some checking around, find foods that will strengthen those organs rather than cleanse and deplete them all the time. I know cherry juice is good for the kidneys. Artichokes, aparagus, all kidney and liver stuff. Considering your body was sustained by drugs and alcohol for a decade... there has to be related damage. Weak kidneys could very well make your back sore. I know for me, the cleansing is good but I feel best when i take a break from it and renourish for a few weeks with good food and some vitamins. Except for the cilantro pesto, I need to keep that on my menu all the time, i feel best with that on my menu too. I guess because it's food. Some peopel recommend eating organ meats but I wouldn;t do that... I have tried eating chicken livers, beef livers, and I feel poisoned afterwards every time. Those animal organs are blood filters just like yours and chances are excellent they are full of arsenic, pesticides and other crap. The bible also has a passage in Levitcus where God tell Moses that the sons of Aaron should always burn the (sheep/goat/whatever) kidneys and never eat them... I'd take that as good healthy advice, tastes awful anyway, kidneys yick.
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/25/08 06:23 PM
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Those animal organs are blood filters just like yours and chances are excellent they are full of arsenic, pesticides and other crap. .. I'd take that as good healthy advice, tastes awful anyway, kidneys yick. LOL! yick! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/looney.gif" alt="" /> That's what I think. I have to agree with that, there's no tellin' what those animals ate. It's so scary with everything, it almost makes you want to stop eating. The muscle weakness I definitely have. I get so angry with myself, that I have no strength anymore. I used to be able to help my husband carry things, and do things around the house, and I have to have help opening a jar half the time, now. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/reallymad.gif" alt="" /> People have always been impressed, me being as feminine as I've always been, but nearly as strong as a man....I could always do anything. It's so frustrating, and I cuss myself for being weak. I know I didn't do it to myself, but it's me that's weak, and I never used to be, so I don't know what else to do but blame myself. So sad.
"Some things have to be believed to be seen." - Ralph Hodgson ~Autism is what we call Mercury Toxicity in our young, Alzheimer's is what we call it in our old.~ myspace.com/mercurypoison
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/25/08 06:54 PM
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How old are you Lisa?
I was real weak last year too. The chelation heloed but i really attribute gaining my strength back to lots of homegrown veggies and the cilantro pesto.
I know the mention of cilantro 3 times today is sure to cause arguments but it's the truth.
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/25/08 11:43 PM
02/25/08 11:43 PM
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How old are you Lisa?
I was real weak last year too. The chelation heloed but i really attribute gaining my strength back to lots of homegrown veggies and the cilantro pesto.
I know the mention of cilantro 3 times today is sure to cause arguments but it's the truth. I will be 37 next Tuesday. That scares me to say that....lol, because I feel like I've lost SO MUCH of my life, I couldn't possibly be that OLD yet. I've spent so much of it being sick or screwed up, I told my husband, I've lost the best years of my life. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I think you're probably right on the fresh veggies. I want so much to start my garden this year. I hope I'm feeling strong enough to do it, and this cold weather would get over with. I'm getting ready to pot some fresh herbs, for here in the house. I noticed the pesto being mentioned. Please tell me how to make it. I just read yesterday, how good the cilantro is for you. I also just ordered this book, that the thread is about. I have seen him on TV and always wanted this book. In searching, I have also seen some others I'd like to read. It's very exciting. I can't wait to get some new books to read. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
"Some things have to be believed to be seen." - Ralph Hodgson ~Autism is what we call Mercury Toxicity in our young, Alzheimer's is what we call it in our old.~ myspace.com/mercurypoison
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/26/08 12:36 AM
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mm only 37, scares me to hear it too, that's not good. you should be real strong. I was probably my strongest ever at age 35-43 or so. Now I do too much sitting at a desk. taking care of the kids all day is real hard on a woman too i know, people don't always understand that. I only have one though, age 13, constant work... anyway... herbs that have done real well for me in pots, inside and out are... - rosemary (difficult to get started from seed, keep trying then make new plants from cuttings when full grown) - parsley (easy as pie) - hyssop (pretty easy) - feverfew (easy, a must have, keeps headaches away, great to undo menstrual cramps, grows like a weed) - lavender (moderate easy, not edible but smells pretty) - sage (moderate easy, needs lots of water) - oregano (easy) - thyme (easy, keep trimming it back) Cilantro didn't do well in a pot for me, really wants to be in the dirt outside, likes cool nights, start in early early spring but will germinate in warm weather too. Basil will grow in a pot nicely but it won't be enough to make pesto or even much spaghetti sauce because if you have it you will use a lot of it. The Basil makes me feel real good and strong too, I highly recommend growing basil alongside cilanto and mixing them together for your pesto. It's loaded with vitamin a and other good stuff that will help you detox and rebuild. Use large leaf sweet italian. The others are good too but fussy and the leaves are puny. I plant the basil and cilantro in little 4'x4' squares or so outside, that's a lot of both of those, less is not enough. Cilantro won't freeze if there's a frost but basil will. The cilantro you really have to start with lots of seed and sprinkle straight into the dirt and cover lightly about 1/4 ", keep watered. You have to keep throwing seed in to sprout all summer or you will run out of cilantro, it has a pretty short lifespan, about 6-7 weeks. The basil i like to start indoors in a small container, like a plastic sour cream container, and then I transplant to outside when they get about 1" tall. Put lots of seed in, keep in a warm sunny window and keep moist... sprinkle seed on top and barely cover (very lightly), just sprinkle a bit of light soil on top. They'll sprout crowded, that's ok, they seperate easy enough if you are careful. Plant about 6" apart when transplanting and cut as the grow and they'll get real bushy. don't let it start to seed till you are done with them at the end of summer or they will stop growing and get tough and lose their flavor. save lots of cilantro and basil seed for next year at summer's end to do it again. Tomatoes grow real well in pots on the porch, use a big 5 gallon bucket with holes drilled into the bottom to drain. Use good quality organic garden soil (miracle gro organic is ok). do not use cheap store bought potting soil. It can have lead and even grubs in it or who knows what, it's not meant for gardening. use plastic pots or glass for your herbs too to avoid the possible lead in clay pots.. the cilantro pesto recipe is here with comments: http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/sh...er=249106&Main=238723#Post248656The basil/cilantro chopped and eaten raw mix is my favorite. Plain cilantro is good too. Parsley makes it a tad bitter but still real good. I have to start my parsley... now is time, it takes some time to get going. The basil you can start just 2-3 weeks prior to transplanting oustide, cilantro, whenever you are ready, even with snow still on the ground is ok. It'll sprout at the first sign of warnth. Summer savory is real good too, makes great spaghetti. Probably ok in a pot. We also grow echinacea, outside, very weedy once it gets going. My daughter has never had a full blown cold. I always make her echinacea tea at the first sign of a sniffle she is always better teh next day. One time it broke a fever she came home from school within 3 hours. She also used to get canker sores from school, she would chew the echinacea they would be gone the next day. all those plants like full sun, at least 6-8 hours per day, sage needs partial shade. have fun with that, you will really enjoy the benfits. Just do it... force yourself to get started, just do it... because within 2-3 weeks of eating your homegrown stuff you will have a lot more energy to keep going at it. Now is time to start tomatoes and peppers too btw. onions, leeks... drink a good amount of water after eating that pesto to flush out. Take some calcium/magnesium.zinc supplements about 3-4 hours after if you like. that was my dinner this evening... expecting a wonderful day tomorrow... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> another interesting Item i grow is borage. i eat the young tender leaves and flowers. Gives you a very mild natural strengthening high or something. Great to eat before a day out somewhere, like kayaking, lots of good energy. very weedy I do not plant seed anymore it has taken over the garden on it's own after 5 years here. I pull lots out.
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/26/08 09:33 AM
02/26/08 09:33 AM
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Lisa,
Yes, the food dehydrators are great. I also use a pressure canner to bottle stuff for winter use.
Start those tomatoes now! And peppers! I started my first early batch a month ago, I will start some more this week for mid-season tomatoes. You want then to be 8-10" tall at least before transplanting for the best results, to get the roots buried deep enough.
Basil, and of course now cilantro are my two top items. I cannot makke it through th year without lots of pesto in summer. I could live on pesto I love it so much, nothing but nothing maks me feel so good and gives me so much energy. I use LOTS of basil (or cilantro) in my pesto. I pressure can some for winter use (just in a bit of salted water or olive oil, not nearly as good but it keeps me going. It freezes real well too.
If you want broccoli and cabbage better get them started too. They like some early frosty evenings.
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Re: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About
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02/27/08 08:10 PM
02/27/08 08:10 PM
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Hello all:
Thanks for the posts - some interesting stuff to read.
OK - I finished the book. Is it worth buying? Well, you are not going to learn much more on the space alien bodies or the working spacecraft. But, yes, it is worth putting this book in your library!
Kevin drones on a bit about how they are out to get him, and no doubt he lacks friends in a few select industries/places. But there is some more killer information about what is toxic and not, and most importantly, he has great reference lists. Names and phone numbers for all those things to do based on Chapter 6 in his first book! That alone makes it worth it to me.
Buy it on Amazon used; you won't regret it. At least I don't think you will. Since reading this I have taken maybe 8 or 10 steps in ridding my life of toxins. And I think it is working. Let me give you the latest examples, and tell me if I am wrong. Propylene glycol, and sodium lauryl sulfate. These are in shampoos, deodorants, all over, and Kevin says these are toxins too. Hell, I went out of my way to order a "toxin free" natural deodorant, and guess what the first ingredient is? Propylene glycol. Great! These two toxins are explained on page 82-83 of this book. Now, remember this is the follow-up book called "More Natural Cures Revealed." You would probably still want to buy the first book to read Chapter 6 and rest as well.
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These are just two small examples. There is a lot to explore here in setting up a toxin free life that you can actually live, and not be bummed out about.
TW
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