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Hello everyone, I am new here. I have come to the conclusion that I think I have mercury poisoning. I have several questions. Also, I have ordered Andy Cutler’s book, but it has not arrived so, if many of these questions are answered in his book, just let me know so I do not wait your time. Also, after my questions, I will give you a few of my symptoms and how I came to this conclusion.

1. What is the best way to test your mercury levels so that you know that you really have mercury poisoning?
2. While you are detoxing, do you need to frequently test your mercury levels so that you know if the levels are going down?
3. Do you need to be followed by a doctor, or can you just follow what Andy Cutler says in his book?
4. I read on this forum and found the link were several products such as the DMSA can be bought without a prescription. Has anyone ever bought them without a prescription? And if so, can you tell me where you had luck with a reputable place? I know there is so much fraud out there these days when it comes to medications and supplements.
5. Do you think it is possible to get rid of my symptoms through detoxing, if I do have mercury poisoning?

Thanks in advance! Now for a little history of myself:

In August, 1999 I started feeling down and depressed like I never had before. I did not understand why. I just did not feel right. I felt different and did not feel like myself. I felt like I wanted to withdraw from everything. Then I started getting ocd where I have a fear of germs, especially anything medical. I could not understand this especially since I never used to be like that before and worked in a hospital for years. I was extremely scared and did not understand what was going on. I thought I just needed a break and was stressed from remodeling my house, working forty plus hours a week and night school. Over the years I have been searching with my symptoms getting worse from irritability, fast heart rate to becoming extremely tired without warning. I had bouts where I would not leave my house for months.

After going to one doctor and getting treated basically like I was crazy, I did get diagnosed with Grave’s Disease, but only after I demanded that certain tests be run. So I am battling the symptoms of Grave’s Disease and ocd. After much research and reading on my own, I think I know the cause.

Looking back, in August, 1999, I had a crown replaced on my front tooth. I thought since I am there, I will get my mercury fillings replaced with porcelain because it will look better and I had also heard that people feel better after they are removed. Well, I wish I never would have had this done, because this is where my HELL began. As I read up on mercury poisoning, it all adds up. They say that certain precautions should be taken when removing mercury from your mouth. From a special barrier being placed in your mouth, having the fillings removed a few at a time and a special medication given immediately afterwards. None of these were done for me!

I was a very strong and confident person. I miss doing many things that I used to. I find this very embarrassing. Who I am now and who I was before August, 1999 are two different people!

Any help or advise will be appreciated!

Hi, welcome to the forum <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I had been mercury poisoned all my life, but did not notice symptoms as much until braces were placed on my teeth when I was 15. Then the sh*t hit the fan!

I developed OCD symptoms (constant checking of face obsessively for any marks real or imagined) fear of the light, photosensivitiy, blurred vision, withdrawn and strange behaviours, ritualistic behaviours, abnormal fears, fatigue, depression, anxiety, pallor in the face, skin blemishes unable to heal, insomnia, allergic reactions, sore eyes, skin because ultra sensitive, bowel upsets, etc.

This happened very quickly after braces went on, but nobody seemed to make the connection. It was put down to a difficult adolesence. They were removed and there was a vague improvement, but I never came right because it had obviously been the last straw to tip my body into a chronic mercury toxic condition.

From there it was one thing after another. And I suffered horribly looking back. I was put on antidepressants, which failed to work and instead gave me odd side effects. I was suicidal and bloated with toxins. Nothing helped and in the end I was close to ending it because I could not take anymore. I spent many days in bed, missing out on my young life.

Then a wonderful doctor put me on a diet for candida yeast. Candida is the typical results of underlying mercury toxicity and can cause so much misery. So my diet was radically changed and I went through a withdrawal and detox and improved greatly after a few weeks. This I think saved my life! It lifted the depression and anxiety and improved the OCD behaviours to a point, but not entirely. Skin and everything improved in quality and health.

However, something was NOT right still. THere was always a strange sense I was being poisoned by something....I could taste metal and had crying spells and salivation, though the diet helped this a lot.

later I had the amalgams out wthout any protection and didn't notice much happening. Over time however, less amalgams were obviously helping my health. My last amalgam removal I swallowed most of the amalgam and was severely sick. But my body seemed to respond to having no more amalgam by going into a withdrawal and I really did feel ill.

HOwever, I lost a lot of the toxic bloat I had and obviously my body was being propelled to go into healing mode, reather than storage mode (now that it did not need to store mercury). From there it was a difficult journey and finding myself trying so many things to excrete the metals inside of me. I went thrugh a few experienced doctors who dealt in this, but I was a very toxic and sensitive case senario, so I could not deal with their methods.

I found Andy Cutler's book in the end and applied his advice and it worked. From then on, I mainly followed his methods, but I didn't take absolutely everything supplement wise, it was too much for me. I stuck to basic antioxidant supplements like vitamin C, E and selenium (though had to start low as at first they were enough to encourage further metal elimination to a point). His protocol really got things going and kept my detox symptoms to a more sane level and sped up the chelation process much more.

I used DMSA every 4 hours (alternative weeks). Annoying to set the alarm, but I could not handle ti any other way. Taking just one DMSA in isolation could throw me into a fit of symptoms for days or longer (i mean almost insane). Taking it every 4 hours kept things stable, so I feel he was onto the right method (certainly for me).

This is what I did and his book was one of the most valuable purchases I ever made. I would definitely recommend the book and his protocol personally because it was the only one in the end I could tolerate. people on here also use his protocol and they may chip in and let you know how it's going for them.

Mercury testing is notoriously misleading. Hair tests can reveal very low levels in even some of the most toxic people for various reasons. E.g. the mercury is tightly bound up and being retained, rather than excreted outwards so that it will show up more in the hair. Or you have low levels, but your body reacts badly to even a very small amount of mercury.

low level does not equal no poisoning. If you have all the symptoms of mercury and you get worse symptoms from trying to detox it, it's a pretty good indicator in itself.

There is a way of testing Andy metnions this in his book but it should be done safely so you dont' get hurt after it long term. It is a safer challenge test.

You can apparently also have a hair test done and look at the minerals on it and see if they show a pattern of typical derangement seen in mercury poisoning.

I get my DMSA from a lab in my country (new zealand). It is excellent, works fine. www.clinicians.co.nz It may not show up on the website though, but you can phone in if you wish to order (depending where you live).

otherwise, you can join this forum here http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/ They deal exclusively with Cutler's protocol and also have places listed on there to get DMSA without prescription. people there should be able to advise you where they get theirs and which ones maybe more reputable.

I hope this is helpful.

Your unprotected rash removal will have no doubt exposed you to a tremendous amount of mercury and many people have been through this. Don't give up hope! Chelation most definitley does remove mercury and in doing so allows for slow healing to take place. It is not a race and not a speedy process. It takes time.

Make sure you have no other metals in your mouth! It is wise to get solid porcelain without a metal base to it. Some porcelains have metal bases (old style ones usually do). So you can check that out too. I have cerec porcelain.

This link here should also be helpful to you:
http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html

Also consider the role candida maybe playing in your symptoms. Because the diet truly saved my life and helped me along the healing road greatly. It is typically part of the mercury toxic senario and ousting all sugar, gluten and yeast from your diet could make some dramatic or at least helpful improvements! A dentist here will actually not remove amalgams until the patient is in a healthier position and the diet is part of that. If they refuse to do it, he will not do the job.

That's how important it is to do these other things too.

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Your amazing Bex, I think we should all chip in and start paying you for your great posts!, your allways one of the first to reply to a new chum and you just answered a couple of questions i had.
Cheers! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/twoandtwo.gif" alt="" />

lol!! Thanks Heavyhead! I have a lot of time on my hands and to be able to get on here and be of any use or help is actually helping me!!

I say a lot of stuff that i've repeated ad nauseum and must get kind of tiring to read for thse who have been on here for awhile now, but it's been advice for me that has worked and has been pretty sound and I can only hope it'll help someone else in the situation I was in (and probably still am to some degree, though it's more viral related).

I relate a lot to the people on this forum, moreso than people in my own life. I guess I've been toxic for so many years, it's never really left me and I feel very at home here. A bit like an extended family in a way I can't explain. Hope that doesn't sound corny!

Cheers and thanks for your lovely message! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

1. What is the best way to test your mercury levels so that you know that you really have mercury poisoning?

-first read amalgam illness and secondly do a hair test. You need to do a specific hair test, not any old hair test. Let me know and I will provide the details. For 100pct confirmation of mercury toxicity, once you are mercury free, take a mercury chelator like DMSA….if you get a reaction you are mercury toxic, if no reaction you are not toxic….but from the book you will be able to self diagnose.

2. While you are detoxing, do you need to frequently test your mercury levels so that you know if the levels are going down?

-no. your symptoms will be your guide. Hair tests are recommened once per year to see what happening but your symptoms and health will be your guide.

3. Do you need to be followed by a doctor, or can you just follow what Andy Cutler says in his book?

-if you can find a doctor that is knoweldgable in mercury then go for it. most people cannot find them. I have not. Only doctors I’ve found have hurt me with their $hit advice.

4. I read on this forum and found the link were several products such as the DMSA can be bought without a prescription. Has anyone ever bought them without a prescription? And if so, can you tell me where you had luck with a reputable place? I know there is so much fraud out there these days when it comes to medications and supplements.

No need for a prescription. I get mine here http://www.worldwidehealthcenter.net/category.php?find=dmsa

5. Do you think it is possible to get rid of my symptoms through detoxing, if I do have mercury poisoning?

Yes but not on its own. Getting better is so more that just chelating with specific mercury chelators. Getting better is about supporting and cleansing your toxic body. When you read AI you will see the protocol is simple….low dosage dmsa, dmpa, ala round the clock 3 days on protocol, then 4 days rest. Simple stuff. The book is full of support methods for your body. All your organs have been compromised by mercury so they ALL need help…..Cutler describes what you can do to help yourself. you get to decide what problems get treated first.

Welcome to the forum Bfree and Heavy head, you are lucky........ not many people figure it out, congratulations. You are now in a position to start taking measures to get better.

THANKS Bex and Sunshine P for the helpful information and the welcome!

I did have a hair analysis back in June of 2006 and it indicated that my mercury level was not high. I also have read that a hair analysis is not a good indicator of mercury because mercury can hide deep in tissues and this will not be detected through a hair analysis.

I had a hair analysis before I put the pieces together that brought me to the conclusion of mercury poisoning. At the time, I was really researching Grave’s Disease. I had the hair analysis done through Dr. Janet Star Hull’s website. Here is link to her website: http://www.detoxprogram.net/ I see that Sunshine P mentioned that there is a specific hair test that should be done to test for mercury. I would appreciated it, if you have the time, to check our this website and let me know if this is the correct hair analysis or, if there is another one available that I should have used.

Thanks again for the information and the welcome! bfree

A hair test is a good indicator of mercury toxicity IF you know how to read it. Reading it is bloody hard, but loads of mercury toxic people have done the hair tests so if you compare the tests you can see if you too are mercury toxic. Notice the word “indicator”. i.e. it indicates if there is a problem. i.e. it helps in understanding but is not always a confirmation. To compare tests with others…all the tests have to be the same…hence the need to do the same test. All these lab use different values and methods in testing.

Your link does not give the lab used, but it did say this “Dr. David Quig, Vice President, Scientific Support, Doctor's Data Laboratory talks about the hair analysis procedure and benefits.”

……………and Doctors Data Lab is the people have been using to compare notes. Cool.

That Cutler bloke also wrote a nice long book about it, which is real interesting and you will learn lots and lots about yourself….but stick with Amalgam illness for now as its heavy duty and you need to read AI first.

If you did the right test, then you simply post it somewhere and then some really cool helpful mercury knowledgable people help you understand what it means. Free of charge too.That’s that Yahoo group Bex suggested you join in her earlier post. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/

Test needs to have been a “Hair elements test” by Doctors Data inc. (DDI)

You post the test here……..
http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/hairtest.html
you can look at mine if you wish…I am “Hair test 112 series – 38 yrs old male” – if yr test looks like that then you did the right test.

You need to join that Yahoo group to get the help. Its free

Ah! I just found the instructions for posting………

How to post DDI hair tests to the Yahoo frequent-dose-chelation group

Option No. 1:

You can send the PDF to hairtest@livingnetwork.co.za

Dean posts the hair tests at:

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/hairtest.html

Prepare the following information to remind everyone what is going on with you:
Please be sure to include your location (City and Country) when you e-mail the
test, and all other relevant information such as:
1) Current symptoms and medical history;
2) Current dental work in place and dental history;
3) Supplements; medications and chelating schedule at the time of hair test;
4) Recently added supplements and medications after the hair test and date
added;
5) Other relevant information.

Option No. 2:

If you don’t have a scanned copy of the hair test you can use the template below to copy your results into an email and post it to the main list. Be sure to include all relevant information as mentioned (1-5, above) to help people to interpret the test.

The "format" below can be "copied and pasted" to your email, just be sure to fill it all in completely:
POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS
element result ref range color
=============================================
etc…..

Full list is in the Yahoo groups “files” sections

Then of course there are the counting rules……….

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html

Get your reading goggles on. enjoy!

Bfree, not sure where you live, but DMSA without a prescription is available in the US at www.kirkmanlabs.com. Very inexpensive. Be sure to start on low doses. Sounds like you are definitely beyond 4 months post amalgam removal so you could do ALA. But start with DMSA FIRST according to the protocol listed on the Andy Cutler frequent dosing chelation web sites.

Best to you!

Thanks to everyone! I really, really appreciate all your help and information! I will now take some time to digest it all, visit the suggested websites and try to get my hair analysis posted as recommended.

I’m sure I will have a lot more questions as I go through this process.

I am excited for Andy Cutler’s book to arrive.

Thanks again, bfree

You're welcome Bfree! It seems overwhelming at first with all the information, but you soon get used to it. Do things only as you can handle it. The frequent dose group is excellent in a technical sense for information about this particular protocol, testing, places you can get the chelating products. etc.

I hope this will all help you on your journey in getting well. I have his book also, but the cover has fallen off it...so that should tell you how many times it's been picked up and gone through <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I find it is a very indepth and often complicated read, but jam packed full of helpful information. It is not the most organised book, but is probably the best book on mercury toxicity and chelation that I have come across. I find the supplement suggestions a bit overwhelming, but he covers almost everything. So I pretty much followed the chelation and did what I coudl with the supplements, usually just taking only the basics and following a good diet.

I also had Hal Huggins book "It's all in your Head" too because I really feel his and Cutlers is excellent to have on hand. Huggins goes into the best diet for a mercury toxic person and believes they should eliminate sugars, wheat/gluten, caffeine, milk etc and instead consume enough protein from meat and eggs and fats like real butter. This is to aid the body to heal and handle the toxins too.

Many people mercury toxic can become far worse when eating sugar and wheat and things like that. I have ousted them all, including coffee. and upped my intake of protein in meat and eggs and animal fats like butter and lard and also having extra virgin olive oil. It does help.

You may find this helpful to you as well if you are interested in your diet. http://www.westonaprice.org/splash_2.htm
Check the options out on the left side and go from there. Fantastic information and probably the best advice I have heard on this topic!

Thanks again to all for your help! It is so nice to know you are all there for my many questions!

Bex, I will check the site on diet. In fact I have made a list of all the different sites that have been recommended to me.

Sunshine P, thank you for the information on hair analysis. I looked at where you posted your mercury test and I have several questions:

What I looked at under “Hair test 112 series – 38 yrs old male”, is that just the test or is it the interpretation? If it is only the test, where are the interpretations posted?

If it is the interpretation, I already have that part from the same lab. I am glad to hear that I used a good lab. On my test, my mercury level only is .13, and that is what concerned me because in my heart, I think I have mercury poisoning that started from when I had all my fillings removed.

Now for all who would like to reply: so, is it possible to still have mercury poisoning and it not show up in a hair test? I have read that is the case because the mercury is just buried deep in other tissues. What is your opinion on this. Also, if that is the case, what is the best way to check mercury levels? Or, as suggested before, should I not worry about my level and go by how I react to DMPS? I apologize if I am repeating the same questions in a different way!

Thanks, bfree

Those are NOT the interpretations of my hair test, just my symptoms, history etc.
I read the hair test book and I made a lot of observations which are here:

http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/sh...&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

The big long message half way down from me. I did most of that myself, but the yahoo group helped. It was a lot of work reading the hair test book. Its bloody complicated. But bloody interesting finding out what else is wrong with me.

Q : is it possible to still have mercury poisoning and it not show up in a hair test?

100pct yes. This is very common, especially with old exposures. Some people do not excrete mercury…which is why you would have no mercury coming out of your head into yr hair.

You will prob start on DMSA, not DMPS because DMPS is prescription only.

Any reactions to DMSA will confirm mercury toxicity, but there is not need to rush and do this right now. Best to wait for AI to arrive and start reading, it explains everything. Post the hair test as suggested so that yahoo FDC can help you understand whats going on. Mercury detox takes probably minimum 1 year, so a couple of weeks here or there is no big deal. You need to prepare yourself as best as possible and AI will enable you to do that. Read the book, post the hair test……learn about it first. Chelation is simple, but eassy to get wrong and get hurt. Dosing quantities you should get from Yahoo FDC and not as per the book. The book was written in 1999 and after much experimenting lower dosages are recommended…start at 12.5 mg DMSA

If you are impatient to get reading…………………………

http://books.google.com/books?id=ZG...amp;sig=lnJt_ZFayPxJ5hOY7KdGVKCJSag#PPP1,M1

I've read that a urine test for mercury is more conclusive than the hair test?! Any input in that

Have a search here http://onibasu.com/

Search under “autism-mercury”

Include the word “cutler” in your search

Also here ……………. http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html#fractionated_urine_p_tests