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Hello,

I'm quite sure that I have an amalgam related illness and I'm going to have my amalgams removed but till that day I'm not sure what kind of vitamins or complements I can take to detox me. I know that chelation is not safe until you remove your amalgams but I was told that you can take some complements such as clhorella, c vitamin, l-gluthation, and some others. But reading this post I've realized that some people do not recommend chlorela, and take a lot of things I've never heard before so now I'm a little bit confused. Can anybody tell me the right directions to begin detoxing myself and preventing myself from the absortion of mercury from my mouth?
Till now I was taking chlorella, selenium, salmon oil, c vitamin nd l-glutation, what do you thing about this? should I change something?

Thanks in advance,
Regards
Sergio

welcome to the forum , what do you feel are your worst symtoms ? and how long have you had them?

Hello,

Now I have a lot of symptoms, some others come and go, the worsts are these:
extreme tireness;
very weak memory;
blurred vision;
fogged mind;
uncapability to concentrate,
depression;
nervousness;

some other simptoms are:
imsomnia
panic attacs;
heartburn;
metal taste;
headaches;
vertigo;
photophobia;
acne;
behaviour problems;
and many others you should know

I've been feeling this way for 8 years. They began shortly after I was put my dental fillings (12 in total). The tireness came first, then the blurry vision, the nervousness, the tachicardia, the panic attacs, ... till I was unable to even rise from my bed. I would like to tell you my whole story but now i'm feeling quite fogged (lately it is getting worse) and I can't think with clarity, maybe tomorrow. I think that the suplemments I'm taking now are not working properly so I need help with this.

regards
Sergio

Hi Sergio, I am very sorry to hear of your suffering, but most of us have been there (and some still are).

You have obviously done the right research and used your common sense as well to realise that amalgam mercury is most likely at the root of your problems here. I know how difficult it is when you are so ill, you're almost too sick to contemplate what is required to improve....

Overwhelmed by the procedures necessary. I know how this is. If your supplements are not helping you, I would not continue taking them, because chlorella and the like are in some people, able to mobilise and stir up more mercury.

So if you're not getting improvements? You could risk making things worse. When I was very mercury toxic, I was unable to take sulfur supplements because of the symptoms it produced. Admittedly some mercury no doubt came out as a result, but at a big cost.

Some people thrive on sulfur supplements and chlorella etc. Garlic, methionine, cysteine, NAC etc. Because mercury depletes and competes with sulfur in the body. It depends on what's going on with you and what you can handle.

At this point, I would not take unnecessary risks with too much sulfur supplementation. Evidentally it's not doing much for you? I would first address your diet. This is the foundation of your body's ability to cope with the toxicity already going on, lower high yeast levels (which occur in mercury poisoning commonly), and aid healing.

This means to exclude unnecessary sugars from your diet - white sugar, brown sugar, anything containing those sugars. And to exclude wheat/gluten, because the mercury toxic gut is usually unable to handle these kinds of grains and I hear that wheat is treated with mercury fungicide. Plus lowering your milk intake (or eliminating it). Milk can apparenty intefere with mercury detoxification, plus the lactose in it can feed candida. Cheese should also be avoided. Plus caffeine (coffee in particular). Caffeine too can interfere with detoxing mercury and apparently can wipe out good bacteria. It can also place more strain on your adrenals.

These are the minimal I would exclude. If you have candida seriously enough, you may even need to eliminate fruit intake and all grains and even potatoes and corn. These, though natural, are still natural forms of sugars that yeast can still feed on (if yu have a bad enough case of it).

Yeast gives off its own toxins and combines with the mercury to overload your already burdened system. The gut and liver required to help eliminate toxins, are often having to deal with candida and cannot handle anything else.

The diet is not just about lowering yeast levels to a more tolerable level, but it is basically about improving immune system. Eating healing foods like eggs, meats, vegetables (raw/steamed/stir fried) and healing fats like butter, extra virgin olive oil, fish oil (mercury free), acidophilus plain sugar free yoghurt, raw nuts (excluding peanuts), can go a long way in helping with your symptoms. Many people find relief and some dramatic improvements.

Though the underlying condition is obviously amalgam related, many of the symptoms can be attributed to candida. Candida is an opportunistic and will overgrow or take over when the body is very toxic and unable to keep control of it. Candida apparently methylates mercury, making it even more toxic.

A dentist in my country (biological), takes his mercury toxic patients through a stage by stage approach to prepare them for the removal of their amalgams. So important is it to improve your health before removal, that some people who have rushed in and gotten their amalgams removed without first addressing their present health, can make matters much worse.

This dentist puts his toxic patients on an anti-candida diet and sometimes gentle antifungal herbal agents. I would be cautious though of antifungals and start with diet, becuase antifungals can be so strong as to destroy a load of candida at one go by splitting their cell walls open. Candida apparently can contain mercury and other metals, so splitting them open at onetime can release this back into the system. This can REALLY make a person ill. I had it done to me and had to chelate the metals back out!

So diet is the gentlest place to start by starving out the yeast overgrowth slowly over time. Yu may feel worse intially as the yeast is dying off - e.g. headaches, fatigue, weakness, nausea, bowel upsets, feeling dizzy or drunk, itching, coated tongue, etc etc. In other words, the symptoms you already have may increase as the yeast are dying and new ones may occur.

If some or many of your problems are candida related, you may find a big relief after treating it by the diet.

Other than this? Getting your amalgams out by a reputable biologic dentist, offering full protection is obviously needed. I would not rush into this and get too many removed in one session. Some people have gotten worse because of doing that. Take it step by step.

Supplements may help you a bit too. Some people feel that vitamin C, vitamin E, selenium and other antioxidants can be helpful to them (milk thistle etc). However, some find that even they can increase some symptoms too. So it is best to start off slow and test your responses and only take as much as you can handle.

I would recommend this website here:
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/ It is excellent, but maybe a touch extreme if you wish to try the diet a bit more loosely at first (if you want to do it at all).

Other than that, I'd recommend you check out some links on this forum by others - http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/sh...=5&o=&fpart=1#Post248810

This may answer some more questions for you.

Serge,

The mercury VAPOR is mostly being inhaled (according to Dr. Cutler). If you breathe through your nose as much as possible you should be able to reduce exposure. If you open your mouth exhale first before breathing in (eating).

To get at the mercury, selenium up to 200mcg per day should help reduce some of the symptoms as it inactivates mercury (but does not remove it).

I have yet to see a study showing Chlorella removes mercury by either route.

As for natural chelators:




FROM: http://www.cancertutor.com/Autism/ComprehensiveGuide.doc

Welcome to the group, Sergio.

My first and only advice:
Buy the book written by Andrew Cutler about amalgams illness.
Do not try to read about every protocol out there, it going to make you more confuse.
Remember buy the book, meanwhile read as much as you can about Cutler protocol on this site http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/adult-metal-chelation/

Good luck

Joe

I second that, buy the book. it will be the best $35 you spend in 2008.

Hello,

here am i again,

thanks guys, you gave a lot of info, but now I'm a little bit more confused. There's a lot to read (and understand). I'm going to buy the book, but it will take at least two weeks to arrive here. Meanwhile I need something to begin with. Based in your experiences what do you think I can take?. I have access to to vitamins c,e,b, selenium, zinc, garlic, nac, and many others suplements but they don't have algin, they don't even know what it is. I've found algin for food industries (sodium algin powder) but I don't know if it is the same stuff.


Concerning the food, I also think that I have a candida problem, I don't take sugar and avoid many other things but I've read bee's pages and now I think that I can eat almost nothing!! Nutrishment in my country is based on bread and rice (mostly) and access to natural food is not easy, I think I need to do more research. The way to health is long and hard.

Thanks again
Sergio

When you introduce new supplements, you should introduce them one at a time. Start on a low dose and gradually work upwards towards yr target dose, over 3 or 4 days. I usually take 1 week to work upto my target dose of a new supplement. Why? Why do I take so long? Painful experience has taught me that. One supplement I’m currently taking will take 6 weeks to get to my target dose…..thats how careful I have become. Not all supplements need to be done like this, but you should do it slow to see if you get a bad reaction.

In my opinion, you should stop chlorella for now until you read a bit more. The book will explain everything. The book is a lot to take in all in one go, I had to read it more than once to understand it. it is a bit haphazard to say the least.

vitamins c,e,b, zinc, algin – all ok and can be introduced fairly quickly 3 days each upto target dose.

Selenium – be a bit careful with this, some people don’t handle high doses too well, but you won’t find out until you try, so take it easy at high dosage.


Garlic – should be fine, but again go slow…causes die-off of candida and if you have a sulphur problem….causes other problems. Again you won’t find out until you try, so take it easy.

Nac – lots of people are fine with NAC, lots of people are not. I took NAC for 1 day and it screwed me up big time for 2 months. Again you won’t find out until you try, so take it easy.

If you are impatient to get reading……………

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

http://books.google.com/books?id=ZG...&sig=EADlKYoDRdIG_N0R9oIa9oK5ckc

that is more than enough to get you started…….enjoy!

Hello,

it seems that I know why I was feeling so badly lately. I was in flu and my lungs where full of liquid so I take NAC to help this thing go out. I took 600mg per day during four days, and I think this was a big mistake, as I've read in this forum that sulfur suplemments can cause an increase of simpthoms, am I right?

In addition to this a friend of mine told me that that maybe my body is exhausted because of the fight and thus I need a kidneys cleaning, a liver cleaning, a bowel cleaning and a parasite cleaning. I think he is right, but I don't know anything about this protocols, can you tell me about them? and another important question is if I can make one of this cleanings while I'm taking also my antimercurial suplements?

Sergio

Hi Sergio. Let’s look on the bright side of this! Well done, you figured out what was causing the trouble, congrats. It’s very frustrating when we try so hard to help ourselves and in doing so it just makes us worse. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. It hurts. Take care and get well soon Sergio. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sadblownose.gif" alt="" />

Having problems with NAC suggests that you have a problem with sulphur foods. Best way to find out if you have a sulphur problem is exclude them all for 1 week. You may feel better excluding sulphur foods, you may feel the same, you may feel worse…….
Then after a week slowly introduce a little sulphur food and see how you react. I did that by mistake, excluded all sulphur foods for 1 week, and then I drank pure juiced leeks. Man o man, did that hurt me. All I could smell for 3 days was leeks. Even now, 5 months later it makes me gag thinking of leeks……so yeah….just go slow on the re-introduction.

I carried this list around in my pocket for a couple of months. stick the list into a word doc and sort into alphabetical order makes life simple.

From the horses mouth, Andy Cutler :

“Mostly sulfury foods, a few supps.

Supps: NAC, MSM, cysteine, cystine, garlic, onion, turmeric/curcumin.

Foods:
the spice turmeric (yellow in curry) and
artichokes, jerusalem but not french
asparagus
bean curd
tofu
milk
bean sprouts
beans of all sorts
bok choy
broccoli
brussels sprouts
cabbage
carob
cauliflower
cheese of all sorts
chives
chocolate
coffee
collard
greens
cream
daikon
eggs
garlic
green beans
horseradish
jicama
kale
leeks
lentils of all sorts
milk from any animal
miso soup
onions
papaya (slightly)
peas
pineapple (slightly)
radishes
rutabaga
sauerkraut
sour cream
soy
cheese
soy milk
spinach
split peas
tempeh
Tofu
turnip
greens
whey
yeast extract”

taken from here http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/19354

have any of these foods given you trouble before? eggs is common, so too is onions and garlic.

Have a read of this……………………

"Glutathione is your body's natural antioxidant and mercury is an
oxidation catalyst, so mercury uses up glutathione and leads to
reduced levels.

Glutathione has a thiol group on it which mobilizes mercury and
causes the mercury to be more toxic, so increasing glutathione
levels makes whatever amount of mercury is present be MORE harmful.

Thus there is a tradeoff, and you want the RIGHT AMOUNT of
glutathione for your body's needs. Not just more and more - you
don't want too much any more than you want too little.

Some people's bodies respond to mercury by making more thiol
containing things like glutathione and cysteine. For these people
they need to REDUCE their intake of everything sulfury to keep
levels down.

Other people's bodies respond to mercury by having low levels of
glutathione etc. and they need to INCREASE their intake of sulfury
stuff."

Taken from here : http://onibasu.com/archives/am/2470.html

– I will answer this first because its easy. As a general rule; Yes you can take antimercury supplements during cleansing…….mostly. Some cleanses you have to stop for a day or two, but instructions will be with that cleanse. liver flushing for example you stop taking them for 1 day.


I wholeheartedly agree with your friend. You should hangout with him/her more often. That is excellent advice. Mercury poisoning is the cause of all these organs being congested and not working correctly.

I have done all of those cleanses, more than once each, and I guarantee you that you need to do them all, and that you will feel massively better for doing them. Yup, massively better.

If you do them, clean up yr diet and chelate mercury you will then be cured. Don’t know how long it will take!!! Nor how many times you will have to do them!!!! but after each you will feel better and better.

Body Cleansing for Adults:

1. Bowel cleanse and Parasite cleanse !

2. Dental cleanup - dental work may be one cofactor of your disease: amalgam, Root canal, Nickel crowns, Cavitations (pocket inside jaw bone left after extraction of the wisdom and molar teeth )

3. Kidney cleanse

4. Start cleansing your liver: Liver cleanse and Gallbladder cleanse -liver flush!

This is also the correct order that you should do the cleanses in. The reason for the order is because what goes before makes what goes after easier.
(note: the liver flush is a very strong cleanse and really takes it out of you. it powerfully cleanses the liver, but with mercury toxic people it can be too powerful. Only do it after serious research and when you are feeling good.)

click here http://curezone.com/diseases/health.asp
and you will find an excellent starting point for all these cleanses.

You can only do one thing at a time, so start at the beginning researching bowel cleanses and parasite cleanses. I had great success with Humaworm which is a bowel cleanse and a parasite cleanse all in one. Start reading here www.humaworm.com and here http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=757

It's probably not even wise to begin a full blown chelation routine without a bowel/colon cleanse routine to go along with it. You have to unclog your gut/colon if you expect to actually make good progress. There are herbal cleanses and another excellent option is professional hydrotherapy/colonic, that made a huge difference for me. You can unload a major amount of toxins in an afternoon with a good professional colon flush (make sure wherever you go they have a good reputation). But if that's not an option, definitely use the herbal route, it's even good to do both.

The hulda clark liver cleanse is amazing too.

It's true, the colon cleansing and liver flushing will make you feel massively better.

It's ok to do those with some amlagams still in, colon cleanse and parasite cleanse should come before a liver flush.

Sunshine is a pro at these.

Hello,

So I suppose I have sulfur problem, so I cannot take gluthation, or nac, or many other things. it's sad because it is said that gluthation can help with your mind fogginess wich is one of my worst problems.

I haven't even imagined that i had this problem. Apart form aesparragus, that make me sick, I didn't notice feeling much worse after eating some of those foods (eggs, garlic, i like them very much), in fact I always feel worse after eating anything, so they don't make a difference from others foods.

So, what can I do now to ensure that sulfur makes me sick? another diet? test myself with gluthation?

I've also noticed that the nac I take (that was in powder form) had aspartane as excipient. I read that aspartane can increase depression and anxiety problems, could this had happened to me instead of the sulfur intolerance?

Now I'm taking clorelha, omega3 , selenium, vit c e b and milk whistle. Should I take something else? some suplemments to avoid mercury intaking? what do you think about activated charcoal?


Sergio

HI there,

Actually sulfur foods will likely not only NOT help you with mind fogginess, but increase this is if you are already high in sulfur! Because the extra sulfur may stir up the mercury and this can lead to increase uptake into more sensitive areas (even brain).

Mind fogginess is also candida, so again not all of these things is mercury. And candida must be looked into for anybody experiencing plenty of symptoms. Because it's such an opportunist.

For me, when I was mercury toxic. Sulfur foods were often a problem for me. But it depended on how much I ate at one sitting. I could eat eggs, but not if I had eggs PLUS onions at the same dinner. I had to just limit how much I had at onetime.

I also found that even cabbage could stir symptoms. But again, sulfur foods are very healthy. It is the mercury that is the problem, not these foods. Mercury is so easily stirred up by sulfur if you have too much of it.

You will be the best judge of this. If you feel bad no matter what you do and don't notice worsening from consuming sulfur, then it may not be an issue.

Chlorella can also be problematic for some people. As far as I know, it is high in sulfur also. It certainly can stir up mercury. But again, some do wonderfully on this stuff as they may do great on sulfur foods. and supplements like garlic, msm etc.

If your diet is already limited by treating yeast, then excluding sulfur foods can be very challenging and you do not want to starve yourself and actually make your overall condition weaker in the process.

I know it's confusing, but you have to honestly go by how you feel and the most important foods personally I think to avoid is sugar, caffeine, white flour, yeast, and limit or eliminate all high carb foods (even some of the healthy ones), milk/cheese.

Definitely steer clear of aspartane!!!! Do NOT go near that stuff. That could well have been causing issues for you, rather than the sulfur. But NAC on it's own is still a risky supplement for some mercury toxic people.

Eating otherwise healthy foods is what you want to do to build yourself up, keep yeast at bay and aid your body in coping with the mercury and hopefully supporting it to eliminate toxins.

I would eliminate the extra sulfur supplementation and experiment with the sulfur in your diet instead until you are sure it's not causing unnecessary symptoms in regards to the mercury. Those supplements can always be added again later.

Ones people usually take to help protect them against mercury are the basic antioxidants like vitamin C, vitamin E, selenium, milk thistle etc. But even THESE can exacerbate symptoms because of their potency and ability to help the body move more toxins. But antioxidants are important. So start slow and only dose to tolerance.

Charcoal maybe ok temporarily, but I don't think it's something i'd use long term. Algin maybe a better one to get. Algin is available on this herballure forum. It apparently helps sponge up mercury and is safe because it's not a chelating agent.

I hope this helps a little, sorry I know it's confusing but everybody is so different that you never know what reactions they will have. There are some who may do well with almost anything even with amalgams in their teeth. Sosick on here is one of them. she takes things like cilantro and garlic to help her body with the mercury and she still has amalgams. Some cannot handle these things.

It is so individual and also your needs can change too. At one stage you may do well with certain products, another stage you may not.

Hi Sergio. When I figured out I could not handle sulphur foods, I excluded them all and felt much better. I also supplemented taurin 2000mg per day in divided doses, which seems to agree with me.

Don’t do anything too drastic until Amalgam Illness by Cutler arrives and you start reading that. Many things will then start making sense. And you will have about a million more questions too….LOL….but anyway….

If I where you I’d stop the chlorella now. Go with some of the supplements recommended and read the famous BOOK….woooooooooooooooo

Thanks for your interest sunshine

I will stop clorelha and see what it happens. I'm going to try algin but I have to wait till my order arrives from the usa, Do you now a place in europe where you can buy algin or any other supplement?

I'll follow your advice about taurine. By the way: have you read this article? http://george-eby-research.com/html/depression-anxiety.html
here it says that you can fight depression with magnesium taurinate, will be this helpfull?

by the way, I suppose that candida is another of the things we should fight, but i don't know how. Do you know any web page with directions to fight candida? will humaworm help with this?

yes, i have a lot of questions, I need a lot of help.

Sergio

I did click that link, but was heavy duty too long…..i don’t know much about depression cures, I cured mine a while ago by some unorthodox methods and don’t pay lots of attention to depression threads much.

I used to take lots of magnesium citrate, but after reading lots and lots changed to taking a pinch of Epsom salts with each meal for my magnesium intake. It works for me, but you will find very few places recommending that because………because Epsom salts is so so so cheap….too cheap for any company to research or recommend. It works for me. if u interested I can dig out my research, I have it somewhere around here. It make good sense to me, but you will have to read a bit.

Candida. Ummmm….much is written about this. Much more is misunderstood about this. Even correctly diagnosing it is very difficult. But the good news is Yes Humaworm will sort out candida. Skip over to curezone and just search “candida” on the Humaworm forum. It gets talked about in great detail, many people seem to give glowing reports of Humaworm and candida. http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=757

Trying stuff and getting hurt is so easy for mercury toxic people. Questions are cool.

For weird and wonderful supplements http://www.purebio.co.uk/

Lots of supplements incl DMSA http://www.worldwidehealthcenter.net/index.php

Lots of supplements http://www.nutricentre.com/

I get the majority of my Vits and Mins here https://www.cytoplan.co.uk/acatalog/index.html

Herbs http://www.cosmasorganics.co.uk/

Coconut oil http://www.coconoil.co.uk/

Hi Sergio.

To heal candida, you must change your diet.

You must elminate all sugars, gluten grains (even all grains for a time), fruit, honey, potatoes, corn, peas, beans etc. Milk and cheese.

Those things will feed candida and keep it at high levels. It is not easy to get rid of those things because often we crave them, but it is necessary if you want to lower candida levels.

You can eat freely meat (chicken, beef, lamb, etc), eggs (If you're ok with them), vegetables (apart from the ones I mentioned above), acidophilus sugar free plain yoghurt, raw nuts might be ok (almonds/brazil).

Herbal tea is ok. I would stay away from coffee.

When you do this, the candida will not be able to thrive and will start to die off. When it starts to die off, you may feel worse for a while. Sometimes you can feel ill for weeks, but improvements usually follow and you can feel much better.

Humaworm will help a lot too as sunshine has suggested. But diet is very important and should be done no matter what you are taking.

Here is a website that will help you with this.
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/ Read the "articles".

Though the diet on there is even more strict that the one I mentioned. It's up to you should you wish to follow the more stricter one, or the one I mentioned.

Bex is the Diet Queen and she really knows her stuff. Stuff like Humaworm can kill it and reduce it, but without serious diet action…..it comes back. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />

Yeah maybe so, but I would add to the diet advice: molybdenum + B5 (300 mcg + 100-200 mg) per day. When I started the anti-candida diet I got a die-off and the acetaldehyde started depositing in my body. Almost immediately I also started getting muscle pains, and perhaps some slowly growing brain fog that didn't go away easily. Now I know that it was the acetaldehyde that did it. Could have been avoided easily with the above addition.

On a candida forum there was someone who did a mineral hair test, and found molybdenum level to be about 0. Better not make this mistake, and perhaps supplement with copper if you intend to take large doses of molybdenum (> 300 mcg per day).
Though it has to be said that the risk of unbalancing yourself with copper is small. Whatever moly reserves you have will be quickly used up - I found that my initial reserves whatever I had left (liver stores some milligrams), were used up within a few weeks after removal. After that detox will be slow. Coupled with adrenal fatigue, you know you're also very low on B5 too, and things slow down to a crawl. With ALA chelation, I think 300 mcg is too little, it all gets used up within a day for me. Also getting chills when chelating, which is some hangover related which means the acetaldehyde gets caught in the safety net (because you're doing things right) and transformed into acetic acid.

lol. Thanks sunshine. I just like to pass it on <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I figure I'm a really bad case senario and if it works at all with me? it should work for anybody else with candida too (hopefully).

Comes mainly from Bee (lady on candida forum) and weston price. I believe it in a lot because basically any deviance from it leads to disaster for me. Others may not need to be so strict, but I'd always err on the side of caution. Alot of it has been painful trial and error too, to see exactly what I could get away with.

Yeah, without the diet, these antifungal treatments don't seem to be much good. The results never last, plus if the person is still feeding yeast with diet, whilst trying to kill it with antifungals, it's kind of a neverending pointless cycle.

Pgm, I didn't take the stuff you mentioned when I first went on this diet. I went through die off and had a lot of the yeast alcohol release which caused dizziness and other symptoms. It wasn't pleasant, but at least it gave me a good indicator that things were definitely dying off and working. That for me was almost part of the diagnosis.

Thanks again sunshine for your response,

Yes, I would like to know more thing about your cure for depression, it will be great.

Thanks for the pages, they are great.

I've talked again with my friend who told me about making the cleanings, but he told me that I should do first the kidneys cleaninig.
That's because if you kill candida or any other fungus or parasites then many toxins are freed and it culd be quite dangerous if you don't have your kidneys ready to filter. When you kill candida it can free mercury too. I read this somewhere too. Any criticism to this?


Bex, I think that I can't eat anything but i'm trying the diet, I'm beginning slowly, still eating rice and some beans, will discard it soon, but I have some questions: can I eat fish? can I eat butter? why I can eat yogur but I can't eat cheese (both have lactose)?

I know I'm asking to much, but I really need help
thank for being so kind...
Sergio

Hi Sergio,

Careful of fish, most contain mercury. Some have lower levels, but if you are very toxic and sensitive, you may find you have problems with it. I choose to take a mercury free fish oil supplement instead (blue ice is apparently one of the best brands).

Yoghurt can be ok for some candida sufferers, because the lactose is changed into another form during the process and isn't quite the same as heese and milk as such. They are no nos. however, if you feel yoghurt is a problem, just leave it out.

You can eat as much butter as you want. In fact, the site I sent you advocates consuming a lot of it because of how healing it is. Again it is not quite like milk or cheese. and is actually very good against candida and hal Huggins recommends it for mercury too!!

You can have it in cooking, added to hot food, or some even eat it as is. Animal fats are proving very healthy for human beings and it's the hardened vegetable oils like canola etc that are quite toxic. You can find out quite a bit from the link I sent you. Don't be afraid of animal fats, be wary of the plant oils. The only vegetable oil that is fit for human consumption apparently is good old extra virgin olive oil!

I also consume the fat on meats with the meat. I do not cut them off. The extra fat in my diet has helped me, not hurt me.

The one that hurt me was vegetable oil (deep fried chips), I started getting heart symptoms believe it or not. I suffered light headedness, pressure and pain up the left arm etc etc. Very frightening. I stopped that very quickly.

Sometimes initally on this healing diet, you can indeed get symptoms and may make you feel worse for a time. It isn't easy but it is rewarding when you start getting a breakthrough.

Check this link out and look at the left for topics.
http://www.westonaprice.org/splash_2.htm
Here is the link on fats
http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/index.html

Hahahaha……errrmm…….yeah…..i no longer recommend my “special” cure for depression, so best find someone that knows all about depression. I smoked pot furiously as much as possible……for 10 years…..just numbed the pain and caused a host of other problems. Not recommended in the slightest. I didn’t know $hit then. In fact I didn’t even realise I was depressed I was so stoned. Almost seems funny now looking back! Sorry, someone else will have to help on that one.

Cleansing. Now this I do know a lot about because I have done and continue to do lots of cleansing. This is the path to great health, that is guaranteed. Can get a little rough when you first do them, but most of the time you will feel much much better after the die-off \ healing crisis has passed. You are cleaning out your insides and that’s a great great thing that is 100pct necessary to heal. 100pct.

You can do the cleanses in any order you want. Depends on what specifically are your problems, but more importantly what you learn first. You’ve been recommended to do a kidney cleanse first. That’s cool. That’s good advice and you can do that and you will be fine if you want to.

Personally I did all the cleanses in the wrong order. I did the hardest first, and the easiest last and now I know why some cleanses should go before others. Easy ones first! guaranteed results which motivate you to do more.

Also…..all these cleanses are really easy. They sound difficult. They sound complicated. There are way way too many options….this makes them seem difficult. Which colon cleanse to use???? Which kidney cleanse????? which parasite cleanse??? It not difficult once you get your head around them.

Body Cleansing for Adults:
1. Bowel cleanse and Parasite cleanse !
2. Dental cleanup - dental work may be one cofactor of your disease: amalgam, Root canal, Nickel crowns, Cavitations (pocket inside jaw bone left after extraction of the wisdom and molar teeth )
3. Kidney cleanse
4. Start cleansing your liver: Liver cleanse and Gallbladder cleanse -liver flush!
This is the order that I would recommend you do, but as I said I initially did them in exactly the opposite order and it didn’t kill me. (note: I would however recommend the liver flush as last thing to try. In fact it is recommended that mercury toxic people do not liver flush.)

This is a great place to start learning about them all. This is my base camp and always come back to this site and learn. It explains it all………. http://curezone.com/diseases/health.asp


ummm…I agree with that except for the word “first”

many many places you read you will discover the bowels are recommended first. If you bowels are blocked up……nothing can get out (or get out quick enough.)

I used and recommened:

Parasite cleanse and bowel cleanse…….www.humaworm.com
Kidney cleanse……Andreas Mortitz formula from here http://presentmoment.com/product_in...;osCsid=f5e51d41da0268434a3d461b15283835

You could just buy them and follow the instructions, but best to read up and research them first, so u understand what you are doing and how. Curezone is brilliant for that.

They are simply a few herbs you take every day for 1 month

Diet: that Western Price stuff is excellent. If you onlt research that site, you can’t go wrong. It makes good good sense.

Yes Bex, I forgot to mention that dizziness is one typical symptom of acetaldehyde (the toxic byproduct of candida). You also get general weakness, tiredness, aching muscles, joints, and a feeling of "fog" surrounding your legs and arms and of course brainfog. Some candida "experts" recommend to stay on moly + B5 at least for four months to clear this up. If you kill candida they will give off a big load of acetaldehyde, and if you don't bother them, they will be rather silent about themselves (letting off less acetaldehyde). But if you remove your fillings, this will provoke your immune system to kill them (you can't hold it back then anymore), and then you should support the acetaldehyde detox properly. For some, this will be the quickest way out of the suffering.

Unfortunately for me, I'm in a constant state of fighting yeast from low immunity and internal infections. This never ends and I never get on top of the yeast either. But cheating leads to even more suffering, so I have no choice but to stay on this strict diet.

I don't know if I am going through die off or not. I cheated a little bit over a week ago with some fruit and relapsed. Now I'm experiencing wanting to sleep all the time (drugged), cramping and diarrhea and sometimes bouts of nausea.

I remember when I was stronger/healthier, die off was obvious and bad as it was, it felt good because there was no doubt about what was happening. My body asserted itself really well back then and healing occured. Die off isn't pleasant for sure, but when it's definite, it gives a sense of achieving something.

Hello,

I need more info, I'm going to start a parasite cleanse tomorrow. The friend I talked about before in this thread told me to go to a nathuropat that makes cleanses following dr clark methods and I'm going to make these cleanings: parasites, kidneys and liver before trying to remove my amalgams. Do you think this is the correct way to proceed? Do you preffer humaworm cleaning?

I'm a little bit scared because I don't know if this cleaning is going to kill also some of my candida. I don't want to suffer a fed back from the death of the candida or any other organism. Shuold I take more suplemments during these cleanings to prevent such a thing or any other side effect?

About suplements
Now I'm taking:
milk thistle
vit e
vit c
vit b
algin
selenium
fish oil

and i'm planning to add:
taurin
magnesium
zinc
molybdene

but I had some problems finding/using some of this suplemments: no problem with taurin; with magnesium I don't know what kind of magnesium buy. I bought a magnesium complex with m. cloride and m. estearate but I felt very bad after taking it. I looked for m. taurinate or m. citrate but I wasn't able to find them around here. Is epson salt (m. sulfate) a good choice as magnesium supplement? if so how much should I take? I also had problems finding molybdene and zinc, I didn't find molybdene and the zinc I found was in zinc gluconate form, can I take this?

thanks in advance
Sergio

Hello Turmoiler

Oh yes…..that is an excellent plan of action. I approve big time. You have been reading and research a lot haven’t you? Top stuff.

Don’t forget to do a bowel cleanse, that is very important. You do that at the same time as the parasite cleanse. If you choose to do a Humaworm Parasite cleanse that also includes bowel cleanse herbs too….two for the price of one. Makes life simple.
Bowel cleansing with herbs is easy. Take the herbs 2-3 timers per day and drink water, the herbs expand to 50 times the normal size and clean you out just like a pipe cleaner. The herbs are not digested.

I only have experience with the Humaworm parasite cleanse. I have done two and I have had massive success with it, which is why I recommend it. I have not done any others….because I don’t need to…Humaworm is fantastic IMHO. There are many different cleanses but may as well do one that has had such good success, the curezone thread is full of praise for it, so its not just me bigging it up.

Kidney cleanse is also easy…just drinking the tea but do this after the parasite cleanse.

Liver flushing should be the last cleanse you do. (I would recommend you investigating castor oil packs at some point to as these seem to be very good liver cleansers. There is a thread on herb allure as I have been investigating this recently. You can castor oil pack at any time as they are gentle as long as you don’t overdo it.)
Cutler suggests mercury toxic people should not liver flush at all. I have done plenty and I confirm they are great, but they are heavy duty.

Order should be
1) parasite plus bowel cleanse
2) kidney cleanse
3) liver flush

re scared…that’s understandable, it is very daunting all this stuff. That is why you need to do a bowel cleanse at the same time as the parasite cleanse. because you need to ensure the dead stuff you have killed is removed from your body ASAP. You do not want any reabsorbsion.
I will say the more I read, the more I learned, the easier it became to do and try all these things. Curezone is very good for that, real people with real problems reporting back whats going on with each cleanse.

Supplements look good to me.

I used to take magnesium citrate, but after much reading I now take common or garden Epsom salts instead. The cheap stuff…£1.69 for 500mg. just because its cheap doesn’t mean its not great. I take 1 pinch at each meal with water. I have just started taking 2 pinches at breakfast and dinner because I always forget the lunchtime dose.

Note: if you take 1 teaspoon full of Epsom salt with water this will give your digestive system a complete flush. You will need to be close to the toilet for the next couple of hours if you do!

So 1 or 2 pinches of Epsom salt at each meal should be ok.

Molybdenum I get from solgar
Zinc I get from here https://www.cytoplan.co.uk/cgi-bin/...amp;amp;PN=minerals%2ehtml%23a5585#a5585

I get the biofood Zinc(5585)

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Thanks for your response Sunshine:

I think I'm going to begin the humaworm cleaning right know because I've just recieved the capsules. I think that this will be better than doing only parasite cleaning alone. The correct dosage is 2 capsules 30 minutes before each meal three times a day, am I right? Should I take also ornitine? How many days should I take humaworm?


Sergio

Good stuff, get in there! Kill those funkers!


No that’s wrong.


This is for the Humaworm parasite cleanse which you should have purchased.

(If you got “Humacleanse”…that’s a bowel cleanse and that’s a different routine.)

Duration: to get the best out of humaworm you should do all the capsules. It is a 1 month cleanse, so take the pills everyday for 1 month….which is when the capsules will run out. If you want to kill the maximum amount of bugs you need to do the whole month.
Did you notice that….”Most parasites are destroyed within the first week of treatment” ? What that means is you should start seeing some action in the first week. For me I had a mass of minor symptoms erupting after day 8. Make sure you surf over on the curezone Humaworm thread, cruse around and familiarise yourself with the type of reactions people get, so that you are not freaked out when strange stuff starts happening. I got the all over body itches for about a week…..it was exciting knowing that I was killing lots of unwelcome guests.....but was fairly uncomfortable at the time. Everyone is different and has different reactions, some have none, people like me had loads and loads, with me was very much a war zone. My mother did a cleanse and had no reactions or sideffects whatsoever, except she got drastically better!

One last thing, although Humaworm contains bowel cleansing herbs, you must help them along. It is vital that you drink plenty of water. Depends on how big you are but min 2 liters per day, on top of whatever else you usually drink. When you kill bugs and clean yourself out like this, those toxins need to be ejected ASAP. You don’t want them hanging around getting reabsorbed. So lots of BM’s 3-4 per day is ideal. If you get blocked up…the sooner you unblock the better.

When you start getting symptoms…just remember that’s a good sign, you are killing bugs and you will feel better once it passes.

I don’t know anything about “ornitine”

Good luck, let me know how it goes

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I just been crusing around curezone….heres one for you

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1116744#i

quote………….

I am so impressed with these herbs-- I tried Paragone a few years ago and didn't have nearly the results. A little background on me-- I worked in a parasitology lab 20 years ago-- worked on malaria, did my senior thesis on rat tapeworms, worked around labs studying nematodes, ascaris, you name it....

My first few days on Humaworm I experienced itching, running, gritty, painful eyes (like I had allergies combined with pink-eye)- I didn't think to correlate to the Humaworm, but now believe I was eliminating eye parasites (?). I am now expelling what I believe to be 3 inch segments of tapeworms (they are white/clear, segmented), lots of floating white/translucent "stuff", tomato peel looking objects and lots of gritty/ dark sludge. In addition, the psoriasis I've had on my scalp, ears, abdomen, and back is nearly gone! I've been dealing with this psoriasis, which was getting progressively worse, for the last 4 year, and in 7 days of Humaworm it's nearly gone. I will definitely repeat in 90 days, perhaps with the extra-strength herbs targeted at my specific parasites. Thank you Humaworm-- I have an energy level and mental focus re-appear that I haven't had in years!

I started my husband on Humaworm today-- he's had a chronic AM cough, ropey mucus drip, and sinus problems for years that he's been unable to get rid of-- we'll see where he's at after a week of Humaworm.

I'll report back after I've run my full 30 days of the herbs-- I am amazed!

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hello,

I began with homaworm on friday , I feel strange, some little itches here and there, and a eruption appeared in one ear. But I'm comcerned about the die-off effect from the candida, I began the strict diet last week and all my symtoms are worse, and I'm feeling a little bit worse since yesterday. Did you noticed some worsening when you began your diet and'or your detoxication?
I'm going to to keep it while I am able to stand it.

About my supplements:
I've read somewhere that zinc is not safe, do you know anithing about this?
And do you think that only some pinces of epsom salts will cover the amount of magnesium that my body needs?

btw: I have been reading here and there and have some more silly questions:
do you know What is efa, ester c, and gaba?

thanks again for your help
Sergio

Hi Sergio,

Good on you for starting the diet and doing these cleanse. Absolutely YES, I got worse when I did the diet alone, even without adding anything.

You've probably gone in a bit quick with doing both at once, but that's ok, so long as you can handle the die off.

Die off is not easy to tolerate, it can make you feel very unwell and also you can feel like you're just not getting better. It takes weeks or more sometimes for things to begin to improve. Because not only does the yeast die off as well as other organisms, but also it takes time for the body to try and eliminate them and other build up of toxins and try and rebuild from there. INterrupting this process can lead to a relapse and the need to start again.

Try and stick with it and not give into ANY cheats. Yes it's hard, yes it's taxing and it will test your will power, but believe me, it is worth it. Cheating is worth nothing, you get a bit of pleasure for a short period of time, then it's over and then you have to deal with the aftermarth.

The humaworm is supposed to be great great stuff. The diet is too. I think you're doing yourself the world of good, but as you've done both at once, then you will probably feel very worse for wear for a while.

Zinc is good for mercury. I take it everyday. I do not know about harm full it... Epsom salts are also good for magnesium. I just couldn't stand the taste of them. I take magnesium supplements instead.

I think EFA are "essential fatty acids" (e.g. contained in omega 3 fish/fish oils, other good oils etc). Ester C is just another type of vitamin C out there. I never found it all that effective. I take a lab made vitamin C powder. But I've replaced that now with a multi vitamin and mineral powder complex, that contains good high levels of vitamin C anyway.

I also take vitamin E, selenium and milk thistle. That's about it. Aside from the diet.

Keep us in touch on how you go with the diet and humaworm. Itching is quite normal, worsening is normal. These things are die off from pathogens. Your immune system does so much better when you lower pathogens.

Die off can last from 2 - 6 weeks or more. Please be patient and hang in there.

You'll feel lousy the first couple weeks of a parasite cleanse and then you should start feeling marvelous.

Stick with it. Do the hulda clark liver flush one week after the humaworm cleanse is complete to clear your liver of dead parasites and stones. You will probably feel 'clogged up' after the parasite cleanse and the liver flush will take care of that real well.

Colon cleansing will help complete your routine.

And can I make the the kidneys cleanse at the same time that I make my parasite cleaning?

Ahh, all my body is itching now, can I make something about this?

Get some providone iodine (the red stuff) from the pharmacy and use it on a washcloth and scrub yourself gently with it in the shower for a few days. let it sit on your skin a few minutes. it'll kill the parasites that are coming to the surface of your skin and the itching will stop.

I don't know about the kidney cleanse but an herbal colon cleanse is real good to do simultaneously with the parasite cleanse. It seems a lot of parasites move from your upper intestine to hide in your lower intestine while doing a parasite cleanse so good to take care of both at the same time.

I've also found that using bentonite clay in a high enema is extremely effective for evicting parasites from the colon.

Whatever you can do for a few weeks in a row to break the breeding cycle in that respect.

Be sure to do the liver flush when you are finsished with the parasite cleanse, very important.

here is the link to the hulda clark liver cleanse:

http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp

Congratulations….you are winning. The herbs are doing the job. This is called “Die Off” – hang on! It will pass.

Die-off is a lot easier to handle when you know that you will feel better when it passes…..and i assure you, 100pct you will feel better when it passes. For me, I had die-off for most of the cleanse, mostly minor stuff…but at the start it was a little intense….LOL….i had full body itches for 5 days…..it was manageable….i was on to Humaworm and they just said…its normal….top stuff….stuff is dying….it will pass….and it did pass…I was fine…..and I got much better.

You should stick to the diet too….thats a long term thing in any case, so get used to it. The more you get into it….the more you will feel the effects when you don’t cheat and when you do cheat.

Zinc should be ok. I take 50mg per day and I used to take 100mg per day.
Epsom salts – 2 pinches at breakfast and dinner seems to work fine for me.

Kidney cleanse. no save that for 1-2 weeks after the Humaworm.

The other excellent way to do a kidney cleanse is to drink 2 litre of water every day. You should be doing that when on Humaworm……so yr kidneys are getting cleaned right now in any case.

When you get die off…..make sure you have adequate intake of water. Stuff is dying…it needs flushing out.

All that water flushing toxins out, parasite cleanse killing bugs, bowel cleanse cleaning your digestive tract, a new diet……lots of change happening in you!……congratulations….but yeah…….with so much going on…you get some die off.

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Hi sosick,
So I won't start my kidneys cleanse until i finish my parasite cleanse. i will do a humacleanse too it, I think is a good choice.
I went to buy some povidone, and I found something strange in the label, there it said "don't use with mercurial derivates" what does this mean? isn't it strange? will surgeon soap work?
Ahh, do you have
I found also in the drugstore a strong sulfur soap, Could this be useful?
Do you have any adress or information about enemas, and the like?
I was told to begin the liver cleanse after the kidney cleanse, what do you think about this?
And do you think i need to take something to recover my intestinal flora?,probiotics, yogur, kefir, fermented cabagge?

Hi sunshine I'm drinking 3 liters of water per day, 1'5 liters with two spoon of marine salt, do you think this is ok? My kidneys are working hard, but they stand for now.

Sergio

2 tsp’s of marine salt per day……brilliant <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> Make sure it is pure sea salt, with no added extra’s. make sure you read the ingredients and it says….Ingredients: sea salt.

1 week after Humaworm has finished it is recommended to start taking probiotics. 1 week after.

Well done on the water intake, its important.

how ya feeling today?

... "don't use with mercurial derivates" ... I guess that would mean do not use it with any mercury containing items... some OTC items like certain brand name soaps, even 3% solution h2o2 do contain mercury. I guess that is what it means anyway. You could ask the pharamacist.

Surgeon's soap is the best. where did you find it? I would use that instead but haven't been able to find any here. I used to use that on my daughter's behind as a baby in Florida, my mom would bring it home from the hospital, she was a nurse. it is the best. My daughter would get a diaper rash and I would use that and voila, diaper rash gone overnight. She had the best looking baby butt ever.. yes definitely use that if you can get some, buy a big bottle it is real handy to have around. Kills parasites and their eggs on contact, well, after a few minutes of sitting on your skin.

here is great enema info and the page below is where they sell their supplies. i ordered from here, affordable and they ship quickly. Get the bentonite clay to go with that, you will be amazed at what you see that help elimnate the first week you do it.

http://tuberose.com/Colon_Health.html

http://healthequip-store.stores.yahoo.net/detoxification.html

I filter and boil water for 10-20 minutes and let it cool. Put the pot in the sink and surround it with cold water to cool quickly.

The high enema is a real chore but it's amazing and will give you an instantaneous clean out and relieve you of a lot of toxins quickly. twice or three times a week while colon cleansing is good. Keep your equipment real clean, soap up and boil the tip 10 minutes. Do not, do not, share your equipment with anyone, ever. Use the little tip the bigger one is to use the thing as a ladies' douche bag. Coconut oil helps things go smoother.. I mix about a tablespoon of the clay with half a cup of the boiled water (when cool) and pour the into the bag for just one round. If you have any parasites hanging on down there they will let go and slide right out upon contact with the clay. I weird stuff sliding out all week in little bits after my first trial with that. I rinse wit the clay, hdo the toilet to let it out, and then do a good water rinse, a couple bags worth about 30 minutes later. that seems best for me, gives the clay residue a bit of time to seep in.

I haven't seen any of the black gunk here so far but I sure get plenty of other little yucky stuff almost every time.

hi Sunshine I started humaworm on friday, on saturday I felt a little bit tired, on sunday I had a terrible headache, on monday I was better and tuesday was great, it was the best day since my last drawback because of the nac. It didn't last today I felt very tired and sleepy.
I don't know if this happans to you but the way I wake up always determines the day I'm going to have. If I wake up tired, I'm tired all the day, if I wake up with a headache, I spend all the day with a headache. Have you heard about sleeping apnea? I don't know if this is also happening to me.

Thanks for the info Sosick I'm going to try this soon, I have many things to read, to figure, to understand, buf, i'm going step by step and my brain works so slow...

btw: I've bought milk thistle in herb form, do you know wich is the best way to take it? in tea? just eat it?...
I also don't want to cook with metals anymorre, do you know wich is the best choice, glass pyrex,... for an alternative to metal pans and the like?

Hi Sergio,
Let us know how the humaworm cleanse go. I just got my supply today so will start tomorrow. I'm strangely excited about it - hoping to see some results. All the best and good luck with it!

Hi Turmoiler. Yes, I get good days and bad. How I start the day in important too. I suffer real bad if I have a late night. I always get up at the same time, no matter what time I crash out. The less sleep I have the worse I feel. Getting to sleep as early as possible always helps. Sometimes it’s not possible, but a nice hot (detox) bath always help me crash early.

I used to get sleep apnea…it was really annoying… horrid way to wake up. Since I been detoxing it’s gone away thankfully. It used to be a big old problem. Not too sure how I got rid of it, but I think The Watercure helped me. That just means drinking 2 litres of water everyday, but not too close to bed time!

Milk thistle…eat it. don’t know about tea, but I guess you can if you want, try it? Milk thistle is also in the Humaworm. You can take extra…no problem with that.

All your symptoms you are currently getting from Humaworm…..well done….the more symptoms you get, the more important it is for you to actually do these cleanses and clean yourself out. It will pass.

He he he, good luck Cmlyon with yr Humaworm cleanse. You should be excited…the prospect of change and getting better is exciting. Keep us posted on what strange things happen. I will do a humacleanse any day now, then next Humaworm is in april for me.

Thanks Sunshine, It was your post that inspired me to do this. I'm curious to see what happens!

Is there also some stomach cleanse available? In case you got something like Helicobacter pylori etc.?

Ah, good question. I really think I might have H. Pylori. The MD only wants to run a scope down my throat to check. They didn't offer me a breath test or anything else, and I'm not to keen to the scope idea. Then he would just pump me full of antibiotics anyway. I am sure I read something about doing a cleanse for it, the other day when I was on curezone. It was somewhere in the area of the Hulda Clark liver cleanse, because that's the area I was reading in. I would sure look on Curezone for something, if no one here can help. Please let me know if you find anything interesting on it, because I need to do it, too.

To get rid of H. pylori, you might want to try an herbal supplement like Gastro Health. This is a patented product for treating and preventing gastritis, stomach ulcers and cancer associated with H. pylori.

I know a few people who have used Gastro Health and it actually relieved their stomach pain within a few hours.

ummmmmm………. yes! But before I tell you what…….

When I first started trying to get better I was told and learned lots of new ways to help myself and to heal. Advice and information came from lots of different sources. I tried everything that I “thought” was wrong and could be wrong with me.

I did a lot of things and nothing changed and I did not get better.

So then I started thinking laterally. I had to because nothing was working. The stuff I’d learn said I should be getting better…but I was not….so that must mean my understanding of what was wrong with me was…..wrong!

It was only when I stopped listening to everyone, stopped believing what I had learned, stopped believing what western medicine had drummed into me since I was a kid…..

I then started doing things that I “knew” for a fact that I did NOT have. I “knew” for example that I did not have parasites. 100pct fact. No parasites. I had been stool tested, blood tested and muscle tested over 10 times…..all negative for parasites, which is why I had ignored a parasite cleanse upto then. So I though…what the hell….my life is funked…..may as well try…..i can’t really do anymore damage….i have nothing else to lose. My life was spiralling down the pan at that point.

I researched parasite cleanses. I found out about bowel cleanses to, but wanted to avoid bums and horrid stuff like that…so I chose Humaworm because it combined both. The curezone HW site was full of people raving about how successful HW had been for them, so I tried it and turns out I was riddled with parasites and HW unplugged my digestion and flushed out a load a toxic crap including a load a mucoid plaque….(which incidentally western medicine does not even believe in…..)

With my digestive tract flushed out, with parasites killed and removed, with cleansing herbs filling my body during the 1 month cleanse………I was finally able to start healing, but it was only achieve because I ignored what I thought I knew and started body cleansing.

This is my base camp…… http://curezone.com/diseases/health.asp

Anyway……where was I?………………stomach cleanse!

Humaworm contains the following ingedients: WORMWOOD, CLOVES, THYME, fennel, cayanne, ginger, garlic, gentian, hyssop, milk thistle, marshmallow root, pau d’arco, burdock, elecampane, fenugreek, liquorice, barberry, cascara sagrada, senna, sage, psyllium, yellow dock, cramp bark, peppermint.

There are three categories of herbs in the formulas. The first is the herbs that have the ability to kill parasites, their larvae and their eggs. Different herbs have the capacity of killing different parasite species - some kill the bigger worms, while others will destroy the microscopic ones. These must be used TOGETHER for totally effective parasite removal. You want to get them ALL at one time!
(WORMWOOD, CLOVES, THYME, fennel, cayanne, ginger, garlic, gentian, hyssop)

The second category of herbs is the purifiers. They have the ability to sweep through the body and remove all toxins left over from the parasites. Some clean the blood, while other clean specific organs. These have been chosen not only for their ability to purify but to also for their anti-parasite properties. (for example Pau D’ Arco is a fabulous blood cleaner-upper) (milk thistle, marshmallow root, pau d’arco, burdock, elecampane, fenugreek, liquorice)

The last group of herbs is the DIGESTION and colon helpers. Parasites, larvae and eggs are removed from the body through the colon. During parasite removal, the digestive system is working extra hard to expel parasites and toxins – this group helps to keep the digestive system running smoothly. Again, some of these have been chosen for their ability to not only to keep things flowing smoothly, but also for their dual action qualities (see Senna, liquorice is good for adrenals…etc). (barberry, cascara sagrada, senna, sage, psyllium, yellow dock, cramp bark, peppermint.)

I am sure you will recognise at least half the ingredients and I’m sure you recognise that these herbs don’t JUST do what is listed above. Each herbs has many different qualities, lots of which are involved in cleaning you out.

The following link will tell you specifically what each of the herbs in Humaworm do………. http://www.humaworm.com/formula.html

Thanks SS and Laura. I have no doubt in that doctors fail to find many important pathogens. I'll probably have to do a parasite cleanse too to make sure there is nothing left to bother me.

However, this has not been an option for me for a long time, because I'm still having toxins leaking out the whole time, and I don't want to have another large die-off on the top of it.

Hello, here I am again,

it has passed a week and a day since I started humaworm. Since yesterday I'm feeling very tired with some muscle pain, but the worst part is that i smell nasty, my sweat smells nasty. I don't think it is due to humaworm, it's something else, it must be something that I'm eating or something that I've done.

This week I've started to take taurine and epsom saltzs I've also have taken a pair of hot salt baths, I've also taken some st. john wort teas. I've eaten nothing new but some beets. Did I something wrong. Have you ever had this symthoms when detoxing?

I'm quite tired, what do you do when you feel so tired? I need something to release me from tireness.

Sergio

Hi Sergio, it is normal to experience tiredness, even exhaustion when you are going through die off. Whether it's from the cleanse or the diet or both. It would probably be a bit strange if you didn't.

When the body is trying to heal, it's energies are working on the areas that need attention, so your energy output and muscular strength usually weaken substantially because the energies are working on other matters, and you can interpret this as getting worse.....when you maybe getting better from the inside out.

Sometimes you had to ride this out, there is not always a way around it. But make sure you are having enough fats, which can help for energy like butter and even organic virgin coconut oil (you can eat these just as they are, as well as use the in cooking).

You can also get yourself a good celtic sea salt and make yourself a drink with it, by using about quarter of a lemon (you can add vitamin C powder to that for taste, like a teaspoon) and then add quarter teaspoon of this good salt and mix. You can have it either hot or cold. I usually have that, put in some cold water at the bottom and fill it up with boiling water so it's very warm or nearly hot.

This is very good for you and apparently good for the adrenals also, as well as digestion etc.

Drink herbal teas like ginger tea, licorich tea, etc. Good for adrenals also.

But mainly you need to rest too, it's just part of it all. This is why some people cannot stand to go through it because they do not like the die off symptoms, so often give up. Also it takes time, so that doesn't help. But don't give up!

Sorry I can't be of more help, perhaps someone else can. But to be honest I don't know of many people that go through die off "symptom free" and tiredness if the most common symptom I've heard.

HI Turmoiler

Hang in there….all those herbs are working…that smell…..thats toxins being ejected and excreted from your body….make no mistake….its Humaworm working gloriously, killing stuff, removing stuff…..this is good news……toxins are being expelled from your body….that is what the nasty smell is……..toxins that have been stuck inside you for years….and now finally able to come out of you because of those lovely fresh herbs…….it hurts a little…..but it will pass.

If you are tired……that’s a signal to chill out, calm down, rest relax, watch some movies…whatever you do to chill…..chill.

Epsom salt baths are great, don’t make them too strong.

It will pass in a day or two……all this is normal and a good sign, you gonna feel good when this passes.

Just to make you feel at home, I looked out my first HW round….this is a post I made on day 5…… http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=943920#i

KILL THOSE MOFO’S!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hey Turmoiler…….

Do you remember me saying I was gonna do a bowel cleanse soon? The Humacleanse….i started it 3-4 days ago………

I got some strange stuff happening to me already……….

I got the dreaded itches again. Nothing life threatening but it’s blinking annoying to put it mildly.

Started on my face and has now spread to my arms, legs, head and bum

This must be the Humacleanse doing this to me. My BM’s are full of parasites too.

Seems I will be comparing symptoms with you, LOL.

Now I figured out it must be the bowel cleanse….makes it more bearable.

In view of this I’m having a liquid 24 hours, veg juice only.

hello,

Now I know why I was feeling so bad I got the flu, I've been in bed all the weekend, I'm still suffering from it. What do you do when you get the flu, what do yu take? regular meds?My sinus are terribly sensitive, I can't barely breath with my nose

the humaworm goes on, humacleanse will begin this week, I'll tell you how it goes.
btw: what is a veg juice?

Sergio

You got the Flu?

You got the Flu?

You got the Flu?

Flu eh?

Well, that is interesting. I’m not a doctor but there is a very big chance that you are having a healing crisis.

And a healing crisis is good news. Very good news indeed. Well….. it feels like crap at the moment……but you are excreting toxin’s big time and that is a good good thing. Excellent in fact.

Toxins usually hurt going into your body, and they usually hurt coming out too.

I had a healing crisis when I did my first Humaworm, lasted 4-5 days….and yes felt like the flu…afterwards I was a new man. I promise you….a new man.

If I where you I would do the humacleanse at the same time as Humaworm. I did on my last Humaworm round, both together. It will help keep everything moving along. Ask over on Curezone Humaworm site, more help from over there.

What to do now u got flu?…..keep taking Humaworm and remember to drink lots of fluids and if you get clogged up…..you need to unclog asap. Regular BM’s are essential. This is even more important when having a healing crisis. Rest up and drink plenty of fluids. I would avoid all over-the-counter drugs. They will just screw up more. Rest and fluids is what u want now.

Veg juice = vegetable juice. Fresh vegetables that I put in a juicer which extracts the juice and leaves the fibre behind. Your body gets all the usual vitamins and minerals and doesn’t have to digest all the fibre. Gives your digestion a well earned break, so more energy can be used on other important tasks.
(Bought bottled veg juice is no good…its pasteurised and has the life sucked out of it. avoid.)
When I say “I’m having a liquid 24 hours, veg juice only.” It means I will not eat any solid food for 24 hours. I will only drink veg juice.

From here: http://www.falconblanco.com/health/crisis.htm

What is a Healing crisis?
Also known as the "Herxheimer Reaction", this reaction occurs when the body tries to eliminate toxins at a faster rate than they can be properly disposed of. The more toxic one's bodily systems are, the more severe the detoxification, or healing crisis. It is characterized by a temporary increase in symptoms during the cleansing or detox process which may be mild or severe. You may feel worse and therefore conclude that the treatment is not working. But these reactions are instead signs that the treatment is working and that your body is going through the process of cleaning itself of impurities, toxins and imbalances.
Such reactions are temporary and can occur immediately -- or within several days, or even several weeks, of a detox. Symptoms usually pass within 1-3 days, but on rare occasions can last several weeks. If you are suffering from a major illness, the symptoms you experience during the healing crisis may be identical to the disease itself. Sometimes discomfort during the healing crisis is of greater intensity than when you were developing the chronic disease. This may explain why there may be a brief flare-up in one's condition. Often the crisis will come after you feel your very best. Most people feel somewhat ill during the first few days of a cleanse because it is at that point that your body dumps toxins into the blood stream for elimination. With a more serious condition there may be many small crises to go through before the final one is possible. In any case, a cleansing & purifying process is underway, and stored wastes are in a free-flowing state.

Cause:
The healing crisis is the result of every body-system, in concert, working to eliminate waste products through all elimination channels and set the stage for regeneration. The end result: old tissues are replaced with new. When any treatment or cleansing program causes a large scale die-off of bacteria, a significant amount of endotoxins (toxins within the bacteria itself) are released into the body. The more bacteria present, and the stronger their endotoxins, the stronger the cleansing reaction. When any treatment or detox causes the organs of the body (particularly the liver, which is a storehouse of drug and poison residues) to release their stored poisons and toxins, a cleansing reaction may occur. Any program, such as fasting, which causes a rapid breakdown of fat cells (which are a storehouse for toxins), can cause a healing crisis as toxins previously lodged in the fat cells are released into the blood stream.

Symptoms:
The healing crisis will usually bring about past conditions in whatever order the body is capable of handling at that time. People often forget the diseases or injuries they have had in the past, but are usually reminded during the crisis. There are a wide variety of reactions that may manifest during a healing crisis, the most common are:
Increased joint or muscle pain

Diarrhea
Extreme fatigue and/or its opposite, restlessness
Cramps
Headache (believed to be caused by buildup of toxins in the blood)
Aches, Pains
Arthritic flair up
Insomnia
Nausea
Sinus congestion
Fever (usually low grade) and/or chills
Frequent urination and/or urinary tract discharges
Drop in blood pressure
Skin eruptions, including: boils, hives, and rashes.
Cold or flu-like symptoms
Strong emotions: anger, despair, sadness, fear, etc.
Suppressed memories arise
Anxiety
Mood swings
New phobias develop

Easing Your Way Through the Healing Crisis:

Drink plenty of fresh water (especially water), juices, and herbal teas to flush the body of toxins. Some professionals recommend distilled water as the best. Drink from 2 to 4 quarts(liters) per day. This will help flush the toxins out of your system and speed along the detoxification.
• If you are feeling fatigued, or sleepy, your body is talking to you, and telling you to rest. Be kind to yourself, and get the rest that you need.
• Symptoms frequently disappear immediately after a good bowel movement, use an enema to provide relief.
• For other symptoms, meditation, EFT, acupuncture or a good massage might be helpful to speed up the healing process, and reduce the discomfort.

Good luck
Good luck
Good luck
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Hello,

maybe it was the flu, maybe it was the healing crisis, it was a terrible weekend, but know it has almost passed. I'm feeling better today, but I still have my sinus quite sensitivized, I hope it will pass soon. I'm standing with humaworm, The veg juice seems great, what kind of veg do you use to make it? I will try it.

btw. I have some more doubts:

Some time ago I was made a hair test, the results told that I need adrenal support, what can I take for this? is lugol iodine good for this?

I've been reading cutler book lately and I've found things I don't know what they are, maybe you can help me:
what is a lipoid soluble antiox?
what is dhea?
what is echinacea?
what are prednisolone tapers?

thanks
Sergio

You will know if it was a healing crisis only when you recover from the flu. If you feel better that before…it was a healing crisis. Since it passed fairly quickly…I say it was a healing crisis.

Veg juice: use whatever vegetables you normally eat. I would stir clear of sweet vegetables like carrot and beets…but its up to you. You should also add a squeeze of lemon or lime too.

At the moment I’m on cucumber+celery+ginger+lemon once per day.

Drinking 1 or 2 a day is very good for you. If you are gonna do a veg juice fast…you should read up about it first….google it. I can recommend some books if you wish too.

Adrenals: salt, liquorice to name but a few. For this you really need to dedicate some serious time to understanding it more. Books and websites.
http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/?PHPSESSID=6d3686188b0f984396f793c81ff3455e
http://adrenalfatigue.org/whatis.php
This is a good book to get you started http://www.amazon.ca/Adrenal-Fatigue-21st-Century-Stress-Syndrome/dp/1890572152

Lugol iodine is for thyroid function.

Adrenals need supporting first before you add iodine for support thyroids….otherwise you will crash and feel worse than before.

No real simple way to explain adrenals and thyroids….you need to study it.

what is a lipoid soluble antiox? - donno
what is dhea? - donno
what is Echinacea? - http://www.kcweb.com/herb/echin.htm
what are prednisolone tapers? – donno

Far as i can tell you really do need to do high enemas or hydrotherapy colonics to flush out the critters and the eggs they leave behind while doing herbal parasite or colon cleanses.

adding bentonite clay to the enema water is quite helpful in that regard. they hate it.

Hi sunshine

Just a few questions:

How do you take liquorice?
and, as liquorice has a lot of sugar can this be dangerous to the candida?
can you tell me more adrenal support suplements?

thanks

Look at the attachment file what worked for me (above this text), pantothenic acid may work well enough for adrenal support.

I drink liquorice tea in the mornings. Liquorice increases your cortisol by 50pct. Clipper and Yogi sell them, i'm sure others do too.

Do not eat liquorice candy. Lots of sugar and rubbish in there and most of the liquorice in these liquorice candies has actually been removed anyway….its liquorice free! crazy eh!

Ya really need to read the links, buy the books about adrenal&thyropid stuff, it’s complicated and the only way to learn is to study it.

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You can buy the liquorice roots and chew on them or leave one in a drink,I take it in some camomile tea.
Also good for balancing blood sugar.Yum

hello,
here is my report till today,
im feeling bad, very bad, I'm very tired and my mind is clogged, I don't know if it is the die-off from the parasites or the mercury being released by the candida as it dies. My face is very dry and is full of eczemas, I'm feeling as I'm being poisoned again, it's terrible, what can I do? don't want to stop the cleaning but I can't stand this. Did anybody of you noticed something simmilar when you were deparisitating?

that's it so far.

I got some new doubts:
I've bought some molybdenum, but it is amino acid chelated molibdenum, is this supplement ok? The word "chelated" scares me?

Hi sqm I've downloaded your page about supplements, it's great but I think it needs more info, like how many amount to take and in what part of the day.

Oh Turmoiler…………….you are having a rough ol’ time. Turmoil! All those toxins hurt coming out. What a ‘mare. Try and see the good thing in this……when you come out the other side you will feel excellent.

It was difficult for me when I had my healing crisis, it had loads of weirdness, rashes, pimples but the itchiness was by far the worse for me. I also had flu like symptoms for 4 days too. blocked up, runny nose, tired, drained……flu.

I didn’t know what to do, stop or continue…..i suggest you continue because Humaworm is enabling your body to excrete lots of toxins. Did you ask on curezone Humaworm board? I bet they said “well done, you are killing and removing lots of crap from yourself, HANG ON, don’t stop! Feeling good is just around the corner.”

If the question comes to you about if you should stop HW or not…I was told….all this is normal, toxins hurt coming about, it will pass…..and then you will feel GREAT! So keep taking HW….let it do its job.

The only time to stop taking HW is if the symptoms are too bad and you cannot cope/live with them. Only you can make that decision…if it is TOO rough…then obviously stop…..but you should try and tough it out.

How else are your toxins gonna get out of ya if you stop now?

These are Cutler’s minimum standard suggested supplements. If possible they should be split up and taken 3 a day at each meal.

Buffered vitamin C 1/2 to 2 grams 4 times a day

B complex equivalent to "b25" or "b50" 4 times a day

Zinc 50-100 mg

Magnesium 500-1000 mg in divided doses

Milk thistle extract 4 times a day preferably w/meals

Vitamin E 1000-3000 IU daily

Mixed carotenes, lycopene, etc.

flax 1 tbsp - 15-50g

borage oil 1-4grams

Selenium 200 mcg as selenomethionine.

Chromium picolinate 200 mcg with every meal.

Molybdenum about 1000 mcg a day.

CoQ10 100-400mg

Hydergine 10-20mg/day

Hang in there ……it will pass soon enough!
Drink LOTS and LOTS of fluids………………don’t forget!!
Drink LOTS and LOTS of fluids………………don’t forget!!
Drink LOTS and LOTS of fluids………………don’t forget!!
Drink LOTS and LOTS of fluids………………don’t forget!!
Drink LOTS and LOTS of fluids………………don’t forget!!
Drink LOTS and LOTS of fluids………………don’t forget!!
Drink LOTS and LOTS of fluids………………don’t forget!!
Drink LOTS and LOTS of fluids………………don’t forget!!
Drink LOTS and LOTS of fluids………………don’t forget!!
Drink LOTS and LOTS of fluids………………don’t forget!!
Drink LOTS and LOTS of fluids………………don’t forget!!

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Hello

Thanks sunshine,
I'm going to hang on, at least while I can stand it.
Drinking a lot, resting a lot....

Got some new questions, can you help me?
What is buffered c vitamin?
what can I take to obtain mixed carotenes, lycopene, ...?
I'm taking two pinches of epsom salts as magnesium supplements, will this cover all my needings of magnesium?is magnesium oxide ok as magnesium suplemment?
what is Hydergine? where can I buy them?
Is chelated molybdemun safe?

thanks again
Sergio

i find looking after my liver has helped so much. i do 2coffee enemas daily, eat the liver diet,(same as candida diet) take 3ml milk thistle 2 x a day. i dont get pain in my liver anymore,i can even have a couple of alcoholic drinks without a hangover now. the liver is where we detox from, im not better yet but it has helped.

Only answer I can answer is about Epsom salts. I think so, that’s what I do. I take two pinches at each meal that I remember to, so upto 3 times a day, (usually two because I forget the lunch time.)

This is where I got my Epsom salt info from. This guy is …… strange…. unique…. But he has helped me quite a lot. He is not everyone’s cup of tea….but some of his words are very wise indeed. The link I provide is just a search under his forum with “Epsom magnesium” have a look, read through some of his posts. He does answer your question numerous times…..you do need to wade through it though…..bon voyage!

http://curezone.com/forums/search.asp?q=epsom+magnesium&action=CureZone+Search&f=740

Hang on ….. it will pass soon enough!

"What is buffered c vitamin?
what can I take to obtain mixed carotenes, lycopene, ...?
I'm taking two pinches of epsom salts as magnesium supplements, will this cover all my needings of magnesium?is magnesium oxide ok as magnesium suplemment?
what is Hydergine? where can I buy them?
Is chelated molybdemun safe?"

Buffered vitamin c is non acidic. A good form to take is ester c, which is vitamin v with calcium. For carotene, you could eat carrots, other vegetables high in carotene, or take supplements. Lycopene is what makes fruits and vegetables have a red color, If you want lycopene then eat tomatoes, watermellon, red peppers, red grapefruit, etc., or take supplements. Magnesium oxide is very poorly absorbed, Taking magnesium citrate or magnesium ascorbate(magnesium with vitamic c) would be a much better choice. Some epsom salts might also have some impurities in it. While many epsom salts say USP on it and are theoretically pure enough to ingest, most are made with the intention of people soaking in it and not ingesting it. Molybdenum is safe in reasonable quantities. I take one mg(1000 mcg) a day. Taking over 3 mg a day is imo not a good idea.

I'm feeling better today, I have experienced some very bad days, but now it seems that it has passed.

I'm going to begin the kidneys cleanse soon. i've read the instructions and I think that I understand everything, except that I have to boil the herbs with a non metallic pan. But does such a pan exist? Pyrex? ceramic? Am I wrong? may I use a metallic pan?

thanks
Sergio