News you won't see in controlled mainstream media.

Apologetics is a concept we're all at least intuitively aware of, but some of those who've made a systematic study of the issue have discovered some key points that virtually cripple doubts about the gospel. I am condensing things quite a bit. There are some profound insights (mostly not my own) in what follows, so please read carefully.

Doubt for the Christian could appear to be largely a function of environment. Isn't it easy to trust God living in a time and place where persecution is light?

But think of the early churches, and the apostles. They lived in a time and place where they were subject to crucifixion and stoning at a moment's notice. Most importantly, they were fully aware of God's promises to provide for them and protect them.

Now knowing full well that God has promised protection, I would have difficulties when loved ones or myself were drug out to be killed. I expect doubt would be nearly overwhelming. These people knew God was able to protect them. They could talk to eyewitnesses even if they hadn't seen miracles first hand themselves.

What torturous doubt would enter my mind, knowing that the Almighty was withholding His protection! But they overcame any such doubts, and refused to abandon their testimony even under torture and penalty of death. What could God's plan have been? If He loved them, how could He allow such things to happen?

God was thinking of us. He gave His Son for us, and he also allowed His followers to suffer (at apparent risk to His reputation) for the sake of those who would live in later times. It is precisely because these people suffered so much and were martyred that we can be absolutely sure they told the truth to the best of their ability.

Nobody knowingly dies for a lie. (I must emphasize 'knowingly', as there have been martyrs for false causes.) Thus WE can be certain that the New Testament was written honestly. Unless those men were somehow deceived, their word is good. This cannot rationally be disputed, and if you think it can I suggest you give the matter a few minutes' consideration.

Now determining whether or not the writers of the New Testament were deceived is best done by reading it, and carefully studying to see if they could have been mistaken. I don't care to copy all the evidence here. I will just point out that they were in very close proximity to the events of which they testify, and the single most important event is the death and resurrection of our Lord.

The reason it's so important is that we have a Living Saviour. Without His death, we'd be in bad shape: the price of our sin would still be due. Without His resurrection, we'd just be worshipping a dead man, with no hope after this life, and no basis for hope during this life.

One often encounters the claim "all religions are the same". Or "how do you know you're right and everyone else is wrong?" I say nothing else matters. I'll follow the Living God. I'll follow the God who loves me enough to see to it that I can justify confidence in the Holy Books that tell me about Him. I don't know of any rivals that even come close.

Great testament! I think that the bible is authentic also and I believe this because Christ said He would be with us till the end of time. His works on earth will be repeated by those that follow after Him, healing in His name, casting out evil spirits and even in some cases the raising of the dead. And they continue to this day and will until the ressurection. The supernatural most definitely does exist, miracles still exist.

You will not seem them readily broadcasted around, and certainly for the most part, hidden from our secular media/television. I've been witness to one myself (amongst thousands of people). So yes they do happen. Particularly in places where there is often the spirit of poverty and much faith.

I find the bible is very accurate and for me it explains everything and does so accurately. I have no issues with it at all. I accept it as it is, because it does not contradict anything in what I observe around me and the prophecies in there appear to be unfolding at an alarming rate, just as foretold.

In the last days will come scoffers <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Hmm, seeing more than my fair share of that.

Although this seems logical, isn't it contradicted by the examples of the past and present?

Evangelical churches in China are still persecuted now and were horribly treated (unto death!) in the recent past yet remained steadfast.

In Vietnam, followers of a particular pastor (who used to be a sorcerer), were thrown into prison with murders and thieves, yet they persevered, converting a number of prisoners.

Perhaps it is the easy life that makes it easy to ignore God, but when you have little, you thank Him for that little bit He provided.

I have a feeling that you underestimate your own resolve.

The destruction of Jerusalem (70 AD) actually resulted in Christians being spread throughout the Roman Empire. This spread caused the Romans to persecute the growing religion and caused them to spread beyond the boundaries of Rome. I'd say God knew what he was doing when He allowed that to happen. It is in adversity that we grow stronger.

It is possible that those men were deceived. If so, for them the Gospel was the truth and they could not deny it and remain true to themselves. The key word is knowingly. If they did not know it was not true, then they may have died for a lie. Difficult to tell because tradition and truth are so intertwined. Did Peter die on a cross, upside down? Did Thomas really go to India? John was on Patmos (sp?) but was his Revelation a real vision from God or was it Peter's Apocalypse?

Who wrote the New Testament? Don't you wish we had clay tablets of original writings? Some say Mark was written as early as 75 AD and as late as 120 AD. Who is right? What is the Q document and when was it written...and by who? Many questions with varied answers. The atheists like to point out the contradictions but gloss over the obvious continuity in many of Jesus' teachings. I'd like to think that it is not the nits that ruin but the weave that makes the tapestry.

Honestly, for me this is where it gets confusing. Paul says that acceptance of the Son is all we need (Romans) yet Jesus stated that works of a type are necessary (Parable of Sheep and Goats). Which is it? Why did Jesus say the law will stand for all time yet Paul says that we are no longer under the law?


While I admire your confidence and steadfastness, I have to ask: Have you ever been involved in another religion? I agree that they are not "all the same". However, Buddhist teachings are intriguing and research shows they are by far the most contented followers of any religion.

No, it's not possible they were deceived. Your standpoint is of one that reads the bible, reads history perhaps, but has no real knowledge of our living God in your own life. Many bible scholars do not believe in God, the bible or Jesus. You can only glean so much by reading or studying. Many of your assumptions will also be simply that... assumptions, no matter how literally you interpret. However, most truly saved christians, and there are many, will tell you that they never fully understood a lot of the bible until they were saved, until the Lord himself revealed himself to them, as our living God. Most will also tell you they could have never imagined the awesome wonderful truth about salvation, about Jesus, until the day they were filled with the Holy Spirit. Consider Acts in the NT for some evidence of how God was working in the lives of the apostles, just as a start.

By most accounts, Peter was crucified upside down, at his own request. It was a symbolic gesture, perhaps about the world, perhaps about what had become of the church at Rome in that short time, perhaps because he felt he had some business in hell to tend to.

By other accounts, it is said that many attempts were made to kill John but none succeeded. One account relates that he was even boiled in oil and survived unscathed. No one knows where he died or even if he died.

The Q doc is gnosticism, it was obviously written by gnostics... a mixture of sensual pagan beliefs - egyptian/babylonian witchcraft with christian teachings, one of he very things Jesus condemned the sadducees for doing with the teachings of the OT. There is quite a bit of this around today too, masonry is another example of pretty much the same thing.



What is the parable of sheep and goats you refer to? Matthew 25? It's about faith, just like Paul also says. The good faith of a faithful person works to multiply faith, whereas a bit of faith given, not trusted and hidden away is worthless. The law does stand for all time, but no one can expect to achieve salvation through it. God gave the law to Moses in a time before a savior was given. the bible tells us repatedly of what the Hebrews experienced when they kept the law, when they did not. The law was our teacher, as Paul stated, so that we would know which way God wanted us to go, how to behave etc, what he expects of us. Faith in Jesus Christ will redeem a soul as the law could not. Faith in Jesus will multiply our own faith because of the way he reveals himself to us and leads us, which is why, all you really do need is Jesus. Knowing the written word God and the law has never hurt anyone either. It's a lot easier to read it and know it than it is to work out your salvation by repetitious trial and error. However, the Lord judges our hearts (because the law truly is impossible to keep perfectly), and saves us not by perfection in the law, but by our faith in him, our love of him, and our willingness to obey him even though we might fail. Jesus came, lived this life as a man, experienced life as a man, walked this earth and died for our sins, paid the price for us... and one by one, through faith he redeems us. Prior to that, the belief of most Jews was that no matter how good a life a person led, scheol was the final destination. Jesus is the son of God, hell had it's chance and could not keep him. Thus by him, we are also saved.

You'll find similar in monastries and convents, depending on the spirit there. I've experienced it. Something quite beyond the norm. So much so, I didn't want to leave. Hard to explain, but it was like a small piece of heaven.

Where there is a spirit of meditative prayer, there is usually a sense of peace and contentment. Buddists practise to achieve that state, as well as their beliefs that all things in nature are precious and they are extremely gentle people. However, deep states of ongoing meditation and peace are not evidence of truth. Ask the yogis, they're at it all the time. Get people into modern day society with having to stand up for their faith and battle (which is what Christians are called to do), then it is very hard. It is a battle between good and evil, not "feel good" stuff. Most of us are not spending our day in states of meditation or contemplation. Christ came not to bring peace but a sword. in other words, true peace cannot be achieved by compromising just to keep everybody happy. Christ trod on a lot of corns because He did not tickle their ears or buff their egos. Christ Himself lived a hard life. The son of man had nowhere to lay His head. In the climax of His suffering He said "I am a worm". He felt like the lowest of the low. Covered in spittle, beard torn out, enduring insults, scoffing, laughing, He would have resembled a walking wound. They despised Him. None of this sanitised crucifix makeovers we see, He would have been tortured beyond belief. Yet all this was done out of love for us. If anybody felt like a piece of dirt it was Christ. Just imagine not only feeling abandoned by God the Father, but just about every face you see in the crowd as you walk half naked, jeering and spitting at you. I can imagine Christ (being human as well as divine) looking for anybody, a face receiving Him in love/kindness. I think if I'm not mistaken 2-3 people remained at the foot of His cross.

What God out there can claim to have suffered and died such an atrocious death for His people? and then rise again? What God went around healing the sick and raising the dead and giving hope to the poor and wretched? What God can relate to our pains intimately as Christ can? Once I found Christ, there was no other God. He is God.

We know that Satan's persecution strategies have historically backfired. For those who are aware of God's promises, it can be quite a test when they appear to be failing.


I have to confess my faith nearly failed me after a series of disasters befell my family. The persecution in my part of the world is targeted not against "Christians", but against any and all honest people. But we're never tested beyond our strength.

There are many promises, particularly in the Psalms, of protection from God. I actually reached the point where in my heart I very much doubted God was serious about protecting us. My head told me things must work out, but I was very sad and felt separated. I felt abandoned. I knew there was simply no other alternative, so I decided to tough it out. That's about the limit to which I think I can withstand testing.


I'm not aware of anything that indicates the Christians waited around for the destruction of Jerusalem. They seem to have taken care of business from the get-go. New discoveries are still coming in about the extent of their travels, and it's unlikely research will turn up anything approaching the full scope of the gospel's spread. But I think we both agree it was rapid and it was opposed.


On this point we disagree. It isn't possible that they were deceived.

The key to it all is the resurrection. The gospels, written by men who believed them to be true, indicate that there were many who witnessed Jesus after He died for us on the cross. Scoffers have worked for decades (at least) trying to invent some way that Jesus could have faked the whole thing, and none of their scenarios stand up to even simple scrutiny.

The Jews who opposed Jesus' followers would have gladly and easily exposed any fraud. Their employment of violence rather than facts is also telling.

The Word wasn't intended solely for us in this time. It was intended for everyone, and God hasn't missed any details. Note that even to propose that Jesus merely returned as a ghost fails! Who can think for a minute that any man could cover all the bases?
Luke 21: 41-43
"[41] And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
[42] And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
[43] And he took it, and did eat before them."

There exists no evidence whatsoever that the gospels were written by anyone other than the authors claimed. Enemies of scripture consistently treat the date of the earliest known copy of a document as if it were the earliest possible time it could have been written. Common sense tells one that a copy can only come into existence after the original. All anyone can say is that copy x is the absolute latest possible date it could have been written, and the only limit on how early it could be written is determined by the events it contains. Such backwards reasoning indicates bias, and is somewhat insulting.

They also assume the disciples made no notes and wrote no letters about Jesus' teachings during His earthly incarnation. I don't have evidence that they did, but one cannot just assume they didn't. If such things did exist, they'd facilitate the writing of the gospel books.


I'm amazed at how many people are confused over this. Salvation is received by faith. Those who receive it will then commence with works. It is only by God's grace that one gains the capacity to do anything positive. Even then, it's actually God working through a believer, according to scripture. In loving generosity, God has found a way to justify rewarding believers for allowing Him to do this, but I can't claim to fully understand this mystery.


I've been to Korea, and I'll say this straight-up: If the goal of religion is to get people to behave properly, Buddhism is the best. I've had a couple of arguments with Christians in the past over this point. Buddhism, however, isn't what the only Living God tells us to do. Jesus is alive, and we know this is certain.

Buddhism has another big advantage: Satan has no need to infiltrate and sabotage it. There are countless fake Christians, but you're not likely to find many fake Buddhists.

I'm a little unclear on what you think happened. If you think God gave us His Son, do you think He neglected to preserve a faithful account? My interpretation of the evidence is that we can be confident in the accuracy of the blessed testimony we've received.

The confidence I speak of is supplemental to the confidence imparted by revelation(s), but still very important.

Yes, Matthew 25:
Sorry for the long quote. From this parable, it seems that Jesus is saying that helping others is the same as helping Him. However, if you don't help others you will be punished eternally. This appears to say that failing to perform certain actions will result in loss of salvation or not having it in the first place.


I certainly agree that it is impossible to keep the law, especially in your own heart. With that admission, I have a few questions to tie things together.

1. Were violations of the law consider to be sins?
2. Since the law stands for all time, is violation of the law considered sin now. Do we have to ask Christ for forgiveness if we eat unclean animals or collect firewood on the Sabbath? I know it seems silly because I never see Christians worry about asking forgiveness when ordering a ham sandwich. However I think clarification is needed for me to understand what God wants.

That's true.



I can't imagine that denying the poor and hungry you pass on the street is going to earn you many blessings. But also keep in mind, Jesus said, "take this and eat, this is my body". So there we are back at faith again. And denying a person's faith is probably egads more detrimental than denying them a sandwich.



Personally, I have the opposite problem. My heart is pretty well with it all.


yes


yes



I do, for certain things I might do on the sabbath. we actually do keep the seventh day sabbath here.. But we don't eat any unclean animals. Basically, they are simply unhealthy to eat.



Well, to their detriment considering the nitrates and other reasons a person should not eat pork to begin with. Anyone who likes to eat animals that enjoy rolling around in and even eating their own feces should have their head examined in my opinion.

But, eating ham, though it may cause your physical health to suffer, will not cause your salvation to suffer, as far as I know anyway. I guess though that if you eat a lot of ham and get sick and then ask God to heal you you might have a bit of a problem there. So don't get angry at him if you love ham and don't get healed. Your love for ham, which outweighs your love for God's command not to eat it, will take precedence.

Pork literally makes me ill so not eating it isn't much of a problem for me. I used to love oysters though. I think they gave me worms to be perfectly honest and I am now trying very hard to get rid of them completely. They porbably also contributed quite a bit to my toxic burden. I have stopped eating them. Pork is another item that can carry lots of various parasites. It's interesting to note, i grew up eating pork now and then, my mom cooked it... when i stopped eating it as an adult my health improved a lot. After several years of not eating it, just a taste of a slice of ham at a restaurant would make me almost puke. The stuff is utterly obnoxious if you are not conditioned to the taste. I can handle a small slice of bacon now and then. My daughter, who did not grow up eating ham on a regular basis, refuses to touch it, she hates it, she can handle a small slice of bacon now and then too. Show her a hotdog and she will run away in fright.

That's my difficulty with this parable (also the parable of the 10 talents). Jesus doesn't say you probably won't earn blessings. He says that you will be punished eternally...there is no equivocation there. What is this "eternal punishment" that He promises if we don't help others?

Don't eat tilapia, the feces of other fish is their food.

Eating ham looks like a minor problem from our point of view. However, if it is a sin and I continue to do it without asking forgiveness, could that cause me to lose my salvation? I always understood that all sins were equal in God's eyes. So eating a ham sandwich is as bad as stealing or murdering or performing homosexual acts.
If unrepentantly continuing to be murderer or gossip after salvation can cause loss of salvation, shouldn't unrepentant wearing of a flax-and-wool garment also be punished the same?

Maybe I am lumping too many things in one pile.

well, like I already mentioned, since most of Jesus' parables are about faith it would be kind of difficult to exclude this one from any mention of it. And I already mentioned it above.

Man does not live by bread alone.

If you sin and continue to sin, with or without asking forgiveness, my guess is that you never had salvation to begin with. The holy spirit perfects us, we are his work... and sin is the main business. If he isn't working on you to convict you of your sin, I would question why you think you are saved.

I am not sure eating ham enters the equation in any large way but murder and deceit would. Not eating pork is just one of the minor ordinances to keep you and healthy and give you longevity etc, it's not a major commandment.

Unclean meat...pork has to be about the worst yuk it is so nasty. I have stayed away from pork for over 6 years except this one time about a year ago. A lady I work for wanted me to eat lunch with her and I did(a ham sandwich) Well I ended up sick right after that. That is when my stomach went to crap a little over a year ago. Don't know if that is what set me off but that is when all my troubles started. I don't eat shrimp either.

Shrimp makes me ill too.

But my 13 year old is a better judge since she has an unadultered viewpoint.

Shrimp. She hates it.

the garbage can of the sea.

I have said a little more about apologetics, and listed a few links to resources in another area.

Here is the thread.

I could never tolerate pork, even as a child. I only started eating a little bit of bacon for a few years during my teens, but that didn't last long...but even then it was free-range pork. I also would never touch chocolate as a child.

Interestingly enough, wild pigs have deep red flesh, yet pork is considered the other white meat. Its only white because those poor animals barely move around and get so little exercise and have so much fat on them. Life to them is feasting and sleeping. Who would want to eat that?

Bex:

What God out there can claim to have suffered and died such an atrocious death for His people? and then rise again? What God went around healing the sick and raising the dead and giving hope to the poor and wretched? What God can relate to our pains intimately as Christ can? Once I found Christ, there was no other God. He is God.

Jeanie: And even so, what he suffered in Gethsemane - taking on the sins of the world - was probably even worse.... He bled from every pore. Then because of the physical affects of that bleeding which was due to the immense strain no mere human could even endure... taking on all the pain from sin and ALL kinds of suffering of every human being who had or ever would live... Because of this very rare condition of bleeding from every pore (brought on by uncomprehendable stress)... his skin was very delicate and painful already before he was even flogged which made the torture all the more painful and damaging.

I have a paper which was in JAMA by Doctors who researched the physical aspects of what Christ went through.... Its not something I like to dwell on, (it hurts) but necessary to realize. I have a hard time sitting through The Passion of the Christ. But, again, Mel focuses most on the physical suffering and it was actually as hard if not harder actually taking on our sins in the garden.... I don't think His agony was from the dread of what was to come. It was from the agony of taking on all the pain in the world....and THEN dealing with the other traumas. Other people have been crufified and tortured, but on one else has taken on all the pain and suffering of the world - nor could they. (nor could they have withstood it)

I agree about not eating unclean animals, and also that people will be blessed physically (and spiritually, actually) according to their adherence to laws of health.

SoSick, are you by chance a 7th Day Adventist? I have a lot of respect for that faith. (Well..for all Christian faiths, but this one has always appealed to me).

No I am not a seventh day adventist.

But I spent quite a bit of time with the messianic jewish church several years ago learning the Jewish roots and customs of Christianity. It was a valuable experience.

But still that is not why I like to keep the seventh day (Saturday) sabbath. I do it because the Lord urged me to do it. Lots of Christians keep the seventh day sabbath. I know many.

as for me.. I tend to get very involved in my work and chores and used to work 16 hours a day 7 days a week. Not working on saturday has actually helped me achieve a lot more. Sunday is usually a busy day with church and church family et al. Not a day of rest for me.

We are pretty happy with the missionary baptists these days. But I have attended many different churches over the years. Any bible believing church with an on fire preacher with lots of testimony works for me. After you have visited many many churches and heard many many firsthand testimonies you begin to get a very comprehensive view of how the Lord works among his people. He really is the same everywhere. And where he is not the same, he is not, as far as I am concerned, they worship something else.

I truly do not believe that any one church in particular is the 'right' church so to speak.

Even muslims get saved by Jesus... buddhists, hindus. God draws those to Himself who sincerely seek Him.

We have been attending our current church for about 5 years, but I have not officially become a member. They have some dumb rules but I like the crowd. I belong to a few other churches as a member officially though. In winter we attend church most sunday mornings way up on a mountain top with some missionaries. and then we spend the day skiing.

we've traveled a bit. doubtful we'll ever settle down into just one church and call it done. life is too interesting for that.

Hi So Sick, ((( Smiles )))

I haven't read this whole thread yet something else has been
on my mind but...
I'm Baptist too but also I've went beyond that..
Because man can not live by bread alone..
So I've been on the search as well...

Nice to see you back...
May I smile???

Take Care
Lynn

Well hullo lynn..

Well I guess I can smile.. (((( Smiles ))))

Thats good...
I was reading about eating pig above...
I don't like to eat pig either....
The idea of eating that is akin to eating a rodent to me..
Just the thought of eating a rat.. Yuck!

But Dr Becker did a whole show on Dietary Guidlines in the Bible.. Superior foods..
And in Doctor form/terms...
He layed it all out there..
And this time it was all directly from the Bible in dietary
food requirments...
From Genesis all the way out to Daniel ect..
But not only did he do it in the health benefits form..
He did it from the angle of scavengers, toxins, parasitic infection foods, poisons, excessive fat, fish bottom dwellers and infectious disease,
decay & bacteria...

He just broke it all down and explained the reasons in research why certain animals/fish are good to eat and why others are not..
He is so smart and just layed it all out there..
He's really got all that research down..
He said God cares about our physical bodies..
He called God the great Physician and scientific research
is now catching up to all of that of the why's and
what it all means..

Even though he talked about food being lawfull O.K now but
not profitable and he quoted just tons of scriptures on TV..
He said thoses food requirements are still good to live by..
He said there are good reasons for them..
If one cares about their health...
Quality foods.. The Sacrific of the best you had to offer..
Thats what God wants..
The best...
He said it's worth the effert to make the changes and he ended it with quoteing 3 John 2..
Beloved, in regard to all things, I pray (for) you to do well and to be in health, as your soul does well..

And good health does mean alot too as without it..
We give out easily for sure...

I learn alot from watching his program..
He's really smart..

Take Care
Everybody
Lynn

Talking about food laws, ((( Smiles )))

I just wanted to add what is very interesting when it comes to
the concepts like spoken of above..
The ancient laws of the Hebrews and through a generational
concept of purity and God was really really strict with them
because it was leading up to that day of the comeing Messiah
Jesus..

And we live in a highly toxic environment and everything is so overprescribed to us..
I couldn't see Jesus comeing through anything pure theses days..
There was no sugary empty calorie sodas back then in aluminum cans....
They got alot of exercise of course walking ect..
and there is research that shows that a poor diet is as damageing to your health as smokeing can be..
And lack of exercise..
So in the strict food laws there was a purpose there for sure.. It was all about keeping pure mentally and physically..
Up to the task.. Keeping well too..

Which leads me to..
When I was watching Nova On epigenetics..
The Science of change...
Genes may not be the whole story as epigenetics are triggers..
Can be inherited from generation like from poor nutrician and health..
Environmental toxins and exposures in past generations..
The links to the past and future...
They injected pesticides in mice and it effected rats DNA...
And they talked about Autism as well..
As there is no distinctive Autistic gene..
And they also looked at identical twins...
Same genes.. One severly autistic.. One not....
And thats where epigenetics play a role....

http://www.ehponline.org/members/2006/114-3/focus.html
The bottom of the iceberg is epigenetics. ”
And the triggers are...
Known or suspected drivers behind epigenetic processes include many agents, including heavy metals, pesticides,
diesel exhaust, tobacco smoke, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, hormones, radioactivity, viruses, bacteria, and basic nutrients...

Gives one alot to think about.....
Doesn't it......
Of what can effect the future generations....
As well as what efects us all now...

But back then it was a more pure environment in the first place..
This world has gotten really bad expecially since the industrial
age and all this pollution like they didn't have the heavy mental pollution like being bombarded by commericals ect..
Expecially drug commercials and the special effects constantly..
Of course they had there own stuff to overcome but..
As 1 Corinthians 23.. All things are lawfull to me, but not all things profit. All things are lawfull to me but not all things build up..

So the food laws still make alot of sense as not all foods
build up.. It's for our own good not by the law itself..
But doing all things to the glory of God..
In eating and drinking..
That profits us.. We have choices...
Dr Beckers program on that was really really educational on
the why's of a good diet..

We live in a tough world but within all that we can still find
this joy of being.. Alive and free and well and even if not...
That inner peace.. Of knowing of hope and in shareing I find that place..
And if I ever get sick again I'll still be there
in what I believe to be true..
That helped push me in the direction of getting well..
Because I believed I could as much as my body allows..
In this lifetime of harm as even radiation damages the DNA
structure/tissues and one may never be totally the same..
As God intended one to be in a natural state..
And God is very angry over thoses ruining the earth as of today..
It's just that giant leap of faith that got me there..
Except what your life could be and be greatfull for the gift
of life..
I think antibiotics was one of the things that screwed my ears up too..
A certain kind of antibiotic I would not take antibiotics unless I really really needed one theses days..
I'm trying to do what Dr Becker says to do on TV instead when ever possible..
To do what I can in the ageing process of life and the harm from the environment we find ourselves in today..
Dr Becker is a gift...
I'm gratefull for that in this messed up world..
Especially of today..

Take Care
Lynn

We had Christmas ham with friends one year - it was delicious, rum, cloves, brown sugar. I had just been reading the Eat Right 4 Your Type books and my type (no types) are supposed to do well with pork as its known to lower resistance. Oddly enough, I very much enjoyed that dinner, but got sick right after. That was kind of an experiment. I also read The Maker's Diet which is written by a Christian Jew (Jordan Rubin) where he talks about the reasons for biblical health laws. One part in there really hit me. He talks about how the plague didn't affect the jewish people. Those who were affected were suspicious at that point of them, but didn't realize the difference was that the Jews kept to the clean animals. (Notice in movies how they portray people then sometimes even living with pigs in winter). Anyway - not a pork eater either. An Aunt and Uncle use to have a pig farm - fresh ham is so good...but I cannot bring myself to eat it now.

Hi Jeanie, ((( Smiles )))

Thats interesting..
I bet they were very healthy like Daniel for standing firm..
Though also complaining and grumbling at the same time as
the Bible talks about..
Because bad foods can be very delicious indeed..
Ohh.. Like I like sugar sweet cakes....
The more chocolate the better or chocolate chip ice cream cake..

Can't live off that and do well eventually...
But I like the taste alot ....
Do better without though...
Yep.. The clean animals..
Dr Becker talked about that concept too..
The Makers Diet...
Must be an interesting book..
Got to look that one up sounds good..

Take Care
Lynn

He sells a lot of supplements...but his story is quite compelling. He was dying and very puny till he changed his diet, etc.

Interesting Thread, (((( Smiles ))))

I was reading this and also watching images of Budda hell on the history channel..
What a mighty hot place they got there.
Wonder who's going to end up there.
And thats a fact...
As he's probably already there home sweet home..
Because thats where Satans going..
No matter which one you go to.
It's a big lake of fire for sure.
Didn't know Buddists had such a place to go too..
But I guess they do..


In the hell realm, the worst place, you find the most suffering.
Your are given little hell bodies when you enter.
Then, one day you might be walking through a forest, when all the leaves on a tree turn into razor blades and fall, cutting you into a million pieces.
You cry out in pain, and your hell body resurrects, so you can be killed over and over again.

The only way to get out of the hell realm is to burn through the karma that put you there.
Suffering is the only act of purification in hell, and much suffering is necessary before the next rebirth.

!... Hummm....
How come the world is getting worse then??
Instead of better..
If that was true..

Yes, (((( Smiles )))

The History Channel had an indept study of the Buddists hell and I think they had levels too..
It was awhile back but thats one description right there above and since the beginning of time for them...
whenever they consider that to be.
That would be alot of people who have been through back and forth I would guess from so called Budda hell..
As evil deeds and other crimes goes way way back in time and the world hasen't gotten better either..
You would think that when they got out they would remember that expirence for sure in some way...
Otherwise whats the use???
and the world would be like Disneyland by now.
Going through something such as described above would make me change my ways pretty quick..
Cut right to the point of the matter.
As for any harden criminal..
Would they change their ways??
Or at least lie about it to get out..
But the world is getting worse not better as the Bible says it will and it says that even with the wrath that God sends down on them...
that they will NOT REPENT of their evil deeds..
No matter what...
So what then????
If they will not choose or be forced to change...
Hmmmmmmm...
What the Bible says about it makes alot more sense to me.
Things aren't getting better they are getting worse..
It can't go on like this forever.
Only God can put a stop to all of this evil in the world.
And clean up the heavens and the earth.
And consume Satan with the brightness of his comeing..
As Satans government will be set up first.
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan ...
Then the world will be a much better place for sure.
It's not that way now.
Not be a long shot..
There would be no punishment worse for me then comeing back again and again and again and again to a world that gets more evil by the moment..
I see no end to that.
Gods plan is much better..
When sickness & death & pain and sorrow will be no more.
To many people suffering as it is in this world today.
Got to be an end to that..

Stay Well
Lynn