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Worried about Russ #33301
03/21/08 08:30 AM
03/21/08 08:30 AM
bg123  Offline OP
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I read one of the recent posts of Russ in the Chemtrail Forum.

http://urlbam.com/ha/Lzzz
(russ shortened this link to make it easier to read)

It sounds like he is having health problems. He says that the area where he lives is being bombarded with chemicals and mercury. He also made pictures of the chemtrails he observed.
I don't know what to believe. Most of the pictures look pretty normal too me.

He said that he needs 40-70 supplements daily to maintain his health.

I have to admit that i am bit sceptical about the whole chemtrail stuff. When your brain is toxic you have to be very careful not to become too paranoid about things. It's easy to panic and become irrational. That being said i am a bit sceptical about many conspiracy theories. I am not saying that corruption, deception and many evil things do not exist in our world but i don't believe that ALL the conspiracy stuff is real. I believe that the more toxic an individual is the easier it is to get paranoid about things.

So what is really happening here<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Is Russ in danger because of massive mercury air contamination, or is he just panicking and needs to detox more(or use an other detox agent than chlorella )?

No matter what the truth is, i hope he is doing well and not in danger.

I hope i didn't hurt anyone feelings with this post. In my opinion Russ is a great guy and has a big heart. I just don't know what to believe<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

What do you think?



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Re: Worried about Russ #33302
03/21/08 12:36 PM
03/21/08 12:36 PM
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Chemtrails are no joke. I watched the sky all the time when I was a kid, and I'm 22 now and the skies are full of things that weren't there when I was little. Not only chemtrails but strange patterns in the clouds and different formations than I've ever seen before. The earth is changing fast and its hard to fathom...just the population growth alone is enough to drop my jaw.

I don't worry about it though. All I need is faith in something greater.

Re: Worried about Russ #33303
03/21/08 01:50 PM
03/21/08 01:50 PM
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Yeah, Russ is having a real hard time right now. He has to move house because of this. Selling up and shipping out. He is moving to a chemtrail free zone. And good luck to him.

Believe him? Sure I do! Read his posts….he feels that crap raining down on him…he drives to a chemtrail free zone and he gets better, Laura too.

I don’t know what he is doing to detox himself though???? i guess he will have to start chelating again...if he's got mercury symptoms.....

Get well soon Russ. hope your plans work out perfectly.


"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident."

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Re: Worried about Russ #33304
03/21/08 02:13 PM
03/21/08 02:13 PM
bg123  Offline OP
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I don't remember how the sky looked like when i was younger....

It would be interesting to know what other people think about the chemtrail phenomena and why they do/do not believe in it. One of the reasons i find it hard to believe is that i don't not live in the US but see the same contrails/chemtrails in the sky. If all these planes all over the world were doing illegal stuff too many people would notice it. There are simply too many people involved in government/military etc. that it could not be covered up. But that is were i live....

People report seeing chemtrails all over the world so i believe it's more realistic that these are just normal contrails. I do not know what happens in the US. Maybe the sky looks much different there but i doubt it.

Russ said that he believes that this chemtrail spraying is done by the pharmaceutical companies who want contaminate the air with mercury because too many people are finding out that amalgam fillings are dangerous and now they don't want people to recover.

I don't know what to think about this but in my opinion the majority of people does not know about the dangers of amalgam and does not care about mercury. I would say that 95%+ still believe it is safe and never replace their fillings. So why would they do this aggressive spraying now if most people still have enormous quantities of mercury in their mouth??? No need to....

I also remember that when i was highly toxic i would get panic attacks just because i THOUGHT i may have been exposed to a (non mercury) toxin. The fact that i got panic attacks/severe adverse reactions would then confirm that this was indeed true. It was not. It was just anxiety that was causing my severe reactions. I later found out that there was no toxin. I was just in a highly agitated state because i was so mercury toxic.

Just because you get reactions to something it doesn't mean it's toxic. The thought alone that something may harm you can cause you to overeact.






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Re: Worried about Russ #33305
03/21/08 05:59 PM
03/21/08 05:59 PM
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Chemtrails are for real, its frightening!

Re: Worried about Russ #33306
03/21/08 06:34 PM
03/21/08 06:34 PM
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Yeah I'm worried too. I sure do believe him. Once you've been through mercury poisoning and detoxed, you become highly aware of any further exposures. Hal Huggins talks about this too. It's a two edged sword. The body detects further exposures and seems to have a protective mechanism to let you know that "I remember this stuff, it hurt me before". You become hyper sensitive to it and the fact you got toxic in the first place, means you are highly suseptible to it also.

I get ill from walking into a dental environment, yet other people seem "ok". The mercury already in there repoisons me and I have to wait a long time to improve even slightly. Months. I can chelate it out faster, but it's expensive too.

Russ has been through amalgam toxicity, detoxed and gotten himself well and has been well for years it seems. So I don't doubt at all that this recent exposure from chem trails has knocked him and his working partner for a row of ash cans. If one visit to a dental office can hurt some people (like me), what must chem trails do? I've never seen Russ come across as dramatic or paranoid, rather I have found him to be very down to earth, logical, but also learned and aware.

So no, I have no doubts and I am just glad I am not living there. I am still trying to recover from my last dental visit. and I do not wish to ever go back. Mercury is a problem for me even in apparently quite moderate exposures. Other people seem to have no sensitivity to it, and no problem eliminating it when they are exposed. I am not one of those people that go into a state of panic when I "think" it's mercury. It either happens or it doesn't. The results are evident in themselves, no anxiety involved, just toxicity and distress at having to once again wait for my body to eliminate it, which it doesn't do well at all.

I hope Russ and his partner Laura will get through this and get themselves further detoxed again. This is appaulling to have to endure, something once again, not of their own making (nor anybody else around there who is also enduring it).

Re: Worried about Russ #33307
03/21/08 07:56 PM
03/21/08 07:56 PM
bg123  Offline OP
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I don't know maybe there is a lot of mercury being dumped where Russ lives. I looked at his chemtrail pictures and found they looked quite normal, nothing special there.... A few clouds, a few contrails/chemtrails don't know what to believe. Russ always seemed to be a kind, honest and calm individual. The problem is that i don't see who would be so crazy to spray mercury in the air and how this could be covered up. I think there would be better ways to poison people, it doesn't make much sense to me....

I don't know how a normal contrail should look like, i think i would not be able to tell the difference. I see a lot of contrails/chemtrails? over my house i never paid attention to it until i heard about the chemtrail theories.

If these things are for real, i think i am wasting my time with mercury detox <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

but maybe there is an other explaination for this, coal-fired power plants for example.

I don't know what to think when i look at these pictures:

http://herballure.com/ForumExtras/Images/lbsnykuqwj.jpg - this looks like normal clouds
http://herballure.com/ForumExtras/Images/zpvnihrddn.jpg - this too



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Re: Worried about Russ #33308
03/22/08 04:36 AM
03/22/08 04:36 AM
tracy  Offline
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Please excuse if this post dosen't make as much sense as I think it does, brain a bit foggy today. Just wondering how people got to know Russ was not too good. Is he really tking that many supplements a day? I have limited knowledge about this, but I would have thought this amount could have the potential to make you seriously ill. Also is there really anywhere where chemtrails don't exist or is it just that there are less. I must admit I'm getting a bit confused because if something toxic has made you ill, surely it remains in your system for a long time, so by removing yourself from that area would not make you fell immediately better, wouldn't it still be in your system anyway? If we are being affected by chemtrails, why isn't every person ill? Sorry I just get confused about thes issues. Thanks guys Tracy xx <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Re: Worried about Russ #33309
03/22/08 05:32 AM
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Re: Worried about Russ #33310
03/22/08 10:27 AM
03/22/08 10:27 AM
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I do not know russ personally but have come to admire him as a person for what he has done with this forum and to educate people about many health issues , that being said , in my 21 years in the military I was an aviation mechanic for 18 of those and have worked and flown on many different types of aircraft and know for a fact that contrails are a part of high altitude air travel , it is the same as seeing your breath on a cold day ,but in a much larger volume, this is why you will never see contrails at low altitudes ,it is just to warm for condensation to form the aircraft engine ,

,but there are times when aircraft will spray pestisides , we had aircraft spraying over our house about 4 years ago ,they were trying to get rid of the gypsy moths in our area because of the damage that they do to the trees , and felt sick for a week just from that

Re: Worried about Russ #33311
03/22/08 12:10 PM
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I see nothing unusual in the photos, like Mikey said they are simply contrails from high altitude air travel.

(No Need To Be) Worried about Russ #33312
03/23/08 04:53 AM
03/23/08 04:53 AM
Russ  Online Content

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I saw this post begin a few days ago and do appreciate the concern. I also understand and respect the skepticism about chemtrails, as I was initially very skeptical (for 2 full years) about all of the pieces of the puzzle that I've assembled over the years, so please allow me chime in and offer some thoughts and ideas that may help anyone suffering with mercury or having concerns about me.


[color:"brown"]Concerning the fact that I'm getting sick again...[/color]

Yes, indeed I am getting sick again. Let me provide a little background.

Let me start way back...

Healthy kid. Very athletic. Fast runner. Tallest, biggest,strongest kid in most of my classes throughout elementary school.

Enter teen years. Several amalgam fillings placed. Began downward spiral into deep depression. Became exceptionally shy and withdrawn. Thought about death and suicide daily; didn't know it was abnormal to do so. Had problems with concentration and reading comprehension. Grades were generally good except in math (couldn't remember all the algebra rules).

This emotional state continued throughout 20's. Rode bike 10 to 50 miles per week. Played racquetball 4 days per week in hot Florida sun. Worked out with weights 5 nights per week. Very fit but depressed, shy, and fearful.

30's: Started gaining weight and having numerous other subtle health issues. Wrote it off as aging. Started getting into herbs and alternative supplements to compensate.

33: Health issues serious. Weight gain uncontrollable. Taking 20 to 30 herbs/vitamins per day to keep issues at bay. Wondering if I had cancer or something serious. No longer exercising or working out because I would get sick the following day as my immune system was weak.

35: Taking 30 to 40 supplements per day to mitigate health issues. Working only 4 hours per day. Taking daily naps. Candida uncontrollable. Immune system extremely weak. Short-term memory horrible. Feelings of oppression, depression, exhaustion, and about 17 physical issues. I told my business partner that I don't know where my health would be in a year or how was I going to help run our business.

June: Found out about mercury in amalgam fillings. Had them removed July 2000. Following day is the best day of my life. My energy is back and depression is gone. All symptoms are gone.

Next few months are a roller coaster ride, with ups and downs in my health, but a strong trend line upward.

6 Months after removal: My health is better than ever before. My depression, anxiety, fatigue, sleep issues, shyness, and all other physical health problems are virtually gone. I have noticed significant improvements in my memory. I am able to recall times, dates, and names better than ever in my life.

I can eat anything without repercussions.

I deliberately try to make myself sick and try to destroy my sleep as an experiment. I eat 3 or 4 donuts before bed, drink coffee, and eat other junk food and still sleep like a baby and experience no other health effects (before the amalgam removal, all of the above would have absolutely ruined me for a day or three). These are by far the best health and emotional years of my life.

February 2003, move to Jamestown, New York.

All is well except after about a year later, began experiencing some fatigue. A little later, more symptoms begin.

I realize that I've personally heard about more people dying of cancer in this town than I have ever heard of in my life. Also begin to realize that a number of local people (including family) have told me that there is an unusually high number of "crazy" people in Jamestown. State-funded "Resource Center" for emotional issues, retardation, and schizophrenia is one of the largest employers in town.

I eventually notice that my list of personal symptoms are virtually the same as when I was mercury toxic, just not as severe.

March 2005, my hair starts thinning, fatigue is becoming difficult to deal with (along with several other symptoms), and both my employee and my hair stylist informs me that they have lost a significant amount of hair (they don't know each other). The stylists tells me she was in the shower crying with hand fulls of hair in her hands, wondering what on Earth is going on.

I begin to get serious about finding a cause/solution to these problems.

Epiphany: Finally realize that I live 1.5 miles downwind of a coal-burning power plant. Experienced one of these "I cannot believe I did this" moments, having known the magnanimous and well-known health issues associated with "coal-fired" plants.

Did some research and found that this plant blows between 150 and 350 pounds (yes, pounds) of mercury into the air each year. Shocked.

Enter "survival" mode.

Begin to take heavy supplementation to counter effects of mercury on body. Experience some degree of improvement, but also realize the only long-term solution is to move. Idea of moving is depressing because of attachment to the house and wonderful nature of the people in the area, plus the beautiful land.

November 2005, discover chemtrails, and begin photographing them over Jamestown:

http://russtanner.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=719
http://russtanner.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=762
http://russtanner.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1281

The first day I photographed chemtrails, I stood outside under them for quite a while. That very night, I experienced fibromyalgia symptoms horribly. My leg muscles ached so bad that I had to turn over several time that night. It felt like I had huge bruises inside my leg muscles. This is the first time in my life that I have ever experienced these symptoms.

I experienced these same symptoms again several times but only when I was directly exposed to the outside air when chemtrails were present.

Several months ago: I began having new symptoms that were only associated with the appearance of chemtrails. These included horribly burning in my sinuses, headache, physically visible dark circles under my eyes, fatigue, and horrible brain fog. Laura experienced the same set of symptoms but to a lessor degree.

These symptoms continued very consistently for a few months until a couple months ago when the symptom set changed again, and just as suddenly (in one day). The new symptoms included all of the previous symptoms plus painful-cracking joints, twitching muscles, very tight muscles, heartburn, oily skin, light headedness, weak/skipping heart beat, plus a number of other symptoms that I clearly recognize as mercury-related symptoms.

Now, some of the symptoms overlap with mercury symptoms that I already have (and blame on the power plant), but to a much lessor intensity. When the chemtrails appear, these symptoms appear within minutes. One of the stranger ones--oily skin--appears about an hour after the other symptoms appear, but this certainly makes sense because of the chemistry involved with DHT levels, namely, when they increase, several things happen, including oily skin and hair loss. Incidentally, the rate of my hair loss has increased visibly since the "new" and latest chemtrail symptom set has appeared. This is a symptomatic indicator that mercury in high levels is present in the "new" chemtrails.

So considering all of this symptomatic information that I have collected (this post only covers a very brief layer of it as there is much more that I have collected but not posting here for space and time considerations), I have drawn some basic conclusions about what is happening here.

First, it is clear to me that I have been exposed to mercury (and other toxins) from the coal-burning power plant since I moved here. This accounts for my initial fatigue along with the slow, progressive onset of other mercury-related symptoms. The fact that I am very familiar with mercury and it's effects on the body make this pretty easy for me to identify.

Second, mercury (and other toxins) emitted from the power plant become lodged in snow. When the snow melts, symptoms increase dramatically. This accounts for the dramatic hair loss and other symptoms that increase dramatically during the months when snow is melting, namely late February, March, and April. Not mentioned previously are the facts that a disproportionate number of people become sick in this area during those months (my brother has just gotten over a week-long illness).

Third, the chemtrail formula was changed several months ago and may be the cause for the lumps I have since found in my body (cancer?) and the several people I have personal knowledge of who have been diagnosed with or have died from cancer in the past few months in this area. The sudden onset of the cancers has been downright creepy. It is well known that viruses (artificial and otherwise) exist that cause rapid spreading cancers.

Fourth, the chemtrail formula has changed yet again and probably now includes mercury (at least in this area). This accounts for the dramatic (not gradual) increase in mercury symptoms that I (and Laura) experience when chemtrails appear.

So, at this point, I am facing another bout with an old enemy. Fortunately, I am more thoroughly equipped this time, and I will be firing back with publically-posted information that I hope will help people.

Fifth, the use of mercury in chemtrails is perfectly logical to me for many reasons. To begin with, there is a rapidly-growing awareness about mercury in amalgams and vaccines and the damage it causes (this despite currently-running strong disinformation campaigns to the contrary; as media credibility is at an all-time low). They are no longer able to successfully lie to the public about the safety of mercury in amalgams and vaccines, plus they are no longer able to claim that mercury does not cause autism and a host of other diseases as the science is finally becoming publically known that clearly shows the connections.

At this point, it's important to understand that the discovery about a connection between mercury in vaccines and disease would eventually lead to the prosecution and execution of the perpetrators, and this is something they are willing to avoid at all costs.

This new awareness of these connections between mercury and disease now leaves them in a corner. They can no longer lie about the connection between mercury and disease so the only (legal) card left to play is to lie about the source of the mercury. This way, when in court, they can say, "Gee, we were wrong about the connection between mercury and disease (sorry, we didn't know), but you cannot prove (beyond a shadow of a doubt) that the mercury in vaccines or amalgams was the actual mercury that caused the disease because it could very well have been caused by all of the mercury we now find in the environment." Of course, this environmental mercury is mercury they placed there through the vehicle of chemtrails.

It's important to understand that this is all about law, because if they can win the case, they will not only stay out of jail or avoid execution, but they will never be able to be successfully tried on the same premise again. In short, they are absolutely free to continue their operations without fear of punishment. Remember, 90% of court cases are won or lost before they begin.


[color:"brown"]Mercury In Modern Medicine[/color]

Now, let me talk about mercury and its use in medicine, because we all know that mercury has been used in vaccines and amalgam fillings for a long time now.

Mercury is a favorite weapon for use in population reduction because of it's accumulative action in the body along with its diverse collection of symptoms that vary based on genetics. The genetic factor would make it more easy to cause the public to accept the idea that diseases are associated with genetics, and then to hold the public focus on genetics instead of the actual cause.

Mercury has also been used for decades against the general population because it is hard to diagnose (unless you know what you are doing), and doctors are notoriously clueless in the area of mercury toxicity diagnosis. It has also been used because of the time delay between exposure and the occurrence of symptoms. This, of course, disassociates the cause with the symptoms. This delay also allows the pharmaceutical companies (and doctors-in-general) to collect fees over an extended period of time while treating (not curing) symptoms that are--in reality--associated with mercury toxicity; a cause that is notoriously absent from modern medical education.

I realize that what I am about to present may be hard for some to accept, but it is only hard because you have not been exposed to the true nature of some of the most powerful people in the world. You, having a normal, kind (hopefully), sympathetic nature, expect that others are like you, but this is where we make our greatest mistake.

History is saturated with stories about evil power seekers killing masses of people to gain power and wealth. The American forefathers warned about these people incessantly. They said that we should be constantly aware of those who would attempt to subvert freedom for their own gain.

Now think about this with an open mind for a moment.

We all know that a car can be lethal. If you drive a car at a high rate of speed at a person, and then collide with that person, they will likely die. You--the driver--will then be tried and convicted of homicide (of some type) and be punished or executed. You don't need to be an expert in cars to know and understand that cars can kill.

Another example.

We all know that arsenic is toxic. Furthermore, we are responsible to know that arsenic is toxic. If an 18 year old person put arsenic in his parent's tea, they would likely be tried and convicted of a serious crime because they are responsible to know that arsenic is toxic. There would be little chance of pleading ignorance about the fact that arsenic is toxic.

Enter mercury.

By the time we are in high school, we are expected to know that mercury is toxic. If we were to put mercury in our parent's tea, and they died, we would likely be tried and convicted of a serious crime because we are responsible to know that mercury is toxic. There would be little chance of pleading ignorance about the fact that mercury is toxic.

Now picture this.

A medical professional with medical and scientific training decides to put mercury in his parent's tea, and they died. In this case, there would be virtually no chance that this medical professional would be able to plead ignorance about the fact that mercury is toxic for two reasons: (1) because they are an adult, and (2) because they are a trained medical professional.

Now let's go one step further.

You are a medical expert and policy maker. You invent medical "methods"--"cures"--"solutions" for people's ailments. You--as a medical policy maker--decide that it is good medical practice to put mercury in people's mouths. You also decide that it is good medical practice to inject mercury directly into the bloodstream of children. You declare this practice a standard and acceptable medical "procedure", and you also know that as a result of your declaration, that the country you "serve" will implement the injection of mercury as an accepted medical procedure, and as a result, medical professionals will be trailed to perform this injection of mercury into human bodies on a daily basis country-wide.

Now consider the following facts.

Mercury toxicity is one of the best known and best studied toxins in the world. The medical literature has a long history of in-depth knowledge about the horrible effects of mercury on the human body. This medical research about mercury toxicity dates back into the 1800's (actually much earlier), and by the mid 1900's, encompassed a volume of information large enough to fill several large books. In fact, not only do doctors know that mercury is toxic, but nurses know it is toxic, and even common everyday people know it is extremely toxic (in fact they are legally responsible to know that it is toxic).

Considering the preceding facts, is it possible to believe that a medically-trained policy maker would choose to use mercury for injection directly into the human body without having another purpose or goal in mind?

It has long been spoken--albeit not openly--by rich industry leaders that the best way to make money is to create a problem and then to secure exclusive rights to (patent) the solution. Think tanks have also realized that there are limits to the amount of money people are willing to spend to solve a problem.

If the problem is with a person's car, they will be willing to spend a certain amount of money.

If the problem is with a person's house, they will spend quite a bit more money.

However, there is one item--one particular machine--for which there is virtually no limit to the amount of money a person will spend to correct a serious problem: their body.

So, as an example, if you could create a certain type of virus that causes a cancer that threatens the life of the person who has it, then you could patent the vaccine, then you could sell the vaccine for enormous amounts of money and the victims would gratefully pay whatever you charge. Yes, this scenario could undoubtedly create one of the largest and most powerful industries in the world (injecting foreign substances into the body: "phamracology") and could potentially hold the entire population of the world in hostage to your technology.

The only catch is that you--as the creator of this problem--would have to conceal the fact that you created the problem, and you would be willing to do anything to conceal this fact because you know that if you were found out, you would most certainly be executed.

You would be willing to falsify scientific research and then gain control of (or ally yourself with) media outlets (by running billion-dollar advertising campaigns) to distribute (mis)information. You would even be willing to assassinate people who were a threat to you, because after all, if you had so little conscience that you had no trouble engineering such a plan to begin with, then you certainly have so little conscience that you would have no trouble killing those who may provide evidence or information that could have you executed for your crimes. In fact, to provide another layer of protection, you would most certainly want to coerce (make campaign contributions) "lawmakers" to make laws that exempt you from prosecution regardless of the damage you have caused.

The lawlessness of the FDA, Big Pharma immunity, and crimes against humanity
http://www.naturalnews.com/019497.html

The fact is, as hard as it may be for the normal, hard-working, ethical person to believe, there are people in this world who have no conscience, and these people are almost always those who have grand, self-promoting aspirations of achieving wealth and power: History is indeed replete with examples of just such groups and individuals. I have indeed met some.


[color:"brown"]Now let's talk about why I easily accept chemtrails as a logical extension of the pharmaceutical industry agenda.[/color]

My acceptance of the possibility of chemtrails as being malicious was relatively fast because of my background in global conspiracy theory, Biblical prophecy, scientific herbal research (and the lies that the media tells on a regular basis against the herbal industry), and my experience with mercury toxicity. I could say a lot here but suffice it to say, when you finally see the MO of a con artist (mainstream media), you are more able to quickly identify his methods.

I have watched the skies all of my life. I loved the idea of flight. My dream in elementary school was to be the one of the first crew members to travel to Mars. My 6th grade school teacher (Mrs. Schwab--her name came back to me within the first 2 years after my amalgam removal) called me "Spock" because when I would determine that something was not believable, I would say "that's illogical".

In elementary school, I knew all of the U.S. fighter jets by name and number. I knew all of the U.S. rocket booster and payload modules by name (i.e. Saturn, Atlas, Agena, Mercury, Gemini, Delta, etc.) I used to skip lunch and take my lunch money and go to the library and make copies of rocket and jet pictures and their technical specifications until I accumulated copies (about 4 inches thick) that I stashed under my bed and read at night after "lights out" (what a sneak I was).

All my younger life, anything and everything to do with flight was the focus of my attention. When I heard the sound of a plane or jet in the sky, I would stop and look up no matter what I was doing. When taking a driving trip to the west coast, one of my most memorable stops was the Hale observatory--my favorite as a kid--and the source of some of the most dramatic astronomical photography in history. Hale was the best and I had a huge collection of photos (lunch-money copies) to prove it!

In my 20's, I took flying lessons (Cessna); almost went solo until my life plans dramatically changed.

My point in saying all this is to say that I know something about planes, jets, and rockets. You know, one of the things that was "most cool" to see as a kid, was a jet engine leaving a contrail. Of course, part of what made contrails so "cool" was that you could only spot one once per month (if you were really lucky), and the contrails only lasted about 3 to 5 seconds, but boy where they "cool" when you finally saw one.

At that time, I understood what made contrails occur and why they were so rare. The conditions that make them occur are still the same, and are still very rare.

With this background and with a history of "contrail spotting", I was quick to recognize that these long trails we are seeing behind these jets today are not contrails; they cannot possibly be because the physics does not support this assertion. They are definitely something else, something entirely new.

In order to maintain intellectual integrity, it's important to follow the data, even if you don't like where it leads you. Intellectual integrity is very important to me, in part because the lack of it in the medical industry ruined the vast majority of my life. My only way to recover this lost time is to see that it does not happen to anyone else.


And for those concerned about the supplements I've been taking, here's a partial list that may also provide some useful information for those with mercury toxicity (I hope it helps):

(Information contained in this post is for educational purposes only. This post makes no claims. The descriptions of supplements below outline my beliefs (and in most cases, the scientific information documented in the books we've written) and hence why I personally take them. This post is not meant to prescribe, diagnose, or treat anything. If you have a health issue, work with it according to your own beliefs while you still have the freedom to do so.)

Magnesium: A staple for those exposed to mercury. Mercury prohibits the use of magnesium which is why mercury toxic people have tight/twitching muscles and constipation. Mercury toxic persons usually benefit from taking magnesium in amounts that would be considered far too much for a normal healthy person.

Vitamin C: Mercury interferes with vitamin C usage, and since vitamin C is so important for so many things, supplementing with it is vital. In the past few months, I have acquired a horribly achy left shoulder joint and left hip joint. Supplementation with C and "Joint Support" (an NSP product) keeps my arm in use and keeps me walking without a limp.

CoQ10 / Cardio Assurance / Hawthorne: Helps keep my heart beating strong and helps eliminate skipping beats.

Vitamin D3: Another vital supplement for so many things. I take it for bone support and cancer resistance (remember, I have lumps in my body that just appeared in the past couple months).

Wobenzyme: An enzyme supplement known to help cancer for specific reasons.

Vitamin E: Another staple as an antioxidant in the brain to protect against mercury-induced damage.

Malic Acid (Fibro-Malic): Fluoridated water increases aluminum update in the brain. Low magnesium increases aluminum update in the brain. Mercury and aluminum together are 100x more toxic than either alone (Haley). Malic Acid chelates aluminum (important in light of the massive aluminum composition of chemtrails).

Phyto-Soy: Blocks DHT thereby reducing hair loss and oily skin.

Cholester-Reg: Natural cholesterol regulating herbs. Necessary because mercury blocks the methylation of B-12 which increases homocysteine which (1) increases bad cholesterol, and (2) causes brain fog and fatigue.

Omega 3's: Helps rebuild nerve sheathing destroyed by mercury exposure. Symptomatically, reduces numbness and tingling in the hands and feet.

Olive Leaf Extract / Yeast Fungal Detox: Chemtrails have been shown to contain molds in tests conducted out west. These supplements help kill molds. You can also just eat a lot of olive oil which is a natural mold killer.

Calcium (just a little): Needs to be available for the utilization of magnesium. Most mercury toxic persons will have elevated blood (and hence hair) calcium because of the absence of magnesium to utilize it.

B-17: Selectively kills cancer cells. An FDA-suppressed "miracle" vitamin. See Amygdalin (B-17) aka. Laetrile
http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB31

Red Yeast Rice: Cholesterol regulator, necessary because mercury raises cholesterol in connection with its action in raising homocysteine.

Glyco Nutrients: An immune signaler used to increase the efficiency of the immune system.

...And a few others.



[color:"brown"]So without bending anyone's ear any longer, let me just say this:[/color]

Finally, with I have been blessed and fortunate enough to have studied the pertinent subjects that enable me to form a non-trivial picture of what is happening in our world today, including information related to chemtrails. These blessing have come at a dear price, namely, living most of my life in a state of emotional depression and physical duress.

However, as a person who has studied and gained much in-depth understanding about life from the Bible, I understand and submit to the truth that many of the deepest and most gratifying blessings in this life come in the form of suffering, which in turn leads to (if we allow it) a deeper understanding of ourselves and our world, and most of all, of Christ, who will personally empower you to endure the trails of this short life in preparation for the true life to come.

Following are a few ideas I would love to write books on, if I could only find the time.


This is the symbol used by modern medicine:

<img src="http://herballure.com/ForumExtras/Images/tmpcvuoluz.jpg">

This is also the symbol of mercury (the "god").

The more I study this connection, the more I realize that it is not a coincidence.


This is a Biblical prophecy about the time we live in:

"...For your merchants were the great men of the earth, for by your [color:"red"]sorcery[/color] all the nations were deceived."

Revelation 18:23

The word 'sorcery' (Strongs # 5331) in this passage is the Greek word 'pharmakeia' (far-mak-i'-ah). It is defined in Strong's Greek Dictionary of the New Testament as follows:

medication ("pharmacy")

An act of pharmakeia would include ingesting, injecting, or breathing a toxic substance into the body.

See: http://herballure.com/bibledrugs

Think about this:
http://www.naturalnews.com/022809.html


These are pictures I took of chemtrails that I personally watched come out of large, low-flying jets and spread out over the town of Jamestown, New York. We have no airports within many miles that support jets of this size:

Remember:
[color:"brown"]Everything you see in the sky in all of these pictures came out of a jet.[/color]


This first picture was taken downtown in front of the post office looking up the hill towards 6th St.

<img src="http://herballure.com/ForumExtras/Images/fdutoimqlx.jpg">


This next picture was taken directly across the street from the post office. I included the street light in the picture as a reference.

<img src="http://herballure.com/ForumExtras/Images/eagnwfkopw.jpg">


In this picture, I zoomed in a bit on the flag that flies above the post office building.

<img src="http://herballure.com/ForumExtras/Images/qydgnzzmig.jpg">


This picture was taken from my front yard looking out over the town.

<img src="http://herballure.com/ForumExtras/Images/xhkiadbfoz.jpg">


This picture was taken as the chemtrails began to dissipate. The appearance of the resulting pattern was quite stunning, especially if you were to personally witness because you would have been able to get a feel for the enormous size of this event.

<img src="http://herballure.com/ForumExtras/Images/pyhobkhogl.jpg">


This was taken across the street from the post office looking up at a church steeple.

<img src="http://herballure.com/ForumExtras/Images/vkzkwjjdpq.jpg">



Finally, here is an enormous plume directly above my house.

<img src="http://herballure.com/ForumExtras/Images/kztctwxcpm.jpg">



[color:"brown"]A few other links you may find interesting...[/color]

I have a large collection of chemtrails photos located here:
http://russtanner.com/chemtrailgallery

Another Interesting Link...
Biological Warfare: Experiments On the American People

Source:
http://urlbam.com/ha/Qz



[color:"brown"]Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists[/color]

Everyone I personally know who has embarked on a journey to explore global conspiracy theories, has become a believer in them: Yes, everyone.

Why?

Because they are not hard to research, especially if you know where to start (with law).

So, by logical implication, you can accurately say:

"The only people I know who do not believe in conspiracy theories are those who have not researched them."

Now, the best way to derail someone's reputation is to call them paranoid. This is why the media attempts to associate conspiracy theorists with paranoia, but the irony is that it truly takes a brave soul to explore conspiracy theories. This research is not for the timid. It is for those willing to face hard truths.

In fact, the vast majority of conspiracy theorists that I have met (I've met quite a few) are ex-military men who had access to secret military information, have strong families, love their wives and children, and are very kind, intelligent, and courageous. These are my kind of people.

Now, I am not accusing anyone of trying to derail my character, I only want to dispel the myth that conspiracy theories are believed only by the paranoid.

Please consider the following.

In the years of studying this subject, I used to have meetings. Not surprisingly, a pattern developed that I found always held true. The majority of people who attended a meeting would never come back to a second meeting. Nearly always, I would kindly ask them why they didn't come back to another meeting.

By far, the most common answer I received was: "Because the information was too scary."

Yes, it was those who were exposed to the facts about conspiracy theories who were never came back to another meeting who were scared. The ones who came back were brave.

So, the irony is this:

The exact opposite of the common media-fueled belief is actually true:

It's not conspiracy theorists who are paranoid. In truth, it is those who are unwilling to continue researching who are afraid.


[color:"brown"]Thank you[/color]

Although some of this information is difficult to digest in the absence of other information supporting it (and time-consuming to explain), I hope that this post will at least inspire some to take the time to examine whether these things are true. I have, and I have.

I wish the same for you.


Thank you all again for your kind words and your concern. It is appreciated and will be remembered.


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Re: (No Need To Be) Worried about Russ #33313
03/23/08 09:28 AM
03/23/08 09:28 AM
Elvis  Offline
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Posts: 448 ****
The last part a your post Russ I more or less tried to say maself point by point regardin the "conspiracy" issue, ( an then I lost the whole dang post) the only REAL conspirin goin on is done by the powers that be, (henceforward to be referred to as "TBTB)" mainly through the media, esp TV , to keep the peeps dumbed down and slaves to this terrible terrible multifaceted nightmare we all find ourselves in but can't seem to wake up from.

Is it really too much of a leap to go from understandin the willful poisonin of great swathes a the human population through amalgam fillins to the countless other horrors perpetrated upon us? An heres where folks gotta learn to think different,TBTB do NOT give a TOSS about US. See, we ain't related to em, we AIN'T their own kind, it's kinda like we all are another species to em. Thing is, it's real important not to judge other folks based on our good selves, cuz just like they don't see us as part a their family, thank your lucky stars ya'll aren't like these cold an heartless power addicted psychopaths, but that don't mean we should let em get away with it. Some of em, it ain't their fault, they been mind controlled to a great extent as have we, just in a totally differnt way. But I digress, mind control's a whole nother subject for further down the line, an it's full of a lotta sad truths and abuse is at the very heart of how it works..

Be NOT afraid, and if necessary get MAD, but most of all get INFORMED. Knowledge is power folks, and these bar-stewards are literally BANKIN on ya'll bein afraid of findin out too much,an so far we all have lived down to their expectations. We gotta change this before it's too dang late.
But maybe first of all, ya gotta start with tellin the difference between a contrail an a chemtrail:
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/c...ask=view&id=76&Itemid=50
Next, take a good look at some a these lines in the sky, notice how they often have breaks in em where the spray is turned off an on, ( welp, it's prolly actually a chemical-tank change), now this here alone should raise a few suspicions, cuz ya'll can't just turn on an off a contrail, an ya'll sure as heck don't turn off the engines on a plane like that,, next, just observe how close these planes are flyin an the patterns they make, now ask yourself, what kinda crazy asp flight path is that? An where the heck are they goin? An how come they criss-cross back on theirselves?
Ok, what about flouride, just for another example of the war on the plebian, an yep, thats what we are ;
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NpFu_bYkomc
Course the years a flouride consumption make us less intelligent, that combined with substandard food, vaccines, corporate all encompassing lies from media, corrupt bankin systems, purposely dumbed down schoolin, big farma/ epidemic mind numbin anti depressant usage...not to mention war an genocide as daily fodder, an WHY?????????????
C'mon folks, ya'll got computers, ya'll got brains enough to work out what alls been done to ya through the teeth, now ungrit those teeth an bite the bullet, do some research, the government is NOT your friend, maybe some local folks ain't bad, but LOOK AT THE PYRAMID! It's on your dollar bill for heavens sake!If ya got the guts and want to learn, take a gander at this outline of power familys and how they came to get their power, it's history, folks, but not what they're gonna teach ya'll in school, that'd be too damn dangerous:a body might actually think outside the box:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay...=0&type=search&plindex=1
:OK now, if ya'll watch this here, the end bit is a lil up for speculation, but there ain't no arguin with the facts of the connections between TPTB, this here is all verifiable fact.

ok, anybody still with me? A reward, a nice lil story showin the glory a love, in this case between a lion an 2guys who had to give their pet back to the wild.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmc8gDzk2sg
Yep, it's a non sequiter, and BTW, Tracy, lookin good girl!
And yeah I know this is a rant, I'm just so tired a where we all are right now as a species bein kept as victims cuz folks are WAY to happy to give their power away,( mostly through fear) an everbody who refuses to SEE keeps us ALL held back, the world could be a truly beautiful place of peace and harmony, cuz really,how many folks here advocate killin people ? An yet we let it happen, Bush knows best? I don't think so, do you?

To finish, I am concerned about ya Russ, but no more so than for everbody here, you've been an inspiration to us all. Godspeed the move an your subsequent healin. If ya'll respect Russ an he's been of benefit to ya, try seriously considerin where he's comin from. The guy ain't stupid or deluded.
Now what ya'll think about me's another bucket a fried peanut butter sandwiches.
Bless us all, an please try a lil wander outside the comfort zone an use this here computer before they turn it into the just another shopping channel an just ask your selves why that might be
".An the truth shall set you free"... BUT YA GOTTA PERSUE THAT TRUTH , otherwise it just up an slaps ya'll in the face,, and uh, not in a good way neither.



Re: (No Need To Be) Worried about Russ #33314
03/23/08 09:44 AM
03/23/08 09:44 AM
Elvis  Offline
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Deary me, an just a lil more easy-peasy evidence on the chemtrails; http://www.watchthesky.org/chems/chemdata.
A level headed interview about em http://oneheartbooks.com/resources/videos/chemtrails_freeman_peterson.htm
A german expose, cuz they got a lil more freedom of info than us ( in some cases) post WW2
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IaPqCMIuEk4&feature=related

An a petition for those so inclined;
http://www.petitiononline.com/t401/



Re: (No Need To Be) Worried about Russ #33315
03/23/08 10:11 AM
03/23/08 10:11 AM
mikey  Offline
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Posts: 608 ***
this makes more sense to me now, did not know that you lived by a coal burning power plant , they are one of the worst exposures of mercury next to amalgams and direct contact from liquid mercury, I do know that aircraft engine exhaust does contain many chemical byproducts as is in any burned fossile fuel either coal or jet fuel , what may be happening is that your system has been weakened by the power plant mercury exposure , as a result of that ,any other exposures from chemicals will affect you negatively, even going into a dentist office will make you feel worse, the same thing that is happening to bex , have you had ground water samples taken , I would be willing to bet that the soil contains high levels of mercury coming from the power plant smoke stacks settling into the soil and leaching into the ground water

another thing you may want to check out is that church steeple , 60 min last year did a story on cellular companies leasing chuch steeples in your part of the country to use as a cellular tower to increase there reception

Worried about Russ #33316
03/23/08 03:20 PM
03/23/08 03:20 PM
Sunshine P  Offline
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Hi Russ. Good post.

I don’t think the mercury is polluting our world because people do it on purpose, because there are evil people hell bent on death and destruction. Or maybe I should say I HOPE its not. With all my heart I hope its not.

I believe that it simply a symptom of the way our western world works. Everything is driven by money. Everything. All the time. Money shapes our world, our lives, our thoughts, our everything. And that’s what causes so many of todays problems. People turning a blind eye….not because they are evil, but because money is more important. Its here and now…..everyone wants more money…that desire for more is uncontrollable….from the poorest of the poor…to the richest of the rich. I’m not talking about us mercury toxic people…because all we want is our health back…I’m talking about normal everyday people, i.e. the vast majority of people.

Just one small example in a sea of troubles: Pharmaceutical companies want to earn money for their share holders. That is the ultimate goal of big companies…to make money……not to heal people. They make money by persuading people/doctors that their drugs are the solution to their problems. Because the desire for money has become SO important the owners have focused on the money…more sales….more profits…..and nothing else. Unfortunately curing people does not always lead to more money, but less. If the best way to make more money is to actually make the doctors think this is the only solution…proscribing drugs….then so be it….these companies pay for the education of doctors, so it’s no wonder that’s what doctors do, just proscribe drugs….thats all the comapnies are doing…trying to earn a living. In so doing they are killing and ruining life.

Because the companies are so big now, there are few people in control and those people that are in control have an overriding inclination to do what they do best……which is making money. That’s all they know about….how to make money.

I struggle to believe there are SO many evil people in the world. I refuse to believe that….but I do think that we have been sidetracked. We are lost. We have lost our way as a society. Our attention has been diverted on to money and all else fades into the background.

I am not saying all these horrid problems are right, far from it, its completely wrong and change is needed, but the evil you talk about….people on purpose hurting others…I don’t think that’s correct. We, as a people, have been distracted/blinded by something seemingly far more important……money.

Whether you feel the way I do, that it is a symptom of money lust, or like Russ thinks….. that’s it all a big conspiracy …..whatever………the end result is the same, i.e. the troubled world we live in. I just can’t believe so much evil could go unnoticed for so long. This is not a james bond movie, this is real life. And in real life generally people are not evil, but they are lazy and stupid and all too often focus too much on the money.

Denial is so much easier that acquiring knowledge. To learn something new you have to think/read/study/discuss things in detail. To deign something all you need to do is deign.

The good news is that change is happening. Maybe not as fast as some would like. But the information-age is here. Information is flowing fast around the world, in milliseconds you can learn anything you want, if you have the inclination too. Google it. I know that because I have learned so much this last year. If I can learn, others can too. Just the fact that we are here now discussing all these mega problems means information is following and sooner or later change will have to happen. One day a tipping point will happen, for each mega problem. is the mercury tipping point coming soon? after the latest news in court about autism? maybe? hopefully? at some point our society will learn and will change.

I do think it will continue getting worse before it gets better…ho hum.....<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/looney.gif" alt="" />

Get well soon Russ, i hope the big move goes according to plan.

Hi Elvis <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/byebye.gif" alt="" />


"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident."

Sunshine
Re: Worried about Russ #33317
03/24/08 12:47 PM
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How do to you too, Sunshine,
Sadly, although I do believe most average folks are decent at heart, the rules that apply to us plebs ain't the same rules applied at the top levels, I'm purty sure most folks agree that it has been amply proven that power corrupts, an absolute power even more so, so it's a different ballgame for the elite.
For a small example, look at the Bayer Corporation, a formerly trusted company, now have a look here at some a their works, ( only 2 mins, folks)
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay...=0&type=search&plindex=0
If that ain't enough, try 3 mins of this:<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay...=0&type=search&plindex=1
and hey, it's on the NBC, so those that believe in the media, don't hafta take my word for it.

I think most folks would agree this here behaviour goes way beyond the interests of the share holders, another thing worth findin out about is actually how little of the GARGANTUAN money makin corporations profits actually do go to the shareholders, and things ain't what they seem when it comes to who's really pullin the strings, but ya'll gotta want the truth, I can see how unpleasant that is, but there's more of us than them, it's just a question a wantin to learn and then speakin out for whats right.

Re: Worried about Russ #33318
03/24/08 02:25 PM
03/24/08 02:25 PM
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It’s crying shame whats happening in the world. I am a positive person, I usually look on the bright side of life….but seeing them videos…. makes me question the optimism that I have about …….. about whatever all this crap is about.

What a 'mare<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dead.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Worried about Russ #33319
03/24/08 04:16 PM
03/24/08 04:16 PM
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Above all, DO NOT LOSE HEART. this is what makes us different from them, the ability to have human concern. Loosing heart is just one of the ways they win and have been for far too long. We only need to be armed with an education in their modus operandi to begin to protect ourselves an build a better world by calling time on the " people" getting away with literal mass murder.
I myself went through a profound period of mourning for the way I thought the world was.

Somebody way smarter than me said anger is the first stage of enlightenment, he could just be right.
Lets reach critical mass an stop this inhumanity. This is only gonna happen one person at a time questioning what has been goin down right over our heads and under our noses now and for centuries. These guys are long-term planners, too. They say the upper classes plan for the next generation and the working classes plan for the weekend. The elites take it to another level. But still, I thank God I ain't one of em.

We can do better than this, but we gotta take back the power by waking up. Stop relyin on them havin our best interests at heart. Sad to say after many years a studyin., it just ain't so.
But don't take my word for it, investigate, there's plenty a evidence .

Treasure your loved ones and reclaim our sold-down-the-river humanity by spreadin awareness, just like y'all been doin about the mercury issue.The biggest fear these power/money elites have is bein exposed, an thats why I keep tryin to wake people up. Sorry ,it's powerful irritatin.

I just don't like bein a victim and the general public's ignorance and wishful wantin to believe it's all runnin just fine keeps me gettin chemtrailed right along with y'all til enough a y'all wake up an raise a stink.Anaways there is some good news goin down behind the scenes but we gotta face the bad first an take care of long overdue business.

Be strong and be a force for good. Strike a blow against ignorance and reclaim your power.How much more can we take? How much more SHOULD we take?

Re: Worried about Russ #33320
03/24/08 09:01 PM
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Mercury was used commonly as a medicinal up until, probably just a few decades ago or so. A lot of western medicine has it's roots in greek medicine, they used a lot of mercury too. then the industrial uses...

but being an herbalist, that is, using herbs to cure ailments, would have gotten you burnt at the stake as a witch not too many generations ago, and a lot of that mentality still exists too among the medical establishment today.

it's one thing to say ignorance has to go but considering the depth of it's roots, i wish ya luck.

i'll just keep praying.


Re: Worried about Russ #33321
03/25/08 05:14 AM
03/25/08 05:14 AM
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An they might just get a notion to lock ya up nowadays, too, for herbal defiance. How many Americans here really know about the concentration camps right now bein made ready for use?
http://www.nomorehoaxes.com/content/view/38/1/
welp, when ya'll are in one a these theres gonna be a whole lotta time left for prayin, oops, maybe not, these don't look like leisure facilities or church camps.
Whoa, look at these tackamarkers on the back a road signs for where the UN troops are gonna round folks up to :
http://www.tackamarks.freeservers.com/
Have a nice day folks and open up them peepers, for all a y'all's sake.


Re: Worried about Russ #33322
03/25/08 09:31 AM
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An they might just get a notion to lock ya up nowadays, too, for herbal defiance.


that's very true, you make my point quite well.

Funny, a Lutheran Church being involved in something like that. And i thought it was just the evolution and same sex message they were droning these days that left a sour taste in my mouth. Perhaps theosophy is not dead.

I blend pretty well into the landscape, I think I will continue to pray from a distance concerning the re-education camps of the new kingdom.


Re: Worried about Russ #33323
03/25/08 12:05 PM
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Russ, you did a great job of describing why you believe in chemtrails.

I have seen these chemtrails myself over my hometown of Columbus, Ohio. On some days I don't see any at all and on other days the sky is full of them.

Of course two people can see the same thing and interpret it very differently. I believe that chemtrails exist for two reasons.

First, like Russ I have suffered for many years because of the way our health care system has been corrupted. In my quest for knowledge I discovered that this world and those that run the world system are far more evil than I could have ever imagined. Had I not gotten sick my life would have gone a different way and my beliefs would be far different than what they are now.

Second, like Russ I am a Christian. As a Christian I believe that sin has corrupted this world and all in it. However, I describe above why I came to the conclusion that the world is far more evil than I thought it was when I was younger.

In a nutshell Satan is currently the god of this world and I believe that most world leaders have bowed their knees to Satan and are doing his bidding. What are they working to achieve? Well, if you do an internet search on The Tribulation you will see what the world is going to experience. Satan, through a man called the Antichrist, will have absolute control over this world for seven years. At the end of that time two thirds of mankind will have died and the rest will die except for the fact that Jesus Christ returns to earth. Well, you can read the rest in the Bible and there are also many good Christian websites out there that you can refer to.

In short I believe that chemtrails are real and they are just one sign of the evil that exists in this world. For those of you that don't know Jesus Christ I hope that you consider accepting him as your Lord and Savior.

Re: Worried about Russ #33324
03/29/08 10:16 PM
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There is no other logical conclusion than the fact that we were intentionally poisoned with mercury from amalgams and vaccines. Imagine the brainwashing that took to convince millions of doctors/dentists and billions of citizens that that mercury was safe. So it isn't a stretch that airplanes are poisoning us by air. Humanity hasn't changed in the last few centuries or last few decades - which gave us atrocities that make chemtrails look like child's play.

I'll skip the political correctness and say that those same people who poisoned us with amalgam/vaccine mercury and chemtrails also brainwashed us with organized religion (Judaism, Islam, Christianity, etc...).

In fact the dynamics of this thread reflect exactly why those religions were instituted into society - to distract the citizenry from going after those responsible at the top. This is a great thread, but it stops abruptly at religion and is ending with the same religious conclusions that do absolutely nothing to address the problem, in fact many here may actually attack me for bringing this up now, as designed. Think about that. This is nothing new folks. Time and time again in history. Native American Indians and other conquered people of the world were given religion while they were convinced that they should give up everything they had. Usually accompanied with a poison like plenty of alcohol to keep them in a stupor - remind you of mercury? Meanwhile the powers to be got rich off gold and land and whatever else they wanted. Tools of the conquering factions. As designed.

We don't get together as citizens in some basement to discuss American rights and overthrowing those who are responsible, we go to church to pray to a mythical god in the sky to make us better, or to get us into an afterlife that is so much better than our poisoned lives today. Or we say "yes may I have another" pharmaceutical pill to overcome our poisoned state of health. As designed.

We don't insist on getting to the top of who decided to put mercury in us. Instead we fight ourselves, we fight each other over who's "mythological man in the sky" is better or more real. As designed. We talk and talk about how we were so poisoned by the select few at the top who control everything, and then do nothing about it but wish and pray to a myth that THOSE SAME PEOPLE IN POWER GAVE US. They gave us the problem and the savior, meanwhile they are the man behind the curtain we are so gullible not to address. They gave us mercury and Jesus/Mohammad/God all for the same purpose - to make us passive, poisoned, non-confrontational to them but confrontational to eachother, and too sick to do anything but focus on our own health and afterlife and be slaves, paying for things we can't see, living for the day we die, and slaving away every day to masters that are invisible.

Why are Muslims, Christians and Jews always fighting each other? In blood or in words and wasted time?

How much time and money have each of us given up for mercury and those who poisoned us? How much has mercury taken from our lives? That's more than a full time job for most of us. Slavery exists today, only the masters "don't exist" because we can't put 2 and 2 together and organize ourselves. Instead most of us will go to church or pray more and more, feel better today at the expense of tomorrow, fight each other over concepts of mythology, forgive even the worst offenders that ruined our lives, and more in-fighting will continue among the innocent (ourselves) as we use political correctness to supress the idea that Christianity (organized religion) is a ruse. As designed.

I certainly believe that humans are "evil" and capable of any atrocity, I just don't place a surrogate entity on that evilness. Some humans are "evil", and deserve no distance of the "sin" they do to others. It surprises me that those who accept the "tinfoil hat conspiracies" follow religion as the end result of so many of these discussions. That is what organized religion was designed to do. To stop the commonfolk from rising and rushing the "man behind the curtain", and instead pray and forgive.... even for that man behind the curtain... as designed....

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Re: Worried about Russ #33325
03/29/08 11:04 PM
03/29/08 11:04 PM
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Hi Rick,

I doubt your post speaks for anybody of "genuine" faith. It doesn't include most of the people i've met who share the same belief. It makes some people feel a whole lot better about themselves and blaming it all on organised religion, rather than man's inhumanity to man and wrong use of free will and choice. In fact, my "religion" (if you want to call it that) has set me free, rather than put me in chains or a feeling of suppression or under control.

I wonder why you don't mention Christian organisations around the world who live like Christ and spend their lives helping the dying and the sick and the poor? Or the many genuine believers out there, that would likely put you and your "box-like" label judgements on here to shame.

Unless you know all there is to know about everything, the mysteries of the universe, the absolute origins to all life and exactly how it happened, when, where hows. I don't think you can confidentally speak for everybody and call Him a "mystical" being in the sky. But knock yourself out trying, many have before you and many will continue to do so.

Maybe you could consider that it's the evil of individuals inciting the masses to follow suit, rather than "religion" itself. Christ never preached this and in fact those that truly live as Christ did are doing wonderful things for their fellow man around the world daily as we sit on our computers here. The extremists and those that decide to "use" religion as a "front", are not representing true faith, they're just trying to manipulate the vulnerable and twist and turn anything to fit in with their own selfish evil ways. Those that follow suit are just as bad, some perhaps are naive, some maybe bordering on insane.

This has got nothing to do with God. Anybody who lives biblically are anything BUT devious or out to harm others. They're usually the ones taking care of the aftermarth though..
Again, your post does not speak for any genuine believers, it simply focusses and exaggerates the bad, whilst ignoring all the ongoing good that religions around the world do for their fellow man.

It's a clever way to start a flame war on here though, congratulations <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/twothumbsup.gif" alt="" />. Real classy thing to do on a toxic forum with no doubt many more people than me who have a faith also. You've pretty much offended everybody of a religious belief here. What next I wonder? Do you think you could keep your anti-religious sentiments to yourself and unleash them on a forum more appropriate for flame wars of this kind?




Re: Worried about Russ #33326
03/30/08 07:04 AM
03/30/08 07:04 AM
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Hi Rick.

I don’t believe we have been “intentionally” poison by mercury. I believe we are just caught in the cross-fire of life, caught in the cross-fire of our developing, inventive, creative & imaginative world. This is how our society has developed over the years, as a people, we are learning what the “miracle of science” brings….on the face of it…great rewards….but we are also discovering first hand the side effects, symptoms and problems it brings, that lurk underneath. Mercury is just but one of many many ills & toxins in our world that we are living with today. We are the lucky ones! We have discovered why we are sick and have a method to cure ourselves. Hundreds of millions never will……………..or will they? Time will tell I suppose, but there does seem to be a head of steam building up….we are just normal people…and WE have discovered the cause and WE are talking steps to help ourselves and correct our way of life……at some point it will break out into the open.
So no, I don’t see it as “no other logical conclusion than the fact that we were intentionally poisoned with mercury from amalgams and vaccines.”

I think your view on religion is …….. a bit extreme, inflammatory and….typical. Typical as in, raised voices, beating of drums, brave heros defending their beliefs at whatever the cost.…..but as a non-believer myself, I can see why you would say things like that. I myself spent the majority of my youth hating religion in the way you have expressed yourself here on this thread. Generally I don’t get involved in religious discussions. I see no point as it usually leads to much anger and hatred. There is zero chance of changing peoples “beliefs” either for or against God, by simply attacking, head-in, the ideas. Many people are insulted by your words, when you question their core beliefs you insult that person very deeply.

I believe that as a people, we will grow out of religion when we understand our world better. I don’t think that will happen very quickly. I don’t think we are even remotely close to “understanding our world.” We don’t understand enough and God/religion somehow fills some gaps.
The God idea fills some gaps although I have no idea why he is so selective? Why did he pass me by? I am no better, or worse the next the next man in the street. Maybe God is real? But I don’t/can’t understand him yet. I have learned a lot in the last 12 months and its not all black and white…there are a lot of strange things that modern western man can not explain, nor understand. I have seen first hand some really strange things this last 14 months …. none of which either side can explain.


"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident."

Sunshine
Re: Worried about Russ #33327
03/30/08 09:03 AM
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I agree with sunshine , that we are just caught up in our ever increasing technology without understanding the outcome, its kind of like when a child learns how to walk, all they know is that they must keep there legs moving all the time ,they have not yet figured out how to stand , stop or balance yet ,there mind has not thought that far in advance , our technology has surpasted our humanity we are just byproducts of it

Re: Worried about Russ #33328
03/30/08 01:13 PM
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Sunshine and Mikey I for one totally agree. I remain open minded about a lot of things, I find it difficult to believe we are being intentionally poisoned, but that technology, especially medication is not tested enough. However even with extensive testing each individual is different and therefore what suits one may not suit others. For instance there are plenty of elderly people walking around in perfect health with Amalgams. I guess that's the problem there are always going to be people who are more sensitive to things than others. To me it dosen't really matter where we originally came from, although it would be nice to think there is someone watching over us, but I think any disasters, wars, whatever can only be blamed on mankind, intentional or not. I also personally believe in all denominations or atheists there are people both good and bad. Obviously every one has a right to their own opinions about their personal beliefs, the freedom to believe in what they do, the most important thing that brings us on the forum together is that we all want to be well. Peace and best wishes to every one. Tracy x

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Re: Worried about Russ #33329
03/30/08 04:15 PM
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Glad i'm not alone in the way i see this.

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our technology has surpassed our humanity we are just by products of it

I would say; We do not know the full consequences of the technology we have invented yet. We are starting to see some the problems and in time we will change that technology to be non-toxic….but will take time…time we don’t have because we (us mercury toxic people) need those changes now….which ain’t gonna happen just yet, and hence all the hard work we have to put in just to get from one day to the next.


"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident."

Sunshine
Re: Worried about Russ #33330
03/30/08 05:16 PM
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we are intentially poisoned by mercury by the powers of this world, wether the mickey mouse dentists down the high street know what they are doing is another story.

Re: Worried about Russ #33331
03/30/08 05:31 PM
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we are intentially poisoned by mercury by the powers of this world, wether the mickey mouse dentists down the high street know what they are doing is another story.


The problem i have with this theory is that many conspiracy theorists seem to suggest the poisoning is some form of mind control.if this were true it would be very ineffective. Most people with amalgams are fine and not affected.

Is it done because greedy people want to earn more and/or just being covered up to maximise profits?

Maybe.

btw: i find some of the conspiracy theories make sense. Look at this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871

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Re: Worried about Russ #33332
03/31/08 03:26 AM
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I don't usually get in relgious debates, as I do not agree with "organized" religion, and that usually provokes some sort of attack. Besides, it's pretty pointless, because either you believe a certain way or you don't, and you're not going to change anyone else's mind, it's already made up.

I agree with what you've said, Sunshine. You said it VERY well! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Worried about Russ #33333
04/01/08 10:36 AM
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the dangers of amalgam is all over the net yet most dentists use the poison, if i were a dentist i would research it because i care. this is not a conspiracy i dont think on their part but at the begginning of the amalgam invention it was known of the dangers but they carried on using it because it would make us ill and the good thing is symptoms may not happen straight away so you wouldnt blame it on your dentist, its very clever stuff.


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