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I just got the results from a provoked Hg test. I took 10mg of DMSA every 45 minutes then
20mg for the last 2 doses. I took a total of 100mg over a four hour time span. I collected urine from 11:00am till 10:00pm. My usual dose is 6-8mg/3h Cutler protocol. I continued the round at 10mg every 3 hours.

The next day I had horrible physical and mental (panic attacs and crying most of the day) side effects. I was so sick I could barely fill out the paperwork. My husband had to package the urine, check the paper work and get it in the mail. I said to myself and my husband I have no doubt I have mercury posioning! The reaction to the chelator was extreme to my body.

Results of the test: Doctor's Data

metal result range


Aluminum 32ug/g < 35 green zone

Arsnic 13ug/g creatinine < 130 green

Cadmium 0.3 <2 green

Lead 2.9 <5

MERCURY <dl Less than detection limit!!! ZERO<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />

Nickel 2.9 <12 green

Ceatine level 29mg/dl 35-225 RED ZONE TO THE LEFT 2 SD LOW
This seems to me to be a significant finding.

I am one year post Total Dental Revision. Under anethesia 71/2 hour, 10 amalgams with high negative readings, multiple crowns replaced (7) no root canals and 4 cavitations cleaned out. This was done by a Huggins trained Dentist.

My Doctor's Data hair analysis at that time was 2.9 (almost in the red zone). A previous hair analysis done by the King James Lab reported 2.8 which was way off the chart to the right. Another Doctor's Data test done last November 07 was 0.46 (in the green zone)

One year ago saliva testing showed low cortisol in the afternoon and evening. Saliva testing done one month ago showed ERRATIC elevation at noon, afternoon and evening.

I just don't know what to think. I am still so sick, especially in the mornings. I hurt from head to toe, I feel so UNWELL,my heart beats hard, I sit in a daze for 2 hours waiting for pain meds to kick in. I have no sense of well being. I cry every morning because I feel so awful. I begin to feel a little better in the afternnoon and early evening. I do notice that my heart starts to beat hard again between 8 and 9 oclock at night. I have a good diet (candida) and take gobs of supplements. I just want to be well.<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />

What do you all think?

I sure appreciate everyone's efforts to post their stories.

Thanks, Patty

Hi Patty

It’s a ‘mare:(

I don’t know what yr test results mean, maybe someone over on Yahoo FDC will do. Maybe someone there will be able to understand how you feel so bad when u did the test……..yet the result comes up ZERO.

One thing I have learned is ……treat the person….not the lab results.

You had amalgams.
You have had tests in the past with high mercury score.
You have the symptoms of a mercury poisoned person.
You know you are mercury poisoned.

When you chelate with dmsa and you get a reaction….that confirms toxicity. Lab test reading zero….donno what it means…….but 100pct for sure when you chelate with dmsa and you get a reaction….that defo confirms toxicity.

Ditto testing with dmsa….you did the provoked test….and it made you real sick…….that confirms mercury toxicity. 100pct.

If you are mercury toxic……you gotta chelate to get better. That’s the only way to get better.

If I where you I would chelate by whatever method you think is correct. I think the Culter way is the only way…but some others don’t get too screwed up on other protocols…but then some do get screwed up, so not worth the risk IMHO.

I would also do as much supplement support as you can get yr head around.(which u seem to be doing anyway. What do you take?)

I would also do as many cleanses as possible. Kidney, bowel, parasite, liver…do ‘em all. One at a time. But do ‘em all. Then do ‘em again.

In fact, I do do ‘em all. cleanses, supplements & chelation. They help me.

It’s a ‘mare.

Get well soon. Hang in there. It will pass. Keep taking the supplements. Big time Vit C….right up to bowel tolerance. 3-4 times a day dosing with Vit c. my bowel tolerance is 14-15 grams per day. What is yours?

Hi Patty,

I do know that mercury is very difficult to test for and I remember after a DMPS challenge test, they found next to no mercury but guess what? the chelating agent itself had cause a landslide of symptoms from then on, so it obviously erupted the mercury outwards, but didn't really pull it into the urine where it would have been ideal, as that means it's COMING OUT, or at least coming out at a rate to where they can pick a level up on testing.

The fact you have reacted so violently to this test, may also be a strong indicator you have overdone chelation and possibly it's lead or mercury. Unless you have a problem with DMSA itself (which apparently is quite rare).

But if it's not the DMSA itself, this is pretty indicative you probably have a LOT of metal toxicity (whether lead or mercury). As DMSA seems only to chelate these two metals, in fact it's an even better chelator of lead than mercury apparently, but still good with mercury.

It also shows you probably have a lot of it where DMSA can get hold of it. I don't tend to react with DMSA anymore because I don't think there is much mercury in the areas where DMSA can reach (at least not significant enough perhaps). I am unsure. But you have reacted so strongly, that it sounds like you've probably unleashed quite a bit of it and repoisoned yourself. You can get backfire effects and wind up acutely poisoned after challenge tests or just mobilising more than your body can readily get rid of.

There also comes a time post amalgam removal where your body tries to dump the long years of storage of mercury. This can happen anytime apparently from 3 months onwards. Even a year and a half later is not unheard of (that happened to me). So it's quite on the cards, that your body still holds a lot of mercury in storage and you are possibly very poisoned by this and the fact you are showing little to no levels of those metals, could show retention toxicity and the fact you remain poisoned by them becuase you do not eliminate them readily.

Even healthy people show a level of mercury because we are usually exposed to it one way or the other, but they are readily eliminating it. Very sick people who are obviously poisoned by it, showing all signs of mercury but little to no levels, may be suffering retention toxicity which is very very bad and hard to treat. A doctor here who is an expert in mercury understands this after treating hundreds of patients and he thinks these types are the most poisoned of the lot. an audio tape I have is of a doctor's meeting with a guest speaker Dr Paula bickle who also explains to the doctors to watch out for the mercury toxic patients who show little to no levels, because this is a very difficult senario. Again, retention toxicity. IF it smells like a rose, looks like a rose, generally it is one and no to low levels are a bad sign if you have all the hallmarks, but are not showing anything coming out of you, or at least not enough to show up on testing.

I hope this might explain your situation more, but again I cannot be sure (who can?). 1 year post amalgam removal is often the worst time too. I was at my worst around 1 year to a year and a half post amalgam removal and had to try and get through each day. Chelation sped up the process, but didn't make it easy. Cutler's lessened the side effects somewhat, but never took them away. I always felt ill trying to eliminate this stuff and my body did a terrible job doing so. I held onto it like a magnet! You maybe similar to me, plus you are no doubt (like me) highly reactive to even small amounts of mercury, which indicates that even if you DO have a low level of mercury, you are likely poisoned easily by it. Low for someone else, maybe high for you. peoples' tolerances are different, immune status, everything comes into it. So whether it's "truly" low, or "falsely low" you are obviously poisoned.

Have you done any further chelation since the testing?

Sunshine,

Thanks so much for responding and reminding me "to treat the person...not the lab report". You reminded me of all the things I know to be true. I was just so shocked to see a Zero for mercury. I think the zero indicates an even worse situation as Bex talks about below, "Retention Toxicity". I am trying to learn more about this now.

I have done a parasite cleanse by Nature's Sunshine that knock me on my butt after 4 doses so had to stop. I waited a few weeks and tried again and all went well. Bowel cleansing I do on a regular basis with FibroFlx and psyllium and "Squeaky Clean" by the author of Adrenal Fatigue and the 21st Century. Does this seem simular to Hummaworm bowel cleanse. I have been doing castor oil packs 2 to 3 times a week.

I just had a blood draw today for a liver detox profile with genetic testing? Should be interesting.

Thanks for your support and suggestions. I am upping my Vit C as you suggested. I have done several Vit C Flushes with powdered Sodium Ascorbate 4grams every 20 minutes till diahrrea. It REALLY is a flush.

Sorry this is late. I could not log on to the site after I posted my message.

Happy Birthday.

Patty<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/byebye.gif" alt="" />

Hi Bex,

Thanks so much for your response. I have copied it so I can refer to it and show to family members. My husband just doesn't know what to think anymore and he is frustrated that nobody seems to be helping me feel better.

Thank you for the info on retention toxicity. I sure don't want it to be true but I think you are right. I started on the DMSA 6mg/3hr about 6 months ago and it seemed to help alot. But lately I just feel terrible all the time. Do you think I should try DMPS?

The Naturopaths that i am working with are thinking the liver detox pathways are not doing well. I had a blood draw for this today. I sure hope it tells me alot for my $399.00

Right now I am doing saunas everyday. I do have a far infra red sauna that Huggins approves of but Cutler does not. Do you know why Cutler doesn't approve of them. I have the one where your head sticks out. I like it, I sweat profusley at a lower temperature. I know those mercury feelings of shaking inside and sweating stinky sweat.....I get in the sauna and feel much better afterwards.

Thanks again for your imput.

Patty

PS. sorry this late I could not log in after I<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/runningthedog.gif" alt="" /> posted my message

Hi Patty, you're welcome <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Yeah, retention toxicity is very hard to correct. I think this is part of the way I am, whether born this way or whether the mercury toxicity was very early on in life and caused the imbalance in the first place. Which came first?

I think saunas are excellent, Andy recommends them. Not sure about infra red, but I do recall him not being so keen on that (why I don't know). Whatever works, go for it. The metals will come out via the pores (if you are sweating properly and can handle the heat). If you can't, it is pointless and may make you very sick. I used to sweat and do fine with heat, but after the virus I got and other possible infection, I stopped being able to and instead of helping, I got weak without a proper detox. It became pointless, so I stopped.

Rebounding on a mini trampoline (rebounder) is also good because it not only helps tone you, and gets circulation going, but it stimulates the lymph system as well and can help shunt toxins through. Walking is great also, I alternate both (within reason, only as I can do it). I try not to overdo it.

Like you, I have an imbalance in my liver detox pathways (which apparently is typical in mercury). My liver phase I is too fast, liver phase II is underactive. Which allows for build up of toxins, but not proper elimination of them. Also fast liver phase I apparently makes toxins even more toxic and having slow liver phase II, just allows them to remain there and cannot get rid of them properly. Bad senario.

The only things now that remotely help me, or at least "somewhat", is strict diet, plenty of proteins and animal fats and essential fatty acids, vegetables (low carb) and supportive supplements. I don't get healing anymore because I have infections, which seems to have brought me to a standstill, but I do what I can regardless. Many people with mercury must stay off sugar, wheat/gluten and yeast completely. These things seem to cause the most problems with many people. I don't go near them. If I do, I'm in big trouble. I did well off them in my mercury toxic days and was able to survive far better! I detoxed quite a bit out of me just from giving those things up and eating healthy foods at the sametime. Coffee caused problems with me too, so I gave that up. Apparently it has cadmium in it, plus it's high in caffeine and is stress for adrenals etc. This was essential for me to do, or I hate to think where I would be now. It made all the difference in those days. I got sicker first from giving them up from detox and reducing yeast levels, but at the end of a few weeks, it was well worth it. Cravings usually get worse at the start because the yeast is starving and requires sugar and other junk to survive. I was lucky then because I could still include some fruit in my diet (natural sugar), milk, and potatoes and non gluten grain. I did just fine. However, now that I suffer differently from viral infection etc, I now have to stick to a rigid diet and can only eat eggs, meat, vegetables (low carb), yoghurt (non sugar, acidophilus), raw nuts (brazil and almonds) and herbal tea pretty much. So it depends on your immunity and how serious the yeast is. If you are not doing this already? You should seriously consider treating yeast, because in mercury this is often a big issue and people often overlook it and do not realise how much misery yeast maybe cause alongside the mercury. Sometimes you can get a big surprise at how much better you feel from giving those things up. So consider yeast maybe a big part of your symptoms too!

It is really hard to heal from this and it's also hard to know exactly what to attribute your symptoms to, whether it's all mercury, OR yeast or both or whatever else the mercury has allowed to happen inside you. DMSA should start to pull some out. You can go onto DMPS, that's even better apparently (the oral kind and taking it every 6-8 hours is obviously preferable, than the DMSA every 3-4 hour routine, but you can only get it by prescription).

Sauna is very powerful it is equivalant to a day's chelation apparently (according to Cutler), but be careful not to overdo it.

Some people have had DMPS IV and done well on this, others have been devastated. So it depends too on the doctor and how well they know their stuff.

Andy Cutlers comments on sauna:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/message/129184

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/message/129178

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/message/132770

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/message/132886

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/message/133047

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/message/147549

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/message/156524

Parasite cleanses! Bowel cleanses! Castor oil packs! – I approve…..good work & congrats…..you seem to be in charge of your health…and that is a good thing, very good thing indeed. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" />

I only have experience with Humaworm herbs, so I don’t know about your products. Humaworm stuff has worked wonders for me, although some others don’t feel it. Maybe if you do any more parasite cleansing you could try it. whats important is tackling your health problems head on…who knows if one product is better than another. All I know is Humaworm greatly helped me.

It is important not to get sidetracked by doctors that don’t know anything about your root cause issue: which is mercury poisoning.

Thx for the Birthday wishes<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Take care<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/byebye.gif" alt="" />

My heavy metal urine test DID show up mercury.I am amazed and stunned because I did not do any kind of challenge test and took the test on a morning that I was feeling ok (one of my better few days)
I am glad in one way because now I have the results on paper to show all my family and friends who didnt believe it could be mercury.

I agree. I had a hair test and it was very high and in the red zone for mercury, so I too have a bit of paper that confirms I am mercury toxic. It’s important for me to “Know” that I’m on the right track.

Taking a chelator (dmsa) confirmed my toxicity too. I got symptoms which confirms it.