News you won't see in controlled mainstream media.

I have tried many health regaining activities in the last 15 months, most have worked out to be of benefit, some more than others, some that didn’t work out and hurt me. The vast majority have been beneficial. I know there is a lot of wrong/incorrect advice out there; just it’s hard to know what is the “wrong” advice and what is the “right” advice. So I read a lot, all different stuff & try and make my own mind up about what’s right and what’s wrong. There are conflicting ideas about almost ever subject I investigate.

One of the many things I have tried is taking supplements, to support my poor damaged body. Been about 6-8 months now, but 6 mouths of seriously aggressive supplementation has been in effect, as per Cutler recommendations. This has coincided with a fairly good, upwards turn in my health….thank you supplements.

But…..at the back of my mind…..I do think “Is this right? To take so many man-made supplements?”

Proper herbs from nature…..i have no problem. I have been looking for a way to replace some of my supplements for months and I have done so on a few….but I still take shed loads of supplements….it has been working….i am significantly better than I was….but I still have a way to go.

But…….. now its time to try a new experiment and stop the aggressive supplementation and see what happens. As of Sunday I stopped all my manmade supplements. I was talking 18 every day, many in high dosages, just one example: I was at 6-8 grams per day of Vit C.

I will continue taking the least man made stuff…i.e. herbs and real foods from nature.

Milk thistle, sage, thyme, ginger, cinnamon, cloves, kelp,
Loose leaf tea, drunk every day 1-2 cups
-Agrimony (allergies)
-Daminana(hormones)
-Liquorice
-Borage(adrenal)

ACE 750mg (Bovine adrenal cortex extract) – this is hardly natural or normal or not-man-made, but until I figure out another way to support, I will keep taking this one.

Himalayan crystal salt 1-2 tsp per day.

That’s it….all the other 18 supplements have been stopped. I am going cold turkey! LOL

I will report back how things go…….

I will either:

A) Start feeling progressively worse and worse now that I have stopped all that vital support.

B) Feel no difference

C) Start feeling progressively better and better now that I have stopped pumping my body full of man-made gunk that was clogging me up to the gills and stopping me healing.

With my hand on my heart, I have no idea what’s gonna happen.

Note: I will not Chelate now, but I will start a parasite cleanse this week.

Another note: my diet is clean as a whistle, so in theory i should get all i need from my food.

So far, I feel fine….<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/gunshot.gif" alt="" />

I'd keep basic minerals on the list sunshine... calcium, magnesium, zinc, selenium. You do need extra to replace toxic areas in your body. It actually takes about seven years for your body to regenerate/rebuild tissue etc (die off/replacement). If you don't have extra of those good minerals mercury and lead and cadmium will take their place.

and a little extra vitamin c, 300 -1000 mgs per day is adequate. and cod liver oil.

how is the garden going?

sunshine

I am reading a book at the moment called Timeless Secrets of Rejuvination by Andreas Moritz.

http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/WEBSITE/WWW/WEBPAGES/showbook.php?id=097927575X

He is very much against supplements, says they clog up the system, and is all for cleansing especially the liver , eating according to the Ayurvedic body type and working on your spiritual side especially in accepting illness for what it can teach us about ourselves instead of being in a 'fighting mode' against it. or in fact against anything, peace with ourselves being the aim. I am very impressed so far and can see a lot of sense in it. I am up to the bit where he says that we should not surpress symptoms as they are the bodies way of healing itself. For example when we have a cold we should not lower the temperature as it will 'drive' the illness deeper into the tissues. I do agree with a lot of this having studied macrobiotics for a while. He is very scathing of medical science and so called medical trials. I am really enjoying this book. He even teaches you how to do Kinesiology on yourself. iIf it had been me I would have weaned off the supplements to give your body time to adjust especially vit C as you can get scurvy going off it in one go. But i wish you well.:)

It may be your body telling you to come off the supplements or maybe just some of them. Muscle testing would confirm it for you.

I've read that in the past too, about weaning off megadoses of Vitamin C. You body can go into shock a bit or something if you suddenly drop it in the midst of megadosing.

That is probaly good advice for anything you've been megadosing. wean slowly, take a couple weeks to lower doses.

gets expensive all those supplements... my grandmother never took vitamins and she made it to the ripe old age of 88. she made lots of apple pie. of course she had all her teeth pulled at age 50 or so too.

It often feels unnatural to me too,to be popping all those supplements,and every so often I skip a day of supps and my body seems to be glad of the break.
I wonder wonder wonder about it too.
But still desperate to try things to get healthy...
also when you read about soil mineral levels being so low or even deficient in minerals to start with it makes sense that we are all deficient in these because of our food supply,even organic,even bio dynamic foods.

But like everything else it seems the guys doing these studies are also promoting/selling the supplements eh?
A couple of years ago I did a really intensive nutritional therapy for around 2 years I was taking between 40-60 supplements/tablets a day!
Now I think this was completely insane,
now I take:(maybe this still sounds like alot but not to me because I took so many before!)

1 multi vit&mineral,
1 CoQ10,
1 fish oil,
1 B complex,
2 magnesium
And one bioacidophillus forte

and various amounts of ascorbic acid.
I have a book called "glyconutrients" just a short book by Steve Nugent (author of "How to survive on a toxic planet"-
I have not read this yet but figure we could all do with a manual like that!)
anyhow in it one of the examples he gives of the soil depletion of nutrients,is that
a person (nowadays)would have to consume 53 peaches to get the same vitamin C as was found in ONE peach back in 1951!!!

I have heard about gradually reducing the Vit C levels but…… Na, I’m gonna go cold turkey….i want to feel the difference…none of this weaning off slowly….i want to see how I react., to know if I have been poisoning myself or not.


I am dehydrated a little, and I have had a very minor digestive issues. ACV is sorting that out PDQ. But overall I am same same.

I am having juiced veg every day which is megadosing Vit’s anyway.

Its been two days and if you asked me now….i’d say there has been zero change from the norm…I always got something wrong anyway.

Sunflower: I will happily be your crash test dummy….LOL….i will let you all know what happens <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Timeless Secrets of Rejuvination by Andreas Moritz.

A wonderful book. In my top 5 health books, a real gem. I have recommended it on herballure a couple of times now.
I am glad you are reading it, when u finish you will know a lot more about how and why your body works like it does and what it needs to work properly. I am currently reading it again for the second time. I’m on page 214, I love it and I am learning a lot from re-reading it.

It’s one book I think everyone will benefit from reading.

I can muscle test, it is a useful tool, but you must remember it is a tool and is in no way fool proof….but I think it is a good tool to have handy. From my experience I only muscle test by taste. Not sure if thinking and testing is a valid method??? But you do get results by thought alone too.
All my supplements have been muscled tested on me. I react positively to 85pct of them. Was last tested 3 months ago.

I muscle tested myself for yogurt two weeks ago. I came up real weak as usual, which means my body was rejecting it. Yesterday I tried again and it was fine and showed no reaction. I tested regular milk and that was fine too. And chesse fine too. And raw milk that was fine too…..all very strange nd mysterious. I have been tested for this allergy repeatedly, like 20 times, and I am always seriously weak and eating dairy always gave me the most horrific symptoms and reactions…..….except for now. So….I assume my milk allergy is gone???? Maybe? I will test every day for a week, see how it goes. I will not chance eating any yet. Certainly not with this supplement free test going on.
I plucked up the courage and had a colonic last week, so I think that caused this change. I will not know for sure until I pluck up the courage and actually eat some dairy……I gotta challenge myself with sulphur foods again at some point too.

I’m taking a few risks now, trying new things again…that alone shows I must be getting better.

I can say that vitc, milk thistle, magnesium, b12 are the only supplements i couldnt do without, especially magnesium. i ran out and didnt take any for 4 days and i could tell the difference, all my muscles hurt, when i started taking it again, symptoms went away, i take a high dose 800mg daily.
powdered vitc every few hrs has kept colds away,i had a cold every month before i discovered it, so no way could i give it up.
Milk thistle has stopped the pains in my liver, brilliant stuff!

It will be interesting to see how you get on.

I would be interested to hear what the other best health books are. If they are anything like the Moritz one they must be good. There is so much in it. It has given me more hope for healing. I was getting too bound up in chasing every hormone thinking I had to become a doctor and forgetting about the natural wisdom we all have in us for healing especially women I have to say, not that men can't get in touch with their intuition but it is easier for women i think. I think it is a good sign that you are trying new things. Good luck!

I hate taking all these supplements, too. I don't know if it's the correct course of action, but some of them I only alternate days with. Been trying to find out the source of my good and bad days, and still don't see any pattern. I do religiously take my milk thistle and vitamin C everyday, they are the only ones I do not alternate.

Dawn, what kind of magnesium do you take? I have seen about 4 different kinds, and I've heard some are better than others. What is the dosage you take of it? I take magnesium, but I've never noticed a difference. Maybe I am not taking the right kind or dosage.

Its an experiment…we will see how it goes…I’m very interested to know what happens to me now I stopped taking the supps. As I said, so far…..all normal and calm.

oh so true Mati. So very very true….yeah that book is very inspirational…I just wanted to go eat fresh foods when I read it, makes me enjoy my food even more when I read what each food is good for. I just read the bit about green tea…makes me want to drink it every day. I usually have a camomile at work in the morning…think I will change to green tea. So many new ways to think too….

If u want some recommendations of that calibre…..

“Water & salt, The essence of Life” by Hendal and Ferreira

“Water & salt, your healers from within” by Dr F Batmanghelidj

These books are much more focused, on water and salt…but changed the way I think, drink, supplement and understand my body. Profoundly good books. Life changers. Both worth reading.

hi lisa, solgar magnesium citrate, 800mg, 2 in the morning 2 at night.
Dawn.

Hi everybody
I have been thinking the same thing about the supplements and taking so many. I have been trying the super food from Dr Schulze and seems to be really good. It is made from wild harvested and organic foods and herbs.Seems to give me a pretty good boost. I started it 4 days ago and I also have dropped alot of my supplements just to see if I am benefitting from this stuff and so far so good. The taste is a different story...is gona take some getting used to. If you want to take a look here is a link:http://www.herbdoc.com/p14.asp

Yeah, I’m looking to replace my supports with real foods, supper foods and whatnot…I have not started looking properly yet. I have a cupboard full of the other stuff still.

Today is day 3 of no supplements and I feel normal. A little bit of heartburn this morning, but its gone now….

Hi Sunshine,
I've been taking supplements for 10 months and during that time have gone a couple of weeks here and there without supplements and I've felt zero difference. The only thing that makes a noticible difference is fish oil - my skin feels softer when I take that, and the obvious niacin flush. Apart from that i've not noticed a difference whether taking or not taking supplements. I suppose that doesn't mean that they are not doing anything. I intend to continue taking them for now as i have high copper that needs to lowered. Interested to hear how you do.

What is the niacin flush?

Hi Sunshine, I am new this forum and have been following your posts for the past few weeks. Nice to meet you! I just wanted to let you know I have learned a lot from you already because many of the ailments I suffer from are very similar to what you have described about yourself. I had 9 teeth filled with huge amalgam fillings since about age 12, over 21 years of exposure to and inhaling that toxic mercury they were leaking! I got really sick about 6 months ago and started researching and stumbled across mercury poisoning from amalgam fillings. I was stunned to find out what I had been so oblivious too for so long. I had the flu and pneumonia shots in October 2007 and had a reaction 1 week after doing so. I still hadn't thought that it may have been a reaction to that until I started researching further. I started having very bad light-headedness, brain fog, constipation, numbness and tingling throughout my entire body, ringing in my ears, severe back and shoulder pain, tearing eyes, congestion, heart palpitations, episodes of nearly passing out, metallic taste in my mouth, weight loss, and impending feelings of doom. All of the symptoms hit me like a ton of bricks and I had no idea what was going on with me. I started to seek a biological dentist and in doing so I stumbled across an office here in my home town that shared an office with a doctor of integrative medicine. I began having my filling replaced in December of 2007. I had them removed in 4 separate visits, and with 3 weeks in between each visit. I was very sick in between each one but I was also seeing the integrative medicine doctor who diagnosed me with mercury toxicity, candida, parasites and adrenal fatigue. I had several liver flush IV's and each dental visit I had Vitamin C IV's and responded well to the treatment. I immediately started taking an all natural Heavy Metal Detox supplement called Oral Chelation II/Ageless II by Extreme Health USA while my amalgams were still in. It made me feel a little better right away. Then after my amalgams were removed 2 months ago, I added Modiflan, Algin, and Vitamin C supplements as well. I have just been prescribed Cortef but am afraid to start taking it. They suggested 5 mg in AM and 5 mg @ noon. I am terrified to try it because of the conflicting information I read about it. I have opted to wait for the DMSA as my integrative doctor and I agreed that I am too sensitive right now and I have a reaction to everything I take, so the go slow approach is working for me. I can't wait until I can slow down on taking some of the supplements but for now, I am taking things very slowly. Anyway sorry for going on and on. I just wanted to say hello and I appreciate this forum very much! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/byebye.gif" alt="" />

Hi Angelbaby. Welcome to the forum. Thanks for taking the time and trouble to say hello and explain a little of what u’ve been struggling with. It is an utter nightmare and I wish you well on you quest to regain your health. Your story is familiar to most of us and I see it’s pretty similar to mine too. There is so much conflicting info out there…every-which-way you turn is very difficult to know what is the right option??? But when u are so sick, it’s real important to learn as much as possible, gather as much info as possible. You are lucky to have an integrative doctor to help you, but don’t rely too much on him…..the more effort you put into understanding whats going on, the quicker you can take actions that will help.

I am actually getting better now(touch wood), 5.5 months amalgam free. I get good days and bad days, but more good than bad now, which is nice. It is very much a battle.

Top tip for you: try not to get sucked into one thing, one protocol or one idea. The mercury goes everywhere, compromises every organ, everything needs understanding, supporting and helping. To get locked into one area only is a mistake. Figure out what is most important to learn and do it….focus on that thing until you understand it and know what to do…..and do it…..then…..move on to the next thing to investigate. The list is endless and takes a long time, so one thing at a time.

These mercury protocol are good, you need to figure out what you are happy with doing, but there are so so so so so so many other things to do that will drastically change your life for the better. I am healing because I have done so many different things to help myself and not just because of the chelating I have done. I feel the chelating accounts for about 15pct of my healing so far.

Bowel cleansing is prolly the number one best thing you should investigate. At first, its like……yuck yuck yuck NO…….but the change in my health from talking a few herbs to cleanout my insides has been dramatic in the extreme and is one of the biggest reasons I am getting better.

If u have any questions fire away, PM’s are fine anytime too<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Good luck <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/byebye.gif" alt="" /><img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/byebye.gif" alt="" /><img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/byebye.gif" alt="" /><img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/byebye.gif" alt="" />

Thanks for the support and advice Sunshine. I totally agree with what you said. "It is an utter nightmare!" dealing with all the issues and ailments that come alone with mercury toxicity. It is great to know that this forum is here to communicate and learn from other individuals like yourself who have been through or are going through the exact same things you are. It's certainly been reassuring for me to know I am not alone in this fight. I learned quickly that "there is so much conflicting info out there!" I learned to listen to my body and definitely not take any dr.'s advice too seriously whether they were into integrative medicine or not. I learned by trial and error. I've tried many supplements and different things to help my situation and some work some don't. I learned that what works for one may not be the right thing for me. I just keep reading and researching and take things day by day. You're so right, "when u are so sick, it’s real important to learn as much as possible, gather as much info as possible."

I am so glad you are feeling better. It gives me hope to be able to say that some time soon as well. I keep hearing about the 6 month post amalgam dump and I am trying to do my best to prepare myself for what may come. I felt miserable for a whole month after my amalgam removal and literally thought I was dying. I am feeling a littler better every day and hope to continue regaining my health and my life back. I too have good days and bad days but am hopeful there is a light at the end of this very dark and narrow tunnel. I am very open minded and willing to try something if I feel it could help me but I am wise enough to know that there is no magic pill or technique that will cure me instantly. This illness has certainly taught me patience and to use the step by step approach. Although they feel like baby steps right now at least I feel I am moving int he right direction. I am just so toxic right now that I am super sensitive to many things, but I can tell I am getting better slowly. I definitely feel better after bowel cleaning and the parasite cleanse I did about 2 months ago. I was severely constipated and once I began having regular bowel movements I could tell the difference immediately. Thanks for sharing I surely appreciate it! I am hanging in there and taking things one day at a time. :felix

Angelbaby: Good that you have taken the responsibility for your health back into your own hands. Now that you have done that, its just a matter of time before you are ship shape again. Will take “some” time….but that’s better than not getting well, which seems to be what happens when healthcare is dedicated to third parties. Congrats

“I learned to listen to my body” – that is a very good skill. Your body is constantly telling you whats wrong….just we have not been educated to understand what its saying. The more you learn, the more you can understand what the signals mean.

If I can start healing, so can everyone….i am no more or less mercury poisoned that anyone else. Last year was an utter nightmare and I never want to go back there again. I’m 2 weeks away from the dreaded 6 months dump….not a happy thought.

If u feel better after bowel and parasite cleansing I suggest to do it some more. I have done 90 days of bowel cleaning over the last 7-8 months and I still got toxic gunk coming outta me. Death starts in the colon and the battle against the bugs is a gonna be a constant battle until the mercury is all chelated out.

Talking of good days and bad days………………

I’m having a bad day! :-(

Its been 5 days since I dropped the supplements. I have not done any other cleansing so I can feel the effects of this experiment….well I am feeling some effects now.

My adrenals are shot! I’m freezing cold again. My temps down. My basel temp upon waking today was a real low 96.5 (35.8). Not good news.

I smell. My armpits smell. This is new ‘cause I was normal last week. I think this is actually a good sign. It’s a sign that my body is excreting toxins.

No heartburn today. I am having a finger of ACV in the mornings as a precaution. That’s working…good.
I am not dehydrated anymore either, I was very slightly earlier in the week.

Feeling cold is not good news. Not sure what to think yet….

1) is it because my body is equalising or stabilising or something…?

or

2) because I stopped most of the adrenal support…I’m feeling the effects of that lack of support...?

I suspect the latter, but will see what I feel like tomorrow.

I have been reading about reducing the vit c slowly….so I took 1 gram this morning because I felt rough as funk.

I also upped my ACE dose to 1000mg and been drinking lots of fresh veg juice.

It’s a battle!

I am definitely planning to continue the bowel cleansing. It has made a huge difference and I am a firm believer now that "death really does start in the colon!" I'm sorry to hear you are having a bad day. I can certainly relate, I am always prepared for the worst because I never know how my day will turn out. I remember when I was very toxic, I use to sweat profusely and for a woman that is very embarrassing! But it did have a sulfur type odor. I believe it was the mercury toxins. Maybe you are experiencing both the adrenal fatigue and the 6 month mercury dump a little early? Just a thought? Hot baths with epsom salt, or clay baths, and dry brushing help me immensely. That's what I plan for my evening. I've had an ok day today, but I notice when I sleep well I do feel much better, maybe the bath will relax me so I can get a good nights sleep it's been a long day for me and I'm so ready for it. Hope you are feeling better already. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

You need iodine. Potassium iodide or kelp. You really must supplement iodine, your body has absolutely no way of getting enough unless you eat fish almost every day which is not recommended in these days of highly toxic waters.

just an inconvenient truth for ya there. a real one this time. the beaches are made of plastic now too. stay away.

Iack of iodine caused huge issues in me and I never even recognised it. I gave up iodised salt and opted for healthy rock salt. The loss of iodine from that, caused over time, a sense of not being able to function. I considered it was just part and parcel of my usual sickness, which is why being ill permanently is such a bad thing because if something DOES happen, you often don't recognise it for what it is.

So, though I knew things felt worse than normal, I considered it was just the sickness. I had no idea the loss of iodine was causing so much damage. Even my hair went very dry due to the loss of iodine.

I take supplements now, and my supplement powder has potassium iodide in it. It started to help me and though I'm still ill of course, I can tell the difference from having increased iodine.

Problem is, here in new zealand we do not have enough iodine or selenium in our foods/soil. It is very very bad and they even removed iodine from bread. Now it's becoming an epidemic again and they're adding iodine back into bread. So I was obviously not the only one suffering from lack of iodine!

It's not fun to suffer with this and they say you get goiter from it (swelling in the throat area)...I never had that, so it was not recognised what was wrong!

It is very sad that seafood is so contaminated now. I don't even think I can handle salmon from alaska, even though it's supposedly the safer option.....

This morning my basel temp was 97.5 (36.4) which is highest it has ever been… and 1 deg higher than yesterday. Today is a good day and I’m feeling GREAT. As I said I get good days and bad.

Glad I did not rush back and restart taking the supplements…..its an experiment and I need to see what does what without interfering too much. Having a rough day is fairly standard and I can manage as long as its not too bad.

I am still taking kelp. 6 caps per day. I didn’t stop that because its not man made.

The wildly rising and falling temps means adrenal fatigue, low temps is thyroid. Both need supporting at the same time which I am doing. The increase in ACE dose I hope is helping. I upped the dose from 750 to 1000mg this yesterday. It has taken 4 months of gradually building up the ACE dose to get here….4 months…started at 25mg…..takes dedication all this healing.

Once is stabilise I will either have another chelation round or start the next 1 month parasite + bowel cleanse..not sure what I’m gonna do first.

OK…6 days in of no supplements and whats happened?

1) Digestion is very slightly sluggish.
2) Adrenals are in trouble and are defo struggling and are in need of support. My temps are much lower and much more varied. My temp graph is much more jagged than it was before.

Considering all the supplements I take, I am pleasantly surprised that this is all that’s happened. It’s a good sign that so few things went wrong after dropping them all. I knew the adrenals where a problem, the ACE was the only supplement I continued with. All the other supports for the adrenals obviously are benefiting me and I been struggling without them.

My constant tingling and tinnitus remain unchanged throughout.

Digestion was only minor stuff, but the adrenals was more serious and not something I can live with. Was a good experiment but adrenals need support and this does effect my daily life.

Anything else I noriced? I did feel “lighter”, I sometimes get sleepy/heavy after eating and that completely disappeared during this experiment. It’s obvious that I have benefited in some ways from not taking the supplements, but the adrenal support is too important so I will restart the supplements today.

I am a bit disappointed that I have to restart them….. but that’s cool, that’s what experiments are for. It’s good to know, like really know that the supplements are important for me and doing something and keeping me up and running. If it wasn’t for the adrenal problems, with the greatly changing temps, I would say I could live without the supplements.

Note: I would not even have attempted this if my diet wasn’t tip-top, but diet alone cannot support my mercury loaded body in the way that is needed.

To me, this adrenal fatigue is not gonna go until I chelate the merc out. The supplements are just support, so that means chelating with ALA is what I will need to do, which I have not even started yet. I still can’t increase my low dmsa dose yet and I still get problems when I change things on chelation rounds….so yeah, its gonna take time….which I knew anyway, but it’s good to know I’m on the right track.

Iodine (including kelp) lowers my body temperature. Its something to think about. You do need iodine most likely but sometimes you still have to take a break because it does displace toxic stuff like mercury, fluoride, etc...

If I take a good amount of iodine I'll wake up in the middle of the night like I normally do but just have such a hard time getting back to sleep cause my body won't be able to warm up.

I probably get around 100-200% daily value without ill effects, but more will most certainly make me fell wierd.

The adrenals may be connected to the megadoses of vit C you were taking. Those levels are unheard of in nature, and vitamin C is always coupled with some level of bioflavanoids naturally. I think your adrenals are just shocked from the big changed and I wouldn't start megadosing again.

I knew a person who had a very good chinese doctor, and she didn't normally take megadoses of vitC but she felt a cold coming on and megadosed like 4g a day before her appointment. When she got to the chinese doctor he asked her quickly if she took any vitamin C because he noticed a strong kidney imbalance and lectured her very long about why she shouldn't do that.

I like Now Foods Tru-C biocomplex. It has amla extract which was shown to be absorbed 16x better than ascorbic acid and it also has extra bioflavinoids extracted from food sources.

Its a rough ride but hang in there sunshine!

Hey Sunshine,
I finished the whole cleanse, it went really well and I also stopped all of my supplements while doing this so I could see how much the superfood would do. Well the super food is great and I have dropped 7 of my regular supplements. Problems I have noticed yesterday and today is muscle fatigue and my eyesight is blurry(colors are bright) and brain fog. I am also dropping everthing and off balance(bumping into walls again)not good. So we muscle tested everything and I came up strong on all my stuff for adreanal and thyroid as well as all my hormone support and magnesium. So I too am disappointed in the outcome but hey I dropped 7 of them and my body seems to like the superfood gives me loads of energy. My temp is down again too all week and I get cold again really easy. Might be because all the cleansing this week, if it is it will settle down in a few days. I hit it hard this week I did all the therapies and excercised a lot hoping to move alot of toxins out. I think I did a pretty good job my energy level is great but I get tired easy in my muscles. Anyways I started all the supplements back that I needed. Sad I was hoping to drop all of this stuff. Oh well another day eh.
Rachel

I have not restarted the vit C. I don’t think I will megadose vit c again. my diet is real good and that should suffice. Time will tell.

Hi skies, Oh we are on parallel paths! Congrats on finishing the cleanse! Every cleanse I do, I get a little better….seems you have discovered the same thing! Happy dayz!

I only get brain fog when I mess with the mercury and have a problem during a round. I usually get more colors coming back after a chelation round. Maybe u got this because of the chlorella in the super food?

Sounds like mercury recirculation skies... eat salads with raw chopped garlic, drink apple juice w/water 50/50, take some kelp or algin of you have any, try to do 2-3 high enemas this week, every other day is best when fighting poisons. A real pain and time consuming but gets right rid of it.

If you have chlorella, do a couple bagfulls to just clear out, then do one bagful with a tablespoon or so of chlorella in there, empty, wait about 10 minutes and then rinse with a couple more bags full of clear water. That works wonders. from my experience, the chlorella is much better in enemas than taken orally.

Do you have the instructions for the high enema? It's on this page:

http://tuberose.com/Colon_Health.html

the enema with chlorella 2-3 times in one week will clear your head real well, should take care of the rest too. don't let the chlorella sut in there too long before rinsing, it really pulls a lot of metals out down there, do one every few days if you can for a week instead.

Hi Ya'll
I believe you guys are right. I started taking my magnesium and L-glutamine yesterday hoping it was because I had not been taking it and this morning no change. Worse on the eye sight and am very forgetful and still bumping into walls and dropping crap. Agggg I am so pissed, I did so well all week and now I am back to this. I also muscle tested the superfood today and am very weak to it. All my other supps that I quit I am very strong to again huh go figure. Well that is why I hate trying new things with this mercury, oh well ya live and ya learn.
hey Sos
I have my algin out and am going to start it today and all my old supps I am going back to. how much betonite clay and chlorella do I put in the bag? I will have to get it tomorrow but I can handle this until then. My brain is just fried can't think straight and having panic attacks and hypoglycemic attacks too. And this morning the hot water in the shower made me feel like crap. I guess you wanted to know all that huh? I am so mad and just griping(my temper is not real good today either) I sure thought I had found me something new and better and a chance to cut back on some pills. No such luck oh well back to the drawing board. Soory for griping huh I can't even type I am back to the hunt and peck system LOL Thanks for everything guys I sure do appreciate it. Ya know if you guys had not said that about redistrbution I would have been in this zombie like state for weeks. Thank You so much...I could not live without you guys or this forum.
Rachel

Oh Skies………what a ‘mare. Hang on…….It will pass. It always does……just need to ride the wave out.

Its prolly the chlorella doing that…..i don’t know about enema’s and chlorella but I would think twice about doing that after the problem it just caused by taking it orally. Sos is the 100pct the expert on this though as I have no experience with chlorella enema’s. I would not take that considering it just caused your troubles, but Sos is the expert.

Since you are “Worse on the eye sight and am very forgetful and still bumping into walls and dropping crap” and “My brain is just fried can't think straight and having panic attacks and hypoglycemic attacks too” I would defo chill on the chlorella until you can think straight. Regular enema’s for now. keep it simple.

You are right to get back on the supplements asap…top stuff. big doses of Vit C help, pref split up during the day.

Rest up, take it easy. Have you ever done any Epsom salt baths....they do help in times of crisis, oil pulling for 3 x 20 mins…..worth a try. Dry skin brushing. All will help to some degree.

1 teaspoon of bicarb soda in a glass of water….sip slowly over 30 mins…may help the brain fog…..do NOT glug it down…..sip over 30 mins. (this is emergency only, not for regular use.)

I would stop any cleanses or anything else like that you are doing until you are out the otherside……….

Good luck and God speed

This sounds exactly like the experience I had over the winter, a few months ago, when I dumped a lot of toxins via my last liver flush and I got quite constipated about 2-3 days after/ It was my 5th liver flush and I never experienced a dump like that previously from the liver flushes but I guess it was time... and my eyesight took a dip for the worse too. I actually was dropping stuff too.

Which is all exactly why I started doing the high enemas, I was doing them every other day the first week, even did a couple days in a row there, then every few days, now i am at just once a week, think I'll maintain that schedule for quite a while. It took a good few weeks to feel better, and by now, my eyesight is back to normal too.

The chlorella via the enema is much different, much better, no fogginess at all, ever, quite the opposite. I doubt I will ever use it orally again, I always get a slightly foggy head from eating it. When I was first sick I think the chlorella was good but after my head started clearing up I noticed the chlorella would fog me up again, so I stopped eating it. Via the enema, no foggy head just a great sense of relief, it works wonders from that direction.

It took a couple weeks of colon cleansing to really feel better, the high enemas really do the trick within just a few days... It took a couple months, well actually however long from then till now i just noticed the other day that my eyesight semed back to where it was prior to that dump. The liver flush dumps a lot of crap into your colon. Stick with the enemas and you will feel better within a week, much better in a few weeks and much much better after that because all those toxins that are now recirculating were probbaly clogging up your liver previously. Just takes some time to really get rid of. The high enema #1 on my list for the cleanup.

I also use bentionite clay in the enema as i mentioned previoosly. But chlorella is better for heavy metal relief. The bentonite clay has a great healing effect, loosens up and gets rid of some very strange looking things.

You might want to eat some cilantro too, it will keep the mercury from settling in your head or elsewhere.

Defintely stay with the enemas and definitely use chlorella in there if you have some, do not be afraid to use it that way, you will be real happy (REAL HAPPY) with that after you try it the first time. Read that Tuberose page real well, follow the high enema directions best you are able.

Use the chlorella and the clay separately, use chlorella first after doing a bag or two of clear water, be sure to rinse with a bag or two of clear water after too. I put about 1 tablespoon of chlorella into a small cup of the (cooled) boiled water, mix and then dump into the already filled enema bag. same with the clay.

If you are gping to a health food store for some powdered chlorella, pick up a small bottle of some colon cleanse herbs too, anything herbal, to help loosen stuff and get your bm's going real good. Basically, what was clogging your liver is now clogging your colon. Those metals get in there and paralyze your colon, things don't work right but you'll get it out of there.

been there too many times. this works, just keep at it. You'll be ok in a week or two believe it or not and much better than before.

so glad my garden is getting in I cannot wait for the basil. did more today i am pooped. I have a couple more teeth I really have to get fixed.

Hi Ya'll
Hey I am a little better today is still early but seems like brain fog has lifted a bit and typing is easier today. All in all I am feeling pretty darn good...eye sight still a little screwy but much better today. Thanks so much for everything especially letting me gripe, I was so frustrated but now I am glad I did that flush but I won't be messing with chlorella that way ANYMORE. I am off to the health food store to get the betonite clay and run some errands will talk later. Just wanted to say thanks and the algin is great.
Rachel

Stick with the enemas and you'll be fine in a week, really. My eyesight took a while to normalize though... I actually didn't even realize I had gotten a bit blurry till last month but all is better. I haven't checked to see how much better, I wear contacts and I have a few different prescriptions not sure exactly which ones I am wearing heh. maybe I can take a few minutes to figure that out later.

The chlorella really is wonderful in the enema, not for eating though, not me anymore anyway. The bentonite clay in the enemas kills parasites too, kills yeasts in your colon, all sorts of stuff, you'll appreciate that.

I guess with me I would, probably should, do 2 per week but finding the time is hard, boil the water, get all set up, do the chore, cleanup, shower, takes a good few hours so i can really only get to it once a week and am forcing myself at that rate but there's no denying how much it has helped me so somehow or another I do get to it once a week when no one is looking.

Thanks for the advice SoSick. I am going to try the Chorella enema and I hope I will have positive results as well. I guess I will have to wait an see, but I will update on my results. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/pacing.gif" alt="" />

Sounds like a plan! Looking forward to your hearing about your experience with it.

"But…..at the back of my mind…..I do think “Is this right? To take so many man-made supplements”

I have to admit to being horrified by the responses to this e-mail.

If you look at Vitamin C from plants and vitamin C from a manmade source, they are exactly the same, there is no difference at all. The only question is how to get your body to absorb as much as possible. Personally I find IV Vit C to be the best. If anyone here has had vit C 20g (plus other nutrients) in there arm and not had any beneficial reaction, then I would question whether they have Hg poisoning. I could go on about the drug like affects if Vit C, but antioxidants in general are essential for the Hg poisoned. You are receiving tremendous cellular damage and the only way you have to combat it is taking as many vits a possible.

In general, Hg affects your ability to absorb the nutrients from the foods you eat. You can eat the best, Organic, fresh food available, BUT, if you're not absorbing those nutrients then you need to massively supplement. Remember this too, I only know of 1 person that ever died of vitamin supplements, and to be quite frank, he was an idiot. Compared with the estimated 200,000 people who die each year in the US from doctor prescribed meds, you've got nothing to worry about (unless you're a complete idiot). there are very effective vits, minerals and herbs for many conditions or that will help ameliorate symptoms of Hg poisoning. I can't stress more how important it is to take the supplements (some more than others). I take a ton of vits each day, but only those I have found work for me. I also think this is why people think I'm 15 years younger than I actually am (could have been the hg?),

Your only way to limit the damage while you're getting the Hg out is to supplement.

Taking Glutathione (the bodies master antioxidant) is, in my opinion, essential too, though it's a bit expensive. It chelates hg as a further benefit.

I have to agree with 40 yrs here, the oxidative damage from mercury is pretty horrendous to say the least (that includes the necessity of increasing essential fatty acids as well, which mercury depletes). Aside from mercury, we are living in an environment that is also depleting us everyday and we are not getting enough from fruits and vegetables (picked early, sprayed etc).

I remember when I was mercury toxic and I wasn't really on supplements I must admit. I was pretty much staying the same daily. I was just poisoned, but not really getting anywhere. A good doctor prescribed me just 2 items from a reputable lab. Vitamin C powder (with all the bioflavonoids) and selenium (I added natural vitamin E later myself which also helped). At any rate, just the vitamin C and selenium alone caused such a reaction of detox, that at first I was alarmed. I had to back off and reduce the dose.

My body was obviously needing this so much, and it must have increased the antioxidant powers considerably (raising glutathione) because the detox reactions were marked. Just from these alone (at that time), I was already able to increase some of the metals coming out of me (the more accessible ones) and improve my overall condition. Diet was important too of course.

I added vitamin E later as I said, which also made a difference and I pretty much used these three antioxidants and was helped tremendously by them at that time. They were part of me healing from metal toxicity. Though they may not directly "chelate", they indirectly did by increasing my body's antioxidant powers. I also added hot baths to this with epsom salts or baking soda and sea salt to help sweat some metals out. I then later added walking/rebounding (as I could tolerate it) which also increased metal elimination via the pores and improved circulation etc.

To chelate the metals more thoroughly, I wound up using DMSA (cutler style) which also helped get them out of me. But I took breaks from this and kept up my diet and antixoxidant routine.

I eventually healed from mercury toxicity (mostly anyway). I was healing more and more as time wore on, though I think in retrospect I did things probably a bit too slow, but this was because I was intolerant to the mercury and had trouble excreting it (as I do any toxin), so the pain of detox was too much and I always had to break from it and recover.

The supplements are VITALLY important I believe now that I look back and it was also vital that I had good quality sources of them, because ones that I had used prior to this had not given such great results as the ones from that lab (in new zealand). The vitamin C powder alone caused detox symptoms, that I had to break from it, try again on reduced dose. I must have been healthier then, because that's all it took to encourage detox. Whereas now, with the viral infection I have, I don't tend to get such results from anything.

Hg is very bad, but it can come out with our efforts. 40yrs, out of curiosity, what supplements were or are you taking? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> 15 years younger sounds darned good to me.

Hey, was an experiment and I like experiments. It was a risk I was willing to take because I’m curious to learn, to really know if they are helping me.

I read a lot, and I read so much so that I’m now reading many different points of view. From the reading I’m doing there are opposite views on everything…and I really do mean everything, people shout and scream there points of view, swearing blind that what they think is 100pct fact and everyone else is 100pct wrong….Curezone is rife with opposing views.

How am I supposed to know who is right? Sometimes the best way to know is to try it….suck it and see! And that’s what I did…..turns out I need those supplements. Particularly my adrenals need big time support. The fact my adrenals need so much support is very important for me to undertand.

I know others read similar stuff to me, they read in some places that supplements are the devil incarnate……but now they maybe they don’t need to do the experiment I did? I only tried because I was feeling better anyway. I recovered quickly and now I KNOW that I’m doing the right thing, that the supplements are working and are needed for my continued well being.

It was a fine experiment, I am happy I did it, I am happy to KNOW. I am taking all my supplements again.

Hi Sunshine, I understand what you mean. Sometimes you have to try something for yourself to experiement and see what makes the difference. Everybody is different. I have heard many contradictions and just as you said, one party is saying one thing, the other something else and they all claim to KNOW.

I'm also hearing the latest about the problems with antioxidants and it's hard to know what to believe. But my body has the last word and I go with that everytime.

Like yourself, I'm realising now how important these supplements are. I hate relying on them, but I sure the heck seem worse if I stop them. I think you did a wise thing to be honest, you needed to see for yourself how much they were helping (or not) and now you can confidentally tell people that YES they make a difference and if they ask "how do you know?", you can pass on what you did.

Andy Cutler is big on supplements, especially in mercury toxicity and also points out how important antioxidants and essential fatty acids are in particular.

Wow SoSick, I must say I am impressed! The Chlorella enema did work much better than taking it orally. Now I am focused on trying a good colon cleanse and parasite combination. I hoping that will help minimize some of my symptoms. Thanks again for the advice. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

If you were to read some of the stuff they write just about Vit C I should have checked into the morgue years ago. When U actually go and read the details behind some of the studies going on it really beggars belief that these PHD's etc conducting the studies actually went to school.

As an example, if you read the detailed, not summary, description of the one and only study to be conducted into the oral absorption of L-Glutathione you see that, contrary to what they say in the summary, it doesn't actually prove anything. It's well understood by everyone that the only way to increase your Glutathione levels (the body’s master anti-oxidant) is to supplement things like selenium and in particular Whey. The study says there is no increase in levels when taken by mouth because it's broken down in the stomach, End of Story. Except, I've experienced and observed quite miraculous a affects from taking oral GSH. It kills viruses dead, including the AIDS virus, which I've observed myself, it's great for flu when taken every 4 hours, better than anything I've ever tried, and it chelates Hg. One things that happens, though I don't know why, is that your skin becomes very soft to the touch. Doesn't sound to me like there is an absorption problem. I know to take it with orange juice and some Vit C to enhance the absorption. Anyway, thought I would look into why this miraculous peptide was being overlooked.

Understand this, when you are sick, your GSH levels go down, the more sick the lower they get. When you look at this study, the conclusion is that upon taking GSH the (7) people in the study had no remarkable increase in blood levels of GSH. When U look at the detail it turned out the 7 people all had serious cases of hepatitis C, where you would expect their levels of GSH would normally be very low. You would have thought they'd try this absorption test on well people if absorption was truly the aim of the study. Of course, the person conducting the study was a part owner of the company, in Canada, that makes Whey supplements.

hi Angelbaby,i am new to the forum and have similar symptoms to you, i also have this horrible impending doom feeling and a really awful feeling of unreality 24/7, are you going to start chelating using DMSA/ALA doing the andy cutler protocol? this seems to make the most sense, i can't start doing it yet as i still have to remove a bridge to make sure there's no mercury under it.Let me know how you're getting on as this message is a few months down the road.you can PM me if you like.
dudley.

Some of my favorite supplements through testing are

-Alive! Vitamin C (All natural vitamin C made with all organic fruits)

-Source Naturals Coenzymate B Complex (The only coenzymate b complex without methylcobalamin which I can't tolerate)

-Now Foods True E biocomplex (food sourced vitamin E that is free from GMO's and has all the natural forms of vitamin E)

-Concentrace Mineral Drops (All natural mineral supplement made from the salt lake in utah, has a lot of natural ionic magnesium, lithium, and selenium plus all of the trace elements)

-Jarrow Formulas MK-7 (Non-GMO source of vitamin K2 which has so many health benefits)

Just thought I would share! The above supplements have made a tremendous difference in my health.

Dudley, it would do you real well to take some DMSA. You don't have to do rounds but just cleaning up your blood levels, which is contributing to that feeling of doom, would help you enormously. I used to take it every evening 4-5 times per week just before bed, it helped me.

and eat garlic, everyday a little bit, fresh raw in a salad or something, it will help raise your body's glutathione levels, it is real important. just don't eat it alone on an empty stomach, that can be painful.

a little bit of mercury amalgam under a bridge is pretty meaningless in the larger sense, it's kind of like saying people who have their amalgams removed shouldn't chelate because they have mercury deposits in their brains or bones.

Take the DMSA, it's easy to get and it will help you. drink lots of water. Do some herbal laxatives or herbal colon cleanse to help start clearing out your colon. when you get poisoned a great deal of the amalgam gets trapped in your intestin and recirculates from there, not from your mouth. You probably have more down there than under your bridge and should work on getting it out asap.

It might be an issue if you had a whole mouthful of amalgams but you don't so get going with the chelating as soon as you can.

don't drink fluoridated water. a lot of bottled water contains fluoride too so check your labels if you buy that, it should be spring water not filtered water. or else visit a friend who has a well and septic and fill up some bottles.

and make sure you are eating cod liver oil and coconut oil to protect your brain. it helps a lot. selenium too.

Dudley, I respect sosick's right to take the DMSA however she wants, but to advise you to do the same is not responsible...with all due respect SoSick. The point of Andy Cutler's protocol is to keep the mercury moving out. Not easy on you to do his round the clock chelating, but it IS safer because it keeps it moving and going out. There is some redistribution with stopping the chelating that way at the end of the cycles, but if you take it randomly or nightly it is possible to do much more damage that way. Andy's method are very well researched and I'm sure there is an explantion why she gets temporary results with feeling better. Longterm it is not as safe, though. Mercury chelation is not something to take lightly. Its one of the most if not THE most poisonous metals on earth.

Actually, it is responsible jeanie.

Considering that it is actually what I had to do myself, and it worked wonderfully, I'd say it's very responsible.

Have you ever chelated Jeanie?

I sounded a lot like dudly 18 months ao.. age 47, active healthy, running, swimming, till one day I visited a dentist and they poisoned me.

I have been chelating for 18 months with amalgams in, not because I want to Jeanie, but because I really haven't had any other option.

abd I even spent my winter skiing. did prety good if I do say so myself.
i do get relapses but so does everyone else.

hopefully all these amalgams will be out soon, I have had some removed...

Yep...

well it'a always been an argument about which is right, which is best.

let me just put it this way. that is what I had to do and I have a whole heck of a lot less issues today than I had 18 months ago.

Personally I don't see any reason to tell someone to continue suffering when help is available.

Most doctoprs who do chelation agree with me btw. Cutler is pretty much teh only one saying not to chelate with amalgams still in. when you're posioned you're posioned and you need to take care of it asap. Mostly it's the blood levels that are a problem when you get posioned and dmsa does help that quite a bit.

but IV chelation is better.

But other folks like Andy who are much more researched and qualified would say otherwise and I agree with them. You can do what you want, but I draw the line at telling someone in a low state that its safe when its not proven to be and IS proven NOT to be safe. I have chelated....not for some time. I should again. I don't like to dwell on my underlying poisoning....or any other issues I have. My illnesses do not define me and I just haven't thought about it much since we moved here. I do appreciate the advice you've given me with supplements; I came on this list to remind myself and get motivated to work on my health again, but how you are choosing to chelate is not safe longterm for you either. I'm glad you feel better, and as I've stated, I figure mother nature has ways to help us with this. But mother nature never meant for us to have mercury in our bodies either. God gives us the intelligence "sometimes" to figure out how to deal with things and the proven chelators are safer. Chemicals as you wrote to me...yah - I'd rather not too. But you need to know what you are taking is grabbing it and moving it out and is a true chelator. There may be good formulas out there. The Bio-chelat could be good. But I would NEVER advise anyone to take DMSA randomly or only at night. DMPS you can take every 8 hours and I wish I could get hold of that. But the way you are "prescribing" taking the DMSA is DANGEROUS.....

I was originally told by an M.D. to chelate the way you say. Like I take what Doctors say at their word?? This guy was wholistic, too. He was also a crook. And didn't know what he wsa doing. Anyone can "prescribe." They just happen to have licenses to. You always need to check what they tell you to do... He also did a dangerous challenge test on me.

If you or Dudley can use IV chelators with folks who know all the other ways you need protected while they're doing it (or you do) great!!!

Well, like I said Jeanie, sometimes there just isn;t any other option.

My doc is not holistic, he's an MD 5 times over with various specialties, one of the best in his field(s).

He does surely have more than just a little bit of experience than Andy Cutler with does with chelation. He runs a clinic it's pretty much all they do.

Amalgams long-term are not good for anyone, you are right about that.

Being poisoned and chelating simply for the sake of chelating after amalgam removal are really 2 different things. Being posioned turns you into a cripple overnight.

Really the problem is that dentists place amalgam but do not know how to remove it and charge enormous fees if they do, which keeps a lot of sick people from ever getting well. it's pretty much an economic factor more than anything else. and it really should be illegal for them to charge so much for a service that is only neceessary as a result of bad dentistry to begin with.

I have actually tried not chelating as per the advice that the Andy Cutler group gives and I end up feeling like a sack o $hit as a result.

This conversation has reminded me of that and inspired me to go take some dmsa immediately.

That is your perogative.

Dangerous for you, too, though.

Jeanie, I could never take DMSA any other way other than Cutler's. I tried to take it once per day (e.g. even as low as a 50 mg capsule) and had violent reactions. Yet I was able to take 50 mg of DMSA every 4 hours around the clock and I could tolerate it. Though I felt revolting from detox, I could tolerate it the frequent dosing because it kept blood levels stable and the movement of mercury the same.

The once per day, or any other random/isolated dosages made me react so badly that I could be up all night with severe reactions and behaviour that could have been dangerous to myself (or even the person living with me). i was nearly taken to a mental hospital or emergency a few times when chelating the wrong way. I protested that I did not want to go and to "leave me alone". So I had to pretty much scream it out/wait it out until the reactions subsided again.

Cutler almost saved my life with his protocol. I've tried it all (almost). Chlorella, large and isolated doses of alpha lipoic acid, garlic, random once daily or more DMSA, IV DMPS, NDF, high sulfur, etc and all of these ways were intolerable and dangerous to me when I was mercury toxic. Now get this, a dentist put me on a detox supplement, which contained low dose nutrients that would normally be great. Well, it contained small doses of Alpha lipoic acid, MSM, amino acids etc and the reactions were again VIOLENT.

I had to discontinue with it. I tried about three times to take it and keep taking it, but unless I wanted to be on the floor screaming and salivating like a nutcase, I had to stop. THe person living with me told me that if I continued, they would have to take action.

Because the stuff mobilised the mercury in me wildly without any form of control, it reflected in my own reactions to it. Again, I had to go back to Cutler's protocol to get the mercury out of me more safely.

I used to also used "Heel detox kit", http://www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=6841 which I have to say to people here was one of the best detoxes I have ever used and I think I would like to get one again when I can. It has three bottles, which cleanse liver, kidneys(renal) and I think lymph. It is wonderful! It encourages detox and eliminates toxins of all kinds (including metals). Does it all and yes it does affect metals also, so be careful. The reactions can also be intolerable if the person is very metal toxic and starts off with full dosage and tries to keep going for the full amount of time. I found that I would have to take small doses and then keep taking breaks so my body could keep up with the metal being released. Very effective and no drugs required for this one. Again, I still feel that, plus cutler's was the main help for me, with my antioxidants too and good diet, moderate exercise and hot baths. I pretty much did it all I think. Hot baths with epsom salts or baking soda and sea salt to encourage sweating and toxic release via the skin. I only did that because I was able to tolerate it and could sweat. I would be careful if the person gets sick from heat and cannot sweat properly. Or you'll put too much pressure on your system.

Exercise also helps, but again moblises metals, so should be done carefully too. I found rebounding and/or treadmill/walking to be the best and that also aided towards my improvement.

You'll find most people do quite a few things to get well, nothing is usually "one" isolated cure. As Sunshine said on here! Lots of things do work together and you have to find out what is effective for you at the time. Also what maybe effective onetime, may not be later on, circumstances can change.

When you boil down the entire issue of mercury detox, it comes down to this:

(1) Mobilize mercury from tissue. This is normally done with sulphur (DMPS, DMSA, glutathione, chlorella are all sulfur-based).

(2) Once the mercury is in the blood, try to be sure it does not separate from the sulphur and get redistributed.

(3) If using a chelation method that removes mercury via the urinary tract, be sure to provide protection for the kidneys. If using a chelation method that removes mercury via the liver (colon), be sure to prevent reabsorption of the mercury via the colon walls (using Algin).

(4) Protecting the body from free-mercury during chelation with brain antioxidants (E) and body antioxidants (C).

Basically, if mercury never left it's sulfur when in transit, there would be no "bad feelings" during detox.

I chose to detox slow and naturally because this way, I knew my body could handle the small amounts of mercury released over a long period of time and I could provide protection for it. I used chlorella and lots of C and E. I would have used Algin but I didn't know about it then.

I also believed that the sum-total of released mercury would be smaller with a long-term low-level detox (for complex reasons).

Sweating is also an excellent way to remove mercury because it doesn't have to utilize certain organs (liver, kidneys).

My thoughts anyway...

Argh..just lost what I wrote. My fault. Thanks for this. Question - I forgot, but what chelators do go through what channels? I use to use both DMSA and ALA (maybe it was too much) and remember now why I got discouraged. It always seemed to put a great strain on my kidneys. I would rather go slowly myself. Maybe I wasn't drinking enough....

Boy - if sweating helps I should be dumping. Wow - duh. NO WONDER I'M FEELING LIKE GARBAGE. I need to be hitting the C, etc. and drink a LOT more water right now. I hadn't heard of mercury rising till this list. Knew people did saunas to help, etc., but lived in Alaska when I was really into it before. Then we moved here and I have hot flashes to boot.

I like Alacer mineral ascorbates. I felt pretty descent when I was using that. Have been out for a while. I do take melatonin for its anti-oxidant properties and since I'm a hard core insomniac likely cause the mercury is in my pituitary and hypothalamus. (Thyroid is definitely affected). I need to take my Modifilan, too, and get some Algin. Same thing in essence, but I trust Nature's Sunshine. Plus I have to capulize the Modifilan to keep it affordable. I use to be so good about all this. Thanks for all this. Really is motivating. SoSick...not trying to argue. I just think if you are going to use actual chelators you have to be very very careful.

Oh - sulfur question. I take garlic every night. (Pills). Are garlic, etc. and MSM chelators? I never have quite gotten that. Doesn't that have something to do with the whole Phase thing with the liver which I also never completely got? I think I'm a fast metabolizer... )(Forget which phase that is - I should go look it up). Can anyone explain that in lay terms? Thank you!

I think you also have to look at an individual's particular situation. I went from normal, active healthy at age 47, the few normal little aches and pains here and there but never daily, to having difficulty walking, numb arms and hands, blistering headaches, complete foghead, slurring of speech, extreme muscle weakness, almost overnight... I had major worrisome problems overnight which escalated rapidly within a matter of a few weeks actually.

I really had to do something. There is absolutely no way I was heading back into a dentists office in that state. so I found a doctor and they chelated me. Within 3-4 months I was almost my old self again.

When you get poisoned by dentists virtually overnight like that, your mercury and other heavy metal blood levels are extremely high. From my experience the only option is to bind the heavy metals in the blood and clear them out, rather than let them continue to freely zoom through your system. That is the worst thing about a large dose of heavy metal in a short time period, the oxidation, all of that.

which is pretty much the situation Dudley is in as far as I can tell. He will probably have much more difficluty returning to normal if he waits 3-5 months to chelate because a lot of the free mercury will have settled in by then.

But finding a doctor to do IV chelation is not easy either, I was simply blessed to find one nearby. I am sure I made the right choice.

My head feels much better now than it did prior to the mercury incident btw. I have not had any foggy head episodes (except for a week or so while doing humaworm) since last summer. That is extremely unusual for me. I thought foghead was normal!

Look at it this way Jeanie, I chelate, with amalgams in still (unfortuantely because if it were really my choice they would have been gone last year, economics, location, chemical sensitivities etc all play a part), and I can walk without pain. Even run, not too fast though but I was never much a runner, more of a swimmer.

You removed your amalgams, chelated a lttle bit, and complain of fibromyalgia.

it's just not a perfect world I guess.

Hi Jeanie,

As I understand it, there are mobilisers and chelators. Mobilisers have a weaker grip on mercury. Chelators have a stronger grip. Mobilisers tend to bounce mercury around more. Though some of the mercury may come out in the process, most is usually reabsorbed and moving mercury around widly, may wind up with mercury settling in more sensitive areas (brain being one).

Chelating agents can do the same if they are used incorrectly, but they have a stronger grip on mercury and can be used to remove mercury more than just move it around.

Some people are fine with sulfur products and others are not. Garlic is high in sulfur and can move mercury also, but that depends on how much your body needs sulfur and how much extra sulfur may cause issues. MSM the same thing. Depends on your own reactions.

A fast metabolizer, is to do with liver phase I. I think this means that it's working faster than what liver phase II can keep up with. So toxins tend to accummulate too quickly and liver phase I also turns them into a form that is even more toxic apparently. But phase II, can use this and then excrete it. Problem is, if liver phase I is too fast, you see the problems. Phase II simply cannot keep up. I have the same problem. Mercury may in fact be the cause of this imbalance, OR the problem was already there, which maybe why some of us are much more suseptible to mercury than others.

It's a wise move to do everything you can to take the load off your liver and gut by excluding all foods that feed yeast and consume healthy natural foods, particularly raw vegetables (and fruit if you can handle it), plus proteins/fats. Non wheat/gluten grains maybe ok too if you can handle high carb foods. Raw nuts/seeds, plain acidophilus yoghurt etc are good.

antioxidants - vitamin C (powder with bioflavanoids is good), vitamin E, milk thistle, selenium, etc are helpful.

Mercury free fish oil is good too apparently.

I see your point SoSick. It didn't come on that drastically for me. I caught briefly on the shout box something about mercury causing pain btw. Wanted to ask you about that. I have had 2 accidents. The first one - falling holding my infant at the time damaged 3 discs in my low back. It has literally hurt to sit ever since. That came on suddenly but was, obviously, an injury. I was only 31. My car wreck a couple years ago gave me severe whiplash and I now, also, have 3 herniated discs in my neck (well - 2 now - one is now gone and there is a post-surgical titaniam plate there - I'm a good weather predictor - hurts like hell before a storm) so have real physical reasons for my pain. Its not just from FMS, but I have the syndrome and all that goes with it. At least that's what I figured out and, of course the oh so scientific test to see if you hurt at certain points (yes). But i don't dwell on it a lot. Except have been in more pain lately - but I've also eaten a lot of offenders and been too sedentary since summer started. (And maybe the heat is affecting me??) Some theorize FMS happens with people who deal with chronic pain, too, cause it often starts after injuries. I want to have hope I can alleviate this. Someone on here said, too, discs can heal if you get the mercury out. I've heard that, but disease does exist even without mercury.

My only point is that I would still use chelators more consistently. Of course you still have amalgams. Maybe Algin? I don't know. You apparently got results so can't blame you. I would just rather err on the side of caution. The long term results are what you want to achieve with some relief in the mean time. You know I take medications I would rather not, too. I know that long term I'm doing damage, too. But i have to be able to function. My only consolation, really, is that this body is temporary. I can function although am still limited. I don't exactly tear through the house cleaning daily like the hubby would like. He helps me a lot, though. I have in no way chelated enough to make much of a difference so am not a role model for that. (Am NOT mercury free). Whether I got the amalgam out or not, I still have it in my glands, etc. But I'm not doing further polluting as far as I know. I haven't had a hair test done or anything to see where I am. I need to detox...I know that. Just be careful... The amalgams are going to keep emitting. Maybe algin is a better solution for you right now??? You can use that safely. Definitely not a perfect world. I just fear you could be doing long-term damage and with mercury it is not pretty. Not trying to scare you either...Or be contrary. I honestly care.

Personally I think if someone is stuck with amalgams and cannot get the alternatives put in (due to severe allergy/toxic reactions), then they need to find some way to live with them, or remove all their teeth....and that may not be an option! False teeth may also prove reactive and certainly all of us need a few teeth in our mouths.

To be honest, though some may not tolerate sosick's method of chelating or doing it with amalgams, the fact she's being helped by it is positive. Because it's working, it's keeping her going and keeping her relatively well (as much as can be expected with amalgams). Even Andy admits there are ways of doing things that works for some people, though he may not recommend it personally.

Sometimes if you hit on a formula that works, it maybe wise to stick to it if you find it's the only thing that gets you through each day and feeling better than normal. I would not like to see sosick stop chelating if it means her returning to an almost bedridden state.

Thank you Bex. I seem to need the garlic I take, but when I use fresh garlic it seems to bother me more. I know, for me, following the guidelines for my blood type make a huge difference. We can't do grains well other than brown rice and a few rare others like spelt. I eat ezekial bread. Dairy does not agree. That is likely my worst offender lately. I am also insulin resistant. Have the whole metabolic syndrome things going on. My dad died at 39, brother at 48 a year ago. I'm now 48....REALLY need to get this body in check. This only came on in the past couple of years. My thyroid is off which makes you more prone to heart disease and all that, too. Always have been hypoglycemic so knew I'd have to watch my blood sugar. Incidentally - I have a family hx, too, but does anyone know if glaucoma is ever related to mercury? I am developing that, too. The longer you wait with this crap, the harder it really does get to do anything about it. I look good for my age (I'm told, not meaning to be vain or conceited) but am sure not feeling that way. Not but about 10 pounds overweight so not obese. Why does it have to be such hard work and so danged expensive to be healthy!!!!!!!!! On an up note - we have the tools and the knowledge to fight this. I have to just keep remembering - I DO have control over this. We all do. At least to a degree. So...have you chelated lately? I had decided at one point to do it on weekends. Working, though, which I didn't do for 15 years till the last few takes all I've got.

The issue isn't just the mercury itself, but the candida and/or parasites, and nutritional deficiencies due to impaired absorbtion. Then there may be adrenal problems, and/or serotonin problems. Try to treat all of these issues can be very helpful in regaining strength and well being. Depression may be a result of serotonin being low. Licorice root can be very helpful as far as mood. I used to use St. John's Wort for this, however after a while I became sensitive to it. Licorice root is also antifungal and helps with detoxification. Licorice root tea is my favorite supplement. It also tastes great. Doing parasite cleanses and taking antifungals is an important part of the strategy. Wormwood, black walnut green hull extract, and clove oil are very antifungal and antiparasitic. These three together are potent against both parasites and candida. Wormwood might be the most potent antifungal. Just be careful when using Wormwood and clove oil, as they may be toxic if the intake is too large. There are some liquids available with all 3, or you can buy the extracts and clove oil separately. I think these have been very helpful for me. I first took the Wormwood as part of a parasite cleanse, then noticed that it was doing a great job diminishing the candida related problems.

I do have a friend who has kept her amalgams. Honestly she is aging rapidly. She has Multiple sclerosis. She knows about mercury but didn't want to spend the money on removal. I also know of another woman with cancer. Another with alzheimers. All of these ladies are about 10-15 years older than me. They all found out they had mercury issues from a naturopath here. (People are more progressive here than I expected them to be....no offense to the south - I love it here!) Not sure if the other 2 have had them out. The point is, though, they didn't learn about this till later when it was too late to do much about it. Thinking about that....I want to start chelating again or at least being a LOT more proactive about my health again. I don't have any full-fledged disease going but its brewing. What is the average age on here? Bex, how old are you? Russ looks young : ) (But oh so wise!) I am impressed with the people on here. Even the debaters.

You are a ray of Sunshine....

I think that is partly why I need garlic - helps candida issues. I use to always use licorice but use the Deglyzerized (sp?) kind now due to mild bp issues. Good stuff! I take 5-HTP, too, for seratonin. Started that in Alaska when I realized I was S.A.D. (Seasonal affective disorder). Anyone hear of, I think her name is Helga something. Hulga! The Cure for all Diseases? I did some of her cleanses some time ago. I passed some serious gallstones in one night! But a night of heck it was! Yuck! Have done the same thing with Dr. Christopher's 3 day cleanse. The last cleansing diet I did was the Fat Flush diet. That is a good one. Not about losing weight - but its a nice side effect. Strict, but I felt good on it. She does have you eating a lot of eggs some may not do well on due to sulfur. She has you drink cranwater...lots. I need to follow that again. I've gotten so busy I haven't had time to think about these things. I use to work cleansing and everything. My SIL calls me one of "those people." They own a donut shop. Need i say more. On that note we were looking at parasites in the flesh...(well - in a jar) the last couple of weeks of school in a biology class I was doing long term subbing for. We looked at puddle water, too, to find water fleas and there were little microscopic worms in there....Ick... Think of that the next time a dog licks you....

You said the "s" word : ) I hope I haven't made you feel bad SoSick.

what, sack o $hit?

that is the typical description and quite accurate. I learned it here, from sunshine.

I didn't actually say it, that is a dollar sign... to remind you of why you hurt, from the tip of your toes to your wallet.. the cost of mercury poisoning and a ha beautiful smile from the ADA.. the greedy swine.

Dear bex, I will not be losing all my teeth not anytime soon anyway. Jesus will probably come rescue us all before then anyway. SOS I keep the fire burning SOS. It means send help. quick. save our ship. s properly included.

Hi Jeanie, sorry to hear about your father and brother . that is AWFUL. And so young too! Too young to die. What a tragedy. Who knows what impact this toxin has had on many people who never considered it as being a possible part of what was wrong with them? Not saying it always is, but one wonders sometimes.

I find garlic a problem. I don't use it anymore. I was ok with it when I had amalgams (the supplement). But after amalgam removal I could not tolerate it, it brought on too many detox reactions. Now it's even worse since a virus I got years ago. So I just steer clear these days. Onions are ok with me though and they are quite antifungal. You might want to consider them instead if you feel better with them than garlic.

I am 35 by the way and I used to look very young for my age, but now? I don't think I do. I feel old and look older as well. Some days are better than others, but the virus I got years ago never left me and it's made a huge impact to my immunity and I think it's aged me a lot. Even blood test shows that I have the HGH levels of someone middle aged. Perhaps all of this is from long term mercury poisoning, even though I detoxed it and was getting well, I just got hit with something else and worse in my opinion. Didn't think anything could be worse though. I have mentioned more about it on the "chronic fatigue syndrome" forum.

I do not wish to enter a dental office again. I went recently for a routine clean and I always, without fail, deteriorate afterwards, as though just being there and breathing in whatever mercury vapor is floating around, seems to make my condition worse and it doesn't just "go away". My body doesn't eliminate the mercury properly, so it tends to linger and poison me. I do not find I respond to chelation anymore either, so it's difficult. Whether it's that or not I don't know. But it's happened in the past. I went to a metal free one too, but didn't seem to make much difference. I guess they're still removing enough amalgam from other people's teeth throughout the year, to cause enough mercury build up in their environment for someone like me to become poisoned by just by walking into it.

Never used to have that problem, but since viral infection? It started. So, I now have more permanent replacement materials in my teeth (porcelain) and am trying just to look after them from home as well as I can and hopefully avoid future dental visits for as long as I can. I just cannot take anymore toxicity!

Losing ones soul is a lot worse than losing some teeth anyway. I sure hope He does come soon! I haven't got a lot of faith in this world or it's apparent "remedies" anyway.

Hi Dudley,

Welcome to the forum! I have just posted an update of what I've been doing under Sunshine's post of his experiences during the last 8-18 months. Go there for a detailed update on my progress. As for the DMSA I have not started taking this yet plan to do so pretty soon starting on a very low dose. If I feel it is benefiting me I will continue. I have learned the hard way and tried many things, but what works for others may not work for me so I listen to my body and go slow. It's all about what works for you.

I have been using Extreme Health USA Detox (Toxic Heavy Metals Plus) Oral Chelation II/Age-Less II for the past 7 months. It is a vegetarian 2 part supplement. I take one made for the am and one made for the pm. This has a proprietary blend of chorella, garlic, and ALA to name a few of the chelators to help detox heavy metals. Here is a link for more info:

http://www.extremehealthusa.com/source.html

The feeling of impending doom still comes and goes for me but it may be a combination of not also taking taking DMSA or some other form of chelation and being severely constipated. I am constantly battling with that issue. I notice my symptoms are worse when I am experiencing the constipation and once I take something to help relieve that issue, I feel better after a bowel movement. The Algin does help prevent the toxins from redistributing. I also take Modiflan to help remove the metals as well. Here is a link for Modiflan:

http://www.modifilan.com/

I am in the process of starting colon hydrotherapy/colonics and have heard this has benefited people greatly. Because I am taking the Extreme Health USA formulas with Modiflan, I have not started DMSA but feel I need to give it a try. If it does not work for me I plan to continue with Extreme Health USA formulas, Modiflan (thyroid/metals, etc.), Algin, Cortef (5mg am only for adrenals), additionaly support thyroid (unsure of how to do this still), parasite cleanses (every 90 days), bowel cleansing, colonics, massage, chiropractic adjustments, dry brushing, castor oil packs and clay baths to help detox the metals out and prevent.

Hope this helps.

Angelbaby26

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