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Mercury Level from blood test
#35256
04/29/08 01:48 AM
04/29/08 01:48 AM
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Hello! I am new here, and strongly believe i am suffering from Mercury poisoning and candida. I am 26 years old with 10 silver fillings.
I had blood work done (CBC, etc) and a mercury blood test on request (my doctor questioned me at first)
Everything came back normal according to him, but my Mercury test came back 20.8 ug/L He admitted to not knowing much about Merucry and is referring me to a hematologist.
My question - is this blood test result high? What is the normal amount to have? Thanks!!
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Re: Mercury Level from blood test
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04/29/08 02:10 AM
04/29/08 02:10 AM
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Hi there and welcome to the forum! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
I wouldn't rely too much on testing for mercury, it is pretty hard to get an accurate idea of what is going on. For starters, mercury gets bound up in organs and brain, and is unlikely to really show a high blood level, unless you have acute poisoning (a huge dose), rather than chronic poisoning (slow poisoning over time, building up).... It's possible it might, but I'd not bet my hands on it.
The same with hair testing, sometimes you can show a very low level of mercury in these tests, yet be highly poisoned. There are various reasons for this. The source of mercury itself may have been removed, but the leftover mercury is bound up and is not being excreted out, so is not showing a level in urine/hair. The person maybe suffering then from retention toxicity, to where they are very poisoned, but not pushing it out, so it may not show up properly.
Or, the person may really have "low" levels (at least these doctors "ideas" of low levels), but be easily poisoned by low levels of mercury and simply be intolerant to it...
What is really a safe level of mercury poisoning? Considering everybody is different and we all have different challenges going on. Much of this also comes down to personal genetics, immune status, other challenges that might be going on or toxicities, ability to eliminate toxins/mercury or the tendency to hang onto them... so people may respond differently to different levels of mercury. Some other person may seem to tolerate much higher levels than someone else for different reasons, but even then, they can sometimes slip into poisoning later on if something else happens to their health.
I don't buy into these so-called low levels of mercury, as there are too many reasons for this, plus mercury is so toxic that even at small levels can make a suseptible person VERY poisoned. E.g. someone might eat some low level mercury fish and be ok, someone else maybe very ill after it.
Someone quite healthy maybe tested for mercury and show higher levels of mercury than someone more poisoned by it. This may show they are healthier and more tolerant of it, or it may show they simply excrete the mercury much easier, thus it shows up on testing because it's being pushed out into the hair more and urine.... Yet someone else with high levels of mercury may show signs of corresponding toxicity and the results match the what the person is experiencing.
There is so much involved in this and there maybe ways that people can find to get a more accurate result of mercury testing (like challenge testing, but I'd suggest caution and a test that has been shown to be accurate and safer). It is also the way the doctor interprets the test results and should be taking many other things into account. THe person's symptoms (are they classic mercurial?), mineral levels on the test (mercury messes up certain minerals, appears to be a certain pattern it can create which is a tell tale sign that mercury maybe at work). Also another thing mercury messes up is the endocrine system. So symptoms associated with adrenals and thyroid maybe another classic sign of mercury.
It can also allow pathogens/candida to take hold and further increase a person's toxicity and misery. So these things should also be treated to help symptoms during mercury poisoning, or the person will suffer increased and often unnecessary suffering. It may not be a cure, but doing this can help along the way, as the person removes their amalgams and chelates the stored mercury. So I'd advise you to look up candida symptoms, you may recognise many of them, though sometimes it's hard to distinguish between candida and mercury symptoms, which is why it's wise to treat both regardless.
Mercury can cause cold body temperature, tremors, swollen tongue, severe mood swings, unnatural fears, paranoias, withdrawal hermit type behaviours, obsessive thoughts/compulsive behaviours, metal taste in the mouth, metal smell on the body, excessive/uncontrollable crying and/or salivating spells, depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts, grey discolouration in the mouth or even on the genitals (where it should be pink), difficult in sweating (or excessive sweating), suseptibility to yeast/pathogens and many many other bizzare symptoms that are often hard to even describe.
candida can cause many also and may even cause some of the ones above, or cross over! If you have any of these symptoms, it maybe likely you are indeed mercury toxic and/or suffering candida. Candida however does not usually occur in isolation (unless it's a temporary case of it caused by antibiotics). Candida usually overgrows when a person's immunity is no longer able to keep it contained at natural levels. Mercury is one cause, virus maybe another, infections etc.
Anyway, sorry for rambling, but I hope some of this might help. Im sorry about not knowing about what level of mercury is "normal" in the blood and what is high. As I said, I don't believe that testing for it is always an accurate report of what maybe going on. Everybody is different.
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Re: Mercury Level from blood test
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04/29/08 01:47 PM
04/29/08 01:47 PM
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Thanks for your reply! I was wondering, have you ever had blood tests done for mercury? It seems weird that mine came back "high".
I defiently feel like I have chronic mercury poisoning (i have 11 fillers first few started in my early teens) I just wish I was 100% sure that its that and not just this stupid candida of which my doctor disregarded as a joke.
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Re: Mercury Level from blood test
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04/29/08 02:51 PM
04/29/08 02:51 PM
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Also, my mood swings and depression has been sooooo off the wall the past year or so. I used to hide it better until recently. Im starting to think my doctor and even some friends think Im going crazy or just "thinking too much". It is sometimes too much for me to handle, my head feels like its not all worth it. Losing hope....
Ive felt like my body has always been struggling and fighting no matter how healthy i eat and excersize. Most of my family tease me and critisize me for being a "health freak" but I cant help that...is that my bodies reaction to whats poisoning me? I feel like if i havent been so naturally health consious all these years my body would be so much worse off now than it already is...
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Re: Mercury Level from blood test
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04/29/08 05:20 PM
04/29/08 05:20 PM
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Had you eaten fish recently when you took the test? I'm not sure, but I think it is unusual to turn up high in the blood as it settles into tissues pretty quickly. Since it did come back high I would definitely look at mercury as a possible source of your symptoms. Testing for mercury does appear to be tricky. I had a hair test several years ago and the mercury came up very low so we just stuck with treating candida. I stayed on my diet very strictly but could never get rid of the candida. Even a piece of fruit would trigger symptoms. Last summer, another doctor really felt I had symptoms of mercury, so he gave me a challenge test which was a urine test collected after taking oral DMPS (a chelator). My mercury came back very elevated. I got my last two fillings out (most were replaced years ago) and that triggered severe symptoms (that's another way to figure out if your symptoms are mercury related). Many of my symptoms are gone - I still struggle with candida but it is very mild compared to what it used to be and I am still detoxifying. Do you have other symptoms - gastrointestinal, ear ringing, sinus infections, muscle twitching, fatigue, etc.? I would not think a hematologist will be of much help - you need someone who specializes in toxicity - and a good dentist to get those fillings out of your mouth safely. Don't worry too much about your family - I have been through that. As you continue to educate yourself on health and get well, some of them will be coming to you for advice.
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Re: Mercury Level from blood test
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04/29/08 06:32 PM
04/29/08 06:32 PM
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Well, it may not be weird that your blood levels came back high, because you still have amalgams in your mouth. That maybe why. Blood levels usually reduce after amalgams are replaced, but unfortunately the stored mercury starts to dump out again later, as the body makes an attempt to detox the storage. This only happens after all amalgams are gone, seems to set off a detox mechanism. This can hit at anytime following amalgam removal. Different for everybody. Commonly it occurs about 6 months after.
I had tests done post amalgam removal, so that might be why I showed only low levels. The mercury from the blood no doubt would have pretty much gone, but the stored mercury, being bound up for the most part, was very much there.
To get any levels, a person usually has to have a recent exposure and yours is ongoing, as you still have amalgams. But again, testing for levels of mercury is not always indicative of how poisoned a person is, as I've said, low levels does not always mean "low" levels, as mercury is often bound up.
It is highly likely you are poisoned up to the gills with it. It's much more common than people think. Candida is just a side effect of mercury or any other immune challenge/toxicity. It just comes along for the ride because the body isn't healthy enough to keep it at normal levels. Treating candida is wise, but getting to the source of the problem is also very wise. Hopefully you are doing that by investigating your amalgams as a possible cause of these problems.
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Re: Mercury Level from blood test
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04/29/08 07:26 PM
04/29/08 07:26 PM
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VASILIOSKN,
You are not alone... That's exactly how I am feeling about all this right now...
I feel like people/my family think I'm a complete nut, because I'm always searching and thinking about things that will harm you/be good for you. That's all I know , and am living right now, it's hard to hide my madness. It's so hard to get better. I can't just run around all day like a healthy person does and have forgotten how much health I have lost, until I see others keep going after normal shopping. I did get the last one out today (My 10th/final one removed today <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/boogie.gif" alt="" /><img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/boogie.gif" alt="" /><img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/boogie.gif" alt="" />). I've already seen improvements in my energy level, my thought process, and memory. It's no where near where it should be, but it is getting better. Although I still have my days where my balance is not good, and I'm confused when other's are not.
It feels very freeing to: #1 to finally know what is wrong with me #2 being able to actually take action and not feel like I'm wasting away out of my control any longer #3 a relief- to see lots of improvements just with the removal of the amalgams #4 to have this talk forum to relate to, with so many self educated people fighting just like I am (the post that I've read are really right on with what I've learned. I trust this forum based on that and am so grateful to have learned a lot of information that gets pooled together. I don't go anywhere else for information. Bex , Sunshine and a few more have helped me with in a few weeks now...
You sound like me and we have about the same amount of Mercury fillings. You are normal to me because that's how I am...
Beth<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/byebye.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Mercury Level from blood test
#35263
04/30/08 02:26 PM
04/30/08 02:26 PM
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I contacted Dr. Golden in New York and have scheduled to remove all my fillings in a span of 3 days. (including one break day) She recommend i see a naturopath to schedule a vit c IV drip post mercury removal and also do an Ozone IV post mercury removal . What do you guys think?
Beth, you have made me feel much better, thank you. You seem like a normal person to me as well. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thankyoutwirl.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Mercury Level from blood test
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05/01/08 06:54 AM
05/01/08 06:54 AM
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Hi Vasilioskn and welcome.
You don’t need no blood tests to confirm your mercury toxicity! 11 amalgams in your mouth….and a loads of nasty problems that will not go away no matter what you do…..looks like mercury poisoning from here. If you read “Amalgam Illness” by Andrew Cutler you will be able to self diagnose yourself, understand that all your problems are the result of mercury poisoning, understand that its not all in your head, understand that you are not mental and then be able to make informed decisions on how to get the mercury out of your organs and how to support your buggered up body. Amalgam removal is just part 1 of getting better. Some people just magically get better after amalgam removal, but most have to battle hard. Chelation and multiple other supports. And……I have not found a doctor to help me yet. (well there are loads of doctors and they either know nothing about mercury, or just enough to really hurt you.) I have had to become my own doctor. Its been hard work, but I assure you it is most rewarding to actually get better from the actions I have taken.
You gonna have all 11 fillings out in 3 days? How much reading have you done on this? I believe you should go into this with eyes wide open, read “its all in your head” by Hal Huggins…..will explain lots of important things. I chose not to have mine out like that. I chose to have mine out per quadrant. I planned to have mine out as quick as possible…but didn’t turn out like that because each set of amalgams removed cause me to get badly ill for about 3-4 weeks, that was with protection too. some people are fine, some people not…I was not. It is most important to recover from each removal before the next appointment. In the end…took me 9 months (of hell) to complete amalgam removal (although I did bugger it up by getting my first out without protection.)
Anyway….whatever you do…good luck. There is nothing wrong with delaying your appointments until you are happy and u know what you are getting into. Getting better is not as simple as just removaling the amalgams…it is however a necessary evil. (IMHO) delaying by a couple of weeks will make no difference to your health…those amalgams have been in there for years!
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident."
Sunshine
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Re: Mercury Level from blood test
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05/09/08 02:53 PM
05/09/08 02:53 PM
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Welcome VASILIOSKN,
I am new here also. Hearing you describe your symptoms sounded like the way I would have described what I have been going through since November of last year. It was the beginning of a nightmare. I had 9 amalgam fillings and had a terrible reaction after getting the fluy shot and the pneumonia shot at the same time! (Big mistake!!) My left side of my body went numb and I began to feel very ill right after. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> It sent me over the edge! I began researching and came across mercury poisoning and went to see a holistic dentist. He told me my amalgams were leaking and to make a long story short, I had all my amalgams removed 30 days apart with no more than 3 per quad (only did that once because I didn't want to be numbed again later) The rest were removed 2 @ a time. I could barely handle that and he took every safety protocol possible, so depending on how you feel, you may reconsider getting all your amalgams out in such a short period of time! I have been amalgam free since February 21, 2008! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" /> But it was a long road to get where I am today I know that I still have a long road ahead of me. The suggested I do the challenge test but I knew that was what was causing my symptoms and decided to do all natural chelation fo rnow and I plan to do the DMSA or ALA when I get my parasite symptoms under control. My advice would be to listen to Bex, Sunshine and others who advocate hydrotherapy or bowel cleansing, you will be surprised at how much better you feel if you stick to it. Good luck! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/byebye.gif" alt="" />
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "So great a power is there of the soul upon the body, that whichever way the soul imagines and dreams, thither doth it lead the body." — Agrippa, 1510
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Re: Mercury Level from blood test
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05/09/08 03:25 PM
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Thanks for all the replies, its been a great help!
Angelbaby, I am going next Tuesday to start removing them, Im thinking she will do 3 at a time. If i can handle it easily then I will try to do more on the next visit. I'll let you know how it goes. Im preparing to take about 5000mg ofvitamin C that day!
Sunflower: Im doing a 24 hour urine test this monday, i will let you know the results. I have only done a blood test and that came back high after repeat analysis but New York will only take urine tests if you want to report your mercury poisoning to the health officials. Also, I have suffered from hyperhidrosis as far as i can remember (profuse and uncontrollable sweating in hands, feet, and armpits) Im not sure if this is a side effect of MErcury or if im lucky to have it beforehand to help get rid of it along the way...
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Re: Mercury Level from blood test
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05/09/08 05:52 PM
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Hi Vasilioskn,<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/welcomesign.gif" alt="" /> sorry I never welcomed you to the forum before...I read all the new posts and always intend on replying at some stage... so a Big late Welcome to the forum Vasiliosskn & Angel baby too (I felt I could really relate to your story) anyway,24 hr urine test, that will be interesting to find out. Are you planning on reporting it to the health officials? good idea.I used to sweat and up untill some months ago I would sometimes have night sweats but the last few months bizarre symptoms. It is now 7 months since I got the last of my amalgams replaced.I had 9 ,got 4 out & 8 wks later got 5 out and let me just say I wish I had gone much slower & got 1 or 2 at a time ,I felt so impatient to get the poison out of me but I did it way too fast,and suffered terribly. I only discovered herballure after the first lot were done and so did not have a clue about charcoal,huge doses vit c (but not on the day of apt as it interferes with anasthetic), showering as soon as possible after,all of that important stuff... and it made a huge difference the 2nd time around. Also if you are getting the local anasthetic,there are different kinds ,I know that if you have chronic fatigue it's best to get one without adrenaline added, as you probably make more than enough already... I may have forgotten somethings & you probably already know all this but I tell you again just to be sure!!
About the sweating ,I just wondered is it hot or cold? my hands and feet are usually v.cold even in summer Now that I think of it my hands still sweat if I feel very stressed or nervous...
Anyway I wish you all the best for your apt on Tuesday <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/byebye.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Mercury Level from blood test
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05/14/08 07:20 PM
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Hey all! I postponed my first removal till next week to complete all my urine/bloodwork. I want to make sure all the levels are correct since I will be doing the same thing a few months after I remove all my fillings to see if there is a difference.
Today has been hell though. Couldnt sleep, ive been writing weird things on my wall, and just have had enough.
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Re: Mercury Level from urine test
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05/19/08 09:44 AM
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µg/gram is the same as PPM µg = microgram PPM - parts per million I don't know why chelation urine tests are done (especially when using chelation agents such as DMPS or DMSA as I had terrible side effects not from the agent itself (500mgs of DMPS to be specific) but from the moblized mercury that dumps into other areas of your body. ) when you can be checked first and foremost by submitting a random urine sample for a porphyrin test. On pg 93 of his book "It's All In Your Mouth", he states that "the urine porphyrin test is perhaps the best indicator of heavy metal toxicity." This from "Urine Porphyrin Profile Test for Mercury" as per - and please read - http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/new/urine_porphyrin_test.html"Porphyrin (poor' fur rin) Profile Testing Dental Truth Magazine Spring-Summer 2007 edition by Leo Cashman, Executive Director of DAMS This heavy metal toxicity test is being used for non-invasive, safe, and accurate mercury toxicity testing. It is available from several labs in the US and a lab in Paris, France. Rather than looking for mercury in the urine directly, this test looks for effects of mercury, namely an elevation of certain proteins called porphyrins that are showing up in the urine. Normally porphyrins are processed in the body, through a series of chemical reactions, into heme, which is made into hemoglobin or which is used in the making of energy in the ATP cycle. But mercury poisons the enzymes that are needed in the process of making the heme, causing a buildup in the body of excess levels porphyrins. The excessive porphyrins are excreted in the urine. Mercury in our body can thus be detected by measuring the amount of porphyrins in the urine and looking for the distinctive profile of these porphyrins caused by mercury poisoning. The porphyrin known as "precoproporphyrin," is particularly elevated by the action of mercury. Porphyrin testing is done at several US labs: Metametrix Clinical Laboratory, 800-221-4640; Great Plains Lab, 888-347-2781; and Laboratory Corporation of America, www.labcorp.com." "Dr. Boyd Haley presented a paper to the FDA Advisory panel during the 2006 meeting on mercury fillings and neurological diseases, showing why he thinks provocative or challenge urine tests are not so accurate. The provacative tests only measure how much mercury an individual is excreting into their urine. There is no way to measure the body burden of mercury in a person, except through an autopsy." As per "Testing For Mercury & Other Heavy Metals" - please read - http://www.beatcfsandfms.org/html/CheckForHg.html"Do a Porphyrin Test The best way to see mercury that was absorbed into the cells in the past is a Porphyrin Analysis test. This involves sending a urine sample to a lab. If Coproporphyria III is high, this indicates mercury had been there. For an example of such a test, please click here. For more information on these kinds of tests, please contact Mayo Medical Labs, TEL 800-533-1710. For Professor James Wood's evidence that Porphyrin Analysis can detect past mercury exposures, please click here REFERENCE #5. To get this test, you will need to work with a Doc that has an account with a lab that does this test (e.g. Mayo Medical Labs) and who is willing to run this test. Your local Doc may not be willing to do this unless you print out the Professor James Woods study and place it in front of your Doc and tell him you'll pay for it (most Doc's know nothing about all this). If your Doc does not work with you, it is recommended that you work through an Internet Doc that specializes in CFS/FMS. For a list of these, click here. Signs of high Copro II in severe cases would be: reddish colored urine, and pain one inch to the right of the belly button (ileocal value). The Porphyrin test will see both inorganic (Amalgam) and organic (Fish) mercury that is inside the liver cells. It will also show the levels of several enzymes used to manufacture blood. These enzymes can be disabled from things like Lead, Arsenic, Alcohol, Cadmium, Nickel, H2S (hydrogen sulfide), and other poisonous chemicals." If you read Hal Higgins book, there is a whole chapter on 'Diagnosing Mercury Toxicity' and he describes all the chemical indicators through blood, urine and hair samples that can indicate mercury toxicity. I think and feel if toxicity is suspect, then other tests can and should be run first before a heavy metal tox screen with a chelating agent is introduced to a patient. Kindest regards D
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Re: Mercury Level from urine test
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05/21/08 01:10 PM
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Well I had my first two fillings removed yesterday. It took almost two hours I believe, and went very well! I felt no pain, and of course my dentist had the rubber damn, oxygen through my nose, air filers, etc. all in place. I did not take Vitamin C that day because I was told it could lessen the time of numbness. BUT i did take selenium, milk thistle, acai, and echinacea. Also, about 20 minutes before AND after i took 500mg of activated charcoal.
I was exhausted after the procedure and went home to take a nap (I think it was because i got up so early for it) Today I feel fine, and noticed some color on my face. Not sure if it was because of the charcoal or the removal of the two fillings. I also feel fine. When do I start feeling sick from the removal?
My next 2 removals are June 4th, and i cant wait! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/runner.gif" alt="" />
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