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Mercury Level from blood test #35256
04/29/08 01:48 AM
04/29/08 01:48 AM
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VASILIOSKN  Offline OP
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Hello! I am new here, and strongly believe i am suffering from Mercury poisoning and candida. I am 26 years old with 10 silver fillings.

I had blood work done (CBC, etc) and a mercury blood test on request (my doctor questioned me at first)

Everything came back normal according to him, but my Mercury test came back 20.8 ug/L
He admitted to not knowing much about Merucry and is referring me to a hematologist.

My question - is this blood test result high? What is the normal amount to have? Thanks!!

Re: Mercury Level from blood test #35257
04/29/08 02:10 AM
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Hi there and welcome to the forum! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I wouldn't rely too much on testing for mercury, it is pretty hard to get an accurate idea of what is going on. For starters, mercury gets bound up in organs and brain, and is unlikely to really show a high blood level, unless you have acute poisoning (a huge dose), rather than chronic poisoning (slow poisoning over time, building up).... It's possible it might, but I'd not bet my hands on it.

The same with hair testing, sometimes you can show a very low level of mercury in these tests, yet be highly poisoned. There are various reasons for this. The source of mercury itself may have been removed, but the leftover mercury is bound up and is not being excreted out, so is not showing a level in urine/hair. The person maybe suffering then from retention toxicity, to where they are very poisoned, but not pushing it out, so it may not show up properly.

Or, the person may really have "low" levels (at least these doctors "ideas" of low levels), but be easily poisoned by low levels of mercury and simply be intolerant to it...

What is really a safe level of mercury poisoning? Considering everybody is different and we all have different challenges going on. Much of this also comes down to personal genetics, immune status, other challenges that might be going on or toxicities, ability to eliminate toxins/mercury or the tendency to hang onto them... so people may respond differently to different levels of mercury. Some other person may seem to tolerate much higher levels than someone else for different reasons, but even then, they can sometimes slip into poisoning later on if something else happens to their health.

I don't buy into these so-called low levels of mercury, as there are too many reasons for this, plus mercury is so toxic that even at small levels can make a suseptible person VERY poisoned. E.g. someone might eat some low level mercury fish and be ok, someone else maybe very ill after it.

Someone quite healthy maybe tested for mercury and show higher levels of mercury than someone more poisoned by it. This may show they are healthier and more tolerant of it, or it may show they simply excrete the mercury much easier, thus it shows up on testing because it's being pushed out into the hair more and urine.... Yet someone else with high levels of mercury may show signs of corresponding toxicity and the results match the what the person is experiencing.

There is so much involved in this and there maybe ways that people can find to get a more accurate result of mercury testing (like challenge testing, but I'd suggest caution and a test that has been shown to be accurate and safer). It is also the way the doctor interprets the test results and should be taking many other things into account. THe person's symptoms (are they classic mercurial?), mineral levels on the test (mercury messes up certain minerals, appears to be a certain pattern it can create which is a tell tale sign that mercury maybe at work). Also another thing mercury messes up is the endocrine system. So symptoms associated with adrenals and thyroid maybe another classic sign of mercury.

It can also allow pathogens/candida to take hold and further increase a person's toxicity and misery. So these things should also be treated to help symptoms during mercury poisoning, or the person will suffer increased and often unnecessary suffering. It may not be a cure, but doing this can help along the way, as the person removes their amalgams and chelates the stored mercury. So I'd advise you to look up candida symptoms, you may recognise many of them, though sometimes it's hard to distinguish between candida and mercury symptoms, which is why it's wise to treat both regardless.

Mercury can cause cold body temperature, tremors, swollen tongue, severe mood swings, unnatural fears, paranoias, withdrawal hermit type behaviours, obsessive thoughts/compulsive behaviours, metal taste in the mouth, metal smell on the body, excessive/uncontrollable crying and/or salivating spells, depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts, grey discolouration in the mouth or even on the genitals (where it should be pink), difficult in sweating (or excessive sweating), suseptibility to yeast/pathogens and many many other bizzare symptoms that are often hard to even describe.

candida can cause many also and may even cause some of the ones above, or cross over! If you have any of these symptoms, it maybe likely you are indeed mercury toxic and/or suffering candida. Candida however does not usually occur in isolation (unless it's a temporary case of it caused by antibiotics). Candida usually overgrows when a person's immunity is no longer able to keep it contained at natural levels. Mercury is one cause, virus maybe another, infections etc.

Anyway, sorry for rambling, but I hope some of this might help. Im sorry about not knowing about what level of mercury is "normal" in the blood and what is high. As I said, I don't believe that testing for it is always an accurate report of what maybe going on. Everybody is different.


Re: Mercury Level from blood test #35258
04/29/08 01:47 PM
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VASILIOSKN  Offline OP
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Thanks for your reply! I was wondering, have you ever had blood tests done for mercury? It seems weird that mine came back "high".

I defiently feel like I have chronic mercury poisoning (i have 11 fillers first few started in my early teens) I just wish I was 100% sure that its that and not just this stupid candida of which my doctor disregarded as a joke.

Re: Mercury Level from blood test #35259
04/29/08 02:51 PM
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VASILIOSKN  Offline OP
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Also, my mood swings and depression has been sooooo off the wall the past year or so. I used to hide it better until recently. Im starting to think my doctor and even some friends think Im going crazy or just "thinking too much". It is sometimes too much for me to handle, my head feels like its not all worth it. Losing hope....

Ive felt like my body has always been struggling and fighting no matter how healthy i eat and excersize. Most of my family tease me and critisize me for being a "health freak" but I cant help that...is that my bodies reaction to whats poisoning me? I feel like if i havent been so naturally health consious all these years my body would be so much worse off now than it already is...

Re: Mercury Level from blood test #35260
04/29/08 05:20 PM
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Had you eaten fish recently when you took the test? I'm not sure, but I think it is unusual to turn up high in the blood as it settles into tissues pretty quickly. Since it did come back high I would definitely look at mercury as a possible source of your symptoms. Testing for mercury does appear to be tricky. I had a hair test several years ago and the mercury came up very low so we just stuck with treating candida. I stayed on my diet very strictly but could never get rid of the candida. Even a piece of fruit would trigger symptoms. Last summer, another doctor really felt I had symptoms of mercury, so he gave me a challenge test which was a urine test collected after taking oral DMPS (a chelator). My mercury came back very elevated. I got my last two fillings out (most were replaced years ago) and that triggered severe symptoms (that's another way to figure out if your symptoms are mercury related). Many of my symptoms are gone - I still struggle with candida but it is very mild compared to what it used to be and I am still detoxifying. Do you have other symptoms - gastrointestinal, ear ringing, sinus infections, muscle twitching, fatigue, etc.? I would not think a hematologist will be of much help - you need someone who specializes in toxicity - and a good dentist to get those fillings out of your mouth safely. Don't worry too much about your family - I have been through that. As you continue to educate yourself on health and get well, some of them will be coming to you for advice.

Re: Mercury Level from blood test #35261
04/29/08 06:32 PM
04/29/08 06:32 PM
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Well, it may not be weird that your blood levels came back high, because you still have amalgams in your mouth. That maybe why. Blood levels usually reduce after amalgams are replaced, but unfortunately the stored mercury starts to dump out again later, as the body makes an attempt to detox the storage. This only happens after all amalgams are gone, seems to set off a detox mechanism. This can hit at anytime following amalgam removal. Different for everybody. Commonly it occurs about 6 months after.

I had tests done post amalgam removal, so that might be why I showed only low levels. The mercury from the blood no doubt would have pretty much gone, but the stored mercury, being bound up for the most part, was very much there.

To get any levels, a person usually has to have a recent exposure and yours is ongoing, as you still have amalgams. But again, testing for levels of mercury is not always indicative of how poisoned a person is, as I've said, low levels does not always mean "low" levels, as mercury is often bound up.

It is highly likely you are poisoned up to the gills with it. It's much more common than people think. Candida is just a side effect of mercury or any other immune challenge/toxicity. It just comes along for the ride because the body isn't healthy enough to keep it at normal levels. Treating candida is wise, but getting to the source of the problem is also very wise. Hopefully you are doing that by investigating your amalgams as a possible cause of these problems.


Re: Mercury Level from blood test #35262
04/29/08 07:26 PM
04/29/08 07:26 PM
Bann  Offline
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VASILIOSKN,

You are not alone... That's exactly how I am feeling about all this right now...


I feel like people/my family think I'm a complete nut, because I'm always searching and thinking about things that will harm you/be good for you. That's all I know , and am living right now, it's hard to hide my madness. It's so hard to get better. I can't just run around all day like a healthy person does and have forgotten how much health I have lost, until I see others keep going after normal shopping. I did get the last one out today (My 10th/final one removed today <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/boogie.gif" alt="" /><img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/boogie.gif" alt="" /><img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/boogie.gif" alt="" />). I've already seen improvements in my energy level, my thought process, and memory. It's no where near where it should be, but it is getting better. Although I still have my days where my balance is not good, and I'm confused when other's are not.

It feels very freeing to:
#1 to finally know what is wrong with me
#2 being able to actually take action and not feel like I'm wasting away out of my control any longer
#3 a relief- to see lots of improvements just with the removal of the amalgams
#4 to have this talk forum to relate to, with so many self educated people fighting just like I am (the post that I've read are really right on with what I've learned. I trust this forum based on that and am so grateful to have learned a lot of information that gets pooled together. I don't go anywhere else for information. Bex , Sunshine and a few more have helped me with in a few weeks now...

You sound like me and we have about the same amount of Mercury fillings. You are normal to me because that's how I am...

Beth<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/byebye.gif" alt="" />

Re: Mercury Level from blood test #35263
04/30/08 02:26 PM
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VASILIOSKN  Offline OP
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I contacted Dr. Golden in New York and have scheduled to remove all my fillings in a span of 3 days. (including one break day) She recommend i see a naturopath to schedule a vit c IV drip post mercury removal and also do an Ozone IV post mercury removal . What do you guys think?

Beth, you have made me feel much better, thank you. You seem like a normal person to me as well. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thankyoutwirl.gif" alt="" />

Re: Mercury Level from blood test #35264
05/01/08 06:52 AM
05/01/08 06:52 AM
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Hi Bann

Congrats…Amalgam free at last! Happy happy dayz!!!!!! I remember when I had mine finally out….oh so happy……1st November 2007 mine was. I did get sick from all the dental visits, but even so…..was such a relief to finally get all the toxic slag OUT!

Well done, half the job is done now! That’s understanding the problem and removing the source of the problem. Next up is supporting your toxic body and getting the mercury in your organs safely out. If you read the Cutler book you will find a fine road map for your recovery.

Good luck Bann, and well done. Makes me really happy to see people taking charge of their health!
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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident."

Sunshine
Re: Mercury Level from blood test #35265
05/01/08 06:54 AM
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Hi Vasilioskn and welcome.

You don’t need no blood tests to confirm your mercury toxicity! 11 amalgams in your mouth….and a loads of nasty problems that will not go away no matter what you do…..looks like mercury poisoning from here. If you read “Amalgam Illness” by Andrew Cutler you will be able to self diagnose yourself, understand that all your problems are the result of mercury poisoning, understand that its not all in your head, understand that you are not mental and then be able to make informed decisions on how to get the mercury out of your organs and how to support your buggered up body.
Amalgam removal is just part 1 of getting better. Some people just magically get better after amalgam removal, but most have to battle hard. Chelation and multiple other supports. And……I have not found a doctor to help me yet. (well there are loads of doctors and they either know nothing about mercury, or just enough to really hurt you.) I have had to become my own doctor. Its been hard work, but I assure you it is most rewarding to actually get better from the actions I have taken.

You gonna have all 11 fillings out in 3 days? How much reading have you done on this? I believe you should go into this with eyes wide open, read “its all in your head” by Hal Huggins…..will explain lots of important things. I chose not to have mine out like that. I chose to have mine out per quadrant. I planned to have mine out as quick as possible…but didn’t turn out like that because each set of amalgams removed cause me to get badly ill for about 3-4 weeks, that was with protection too. some people are fine, some people not…I was not. It is most important to recover from each removal before the next appointment. In the end…took me 9 months (of hell) to complete amalgam removal (although I did bugger it up by getting my first out without protection.)

Anyway….whatever you do…good luck. There is nothing wrong with delaying your appointments until you are happy and u know what you are getting into. Getting better is not as simple as just removaling the amalgams…it is however a necessary evil. (IMHO) delaying by a couple of weeks will make no difference to your health…those amalgams have been in there for years!


"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident."

Sunshine
Re: Mercury Level from urine test #35266
05/06/08 04:08 PM
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I recently did a heavy metal urine test(" unprovoked") and mercury result was 10ppm & the nutritionist said this is a "very high level" Does anyone know if this is high?
In "Amalgam illness" book
the urine mercury is measured in some other units (mcg I think?) so I cannot compare.
Thanks

Re: Mercury Level from urine test #35267
05/06/08 05:06 PM
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I don’t think it means anything except you are mercury toxic. The numbers mean nothing because they vary from person to person and there is no way to tell how much you got in you or how much is coming out, nor where the mercury is stored in you.

I’m pretty sure the only thing it means is you have a mercury problem and you shouldn’t try to read anything else into it. (but correct me if I’m wrong)


"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident."

Sunshine
Re: Mercury Level from urine test #35268
05/07/08 05:08 AM
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Nope, you are of course right...
I suppose I am just curious and wanted to compare results in amalgam illness book.
When family asked me was it high I told them what you just told me.And said that it's also likely that the test would show up different amounts each time tested.
I was so surprised that it showed at all.

Re: Mercury Level from urine test #35269
05/08/08 11:20 PM
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I just took one, unprovoked also. Mine was 1 ppm. Yours could be considered *very* high, compared to mine OR I am just not excreting it as well as you, therefore, you are healthier than I am. I will tell you, I feel EXTREMELY toxic right now, and have for months. I honestly have felt close to death. I hope I can excrete all of this out...so I would say it's probably a good thing it's high, at least you are getting rid of it!


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Re: Mercury Level from urine test #35270
05/09/08 12:34 PM
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mommy,
I am going to do another urine test monday morning and will get results in 10 days...It be interesting to see any difference,
I also feel extremmely poisoned,some nights my body burns like it desperately needs to sweat but just wont break a sweat...feel very poisoned for months too.And sometimes felt very close to death too...I had spiritual experiences where I felt God was holding me in his hands and I just asked not to be taken yet.I dont want to leave my son.
But you are right I seem to be excreting it which is flipping great!

Re: Mercury Level from blood test #35271
05/09/08 02:53 PM
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Welcome VASILIOSKN,

I am new here also. Hearing you describe your symptoms sounded like the way I would have described what I have been going through since November of last year. It was the beginning of a nightmare. I had 9 amalgam fillings and had a terrible reaction after getting the fluy shot and the pneumonia shot at the same time! (Big mistake!!) My left side of my body went numb and I began to feel very ill right after. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> It sent me over the edge! I began researching and came across mercury poisoning and went to see a holistic dentist. He told me my amalgams were leaking and to make a long story short, I had all my amalgams removed 30 days apart with no more than 3 per quad (only did that once because I didn't want to be numbed again later) The rest were removed 2 @ a time. I could barely handle that and he took every safety protocol possible, so depending on how you feel, you may reconsider getting all your amalgams out in such a short period of time! I have been amalgam free since February 21, 2008! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" /> But it was a long road to get where I am today I know that I still have a long road ahead of me. The suggested I do the challenge test but I knew that was what was causing my symptoms and decided to do all natural chelation fo rnow and I plan to do the DMSA or ALA when I get my parasite symptoms under control. My advice would be to listen to Bex, Sunshine and others who advocate hydrotherapy or bowel cleansing, you will be surprised at how much better you feel if you stick to it. Good luck! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/byebye.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Mercury Level from blood test #35272
05/09/08 03:25 PM
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VASILIOSKN  Offline OP
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Thanks for all the replies, its been a great help!

Angelbaby, I am going next Tuesday to start removing them, Im thinking she will do 3 at a time. If i can handle it easily then I will try to do more on the next visit. I'll let you know how it goes. Im preparing to take about 5000mg ofvitamin C that day!

Sunflower: Im doing a 24 hour urine test this monday, i will let you know the results. I have only done a blood test and that came back high after repeat analysis but New York will only take urine tests if you want to report your mercury poisoning to the health officials. Also, I have suffered from hyperhidrosis as far as i can remember (profuse and uncontrollable sweating in hands, feet, and armpits) Im not sure if this is a side effect of MErcury or if im lucky to have it beforehand to help get rid of it along the way...

Re: Mercury Level from blood test #35273
05/09/08 05:52 PM
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Hi Vasilioskn,<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/welcomesign.gif" alt="" />
sorry I never welcomed you to the forum before...I read all the new posts and always intend on replying at some stage...
so a Big late Welcome to the forum Vasiliosskn & Angel baby
too (I felt I could really relate to your story)
anyway,24 hr urine test, that will be interesting to find out.
Are you planning on reporting it to the health officials? good idea.I used to sweat and up untill some months ago I would sometimes have night sweats but the last few months bizarre symptoms.
It is now 7 months since I got the last of my amalgams replaced.I had 9 ,got 4 out & 8 wks later got 5 out and let me just say I wish I had gone much slower & got 1 or 2 at a time
,I felt so impatient to get the poison out of me but I did it way too fast,and suffered terribly.
I only discovered herballure after the first lot were done and so did not have a clue about charcoal,huge doses vit c (but not on the day of apt as it interferes with anasthetic),
showering as soon as possible after,all of that important stuff...
and it made a huge difference the 2nd time around.
Also if you are getting the local anasthetic,there are different kinds ,I know that if you have chronic fatigue it's best to get one without adrenaline added, as you probably make more than enough already...
I may have forgotten somethings & you probably already know all this but I tell you again just to be sure!!

About the sweating ,I just wondered is it hot or cold?
my hands and feet are usually v.cold even in summer
Now that I think of it my hands still sweat if I feel very stressed or nervous...

Anyway I wish you all the best for your apt on Tuesday <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/byebye.gif" alt="" />

Re: Mercury Level from blood test #35274
05/09/08 06:05 PM
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Hi Angel baby,<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/welcomesign.gif" alt="" />
I also had 9 fillings,all out now ,thankfully, but still trying to clean up the mess.
I also have never fully recovered from a meningitis vaccine,I got in 2001,
and also I get weakness all in the left side of my body.(is that also the side where you received the jabs?)
My right side is much stronger.Someone recently suggested realignment,which I'm looking into.
Also I'm going to do my 1st bowel/parasite cleanse asap

Have you been feeling any better since got fillings replaced?

Re: Mercury Level from blood test #35275
05/10/08 02:02 AM
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Sunflower said : doses vit c (but not on the day of apt as it interferes with anasthetic),

Well spotted Sunflower, she is correct, you should not take any vit C on the day of your dental appointment until afterwards because vit C stops the anasthetic from working and you will have some pain. if you have the option of a Vit C IV during the dental appointment, they say they are very good and well worth doing.


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Re: Mercury Level from blood test #35276
05/10/08 03:53 PM
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Thanks Sunflower and thanks for sharing. I enjoy learning all I can from reading everyone's personal experience. I too had the sweating problem after I received the flu and pneumonia vaccines. It was awful. I had cold sweats and my feet and hands were always cold and numb/tingly. I would have probably rushed through getting my fillings out quickly but my health was in such bad shape after reading up on what can happen if you rush, I was terrified to suffer any more that I already was. I have heard that realignment helps to balance out the effects of vaccines that cause weakness on the side that was jabbed but I have not tried it myself. It does sound like it could help. I feel better after my amalgam removal but it was not easy. I am sure that the Vitamin C IV helped me a lot and I had one @ each of my four visits. Althought, I had a rough month right after removal and I was told it is because I was battling ascarais, giardia lambia and candida infestation!!! Yuck! I am currently awaiting to receive my first parasite cleanse and bowel cleanse from Humaworm and I am anxious to kill them off and continue to support my adrenal glands so that I can better handle my chelation after the humaworm treatment is over. I can definitely tell a difference. Metallic taste gone, tingling/palpitations/panick attacks, not as bad, and impending feeling of doom is not as intense. How are you feeling overall post amalgam removal<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/questionmark.png" alt="" /><img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/questionmark.png" alt="" />:


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Re: Mercury Level from blood test #35277
05/14/08 07:20 PM
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VASILIOSKN  Offline OP
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Hey all! I postponed my first removal till next week to complete all my urine/bloodwork. I want to make sure all the levels are correct since I will be doing the same thing a few months after I remove all my fillings to see if there is a difference.

Today has been hell though. Couldnt sleep, ive been writing weird things on my wall, and just have had enough.

Re: Mercury Level from blood test #35278
05/15/08 12:01 PM
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Vasilioskn,
sorry you've had a rough day...Great idea postponing removal,I just reread "It's all in your head"Hal Huggins the other day...and wished I'd done the same and kept a more detailed record of things.
Take it nice & slow,at your own pace & do it properly...
Your health is so precious.
Sometimes I feel I've had enough too but it always passes...crap to go through though, Hope you are feeling better

Re: Mercury Level from urine test #35279
05/19/08 09:44 AM
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µg/gram is the same as PPM
µg = microgram
PPM - parts per million
I don't know why chelation urine tests are done (especially when using chelation agents such as DMPS or DMSA as I had terrible side effects not from the agent itself (500mgs of DMPS to be specific) but from the moblized mercury that dumps into other areas of your body. ) when you can be checked first and foremost by submitting a random urine sample for a porphyrin test. On pg 93 of his book "It's All In Your Mouth", he states that "the urine porphyrin test is perhaps the best indicator of heavy metal toxicity."
This from "Urine Porphyrin Profile Test for Mercury" as per - and please read - http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/new/urine_porphyrin_test.html
"Porphyrin (poor' fur rin) Profile Testing
Dental Truth Magazine
Spring-Summer 2007 edition

by Leo Cashman, Executive Director of DAMS

This heavy metal toxicity test is being used for non-invasive, safe, and accurate mercury toxicity testing. It is available from several labs in the US and a lab in Paris, France. Rather than looking for mercury in the urine directly, this test looks for effects of mercury, namely an elevation of certain proteins called porphyrins that are showing up in the urine. Normally porphyrins are processed in the body, through a series of chemical reactions, into heme, which is made into hemoglobin or which is used in the making of energy in the ATP cycle. But mercury poisons the enzymes that are needed in the process of making the heme, causing a buildup in the body of excess levels porphyrins. The excessive porphyrins are excreted in the urine. Mercury in our body can thus be detected by measuring the amount of porphyrins in the urine and looking for the distinctive profile of these porphyrins caused by mercury poisoning. The porphyrin known as "precoproporphyrin," is particularly elevated by the action of mercury.

Porphyrin testing is done at several US labs: Metametrix Clinical Laboratory, 800-221-4640; Great Plains Lab, 888-347-2781; and Laboratory Corporation of America, www.labcorp.com."

"Dr. Boyd Haley presented a paper to the FDA Advisory panel during the 2006 meeting on mercury fillings and neurological diseases, showing why he thinks provocative or challenge urine tests are not so accurate. The provacative tests only measure how much mercury an individual is excreting into their urine. There is no way to measure the body burden of mercury in a person, except through an autopsy."

As per "Testing For Mercury & Other Heavy Metals" - please read - http://www.beatcfsandfms.org/html/CheckForHg.html

"Do a Porphyrin Test

The best way to see mercury that was absorbed into the cells in the past is a Porphyrin Analysis test. This involves sending a urine sample to a lab. If Coproporphyria III is high, this indicates mercury had been there. For an example of such a test, please click here. For more information on these kinds of tests, please contact Mayo Medical Labs, TEL 800-533-1710. For Professor James Wood's evidence that Porphyrin Analysis can detect past mercury exposures, please click here REFERENCE #5. To get this test, you will need to work with a Doc that has an account with a lab that does this test (e.g. Mayo Medical Labs) and who is willing to run this test. Your local Doc may not be willing to do this unless you print out the Professor James Woods study and place it in front of your Doc and tell him you'll pay for it (most Doc's know nothing about all this). If your Doc does not work with you, it is recommended that you work through an Internet Doc that specializes in CFS/FMS. For a list of these, click here. Signs of high Copro II in severe cases would be: reddish colored urine, and pain one inch to the right of the belly button (ileocal value). The Porphyrin test will see both inorganic (Amalgam) and organic (Fish) mercury that is inside the liver cells. It will also show the levels of several enzymes used to manufacture blood. These enzymes can be disabled from things like Lead, Arsenic, Alcohol, Cadmium, Nickel, H2S (hydrogen sulfide), and other poisonous chemicals."

If you read Hal Higgins book, there is a whole chapter on 'Diagnosing Mercury Toxicity' and he describes all the chemical indicators through blood, urine and hair samples that can indicate mercury toxicity.
I think and feel if toxicity is suspect, then other tests can and should be run first before a heavy metal tox screen with a chelating agent is introduced to a patient.
Kindest regards
D

Re: Mercury Level from urine test #35280
05/21/08 01:10 PM
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VASILIOSKN  Offline OP
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Well I had my first two fillings removed yesterday. It took almost two hours I believe, and went very well! I felt no pain, and of course my dentist had the rubber damn, oxygen through my nose, air filers, etc. all in place. I did not take Vitamin C that day because I was told it could lessen the time of numbness. BUT i did take selenium, milk thistle, acai, and echinacea. Also, about 20 minutes before AND after i took 500mg of activated charcoal.

I was exhausted after the procedure and went home to take a nap (I think it was because i got up so early for it)
Today I feel fine, and noticed some color on my face. Not sure if it was because of the charcoal or the removal of the two fillings. I also feel fine. When do I start feeling sick from the removal?

My next 2 removals are June 4th, and i cant wait! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/runner.gif" alt="" />

Re: Mercury Level from urine test #35281
05/21/08 04:31 PM
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/twothumbsup.gif" alt="" /> Congrats Vasilioskn!!!

Sounds like the removal went very well and things were done correctly. I used to resume the vitamin C right after removal. It helps with the toxins you get exposed to during removal and the anaesthetic also, as the body needs to clear those out and for some people they need all the help they can get.

I hope that the rest of your removals goes just as well (I don't see why they shouldn't). As for the worsening of symptoms? It is different for everybody, you can't predict what will happen. It depends how much mercury you have stored in your tissues and organs too. I had a huge accummulation of it because I retain toxins strongly anyway, so you can only imagine! Perhaps that tendency was caused by the mercury in the first place. I hear it can alter the way the body works and mess things up.....so the things that are required to eliminate toxins, maybe unbalanced by the mercury itself. Or I was already like that in the first place, who knows?

There is a mercury dump that is spoken of and it can hit a person post amalgam removal anytime. Typically it's apparently about 6 months post removal. With some people it can occur earlier (e.g. 3 months), some it can occur much later (one year or more, like it did with me). Some people get worse immediately following the removal, then improve and go into a kind of remission...then they can get hit by the dumping stage later on unexpectedly. Some feel better immediately and may remain much improved from then on. Some feel better immediately and then get hit by symptoms later on and go through a roller coaster ride....

It is very individual. It is wise to start chelating early on to reduce as much mercury as you can before this dump stage hits. There is no telling if you'll go through that or not. I wouldn't worry too much about it at this stage. Just take things step by step.


Re: Mercury Level from urine test #35282
05/22/08 06:30 AM
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Congrats Vasilioskn….Thats great news…keep up the good work. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/kewldance.gif" alt="" />

When will you start feeling sick???? With some people its right away, some people its a couple of weeks later, some people just get better…everyone is different. Just keep good care of yourself for the time being.


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Re: Mercury Level from urine test #35283
05/22/08 02:14 PM
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Vasilioskn,
Well done !That's great news,glad you took all those precautions too.
I remember how good it felt to get those out.And I felt like celebrating after! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/horray.gif" alt="" />
But try not to overdo it even if you feel great,I know I did and I've read a few similar stories here too!But its true we are all different.I hope this is the start of you recovering 100%.


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