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Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt report
#35366
05/02/08 03:06 PM
05/02/08 03:06 PM
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I got this from http://www.klinghardt.org Ill copy and paste part of his Mercury Toxicity report: Two Months Prior to Removal Do the Following Four Items: 1. Vitamins and minerals. Start on vitamin E 400 units per day and use a high quality mineral supplement. Selenium 2-400 mcg should be part of the mineral replacements. Deficiencies of hydrochloric acid will impair mineral absorption. One should check for adequacy of hydrochloric acid secretion and take the appropriate acid supplement if indicated. The sternal reflex point described above is a useful tool in this determination. 2. Start on chlorella. Establish the highest tolerated level. If excessive mercury is mobilized, the patient will become symptomatic with nausea, heartburn, diarrhea, a flu-like illness, and headache. The lower the tolerated amount, the more intracellular mercury toxicity is present. The tolerated level ranges often from 1/10 teaspoon to one tablespoon (1/2-14 capsules). Give no more than one tablespoon (14 caps) /day initially. Stay on the daily dose days 1-8. On day 9 and 10, take ten-fold that amount, but no more than 3 tablespoons (60 caps) /day. On day 11 and 12, pause. And then, start over. Take with meals in divided doses. 3. MSM should be used as described above. 4. Cilantro, fresh or pesto, is also used as described above. The Day of Removal and Afterwards 1. If the patient were compromised it would be best to remove only one filling and observe how they tolerate the procedure. If they tolerate the removal they can then proceed to one or two quadrant removal based on the number of fillings present. 2. The day of the dental work (amalgam removal), take 20 caps Chlorella immediately before dentistry. After the fillings are removed, open 2 capsules, sprinkle onto teeth, mix with saliva, and keep in mouth for 10 minutes to mop up metal residues. Don't swallow. Instead, spit out and rinse mouth. Repeat both steps after procedure is over. Repeat again that night. Then resume regular program. Also, take extra MSM and chlorella. 3. The mercury /tin/silver antibody titer may rise over 2-6 weeks after the first removal. Don't remove more fillings during this time in order to avoid acute “immune breakdowns.” Either finish all 4 quadrants in the first weeks or have a session every 2-3 months. 4. Don't stop detox program until patient is asymptomatic. This can be as long as 3-4 years in some cases.
So what do you guys think? BTW I got this link from my biological dentist, and she recommends I take Chlorella before my filling removal.
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Re: Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt report
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05/03/08 02:27 AM
05/03/08 02:27 AM
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Two Months Prior to Removal Do the Following Four Items: 1. Vitamins and minerals. Start on vitamin E 400 units per day and use a high quality mineral supplement. Selenium 2-400 mcg should be part of the mineral replacements. Deficiencies of hydrochloric acid will impair mineral absorption. One should check for adequacy of hydrochloric acid secretion and take the appropriate acid supplement if indicated. The sternal reflex point described above is a useful tool in this determination. - this is ok, but some people need to be real careful with selenium as it can produce some nasty symptoms at the higher doses. He does not warn you of this….so I think this is bad advice. 2. Start on chlorella. Establish the highest tolerated level. If excessive mercury is mobilized, the patient will become symptomatic with nausea, heartburn, diarrhea, a flu-like illness, and headache. The lower the tolerated amount, the more intracellular mercury toxicity is present. The tolerated level ranges often from 1/10 teaspoon to one tablespoon (1/2-14 capsules). Give no more than one tablespoon (14 caps) /day initially. Stay on the daily dose days 1-8. On day 9 and 10, take ten-fold that amount, but no more than 3 tablespoons (60 caps) /day. On day 11 and 12, pause. And then, start over. Take with meals in divided doses. - this is crazy and IMHO completely wrong. Taking chlorella with amalgams in place is just too dangerous (IMHO) and you are asking for big big trouble. You will be mobilising mercury from your body AND for amalgam fillings. There is little you can do to control the dosage accurately. Mobilising mercury like that can cause massive redistribution. If you had a protocol taking chlorella when amalgams are out, then maybe I could say that might be not so terribly bad, but even so, I would never take chlorella even with amalgams out. (I know others will disagree with that last sentence. Sos certainly will, but remember she has had her amalgams in her mouth for over 30 years…so a lot of mercury has already leaked out.) 3. MSM should be used as described above. -I would never take MSM either 4. Cilantro, fresh or pesto, is also used as described above. -again ditto as per chlorella…..this is just plain mega dangerous. There is absolutely no need to take such huge risks as this. I see repeated posts from people coming on mercury forums that have done these things with literally nightmare stories….horror stories that put people back YEARS in there health. Every week I read these horror stories! EVERY WEEK! don’t let it happen to you! All these points, 1,2,3,4 will cause huge mobilising of mercury. When you mess with the mercury you need to be real careful and slow….kid gloves are needed. One day of this protocol could set you back 1 year in your health if mercury redistributes to your brain. The Day of Removal and Afterwards
1. If the patient were compromised it would be best to remove only one filling and observe how they tolerate the procedure. If they tolerate the removal they can then proceed to one or two quadrant removal based on the number of fillings present. – ok that’s fine. I agree. 2. The day of the dental work (amalgam removal), take 20 caps Chlorella immediately before dentistry. After the fillings are removed, open 2 capsules, sprinkle onto teeth, mix with saliva, and keep in mouth for 10 minutes to mop up metal residues. Don't swallow. Instead, spit out and rinse mouth. Repeat both steps after procedure is over. Repeat again that night. Then resume regular program. Also, take extra MSM and chlorella. – ok sorry, this is just a pile of $hit. This man wants to kill you. He has no understanding of how these things can backfire. This is so so dangerous! No, 100pct this is a crock of $hit. Please please print this out, pin it to your wall and write in big red pen….DEATH WISH……. Please please buy “Amalgam Illness” by Andrew Cutler. This book will explain everything…all your symptoms, all your troubles, what the crazy protocols will do to you, how to, as safely as possible, get the mercury out of you. There is no need to take so many risks like this protocol does when there is a perfectly good and safe protocol with proven track records….the Cutler protocol. Ther are no short cuts in getting better from mercury poisoning. Every short cut you take has the potential to seriously hurt you and put your health back. Do not rush things, you need to educate first, then take actions. I must say….well done for asking about this protocol! Top stuff…you just saved yourself a lot of pain and suffering! (assuming you don’t follow this deathwish protocol that is.)
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident."
Sunshine
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Re: Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt report
#35368
05/03/08 02:36 AM
05/03/08 02:36 AM
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Not sure if you know what I mean by “mercury redistribution”??? what it means is the mercury is picked up, by chlorella for example, then moved to another location in your body…could be liver, kidneys, thyroid, adrenals…really could be anywhere…but the real serious problems occur when it resettles on your brain….you do not want that, I promise you. There is no way of predicting where it will redistribute to…so some people do these crazy protocols and are fine, then one day….boom…..redistrubution to the brain and they are screwed…and big time screwed.
You need to take a chelator that picks up the mercury and escorts it out of the body, so it needs to hold on tight to the mercury and not drop it along the way to be redistributed.
Buy the Cutler book, I promise you will then be able to make proper informed decisions on how to get better…will be the best $35 you send in a long long time.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident."
Sunshine
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Re: Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt report
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05/03/08 02:42 AM
05/03/08 02:42 AM
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I have to echo Sunshine here. No exaggeration, if you are one of those people that have issues with sulfur foods/supplements, this regime may REALLY hurt you! When I was very mercury toxic, high sulfur foods (supplements especially) would do a number on me. All they did for the most part was bounce the mercury around more widly without actually doing much to get it out. Sure, perhaps a bit came out in the process, but at a high cost. I would sometimes be severely ill after using just chlorella alone and could take me months to recover. I got away with eggs sometimes and high sulfur vegetables, but even then it could hurt. But never to the point of chlorella, garlic etc. Though oddly enough I could handle garlic supplements when I still had amalgams. Post amalgam removal? That's when these things REALLY hurt me, which I gather is because my body went from storage mode into detox mode once all amalgams were out of me. Using high sulfur will mobilise the metals, but may not do such a good job at eliminating them if you are one of those people like me who tend to retain the metals, rather than excrete them, and/or you are hypersensitive to the metals. It is NOT ok to go through hell on earth just to detox a bit of metal. It is normal to experience a worsening of symptoms for sure, but not to the point of almost insanity/agony. This is a case of re-tox, rather than detox many times. A redistribution of metals to such a degree as to wind up sometimes in more sensitive areas (brain being one). The symptoms from it were so horrific for me, that a few times I was close to being committed. Not just with chlorella, but anything that bounced the mercury around, including taking chelating agents in the wrong manner. Everybody is different and you will get some people that actually do very well on sulfur foods and/or supplements. They are very low in sulfur and their body needs to. Some are not low and the extra sulfur does not much more than bounce mercury around. These products do have the ability to move mercury but apparently they only have one thiol group, instead of two, which means they don't grab onto the metals strongly enough, so they just shift it around. I'll give you an example of what high sulfur supplements could do to me whilst I was mercury burdened. Screaming, crying, salivating excessively and uncontrollably, almost tearing my hair out and sometimes I would wind up on the floor. I was literally feeling like I was going insane. Now this is NOT ok! This is NOT ok, even if the person may detox a bit of mercury in the process. It's unacceptable and something that I regret bitterly because who knows what damage may have been done, I repeated this often because I didn't know any other way and was so desperate to get rid of the metals, I was almost willing to cause myself this much agony to do so, instead of waiting it out and feeling chronically poisoned everyday. Yes, I did lose a bit of metals along the way doing this and as I said, at what price? My body had no choice but to become acutely poisoned during this because I forced the mercury into going everywhere by taking products that mobilised it, rather than grabbed on tightly and escorting it out (which is what andy cutler's protocol does). Finally, I got onto Andy Cutler's protocol (DMSA, every 4 hour routine) and was able to start shifting the metals out properly, more speedily and more much safely. Yes I felt quite revolting during detox, I could not avoid this. Anytime you increase the rate toxins come out, the symptoms also increase. Yet sometimes it helped me feel better, so it was a combination of feeling revolting and yet more balanced. Hard to explain. Sometimes I felt worse and more depressed, other times better. But I never had the same insane type of detox symptoms I had with the other ways. In hindsight I could have made it even easier and lessened the dose on cutler's protocol and lessened the time I was on it. I actually put myself through more than I had to. This is when I began to make more progress and shortened my time of mercury chelation and recovery. Before that, I wasted much time in taking anything and everything because I didn't know what to do. Thank goodness for Cutler. He may not suit everybody, we are all different, but he's a pretty good bet. Please check out the cutler testimonies on this forum. http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/sh...&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
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Re: Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt report
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05/03/08 05:01 PM
05/03/08 05:01 PM
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Hi, I just want to point out something here.
I understand that this guy (Dr Klinghardt) has helped thousands of people and I think this deserves mention here. There are many many protocols for mercury toxicity out there and people do respond differently to different protocols. Some do wonderfully on chlorella and the like, as I said, some do not.
I just want to make clear that I was not on HIS protocol, and this is not to put HIM down specifically. I'm just trying to point out that when using chlorella and other things, i was doing it pretty much anyway, (my way) and not following any specific protocol and moving my mercury no doubt all over the place. So I want it to be known that this was not to sling mud at this doctor who has obviously been a godsend in many people's lives. I just want to state that it would seem that sulfur products like chlorella and MSM may cause problems in certain people with mercury, yet be wonderful in others.
It is down to what suits each person. I can only state that cutler's protocol was more stable for me, as I had a really bad case of mercury and tend to retain it and as I am hypsensitive as well, any stirring up of the mercury would had me almost a basket case. I could not even take an isolated dose of DMSA. The only method was frequent dosing of DMSA to keep the movement of metals more even.
Some people may not find cutler's such a help. Some may find Dr Klinghardt's the way to go. And sometimes we have to find that out ourselves. I've also seen that others on here have followed a different protocol from yet another doctor and done excellently. So there is no telling really what someone is going to respond well to or not.
Also, another note. A dentist here (one of the best) uses his own protocol on patients with success. He won't change it because it's been extremely effective. He uses detox nutrients, plus NDF (which contains nanonised chlorella/cilantro etc). Diet and yeast treatment is also a big part of it, becuase it allows for the gut and liver to better eliminate toxins. Trying to move/remove mercury with a loaded gut and liver is a bad thing no matter WHICH protocol you use. Anyway, many patients have done well on his protocol, yet for me? I was quite intolerant to it. Again this shows how individual this is and my issues with most things that mobilised/detoxed mercury were no doubt due to a problem with my system eliminating what's been moved around.
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Re: Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt report
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05/04/08 12:11 PM
05/04/08 12:11 PM
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Thanks for the heads up guys. Ive contacted me dentist and was told it was safe, and to use a safe chlorella. Ummm i had no idea there was a safe one and an unsafe one?
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Re: Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt report
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05/04/08 05:23 PM
05/04/08 05:23 PM
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Hi Vasilioskn,
If this protocol is ok for you, then great. But if you find yourself not handling the symptoms, then it may not be suitable. It is going to be down to you personally as to how you will handle products like chlorella and MSM etc. For me it wasn't just certain protocols, it was also certain agents that I found intolerable. Garlic supplements as I mentioned were another one (again very high in sulfur). Yet oddly enough, garlic was great when I still had amalgams. That I don't quite understand, but I gather lots of things change when you remove amalgams.
I don't think it would have matter how I had taken chlorella, either way I used to get intolerable symptoms and then later started to vomit with it (which is not all that rare). But then I think there are forms of chlorella that don't tend to cause that (broken cell walled chlorella, which apparently is easier to digest).
I admit that I think chlorella did indeed rid me of some mercury, but I'm not sure if the symptoms I experienced when using it were worth that or not. Certainly healing crisis or worsening of symptoms is often expected and can be a sign that things are definitely working, but one should always keep an eye on those symptoms and make sure it's not driving you into agony! I got that alot and with many things, so again, I consider I am probably a more extreme case.
If you do decide to try this protocol, let us know how it goes. I'd start slow and go easy. No matter what protocol it is to see how you handle it. It is normal to feel worse and sometimes alot worse, but to a point where you can still cope.
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