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Tooth Soap, regrowing cavities ??
#35902
05/26/08 06:08 PM
05/26/08 06:08 PM
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Ive heard people mention white fillings may not be any better than mercury fillings, but what if you could regrow your teeth ?? Who knows, two sides to every story ? I found this video on rawfoodtalk.com, http://youtube.com/watch?v=ahJljKaw0rM and theres a second one out there too.
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Re: Tooth Soap, regrowing cavities ??
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05/27/08 10:40 AM
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also ,maybe just regular soap would work, but not the commercial ones.
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Re: Tooth Soap, regrowing cavities ??
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05/27/08 06:37 PM
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Yes, regular bar soap apparently works. Because it cleanses the teeth properly without leaving a film that toothpaste leaves behind, which then allows for the teeth re-mineralise. You need supplement calcium, phosphate, magnesium, vitamin C etc in the diet too. I think diet is of upmost importance to this. Sugar can also hinder uptake of nutrients/minerals. So that's why I reckon it can contribute to tooth decay. not so much it's direct effect on teeth themselves, but inside the body and the damage it can cause. Teeth/gums are often a reflection of what's going on inside.
E.g. one round of antibiotics caused gum recession in my bottom teeth. They never grew back. So I do my best with my diet, my supplements and try and control it as best I can. I do ok, but if I let to of my dental hygeine regime, I am in trouble. I also found after those antibiotics that I now get ongoing calcus, which seems to get the inside of the two bottom teeth more than the others. I have to get rid of that nearly every 2 days. Never had that before the antibiotics!
I have tried the soap solution, but didn't find it really did much for me to be honest. But have heard it has for others and some have had really good results. I just went back the toothpaste after awhile because for some reason it suits me better.
It is bar soap, or tooth soap, but not liquid soap. Liquid soap does not work apparently and shouldn't be used.
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Re: Tooth Soap, regrowing cavities ??
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05/27/08 10:40 PM
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Interesting post. I am trying to figure out how to make sure I don't have any more deterioration of my teeth. All of this suffering was so unnecessary. It is interesting Bex that antibiotics caused damage to your gums. Here is an article from Natural News (I may buy that book discussed here). http://www.naturalnews.com/022564.htmlIt talks about how Indigenous people (who had no cavities) had carbohydrate sugars left on their teeth all the time - but they were fermented. So obviously probiotic food had a protective effect. Clearly probiotics are important not only for gastrointestinal health but for your teeth and gums. I stopped getting canker sores when I got the candida under control and added probiotics. I do eat a lot of sauerkraut and kimchi. I want to try fermented coconut water. Oil pulling has been working well for me. And I got to thinking what if you swished with a probiotic liquid for 15 to 20 minutes instead of oil. I may try it. We have learned that killing bacteria and fungus in the intestinal tract is not enough - we need the good bacteria to fight it. I read an article recently on using probiotic solutions in hospitals to fight bacterial infections and MRSA rather than just antibacterial agents. It seems to make sense that rather than just clean off the bacteria that if we had good bacteria in our mouth it would be beneficial - along with the good diet and the supplements you mentioned. I used to take a supplement called Bone Up. I have not taken it recently, but I just pulled out the bottle and the ingredients do look good. I stopped taking it because I didn't want to overlap with my other vitamins.
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Re: Tooth Soap, regrowing cavities ??
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05/28/08 08:05 PM
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The point Im making is, when you know your teeth are deteriorating, the answer isnt any longer get a filling, mercury or white or whatever, but we now have the information these days to grow them back. If peoples teeth deteriorate, its time for radical change, and as the saying goes, keep doing what youve always done, keep getting what youve always gotten,- so radically change your lifestyle to avoid getting fillings in the first place.
Also, If one does have mercury fillings, ideally in a perfect situation, one would grow back their teeth so much that they would pop out, and mercury fillings erode away so much through oil pulling and tooth soap that the teeth have a chance to grow back, or would the ideal scenario to be the mercury fillings removed properly, and then let the person heal their teeth naturally ??
Last edited by fuggles; 05/28/08 08:06 PM.
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Re: Tooth Soap, regrowing cavities ??
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05/28/08 11:23 PM
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Also, If one does have mercury fillings, ideally in a perfect situation, one would grow back their teeth so much that they would pop out, and mercury fillings erode away so much through oil pulling and tooth soap that the teeth have a chance to grow back, or would the ideal scenario to be the mercury fillings removed properly, and then let the person heal their teeth naturally ?? As there is no perfect situation, no perfect environment and no perfect uncontaminated food, (unless a person is living off the land themselves and the right nutrients are in the soil), in this imperfect world....I can't see that it would be possible personally. Unless a person is consuming unadulterated organic produce (meats, eggs, the lot) and mostly raw, everyday with everything else that would be required to heal cavities (which we probalby don't know how much would be needed).. I cannot see how teeth cavities can be properly repaired....I know it could happen in children because they are still growing, but I don't know how easy this would be to do in adults. I would imagine also that amalgams would have a part to play in preventing such a renewal also, as you are being poisoned the entire time you are trying to improve your health and heal cavities, which would likely hinder repair. So I'm certain they would need to be removed either way. I wish there was an ideal solution, but in a less than ideal world, I don't see that as being likely. Is it safe to have amalgams out and leave the cavities exposed? I don't know and will they repair? Again, I don't know. Would be great if they would! I think we'd all opt for it.
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Re: Tooth Soap, regrowing cavities ??
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05/29/08 08:32 AM
05/29/08 08:32 AM
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Also, If one does have mercury fillings, ideally in a perfect situation, one would grow back their teeth so much that they would pop out, and mercury fillings erode away so much through oil pulling and tooth soap that the teeth have a chance to grow back, or would the ideal scenario to be the mercury fillings removed properly, and then let the person heal their teeth naturally ?? As there is no perfect situation, no perfect environment and no perfect uncontaminated food, (unless a person is living off the land themselves and the right nutrients are in the soil), in this imperfect world....I can't see that it would be possible personally. Unless a person is consuming unadulterated organic produce (meats, eggs, the lot) and mostly raw, everyday with everything else that would be required to heal cavities (which we probalby don't know how much would be needed).. I cannot see how teeth cavities can be properly repaired....I know it could happen in children because they are still growing, but I don't know how easy this would be to do in adults. I would imagine also that amalgams would have a part to play in preventing such a renewal also, as you are being poisoned the entire time you are trying to improve your health and heal cavities, which would likely hinder repair. So I'm certain they would need to be removed either way. I wish there was an ideal solution, but in a less than ideal world, I don't see that as being likely. Is it safe to have amalgams out and leave the cavities exposed? I don't know and will they repair? Again, I don't know. Would be great if they would! I think we'd all opt for it. well, we've now established that cavities can grow back, like a fractured arm, maybe, or a broken arm. And to avoid having empty cavities, maybe one should strengthen their teeth through diet and special products like oil pulling and tooth soap before getting the amalgam removed, ?? or get it removed and replaced with a safer filling, then let the safer filling erode away and pop out with regrown tooth enamel ??
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Re: Tooth Soap, regrowing cavities ??
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05/29/08 02:10 PM
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the point im making is, for people who have the mercury fillings, a realistic situation of getting rid of them, forget the hypothetical situations, Ive given two realistic possibilities of regrowing the teeth, and re strengthening them ,
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Re: Tooth Soap, regrowing cavities ??
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05/29/08 05:58 PM
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Well, if it can be done, I'd go for it. Though I was on an excellent diet when I had amalgams and had improved my uptake of nutrients and minerals to such an extent, that my nails (for the first time) start to grow and look like normal nails. My teeth also became much improved, stronger, including the gums, but never once did any of my existing amalgams show any signs of coming out through repair of cavities....
Also, I was still poisoned by the mercury regardless of diet, which is why I could only get so far and no further. Poisoned everyday. Diet excellent, helped incredibly well, but was not a cure.
I'd say if someone wants to try this experiment, diet and perhaps the tooth soap as you suggested and oil pulling and maybe getting temporary replacements after amalgam removal may work. But again there is no guarantee of that. A person still has to eliminate mercury from their organs and tissues and this is a long process of detox and during that time a person remains still poisoned until enough mercury has been removed from their body to where they can truly begin to heal.
If someone's cavities are not too deep, they could probably get away with amalgam removal and leaving them. But if they are really deep, I don't see that as being a wise move to be honest. What about infection from exposure? Is that possible too?
I'd probably opt for temporary fillings, but I don't know how much that would hinder any possible repair of the cavities too.... I don't know enough about this, so I really don't know exactly what the conditions would need to be in order to have that repair take place and whether it requires having nothing filled in the teeth or it can still work if there is.
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Re: Tooth Soap, regrowing cavities ??
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06/01/08 09:51 AM
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Well, if it can be done, I'd go for it. Though I was on an excellent diet when I had amalgams and had improved my uptake of nutrients and minerals to such an extent, that my nails (for the first time) start to grow and look like normal nails. My teeth also became much improved, stronger, including the gums, but never once did any of my existing amalgams show any signs of coming out through repair of cavities....
Also, I was still poisoned by the mercury regardless of diet, which is why I could only get so far and no further. Poisoned everyday. Diet excellent, helped incredibly well, but was not a cure.
I'd say if someone wants to try this experiment, diet and perhaps the tooth soap as you suggested and oil pulling and maybe getting temporary replacements after amalgam removal may work. But again there is no guarantee of that. A person still has to eliminate mercury from their organs and tissues and this is a long process of detox and during that time a person remains still poisoned until enough mercury has been removed from their body to where they can truly begin to heal.
If someone's cavities are not too deep, they could probably get away with amalgam removal and leaving them. But if they are really deep, I don't see that as being a wise move to be honest. What about infection from exposure? Is that possible too?
I'd probably opt for temporary fillings, but I don't know how much that would hinder any possible repair of the cavities too.... I don't know enough about this, so I really don't know exactly what the conditions would need to be in order to have that repair take place and whether it requires having nothing filled in the teeth or it can still work if there is.
maybe it is just wishful thinking, but I beleive teeth can grow back, and whether you choose to start the healing before or after amalgam removal is up to you. scroll down until you see a diagram http://www.yourreturn.org/Treatments/Teeth/index.htm
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Re: Tooth Soap, regrowing cavities ??
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06/01/08 09:46 PM
06/01/08 09:46 PM
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Hi,
Great link. Thanks. Well, I think you have the proof right there, far from wishful thinking. Rather, it's a question of whether a person has access to such organic raw materials that they will need to consume in order to create such healing and the ongoing finance for it. As well as, can it be done with amalgams still in there? Will they hinder/obstruct the tooth from healing over?
Or will the amalgams actually come out of their own accord in time? I tried to watch the video on there, but was unable to. It's not available, but I viewed the pics and the information and was really impressed by it.
All food, especially organic diary has gone up so much that many are now turning to margarine and other unfortunate replacements. Very sad! Junkfood is dirty cheap in comparison. What a pity. Dental and medical bills will also go up as people's diets become further compromised. I'd rather spend more and prevent extra finance being spent trying to undo the damage.
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Re: Tooth Soap, regrowing cavities ??
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06/01/08 11:09 PM
06/01/08 11:09 PM
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That is a good link. I keep coming across that book. I think I will have to order it. Is it safe to eat raw meat? I don't think I will be doing that - am pretty sure I would vomit. I am still trying to work myself up to drinking raw milk. Are raw eggs safe? I have been told for so many years how dangerous it is. My brother used to eat raw eggs all the time when he did sports in high school. I would like to give my children raw eggs, but am afraid I will make them sick. I think they could use a little more protein in their diet.
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Re: Tooth Soap, regrowing cavities ??
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06/02/08 07:08 AM
06/02/08 07:08 AM
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If you want to learn about raw milk, whats good bad and ugly…this is a fabulous read: The Untold Story of Milk: Green Pastures, Contented Cows and Raw Dairy Foods By Ron Schmid, ND It is reviewed here: http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/untold_story_milk.html
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident."
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Re: Tooth Soap, regrowing cavities ??
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06/02/08 10:42 AM
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It pretty difficult to get Raw milk in England. Only place you can get it is farmers markets once a week or direct from the farms that specialise in raw milk, and there are hardly any….we are talking a handful of farms in a country with a population of 57 million. So it’s tricky and hard to find. Took me a lot of investigations to find a regular supply and I must drive 20-40 mins each way to get it every weekend, location varies each weekend too, just to keep me on me toes.
Raw milk is unpasteurised and unhomogenized and no mucking about changing things or adding things. I would call that “straight out of the cow,” if that’s what you mean then yes, raw milk is straight out of the cow and no monkeying about.
Important things to consider with raw milk, because it’s not just “raw milk” you want…..its “raw milk from pasture fed cows” that you really want. But people selling raw milk….they should generally know this and practice this.
The health of the cow directly affects the quality of the milk. The quality of the cows diet directly affects the health of the cow and hence the quality of the milk.
Today, normal regular cows are battery farmed, hardly ever see the light of day, are fed diets not suited to cows. A cow’s natural/ideal diet is grass, simple really and certainly not rocket science….cows eat grass and if the diet deviates from grass they get sick. Cows fed grain, soya, slops, chicken $hit or all the other nasties they are force feed….just make cows sick and produce poor quality milk. Add to that, never seeing the light of day, never walking about outside soaking up the sun…unhealthy cows and unhealthy milk. Sick cows need vaccinations, antibiotics…blah de blah de blah….
Regular dairy farmers are paid on the quantity of milk they produce, and not quality.
Battery farmed cows live 15 months-ish, then they are turned into hamburgers and people eat the meat from these poor sick beasts. Lovely thought eh?
Pasture fed cows live 12-15 years.
It is not rocket science.
Feed a human junk food, his teeth fall out, he gets real fat and unhealthy needs constant medical attention and dies early. Ditto cows.
Companies that sell raw milk are small local family run business’s. They love their cows, if you buy some at the store, there will be a telephone number to call from the owners. I called my farmers and they talked at length and you could tell they where proud of what they sold. They where proud to have happy health cows…they invited me up to see them. I will go and see them in august when I am over that way on holiday.
I do not eat any pasteurised dairy products.
The milk/cheese/butter from raw milk from cow fed grass tastes absolutely fantastic and makes the hassle of getting it well worth while. Nice to know I am not poisoning my family too and that it’s actually good for you. Did you know that if you have a milk allergy that raw milk is fine and will not give you symptoms/problems.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident."
Sunshine
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Re: Tooth Soap, regrowing cavities ??
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06/02/08 07:45 PM
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>>>Did you know that if you have a milk allergy that raw milk is fine and will not give you symptoms/problems.<<<
I'd read that too.. The digestive enzymes are killed during the pasteurization heat. That makes the milk hard to digest.
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Re: Tooth Soap, regrowing cavities ??
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06/03/08 12:04 AM
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Thank you for the link, Sunshine. So you drink raw milk and lived to tell about it? I think our local Whole Foods sell it (I think you have to say it is for your pet), but yes I wonder how fresh it is. My husband's family in Ireland have cows and they buy milk at the grocery store. I will have to send them that link to let them know what they are missing. What about raw eggs? Is it safe to eat the organic eggs from the grocery store raw or do I need to get a hen? .
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Re: Tooth Soap, regrowing cavities ??
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06/04/08 10:25 AM
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Talking about tooth regeneration…. “Weston A Price” wrote about this. I’m reading his original work at the moment “Nutrition and physical degeneration” and on page 288 he talks about this happening. He has before, during and after pictures and you can see on the x-rays the hole and then 6 months later the hole has closed over. Quite amazing! The whole tooth did not grow back but the hole closed over it with new dentine forming over top of the hole where the cavity was. He says this is why healthy old people may grin there teeth right down but still have usable teeth. If you have ever seen any of Weston Prices pictures, you will know what I mean. Oh yeah,,,,,,he didn’t use any magic soap! He changed the diet of the individuals. He removed sugar and white flour and replaced them with healthy grub. I did “google book” it, but they did not have it on-line to show you the pics, and its too long to type out. But if you can get your hands on that book….check out page 288. Ohhhhhhhhhhh….found it….i love google…… http://images.google.com/imgres?img...osoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GGLDIt even has instructions how we can all regrow our teeth! Quality!
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident."
Sunshine
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Re: Tooth Soap, regrowing cavities ??
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06/05/08 11:01 PM
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That is a good link Sunshine. I will need to find out where to get raw milk. I found this article on the raw eggs. Apparently, eating them raw gives you much higher levels of lutein and zeaxanthin which prevent macular degeneration. And yes, it is apparently low risk if you buy free range organic: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2004/10/13/eggs-cholesterol.aspx
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