News you won't see in controlled mainstream media.

I watch a lot of youtube videos, and people like alex jones, david icke etc , apart from talking about 9/11 being an inside job, Ive noticed they have made some videos regarding mercury fillings, and they basically say they were invented to dumb people down and accept mainstream media propaganda about the iraq war etc etc .

Anyway, Im not saying this is my view, my point is, its not just health officials who talk about mercury fillings, its more widespread than a health perspective. Maybe this has been bought up before on the forum, but if it hasnt I would just like to talk baout it

Yea dude, check this site out.

http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/reptilian_pact.htm

Read the part about the soft metals.

this is scary reading. If it is true, I want to know WHY? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Nicola

theres lots more articles on the internet and videos by well known conspiracy theorists, ill find them

of course it's not true. Do you really believe reptilians are poisoning you?

It's not that much of a stretch compared to Christianity:

CHRISTIANITY: The belief that some cosmic Jewish zombie can make you live forever if you symbollically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. Makes perfect sense.

MMB: That's a gross misrepresentation of what the Bible actually says.

For those who are actually interested in what it says, I would read it.


A word to the wise is sufficient.

I have been researching conspiracies since 1990 (as time permits) and have found that the powers that be (ptb) discovered that people who don't think are much easier to fool (this is important because lies as big as the ones we are now living under are difficult to conceal).

Particularly, they discovered that people who are engrossed in imagination since childhood are much easier to successfully lie to because of their affinity for suspended disbelief (they like it; they want it). With these types of people, it's much easier to cause them to overlook hard facts (physical laws) by flooding them with emotionally coercive information so that their evaluation becomes emotionally directed rather than logically directed (based on established physical laws). People who are emotionally directed in their decision-making are much easier to control.

For example: 9-11:

It's physically impossible (against the known laws of physics) for the existing fires to have collapsed the buildings (don't forget that 3 building collapsed, not two), yet the ptb were able to coerce some into believing the fires did cause the collapse of the three buildings because of our cultivated global culture that embraces suspended disbelief.

In other words, the official conspiracy theory (that fires collapsed the buildings) is physically impossible, yet some (a minority, yet a significant number according to polls) still believed the official conspiracy story because it was "emotionally easier" to accept.

Why?

Because accepting that physical laws remained in effect that day require the acceptance of a scary (emotionally unappealing) conspiracy that most people don't want to believe. Further, our emotions are continually swayed by cleverly-written speeches meant to emotionally draw us into the lie.

Remember this age-old mantra from the "entertainment" industry: "Listen To Your Heart" (beginning about half-way thorough this video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=F83XhHZPHnc


[color:"brown"]"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"[/color]

—Jeremiah 17:9

(read "deceitful" as "self-deceitful")


Keep in mind that the official conspiracy theory is that a bunch of guys in a cave who were horrible pilots subverted several branches of U.S. intelligence several times in a single day and performed nearly physically-impossible maneuvers with vehicles vastly different than the ones they trained in.

Since we write books that train and educate natural and alternative health practitioners, we have a lot of contact with this "culture". I find them extremely well-educated, particularly in relation to the lies and propaganda spewed by mainstream media.

These are "can-do" kind of people that don't blindly accept what they are told (which is why most of them got into "alternative" medicine to begin with). They do their own research and as a result, find the scope and depth of the lies we are living under. I particularly like these kind of people because they are people who are motivated to learn, and people who are motivated are people who care about something—a good thing.

As I've stated before on this forum, every person that I know who began studying conspiracies has eventually become a full-blown conspiratorialist. Why? Because the evidence is there to support it. Remember, it's difficult to conceal a lie of this size.


For a deeper look on my beliefs related to these things, please see this post:

No Need To Be Worried About Russ


Are we dumber than we used to be? ...

[color:"brown"]8th Grade Exam From 1895[/color]

This is the eighth-grade final exam from 1895 from Salina, KS. USA.
It was taken from the original document on file at the Smoky Valley
Genealogical Society and Library in Salina, KS and reprinted by the
Salina Journal.


8th Grade Final Exam: Salina, KS - 1895

Grammar (Time, one hour)
1. Give nine rules for the use of Capital Letters.
2. Name the Parts of Speech and define those that have no modifications.
3. Define Verse, Stanza and Paragraph.
4. What are the Principal Parts of a verb? Give Principal Parts of do, lie, lay and run.
5. Define Case, Illustrate each Case.
6. What is Punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of Punctuation.
7 - 10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.

Arithmetic (Time, 1.25 hours)
1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50 cts. per bu., deducting 1050 lbs. for tare?
4. District No. 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?
5. Find cost of 6720 lbs. coal at $6.00 per ton.
6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent.
7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. long at $20 per m?
8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent.
9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per are, the distance around which is 640 rods?
10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt.

U.S. History (Time, 45 minutes)
1. Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided.
2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus.
3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War.
4. Show the territorial growth of the United States.
5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas.
6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of theRebellion.
7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, and Howe?
8. Name events connected with the following dates:
1607
1620
1800
1849
1865

Orthography (Time, one hour)
1. What is meant by the following: Alphabet, phonetic, orthography, etymology, syllabication?
2. What are elementary sounds? How classified?
3. What are the following, and give examples of each: Trigraph, subvocals, diphthong, cognate letters, linguals?
4. Give four substitutes for caret 'u'.
5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e'. Name two exceptions under each rule.
6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each.
7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: Bi, dis, mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono,super.
8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: Card, ball, mercy, sir, odd,cell, rise, blood, fare, last.
9. Use the following correctly in sentences, Cite, site, sight, fane,fain, feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays.
10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced andindicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication.

Geography (Time, one hour)
1. What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?
2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas?
3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is theocean?
4. Describe the mountains of North America.
5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, Manitoba,Hecla, Yukon, St. Helena, Juan Fermandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco.
6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S.
7. Name all the republics of Europe and give capital of each.
8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same latitude?
9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers.
10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give inclination of the earth.

It is easy to fall into conspiracy theories if you were mercury poisoned. Now you think everyone is out to get you, paranoia setting in.

I have seen many of these conspiracy theories and most of the evidence is presented in videos with dramatic music for effect, while there is mostly personal interpretations/opinions and not really any facts.
Plus it is made by people with no credentials whatsoever.

I guess it is better having someone to blame than just being a victim of random chance while technology advances. A small percentage of people actually react and get sick from amalgams, we were just caught in the middle of it. However the statistics mean nothing to the individual, and all the sick people in these forums are proof of it.

It will probably take a few decades for mercury amalgams to stop being used completely, and many dentists are already doing it.

sorry BG123 but I find it hard to fault Russ' logic on the mercury issue ... this is taken from his post


Mercury In Modern Medicine

Now, let me talk about mercury and its use in medicine, because we all know that mercury has been used in vaccines and amalgam fillings for a long time now.

Mercury is a favorite weapon for use in population reduction because of it's accumulative action in the body along with its diverse collection of symptoms that vary based on genetics. The genetic factor would make it more easy to cause the public to accept the idea that diseases are associated with genetics, and then to hold the public focus on genetics instead of the actual cause.

Mercury has also been used for decades against the general population because it is hard to diagnose (unless you know what you are doing), and doctors are notoriously clueless in the area of mercury toxicity diagnosis. It has also been used because of the time delay between exposure and the occurrence of symptoms. This, of course, disassociates the cause with the symptoms. This delay also allows the pharmaceutical companies (and doctors-in-general) to collect fees over an extended period of time while treating (not curing) symptoms that are--in reality--associated with mercury toxicity; a cause that is notoriously absent from modern medical education.

I realize that what I am about to present may be hard for some to accept, but it is only hard because you have not been exposed to the true nature of some of the most powerful people in the world. You, having a normal, kind (hopefully), sympathetic nature, expect that others are like you, but this is where we make our greatest mistake.

History is saturated with stories about evil power seekers killing masses of people to gain power and wealth. The American forefathers warned about these people incessantly. They said that we should be constantly aware of those who would attempt to subvert freedom for their own gain.

Now think about this with an open mind for a moment.

We all know that a car can be lethal. If you drive a car at a high rate of speed at a person, and then collide with that person, they will likely die. You--the driver--will then be tried and convicted of homicide (of some type) and be punished or executed. You don't need to be an expert in cars to know and understand that cars can kill.

Another example.

We all know that arsenic is toxic. Furthermore, we are responsible to know that arsenic is toxic. If an 18 year old person put arsenic in his parent's tea, they would likely be tried and convicted of a serious crime because they are responsible to know that arsenic is toxic. There would be little chance of pleading ignorance about the fact that arsenic is toxic.

Enter mercury.

By the time we are in high school, we are expected to know that mercury is toxic. If we were to put mercury in our parent's tea, and they died, we would likely be tried and convicted of a serious crime because we are responsible to know that mercury is toxic. There would be little chance of pleading ignorance about the fact that mercury is toxic.

Now picture this.

A medical professional with medical and scientific training decides to put mercury in his parent's tea, and they died. In this case, there would be virtually no chance that this medical professional would be able to plead ignorance about the fact that mercury is toxic for two reasons: (1) because they are an adult, and (2) because they are a trained medical professional.

Now let's go one step further.

You are a medical expert and policy maker. You invent medical "methods"--"cures"--"solutions" for people's ailments. You--as a medical policy maker--decide that it is good medical practice to put mercury in people's mouths. You also decide that it is good medical practice to inject mercury directly into the bloodstream of children. You declare this practice a standard and acceptable medical "procedure", and you also know that as a result of your declaration, that the country you "serve" will implement the injection of mercury as an accepted medical procedure, and as a result, medical professionals will be trailed to perform this injection of mercury into human bodies on a daily basis country-wide.

Now consider the following facts.

Mercury toxicity is one of the best known and best studied toxins in the world. The medical literature has a long history of in-depth knowledge about the horrible effects of mercury on the human body. This medical research about mercury toxicity dates back into the 1800's (actually much earlier), and by the mid 1900's, encompassed a volume of information large enough to fill several large books. In fact, not only do doctors know that mercury is toxic, but nurses know it is toxic, and even common everyday people know it is extremely toxic (in fact they are legally responsible to know that it is toxic).

Considering the preceding facts, is it possible to believe that a medically-trained policy maker would choose to use mercury for injection directly into the human body without having another purpose or goal in mind?

It has long been spoken--albeit not openly--by rich industry leaders that the best way to make money is to create a problem and then to secure exclusive rights to (patent) the solution. Think tanks have also realized that there are limits to the amount of money people are willing to spend to solve a problem.

If the problem is with a person's car, they will be willing to spend a certain amount of money.

If the problem is with a person's house, they will spend quite a bit more money.

However, there is one item--one particular machine--for which there is virtually no limit to the amount of money a person will spend to correct a serious problem: their body.

So, as an example, if you could create a certain type of virus that causes a cancer that threatens the life of the person who has it, then you could patent the vaccine, then you could sell the vaccine for enormous amounts of money and the victims would gratefully pay whatever you charge. Yes, this scenario could undoubtedly create one of the largest and most powerful industries in the world (injecting foreign substances into the body: "phamracology") and could potentially hold the entire population of the world in hostage to your technology.

The only catch is that you--as the creator of this problem--would have to conceal the fact that you created the problem, and you would be willing to do anything to conceal this fact because you know that if you were found out, you would most certainly be executed.

You would be willing to falsify scientific research and then gain control of (or ally yourself with) media outlets (by running billion-dollar advertising campaigns) to distribute (mis)information. You would even be willing to assassinate people who were a threat to you, because after all, if you had so little conscience that you had no trouble engineering such a plan to begin with, then you certainly have so little conscience that you would have no trouble killing those who may provide evidence or information that could have you executed for your crimes. In fact, to provide another layer of protection, you would most certainly want to coerce (make campaign contributions) "lawmakers" to make laws that exempt you from prosecution regardless of the damage you have caused.

Yes Imgeha, but do you really believe evil non-human reptilians are trying to kill you? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

yeah, OK, that may be a step too far even for me! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />:)

Hello
Well as far as the reptillians go well I don't know but I would say demons or something of the devil. I was raised a christian and have read the bible and no what is a head of us as far as the end times go so yeah I would say reptillians are something of the devil. I don't believe they are beings from another planet such as aliens.
As far as the conspiracy goes I would say Russ is right and this has nothing to do with being mercury poisoned. My mother somewhere along the way ended up joining the rosicrucian order which is just another secret society such as the illuminati, skull and bones, eastern star, masons etc... All of it was secretive, she would tell us that, however my mom was an alcoholic and so when she was drunk she would let me see some of the stuff she was studying. It went along the lines of burning candles in front of a mirror chanting, moving things with the mind and other stuff such as transendental meditation...even astrial projection. Really weird stuff that was and very hard to grow up in and around so yeah I believe Russ is right on and knows exactly what a conspiracy is and has nothing to do with mercury poisoning.
My sister found out about the illuminati years before me ...I guess because she is 11 years younger than me and lived with mom all the way through this rosicrucian thing she seen things that I didn't. Mom would even ask her to concentrate and try to move things with her mind or guess what card mom was holding in her hand. My sis being very strong willed and hated the alcoholism and all the weirdness would mainly fight with her to leave her alone and that is when I would come and get her out of the house for awhile so I basically raised her myself. Anyways when my sis told me about the illuminati I basically told her she was crazy. Well when I got so sick I was researching health and wow I ran across a whole bunch of info on the mercury and all of it leads back to these secret societies and our government being in these secret societies. After the mad hatter incident in the late 1800's and all the hat makers getting sick why would anyone think mercury was ok to put in fillings or our babies shots does not take alot of common sense plus mercury is one of the most toxic metals on earth. Who would have allowed this to happen? But if you research the whole secret society thing you will see one of the Gods they worship just happens to be Mercury the god. If you look mercury the god carries a septor with a snake on it....check out the symbol of the medical field...basically a septor with snakes on it. Pretty coincedental, maybe but I think not. The devil will play any card he has to gain your soul ...that is just what he does and knows he has not but a short time to do it. So I would say the mercury,tv,radio,bars alcohol,medicines etc... are all ways to condition us and dumb us down so you won't notice the things that are happening around us or all the lies we've been told.
When I went to college I studied psychology and we did a rat experiment on conditioning. We conditioned the rat to push a bar down to get a pellet of food when he figured it out then we stopped the food, that poor rat pushed the bar so much and got so tired he finally fell over on his back from exhaustion but with one little paw still in the air above his head kept pushing the bar for food. Conditioning is a nice way to get you used to things happening around you. An example when I was little my mom watched all the soap operas, I seen alot of them and never seen anyone in their underwear until I got older and began watching them myself. One day my mom was at my house and the soaps were on, it showed a guy getting out of bed with his lover and only had his underwear on which I thought nothing about but my mom caught it right off.... her words were jees they are just about naked they might as well show it all. Over the years this has become common so much so that all of our teens wear the most provocative things ever imagined. All tv and movies center around all the nastiness. Since when is it ok to go out in public half nude? A government that is suppose to be watching out for us should have never let this happen as well as the mercury or meds ect.... My point is there are evil people in this world that don't care about you or me and are only out for the wealth any of this can bring them. It must be a pleasure to walk on nice plushy carpet in your fancy home and never have to worry about where your next meal will come from while those of us are struggling to heal ourselves from the crap that made them wealthy. Don't know how they do it but personally I could not live with myself.
BTW my mom was always a God fearing woman even though the alcohol and the rosicrucion crap came into her life. When she died she lay on her death bed praying to the lord so I believe her being in that secret crap led all of us including my brother to find the conspiracies and to be able to see the big picture of what is happening now. After her funeral we burned all that crap and put it just where it belonged in the fire.
Here are some links that might interest you...not about the reptillians but about the secret societies...you can draw your own conclusions about the reptillians. Kriminal you might want to take a look too!
http://www.seagrant.uconn.edu/HATTER.HTML
http://tonysomers.50megs.com/custom.html
http://www.nogw.com/aluminum.html
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/phil.htm
http://www.mmoutreachinc.com/cult_groups/rosicrucians.html
http://www.orderofthegrail.org/alchemy_ros_hermdoc.htm
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/02/60minutes/main576332.shtml
http://www.haarp.net/mindcontrol.htm
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/projectbluebeam25jul05.shtml
That should be enough for now to get ya started, you can see the truth that is really happening out there. Look at all the links one leads to another.

Yea I am definitely informed about the secret societies that really run the world specifically the illuminati.

That is my problem with these theories. It seems gullible people hang objectivity at the door and believe not one or a few, but most of the conspiracy theories.
Even Russ says people that read conspiracy theories get into them and start believing all of them
I mean it would seem many of these have to be wrong too. But if you just read one that sounds plausible without any evidence, then there is really nothing stopping you from believing all of them

It just seems like a new fad.

Most of those links have no factual data or evidence and just has a few pictures/videos with conclusions automatically drawn for you.

Sure there are greedy people in the world and you can see that in one second turning on the news. But that does not mean everyone is out to get you.

If many of these conspiracy theorists wanted to be taken seriously, they would take a lesson in problem solving and testing hypothesis from the scientific method. And posting them in peer reviewed journals with data backed up might help, not just posting a webpage that looks like it was made by a schizophrenic on crack and only google can find.
Otherwise the status quo will remain and their theories won't be regarded as anything but fiction.

Thank god the legal system doesn't work like this most of the time with the innocent until proving guilty, otherwise it would just require pointing a finger to send someone to jail. (actually sometimes that works when yelling RAPE!) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Nothing could be further from the truth.

My study in conspiracies began with law. This is an excellent place to start because you can see the coordinated documentation in black and white. It's truly astounding.


For you to make the statement that you did:

"Most of those links have no factual data or evidence and just has a few pictures/videos with conclusions automatically drawn for you."

indicates (to those who have done their homework) that you know nothing about the subject.


It's no different than when I hear doctors say

"there just isn't enough evidence about herbs to indicate whether they can do any good or not."

Since I am an herb researcher (science only), I quickly recognize that they know nothing about the subject. Likewise, as a law researcher, I also know that you know nothing about conspiracies, given that you would make such a statement.


What is amazing is that you would make such generalizations. Ironically, you are doing exactly what you accuse theorists of doing; Exactly. (speaking without knowledge of a subject)


In relation to being paranoid...

"...people who call conspiratorialists cowards..."


In relation to making judgments about things you know nothing about...

"Condemnation without investigation..."


I am not writing any of this to be insulting in any way. I only despise when people speak with false authority when they know nothing about a subject because...


This is exactly how many/most people here became mercury toxic, including me. Dentists thought they knew better. They made important medical decisions on our behalf without first doing their homework.


"Ignorance is dangerous. Ignorance with a mouth is lethal."


Please, do your homework before speaking authoritatively.


New Age Bible Versions

Hovind: Lies In The Textbooks

The Conspiracy Thread

Junk Science: Global Warming Myth Busted

The Lincoln Assassination and the Jesuit Connection, Jon Eric Phelps (MP3)

...for by your medication were all the nations deceived.

Kennedy On Secret Societies

Loose Change (video)

The Bar Code and the Mark of the Beast

One Nation Under Siege

Our Solor System

From Freedom To Fascism

Biological Warfare: Experiments On the American People

Confessions of An Ex-RX Drug Pusher

The Government Always Tells the Truth

The Declaration of Independence

Very briefly, my view, for what it is worth, is that there are two types of people:

1. Those who accept everything they are told, especially by those they believe are in authority.

2. Those who question what they are told.

If you are a type 1 person, you will believe amalgam is safe as it is promoted by most dentists. If you are type 2 person, you are more likely to not only question the safety of amalgam, but other things we are told aswell.

I'm definitely type 2 person. I don't take things at face value and always question what I am told. Therefore I do believe that some, not all, conspiracy theories are true. I personally think it is very naive to believe we are always told the truth.

Russ, I think the word evidence gets thrown around so much that it has lost its meaning.

Specially those videos you keep posting. Any documentary can be biased to any point of view depending on the source.
When I say evidence I mean data, factual proof. Exactly what a judge would need to incarcerate someone. Those videos show no specifics. Many have interviews with opinionated views drawing conclusions for you. And they just mole the idea about something bad someone is doing, but they don't say who, noone is accusing anyone, no signed documents, recordings or tangible proof of people doing bad things.

The fact they are videos tell me they are not reliable. They were made that way for popularity and to gain support as their main objective, and that is not good in the search for the truth. When a scientific experiment is done or a discovery, do you think they post it in a video? No, they need every little blip of data documented and then their research paper is reviewed/studied, and maybe at the end of the line someone will make a video which won't have .01 % of all the data the study had.

Now you just tell me condescendingly I know nothing about the subject because I don't agree with you.

The status of crappy doctors today proofs nothing, and you are using the same kind of arguments in the videos (tell me of something and then extrapolate it to everything else without any proof). Now I don't know if you hold a law degree or not, but when you see these videos ask yourself is this enough to convict people? The answer is clearly no, there is nothing tangible or even suspects or anything.
I agree most doctors today worry more about acute conditions that are deadly instead of chronic conditions. But can you blame them? I mean the symptoms of mercury poisoning blend in with probably hundreds of conditions and apparently is not really deadly. Now since we suffer from it we know mental illness can be torture, but im just showing you both sides of the coin.

And you being a herb researcher is mostly passed known knowledge and data than science (unless you have a lab and you try thousands of new herbs on rats to study their reactions). Herbs have been used for thousands of years and you are just gathering information with trial and error. Sick people who might even not have mercury poisoning try them but there is too many variables and no control groups. We would however be screwed without people like you putting their attentions to chronic illnesses. I am pretty sure this does not apply to you, but chronic conditions are also a business being exploded, and I am pretty sure people around here have bought hundreds of supplements from everywhere on the internet and a very small quantity of them help us. People seem to throw blame around to doctors so easily when they don't help, but when a supplement does not work it seems ok.


Now do not take my thoughts to not believe that the government can do no wrong. Anyone with half a brain can really see it turning on the news in 5 minutes. The war on drugs seems like a war against poor people, and guess I don't even have to touch the war on Iraq.
I do however oppose extreme views such as us being INTENTIONALLY mercury poisoned, or 9/11.
I mean the fact that people will try to cover their to avoid millions of lawsuits due to amalgams is just a side effect of a capitalistic society, but has no proof of secret men in secret room trying to rule the world.

The fact that you believe all of the conspiracy theories (some have to be wrong?) tells me you lost your objectivity and skepticism long ago.
I am curious since you seem so concerned about mind control and you are a devout religious person. I would think religion as a mind controlling tool for the common population would be in your list. I mean how many times on the road to the war in Iraq did Bush said God talked to him in his speeches? Probably hundreds of times.

Kriminal
First of all I did not just put up some sites that had no validity, I know first hand what these secret societies are all about. As I've said my mother was in one of them and so I have seen lots of weird off the wall things all of a demenistic nature. I did not take this thread lightly, I felt the need to tell what I knew as fact in order to help someone else, maybe even you!
I am not a gullible person and my life has not been a peice of cake as you could imagine and I am not going on just theory. I watched my mother send out good money to these people just to join and then $60 every 3 months there after for dues to this secret society. I seen some of the pamplets they sent her. I know first hand what it was about and what she studyed while in it. In the Masons they go through certain degrees...same in the Rosicrusion order or AMORC as it is called. So you see I do know some on the subject. You should do some homework and maybe read your bible.

Actually that remark is not true...Here is the story of Tokyo Rose just in case you are not familiar with history either: I took it from this site
http://otrcat.com/tokyo-rose-wwii-japanese-propaganda-p-1933.html
You can also look it up in a history book if you like!
American born, Iva Toguri D’Aquino was visiting an ill aunt in Japan during the attack on Pearl Harbor. Unable to return to the US and in need of money, she searched for work. With her husky voice and sense of humor Iva secured a job at Tokyo Radio broadcasting Japanese propaganda. American troops tuned in, enjoying her bawdy sense of humor and sultry ways. Billed as Orphan Ann, she began her shows with, “Hello boys. This is the voice you love to hate.” Iva was later put on trial for being the “Tokyo Rose.” After questioning of whether she was the Toyko Rose, Iva answered yes, thinking that Rose was an endearing character to the Americans. Wrong. Although there was no actual one Tokyo Rose, Iva was convicted of treason and sentenced to 10 years in jail though she was released after 6 for good behavior. In the 1970's, President Ford pardoned her thus clearing her name.
Another reason I used this story was to show you the conditioning and propaganda behind it. In case you didn't know Tokyo Rose was used in WW2 to lower the morale of American soldiers. How? By playing American music and telling them lies that their women were covorting with other men while they were away. Pretty good way to take the attention away from the main problem. Wouldn't you say? Conditioning and propaganda that is what you see on your tv news programs. Go do some research and you will see.
Rachel

If you read mainstream western media, you will have heard that the Iranian President wanted to wipe Israel off the map. Well, after listening to a well known british politician and watching several videos on youtube, and including professionals in Tel Aviv, they agree that he never actually said this, and was a total misinterpretation,

Now, the point is, the mainstream media will hype that up, even though he never said it,
for whatever political reasons are underneath it. We can only guess at the political reasons underneath it, because , after all, it was a complete lie.

Im not a muslim, and Im not jewish, but Im just giving an example of something that the mainstream media does which is a complete lie

btw, its not a conspiracy theory that he never said this, its a complete lie by the media.

Both of you are just using random events about people manipulating the masses for an agenda. That happens everywhere.

But it seems you choose an article and use it to proof all conspiracy theories are true, extrapolating it to all other theories. That is a very bad argument.

And you are acting like I said people never do bad things. There will always be opportunistic people trying to take advantage. Leaders have done that since the age of times with religion, patriotism,etc to push their agendas.

You seem to label events as conspiracies too freely. War tactics to bring down morale, propaganda, etc are not what I was considering a conspiracy.

I was mainly talking about the ones out there. Do you think you were mercury poisoned on purpose? You think the government did 9/11?

The government intentionally causing 9/11 would be a conspiracy. Opportunistic politicians using the tragedy (while not having caused it) to unite the country and go to war and secure a position in the middle east with good energy source would just be a country acting for its interests.

I mean if you are going to post examples of people manipulating others for personal gain this forum would run out of bandwidth and the server would not have enough disk space for the massive text spam.

Y'all are just gonna have to get used to it, Kriminal, for example, 911 truth ain't goin away, no can do, even senator Karen Johnson of AZ is stickin her neck out for a full inquiry.
http://yannone.blogspot.com/2008/06/arizonas-state-senator-karen-johnson.html

Thang is, truth is like a real BIG cork, y'all can push it underwater but when y'all smell your bacon burnin or hotline ringin and forget for a moment to keep supressin it, well, heck almighty , that things gonna pop up and hit somebody in the face.

An a course, the bigger the truth is bein held down, the bigger the exposure is gonna be.
I'm feelin purty good about it, mainly cuz I know the truth is gonna set us free, plus, there's way worse thangs than dyin, and one of em is bein a lyin self servin scumbag with a whole pile a agenda.
Always did find that highly unattractive.
Hey for those that don't think Dennis Kucinich is nutsy coo-coo, he's makin moves for the impeachment a Georgie W. Course, y'all would know this ain't in American MSM papers, but have a looksee at the Belfast Telegraph:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article3786591.ece
oh yessirree, bring it all on.
As the wise Native Americans have said, we are the people we have been waiting for.
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Aw I just know y'all ain't gonna get it krim, but y'all can say we told ya so after <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ithitsthefan.gif" alt="" />

ohoh, who are these guys ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/platoon.gif" alt="" />
aw, just some new american soldiers.( an hello Blackwater..). yep, better they all are from elsewheres what all with martial law comin at us if we all don't get smart an turn this leviathon around

Course y'all prolly wouldn't believe me if I said elephants can draw, neither:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_LHoyB81LnE
yep, thats a stretch, ain't it?
Next week, flyin pigs.

Hehe what is the point of typing like that?
Calling for investigation does not imply guilt, as far as Kucinich, it is too bad hes the one pushing for Bush impeachment (he deserves it). Kucinich is always talking about some crazy stuff like UFOs . It would carry more weight if it was someone with better credentials
At least he has a hot wife
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Anyways about the truth coming out, it will never happen. Even if I was to agree with your viewpoint of the conspiracy, the saying of "Never open old wounds" would apply. The US would never admit to it, losing the little credibility it has left with the world. Avoiding embarrassment is a priority for every country.

It still baffles me that you would think the many incompetent people in the government today would be able to pull such a massive conspiracy without any whistle blowers or anyone showing hard evidence of it. I mean loose change videos with dramatic music does not qualify as proof.

I notice that a couple of you here are seeming to have no purpose other than to stir up strife. You attempt to ridicule conspiracy theorists without providing any real content except inflammatory remarks. This is called flaming and is not tolerated on this system.

If you have some meaningful evidence to share, please do. Otherwise, consider this a warning.


Concerning conspiracies, we need to come to terms with the fact that nearly all white collar crime on the planet is a planned act by 2 or more people—a conspiracy. You also have to realize that the current theory that is "officially" supported regarding 9-11 is also a conspiracy theory and a real silly one at that:

"A bunch of guys in a cave who could not fly thwarted several branches of U.S. intelligence and military and performed nearly physically impossible maneuvers with pinpoint accuracy. Concerning the Pentagon, they used a jet they've never flown and left a hole in building that the alleged jet could not fit into (not even close), and all this while the FBI confiscates the only 2 videos of the event releasing only 5 frames from the video, none of which show the jet in question."

"Two world-class steel framed buildings fall in a single day from cold, oxygen-starved brush fires when no steel framed buildings have ever fallen from fire in history."

The silliness goes on and on, but it isn't silly at all. I'll put another link here for those who are interested in some very valid information regarding this event:

Loose Change (video)


I will also reiterate that I've studied this subject (conspiracies) since about 1990 and found that it is an astounding eye-opening experience that was so frightening for me, that I actually had trouble sleeping due to fear for about 2 years, until I came to terms with it within myself (I got serious about my relationship with God).

Additionally, I had an interesting personal experience with CNN.

When Waco was unfolding, they were showing a video continually on CNN (and other networks as well) where David Koresh said, "I am God". They then claimed that this "crazy" man claimed to be Jesus Christ. That's exactly what I heard the news reporter say—That Koresh believes he is Jesus Christ.

Because we were currently studying the situation in Waco (as part of our conspiracy studies), we had obtained a teaching tape of Koresh from which that exact clip had been taken. In fact, when I saw it on CNN, I was shocked because I had already seen it.

Well, it was a lie, because what I knew from having already seen the tape is that they edited what Koresh had said. He actually said (as closely as I remember it), "If I could foretell the future, if I could move mountains, if the elements would obey me, then I am God."

Yes, Koresh's point was clear and was exactly the opposite of what CNN claimed. His point was that he was not God. He was clearly demonstrating some of the things that God could do that man cannot do, but CNN lied about it and deliberately edited the tape to deceive people.

This is a true story, and was one of the pivotal points in convincing me that the media is corrupt. I was very skeptical at first, but this event helped open my eyes.

As I've said before, the study of law is an amazing eye-opener that clearly reveals how laws have been manipulated for the benefit of specific persons. A good example of this happening today has to do with farm subsidies. Here's an example:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IJS7YLhIaTo


Although, this issue is very small compared to the kinds of things we've studied (the Fed, IRS code, etc.).


Nevertheless, I thought I'd share a couple pictures of chemtrails that were laid down just a couple hours ago. The air is so bad here right now, it's unbreathable by me. My sinuses are burning, my ears began ringing, and my eyes are burning. Of course, this is par for the course when chemtrails are sprayed.

It's hard to see in these pictures, but the entire sky is covered in a faint, white haze which I believe is a result of new high-altitude chemtrails operations. They have received too much press from the clearly visible ones and the resulting upper-respiratory outbreaks that have occurred, so now they are resorting to more clandestine means, although some clear low-altitude chemtrails are still sprayed, like these...


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Kriminal said...


This is astounding incorrect.

Actually everyone who is exposed to mercury has some degree of damage done to them. Dr. Haley said there is NO amount of mercury that is safe. This is chemistry and we know this.

It's true that some people don't notice the damage done, but this does not mean that it is not occurring. Furthermore, most people have not yet made the association between mercury exposure at a young age and chronic degenerative diseases later in life—although awareness is growing fast. This is to say nothing about the emotional effects of mercury, not to mention that it effectively lowers IQ.

Mercury makes people fearful, controllable, and more subservient to authority. These are not my words. These are the words (if I remember them accurately) that I read from medical studies on the emotional effects of mercury. This is the medical conclusion of the doctors involved in the study, not my opinion.

Even more, if you consider that 1 of every 166 children now get autism, and that autism is caused by mercury, well... you do the math.

The effects of mercury are profound and in my research, I have concluded that mercury accounts for at least 20% of all chronic degenerative disease in the U.S., and this probably a very conservative number. (VERY conservative)

Mercury is and has been the drug of choice for synthesizing long-term profitable disease for decades, and probably much longer.

Biblical sorcery and modern drugs:
http://herballure.com/bibledrugs

Kriminal Said...

(emphasis mine)

That's a clever way to twist what I said, but it's inaccurate.

This is what I said...

"As I've stated before on this forum, every person that I know who began studying conspiracies has eventually become a full-blown conspiratorialist. Why? Because the evidence is there to support it. Remember, it's difficult to conceal a lie of this size."

(Post# 855062)


Kriminal said...

Absolutely not true.

The kind of people who are willing to do research are not the kind of people who would say,"Gee, this thing turned out to be true over here so, gee, everything must be true."

This is truly ridiculous.

As I said, the evidence is there to support it, and let me tell you, as God is my witness, the evidence is there!

I certainly don't mind that we disagree, but you must stop twisting the words of others for the benefit of your own opinion and try to be accurate in your quoting.

Ironically, you are the one who is glumping information together here and making grand assumptions. In fact, you are doing exactly what you have been accusing others of doing.

One important point about mercury is that it stresses your entire body so it will never just cause one or even a few illnesses, it will just stress your entire system until your weakest link (which is usually determined by genetics) breaks. Its the most destructive non-radioactive element there is, not something that can passively be stored in a human body and not cause any damage.

Also, It is documented that the Germans used fluoride on the Jewish people in the concentration camps, and now it is in water nearly across the whole united states. How can you not get suspicious when you come across things like these?

You would have to be an idiot to think that these scientists could just ignore the plethora of information about the dangers of mercury and fluoride and just move ahead like this was not going to hurt anybody. Who knows exactly what is really going on, but its certainly suspicious. Are the people who see these connections the crazy ones?

Fine , amalgam isnt a conmspiracy by the government, but is on par with when the governemnt told us smoking was good for you.

Whatever label or phrase you call it when the government tell us smoking is good for health, applies to amalgams.

Next, in 40 years, they will start telling us mobile phones are bad for us, and people are saying they are the 21st century version of smoking. Mercola has tons of articles saying mobile phones are the new version of smoking.

Go to his website, and make up your own mind.

Well since there are two sides to a coin I actually think you are the one causing strife with misinformation just as you think I am the one misinformed
One man's terrorist is another's man freedom fighter. Now you are warning me for just holding a debate over this and I don't agree with you?

I don't really care to consider conspiracy theories when it just a few people manipulating others.I mean propaganda and immoral tactics is just part of the media. I am more concerned about the big ones.

About the 9/11 thing, you have yet to show up evidence and there is too many holes in logic in that loose change video. You are posting some sayings such as "a bunch of guys in a cave" for dramatic effect while not adding anything to the debate except expressing which side you are on. I could say a bunch of overpaid incompetent bureaucrats pulling it off is worse and with Occam's Razor a bunch of dedicated freedom fighters with great monetary resources to infiltrate fits better (but we would just be talking without any backing). We differ on our differences on what is considered hard evidence. As I have said many times a videos objective is to get popularity, shock and awe and in any documentary you can pull up interviews to skew your point of view to any side. There is no data, specifics, names, dates,suspects, etc. And the few data that is there is just shortened to the lowest common denominator and cannot be accounted for.
If you were interested in a study of one of the allegedly biggest conspiracies you would at least want it to have more credentials. Every time you post that video to me you are just worsening your cause.

As far as the media, I could not agree more. It is good with the information age we can really choose our places to get news. Turning on Fox news or even CNN (once a respectable source of information) is just a travesty, barely rising about the tabloids.

I admit I don't know anything about the chemtrails, but I am curious as to what your theory is behind them? I just googled it and it said some people think it is a conspiracy by the CIA
How many people are getting sick? What is the purpose of them? You have pictures of the type of plane doing it? You need the specifics as to who is doing it. Have you analyzed the air after a pass?What kind of chemical you think is causing the damage?
I mean just pictures of the white contrails left by aircraft won't really help you. I see those around all the time. My uncle is a pilot and when he took me flying the plane left the same type of cloud.
You need those questions answered for anything to get done, otherwise your only solution is to move (while leaving people in your town to potentially get sick)

As far as the mercury thing, I am pretty sure it would be long banned if it was affecting a majority and not a minority (and it is already starting get banned in some countries). There are different levels of exposure when it is placed, and some people's body do not react as much to infinitesimally amounts of mercury in the bloodstream. Sure mercury is a poison to the human body, deadly in quantities. But what we are interested is about how much it affects people when present in very very small quantities.
It's true many of them may be asymptomatic, but it would still be an overwhelming minority.
This is however not important to this debate. The important part is do you think you were mercury poisoned on purpose or that we are just victims of ignorance?

It's interesting that Russ posted today about how bad the chemtrails are here in Maine. On the way back from the post office this afternoon, looking west toward Bangor, all I could see was a white haze, with the same huge chemtrail that Russ posted a picture of, stretching for what was probably miles across the sky towards Bangor (which is the largest populated city in the area).

This was the only time I'd been outside for more than a moment. So did the chemtrails and air quality affect me? Well, within 2 hours, I felt terribly fatigued and had a bad headache, my ears were ringing, and my back was hurting so badly that I gave in and took some ibuprofen. I could no longer concentrate because of the "brain fog" and fatigue, so I went and laid down. After about an hour or so, I'm feeling a little better (the ibuprofen has kicked in so I can at least get back to work), but my ears are still ringing so loudly that I can hear them over my music which is playing softly on my computer.

The interesting thing about ringing in the ears, for me, is that I only experience this symptom when I've been re-exposed to mercury. For example, if I eat fish (which I only do once or twice a year), or if I drink black or green tea (which contain caffeine). If I remember correctly, Dr. Boyd Haley's research indicates that caffeine allows mercury to pass through cell walls much easier. One cup of tea will leave my ears ringing for about 2 days. I haven't had any tea since last weekend and have had no ringing in my ears until today, and I've had no tea today.

Anyway, given the recent discussions on chemtrails, I wanted to share a glimpse of my personal experience with them.

Did the government really say smoking was good for your health? Or was it the corporations selling cigarettes doing it?
I forgot what was the great movie about this with Russel Crow, the inside man I think (One of my favorite movies)
I do get on board with conspiracy theories like this, because it is a side effect of capitalism. The rich will try to get richer at anyones expense.

As far as cellphones, maybe it does affect. But it would still be a minority. And when you weigh the pros and cons I think people would take a small percentage of side effects to using cellphones in exchange for being able to communicate instantly with any person. It is just technology advancing, and hopefully they can improve designs to lessen the severity of damage (if they exist).

I have seen studies of doctors in the 20th century using radioactive isotopes in patients to study the effects of kidney damage. Those studies helped develop the treatments that today save thousands of lives at the expense of the few that were used (without their consent <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />). And we don't even need to get into what doctors in Nazi Germany did during the second world war.experimenting on the Jews.

Every single one of us, while disappointed in some of todays doctors, benefits from technology and medicine. More people have been saved by medicine than the number of people that have died in all the wars in the history of the planet.
I sure as hell wouldn't want to go back to 20-30 years life expectancy, thinking the rain thunder and sun is my God and many of us probably would have been miscarried and never have set foot in this earth.

Kriminal said...


I am not saying you're misinformed. I'm saying you're uninformed.

Ironically, you—not knowing anything about this subject—make strong assertions about what you think is true. The fierce problem with what you are doing is that is it exactly what most dentists in the U.S. have done for decades that led to the placing of hundreds-of-millions of amalgam fillings being placed, blindly trusting and making vast assumptions, and this is harmful indeed.

It is important for all adults to have more than two categories of belief in their minds:

(1) Things they believe are true
(2) Things they believe are not true
(3) Things they don't know

Unfortunately for all of us, far too many people put 98% of what belongs in category #3 into one of the other categories. You have done this in nearly every post on this thread. Yes, nearly every one.

For example, you have made the assertion that the movie Loose Change is full of holes. Well, since the movie makes dozens of statements about the event, using the term "full of hole" must mean there are at least a dozen issues with the movie. Please, itemize these "holes" and tell us what they are and why you believe each is a "hole".

My position is that the movie is extremely well done and is consistent with others who have done the same research.

I would remind you that over 80% of those polled on mainstream news programs stated that they belied that the U.S. government is involved in a coverup (a.k.a. "a conspiracy") of the details regarding 9-11. So why is this? It could be because the evidence is so overwhelming. I find the evidence to this effect compelling, to say the least.

Chemtrails are also self evident.

Suddenly, you have the appearance of massive plumes in the sky coming out of jets, so much so that the sky is often saturated with them while at the same time there are outbreaks of illness, the majority of which involve the respiratory system, yet, you assert that this is "normal".

Kriminal, there are some things that are so plainly obvious that they are considered common sense. Chemtrails are one of them.

But as if this isn't enough, testing has been done on chemtrails. Are you claiming that these people who have independently tested the air are conspiring together to come up with the same information just to scare people? By implication, you are, but I bet you didn't realize the implications of your beliefs, only the implications of others when they differ from your own.

Am I right?

Well again, you have made vast assumptive statements while asserting your opinion as fact, something you—again—accuse the rest of the world of doing.

And finally, in response to your statement:

...you are the one causing strife with misinformation...

I say...

The only ones who claim that the exposure of a crime is harmful are those to stand to benefit from the crime.

[color:"brown"]Which side are you on?[/color]


[color:"brown"]"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"[/color]
(Galatians 4:16)



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Kriminal,

I've yet to see you post anything to back up your opinions concerning chemtrails, 9/11, or mercury poisoning. Russ has provided quite a bit of information and there's certainly much more available within reach of the internet.

What's really funny is that, at least in this country, it appears you'd be in the minority concerning your statements about 9/11.

Americans Question Bush on 9/11 Intelligence - NY Times/CBS News Poll October 2006

And as for your opinions on mercury poisoning and amalgams affecting a [i]minority]/i], you would do well to read the research published by Dr. Boyd Haley or Dr. Stephen Grier.

In fact, here's a link to a medical review about mercury poisoning that hopefully will help educate you, and others:

Mercury Poisoning: A Crisis In Medical & Dental Science

You keep posting videos, I already told you they are not evidence, but mostly a compilation of opinions.

You made your decision on what you wanted to believe long before you actually researched most of those theories. All those links you googled are not evidence, and if you want the counter arguments just type 9/11 myth, or chemtrail myth, or whatever in google and you will see you get the same kind of plausible arguments with the other side of the coin (and little evidence).

As far as chemtrails, I googled it abit and people defending it were too extremist, talking about UFOs and CIA. To me, the simplest explanation is mind over matter. You are already convinced they are doing you harm, and when you see them in the sky you start obsessing about symptoms and probably also get depressed/fatigued. The theory that a massive conspiracy trying to rain you with harmful chemicals for poops and giggles seems too out there for me. Not to mention I don't understand the physics as far as a jet flying in a straight line and covering a massive area getting you all sick. And what is the point of leaving the straight contrail if the chemicals are invisibly covering the whole town?
You were severely mercury poisoined for a big part of your life. And a lot of people get more allergic as they go older, having had a compromised immune system half your life could be taking its toll

I could post many links and pretend I have hard evidence, but I won't bother.

Well I really do not think I'll be debating further as our opinions differ completely on every single issue ( I won't be bumping this again).Usually some middle ground is required to debate <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />. Don't take my arguments as thinking people can do no wrong (and some of those theories are probably be true), we agree as far as amalgams go but I don't think someone tried to intentionally poison us.

I hope you feel better, and hope you are not living in a constant paranoid state (it really is not healthy)

Because you don't have any. I am getting really annoyed with people who have strong opinions without any reason.


And you know this how?

I am extremely well educated about conspiracy issues, as is Laura. I have truly done my homework in this area. It took two years of research before I was convinced, but only because the information is solid.

I don't base my belief in conspiracies on videos, as you assert. I only link to them for the benefit of others.

For you to come on this system and say you're worried about me twice mixing insults in with your "concern" is reason for concern myself. Apparently, I'm not alone as others on this system have expressed the same concern.

We just got hit with a barrage of chemtrails within the past 45 minutes. My ears are ringing so loud it's difficult to imagine getting to sleep. My kidneys started hurting. I began sweating. My heart started skipping beats while you sit around categorically stating that they don't exist and that I am paranoid.

I think there is an other explaination for what is happening. I will quote Andy Cutler from the nomamalgam.com website:

"If you follow a standard "alternative medicine" or "witch doctor" protocol, e. g. DMSA every other day or DMPS injections monthly: you will get worse for 6 months to one year, then slowly get better for another several years - but behavioral and coordination problems are exacerbated by this therapy and emotional symptoms are not alleviated. There is also a substantial risk of psychiatric illness. Total time: a year of misery, 5 years to feel better, but you never will be completely well. If you drill out your fillings then do nothing: about the same thing will happen as with the "witch doctor" protocol, but without the side effects, expense, or risk of insanity. "

Mercury stays in the brain forever and unless you chelate it out it will cause you to have mental symptoms. Detoxing the body can make you feel much better and can even eliminate fatigue and depression but there will still be other symptoms that won't go away.

I have talked to a few people that were chelating with Alpha Lipoic Acid and many experienced that paranoia would go away with chelation. I have also made that experience.
It's no wonder that we feel constantly threatened when our nervous system is being attacked 24/7. So i believe Russ is correct when he says he is being attacked. It's just that the threat is not coming from outside and the war that he believes is going on in the sky is actually a war that is going on in his body.

Because you don't have any. I am getting really annoyed with people who have strong opinions without any reason.


And you know this how?

I am extremely well educated about conspiracy issues, as is Laura. I have truly done my homework in this area. We've spent hours in law libraries and have tested some of the knowledge we gained in court and in legal paperwork with the State of Florida. It took two years of research before I would call myself a conspiratorialist, and only then when I knew the information was solid.

I do not base my belief in conspiracies on videos, as you assert. I only link to them for the benefit of others.

For you to come on this system and say you're worried about me twice mixing insults in with your "concern" is reason for concern myself. Apparently, I'm not alone as others on this system have expressed the same concern.

We just got hit with a barrage of chemtrails within the past 45 minutes.

My ears are ringing so loudly that it's difficult to imagine getting to sleep, my kidneys started hurting, I began sweating, my heart started skipping beats, my joints started cracking horribly, Laura's muscles started aching, her back started hurting horribly, she got a headache, and all this while you sit back in judgement categorically stating that they don't exist and that I am / we are paranoid.

You are amazing.


Paraniod

Ya know, I figured out that some folks are so plugged into the matrix that even though they exhibit signs of intelligence in their verbal skills an appear to be able to reason, they all are just gonna use what passes for brains to desperately defend their pathetic argument because basically, they are in deep FEAR.

It's ok, it's all commin down, we don't need em on board anaways.

It's kinda funny to hear some a the reasons behind refusin to get what is goin on plain as the lines in the sky. And a course one a the best ways to defend their diminishing patch is to attack others like you Russ. Used to shock me , nowadays, I just move on, plant seeds, ignore the weeds.
But hey Russ, it's good to see ya!
Heres a lil chemtrail photo essay:
http://homepage.mac.com/carolepellatt/june08/PhotoAlbum305.html

An, Russ an Laura, you folks are the tops, been a huge help to a lot of folks and y'all have opened up a lot a minds, but ya can't open everbodies. No sense in bein offended .;) Comes with the territory.

If ya ain't paranoid y'all aint payin attention.

Thanks Elvis.

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You da man, Russ, don't forget it and conserve that precious energy, it's tough enough without wastin time on wombats.
No offense.
(to wombats)

I agree with that. Most people enjoy the bliss of ignorance...it's just easier not to think. It interests me and what has been going on for all these years behind our backs.
The lies we've been told and the scope of it is really amazing. The only reason I found out about the amalgam is because I was sick at a very early age. I did not even know they were made of mercury. When I was little my mom caught me playing with a thermometer and told me not to play with it because the mercury in it could poison me, if it were to break. I got my fillings when I was about 13 years old and when my dentist told me I had cavities, he told me he was going to fill them with silver!!!! I think if he would have said mercury I would have questioned the fact of that being a poison. That was just one little lie...one lie leads to another is what I am finding and for some it is just easier to ignore it.
For some the fear behind it is just too much to handle. It's sad because most of what I have found is from researching history itself....which is not a conspiracy but cold hard truth.

I noticed the chemtrails right off. I have been a nature lover all my life, being outside always made me feel closer to God and all he created and when thay started the spraying...well it just tee's me off to put it nicely. Why would anyone want to ruin such beauty is beyond me but when it is all about money I guess it makes alot of sense to some people. Riches, power and wealth. I would rather be as poor as a church mouse than to have my blue skies taken away along with my already struggling health. But hey that's ok there will be a better life for some of us and others...well that is not for me to decide.
I agree with Elvis you have a wonderful and very informative website. Wasting energy on some is just not worth the energy. You could talk till your blue in the face, for some people it just won't change a thing. Some of us have our eyes wide open though and I say keep up the good work. There will always be those of us that are labeled paranoid and crazy just because we are not willing to sit back and except the norm....ha whatever that is!!!
Rachel

I just want to point out to anybody reading this thread, that this matter regarding Russ and his recent crash into toxicity has already been brought up and addressed on this thread here http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/sh...=&sb=&o=&fpart=1 and answered as thoroughly as anybody could answer. Bg, has instead, decided to come onto this thread and start the same thing, when it has already been pointed out and repeated that the symptoms Russ has been experiencing in recent months have been DIRECTLY related to chemtrails. And those symptoms improve/disappear at the cessations of chemtrails. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out the connection.

Even if Russ (like many mercury toxic people) has experienced brain toxicity from his amalgams, the recent dramatic appearance of symptoms in recent months as he has CLEARLY POINTED OUT came on with the appearance of chemtrails. I will repeat, it seems that the symptoms coincide with the appearance of chemtrails and relief/improvement of symptoms coincide with the disappearance of them and he begins to improve again.

What part of this is actually hard to understand? Unless of course one reading this has a case of toxicity to where they are finding it hard to absorb information......or read properly.

Yes, Andy Cutler is correct, which is why everybody needs to not only remove their amalgams, but detox their body and brain. However, if a person has already removed amalgams and detoxed and experienced dramatic improvement, as Russ has, but only deteriorates when chemtrails appear (with the coinciding dramatic symptoms that Russ has pointed out, and by the way others too have experienced with chemtrails)that Russ has pointed out (which others have experienced also with chemtrails), then it's a no brainer that the two may well be connected. (even if there is remaining mercury in the brain from past amalgam mercury exposure).


I do not doubt that brain mercury can cause paranoia, amongst many other symptoms. However, I think you are trying very hard to match this up with Russ' experience with chemtrails, which again, is simply insulting when you see the symptoms that come on when they appear and how they improve when the chemtrails are gone. Laura has also pointed out her own experience and the symptoms with chemtrails which you seem to have completely ignored/overlooked.

It is not paranoia to try and remove oneself from a potential threat, if the person finds their symptoms coinciding with this "threat" each and everytime it appears. It is COMMON SENSE to do something about it. What you are insinuating here, is based on the fact you are simply not reading posts properly, but instead are ignoring much of what has been pointed out to you on here and bringing the matter back up on another thread, renewing the same assumptions/accusations.

You have not only brought this up on two separate threads, but jumped into this one to do the same thing. Obviously you are unable or not willing to really consider the obvious with the chemtrails, but would prefer to branch into YOUR ideas of why Russ's symptoms just coincidentally keep arising with the appearance of chemtrails and disappear when they cease.....most people probably don't have much of a problem making the connection. You maybe right, mercury it maybe or a similar toxin that is bringing on such dramatic sudden symptoms. Funny how they only appear with chemtrails isn't it?

It's not very surprising that we now have so many conspiracy theories going around. The past 10 years of internet has uncovered thousands of years of monopolized and controlled information. Conspiracies were easily hidden until the internet came along. Now people can see the evidence for themselves and decide for themselves instead of needing someone to tell them what is real. Watch Secret Service agents being called off from protecting JFK right before he was assassinated. Watch JFK's speech about uncovering Secret Societies. Watch building 7 collapse. Find out from a fellow patient that your silver fillings are 50% poison - something your dentist conveniently never told you. The internet is probably responsible for 99% of the mercury amalgam awareness today. Never before could a group of patients discuss health together and not be at the mercy of whatever his doctor pontificated or failed to disclose. Americans could even "leave America" and talk to people in another country or get news from an unbiased source.

Of course there are some people who need to be told what to do and think, and the battle in their heads, that cognitive dissonance and battle between new reason and old propoganda makes them go back to that safe side where they refuse to believe that they have been poisoned and swindled by their own government and so called "experts" (doctors, dentists etc...) and that a huge chunk of thier life was wasted and they didn't even know it. That hurts real bad, like finding out you had a brother that you never knew you had and finding out he was killed a long time ago. One day you wake up and find out that there is a big hole in your life, in your past, in your present, with more to come in your future, and you never knew it because you had always believed. You believed what you were told and you felt safe. Now you realize that you aren't so safe now, never really have been, and never will be. That's hard to face. People have a lot invested in the American Dream and to give up that dream, or part of it, is almost incomprehensible. Ironically, the country which invented the internet is the one which will be uncovered the most with all of the new information coming out. The other ironic thing is that it is Americans who are the most disillusioned with America. Go outside of the US and see that most foreigners think that 9/11 was an inside job, that most foreigners don't think (and never really did) that the US was the greatest country in the world. The American Dream has some legitimacy but it's also partly just that... a dream.

One rule in life that I have adopted over the years is to always always always see and inspect both sides of a situation, no matter how revolting or one-sided things may seem. The internet has made a huge difference in how I personally see the world. That doesn't mean I believe all conspiracies, it means I now see both sides of the situation and can clearly use my own reasoning to decide for myself. The playing field is more level now. Some can not think on a level playing field, those who need hierarchy not only need someone to tell them what to think, they need to tell others what to think. As others in this thread have stated, there are people who won't be able to think for themselves. They are used to being told a conclusion by someone else and then only seeing evidence supporting that conclusion. They use hierarchy-minded terms such as "no evidence, no proof, peer reviewed, reputation, credentials, etc..." The problem is that they are stuck holding the bag of faith which was handed down to them, because others are no longer as willing to buy into it and go by faith alone. And after being systematically poisoned, one tends to look at things (and people) with a bit more caution.

You all have spoken to this thread so eloquently, there's nothing left I can say except thank you for you sanity and sense of reason.

There is so much truth in the previous post speaking about the leveling of the playing field. The world has been replete with conspiracies (two-or-more people working together secretly) throughout history. Only in this age where people can communicate with each easily and we are able to record and replay events are we now able to corroborate massive amounts of information enabling us to come to more educated conclusions.

In fact, when Amy suggested that my amalgam fillings were the source of my health problems, the first thing I did was to go into the internet and do a search. I found others who had the same symptoms as mine which went away when their amalgams were removed (I don't think I included this fact in my story in trying to keep is short). But hearing the testimonies on the internet of others was critical in my decision to spend the money to have my amalgams removed.

Of course, I also called the office of Hal Huggins and they referred me to his book, suggesting that I read it before making any decisions. I did, and then I made the decision for amalgam removal, but the Internet played an important role in empowering me to make this decision. My thanks go to the people who had the consideration to post their stories.

As Bex said, there is a clear correlation between my current symptoms and the appearance of chemtrails. This is observable common-sense evidence that supports my position. This evidence was so consistent in Jamestown, that we spent thousands of dollars to move to a new location that we believed didn't have chemtrails. (We had taken 2 separate 4-day trips in which we saw one small chemtrail in the entire 8 days. It was over Ellsworth, 45 minutes from where we decided to move.)

So here we are.

Thanks everyone for you kindness and common sense.

About Mercury In Chemtrails

Since we have a long education in the corruption of the government and the related societies combined with knowledge of Bible prophecy, Laura and I have put enough pieces together to become convinced that the mercury in chemtrails is likely a "damage control" response from the powers-that-be (ptb).

Because so many have become aware of mercury in vaccines and amalgams in the past few years and have gotten better through detox, there would be very strong emerging epidemiological evidence that the mercury distributed through modern medicine was responsible for a great percentage of modern disease (which I believe it is). The ptb are in a corner and have to avert this discovery by the public by continuing to keep them mercury toxic. They have to do this by placing it in the last commodity that we have no choice but to use:

The air.

That is our theory based on the information we've discovered.

When people finally discover that chemtrails are harmful and contain very harmful substances—and they will—the perpetrators will have hell to pay, and rightfully so. Their execution will be celebrated far and wide. Their names will supersede Hitler for their human crimes. And finally, God will judge them knowing all that they've done, nothing being hidden.

So, there is hope and I am thankful for the reasonable people on this forum who have their eyes open and who offer their time by exposing their common sense observations and provide a fair warning to those who have ears to hear.


A few links related to Rick's previous post...

Forum Post (John F Kennedy): Kennedy On Secret Societies (video)

Forum Post (JFK): John F. Kennedy Secret Service Standdown (video)