News you won't see in controlled mainstream media.

I read a few of Russ posts and i am worried again. He is posting lots of normal looking pictures of the sky and believes seeing so called 'chemtrails'. He moved because he felt there were too many chemtrails over his house and maine was chemtrail free. Now he believes again that there are chemtrails over his new house.

He is wearing a painters mask 24/7(!) and feels he is being sprayed day and night. Something is clearly wrong here and i don't think it's the contrails. Too me it sounds like he is becoming dellusional. It's almost like the schizophrenic tin foil hat people. Not good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin-foil_hat
http://urlbam.com/ha/Jzzzz

Aren't you worried about him? Don't want to offend anyone but I feel obligated to share this with you. This story sucks big time <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

What do you think?

you're on dangerous territory here bg123. Your reaction to Russ' chemtrail illness is like 99% of the public's reaction to amalgam illness. Only we know ourselves and why and how sick we are. Live and let live...

Nicola

Hi bg213,

Thanks for your concern about Russ, and let me assure you that his mental health is fine. In fact, many people said the same things you did several years ago when we were trying to educate people about amalgam fillings!

Unfortunately, chemtrails are quite real. I am also affected by them, but not to the extent that Russ is. This is most likely due to several reasons, one of them being that I am probably a faster detoxifier than Russ. For examle, even though I had twice as many amalgam fillings and had had them just as long if not longer than Russ, I was not as physically sick as he was before we both had our fillings removed.

To address your comment about Maine...we both came up here twice before we moved here specifically to investigate the area for chemtrails. Neither of these times did we see any chemtrails, nor did Russ experience any of the physical affects of chemtrails, and we were here for 3 to 4 days on each trip (one in October and one in March). We did see and experience heavy chemtrails farther south in the Portland area, and all through parts of Massachusetts and New York while we were driving.

During both of these "investigative" trips, Russ' physicall symptoms began to subside a little and he started feeling better. And, during the first 2 days or so after we moved here, likewise, there were no chemtrails and he could definitely feel an improvement (I felt great too!). Even now, on days when there is no chemtrail spraying, he feels better.

Not believing in chemtrails is a very dangerous thing, because ALL of us are being exposed.

Just like with amalgam fillings, different people have different levels of tolerance, but make no mistake, like amalgam fillings, chemtrails are toxic. You may not believe so yet, but if you do more research (like you probably did with amalgam fillings), you will.

All across this country and around the world, people everywhere are realizing that these low flying, slow flying planes are leaving tracks in the sky that last anywhere from minutes to hours. Just take a few moments and google it and you'll see plenty of evidence of what I'm talking about. You don't have to take my or even Russ' word for it.

But to play the devil's advocate for a moment, let's pretend that chemtrails were "normal" and were just the exhaust fumes from planes made up of a mixture of ice crystals and jet fuel (I think this is what scoffers try to claim that they are). Well, do you really think that breathing in jet fuel fumes is healthy? You can read more about the Toxicological Assessment of Jet Fuel here, but in summary, it contains suspected carcinogens that have been linked to increased leukemia risk, as well as respiratory infections, etc.

And furthermore, do commercial jets fly in formation? or fly at low altitudes over populated areas that are nowhere near airports? or display no visible identification (i.e. no tail numbers which are required by federal aviation regulations)?

Nevertheless, chemtrails are real and the particles being sprayed into the air by these planes is far worse than just jet fuel. Again, you can google for this information and you'll find plenty of information, including local news stories from different areas around the country.

There is so much more information on this subject, but I just don't have the time to go into it. If you're truly interested and want to know the truth, visit the Chemtrail forum. Russ has posted plenty of videos and articles to get you started.

On a final note, have you stopped to wonder WHY the U.S. law allows the testing of chemicals and biologics on civilian population?

And, just HOW do you know that such experiments are not presently being conducted? Looking back through even recent U.S. history, it's happened before and the people ("subjects of the experiments") didn't know...until they started getting sick.

bg,

I'm responding to your post here because you presented a question to everyone at the end of your post .... "What do you think?"

Since you asked for opinions, here is mine:

Your worm-like attempt to cloak your defamatory remarks about Russ in a blanket of "concern" is offensive.

How was this post helpful?

You've done nothing but attempt to cast a perjorative tone on the suffering that another human being is having to endure.

I think it was a very ugly thing to do .... very ugly.

You make it look like i did a bad thing. I don't think that. I was just telling the truth how i felt about this issue.

Even if my mother would show me pictures of clouds above her house and tell me about the chemtrail story i would say to her that i feel this is dellusional thinking.

I can't help myself but Russ has posted completely normal looking pictures and claims they show basically clouds full of methylmercury that are EVERYWHERE and will soon kill half of the population or something like that.

I find that belief insane. Sorry. I don't know a better way to say this. These horror stories scare the hell out of people.

Of course a lot of people will attack me for this post but what can I do? I feel strongly about this issue.

I do believe that Russ is reacting to something and it's not all in his head but i find this fantasy that you cannot escape from mercury because it's everywhere quite crazy. What if the chemtrail theory is not true?

Sharon, I have to defend bg a little bit cause Russ being our moderator and a friend is right to be concerned about, and I dont believe bg had anything bad in mind.

Yet I also think Russ is a very intelligent and wise man, with lots of experience about toxic issues and knows his body very well and if he says the things he says, he has his reasons. Even if wearing a mask all day long seems over the top, he is right to be a bit 'too catious', we all sometimes react with paranoia to things knowing how vulnerable we are to all those toxins. (and not saying russ is actually paranoid about wearing the mask).

That being said, bg I think you were too hasty in jumping to conclusions, you should be more diplomatic and ask russ first things like "why do you think the clouds are chemtrails?", you know russ took those pictures and maybe sa it had been clear sky that day and planes were flying over and what we see in the picture as clouds might be actualy those chemtrails settling immitating clouds. Maybe Russ has access to satelite photos over his area and knows on which particular day the sky should be clear, and thus assumes those have to be chemtrails?. Maybe he found out there are airline paths over his area and has right to assume all this?

Those are important questions to ask before jumping to conclusions. Dont assume automatically russ hadn't done hus homework.

Russ knows that posting the information that he does is risky because many will not believe and many will accuse him of being crazy and what not. Even Jesus went through similar interactions with people because he spoke the truth. I think Russ is very credible and does he research thoroughly and also listens to his body. He is a brave man trying to spread information that is pertinent to us all, and I respect him highly for that.

He is tackling sensitive issues and doing a very good job raising awareness of these things.

bg123,

To you, the pictures of the skies that Russ has posted look normal. They may look normal to some other people also. You'll may even find so-called "authorities" who say the criss-cross and zig-zag patterns in the skies and all the long "trails" or spread-out "wisps" (from previous trails that has dispersed over time) are normal.

Unfortunately, as with vaccinations, mercury fillings, pharmaceutical drugs, GM (genetically-modified) foods, fluoride, etc., the public by-and-large is not being told the truth, or at least, not the whole truth. It's not unlike the "stories" told about asbestos, or agent orange, or 3-mile island, or PG&E and their hexavalent chromium dumping (remember the real-life Eric Brockovich), or coal slurry in the water supplies in West Virginia.

Hopefully, you get the point. Many people, including "authorties" and "experts", said the individuals who were sounding the alarm about these crimes against humanity were "insane", "delusional" and "schizophrenic".

Again, I encourage you to not take my word, or even Russ' word for it, but do your own research. And by this, I mean actually read, watch and study the factual information available.

Read the U.S. law allowing citizens to be tested upon; watch the interviews with different doctors who have had air samples and soil samples tested; read the actual physical and scientific requirements for making harmless "contrails."

I sincerely hope people don't just naively follow the crowd, because they may just be heading toward a cliff.

I've posted this before on the Forum. Thought I'd repost it here in case anyone might be interested in using the information as a launching pad for further research on the issue of Chemtrails.



From the July 2006 Idaho Observer:

Chemtrails:GAO report admits "chaff"

Lab report reveals much more

Last May a family in Iowa contacted the office of Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) to report the constant criss-crossing of "chemtrails" in the sky above their neighborhood.

They received back from the senator’s office a General Accounting Office (GAO) report on "military chaff" and the material safety data sheet for aluminum-coated fiberglass fibers being spread—seven days a week for several hours each day—in the skies above their home.

The chaff is spread by pilots learning how to mask planes or send false radar images.

It was reported that the military also has lead-based chaff, but that it is not being used at this time.

Chaff was used by the military in Europe in WWII and, according to the GAO, had been used in training here at home since the 50s.

Once chaff reaches the ground, it breaks down into particles small enough to inhale.

Though military spokespeople insist that chaff is not harmful, the GAO report concluded that health effects are unknown and more studies are needed.

Regardless, some members of this family are very sick.

On May 23, after a hard rain the day before, they a noticed glittering substance and a pinkish-colored powder substance on the roof of their house.

They then noticed the glittering substance on many surfaces, even the dashboard of the family car. Both substances were collected and sent to a lab for analysis.

Among the substances found to be in the samples were several that should simply not be there:

6 bacteria, including anthrax and pneumonia

9 chemicals including acetylcholine chloride

26 heavy metals including arsenic, gold, lead,mercury, silver, uranium and zinc

4 molds and fungi

7 viruses

2 cancers

2 vaccines

2 sedatives

Over the last several months, The IO has received a significant increase in chemtrail-related calls and letters.

Most report a dramatic increase in chemtrail "spraying" activity in their areas; some are reporting the development of chronic flu-like symptoms, chronic fatigue and body aches that they have never before experienced.

We intend to expound upon this subject in greater detail—hopefully next month.

If you are seeing the relationship between accelerated chemtrail spraying in your area and symptoms among friends, family and members of your community, begin writing it down and send the information to us by mail or email.

Note times, dates and specific symptoms.

If you live near a military installation, expect that you are being "sprayed."

You may want to contact your senator or rep and, politely (that is how you get the information you are seeking) request the forwarding of any information that may be available on the military chaff being used in your area.

After obtaining relevant documents from your rep or senator, consider using it to obtain epidemiological data from your local health department.

Bg 123, no disrespect, but are ya sure y'all are in the right forum? Y'all think those are normal clouds? What ever convinced ya to break ranks an question the "normal" fillins in your mouth, cuz ya see, to the average bear, mercury fillins are as normal as barium/aluminium clouds.Course maybe y'all are a government employee... could make sense, cuz it don't otherwise. Hmmmmmm... too right.

Been feelin real bad about you an Russ movin so far only to land right back in the soup, Laura. Must be powerful frustratin . The human body is only a vehicle....still an all, it's real crappy to find y'all are under the same dang assault, like havin somebody puttin aspartame in your gas tank...sheesh, sugar would be more like to the ol jet fuel, leastaways knew what to do with that sitiation....
scuse the ramble...

Real big condolences to ya both. Ma best advice is to enjoy the off-spray days as much as y'all can. These barstewards can not be keepin it up for long...there's a change a commin...
Very best to ya both Russ an Laura, y'all are top quality folks, an maybe folks don' say it enough.
On a philosophical note, this too shall pass.
Important thing is INTEGRITY. Y'all got it in buckets an. spades, an thats a powerful influence for good.
I got a deep gratitude in ma heart for what all you two fine folks have created here, I've seen a real broadening in folks understandin of seemingly peripheral issues mainly and strictly down to the level headed , intelligent, polite and rational way info is provided, and not just by you two .
Course not everbody is gonna get it .

Hmm, I don't think you need to worry. If you want to worry, worry about Russ' and Laura's wellbeing, rather than their sanity. Both of them are two of the saner people I've encountered on the internet. Far from emotional or paranoid, they're down to earth and very knowledge. Both of them have their head screwed on. Your post is unfounded and frankly rather insulting, given how much help and information they've provided on these forums for us toxic folks who are often disbelieved by the rest of the world about mercury (considering it barely shows up on testing).

Or perhaps we too are all delusional? Based on the fact it's not actually visible is it?

With my sensitivities/toxicity, I would not last in environment like that with chemtrails (I have even been poisoned by using a large scented candle, I kid you not). I am lucky where I am living in New Zealand. VERY LUCKY. I once visited my Mother who lives in a more rural area and I was so ill by being there, I had to lie down in the car all the way home. I got sicker the longer I was there. Again, this is probably due to the spraying in their area. Due to the symptoms I had. Interesting enough, people in that area have a high cancer rate, so much so that is alarming. I took two weeks to recover from one visit.

I am too scared now to go back. This is hardly my fault, it is hardly delusional, it is very real. I don't SEE the spray, but I feel it. Yet I am ok going in most other areas. Similar to how I am with cats. Some cats I am fine, some cats I get extremely ill from allergies. Could that make me delusional or paranoid? Considering you cannot see the allergen that is causing such profound effects on me? Do I just become delusional with some cats and not with others?

Because I am sensitive to toxins, I can react very quickly. Others do not, stronger, better immunity etc, less sensitive, but it is STILL affecting them too over time. Unless they are super human. Perhaps those too who have suffered (or are suffering) mercury toxicity are far more vulnerable from then on to any other toxin.

I wouldn't wish chemtrails on anybody, particularly those more vulnerable to their effects, and toxicity from mercury or past toxicity could also cause a person to be impacted much more to other toxins (including future exposure to mercury) than maybe many people.

I have been in contact with a lady in Kentucky who suffers the same from chemtrails and also has to wear a mask (going out too). She said it's totally humiliating, but she has no other choice, unless she wants to pass out, or spent time on the floor vomiting, heaving with burning in the nose. Nothing insane or paranoid about her, I've been in touch for a long time in the past and she was about as down to earth as you could get. She knew some others who experienced the same, but many did not, therefore she was up for similar comments as to her sanity by those who were not affected (or seemingly unaffected). Just like the people with amalgams who get away with it commenting on those that do not.

Personally I think your post was unnecessary. Considering the time and effort Russ and Laura have put into these forums to educate and support those of us suffering from such toxicities. Their knowledge and sharing is appreciated by all of us. Evaluating his sanity on a public forum is embarrassing. Youre lucky he's not delusional and paranoid, I wonder what someone in such a state would do if they had a post like that typed about them. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Hey BG
Your post is way out of line. Russ has his eyes wide open, he is neither dillusional nor crazy!!! What he sees is real chemtrails not contrails. The reason I know this is because we have been getting sprayed here too in texas nearly every day and yes on those days I feel extremely worse. I have also done my homework on the chemtrail activity and people are reporting it all over the world. Where have you been? Wake up and open your eyes read a little, you might just find out that it is you being paranoid and dillusional!!!
BTW I have also posted pics on the chemtrail forum as well. Does that mean you will question my sanity as well. My pics are in these threads.
http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/sh...=&sb=&o=&fpart=1
http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/sh...=&sb=&o=&fpart=1 Go take a look at that forum and do some research. Go outside the forum and google chemtrail and see what you come up with. Wait I'll do it for you! Here is a site that is very informative.
http://bariumblues.com/
In May we were getting sprayed so heavily from May 8th until Memorial Day in which we got a couple of days break I actually could see clear blue sky, wonderful weekend that was considering we all spent Mother's day under a very real chemtrail haze...just awful. My husband was very skepitcal until that sunday(mother's day) He had been sitting in the yard and I had company visiting and we were in the house. When we walked out that day all we could see was a haze and I knew what it was cause like I said I have done my homework. Well my husband had this look on his face like he wanted to tell me something and finally I asked him what was wrong. Only thing he could say was look around you and a few days before that he had told me that's all you talk about is chemtrails...so I shutup about it. But that day the look on his face you would have thought the world was caving in on him. He is very much an outdoors person and some days its hard to tell the chemtrails but that day there was no mistaking it especially since he had been sitting in the yard for a couple of hours and the spray was so heavy that day. All he could do is look up and shake his head. Needless to say he had a very huge apology for me. My children especially my daughter did not believe either until that 3 weeks worth of spraying. My daughter is also a believer now as a matter of fact she seen a plane the other day flying very low and tried to follow where the stream had been laid down but lost it as they are using a mix now that dissipates very quickly. Turns the whole sky white. I would really suggest you do your research and open your eyes...maybe even pick up your bible and take a looksy...this might help you become more infomed especially before you accuse someone of being paranoid and dillusional.
Rachel

bg123,

I respectfully ask that you not create any more posts of "concern" for me. Unfortunately your posts associate me with "tinfoil hat people" and with people who are "delusional" (your own words). I am a very busy person who would really rather spend time helping people rather than feeling as though I need to defend myself against these types of associations.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that your intentions are well-meaning, but I also ask that you to recognize these things:

(1) The manner in which you have worded your "worried about russ" threads is derogatory. As an adult, I truly expect you to know better than to show "concern" for someone while associating them with the terms: "delusional" and "schizophrenic tin foil hat people".

(2) I answered your concern in your previous "worried about russ" thread, and just as in the response I gave to you there, I would ask that you do your research before throwing the conclusions that others have drawn from their research into ridicule.

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."

—Albert Einstein

Let's do our best not to fall into this trap.

(3) We have a cultural custom here in the U.S. (your I.P. indicates you're in Australia). That is, if you are concerned about someone, you approach the person you're concerned about first privately. If that does not work, then you privately approach others to approach the one you're concerned about. Finally, if you all believe there is a serious problem that cannot be solved privately, and you believe that it is serious enough to be made public, then you bring it to the public. This sequence of events (which happens to originate in the Bible) protects people from just this kind of situation.

Now, I answered your previous thread in detail and provided plenty of information to substantiate my belief that chemtrails are new (that is, within the past several years) and that they are harmful to me. Here is a link to my post:

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As I said in the above post, I have watched the skies all of my life. I know what a contrail is and how it is formed. I know why it exists, and why it dissipates. I have watched them all of my life (if I was lucky, I would spot 4 or 5 per year) and therefore I know that what I am seeing coming out of large, unmarked, low-flying, slow-flying jets (often flying near my house at a rate of one every 2.5 minutes for 2 to 8 hours non-stop and many in formations of 2 or 4) are not contrails. It is simply not physically possible that they are contrails.

Add to that, the fact that (ONLY) when they appear, all of the following symptoms follow:

# burning sinuses
# cracking joints
# weak/skipping heart beat
# sweating
# shooting pain in joints
# nausea
# brain fog
# poor memory
# inability to concentrate
# fatigue
# dark circles under my eyes
# salty metallic taste in my mouth (strong)
# headache
# tight/twitching muscles
# tingling in hands and feet
# oily skin
# loud ringing in the ears
# pain in my hips and shoulders
# heartburn
# constipation
# grumpiness and irritability

As a reference, here is a list of symptoms reported by other people all over the world in response to the appearance of chemtrails:

# Allergies, sore and blocked sinuses
# Dry, hacking, persistent cough
# Nosebleeds, blood in mucous
# Swollen, burning, teary eyes with mucous
# Flu-like, fever, sore throat
# Pneumonia, upper respiratory
# Mycoplasma infections
# Migraine or splitting headaches
# Pain in back of neck, particularly at the top of the spine, extremely stiff neck
# Disorientation, foggy brain, sudden dizziness
# Extreme fatigue, lethargy, inability to concentrate
# Loud ringing in your ears
# Depression, anxiety attacks
# Gastrointestinal distress, bloating
# Diarrhea, bloody stools
# Joint pain, aching joints and muscles
# Thirst (your pets, too!) or loss of appetite
# Loss of bladder control, tics or spasms
# Reoccurring fungal infections
# Metallic, oily or corrosive smell and taste

I have been outside most of my life. Before my bout with mercury in the late 90's, I would bike 50 miles a week (easily), play racquetball for 1.5 hours in the hot summer Florida afternoon sun 3 to 5 times per week, and work out with weights 1 to 2 hours per night about 4 to 5 nights per week. I was outside a lot and always watched the sky. For this reason, it is clear to me that I have never in my life seen anything that even remotely resembles what is happening today.

So, please be careful about associating me (or anyone else) with such derogatory concepts as delusion or tin foil hats. If you care about someone, approach the privately first.

Finally, I do appreciate your concern and I also appreciate your history of offering help or ideas to the other awesome people on this forum.

I hope these pictures help bring awareness to those who have not realized that chemtrails are not benign.

You can see the satellite photos at full size here:
http://urlbam.com/ha/Lzzzz


First three pictures: The east coast of Maine.

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Following are some photos that I took myself of chemtrails over Jamestown, New York and over Amherst, Maine (near Bangor).


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The photos below are of chemtrail remains. I watched the trails come out of the jets myself and then watched them form into these shapes...

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This was released from a jet directly over my house in Jamestown (I watched the event myself)...

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Amherst (near Bangor) Maine, just a few days ago...

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Russ i mostly agree with your response. I should have tried to write a more carefully worded post. So i apologize if this offended you. I promise i won't create a 'worried about russ' post in the future <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I was not not trying to pick a fight with you or anything like that. My post was more like a wake up call as i felt the whole chemtrail thing was really getting out of control on this board and people should try to find real solutions for their health problems instead of blaming the evil governement for everything.

I personally found that the more toxic you are the more likely you are to believe in conspiracy theories. When you get rid of the mercury many of the scary theories become hilarious.

When we are toxic and pessimistic, anxious, negative, fearful it's normal that
we gravitate toward dark and scary stuff.

In my opinion everyone who is heaviliy involved in conspiracy theories should consider chelation therapy. I believe that the affected organ is the brain so you will need something that can cross the BBB to be effective for that.

I do believe that authority is not always telling the truth and should be questioned. So i believe people should learn about alternative views of society and politics.But i find it gets problematic when people believe every theory and feel everything is
just a big conspiracy.

For example: Some people say mercury amalgams are a mind control tool of the elite. In reality most people have mercury amalgams and are fine. They
are not affected and doing well. We are just a small unfortunate minority<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/gunshot.gif" alt="" /> If this were really some form of mind control it would be extremely ineffective.

I found most of the other conspiracies to be semi-truths at best with lots of hype and little or no facts. I also believe many of the conspiracy theorists are highly toxic.

As for the chemtrails theory: I do not believe this to be true. I cannot observe the chemtrail phenomen where i live, maybe the sky looks different where you are.

Russ i do believe that you are experiencing mercury symptoms. Did consider the possibility that your high-sulfur detox program got rid of your body mercury while also concentrating additional mercury in the brain which is causing problems now?
Maybe you have also been exposed to mercury when you lived near a coal-burning power plant? If this were true you could easily cure yourself with a detoxification program...

Bg, did you actually read Russ' posts properly? Whether or not you believe conspiracy theories is not the whole issue here. Chemtrails do effect people, perhaps not everybody. Did you read my post about the lady in Kentucky I speak to? Everytime there are chemtrails, she goes through a nightmare and now has nerve damage (permanent).....The symptoms Russ experienced are almost identical to what she told me about herself. Why do their symptoms improve or even disappear when the chemtrails cease? Why do they return when the chemtrails come back?

I am honestly not sure whether you even read what is posted about how they have affected people. Russ detoxed his mercury years ago (Russ I hope you don't mind me speaking here on your behalf) and was healthier than many of us. He had already recovered. Which is why he was able to get involved into the stuff he's interested in and actually study properly again, which takes a detoxified brain to do so. This is why he's probably very clear on here and much calmer than many mercury toxic people. When many are hyper emotional and often do not take in details, are depressed, etc....

He had not even been suffering as far as I'm aware, and was very well. Until the chemtrails started and this is when the sh*t hit the fan. Laura also noticed it, but perhaps not as extensively as Russ? I'm not sure why you are in denial about the chemtrails and are trying to blame it on something else, when he has clearly pointed out what happened, when it happened and eachtime it's been DIRECTLY related to chemtrails. I'm assuming you are aware of how much chemical spraying can harm people and what it can do right? Nerve damage etc. Consider the damage done in the past by chemicals used and not being tested properly for safety. So bad in fact, not only affecting the people living, but their offspring also. Severe deformities etc. These things have occured. Though what's being used now may not be so dramatic, they can profoundly effect some people, so badly that it can ruin a person's life. See even you admit that not everybody is affected by amalgam, yet because you are....you can then believe it can occur.

Russ has made it clear about what he's experienced here as a result of the chemtrails and I wonder which part of this is not actually getting through to you? He had all those symptoms before he used the chlorella by the way. The mask and use of chlorella came later as a way of trying to prevent and absorb the toxins and evidentally he feels it helps. But obviously one would need to look for an area that is TRULY free of chemtrails and I don't know how easy that is going to be.

Again, whether you believe in conspiracy theories or not, denying someone's experience and toxicity with chemtrails is downright insulting. You can't believe it is so, therefore it isn't so and it must be something else, even though Russ is the one going through it, as are other people around the world apparently. Isolated cases maybe (who knows though? How extensive these sufferings may actually be, not everybody knows what is happening to them or talks about it on the net), (similar to amalgam toxicity).

As far as I know, Russ has lived where he was for sometime and was doing fine. I have been on this forum for AGES and in all that time, Russ has shown no sign of such sickness/symptoms and has been healthy and seemed to enjoy learning and educating and interacting with others on here. It makes no sense to mention a coal burning plant, considering he's been in the same place without a problem before. It only started with chemtrails. Consider the connection and other people's experiences with it, it's very real.

Bex, i think i understood Russ post(s). I didn't read your post about the lady in kentucky.

In the past he had said that he felt the coal powerplant near jamestown was affecting him. My theory is that he still has some mercury in the CNS which is causing him problems now. Maybe he has also had a more recent environmental exposure from the coal powerplant.

I believe that people who had moderate to severe mercury toxicity in the past should consider detoxing their brain even if they feel recovered.

This nice graph shows how long you have to chelate to do this.

<img src="http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5181/brain20mercury20decayqm4.png">

I do not believe that chematrails are real for various reasons. So there must be an other explaination for Russ's mercury symptoms.

People who believe in chemtrails believe in many things. I visited different chemtrail sites and found they were not only talking about chemtrails but also about sylphs. Sylphs appear to be mystical creatures that appear together with chemtrails to protect the population from the harmful effects of the spraying. Sylphs look exactly like normal clouds but the chemtrail theorists believe they can see supernatural angel like beings in the sky.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sylphs_chemtrails/sylphstransmutechemtrails06jun04.htm

These people will believe anything they read somewhere on the net but call themselves independent thinkers. Don't tell me this is not nonsense.

bg123,

Your response to Russ begs several questions:

1) You wrote: My post was more like a wake up call as i felt the whole chemtrail thing was really getting out of control on this board and people should try to find real solutions for their health problems instead of blaming the evil governement for everything.

If the above is true, then why label the thread "Worried about Russ...again"?

Furthermore, why start a thread where you question Russ' sanity for believing in Chemtrails in an entirely different forum, instead of in the Chemtrail Forum?

2) You wrote: I personally found that the more toxic you are the more likely you are to believe in conspiracy theories. When you get rid of the mercury many of the scary theories become hilarious.

How did you come to this conclusion? How did you conclude that people who believe in conspiracy theories were more toxic than others? How many people have you personally foundwho, after they got rid of their mercury, found their prior beliefs hilarious?

3) You wrote: But i find it gets problematic when people believe every theory and feel everything is just a big conspiracy.

Who are the "people" you are addressing on this forum who believe every theory? How did you determine that these "people" believe everything is just a big conspiracy?

4) You wrote: Some people say mercury amalgams are a mind control tool of the elite. In reality most people have mercury amalgams and are fine. They are not affected and doing well. We are just a small unfortunate minority If this were really some form of mind control it would be extremely ineffective.

By what methods have you deduced that most people with mercury amalgams are fine? Have you had detailed discussions with them concerning their health history?

Also, what evidence do you have that mercury amalgams would be extremely ineffective as a form of mind control?

5) You wrote: I found most of the other conspiracies to be semi-truths at best with lots of hype and little or no facts.

Which conspiracies have you found to be semi-truths? What evidence do you have to support your conclusion? What information do you have that unequivocally debunks these theories?

6) You wrote: As for the chemtrails theory: I do not believe this to be true. I cannot observe the chemtrail phenomen where i live, maybe the sky looks different where you are.

Since you have not even observed this phenomena personally, what do you base your belief on that it isn't true?


Unfortunately, bg123, your "concern" for Russ is coming across to me, and it appears other readers as well, as an attempt to try to discredit Russ and the information he has posted. Quite frankly, your concern seems entirely disingenuous.

Furthermore, your post against chemtrails and conspiracy theorists is full of unsupported claims and lots of your own opinions, many of which are derogatory. These are the kinds of tactics used to stir up controversy and distract people from discussing the truth.

If you have helpful information for people who are truly mercury toxic, you are more than welcome to contribute and be a positive force on this forum.

However, I kindly request that you dispense with your character assassinations of people who believe differently than you about chemtrails or any other theories you disagree with.

In the future, lest you be too quick to "cast the first stone", remember, you yourself are a conspiracy theorist in the eyes of some (many?) doctors and dentists in the mainstream medical community because you believe in mercury toxicity and its deleterious effects on the body.

I'm worried about bg123, ...again
(S/)He's either a spook ( lookin kinda likely) or a chowderhead.
no offence.

Anaways, I ain't mercury toxic. And we're talkin conspiracy REALITIES here.
Laura, you're a kind and patient soul.
sheesh...
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Here is what is think about this laura.

[color:"red"]
1) You wrote: My post was more like a wake up call as i felt the whole chemtrail thing was really getting out of control on this board and people should try to find real solutions for their health problems instead of blaming the evil governement for everything.

If the above is true, then why label the "Worried about Russ...again"?
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Yes it is true but it is also true that i felt Russ' behaviour had definitely changed in the past weeks and clearly seemed to be out of control in my opinion. I found that to be of concern.

[color:"red"] Furthermore, why start a thread where you question Russ' sanity for believing in Chemtrails in an entirely different forum, instead of in the Chemtrail Forum? [/color]

I felt that it was not only about Russ but also about chemtrails. I feel that the "Amalgam Poisoning Forum" has become more like a general discussion forum where most of the important stuff gets posted.

[color:"red"]2) You wrote: I personally found that the more toxic you are the more likely you are to believe in conspiracy theories. When you get rid of the mercury many of the scary theories become hilarious.

How did you come to this conclusion? How did you conclude that people who believe in conspiracy theories were more toxic than others? [/color]

This is my personal experience. The more you mercury I cleared from my brain the more i could see how ridicilous these theories really are. I also noticed
on different message boards that the individuals who where most toxic(people complaining about having the most intense mercury related symptoms) were very often also heaviliy involved in conspiracy theories.

[color:"red"]How many people have you personally found who, after they got rid of their mercury, found their prior beliefs hilarious?[/color]

Me. I have also interacted with a few people who had completed their brain detox and none of them was interested in conspiracies.

[color:"red"]3) You wrote: But i find it gets problematic when people believe every theory and feel everything is just a big conspiracy.

Who are the "people" you are addressing on this forum who believe every theory?[/color]

I don't think i said said they were on this board. Believing in every theory seems to be the general attitude of most conspiracy theorists. This becomes clear if you visit a few conspiracy websites.

I do recall two things Russ said that shows "every little thing is part of a big conspiracy" attitude.

Russ said that the media(the elite) is promoting tatoos because they contain mercury and they want people become sick.
Again this would be totally ineffective. Only the red tatoos contain mercury and most people don't get red tatoos.
Also if the chemtrail theory was true and the air is full of mercury contrails what sense would it make to promote toxic tatoos(that most people don't get) if the air is so poisoned anyway?

Totally illogical.

This post where Russ says he believes an ad has 'hidden chematrails' in it is an other example of "every little thing is part of a big conspiracy" attitude.

http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/sh...=&sb=&o=&fpart=1


[color:"red"]How did you determine that these "people" believe everything is just a big conspiracy?[/color]

It's very obvious. They also say this. Even the theories they don't believe in are part of this.(disinformation campaign)

[color:"red"]4) You wrote: Some people say mercury amalgams are a mind control tool of the elite. In reality most people have mercury amalgams and are fine. They are not affected and doing well. We are just a small unfortunate minority If this were really some form of mind control it would be extremely ineffective.

By what methods have you deduced that most people with mercury amalgams are fine?.[/color]

I haven't but there are others who have done this. Most people with amalgams don't have a deranged mineral hair transport for example. This is a fact. There are many many mercury toxic people but we are still a minority.

[color:"red"]Also, what evidence do you have that mercury amalgams would be extremely ineffective as a form of mind control? [/color]

They are not effective because only a minority is affected by them as evidenced by normal mineral transport showing up in the hair.

[color:"red"]5) You wrote: I found most of the other conspiracies to be semi-truths at best with lots of hype and little or no facts.

Which conspiracies have you found to be semi-truths? What evidence do you have to support your conclusion? What information do you have that unequivocally debunks these theories?.[/color]

Semi-truth at best but very often little or no truth. The evidence i have is that conspiracy theorists have no evidence to support their conclusions.
This becomes clear if you watch a few of the most popular conspiracy videos on youtube. Lots of meaningless quotes, dramatic music but no facts.

[color:"red"] 6) You wrote: As for the chemtrails theory: I do not believe this to be true. I cannot observe the chemtrail phenomen where i live, maybe the sky looks different where you are.

Since you have not even observed this phenomena personally, what do you base your belief on that it isn't true?.[/color]

There is no real evidence to support this theory. Most people who believe in chemtrails believe also in other theories which have nothing to do with reality. "sylphs" for example.

Why not? I thought you were.

guys instead of debating whether bg's observation about russ is right or wrong (and everybody has agreed he has crossed the line), why not focus on the merits of the actual subject: how much indeed are the chemtrails of danger?

i don't think they are dangerous since chemtrails don't exist. Russ could prove that he is being sprayed with mercury and post a recent hair test showing deranged mineral transport and/or elevated mercury. Others could also do this.

what do you mean chemtrails dont exist? do mean chemtrails or the problem of chemtrails (toxicity) irself? cause everybody sees them being sprayed in the sky bg, question is what is in fact in them, how often and heavily is a particular area sprayed and how does it affect living organisms?

as far as deranged mineral transport - ven cutler says that people who dont have it can still have a mercury problem and ultimetaly symptoms and chelating are the answer. Plus you bg asking russ to post a hair test is like asking him to explain himself of his (possible in)sanity... so thread carefully my friend.

I mean they are just contrails and do not contain any significant mercury of course. The hair test was just an idea. It's an effective way to find out of if you are being exposed to toxic elements.

yeah but how do you know it doesn't contain any significant mercury? cause i believe russ has done his research, have you bg?

jinx i cannot prove that chemtrails do not exist. I do find the evidence that Russ posts in the chemtrail section not very convincing however. Most other conspiracy theories are also not based on facts. So why should this be true?

Do you really believe all over the world are flying planes that will kill soon half of the human population?

if this were true you can stop worrying about amalgams and chelation <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Well same can be said or tould have been said about emrcury fillings at some point, right? Yet it turns out to be true for many people. Even if chemtrails it turns out to be a mambo-jumbo, there still seems to be anecdotal evidence from the people and their symptoms, so why not let it be discussed (especially after what we have been through with mercury fillings)? Remember that lack of significantly convincing evidence is not the same as presence of undoubtedly debunking evidence.



Well kill is a heavy word, it all depends on how we read it, but if Russ has used this, knwing him, I don't believe he meant that people will literally one by one start droopping dead, but that, same as mercury fillings, those things will keep poisoning people and combined with mercury and other toxicity and ailments it will cause serious disease boom - thus death in the long run. I believe russ has used the word in a broader meaning, but purposefully to emphasise the weight of the problem.

I don't know if russ said this but many suggest that chemtrails are a depopulation program. They say they want to kill 80% of the human population or something like that. I don't recall the exact figure but it isn't an exact science anyway.

so is this post about russ or some conspiracy theorists now? cause russ can distance himself from those folks who say it's a definite depopulation programme, same as I or others can distance themsleves from views that mercury fillings are a depopulation programme which is too much.

well i don't know what this thread has become. It was started because i felt Russ was acting weird in the last weeks. I seemed to have extremely intense mercury symptoms Then he reported being sprayed more often and also spraying and symptoms always seemed to get more intense. The pics he posted looked completely normal but there was clearly something going on. It looked a bit like he was losing touch with reality.(to me because i don't believe that chemtrails are real)

Most people did not seem to notice anything and that's why i made my post then.

BG
What is your point? All of us see Russ's sanity is fine however I am strongly worried about yours. You may not have the chemtrails happening there but that does not mean that it is not happening. Not everyone that believes and see's chemtrails with their own eyes believes in slyphs...they look like a chemtrail that has spread out to me, from the site you presented. I could not tell ya about that...I am just reporting what I have seen with my own eyes.
Since mercury toxcity is true and the government allowed the ama,ada,fda,and epa(which are all government entities as well) to allow them to put mercury in our mouths and in our bodies via our vaccines then what makes you think that they aren't up to other ways to poison people....after all they are lining their pockets right now off of all our suffering.
The bible speaks of a one world government and the mark of the beast...verichip would be a good example and all of this is being implemented by the government.
It would be very hard to implement a one world government without first knocking the population down. They know there would be an up rising against them.
The bible also tells us of a war that will kill a 1/3 of mankind. The government can make a war out of anything...war on drugs, war on terrorism,they are big on wars. So what makes you think they are not poisoning us on purpose?
Just our vaccines alone are enough to question without the thimerisol in them. Whoever thought that introducing the polio virus into the blood stream would keep us from getting polio? That is weird in the first place. Knowing that God made the human body to heal itself what was the need in giving me polio? Btw I struggle with polio everyday and when I asked my ND where I got polio she said my vaccines and I never had another doc in all my years and days of going to mainstream dr's tell me what was wrong with my legs...and I have struggled all my life with this problem. Don't know where your logic is bg...do you really believe that other people are not struggling from amalgam poisoning? There are so many diseases now...don't ya wonder where they come from? Fibromyalgia is one that was only a syndrome up until recently, once the pharmaceutical industry made a med for it then it was actually classified as a diaease. Don't you think that is a little weird. And who have they tested this new med on? Nobody....it is being tested now on unsuspecting people looking for relief from this disease. Here is a prime example of the government testing experiment on unsuspecting people.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmtuskegee1.html

The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment
The U.S. government's 40-year experiment on black men with syphilis

by Borgna Brunner

"The United States government did something that was wrong—deeply, profoundly, morally wrong. It was an outrage to our commitment to integrity and equality for all our citizens... clearly racist."

—President Clinton's apology for the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment to the eight remaining survivors, May 16, 1997

For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,” their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all.

The data for the experiment was to be collected from autopsies of the men, and they were thus deliberately left to degenerate under the ravages of tertiary syphilis—which can include tumors, heart disease, paralysis, blindness, insanity, and death. “As I see it,” one of the doctors involved explained, “we have no further interest in these patients until they die.”

Using Human Beings as Laboratory Animals

Taliaferro Clark
Taliaferro Clark, Head of the U.S. Public Health Service at the outset of the experiment.
The true nature of the experiment had to be kept from the subjects to ensure their cooperation. The sharecroppers' grossly disadvantaged lot in life made them easy to manipulate. Pleased at the prospect of free medical care—almost none of them had ever seen a doctor before—these unsophisticated and trusting men became the pawns in what James Jones, author of the excellent history on the subject, Bad Blood, identified as “the longest nontherapeutic experiment on human beings in medical history.”

The study was meant to discover how syphilis affected blacks as opposed to whites—the theory being that whites experienced more neurological complications from syphilis, whereas blacks were more susceptible to cardiovascular damage. How this knowledge would have changed clinical treatment of syphilis is uncertain.

Although the PHS touted the study as one of great scientific merit, from the outset its actual benefits were hazy. It took almost forty years before someone involved in the study took a hard and honest look at the end results, reporting that “nothing learned will prevent, find, or cure a single case of infectious syphilis or bring us closer to our basic mission of controlling venereal disease in the United States.”

When the experiment was brought to the attention of the media in 1972, news anchor Harry Reasoner described it as an experiment that “used human beings as laboratory animals in a long and inefficient study of how long it takes syphilis to kill someone.”

A Heavy Price in the Name of Bad Science

To ensure that the men would show up for a painful and potentially dangerous spinal tap, the PHS doctors misled them with a letter full of promotional hype: “Last Chance for Special Free Treatment.”

The fact that autopsies would eventually be required was also concealed.
By the end of the experiment, 28 of the men had died directly of syphilis, 100 were dead of related complications, 40 of their wives had been infected, and 19 of their children had been born with congenital syphilis. How had these men been induced to endure a fatal disease in the name of science?

To persuade the community to support the experiment, one of the original doctors admitted it “was necessary to carry on this study under the guise of a demonstration and provide treatment.” At first, the men were prescribed the syphilis remedies of the day—bismuth, neoarsphenamine, and mercury— but in such small amounts that only 3 percent showed any improvement.

These token doses of medicine were good public relations and did not interfere with the true aims of the study. Eventually, all syphilis treatment was replaced with “pink medicine”—aspirin.

To ensure that the men would show up for a painful and potentially dangerous spinal tap, the PHS doctors misled them with a letter full of promotional hype: “Last Chance for Special Free Treatment.” The fact that autopsies would eventually be required was also concealed.

As a doctor explained, “If the colored population becomes aware that accepting free hospital care means a post-mortem, every darky will leave Macon County...” Even the Surgeon General of the United States participated in enticing the men to remain in the experiment, sending them certificates of appreciation after 25 years in the study.

Following Doctors' Orders

It takes little imagination to ascribe racist attitudes to the white government officials who ran the experiment, but what can one make of the numerous African Americans who collaborated with them? The experiment's name comes from the Tuskegee Institute, the black university founded by Booker T. Washington. Its affiliated hospital lent the PHS its medical facilities for the study, and other predominantly black institutions as well as local black doctors also participated. A black nurse, Eunice Rivers, was a central figure in the experiment for most of its forty years.

Veterans' Administration Hospital in Tuskegee, Alabama
The Veterans' Administration Hospital in Tuskegee, Alabama. Some of the study's post-mortem exams were conducted here.
The promise of recognition by a prestigious government agency may have obscured the troubling aspects of the study for some. A Tuskegee doctor, for example, praised “the educational advantages offered our interns and nurses as well as the added standing it will give the hospital.” Nurse Rivers explained her role as one of passive obedience: “we were taught that we never diagnosed, we never prescribed; we followed the doctor's instructions!”

It is clear that the men in the experiment trusted her and that she sincerely cared about their well-being, but her unquestioning submission to authority eclipsed her moral judgment. Even after the experiment was exposed to public scrutiny, she genuinely felt nothing ethical had been amiss.

One of the most chilling aspects of the experiment was how zealously the PHS kept these men from receiving treatment. When several nationwide campaigns to eradicate venereal disease came to Macon County, the men were prevented from participating. Even when penicillin—the first real cure for syphilis—was discovered in the 1940s, the Tuskegee men were deliberately denied the medication.

During World War II, 250 of the men registered for the draft and were consequently ordered to get treatment for syphilis, only to have the PHS exempt them. Pleased at their success, the PHS representative announced: “So far, we are keeping the known positive patients from getting treatment.” The experiment continued in spite of the Henderson Act (1943), a public health law requiring testing and treatment for venereal disease, and in spite of the World Health Organization's Declaration of Helsinki (1964), which specified that “informed consent” was needed for experiments involving human beings.

Blowing the Whistle

The PHS did not accept the media's comparison of Tuskegee with the experiments performed by Nazi doctors on Jewish victims during World War II. Yet the PHS offered the same defense offered at the Nuremberg trials — they were just carrying out orders.
The story finally broke in the Washington Star on July 25, 1972, in an article by Jean Heller of the Associated Press. Her source was Peter Buxtun, a former PHS venereal disease interviewer and one of the few whistle blowers over the years. The PHS, however, remained unrepentant, claiming the men had been “volunteers” and “were always happy to see the doctors,” and an Alabama state health officer who had been involved claimed “somebody is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.”

Under the glare of publicity, the government ended their experiment, and for the first time provided the men with effective medical treatment for syphilis. Fred Gray, a lawyer who had previously defended Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King, filed a class action suit that provided a $10 million out-of-court settlement for the men and their families. Gray, however, named only whites and white organizations as defendants in the suit, portraying Tuskegee as a black and white case when it was in fact more complex than that—black doctors and institutions had been involved from beginning to end.

The PHS did not accept the media's comparison of Tuskegee with the appalling experiments performed by Nazi doctors on their Jewish victims during World War II. Yet in addition to the medical and racist parallels, the PHS offered the same morally bankrupt defense offered at the Nuremberg trials: they claimed they were just carrying out orders, mere cogs in the wheel of the PHS bureaucracy, exempt from personal responsibility.

The study's other justification—for the greater good of science—is equally spurious. Scientific protocol had been shoddy from the start. Since the men had in fact received some medication for syphilis in the beginning of the study, however inadequate, it thereby corrupted the outcome of a study of “untreated syphilis.”

The Legacy of Tuskegee

Related Links:
Black History Month Features

U.S. Public Health Service

Tuskegee National Historic Site

Tuskegee University (formerly the Tuskegee Institute)

Internet Resources on the Tuskegee Study

Clinton's Apology for the Experiment
In 1990, a survey found that 10 percent of African Americans believed that the U.S. government created AIDS as a plot to exterminate blacks, and another 20 percent could not rule out the possibility that this might be true. As preposterous and paranoid as this may sound, at one time the Tuskegee experiment must have seemed equally farfetched.

Who could imagine the government, all the way up to the Surgeon General of the United States, deliberately allowing a group of its citizens to die from a terrible disease for the sake of an ill-conceived experiment? In light of this and many other shameful episodes in our history, African Americans' widespread mistrust of the government and white society in general should not be a surprise to anyone.

You should really do some more research before you decide to question another person's sanity.
Rachel

Just because they made a syphilis experiment 40 years ago doesn't mean we will have a one world government tommorow.

Our medical system sucks. Does that mean the illuminati really exist?

Toxic substances are part of our life now. Some of us get sick. Does that mean shape shifting reptilians exist?

Could be tomorrow ....could be in the future, don't know when it will happen but the bible says it will happen. A lot of our rights have already been taken away and more are being taken away as we speak.
As far as the illuninati goes ...if that name bothers you then you can think of it as a bunch of evil people out for the same agenda...to control the world. After all isn't that what Hitler ultimately tried to do?
Reptillians ...in my opinion they are the devil's little playmates, it does say in the bible in Revelation12 verse 9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent called the devil, and Satin which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Food for thought there BG
Rachel

Bg, I don't know about shape shifting reptilians and all that stuff, so I cannot comment much on that. Yeah it sounds funny, but so do many things in this world. You have to admit, there are some strange and inexplicable things that have and do happen that not everybody has an answer or logical explanation for them either.

The thing is, whether coal burning plant or whatever else, Russ has clearly pointed out that the symptoms coincide when the chemtrails appear. Then they ease again when the chemtrails go. I don't really see how much more you need? Eventually it's a no brainer. Make the connection. If you're clued up enough, appearance of something that coincides with the appearance of symptoms and is repeated, the intelligent thing to do would be to start making the connection and start investigating the possibilities of a problem.

Russ has done this. I do not believe his behaviour has changed at all. But his circumstances definitely have. To be exposed to something that is toxic and to produce the symptoms he has listed would be very hard to bear and would cause a person to be even more passionate to do something about it. That's not paranoia, that's survival. For him, the chemtrails are significant. For others, they may not cause the same symptoms or may not affect them as much. Hard to say, since we don't know everybody and what goes on in people's lives.

As far as I'm aware, where i am, they don't exist (at least in my immediate area). I do not have symptoms that would alert me to anything going on either, or at least no change in symptoms that would cause me to suspect something in my living environment has changed. But does that mean it doesn't happen to other people? Should I just sit back and laugh because hey, I'm ok, so they must be a bit...."strange" or "paranoid". That's the epitomy of arrogance and hypocrisy, considering my past history with amalgams and being around people who seemed "fine" with them.

I admit that some of the theories may seem far fetched or some even wacky, but I have not done my homework on them and haven't gone into it in any detail. I probably should do a bit more research as ignorance is bliss but risky too. My ignorance on my amalgams for starters was because I really wasn't "concerned" or "interested", UNTIL IT AFFECTED ME. INteresting that, pain is a great motivator isn't it? Pain motivates people to investigate and learn, anything to try and find the reason and anything to alleviate the suffering and hopefully prevent a future occurance.

Not doing that would be either lazy, or crazy. Not removing yourself from what has harmed you before is (unless you cannot do so) is nuts. Russ doesn't come under either catagory. As you can see, nobody else on this forum has come forward and agreed with you, most have come to his support. Perhaps, in your mind, we're all brain toxic and can't think straight ... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Perhaps the rest of us are more toxic and you're "enlightened". If brain toxicity is your means to state that this is the reason people do this, you are admitting that brain toxicity can alter a person's thinking and perception, which just begs the question, why then are these toxins used in the first place? E.g. mercury in amalgams, since it is widely known it's poisonous to the brain, as well as every other organ. Which just puts further credence towards Russ' quest! Toxins like mercury are not the only ones that can profoundly impact a person's life. Russ' health has indeed deteriorated over these past few months, I have noticed it, but his sanity has remained in tact. I don't consider someone a nutball because they're looking for ways to reduce the symptoms he's experiencing and finding out why.

Appearance of symptoms coinciding with appearance of chemtrails. Alleviation of symptoms coincides with disappearance of chemtrails = no brainer.

I'm so sorry to hear that Russ is not feeling well, ((((( Thats Sad )))))

I kind of knew that when I came to this board he hadn't been feeling well in the past..
But I didn't know he was still feeling bad and he's been so nice to me..
He seems like a nice person and cares about alot...
I just don't know what to believe anymore..
I'm just amazed about all the things going on in the world right now..
I mean just read the newspaper and it's amazing the stuff going on..
And it was on a local channel out here in the news and the people swore they were
dumping stuff into the air and had pictures of the trails ect...
It looked so real and I just don't know anymore......
I think I posted the link but not on this board.. but it was on a news station..
If I can find where I posted it...
The world seemed like such a regular normal place at one time..
Untill I found out what " was/is " in the vaccinations and my childrens toothpaste and ect..
And I just thought how could they do that don't they know better then that..
And then the world seems to be melting and dying off..
Like there trying to ruin the earth on purpose and all life within..
It sure looks that way and It doesn't look good...
The way it's going... I don't know how long we all have left on this planet anyway..
And I don't think there going to stop doing what there doing...
So don't count on that to reverse itself..
For them to fix this mess..
It's just awfull as more people are getting sick in this world..
Children are being born neurologically damaged..
And none of this makes any sense unless..
And thats the hard part to except but it's like we were forewarned..
That it was going to get this bad..
Our food isn't even real food anymore it's shipped , sprayed , stuff added to it..
And who knows whats in the water besides what they put in it now..
It's just not natural anymore..
It's just all a total mess..
Messed up...
But what can we really do?????
What can we really do about it, it's beyond me..
I mean the system is totally broken things don't work well anymore..
Just get informed and pray..
It's comeing to that point..
People feel like they have no control anymore....
while the merchants rule the world...
Till they finally destroy it..
But thats where faith comes in right...
No matter how hard it is right now...
We look forward to a better day...
As promised... I know I do...
As...
Thats what it's going to take to fix this world..
Because it's really really messed up now..

Sorry your not feeling well Russ...
It must be really hard for you...
Being sick and all..
And also running a board.....
I do hope you feel better...
Thank You for this board....
And being so nice to me....
I really appreciate it....
I really do.... ((((( Smiles )))))

Take Care of Yourself....
Lynn

Oh... I just read this.... (((( Sorry ))))

I didn't know as I just read this thread alittle while ago...
Is he going to get well?????
Well he get better....
I hope so...

Russ' health has indeed deteriorated over these past few months,

Take Care
Lynn

I respectfully ask that you not create any more posts of "concern" for me.

Now I'm really confused..
Does that mean your O.K now..
Or still not feeling well but feeling somewhat better...

I'm Sorry to bother you..

Lynn


O.K..... I found it....
This is it....
I found it and I watched this and it was like Wow..
I just didn't know what to say when I saw this....
But Wow thats kind of scarry.....
But I posted this long ago...
I don't know if this link works anymore..
I haven't tryed it again yet...
It's from long ago......

Toxic Sky's.......

Hows the weather....



This was on the news.. Nbc 4...



http://www.nbc4.tv/video/9265818/detail.html

O.K.. It does work.. It was pretty convinceing..
I posted this edited because I added this to the post above..
And it does still work... Weather modification act????
I don't know what it is..... It doesn't look good...

Hi Lyn,

When Russ said "I respectfully ask that you not create any more posts of "concern" for me. He was not talking to you, me or the others. He was addressing the top poster bg123, due to some of the comments bg made. If you read the top post, you'll understand why Russ was offended at the "so-called concern".

Concern it maybe, it was not done in the most thoughtful manner and instead casted doubts on Russ' sanity. Which was totally inappropriate. Now you know why Russ requested the top poster to please cease from making such posts in the future.

Sorry to bother you again... (((( Smiles ))))

But I can no longer edit the post above..
Now that I read the thread alittle bit more above...
I see why you were upset by it.. Sorry....
I was more worried about your health you being sick..
Nothing else...
But I found this I posted long ago on anthor board..
But that link doesn't work anymore..
I forgot what it was I found..
But I wrote this...
So it had something to do with this...
The link use to work...

Do you read the newspaper's ? I do everyday..
I was reading about the suggested shield..
Scientists suggest some air pollution may reduce global warming...
It's expiremental of course...
But the only problem with that is we allready have the air pollution..
Why make more.. We allready do it ( Make More ) all the time...
With gas powered vehicals..
Smoke stacks ect...
Pollution floating in the lakes and seas...
People are full of it too....
It doesn't seem to be working out well for us..
It's a very interesting world we live in and it makes you wonder..
What came first.. The Chicken or the egg... (((( Smiles ))))


http://www.airapparent.ca/

That kind of sulfate haze that would be needed if be...
Would be deadly to people as air pollution allready kills about 2 million world wide each year..
And that could be a low figure...
Beside all the health effects from it..
So many more people with asthma and all sorts of strange and somewhat..
common conditions in the world allready...
It just makes you wonder.. Doesn't it... Where we are all heading ???

----------------------------------------------
So, what do you think ??????
About this......

Lynn

Hi Bex, (((( Smiles ))))

Thank You...
I'm new to the board and was kind of confused at first..
As this thread is rather long so I kind of scanned it..
And didn't get all the details...
But still I was concerned because I didn't realize he still wasen't feeling well.
And I hope he's feeling alittle better...
But Thank You...
I understand now what Russ was upset about...

Thank You...
This is a neat board....
I'm glad I found you all..

Take Care
Lynn (((( Smiles ))))

Hi Lynn,

Welcome to the forum <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Yes, most on here are concerned for the wellbeing of others, including the owner/moderator and it seems there is more to chemtrails than meets the eye. I haven't any doubts about it. I know someone who suffered because of them and was treated like a loony tune by others because those "others" were seemingly "unaffected" or less so. Nobody wishes ill on others, but it's tempting sometimes to give them a taste of it, even just for a time so they'll wake up.

I take a person at their word most of the time if I have known them long enough to be someone I can trust, where they show honesty, integrity and sanity. It doesn't mean one cannot be mistaken , or going to be right all the time however, but you listen up when it comes from someone who has those attributes. I take someone's track record into account also.

So that's why I am now seeing the not quite so "innocent" side of chemtrails. Very similar to amalgam. How it's supposed to be "safe" and how "most" people are ok with them and how the mercury is bound up and is not released into the system etc. I'd say similar to chemtrails. Depending on what is contained and how seriously the person is affected.

Cheers.<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/byebye.gif" alt="" />

Hi Bex, (((( Smiles )))

Thank You.. Glad I'm here..
I had alittle problem signing into the board and then repyling but I finally got through..
When I posted that post that is below your post..
I didn't see your post first because I had to take a detour to another board to find
that link and what I wrote about it.. To put it into that post so I wouldn't have to edit it..
On the other board the edit feature works untill it goes into archive..
Here it's much shorter... But for sure ,something is going on out there..
Weither it's called weather modification, population control, exterminating the Gypsy moth
or seeding the clouds for rain which I doubt.. But it's real.. And I don't trust what they are doing to be good for our health either..
Kind of like I feel about the vaccinations..
Nothing new about that..
Plus.. Nothing but good feelings about Russ.. I think he's a really nice guy..
I believe him.. Thats why I'm here because I'm attracted to this board..
Because I want to be here...
I was just confused about the content and subject.
And of course it didn't help that I was saveing time by just scanning through threads..
Sorry.. But of course the concern of ones health is a good concern..
I just was concerned if Russ was O.K. and if he was going to get better..
If he wasen't feeling well.. .
Plus.. In another post on another thread I see an icon there..
and I'm not sure how to do it..
I put the green spot in it and it just comes up????
Lets see what happens..
But on one of my other posts on top.. And I didn't put it there..
I don't know how the icon got there unless I clicked or did something by accident.
and it just showed up.. It's the exclamation mark instead of a book..
I'm pretty new and not sure how to exactly use all the features on the board yet..
I'm sure it's explained somewhere on the board but I won't be able to get to that..
till next week..

Happy Fathers day to everybody on the board..,
Who's a dad..

Thank You though for welcomeing me..
And putting my mind at ease..
I appreciate that...
Alot...

Take Care and Hugs
Lynn

Hi Bex, (((( Smiles ))))

I understand it now..
The post icon puts the icon on top of a post..
In place of the book..
Instead of in the post..
Now I get it..
Sorry about that..

Take Care
Lynn

"The acquisition of a new truth,
is like the acquisition of a new sense,
which renders a man capable
of perceiving and recognising a large
number of phenomena,
that are invisible,
and hidden from another,
as they were from him originally."

(Chemise Briefe
Justus Von Liebig 1803-1873)

I am surrounded by sceptics about all of these issues,(mercury,chemtrails,vaccines etc)my family,friends,neighbours and so quite often I DOUBT & QUESTION everything...It is quite a challenge to find the strenght to stand for your beliefs when people are knocking you back like that, especially when you are not in full health, It's not just beliefs though it's facts& knowledge & truth.
But the past few years my eyes have been opened by some of whats going on and sometimes I wish I was back in my blissful ignorance.
It is such a shock when you find out about the World and natural to resist the ugly truth.
I believe good always wins and there are alot of good spirits around.
We are all independent thinkers here, it may seem we are all just agreeing &following like sheep but it is not like that.
The chemtrails are just the amalgam story over again.
I live in Ireland and anyone I've asked about chemtrails has not heard of them but I'm sure they will, it's only a matter of time.

I have seen chemtrails and I believe in the Illuminati. I suppose that I have to put on my tin hat.

Anyway, I want to say this in support of Russ who seems to me like a very sane and decent guy.

Thanks Aaron. I have also found you to be able to come to solid logical conclusions and to correlation information very well.

Of course, we have our share of smart people on this forum.

Also, to Lynnmn...

The request not to post any more posts of concern for me was directed towards bg123, not anyone else. They are clearly attempting to discredit me in the eyes of others while providing no good reason or support for their position.

Therefore, I don't think they are without guile.

Good people here though. Nice to be a part.

Russ

Hi Russ, ((((( Smiles )))))

I see that now as when I first stumbled onto this thread...
I was confused by it.. And you have lots of supporters here for what you believe to be true..
And in lots of ways... I believe alot of it to be true too..
And you could probably tell that by what I have written here and there..
And lots of nice people on this board as they have been very kind to me..
Being a newbie and all and you too...
But thats just the way you are I take it..
And maybe thats what attracted me to this board..
Plus....
The interesting dialogue and discussions here..
And the freedom to be, that comes with it and I was debateing internally on this issue..
When I happened to accidently stumble onto your site..
What a find and as I've been on the other board mainly for years..
And was happy with it and I had no real reason to feel antsy..
It was the timeing factor for me..
Perfect timeing and here I am...
Plus.. I meant WILL instead of WELL above in that sentence..
"Well he get better.... " Will he get better ..
I've been pretty spoiled with the edit feature on the other board so I have to check
it alittle bit better before I send it..
Got a little lazy there, so if I misspell or if I'm not on the on the ball from time to time..
You'll just have to overlook the errors knowing..
I may mess up from time to time....
But will work on it.... (((((( Smiles ))))))
And I'm so glad I'm finally here...
I was just worried you may not be feeling well and maybe closeing the board..
That would be the second time for me..
Just my luck.. I think you know what I mean..
But got lucky on both ends.....
All's well that ends well they say.....
Right..<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shakeheadyes.gif" alt="" />
I like your faces.. You have alot here.. Wow....
It's the Wow factor look at all thoses faces...
This one has all of them in one.. ((( Smiles )))

You Take Care
Lynn

Are there any countries that do not allow chemtrails? Also, what kind of video equipment is needed to see a plane's ID? The zoom is impossible on my camera.

Jiffy

I do not know what type of video equipment you would need.

The only country I have not heard any reports about chemtrails in is China. That does not mean they are not there. I just have yet to see any, and I watch several sources daily.

If you feel like photographing some, please feel free to post the photos in the chemtrails forum. You can click the "Post An Image" link in the header of the forum to post pictures in forum posts.

Alot of evils and things going on in this world that some won't believe and sound crazy, this being one of them! I for one can really believe it because so many things are out there that pollute or every day lives and the things I have read about them not telling the truth on many of things makes me weary of anything and OPEN to conspiracy theories. I bet alot of them may even be true, but the truth is hidden and the average will not get it. Knowledge is power, powers corrupt (As in the US Govt.)!!!! I see what many don't and search for truths, thank you for bringing more to us Russ.

Laura mentioned the toxicity of jet fuels even if not chemtrails....just a comment. I was a petroleum laboratory specialist in the military.... Where we trained in VA and in the lab in Korea we went to twice while I was there, the labs were well ventilated, but in our unit in UT which was not well ventilated, I could not tolerate working in the lab. I am sensitive to chemicals...and was the only girl in there. (More delicate??? Don't know why I was affected other than the amalgams I'd gotten but didn't know about mercury at the time). They use to think I just didn't want to work with them, but I had to get out of there. But I can say with personal knowledge that they are indeed toxic. I honestly haven't seen the chemtrails here yet. I don't know how I feel about that issue at this point, but I did live in Alaska where I saw the actual radar thingy's pointed into the atmosphere and FELT its affects as well as witnessing others reactions. (Though they were unaware). I've even seen confused geese. We lived close to a wildlife refuge for birds so watched them all the time. We moved there with a brand new microwave and stereo system. Both blew the same week.... Then our van electronics wigged out the same week. (Nothing wrong - no explanation). The local paper came out that week and said the HAARP had been turned down due to electronic interferences..... They have snuck this in - it was started in the 1950's and its been slowly worked on till recently (in the last decade that I'm aware - likely longer) actually applied and it is DANGEROUS. Hardly anyone even knows about it. Up there they just casually discuss it....but no one makes an issue of it. I never can remember what the acronym fully stands for, but the last 3 letters are "auroral research project." (We lived about 200 miles south of the arctic circle in Fairbanks).

I have known about the New World Order for years. I learned about that from an LDS homeschooling list I was on. I have always been "different" though, and fought against the current. I homeschooled, (got lots of flack there), I've been a health nut since the early 80s when it was not vogue. In fact, I answered the phone when the D.O. (who's wife was a naturopath) told an agent all about the benefits of a chelation product they sold (Super-Che). The guy started asking me questions and I felt funny so gave him the call....I didn't kow how to answer his questions.... (and would've gotten in BIG trouble for prescribing so its a good thing!!) He lost his license to practice in UT. Honestly he wasn't a good Dr., and had likely had some complaints (but his wife was an excellent naturopath!) She was really the one people came to see, but he was the first Dr. I worked for and I learned a lot there... He use to sit around in the office and listen to anti-Mormon stations, though, and I just ignored it. We loved each other in a father/daughter type way.

I've figured out my own health issues for the most part except for when I had appendicitis and told the Docs *I* thought it was a kidney infection cause I'd had symptoms of a UTI. I was admitted to the hospital cause I couldn't quit throwing up. My own Dr. came in and told me the lab work wasn't consistent with kidney and wanted me to stay in the hospital longer.... My hair was greasy and was feeling better except that my gut felt like it had rocks in it which I told him...I thought I had pulled a muscle. I was CLASSIC for appendicitis!!!!!! I was discharged...then went in to this same Dr. personally, again, sick. He just put me back on a heavy anti-biotics - Levaquin. For six months I would keep getting these symptoms and when I finally decided myself it was related to my colon it burst. I nearly died. I called a friend to come and take me to the hospital. When it hit me - this pain radiated through my whole abdomen and I was on the ground. I let the Relief Society president know what was going on cause I knew I would be hospitalized and my husband was out of town and I would need help. Got a voicemail. She tried to reach me back and I couldn't even get to the phone. I was showering so I would at least go in clean and the doorbell downstairs started ringing cause the Pres. had sent over a neighbor to check on me. I pulled on some clothes wet and barely got to the door. My other friend showed up and I ended up not being able to even get to the car so they called an ambulance. Sorry....kind of heavy to relive. But the one time I personally didn't figure out what was wrong, neither did they so I'm afraid I've lost faith in the medical industry anymore. They are not typically like Dr. House : ) There happened to be a good Dr. there when I was admitted a second time and he did a CT scan and, finally,, they found out my appendix was very inflammed. Once they got in, it had burst and I had to be given 2 kinds of anti-biotics. The Dr. later thanked me for not dying and said I likely would've if I'd been 15 years older (or not as healthy). Harrowing experience....

Anyway....I believe anything is possible. satan wants to destroy us quite literally...or make it so we cannot function or are mentally incapable of making intelligent decisions. After what happened with Hitler, ANYTHING is possible. I do not WANT to believe it either....

As far as Russ's mask...me and a friend in Alaska also bought some masks that germs couldn't get through when there were some scares - best I could find, at least.... You do what you gotta do. May appear eccentric, but I use to have to wear one around sometimes in Alaska myself.... I felt like an idiot...but the "ice smog" was giving me hives for some reason. We are in the last days....even the 11th hour.....

On that note, I also have friends and the husband is an oral surgeon. When I realized I had mercury he poo-pooed it. He was just a dentist at the time. He's a sweet, naive guy that didn't want to believe it. But then he gave his own wife some amalgam fillings. She told me later she FELT the difference herself and personally had been his assistant before and felt sick working in the dentist office. The dentists are to be pitied. It is detrimental to them all the more when they handle it nearly daily.....and I know of one who pretty much went off the deep end. There was only one mercury free dentist in Fairbanks, at least, when i learned about all that.

THey are VERY REAL, I saw them first hand today. Thanks RUSS and you guys in here for bringing these to my attention! They are very real, and they effect me alot obviously.

I'm glad to see the word getting out.

Here's a link for those interested...

http://uk.youtube.com/results?search_query=chemtrails&search_sort=video_date_uploaded

Yesterday and today spray free! Go figure the GOVT. employees off and no flights over the area today with these trails! Regular flights but not a single sign of one cloud or chemtrail in sky. What is that? Why is there nothing in the sky when they are not flying those certain plains? Would contrails just stop on certain days? I don't think they would just all of the sudden stop when they were going on and on for days by the dozens here! I can't explain it, it's magic!



Seriously though I opened my mind and noticed these things and pay attention now, I asked my mom why the lines just stopped for two days and she has no answer for it, she is probably just sick of hearing me talk about it and like most blow it off or can't truly believe in it. Some open their minds and think deep, most in life will not do that and open their minds up, just live life thinking all is well. These things just stopped though for the last two days when flights (Airline) were still going on, why?

Sean I know what you mean. This is the bluest I have seen the sky in a long time. It was amazing. Seriously it is getting so bad that I forget what a clear sky looks like. Kids born now won't ever experience this...They will start to teach kids the sky is white, not blue.

My husband and I have this joke when there are no chemtrails that all air traffic must be grounded. heh "No planes are flying today!" We say this jokingly of course.

This was one of the busiest weekends in the year and not a SINGLE "contrail". right...I guess we get to see if they start back at it tomorrow considering the holiday is over.

They will, I would ultimately bet on it!

What's funny is that I was in the Republic of Panama back in Feb. 08, and while there didn't see 1 chemtrail in the sky. It also didn't rain but once in the 14 days I was there, so the excuse can't be used that there were too many rain clouds in the sky, because there wasn't!
Now, why does the US have tons of chemtrails in the sky on an almost daily basis and Panama didn't? I saw planes flying in the sky while in their country, but there was NO trail left behind.
Also, while I was there I felt so good physically and mentally. I felt so good that I dreaded returning back to the States. In the future my husband and I plan on moving there and I really can't wait!

I followed that link to the ads with Chemtrails in them and the first thing that came to my mind is that people see them often in the sky and they now associate them as "Normal" Many people do not believe them to be anything that will harm us. I hear from people..."Why would the government wanna harm us?" or from a coworker just last week..."Aren't those trails so pretty?? I Love seeing them up there" I had to ask myself WHY?
Why does she enjoy seeing them in the sky? I believe I did ask her the why question and she didn't have a clue, and she was offended when I informed her what I felt them to be. The subject was quickly changed by her.

By the way, I'm new here. My name is Penny and I live in Reno, Nevada. I see chemtrails here daily. Some days they are displayed as big X's, other days as a tic tac toe board, and then sometimes no form to them at all other then being 3 or 4 lines across.
I found this board while searching for information on amalgam removal. I had all 8 of mine removed October 13th. Maybe I'll post on that experience soon.

Thanks for reading!!

~Penny

Welcome penny. It's good to have another informed person here. Also good to hear that you had your amalgams removed. I hope your recovery/detox is going well.

So true what you said. People are in such denial about chemtrails. My family is a great example. They just get that glazed-over look when I talk about this stuff. They have this strange ability to deny things that are in front of their face.

The unfortunate part is that I am particularly sensitive to what they are spraying. It affects my health dramatically.

It's interesting that you mention Panama. We have a friend moving there. We have also considered finding a place without chemtrails to move to. How interesting.

Thanks for stopping by, and we'd love love to hear your story. I just put up a story forum above this one so if you want to help people by sharing your experience, just write it up and send it to me. I'll make sure it gets seen. You don't need to use and revealing names or places.

Thanks!

Hi Russ, and thanks for the warm welcome! :-)

I'm very happy to have found this forum, there is a lot of information to be found here!!

That's great your friend is moving to Panama! Here's a thought...take a trip there and see how you feel. It's beautiful there, the people are very friendly and helpful, the weather was perfect and the ocean with all it's healing properties was close by. We took about a half hour boat ride to Bocas Del Toro (which I hear is flooding at the moment)and spent 2 days on the island doing nothing but lounging on the isolated beach.
If you're a nervous driver, I would advise ya not to drive. Scared the heck out of me watching my husband drive Panama City as well as David. There are permanent claw marks on that rental car dashboard, lol

Is it possible your symptoms are psychosymatic russ? Maybe the anxiety is enough to set off the chain reaction that causes your symptoms? I'm not going to say chemtrails don't exist, but lets put forth the theory that you're reacting to what you perceive(see harmless contrails, perceive harmful chemtrails)...

If i brought a light bulb to you and told you it contained mercury but it didn't and was actually harmless and I smashed it in front of you I wouldnt be surprised if your list of symptoms arose.

Pyschosomatic reactions are no joke. I remember a while ago when I thought propane was toxic...anytime I would smell some leaking my lungs would feel constricted and I would get lightheaded etc...Then I actually did my research and propane is totally not toxic to the body...that smell is put in there so you know not to light a match if the room is full of propane. Now the smell bothers me but it doesn't make me react in the way it did.

But as to the chemtrails...I believe in them because I watch the skies and definitely notice something strange going on that I didn't when I was a little kid. I live in Southern California and in the summer the weather is clear and sunny every day...but once every few weeks the skies would be covered in chemtrails. If it was just contrails this should have happened much more frequently as there was no change in the humidity or temperature on the days with the chemtrails. I do see occasional contrails that clear from the sky within a few minutes...but on days they spray chemtrails the sky will be covered in things that vaguely resemble clouds but are just the chemtrails spreading out. Its extremely noticeble when the skies are absolutely clear most of the time.

I personally do not notice any symptoms from chemtrails. I also don't agree with Russ that chemtrails have mercury in them...but I certainly believe that they are not just contrails.

Not debating this point other than that I think you give issues power thinking about the all the time. The power of suggestion.

Some people happen to be much more sensitive to toxic exposures than others. Some people are much more allergic than others. These things happen. I don't think it's psychosamatic. I remember I used to walk into dental offices and never have an issue. Then oneday I started getting very ill from just going in there. I discovered I was further mercury toxic and was very surprised (even after a consultation). I had to chelate! This only started happening following viral/other infections, that I believe impacted my immunity to such an extent, it made me so very sensitive/vulnerable to any toxic exposure. Before that, there was no issue.

This was not psychosamatic. I didn't even expect it to happen and didn't know it could!

I remember my doctor tried to label me with the psychosamatic stuff when I first starting getting seriously sick and I was then simply shipped off to a psychiatrist. Waste of time, waste of energy and waste of medication.

Finally a wise doctor got me to change my diet and much of the depression/anxiety lifted. Unfortunately resuming the bad foods brought it back again, but at least it told me it was very much health related and that I needed to be extra vigilant than perhaps other people if I wanted to have any symptom reduction.

So I adjusted to my circumstances. I had to if I wished to gain some sanity. However, when you're in a situation like Russ, it's forced upon you. I don't believe this is psychosomatic/power of suggestion.

I believe that this is really happening, just as he describes. Both to him and Laura. The symptoms are extreme, they are very much what I have heard others suffering who also are impacted by chemtrails. One lady I know of goes through the same, yet her husband does not. This poor thing has gone through sheer hell on earth.

The problem is, if it doesn't affect other people the same way? Then they start to have doubts about those that are affected. Similar to amalgam.

I dunno if it came off this way but I was not implying that Russ's response to chemtrails is psychosomatic. I personally believe some people do have real reactions to chemtrails.

It didn't come off that way Gdawson. I was just responding to the mention of psychomatic symptoms. I'm sure this does/can exist, but I've met only one person in life so far that has ever appeared to have some psychosomatic problem. They were a true blue hypocondriac. However, no matter how hard they concentrated on having illness and having fears of this or that, they could never quite induce the symptoms necessary to convince the medical profession.

If anything, it seems Russ is a most well-balanced individual who has experienced much improved health. It's amazing what can happen however, when a person is re-exposed to similar type toxins and how the body can go into overdrive in an attempt to alert you to steer clear (secondary immune response it can be called). The body apparently, after amalgam removal can become more sensitive to mercury and is able to recognise it for being something it never wants to go through again. Hence the sometimes increased reactions post removal.

Or it can be someone who is simply more sensitised/vulnerable since being mercury toxic for so many years. Whether that is from a bit of damage to the immunity, or from still remaining mercury, or simply a person who was already suseptible to toxins like this in the first place.

Russ' symptoms are extreme and unmistakable and coincide with chemtrails. I don't believe this is self induced by becoming fearful about it....that's just my opinion.

Similar to me. I get very ill/allergic around "some" cats and am fine around others. I get nervous when I'm around cats because I expect the symptoms to start and am often surprised when they don't. One would think that by such nervousness and expectance of symptoms might induce them, but it doesn't work that way. I cannot make it happen if I try, nor can I stop it if I try ignoring it.

It simply is what it is. Happens if it happens. I am sure that there may well be some people who do indeed suffer symptoms from a dreaded fear of something, but I very much doubt they could induce the ones that Russ suffers His partner Laura appears also affected. I think it helps when more people go through the same, so they can at least give some back up to reality of this.

'psychosomatic' is one of the most offensive ways to say 'screw you' to a patient by the doctors.

one day i was at a friends place and i thought his air conditioner had just started cuz my friend told me, and i'm allergic to whats in it when he starts it, so about 20 minutes later cuz i forget and am playing computer games i get a really bad reaction i'm sneezing and my face is puffing up and eyes.

guess what? he was joking. when i realized. no joke my eyes and face went down and i was fine.

the mind is strange, but i know this cloud thing is probably true.

No.

I don't need to look outside to know if chemtrails are there. I can tell you by the condition of the air. They burn my sinuses and I can taste the salty-metallic taste in the air.

I've been a skywatcher all my life. Also, I grew up in one of the busiest air spaces in the world: Tampa, Florida. I never saw chemtrails, and never saw a contrail in the air over a residential area. The only contrails I ever saw were either on TV or during very high humidity and fog at or near the airport, which I drove by often.

It's sad that it's so difficult for people to accept that governments would do something like poison their own people. Those who study this subject quickly realize that governments have done more to kill, steal, and destroy lives to preserve their own power than any other entity in history.

Vaccines and Medical Experiments on Children, Minorities, Woman and Inmates (1845 - 2007)

Chemical Testing on U.K. Citizens: Zinc Cadmium Sulfide (video)

U.K. Government Admits Deadly Spraying (video)

Historic Examples of Biological Testing on Americans (video)


Most public long-term large-scale HIPS (hiding in plain sight) operations include a comprehensive disinformation campaign. If it's a long-term operation (many years), the campaign will be geared for children as well.

Chemtrails In the Movies: Cars

Chemtrails In The Movies: Over The Hedge

There will also be laws enacted to protect the purpotrators from being prosecuted.

U.S. Law Allows Testing of Chemicals and Biologics on "Civilian Population"


In fact, the only people who still cling to the idea that governments don't hurt their people intentionally (a rapidly decreasing number today) are those who have not studied the subject. Those of us who have studied this (the subject of my study during most of my free time between 1990 and 2000) have no doubt. They clearly see what is going on.

There is fraud in the IRS code, the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC), and there is even an "alternative" flag for each country of the world:

The Golden-Fringed Flag

We are living in a time when fraud and deception is at an all-time high, and so large is the base of lies, that many will disbelieve they exist on the basis of their enormity alone.

"People are faced with a conspiracy so monstrous, they cannot believe it exists."

—J. Edgar Hoover

"A conspiracy so monstrous..."
http://www.rense.com/general38/mak_st.htm

"Conspiracy Quotes"
http://urlbam.com/ha/M001s

"Secret Societies: Kennedy"
http://urlbam.com/ha/8zzzz

It's also a cop-out. Psychological labels are a favourite for quite a number of doctors - who don't tend to wish to take it any further with the patient or address what might actually be happening.

The only reason I found two doctors that didn't do this to me, was because of somebody I knew who was suffering candida and found them through going to MANY doctors. Thanks to her, she finally saved me going through the same misery.

I had bowel problems as a child, which I believe was already a tell-tale sign of what was possibly already amiss and the family doctor labelled it as psychosomatic without bothering to find out what was going on or whether there was any wheat/gluten intolerance. Great eh? I also suffered with itching too. All indicating even then, candida issues.

Later of course, as an adult, I was put on antidepressants and told to see a psychologist because of the sickness and symptoms I was suffering.

WOW.. Awesome thread!!

I am really thankful for this thread, because I was wondering about chemtrails & stuff myself...
& some things I had read online before indicated some people didn't fully believe in them, or though they were 'kookie'...

I was especially interested to read about news reports on this etc...

So basically, even jet engine exhausts are bad... good to know.. *Some* planes may carry & spray even more than just that... - depending on the area, it can be part of military training (which I could fully believe!) or potentially other stuff - such as weather control/weather research.. (against hail etc, no?) or god-forbid anti-global-warming research or such!! ugh

Of course I believe in some parts planes have sprayed pesticides or such too.. (wasn't there a famous study on this somewhere? like the mosquitos causing malaria died but the spraying caused much bigger damage health-wise etc. than the mosquitos...?)
Maybe that appears differently though... dunno.. never had first hand experience with this, or at least never observed things like that..

It's fully public here in Slovenia that planes throw something into clouds (silver iodide, I think - at least so I read, no idea if it could affect health of people-? It's an experimental programme.. got some $$ from the EU too.. even though metheorologists say it's not proven and nets over orchards/vineyards would probably be better..'YAY'.. hmm..)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding - (did Kurt Vonnegut's brother really invent it? Wow..)

I can also believe that they would always say 'too insignificant amounts' - they also say this about incinerators & other polluters, so why would this be any different?

Oh, I just saw chemtrails are supposed to be different than crop dusting (pesticides) or cloud seeding or such.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory

Hm, I just looked, and some people believe that chemtrails be seen here in our country too..
Well, we already have coal-burning plants, iffy factories & the like, incinerators introduced too.. & we're part of NaTO now.. khmm... Some people say chemtrails started the week after we joined NATO (?) So... It wouldn't be very surprising, I guess..

I read people with too little zinc could be especially sensitive to chemicals.. or probably other minerals too.. & those with leaky gut/candidiasis etc. One theory is previous exposure to chemicals (different or similar) can increase sensitivity for the same or similar (or other) chemicals too..

I don't think that chemicals sprayed would be 'intentional depopulation' but 'unintentional stupidity'... mainly, they want to accomplish some things (like warfighter training etc) that have toxicity & health problems as a 'side product'...
Opinions on that may be different, though... (& it may be different around the globe too..)

Again, very interesting thread, & I'm thankful for it...

I personally know of two people close to family who had heart attacks in the past week. I have never in my life known so many people getting sick with stokes, cancer, heart attacks, respiratory illnesses, kidney failure, etc., than in the past 3 years.

I've just never seen anything like it.

http://urlbam.com/ha/Vz


Take care of yourselves.

Here's what we got hit with today:

My nephews girlfriends dad just died of one last month! He was in his 40's I believe, still very young and now gone. How Ironic was it he died on a flight too? The things that can poison you (Planes) and you die on one.

I've always carried around little air purifiers or planes cause I have chemical sensitivity and can't deal with the quality (or lack of) on planes. I could never be a stewardess.

I subbed for two separate teachers this past week who lost their fathers. The sriptures say in the last days mens hearts would fail them for fear, too. The economy is striking fear into many people but usually men bear the brunt of supporting families the most. I know its gotten to my husband before feeling like its on his shoulders. I help but have only for the past few years cause he supported me in being a stay at home mom by working extra. He's running out of steam now, though. I need to get out of the house anyway.

Russ, those look like normal clouds to me...

When I sit and watch these plumes come out of jets and spread out like this, it's clear that they are not normal clouds.

Nevertheless, even if I didn't see these come out of jets, being a life long sky watcher, these do not look like normal clouds to me, not even close.

They are meant to be like that to fool the average, watch the jet spray them and then turn into those and you will see what he means. I see some rainbow sight in them alot of times beaming off the sun, a rainbow type cloud in a clear day? I also see black lines too sometimes from time to time, which I said to my boy outside what the hell is that in 05? He said wtf? They just look too damn fishy for me to believe they are just clouds man. Thats what they look like though to the average, they will never get it.

I sat next to a window for over two years watching jets leave these things in the air almost daily. They are definitely not natural formations; Not even close.

I've been alive for 44 years now, and never before 2005 have I experienced the appearance of strange "clouds" that burned my sinuses so badly that I had to take action, not to mention the salty-metallic taste in the air.

These "strange" clouds that come from jets (I'm a first-hand multiple-event witness) are accompanied by burning sinuses, cracking joints, liver pain, joint pain, fatigue, dark circles under the eyes, muscle pain, headaches, swollen sinuses, burning eyes, salty-metallic taste in the air, and more.

These symptoms can all be directly related to mercury, aluminum, and barium exposure, exactly the things that multiple independent tests show these "strange" clouds (that come from jets) contain.

Science is a process of observation, and all of these observations provide repeatable corroborating evidence.