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I tried my 1st round of DMSA, 25 mg. every 3 hrs. for 3 days. I just could not do 4 days. My body said to stop. I am glad I did not start with 50 mg. as it would have been too much for me. I had severe fatigue, insomnia, headaches, and increased neurological symptoms. The 3rd day was so bad I had to increase my pain medication.

I have been off DMSA 6 days. I want to start another round but don't feel like I have recovered enough from my first attempt. I am not a baby and know how to tough it out.

But soon as I started DMSA my face broke out in red bumps and I got a bad yeast infection. Has this ever happened to anyone? I wondered if I was allergic to it. Is this possible? Does DMSA cause yeast infections?

With the help of Alprazolam I was finally sleeping at night, which enabled me to endure my miserable mercury life during the day. But once I started taking DMSA I slept 3 days out of the 9 day duration. Now, I am back in the phase of when I used to feel psychotic. I feel very irritable!

I want to follow Dr. Cutler's protocol but in his book he did say it is not "carved in stone". He did say to expect a rise in symptoms once you start chelating. He also said it does not "make sense to tolerate side effects worse than the original condition to accomplish this."

I am so sick with mercury poisoning that I am completely disabled. This happened when my old amalgams started leeching. I went to a dentist and he drilled them using no mercury removal protocol, which made me very ill. I am either in bed or on the couch. If I get on the computer it is only when I really NEED to.

I also have Lyme Disease, Mycoplasma, and viral infections. My thyroid, pituitary, and adrenal glands are dysfunctional and treated with medications. I have Hepatitis C, which has been in remission since 1999. I use a walker to get around. I have colon/liver/pancreas pain 24/7. I also have Candida and no gut mobility so I have to use health products to keep my colon cleaned out. I have numerous food allergies and stick to a strict diet. I take food enzymes and supplements.

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Hi Susan,

The more poisoned you are, the more difficult it is when you use anything that moves/removes mercury, the more side effects there are.

I do not think DMSA does too much to yeast, but I think the action of moving metals can. Though DMSA may directly flare up some yeast itself, I don't remember "too" many problems with it, but I did have to stick to a good diet. Some people might react to DMSA itself, but most tend to be mercury symptoms, rather than the DMSA.

Have you tried taking DMSA every 4 hours rather than 3? It can be a different experience sometimes. Some find 4 hours works, others need to take it more often. It depends on the person. I would also lessen your dose to about 12.5 mg. 25 mg can be too much to start off with and some are so toxic, they have to start as low as 6 mg. It is annoying to split pills I know, but you do not want to push yourself over the edge when you are this toxic and injured from mercury.

Your removal process has obviously added to your horrific poisoning. It is very upsetting to read this. You are obviously doing all you can to try and get through each day, almost living like a cripple. I admire you that you are surviving with this the way you are. Whatever it takes to survive, sometimes you have to do it. I have been nearly bed ridden also. Terrible torment that I cannot completely describe and I'm sure I do not have to someone like you going through this hell. The diet helped me, chelation helped me. However, you are likely more poisoned, so you would need to treat yourself with kid gloves and do VERY VERY small amounts of DMSA. Whether it's every 4 or 3 hours, whichever goes better for you. You are of course taking in even more DMSA by taking it every 3 hours and that might also be harder on you. Although, at the sametime, more frequent dosing can also help those that suffer from redistribution on even every 4 hours, so it's about finding out what is more suitable.

I would seriously recommend going down to half that amount. 25 mg is seriously far too much for the seriously poisoned and that is clearly what you are. Do not push yourself to go too high on a dose, or too long on a round. If you can barely make it to 3 days, stop and break for as long as you need before doing another round. Do not push yourself to go longer than 3 days, that is long enough, especially for someone this poisoned. I have gone through the same and also could often not even handle going past two days, but I tried to because it's not wise stopping the round earlier than 3 days apparently. however, if I coudl not handle it, I would STOP. I listened to my body too.

I do not know how long it will take for you to feel better. Sometimes you can be removing mercury and not notice improvements for quite sometime and sometimes it feels like you're not getting better or getting worse. Symptoms can chop and change continually. I used to feel like everytime I had a patch of improvement, more mercury would surface and bring me back down again. I had such a huge storage of it. I had to keep chipping away at it over time, when I could do so. It's not a race and trying to push yourself to go faster than what your body can handle is fruitless. It can end up backfiring and then you wind up having to try and recover. It can be devastating. Slow and easy does it and allow your body some recovery/break time.

Antioxidants are very important. I used to take vitamin C powder, vitamin E, zinc and selenium. In hindsight, I should have been taking minerals and B complex too as Andy suggests and making sure I had enough proteins (meat/eggs) and animal fats like butter and good oils like olive oil, flaxseed oil and mercury free fish oil. Fats like this are very important and very healing. I steer clear of canola and other plant oils like that.

I really hope that you will gain some relief from your torment sometime soon. If you halve your dose, please let me know how it goes for you and whether there is any improvement. You might even want to try every 4 hours and see if there is any change from the 3.

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Hello Susan. I had the last of my 25 amalgams replaced in February. I have recently done 6 weeks of chelation with ALA, 50 mg every 3 hours, 3 days on, 4 off. I am taking a few weeks off chelation now since the last two weeks of chelation went so poorly. The chelation process causes plenty of mercury to be released through the intestines, and that cause candida to flare up. I am now eating raw garlic(a clove at the end of a meal, once or twice a day). I am also eating plenty
of cinnamon and some clove. These are also antifungals. I am also drinking Yogi Licorice tea, which has licorice plus a few other herbs which are also antifungal. Licorice helps with detoxification, stimulates the adrenals, and is a mild laxative. I drink a cup or two a day, as too much licorice can raise blood pressure. I might start taking black walnut hull extract again. Black walnut is a potent antifungal and antiparasitic, and also has a mild laxative effect. Dandelion and milk thistle are great for liver detoxification, so I may add those to my regimen. They are also said to have mild laxative effect. I stopped taking the olive leaf extract and grapefruit seed extract, as I think they were producing too severe symptoms.
I am making a bit of progress fighting the candida, but am still too scared to try starting chelation again. When I do start it again, I plan to use just half the dosage I used before.

Hi Susan. Amalgam Illness was written in 1999, since then many people have used the protocol and many (most) people need to start at much lower doses and gradually work the dose up.

Generally starting dose is now recommended @ 12.5mg every 4 hours, which is 75mg DMSA per day.

You are dosing 25mg every 3 hours and thats 200mg per day. Big difference there. You are on a big dose and moving too much mercury for your body to handle.

Dosing more frequently at 3 hours, as you are doing, is totally fine. More frequent dosing is always ok as long as you are aware of the daily dose you take.

I started at 12.5mg dmsa every 4 hours and after numerous rounds finally found the right dose and timing for me that works. That?s 5mg every 2.5 hours in the day and 3 hours at night.. This is a total of 45mg DMSA each day. which a lot less than you are taking. With this low dosing I get minimal side effects and can lead a normal-ish life.

I suggest reducing your dose to 6.25mg every 3 hours and see how you do. Thats 50mg DMSA per day.

If you feel thats too low go for 12.5mg, but you are dosing more frequently at 3 hours and you had a load of problems. so I d start much lower at 6.25 and work gently up.

One things for sure all those symptoms on round are a great big signpost that you are dosing way too high.

As a general rule of thumb, 3 rounds with zero or limited side effects is signal that you can increase the dose.

I also recommend you join this group :

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/

It is dedicated to the cutler protocol and there are some seriously experienced people there that are available to help all the time. Maybe post the same message there are see what the experts say..but they will say the same a Bex and I..reduce the dose its way too high to be starting with.

Susan, ginger, licorice root, cinnamon, and clove, may help settle your digestive system. I use these herbs.

"As an anti-hepatotoxic licorice is effective in the treatment of chronic hepatitis and cirrhosis, for which it is been widely used in Japan. Much of the liver orientated research has focused upon the triterpene glycyrrhizin. This inhibits hepatocyte injury caused by carbon tetrachloride, benzene hexachloride and PCB. Antibody production is enhanced by glycyrrhizin, possibly through the production of interleukin.

Glycyrrhizin inhibits the growth of several DNA and RNA viruses, inactivating Herpes simplex virus particles irreversibly. It has a variety of uses in bronchial problems such as catarrh, bronchitis and coughs in general. Liquorice is used in allopathic medicine as a treatment for peptic ulceration, a similar use to its herbal use in gastritis and ulcers. It can be used in the relief of abdominal colic."

Too much licorice root can cause high blood pressure, so don't overdo it.

"Ginger root is a medicinal herb used primarily for the treatment of Dyspepsia (discomfort after eating), this includes the symptoms of bloating, heartburn, flatulence, and nausea. It is also considered helpful as a preventative for motion sickness and as a digestive."

http://www.herbwisdom.com/herb-ginger-root.html

http://www.herbwisdom.com/herb-cinnamon.html
http://www.holisticonline.com/Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h204.htm



Imo you should fight the candida for a while before resuming the chelation. You might also want to do a parasite clense before resuming chelation. The herbs in a parasite cleanse have mild laxative properties. There are several parasite cleanses. Most center around 3 herbs, wormwood, black walnut green hull extract, and clove. Some add quassia, and other herbs. Some here have used Humaworm and liked it. Others have bought a formula available locally. The parasite cleanses are also potent antifungals, so you might want to start using more mild antifungals a few weeks before using them, such as cinnamon and licorice, then try eating a clove of raw garlic after each meal, then step up to a parasite cleanse. If you can decrease the toxic load from candida (and perhaps also parasites?) then the chelation will be easier for your body to handle. There are so many different parasites, and most are too small to be seen without using a microscope.

Susan, you didn't mention how many amalgams you had, and when the last one was replaced. I hope you waited at least around 3 months after the last amalgam was removed before even attempting chelation.

Susan you sound just like me. I cannot take major chelation agents with any degree of success. You think DMSA makes candida worse, i definitely wouldnt try ALA. I was nearly suicidal after using that stuff. Im also pretty sure i have lyme disease too. I was bitten by a tick in 2002 on my neck and ive never been the same since. However i know the mercury was the turning point, i felt like death after having my amalgams out. I honestly think your best bet is to heal your gut and maybe take something like cilantro, just a little in your food, see how you tolerate it. Russ sells Algin and that worked OK with me. My stomach is so sensitive too. For candida the only thing thats truly worked for me is Formula SF722. its awesome and is very gentle on your stomach. Leave chelation alone right now...i really would. I have MSN messenger [email]wildheartxxx@hotmail.com.[/email] If you want to chat, you truly do sound like me.

Hello Stuart. How many amalgams did you have? When did you have them replaced? Imo the best way to combat candida is to eat a very low carb diet, and to consume raw garlic, licorice root, cinnamon, clove, ginger. These are potent antifungals, as are peppermint and chamomile. I like drinking peppermint and chamomile teas. I tried using olive leaf extract and grapefruit seed extract, and I think they made my symptoms much worse. I may add back the olive leaf extract soon, when I think I can handle it again.

I had 9 amalgams but no protocol was followed and thats how i got sick. Olive Leaf Extract and GSE did nothing for me but make my symptoms worse too...i think theyre very harsh on your gut. If you can afford it get some Formula SF722 it is the only thing that helped me...candida wise..very gentle. I also treated myself for parasites and humaworm was awesome and is very inexpensive. I mustve got rid of 3000 pinworms and im no longer hungry all the time. If theres any left in me, im definitely winning the war. Im gonna start another cleanse in 90 days time. Im just healing my body with diet and natural things. Using ALA..no thank you.

I looked up Formula SF722 . It is made from the castor bean. I think I will avoid it.Humaworm has many antifungal ingredients. The only concern is that if someone has parasites and a massive candida infection, killing both at the same time will be a great stress on their body. I think I will stick with my very low carb and raw garlic, licorice root, cinnamon, ginger, clove, and chamomile regimen. The licorice root, camomile, and peppermint teas are also pleasant to drink.

Parasite cleanses are a good idea in cease much of the problem maybe parasitic. It's recommended that everybody has a parasite cleanse regularly (e.g. every 6 months or so) as most of us pick them up somehow. I have heard of some people being almost completely debilitated by parasites and haven't a clue what's wrong.

I have yeast and parasite cleanses did not affect it, or make me worse. It was just a precaution in case parasites were partly my problem. Evidentally, it didn't seem they were, or at least not significant.

I would recommend doing a parasite cleanse, even if it's just taking black walnut hulls or something. However, what you're doing maybe just fine. Garlic is good. Oh and pumpkin seeds apparently are also a good remedy against worms/parasites. I eat them now daily. I mix almonds, pumpkin seeds and sunflower seeds together. A nice mixture. Plain, but nice. I would throw in dried fruit in there and probably sprinkle it on some nice cereal with milk, but that would be a nightmare for me in regards to my yeast, so I can't.

I just have the plain nuts and seeds and leave it at that. I'm going to try the licorice tea again by the way. I'll let you know what happens! ;-)