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Russ why dont you just move?
#44917
11/09/08 02:29 PM
11/09/08 02:29 PM
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To another city, another state, another country? Surely if you experience all those symptoms due to chemtrails your main objective in life would be to move to a place that doesn't have them. Even if you currently cant afford to do so, surely that would be your ultimate plan right? How wide do you think this conspiracy goes? Why not move here to Australia and give our air a chance?
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Re: Russ why dont you just move?
[Re: Bex]
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11/09/08 06:52 PM
11/09/08 06:52 PM
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To another city, another state, another country? Surely if you experience all those symptoms due to chemtrails your main objective in life would be to move to a place that doesn't have them. Even if you currently cant afford to do so, surely that would be your ultimate plan right? How wide do you think this conspiracy goes? Why not move here to Australia and give our air a chance? All good questions! First, I did move, in April of this year. I lived in Jamestown, New York since February, 2003. In November of 2005 the spraying became so bad that I eventually had to go into my master-bath and run the shower often for over an hour most nights. I gave up a 3200 square foot house with a 1200 square foot attic that was in the family since it was built on about an acre of wooded land with tons of wildlife close to everything surrounded by good neighbors in a town of great people an hour from the vineyards of Lake Erie and 5 minutes from some of the most beautiful wilderness I've ever seen. I moved to Maine (this area) after making 2 trips here, 4 days each, searching for chemtrails each time. The first trip, I saw 1 small chemtrail in the evening over a neighboring town (Ellsworth) 45 minutes away on 1 single night. That's all. The second trip, I saw no chemtrails at all and had no symptoms at all, including no sinus burn, headaches, fatigue... No nothing! I was convinced, thrilled, and ready to move as soon as we could find a way (money is tight). After three desperate days of praying, we found out that Laura's mother wanted to move into Bangor and needed to do something with her house. The door opened and we walked through. We packed the business into 3 large trucks and moved. On the third morning, Laura got up, looked out the front door, and saw this... Here's the whole story: http://urlbam.com/ha/mzzzWe've spent probably over 100 hours researching places to move, but there are problems. Australia requires you to have a lot of money to become a citizen. I don't have that much money. The U.K. is getting sprayed like crazy and also has strict immigration policies. Houses are expensive and the dollar is weak. Ireland also had strict immigration policies. Some countries in South America are easier to move into, but there is the language barrier. In short, I can only afford 1 more move, and then, I don't know how I'd get a house. I'd have to rent. Remember, I'm moving a business so it takes 2 25 foot trucks to move everything. With some work, I could cut that in half. So, it's tough. Our business also has to mail quarterly updates to thousands of customers, although, that could be worked around with a contact that would be willing to partner with us in the states. Oh well. What to do. If money was not an issue, then it would not be a problem, but the cost of another move would leave me with little money remaining. If someone could find me a place that is definitely not being sprayed and where I could immigrate, I would seriously consider it. My life is quickly deteorating and I fear that if this continues, I'll be dead in a couple years, along with millions of others who seem to be particularly affected by this. Believe me, I have spent dozens of hours working on devices to clean the air, from ionizers, water-based cleaners, and more. In fact, here is a picture of my latest two devices: This is my first prototype made from an aquarium. I basically sent water through the aquarium with misters spraying water to capture particles. This actually worked a little and helped clear the air about 30%. This is my next prototype that uses a packed-bed type water filter that is modeled after industrial air purification systems. I just finished it a couple days ago but the air blowers I have are not strong enough to force the air through the "packing" material. I'm going to order some stronger blowers Monday. I have a phone call into an air testing facility to get pricing for helping me determine how to solve this. I also just sent a "wet-deposition" sample (that's a fancy industry term for rain water) to a lab and am waiting for results. In fact, solving this problem is now #1 on my list. It's so hard to function with all of the pains, fatigue, and joint deterioration I'm experiencing. If I don't solve this soon, I'm not sure what I'm going to do. If anyone has ideas, I'm open...Wide open to suggestions.
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Re: Russ why dont you just move?
[Re: Russ]
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11/09/08 07:14 PM
11/09/08 07:14 PM
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Russ, If I had the money and could get you over here, even just as a trial? I'd do it. This is too upsetting for words. Nobody should have to suffer like this at the hands of others. If you were doing this to yourself, that would be another story (e.g. taking drugs, etc).
I do not know of chemtrails in my area, I have never experienced symptoms and I am hypersentive to toxins/chemicals. Plus we are known for being the windy city - at least the capital city is. Again I have seen no evidence for any chemtrails here and if there are any in New Zealand, I have to wonder which speicifc areas it's going on in.
It is interesting however that I had a bad reaction when visiting my Mother in another city. A rural area, so I assume it's toxic spraying or something (perhaps it might even be allergy to the farm birds). I don't know, but I got very very ill and the effects lasted 2 weeks. I have never had this where I am, or even in the regions nearby.
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Re: Russ why dont you just move?
[Re: Bex]
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11/09/08 07:48 PM
11/09/08 07:48 PM
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My husband and I have done extensive research into moving to other countries (not because of chemtrails) and it is next to IMPOSSIBLE to immigrate from the US. You have to invest up to a million dollars into the country's economy or have some type of trade or skill that is in demand. It is very difficult to get into any country legally. Work permits are risky because if you lose your job, then you must immediately leave the country. Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland all have EXTREMELY difficult restrictions. For some countries you have to take an IQ test. LOL This was years ago, but I think it was Australia. In order to come into the country at the reduced rate you had to have an IQ of 150 and have a Master's degree in a select field. It is THAT difficult. According to the chemtrail alert website, southern Australia does get hit with chemtrails. This site is pretty accurate too. http://www.owsweather.com/chemtrailmap3.html
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Re: Russ why dont you just move?
[Re: Birdlady]
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11/28/08 12:45 PM
11/28/08 12:45 PM
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My husband and I have done extensive research into moving to other countries (not because of chemtrails) and it is next to IMPOSSIBLE to immigrate from the US. You have to invest up to a million dollars into the country's economy or have some type of trade or skill that is in demand. It is very difficult to get into any country legally. Work permits are risky because if you lose your job, then you must immediately leave the country. Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland all have EXTREMELY difficult restrictions. For some countries you have to take an IQ test. LOL This was years ago, but I think it was Australia. In order to come into the country at the reduced rate you had to have an IQ of 150 and have a Master's degree in a select field. It is THAT difficult. According to the chemtrail alert website, southern Australia does get hit with chemtrails. This site is pretty accurate too. http://www.owsweather.com/chemtrailmap3.html So the government gets the people sick via chemtrails, then the government forks out the cost for their health care? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense for countries(like Australia) with government funded health care.
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Re: Russ why dont you just move?
[Re: Russ]
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11/29/08 01:32 PM
11/29/08 01:32 PM
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To another city, another state, another country? Surely if you experience all those symptoms due to chemtrails your main objective in life would be to move to a place that doesn't have them. Even if you currently cant afford to do so, surely that would be your ultimate plan right? How wide do you think this conspiracy goes? Why not move here to Australia and give our air a chance? All good questions! First, I did move, in April of this year. I lived in Jamestown, New York since February, 2003. In November of 2005 the spraying became so bad that I eventually had to go into my master-bath and run the shower often for over an hour most nights. I gave up a 3200 square foot house with a 1200 square foot attic that was in the family since it was built on about an acre of wooded land with tons of wildlife close to everything surrounded by good neighbors in a town of great people an hour from the vineyards of Lake Erie and 5 minutes from some of the most beautiful wilderness I've ever seen. I moved to Maine (this area) after making 2 trips here, 4 days each, searching for chemtrails each time. The first trip, I saw 1 small chemtrail in the evening over a neighboring town (Ellsworth) 45 minutes away on 1 single night. That's all. The second trip, I saw no chemtrails at all and had no symptoms at all, including no sinus burn, headaches, fatigue... No nothing! I was convinced, thrilled, and ready to move as soon as we could find a way (money is tight). After three desperate days of praying, we found out that Laura's mother wanted to move into Bangor and needed to do something with her house. The door opened and we walked through. We packed the business into 3 large trucks and moved. On the third morning, Laura got up, looked out the front door, and saw this... Here's the whole story: http://urlbam.com/ha/mzzzWe've spent probably over 100 hours researching places to move, but there are problems. Australia requires you to have a lot of money to become a citizen. I don't have that much money. The U.K. is getting sprayed like crazy and also has strict immigration policies. Houses are expensive and the dollar is weak. Ireland also had strict immigration policies. Some countries in South America are easier to move into, but there is the language barrier. In short, I can only afford 1 more move, and then, I don't know how I'd get a house. I'd have to rent. Remember, I'm moving a business so it takes 2 25 foot trucks to move everything. With some work, I could cut that in half. So, it's tough. Our business also has to mail quarterly updates to thousands of customers, although, that could be worked around with a contact that would be willing to partner with us in the states. Oh well. What to do. If money was not an issue, then it would not be a problem, but the cost of another move would leave me with little money remaining. If someone could find me a place that is definitely not being sprayed and where I could immigrate, I would seriously consider it. My life is quickly deteorating and I fear that if this continues, I'll be dead in a couple years, along with millions of others who seem to be particularly affected by this. Believe me, I have spent dozens of hours working on devices to clean the air, from ionizers, water-based cleaners, and more. In fact, here is a picture of my latest two devices: This is my first prototype made from an aquarium. I basically sent water through the aquarium with misters spraying water to capture particles. This actually worked a little and helped clear the air about 30%. This is my next prototype that uses a packed-bed type water filter that is modeled after industrial air purification systems. I just finished it a couple days ago but the air blowers I have are not strong enough to force the air through the "packing" material. I'm going to order some stronger blowers Monday. I have a phone call into an air testing facility to get pricing for helping me determine how to solve this. I also just sent a "wet-deposition" sample (that's a fancy industry term for rain water) to a lab and am waiting for results. In fact, solving this problem is now #1 on my list. It's so hard to function with all of the pains, fatigue, and joint deterioration I'm experiencing. If I don't solve this soon, I'm not sure what I'm going to do. If anyone has ideas, I'm open...Wide open to suggestions. I don't think its bad here in GA yet Russ. Lots and lots of trees, too. I imagine that helps doesn't it? The trees help clean the air. I wonder if mountainous areas are any better?
"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as if everything is." Albert Einstein
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