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Help. I had a bad UTI (again) cause I let myself dehydrate and needed an antibiotic right at Thanksgiving. I was also PMSing without knowing it since my cycles are erratic so gave in to eating some sweets even though they made me feel worse. I was also battling depression over some issues at that time so didn't care. Anyway - now I have bloating, etc., classic of candida. The Dr. prescribed nystatin but I want sweets and they've been too plentiful due to holidays. My strength is low. Suggestions for how to get back on track? I'm doing better overall emotionally and physically but need to get my guts in better shape. I just don't WANT the right stuff right now.

I'm sorry to hear this. Antibiotics are the worst. I had ONE course of antibiotics 2 years ago and have been FAR FAR worse even since. That is 2 years and I have now got a much worse case of yeast than I have ever had in my life. Hence why cheating hurts me so much now and it takes so long to ever improve after one.

I have also suffered UTI's before I think. I went through a time when I was getting rid of a lot of toxins and some of them of course were being shunted through those areas and I was in some distress. I kept wanting to go to the toilet, but could barely get anything out (excuse too much info here) and I had pain also.

I was also getting them when cheating, because of the increased toxicity in those areas. For me, it was not dehydration, but either intake of toxins, or elimination of toxins. I drink fluids, but am careful not to overdo fluid intake as there are deteriments to this practise too that many people do not know about. I am not sure whether you do this or not, but to anybody who is onto the 8 glasses or more a day of water? You may want to check these out.

Water, How Much is Too Much?
From: Do You Really Need Eight Glasses of Water a Day?

http://www.mercola.com/2004/may/5/eight_glasses_water.htm


Another Reason Why Women Can Retain Water
Explains Why Too Much Water Can Harm Marathon Runners

http://www.mercola.com/2000/may/14/women_water_marathons.htm

Carrying around water bottles and drinking alot of it during the day appears to be the "in thing" and has been for sometime now, but I still consider it a more new age "health practice" but is it completely normal and healthy? I've always found it a little unnatural, at least long term anyway. I think it maybe ok short term when somebody is trying to flush something out, but it does appear there are impacts long term.

The body is actually very good at giving signals of when it's hungry and thirsty. Animals also listen to their body and will act accordingly. We take it to the extreme and start drinking copious amounts of water during the day to try and meet this quarta of 8 glasses a day - regardless of any thirst signals or not.


Why We Don’t Need to Drink 8 Glasses of Water A Day

From: Drink At Least 8 Glasses Of Water A Day -- Really?
Source: Dartmouth Medical School
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/08/020809071640.htm

Admittedly however, cheating on sweets etc will cause an increase in yeast. Yeast apparently put out toxins/alcohols. Alcohol dehydrates. This is why sometimes people when they are going through die off can feel drunk. The increase in alcohols temporarily increases from yeast dying. It is not surprising too that a person could develop UTI's from candida infections either, or the toxins as it grows or dies. Or other toxins in those areas.

Jeanie, I hope this article might be of some help to you with what you are suffering:


Urinary Tract Infection (UTI) Causes & Treatments

By Bee Wilder

Revised January 31, 2006

The urinary system consists of the kidneys, ureters (tubes from the kidneys), bladder, and the urethra tube (drains urine from the bladder to the outside of the body). The key elements in the system are the kidneys, a pair of purplish-brown organs located below the ribs toward the middle

The kidneys remove excess liquid and wastes from the blood in the form of urine, keep a stable balance of salts and other substances in the blood, and produce a hormone that aids the formation of red blood cells.

Narrow tubes, called ureters, carry urine from the kidneys to the bladder, a triangle-shaped chamber in the lower abdomen. Urine is stored in the bladder and emptied through the urethra tube.

Normal urine is sterile. It contains fluids, salts, and waste products, but it is free of bacteria, viruses, and fungi.

An infection occurs when microorganisms, usually bacteria from the digestive tract, cling to the opening of the urethra and begin to multiply. Most infections arise from one type of bacteria, Escherichia coli (E. coli), which normally lives in the colon. Prevention of this kind of bacteria is best achieved by women wiping front to back after a bowel movement.

In most cases, bacteria first begin growing in the urethra. An infection limited to the urethra is called urethritis. From there bacteria often move on to the bladder, causing a bladder infection (cystitis). If the infection is not treated promptly, bacteria may then go up the ureters to infect the kidneys (pyelonephritis).

Microorganisms called Chlamydia and Mycoplasma may also cause UTIs in both men and women, but these infections tend to remain limited to the urethra and reproductive system. Unlike E. coli, Chlamydia and Mycoplasma may be sexually transmitted, and infections require treatment of both partners.

The urinary system is structured in a way that helps ward off infection. The ureters and bladder normally prevent urine from backing up toward the kidneys, and the flow of urine from the bladder helps wash bacteria out of the body.

In men, the prostate gland produces secretions that slow bacterial growth. In both sexes, immune defenses also prevent infection. But despite these safeguards, infections still occur.

UTI Caused by Candida Overgrowth

Candida lives in all mucus membranes, including the urinary tract, bladder and kidneys. Candida overgrowth in these areas cause the protective mucosal lining of the membranes to become damaged which allows bacteria to take hold and grow. This is candida’s role in causing infections.

Candida toxins also cause urinary tract, bladder and kidney problems because it puts out toxins, which are mainly alcohol, that make all of the body’s cells go rigid, including white and red blood cells. This decreases the normal functioning of all organs in the body, including the bladder, kidneys and immune system. Rigid cells also make it difficult for nutrients and hormones to enter them, and it decreases the cells’ ability to get rid of toxins.

Self-Care Measures to Reduce UTI & Ease Symptoms

While taking teas or cranberry juice treatments ensure you are also getting enough electrolytes (minerals) from ocean sea salt while consuming more liquids. You need at least 1 ½ teaspoons per day, either added to foods or put under the tongue.
Sulfur is the treatment of choice and it is best obtained from foods, i.e. cabbage, brussel sprouts, cauliflower, eggs, onions, asparagus, garlic, etc.

While urinating pour a cup of warm water over the genital area. It will help relieve burning and stinging.
Apply coconut oil liberally to the entire genital area, and ensure you are also consuming coconut oil along with the candida diet.

Avoid caffeine because it is irritating to the urinary tract.

Keep the genital and anal areas clean and dry. Women should wipe from front to back. They should empty the bladder before and after intercourse, and wash the genitals well after intercourse.

Take a 20-minute hot sitz bath once a day, to which you have added 1 cup of undistilled unpasteurized vinegar like Braggs. A sitz bath is a bath taken in the sitting position, with enough water to only cover the hips and buttocks. It helps relieve the pain associated with UTI. Alternate a vinegar sitz bath with a garlic bath, using three large cloves of crushed raw garlic.
Do not delay emptying the bladder. Go to the bathroom as soon as you feel the urge, and do not “hold it”.
Do not use any kind of bubble bath products or soaps in bath water.

Wear white cotton underwear that gives full coverage, and avoid thongs! Synthetic panties breed bacteria quickly and do not allow for good air circulation. Recent research shows that rectal bacteria propagate up a thong, causing infection.
Use a biodegradable phosphate-free natural laundry detergent from the health food store. Never use vaginal deodorants, spray, or powders on delicate tissues.

Do not use any soap directly on the genital area. Cleanse the area with only water. Sanitary pads and panty liners may also breed bacteria if they are not made from unbleached, natural products, like cotton. If you suffer from frequent infections, use pads instead of tampons.

Use unbleached toilet paper. Colored or bleached paper can be very irritating to the genital area, especially the urethra.
Take all of the supplements recommended for treating candida, and also take extra vitamin C during treatment; 4,000 – 5,000 mgs in divided doses. Ensure it contains rutin and bioflavonoids.
Massage the calf muscles on both legs. Pain in this area indicates congestion in the bladder meridian.

Treatments for UTI

Garlic Tea – Garlic contains a natural antibiotics and antimicrobial substances which kill bacteria responsible for many bladder infections. These properties are only contained in uncooked raw crushed garlic. Crushing garlic causes two components of garlic, alliin and the enzyme alliinase, to interact.

For candida sufferers who have not started on antifungals such as garlic, they may find they cannot tolerate the amount of garlic required to cure UTI because it causes severe die-off symptoms. Therefore, these people should use one of the other treatments (below).

To treat UTI drink 4 cups of garlic tea throughout the course of the day, for at least 4 days.

How to Make Garlic Tea

Boil 4 cups of filtered water.
Remove the water from the heat.
Add 4 – 5 raw crushed cloves of garlic.
Add the juice of 1 lemon, or more, to taste.
Let it steep 20 minutes.
Drink it hot or cold. It can be heated up if you prefer it hot, but do not boil it.
Parsley Tea – Parsley tea is a very good treatment for UTI, especially for candida sufferers who cannot yet tolerate high amounts of garlic. Parsley tea has been a used traditionally to treat urinary tract infection, kidney stones and liver, bladder and prostrate problems. The Cherokee Indians, who learned of its medicinal value from the settlers, drank parsley tea for kidney and bladder pain, and dropsy (edema, or water retention).

Culpepper’s Complete Herbal & English Physician book states: “that using the whole plant is best, including the root, and when it is fresh gathered. A strong infusion cleanses the kidneys and the urinary passages in a short time. It is likewise good in jaundice, and other complaints arising from obstructions of the liver. It is also helpful for gas, in both the stomach and the bowels.”

It is best to use fresh parsley, including the stems, to make a tea. But if you can get the roots as well it will make the treatment even more potent and helpful. Drink 4 cups per day for 7 days to cure urinary tract infection. Your symptoms will greatly decrease after 3 days, but continue for 4 more days.

If you are pregnant, parsley oil, juice, and seeds should be avoided because they are uterine stimulants, but the tea recommended below is quite safe to drink.

How to make Parsley Tea

Boil 4 cups of filtered water.
Remove the water from the heat.
Mince (cut up finely) 4 heaping teaspoons of fresh parsley (including stems, & roots if you can get them).
Steep 20 minutes; strain – it is okay to drink hot or cold, and it may be reheated without harming it, but do not boil it.
Drink all 4 cups throughout the course of one day, for 6-7 days.
Nettle Tea – Nettle tea is also an excellent treatment for UTI. Nettle is a common weed, which causes stinging and itching when the skin is brushed against it. Known as ‘stinging nettle,’ it has leaves with downy hairs that inject irritant chemicals under the skin. However when the leaves are dried or cooked they lose their sting, becoming a source of a pleasant tea and nutritious cooked greens.

Throughout history there have been many medicinal uses for nettles, including excessive bleeding of the uterus, infant diarrhea, and hemorrhoids. It was also used to treat women who didn’t get their periods. The dried, crushed leaf was sniffed to cure nosebleeds. Settlers also drink the tea to increase mother’s production of milk and as an expectorant to treat coughs and tuberculosis. Dried nettle leaves were smoked to ease asthma attacks.

Nettle was best known as a diuretic and spring tonic, and both uses were noted by Culpeper: “Nettle tops eaten in the spring consume phlegmatic (mucous) superfluities in the body of man…” Young nettle stalks are good sources of protein and vitamins A and C. Indian women drank nettle tea during pregnancy to strengthen the fetus. Also, eating the young leaves is said to improve the complexion.

Nettle has also been effective against arthritis, and it works against gout inflammation by lowering the amount of uric acid in the blood. Nettle tea has also been suggested as an alternative to antihistamines for use against hay fever.

Lastly, nettle tea has been used to treat urinary, bladder and kidney problems, including urinary difficulties associates with benign prostate conditions. The root has been found to be mildly effective in treating an enlarged prostate.

It is best to use fresh stinging nettle, including the stems, to make a tea, but protect your hands from the stinging while you are cutting it up. If you cannot obtain fresh nettle, use good dried nettle from the health food store. But if you can get the roots as well it will make the treatment even more potent and helpful. Drink 4 cups per day for 7 days to cure urinary tract infection. Your symptoms will greatly decrease after 3 days, but continue for 4 more days.

How to make Nettle Tea

Boil 4 cups of filtered water.
Remove the water from the heat.
Mince (cut up finely) 4 heaping teaspoons of fresh stinging nettle (including stems, & roots if you can get them).
Steep 20 minutes; strain – it is okay to drink hot or cold, and it may be reheated without harming it, but do not boil it.
Drink all 4 cups throughout the course of one day, for 7 days.
Cranberry Juice – Pure cranberry juice (unsweetened) has been very effective treatment for UTI, however it does contain sugar. However, it is more important for a candida sufferer to treat their UTI than to be concerned about the amount of sugar contained in cranberries. But it would be much better for candida sufferers to treat their UTI with parsley or stinging nettle tea.

As far back as the 1840s, researchers in Germany had noted that the urine of people who drink cranberry juice was high in hippuric acids; this finding was verified by American scientists in 1923. They speculated that the acid inhibited the growth of the bacterium E. coli, which caused the most common and chronic kinds of urinary tract infection. Later on it was discovered that certain compounds in cranberries block bacteria from sticking to the cells in the body, so that the body can more easily flush the bacteria out.

Buy 1 quart of unpasteurized unsweetened pure cranberry juice at the health store.

To cure UTI drink 1 cup per day, diluted with filtered water to cut down the strong bitter taste, throughout the course of the day. Most UTI infections are cured within 4 days.

To Make Your Own Cranberry Juice

Fresh cranberries are preferable but when they are not in season use frozen cranberries.

Grind up 2 cups of cranberries in a food processor or blender.
Add them to 4 ½ cups of filtered water.
Simmer at a low heat until the cranberries become very soft.
Remove from the heat and strain through cheese cloth or similar gauze.

The nystatin won't do much good if the diet hasn't been adjusted. Also you can get enough die off from the diet alone. I'd be careful about mixing the two after you have cheated. You may want to save the nystatin until you are well and truly back on the diet and have been for sometime.

Nobody enjoys this diet, particuarly around Christmas and I totally understand what you are going through. But you have 2 choices. Either you continue to be loose on the diet to enjoy the foods around Xmas and suffer the consequences and possibly need more antibiotics for UTI's, (The antibiotics will in turn cause a worse condition of yeast long term).

OR, you can consider the downside and pick yourself up, brush yourself down and get firm on yourself for the sake of your health and quality of life. Without improved health, there isn't much joy anyway! Food is enjoyable and is one of the pleasures in life, but frankly it lasts a moment compared to the long term consequences.

I would concentrate on healthy foods and exclude all the enemies - all things containing sugars and the high carbohydrate foods. Depending too on your candida severity. Some can handle a few more natural healthy high carbs than others. I cannot.

You may wish to also take a probiotic to help you after your antibiotics. You should do this for weeks or even a few months to replace the good bacteria. I have to do this too. I'm buying one soon because I don't believe I ever replenished the good bacteria after my course of antibiotics and evidentally a week aint long enough.

I wish there was an easy and quick way through this, but there isn't. It's about getting back on track, staying there and gritting your teeth and bearing it! There is no fast track to getting there. No easy answers. Sheer determination and discipline/will power.

This is what I was thinking. Sweets, in this case, are just like a drug addiction. You are going to hurt either way and you just have to look at them as what they are, something that will hurt you, and not give in. If you get UTI's from eating them then its definitely seriously enough IMO to put your foot down and say enough is enough. You can always pray for some help if you feel like you need it.

I wish you luck Jeanie! I personally can't relate to these struggles as well because I have been blessed with a strong will power...I gave up soda and sweets when I was 16 because I knew they were no good for me and never wanted to have another filling put in and very shortly after that my mind didn't even see them as food, and temptations were just non-existent. So I guess I convinced myself if I eat junk I would be more likely to have to visit the dentist and that was enough to make me say NEVER AGAIN!

Hi,

Just another note to add to this. After cheating on sugar at different times, I had the embarrassing experience of finding I was becoming almost incontinent (not to the extreme, but enough).

I do not know what happened, but obviously the toxins/alcohols from the explosion of yeast growth PROFOUNDLY affected me to where I had trouble controlling my bladder.

Yet this was never a problem for me before in my life. This is what cheating can now do to me.

The other one was excess thirst (though that can also happen during healing), but also my feet and ankles swelling up. There are too many other symptoms to even mention as a result of cheating here, but that should give an example of what cheating on sugars/high carbs can do to a person and any area they can impact.

Thanks for all the above and the article. Very very helpful. I know what a profound difference I felt when I first cut out sweets when I first got on here (thanks to you!! seriously!) and its a mind opener to feel the difference and the connection. I never really related UTIs to candida before eiher. I feel a bit better but working full time and am thrashed (and overwhelmed with all to do). I was just thinking today I need a probiotic above food sources so thanks on that, too. I forgot already : ) I'll make that priority #1 tomorrow. Today we had to get our heater fixed.

I use to go on cleanses and ha incredible will that way. My husband isn't as health conscious and actually bought me sweets for a while till I convinced him he wasn't doing me any favors. I grew up on crap, though. So guess sweets are my battle and, yes, the worst addiction there is! The key for me is eating good carbs when I want junk rather than processed. I do good with sweet potatoes, brown rice, etc., but haven't wanted anything healthy lately. I have noted craving the sea salt, though that Bex brought up or the article did. I fear, though, that if I let my thirst dictate water needs I might not drink. I have to force fluids for some reason. i wonder if something is messed up there.

Have you guys ever seen a connection to yeast with emotions? I've been a mess that way, too. Hormones and real circumstances partly but was over reactional. Thank you for the encouragement and help!

the issue of "strong will" is pointless when u have canddia infection.

jeanie, as for the connection of yeast to emotions, i think im an example fo much further than that. not only do emotions hit a complete childish/choleric mode, but basically yeast affects the way my brain functions - totally screws up my personality, shuts down empathy, gives ocd, deprssion, mqakes me feel antisocial, autistic, etc etc. i find yeast to be one of two most important factors DIRECTLY responsible for my tragic wellbeing. but i realise my case is probably very peculiar, as much as it is with many autostic kids.

Ditto it does ALL OF THOSE TO ME! I used to say at work I go as my Candida goes, if it's bad I can't think at all or even talk right without studdering or sounding like a fool! It messes up my driving and so on as well. When Candida is bad it really hits me hard and it's not a matter of will like you said.

Willpower can stop you from eating sweets.

What you two are saying would be the same as telling somebody that they should keep on doing heroin because its useless trying to stop.

The craving for sweets may be diminished with licorice tea. It is also a mild anidepressant and antifungal, and has no calories.

http://www.herbwisdom.com/herb-licorice-root.html

Yes Willpower can do alot, but the cravings will still be there and give you some bad days!!!! Some personal hell as I can explain to you if you wish? From bread, beer or whatever, all containing sugar which gave me bad days before beyond belief, the will is strong but without power you are useless. Power yourself to quit with minerals and nutrients and you have a good shot, otherwise it's VERY HARD!!!! It is about balance and options, which I learned in life early on. It is not useless trying to stop bad things, but you need the power to do so, which is your body and feed it the RIGHT THINGS to fight and stop it! Peace.

It is ALL about will power, and sheer determination and a resolve to fight regardless of cravings. I was heavily addicted to sweets, so bad that my initial elimination diet caused me to walk around pulling my hair, pacing and crying my eyes out and enduring headaches beyond belief with cravings that just about drove me insane.

The ONLY thing that kept me from giving in was SHEER WILL POWER and SHEER DESPERATE DETERMINATION. Nobody did it for me, I had to do it for myself.

No supplement, no medication, no nothing brought me through this. It was will power, determination, patience and time. Nobody can ever tell me "you don't know how it feels". I was one of the worst sugar addicts you could meet. I cannot even express the agony of what happened to me when first going on such a diet. It was like watching a drug addict go through withdrawal. I was a total and utter crying and salivating mess for weeks on end with the cravings that gnawed away at me almost daily. The amounts of toxins coming out of me, must have been so tremendous, that my clothes STUNK from the detox. I remember people complaining about the strange smell emanating off me and my clothing. It was incredible. But worth it in the end.

Does this mean I was perfect? No. I fell of the wagon a few times. I cheated and messed up a few times and in the end I had to get firm with myself and make a final resolve - NOBODY is going to do this for me except me. Nobody is to blame if I cheat on my diet except me. Either you continue to give in and buckle, or you go through the pain of deprivation of the things you want to indulge in for the sake of a hopefully improved future health (mental included). So which is it? Ongoing symptoms from candida (which can be severe) and complaing about what I go through? Or going through initial pain to achieve a hopefully better condition?

If a person is determined enough? They can do this diet. Nobody said it was easy and for some it can be hellish, but one has to make up their mind what they're willing to go through in order to gain at least "some" improvement or in some cases dramatic!

You're welcome Jeanie. I am very happy if anything I've passed on regarding this has been helpful to you. I know that without this diet, I'd be a much bigger mess than I am now and that's saying something

Yeast overgrowth can have a PROFOUND effect on emotions/moods/personality. Absolutely profound. Devastating actually. I almost ended my life a few times because of this syndrome. I had no idea what was happening to me, until I made a resolve to do the diet no matter what. It saved my life.

It's ALL about will power. That is the only thing you have to rely on (which I believe is a strength from God). The yeast aint going to be nice and "go away". You rely on YOU to feed you right. Who else is going to do it for you? Who else is going to be strong regardless of the cravings?

No matter how weak you feel, how ill, how desperate and how bad the cravings are, sometimes it's just sheer teeth gritting stuff to get through. Riding the awful waves out, no matter how bad you feel. I just DID IT. I hated it, but I DID IT. I was too tired and too sick to do much more for myself other than simply get the right foods into me.

At that time, i did nothing else. I honestly could barely even function. I was very lucky I didn't have husband or children or a job at that time and I admire anybody who goes through this and has such responsibilities and committments. But believe me, your health MUST also be a priority and one is going to be no good to anybody if they are overrun by candida. Somehow or another, such a victim must make a start somewhere and doing this diet "halfway" will not usually achieve results. I had to do it COMPLETELY, before the overgrowth began to die off.

yes it is bascially about willpower, because without it, without putting ur foot in it, u wont go anyway. thats obvious. Im saying discussing a candida problem in terms of willpower is a miss. as sean said u always have the will but do u have the power?
In my case candida often affects my mind so strong that i cannnot plan or do anything rational, let alone stick to a diet regimen. and im not even talking about serious cheating. like i woke up today ttoally catatonic and i just needed to drink the bottle of kefir, i know i shoudnt be doing this, but only after my metabolism has 'woken up' along with digestion etc, otherwise the food will not get digested and get putrified and feed candida, but i couldnt contain myself and drank it all.
only some time later now do i see i wouldnt do that. my mind has just woke up. (ps. dont kno how about u u but everyday i feel cattaonic from candida in the morning). in the past when goind on a diet the starving andida and brain fog would hit mie so hard that i wasnt thinking rationaly, had no object in my mind to go for no determination and often gave into soemthing. and then i eat soemthing like a hungry dog that i shoudlnt and te whole die off eraction stops. yet soemtimes my brain manages to hold on with the determination mode still on, and then i pull through.

im just saying willpower is a bad category to be discussing thing in when yeats issues so terribly affect the mind, often times its unimaginable. candida has alot of grat tools to keep u in a vicous loop, especially if u have a serious case of it to begin with.

and for the record: a heorin addict MUST go thru detox, we MUST go htorugh diet. no other way around that. its often just not that simple. if it were, we would be talking about the exisence of willpower imho.

oh one more thing - we maybe dealing with willpower still, but only after someones gotten rid of candida and just maintains the diet and avoids sugars so the problem doesnt come back. so then , yeah.

the only thing that can eliminate your candida problem permanently is heavy metal detox...

sure. but it will make ur candida worse when u do so and thus disabling u doinf future detox. controlling candida - not totaly fighting it - is crucial for hmd. its a tricky business.

I required doing both. Not treating candida was a nightmare for me, considering the amount of toxins it generated. Also screwing up my gut/liver, which then made my handling of mercury even worse. It also apparently methylates mercury and makes it even more toxic. You won't detox mercury that efficiently if your body is dealing with yeast overload and the toxins from it.

Either way, candida made me far more of a mess and reducing it helped me alot. Both mentally and physically. I was able then to deal with the other issues a bit better.

A dentist here will not remove amalgams from his mercury toxic patients until they are treating their candida problems. He's fully aware of what happens when he leaves them in that state. They are often too toxic to handle detoxing mercury - which can then cause redistribution because the gut and liver (required for detox) cannot handle the extra toxic load.

The diet really is not just about reducing excessive yeast. It is also about helping to heal the body and reduce all toxins collectively. Eliminating the bad and consuming the good, can only be a good thing to do. It's also a great starter and foundation to work from and go from there.

Like Jinx said, it is more about controlling candida, rather than trying to eradicate it all. You'll never eradicate it and a certain amount of yeast is normal. Plus I believe that the body produces more of it in the presence of heavy metals - as a buffer? I don't know. However, because of the toxicity of mercury and lowered immunity, if the person consumes the foods that yeast feed upon, it easily gets out of control and gains a foothold. If the person quits consuming the worst of those foods that allow that to happen, the body can at least have "some" breathing space and keep the yeast at somewhat more tolerable levels, even if it's at a higher level because of the presence of heavy metals inside the body - it may at least be somewhat under control.

It is debatable whether any of this is beneficial or not. I personally have found candida a nightmare for me in the past and now.

No one of the toxic people can excrete mercury well. That is why we use chelating agents.



Candida does not methylate mercury.



His patients are probably using a witch doctor protocol to detox. That's why there is redistribution.

The people who don't start chelation because they wait for their yeast problem to get better will never get well.

True, but leaving yeast as is will not help, but instead hinder and add to the toxic load even further. Totally unnecessary when there are methods of treating/reducing yeast. Cutler mentions this also in his book.



According to the many articles I have read on candida, apparently it does.



I agree, but apparently in his experience his protocol works well for most patients. I can't say it did the same for me. I had to go back to Cutler's and he didn't seem keen for me to do so.

Agreed again regarding chelation. No yeast condition will ever be resolved unless the underlying cause is dealt with and in the case of mercury - chelation is the remedy. Waiting it out will not suffice. However, reducing yeast AND chelating can certainly help reduce some extra unnecessary miseries as I and I'm sure others can certainly attest to.

jammes ure being irresponsibly inprecise.




which doesnt mean there wont be people who will not tolerate the chelation - according to a right protocole - even despite using chelatin agents. u know, a hg-chelate also puts stress on the body and HAS TO go thru the liver/kidney pathway in order to be excreted. what if those are alerady overburdened by the yeast toxins? we use chelating agents not as do-all tools, merely as helpful tools for the body which has there own detox mechanisms shut down. ure overestimating the role of chelating agents, however geat they are.



actually you know? there is controversy about it. controversies have a thig about them that there is no clear answer. some say candida sequesters mercury (=good), others say it methylates. Altough i gfound the first option plausible, i have yet to see a study that would prove it. there are studies however that indicate that candida does methylate mercury - AND EVEN IF IT DOESNT, OTHER BAD BACTERIA DO and having lots of candida in your gut will create envirement for them to proliferate. (thats why we call it dysbosis).



actually i think te dentist was just referring to the mercury fillings remval themselves when having candida. this is what hapeend to me, thought the same as you, got fillings drilled out with LOTS of candida still present and this has caused my health to completely collapse. had i adressed the candida problem betetr my body would betetr handle the exposure and i wouldnt get as sick. no doubt about it. it is also ONLY WHEN my candida levels go down that i am able to chelate. And i am fully aware of the cutler's protocole and using it. AS do many mothers of autistic children who cannot chelate them efefcteively when yeats are high. Not to mention high levels of yeasts reduces the amount of metals excreted even if u do manage to pull thru with a chelation cycle.

you are MISTAKING two things jammes. 1)to get rid of THE PROBLEM of candida u have chelate the mercury out, NO DOUBT about it. 2)controlling - NOT ERADICATING - the candida problem to make the chelation effective not to mention you yourself feeling better and actually having some life insetad of feeling miserable. even cutler himself says - if u have gut issues, address them FIRST before chelation.
and unfortunetely some people are so sick that they are in a vicious cycle - so much mercury in them that the candida problem is almost IMPOSSIBLE to controll, YET without the candida going down NO CHANCE AT ALL for detox and complete and utter misery.

its a matter of balancing the two, there are no easy answers. noones saying u should be blinded into fighting candida solely, but it would irresponsible to attempt chelation wen yeasts are high.

oh and chelation actually causes the yeast to proliferate. and that through:
- the metals being moved themselves.
- the action of the chelating agents themslves: dmsa/ala.

when i was more toxic I also suffered from an anxiety disorder caused by hg poisoning.

Never did anything because i was too scared and too brain damaged and I never got better.

I chelated and now i am much improved and i don't have to worry about yeast anymore. I can eat what i want. It doesn't really matter.

It is OK to treat yeast during chelation but don't let the yeast control your life. Chelate and you will get better.

The other stuff is just quackery.

PS. I never treated my yeast during chelation. It got much worse. I survived it and now i am much better. Yeast sucks but it won't kill you.

ok, basically i agree with u jammes. but noones talking about anxiety thats stops u from trying to chelate, just intolerable physical symptoms that arise when u have serious candida and attempt chelation and thus make u stop it.

how many rounds did it take you to sort out yeasts, jammes if i may ask? did u have a serious case of it to begin with?

thx

My yeast is not COMPLETELY gone but it is no longer a problem.

I think it took 20-25 rounds to get much better. Some need more.

The damage i had was mostly brain. I believe i was moderatly poisoned.

The problem is that you will never get better if you don't use ALA. Believe me. The hg will mess up up your brain function so much that you will worry about everything under the sun.

The mercury will confuse you so much that you forget that there is a simple way to get well again: Chelation with Lipoic Acid.

Just do what cutler says in his book. Forget the rest.

thx jammes.

i actually ahve done a couple of ala rounds already. unfortunetely most of them i had to stop tugh after hitting day 2 because of intoelrable candida symptoms, and its not anxiety. just toxicity getting to a point whnere ur liver starts aching and u feel like ure stuck and not excreting anymore. and then i have to take a break to take care of the yeast and that lasts a couple of weeks. see my point? i know yeast will get better with chelation, but when u have awful candida and immune system to begin with its a real callenege to chelate, to get thru the first fase. another thing is when your yeast issues are moderate enough to actually allow u to chelate on steady basis. that was the case with me 2 years ago, but i had fillings back then, unfortunetely. had i managed to chelate then i would probbaly be cured now.

jinx,

when i started chelation i often thought i was dying or going insane because my symptoms were so intense.

I often felt close to psychosis.

Chelation did make me worse (temporarily) and i believe i overdid it but it has saved me. I got some of my brain back. Without the LA i would probably still be a nervous wreck.

I don't know how i managed to do over 30 rounds. Really i don't know but i somehow made it.

When you have hg in your brain your are fighting a battle that you can never win. None of the therapies that are out there will provide long term symptom relief.

Chelation can cure you. Everything you need to know is in andy's book. He wrote this book so that you can get out of this without the help of a doctor even if you are very toxic.

He doesn't talk about candida methylating hg or yeast toxins overloading the kidneys etc. He doesn't do this because it's not relevant.

Most toxic people worry about things that ARE NOT RELEVANT and forget the things that ARE RELEVANT.

What happens in the body of a hg toxic person is complicated. Some of the highly toxic people believe that they can figure out what is going on. This is delusional.

Cutler has been a research scientist for most of his life. He figured out how hg toxicity can be cured and wrote his book to help others(who don't have his background and experience) get well.

Don't try to solve your health problem with your toxic and broken (no pun intended) brain's logic.

Just consult the Amalgam Illness book if you don't know what to do.

Cutler does not seem to believe that anyone is too toxic to chelate. There is no excuse to delay chelation.

If you feel that you need to treat yeast first look what AI says. If there is no useful information in there e-mail andy.
I am sure he had people with the same problem.

If you feel you are not emotionally stable enough to chelate you need to get on psych meds. Andy talks about this in AI. Many people with psychiatric problems need to take medication because they are too messed up to stick with the program long term.

Hope this helps.

Ps. I know how difficult this is but the more hg you get out of our body/brain the easier it will be.

OMG these are revelations. I have been in a rage lately toward people who have, yes, done me wrong but it is out of character for me. I have it in me, obviously, but its very contrary to my personaltiy to use swear words, etc. I have been insane before with relation to blood sugar, but have never related the candida with it before. I think this is at the root of a lot more than I had any idea.

Anyone heard of a Dr. Truss? He has apparently written books and found yeast in women's blood or something. I talked to a lady in the health food dept. of Kroger tonight (buying a probiotic formula to try) who had a yeast infection in her sinuses that about killed her. She sees him in AL. He is 86 but very sharp. Anyway - am going to see if I can find his book online and maybe even go see him, except I tend to self treat. Don't trust Doctors anymore. Don't trust ANYONE anymore : )
I think my worst issue right now is that my husband is even worse than mean is insane at the same time. We aren't doing real well.

Actually, though, just talked to him and we had our first civil conversation for a while because I have this insight and he is open to it as of right now. Thanks you guys. I am so grateful.

Wish I'd put this together years ago but never have. Not entirely. And I have some licorice tea JK : )

Sean, your battle with this is alcohol isn't it? My dad drank and didn't like sweets but drank alcohol to excess actually.

I do agree here. I need transitional foods. I've even read health lit authors who say this is necessary and even healthier to do that way with some graduation or you can get to sick. Kind of like chelating too fast.

In winter I think we crave carbs more due to lack of daylight. I noticed up in AK that I needed more and then started taking 5-HTP to try to stabilize and it helped. Wish it were simpler.

No I don't drink to get drunk really Jeanie, I drink a few of them but stop at a certain point all the time. Alcoholics love to get drunk and drink all day long, I only will at night and not too much to get sick or near a hangover. I had alot of problems before I drank beer from the Candida to Mercury etc. I might be in denial lol but seriously I don't drink too much when I drink.


BTW does Candida or Mercury cause the cravings? That might be where it comes from

I agree and I noticed that too in the winter, it really effects me more as far as carbs and so on. I am glad you noticed this! It really does make sense.

When I had amalgams in, I craved sweets horribly, but I found that GTF Chromium stopped the cravings nearly completely.

Here is a link to the brand that I used: GTF Chromium

Candida can also cause anxiety disorders. Whether it's mercury or yeast or both, they should be simultaneously treated in most people.

That's great you chelated successfully and no longer have to worry about yeast. But I say to others, why go through misery of leaving a severe yeast problem unchecked whilst you chelate? Since it takes often YEARS to complete chelation. Why not get yourself into a better state of mental/physical health be reducing toxins simultaneously?



It is, for some, ESSENTIAL to treat yeast, whether they are mercury toxic or suffering from some other illness suppressing immunity. This is how serious candida can be and sadly, yeast can indeed control a person's life unless they do something about it, depending on the severity of the case. Mercury is not the only culprit in allowing yeast to proliferate.

What other stuff is just quackery?

You survived it possibly because mercury was your main problem. With others, there maybe more issues going on at once and to suffer multiple toxicity at onetime can indeed be very serious and very risky - not only physically, but mentally/emotionally.

You said "Yeast sucks but it won't kill you".... Funnily enough, I have not only read about a lady dying of a heart condition and it was discovered her heart was encased in yeast, but have also heard of suicides as a result of a yeast infection out of control. These toxins, not just mercury, can indeed affect the brain/emotions to a serious extent and indirecty can push a person over the edge - so yes, even just the risk of suicide alone is cause enough for a person with a serious yeast problem to do something about it there and then.

Had I not treated my yeast, I may have gone through with the unthinkable. Mercury evidentally was not my only problem and there was more suppressing my immunity and allowing such a yeast problem. Not treating it, in hindsight is unthinkable to me now. Thank GOD I did something about it.

Some can become so sick with multiple toxicity, that they can barely function let alone get active with their chelating or even look after themselves properly. You may not have had the severity of yeast that some do. I was so bad when I did not treat my yeast, that I was practically bedridden. I was also in denial and decided my diet was good enough that it can't have been yeast (yes it as ). I coudln't even chelate properly I was so loaded up with toxins from all quarters and trying to do so caused severe gut pain/cramps that were intolerable and I was unable to take another DMSA pill.

Treating yeast enabled me to get up and start taking more action and I was able to chelate again. It also enabled me to function better and do more for myself, instead of lying in bed like a complete invalid with a bowl next to me.

Chelation maybe the cure for some, but it won't take away the symptoms at the time, nor the yeast at the time. Consider the length of time it takes to chelate the mercury. To leave a person in a severe state of yeast infection is not only foolish in my opinion, but possibly very dangerous if they are anything like myself! Again, I do not believe I would still be here if I had not taken strong action against this candida culprit. It has the potential to cause great suffering/misery and the risk of allowing someone to continue in such a state, even whilst they are trying to chelate, is not worth it.

For some, they maybe pushed so far over the edge, they may never even get to finish their chelation because of it. Suicides happen too readily in illnesses like these, there is no need to make a bad situation much worse and let it remain so throughout the months/years it takes to complete mercury detox.

Sorry Sean. I wasn't calling you an alcoholic. I'm married to one, though, and my dad was one. (My husband is a dry one "most" of the time. Actually my stress has been about his issues). I was still only relating your preferences because like I said, my dad didn't like sweets. He was only 38 when he died but also smoked and had Post Traumatic stress disorder from the Korean war. I probably need to go to alanon meetings. Just have nothing left in me and think, sometimes, people wallow in their "issues" too much. You do need perspective, but I get tired of thinking about things all the time.

Did you read my post, Bex?

I said it is OK to treat yeast during chelation but it is foolish to delay chelation because you have a yeast problem. The people who do this will never get better.



Please post more scary stories like this so that people will be too scared to do anything that might help them.

You say yeast can make a person suicidal. So can mercury.

If you cannot stick to a treatment because you are suicidal or because you suffer from an anxiety disorder you need to see a shrink. Psychological problems are not an excuse to delay chelation.

This post right here is GOLD, read it people it's the truth. Great post Bex, you said everything I could say in one post.

I agree and think you should do both, sometimes Chelation or detox makes my Candida alot better without even treating it! I feel alot better, breathe better and think better alot of times. When I use the Selenium I get bigtime Yeast flareups though? Chlorella helped, Cilantro when I used it (Two weeks only) and so did Zeolite, all helped with the yeast and Mercury at the same time. It appears Alginate or Kombu Kelp helps with both as well. If your yeast problems are Mercury related chelation can be money! I agree there.

Yes I did indeed read your post. But I also read how you didn't treat your own yeast, which was your decision. However, because of the seriousness of yeast in some people and the impact of it that can be much worse than realised - I felt compelled to let people know that it is most definitely not a side issue.



Scary stories? I very much doubt people here, who have suffered mercury toxicity and the impact of it and well aware of the more severe impacts, both through experience and reading, are going to sit in a jibberish state after my post regarding candida, rendering them into a state of immobility through fear. If that's the case, they better stop reading anything aboutwhat mercury itself can do, and that includes some of the more harsher reality posts by Cutler.

Like Cutler, if I shut up about the risks and impact of candida or mercury, then I'm guilty of remaining silent. It also helps others to realise that their symptoms from either can be helped if action is taken and sometimes it takes some reality shocks before a person will do something.

Do you think that Cutler should stop posting "scary stories" about what can happen if a person doesn't chelate properly too? He's told people that there is sometimes irreversible damage and people winding up in psyche wards. So your comments on me giving harsh reality answers regarding candida could perhaps be applied to him also.



Evidentally you didn't read my post properly or you're simply being insulting. It is known that both mercury and candida can CAUSE anxiety/depression and suicidal thoughts by the toxins themselves. No amount of psyche talk or analysing will convince the toxins to come out. It may provide support, but that depends on whether the psychologist is sympathetic and interested in a person's health, or whether they will convince them it's just "them". That in itself can be a risk and increase a person's sense of isolation, hopelessness etc. Andy warns about such people being put in mental hospitals. They don't treat mercury or candida.

I have been down that road and it was not a pleasant one, including the medications they put me on. I needed to reduce the toxicity and start feeling more human again and that's exactly what happened next.

I still had amalgams, but didn't know about the impact of them at that stage. I was put on a candida diet by a doctor practising some alternative health. It lifted many of the symptoms after a few weeks. Improvements were quite dramatic. I still suffered, because clearly it was the amalgams. Later I found out about them, and got the amalgams removed. But I still hadn't heard about Cutler.

It's been a long journey for me and many wrong detoxes were done through ignorance and other doctors giving me the wrong treatment, which often sent me over the top with symptoms also. Only through finally getting the internet did I seek more help and found Cutler.

During candida - much of my symptoms were also physical NOT just mental so that I barely had the strength to get out of bed most days and often had to have meals brought into me - all of which unfortunately were feeding the yeast problem and keeping me there. So this had little to do with depression/anxiety, I was physically exhausted and very toxic.

I didn't need to see mental help regarding chelation, and I doubt most people do. I simply got back on track with the diet and got strong enough to apply it more regularly. It doesn't mean I couldn't have done more chelation, or at least more with the ALA. But I was still getting more than enough symptoms on DMSA alone, which was difficult financially to continue with. Later I was hit with a virus and other things that I've had to deal with.

I've already tried ALA as I've said, but notice not much except worsening yeast. You've already said this is a sign of mercury so I am waiting till I can get more ALA and try again.

Bex, You are not reading my posts. I said some people need to see a psychiatrist to get psych meds to be emotionally stable enought to chelate and to lessen depression and anxiety because if its left untreated it will impair your ability to make rational decisions.

if you can't make rational decisions you will do stupid things and it will take much longer to get well.

I never said that your or any other (toxic) persons depression or anxiety is not biochemical and should be treated with talk therapy/counseling....

Thanks Russ. I'd been out of that for a while. Started taking it cause of you and just bought some more yesterday. I will buy some things from you next time I need a NSP. Just re "upped" with our local store as a distributor and got it for cost to do that, but normally its pretty expensive.

This is what I read:



I did read your post. And i answered it accordingly.



You did not state it like this the first time. Re-read the quote at the top. The extra additions here help.



Agreed. But from my experience with any therapist/therapy, I did not get the help I required. Such therapists would need to understand and be sympathetic to such toxicities and how many of them know or believe in them? I didn't meet any. Perhaps some are luckier.

I got through by sheer faith, prayer and determination to stay alive and start doing the right treatments.

Had you said all this the first time around as you've stated it here, I would not have answered as I did Jammes.

jammes actually when it comes to making rational decisions its not all just the emotional instability that causes people to act irrationally - sometimes its just your gray matter that is shut down from infecions, toxins, and yeah, candida, that come with mercury.
I myself am almost sure that i have an infection in my brain that is causing my dementia, and the more agressive this infection is the more candida i have. When my candida grows , no its not just emotional issue, its mainly COGNITIVE like I wrote before, when i manage to lower my candida levels, some of the brain 'lightens up' and i just feel better. More over, there might be even two infections in my brain, as Ihve had a swollen-like post-stroke-like left temporal lobe/left hemishpehere issue that has accured to me at the beginnig of the year and never left (so severy thought it was a stroke abck then). this last year i have been suffering from almost an ongoing left hemsphere brain swelling, feeling as if my left brain was about to burst, as well as things things like ear pressure that came along wth it (which nly i can assume came from brain pressure.
Those symptoms where the more severe the mroe my candida was. Also had this a bit when using ala - understandably as it crossses the bbb (cant use dmsa because of it causig neutropenia which causes my infection to prgress and ... yeast. and yes have tried things to boost mu neutrohils, and they didnt work, as my body didnt respond to anything).
It only made sense to me to get some candia under control - when i managed to do that even just a bit i managed to do some chelation rounds, which gave me yeast again along wth many frightening symptoms. to continue the chelation and just ignore the eyast would be irresponsible and too risky.

so tell me hw's that a crooked logic of mine (thou agree it can be because of being sick, but is it now?). im not trying to figure out what type of infection i have - yes i tried that some time ago but i let it go - because i know itr doesnt make sense because its all about immunity. but i know candida is ESSENTIAL to manage chelation. Just because STATISTICALLY i do 3 weeks of yeast fighting and 1 week of chelation doesnt mean i do the 3 weeks - or actually i have to because it takes that long for me to get candida somewhat more under control - WITHOUT CHELATION IN FOCUS.

I think ure taking the - yes very smart and generally true- andy's and frequent chelation group's advice but not applying it to real life circumstances. some dont have it that easy.

but you have some right in saying that toxic people tend to stall, cant argue with that cause had that myself and we cant blame them, but how much there is actual stalling and how much rational decisions only them know.

Jammes, thanks for your help. I need to chelate. I think that is your point. All of us do. I haven't for a long time. I make excuses and now work at least during the school year. I intend to try, perhaps, a weekend schedule with the low low dosages the website in Europe sells. That should help. (Or at least during summers to start). I tried to do it too fast and furious and then had kidney reactions. Actually it wasn't bad for me other than that, but I seemed aggressive, too, and have to watch that when I'm working with kids. I'm also peri-menopausal and do think you can treat things nutritionally to a degree. I was on Frequent Dose and Adult metal chelation websites (Andy's protocol) for a couple years when I lived in AK and then for a while after moving here 5 years ago and there were some folks who swore by Modifilan (a super seaweed) or even just high mineral usage to displace the mercury. I never quite formed an opinion on the best way to handle it cause I tend to think Mother Nature has the answers and prefer natural to a chemical, (but also believe that knowledge is God given (chelating compounds). I think Sean has talked about that (the minerals) if I understood right. Anyway, some people need to detox IMO first because they are so clogged, etc. they couldn't eliminate the mercury and that would be dangerous. Personally I use to cleanse regulary at least till I lived in AK where the cold made it harder. I guess for the past 10 years I've only done it here and there but did it quite regularly before that for 20 years or so which has likely helped keep my symptoms somewhat in check if I take good care. But health is more of an uphill battle as we get older, too. Anyway - your point is well taken. I personally need to chelate again.

As far as psyche meds some really need it. But I was put on Elavil for chronic pain when I hurt my back when I was 31. It did help me sleep, but I decided to get off it after a couple years cause it dulled my perception of life, feelings, etc., (and is known to cause intraocular pressure changes and I found out I am a glaucoma suspect with enlarged nerves and cupping and also have a family hx). It took me a full year to get off that crap!! Not technically addictive, buy my chemistry had adapted and I had to wean down really slow to get off it. One night I remember going into withdrawal writhing on the bed like a junkie till my husband brought me a pill and the symptoms went away. I did finally get off it but even though I wasn't put on it for depression, I sure was a head case getting off it! I suppose I'm leery of them for me. My mom has been on one since right before my brother died which she hasn't coped real well about so its likely good in some respects for her. Keeps her a little numb. I was tried, again, on Cymbalta (I think?), though, for pain issues again and I had horrible side effects. I sweated profusely at night which was intolerable for me so not an option, but I don't want to be on them anyway.

I bought some probiotics last night and this morning was up quite early going to the bathroom off and on quite a bit. I'd been bloated so know they are already doing something good. My mental outlook is also MUCH improved today. I drove my husband out of the house (by how I was reacting to him) yesterday but it melted away for some reason. I felt love for him for the first time since I've been feeling this way. Weird. (I feel the spirit again, too. I had an all around bad attitude).

I really appreciate all of y'alls support about this. I go so much better before cutting out sugar and its amazing the difference. I'm not too far off track, but plan to get back to how I got before. Not even sure what happened. I'm chalking this up to a learning experience. My will is back to being there again. Thanks you guys. Its amazing how far reaching helping one person can be. I feel like me again and want to be there for the people around me again. I was insane. Thats the only word for it. Granted I've had some real stress, some real issues that have built up, but my reactions were not normal. I feel more attractive again even. Amazing. (Not a real happy camper when I don't feel good about myself either). THANK YOU~!~ I'm so glad I stayed on here. Thanks for keeping me on Russ..... (Or putting me back : ).

Andy Cutler has mentioned before how difficult it can be to get a person in serious toxicity to do the things necessary to lessen their toxicity. They can become so poisoned, that they can be irrational, illogical and they find it difficult to follow let alone act upon instructions. They can also behave in a manner that makes it difficult for a person to help them.

My point is, that if candida is just another problem getting in the way of a person thinking a bit more clearly or rationally, then treating it may very well help in achieving a hopefully better and more regular plan of chelation. It is easier to carry out plans when a person is a bit stronger. Candida treatment for me worked better than any pscyhe meds. Psyche meds simply made me more toxic and gave me nothing but side effects.

But chelation is most definitely essential to any long term plan of gaining health if the issue is metal related and without it, don't expect to gain much. However, treating other problems that are increasing the misery or even hindering successful treatment of mercury should also be addressed.

If it's cavitations? That's another source of possible toxicity that maybe hindering/blocking healing from mercury and/or other conditions. Something else to consider. Cutler has mentioned this also, as has Hal Huggins. The toxins from cavitatins alone are worse than that of mercury. Cavitation patients in Huggins experience are far sicker than the mercury ones.

Other things? Possibly viral or other hidden infection. Unfortunately mercury can create the environment for such things to take a strong hold in the first place. So it's hard to know what is doing what. This is why multiple issues may require more than one treatment plan. Diet, chelation and looking at treating any possible/hidden infection. Easier said than done sometimes, since the source of such is not always easily identifiable or easily treated.

Jeanie, one doctor I knew about said that his wife struggled with candida and they wound up separating. Once she treated her yeast, they wound up back together. So yes, it can seriously screw up a person's feelings/emotions/perceptions/hormones and even ones appearance. Whether her actual underlying problem was mercury or not I don't know. But just treating the yeast made a significant difference to her and her moods and self esteem. However, unless they found out what was causing it, i dare say she'd spend the rest of her life having to be vigilant.

It's worth the frustration of feeling deprived of certain foods/goodies just to gain back a bit more sanity and stability. Not just for oneself, but for members of our families who have to put up with us also. So it can aid in the meantime, whilst a person treats the cause of the candida (if they know what that is). I'm hoping to get some probiotics soon too. Hopefully to build up my good bacteria a bit more. I think a course of antibiotics did me in big time. I've been much worse ever since with yeast.

Jeanie, remember that you can still go pretty natural by using alpha lipoic acid alone. it is simply an antioxidant! So if you are 3 months post amalgam removal (or other mercury exposure), you are safe to use ALA and do not need to use DMSA if you don't want to. Though the routine is not fun - every 3 hours dosage including during the night - it is important to do it that way to avoid the dangers of redistribution.

In the meantime, it looks like you do have a pretty serious problem with candida as well and like myself, require ongoing treatment of it and remaining vigilant. Falling off the wagon for me brings dire results. Which is why I'm not just treating candida at the moment, but looking forward to trying ALA again.

Let's try and keep to the programme! And it's nice to feel that one is not isolated in all this, but gaining support from others on here - as well as important healthful/helpful information. I find that a much better therapy than seeing a shrink!

jinx i don't know what to say. I offer just common sense advice. I know from personal experience that mercury makes you believe many things. I also believed many things when i was more toxic. In restrospect my depression and my anxiety made me believe many things that were not true.

I was obsessed with parasitic infections and brain disorders that i never had for example.

Hg afffects your thinking in many ways and try to explain this to you now:

You say that you have a brain infection and can't use DMSA because it causes neutropenia.

Do you have any proof that you really have an infection? I don't doubt that you feel awful but how do you know that it's not just mercury in your brain?

DMSA CAN cause neutropenia in some people but often it does not. How do you know that it causes you to have neutropenia? Have you tested your neutrophils during or after DMSA use?

So you are not using DMSA because you BELIEVE you have a brain infection(you really don't know what is going on in your brain)

and

you BELIEVE that the DMSA will cause neutropenia(you don't know if it will)

and

you BELIEVE that lower neutrophils will make your brain infection worse.

The odds are slim that all 3 assumptions are true but you are still very afraid to use DMSA because it might hurt you. In reality the DMSA will probably helpful long term because it lowers your heavy metal burden.

The idea that DMSA might(seriously) hurt you is based on an improbable scenario but your anxious hg intoxicated psyche tells you that it is very probable.

Anxiety is a very useful emotion because it can prevent you from doing things that might hurt you but when you are hg toxic your anxienty gets out of control and can no longer be trusted.

Your decisions seem to be based on emotions(that are out of control in hg toxic people) and because you are so fearful you are afraid to do anything because in theory it could harm you.

The result is that you do a lot of procrastination, chase every fad, frequently change your treatment program, worry a lot about stuff that doesn't matter, make a lot of theories on whats going on in your body etc.

The problems with this is that you forget what is really important:

You got exposed to mercury and you need to get it out.

I agree that chelation should be done regardless, because even the chance that mercury is involved is quite high. It's more common than people think when you consider how many sources of exposure now.

However, one may also mistakingly blame everything on mercury and there maybe some situations where it isn't OR it maybe only partly the problem. Mercury is of course a great mimicker, but it's not the only cause of disease. There are indeed hidden infections/viruses that can create havoc. Whether mercury set the foundation for them to occur? Possibly yes, possibly no. Nobody can know for certain, but chelation should be employed if in doubt.

Because unless whatever the problem is diagnosed and treatable, there isn't many other options available. chelation should always be tried in the meantime IMO. What is there to lose afterall? Except possible heavy metals in the process. Slow as it maybe.



DMSA may have drawbacks, but it has a lot of positives. It helped me post amalgam removal done Cutler style more than any other detox plan I tried I think. I too had a few fears of the neutrophenia scenarios, but I the mercury was causing havoc and at that time, I did not wish to use ALA. I got more than enough symptoms from DMSA alone and was not ready to bring ALA onboard!



The affects on outlook/emotions/responses are profoundly affected by mercury. Sticking to plans is hard. Procrastinating is common. The more poisoned one is, the more difficult it can be. A two edged sword. I know how it is, I know what I've been like with it and I believe still am. I recognise myself in fellow sufferers.

Not finishing what one started. Not going through with prior plans, not being consistent is pretty common and something I have been guilty of and often still am. But it is very difficult for the more toxic to keep any form of stability in themselves and their life. It is often too easy to tilt the balance when one is this toxic. So such a person tends to then avoid it for fear of a repetition.

However, from what I've witnessed - I have nothing but admiration for the many sufferers I've seen on here who have persisted in one way or the other to keep going. Somehow they keep trying. Chelation isn't easy at the best of times, but so much more difficult for those in a more serious toxic situation or battling more severe yeast issues. However, if it's mercury that's doing all this? There isn't a lot of choice in the matter.

Brain mercury can be responsible for allowing other problems to come onboard as a result. However, once those things come onboard, they can in turn, hinder ones ability to then continue to detox mercury. Again, it can be for some, a two edged sword. So though mercury can be the reason, detoxing it after one has a virus/hidden infection can be another story. I can attest to this and how my once active detoxing came to a standstill following such infections. Yes they can hinder or near block proper response to chelation. Not only that, if cavitations are involved, the toxins from them are worse than mercury and do not respond to chelation. They are not metal. Hard to spot though on xrays etc. Usually suspected when one worsens after extraction dental work (as I did). Though they are common in most people, not everybody is affected. Immunity should usually keep such toxins localised. However, they can apparently come systemtic and once that happens, a person can be seriously affected.

I'm still going to give ALA another go. Haven't got much to lose at this point. I'm hoping that regardless of the lack of healing/detox symptoms, that something may happen aside from the increase in yeast (which Jammes you pointed out as a symptom in itself).

I know this is not mercury because when I got mercury poisoned - probably being poisoned already- 2 years ago at the dental office which started this nigtmare i continually kept getting worse. so even 6 months after last exposure and getting all the amalgams out my dementia kept going. just conenctions shutting down. if this was from mercury in my brain there would have to be continoues supply of mercury to my brain, and there were no amagams anymroe, 6 months after exposure so where would all the mercury be coming from? ok could be from from body exposure, yet i avoided suplhut foods. moreover, before the dental posioning i would react to selenium/sulphur/ala (ala just for trial back then) and get typical mercury symptoms, after exposure - none, yet i was getting sicker and sicker. why? my tisuses where probably retaining cause mercury shut down my chemistry. so only logical explanation is infection esp sincemy immunity crashed at the same time. how do i know my immunity crashed? candida - before posioning getting on diet was enough for the mucosal immunity to start atatakcing candida and getting die off, before poisoning taking vitamin a/codliver oil/zinc/using zapper (that merely elcitrifies the bugs so they are inactive and immune system goes after them easily) and having the same reaction - die off. after poinsoning? NOTHING, almost no reaction or very little with a lot more effort. but basically nothing. so it makes sense immunity crashed.

i've also ahd issues in the past. all my lfie felt aspergerish/adhdish/depressed etc. i also had iq issues in high school , i just felt 'blocked' for two years in high school for no reason and then alst year of hgh school - boom iq goes up all of a sudden. and it was oo suspicious to think it was just maturing, not from the perspective what ive been thru, esp scne i ahd many issues like skin back then which i now know was gut. was it mercury that was affecting my brain for those years in high school? no, slim chance of that as mercury doesnt come out of the brain on its own. was mercury the underlying cause? sure, probbaly, whcih was confirmed by hair tets from two eyars ago, thats why i decided to remove fillings. didnt expect what would happen... (and no, no biological dentists in poland so i just had to risk).

alsow hat hapepend to me at the begining. of the year - was in ebd wtahcing tv when all of suddent fel like my left hemisphere got "wet" and cold and justshut downa and started aching/swelling. thought it was a stroke (ct ruled it out). mercury? no, because i had a very simialir experience right afetr that dental exposure, staretd feeling sick and was stupid enought to take ala - and my blood hg was high right after exposure - ended up having almost my whole RIGHT hemisphere blocked for some time. BUT this has correxcted itself in some part, and later on after ala use. So that was mercury. What happened in february with my LEFT hemisphere: a) similair in a way, yet felt compeltely different b) didnt respond to ala at all, and soon after that and later on. if its not a stroke, not mercury, then what is left? only infection makes sense. oh, not to mention i had fever on and off those days after the incident, and whenever i had t the swelling would be bigger. almost seems like the immune system trying to attack something (and bug is more likely then emrcury molecules).

and also u know what? what appened to me is absically the same thing that has happeend to austici kids. of course im not getting an autism dx because this happens to me when im an adult with an alreayd matured brain but everything else cheskes out - weakened immune system, emrcury exposure, crash and mental deteriorating. and bugs and infections are a fact in autism. not to mention multiple studies implicate it in many degenerative diseases (which could ahev mrcurry as the udnerlying culrpit).



no i havent but i get symptoms like getting cold, shivers (which are immune reactions), candida and my brain very much getting worse on dmsa - makes sense its neurepenia probbaly, esp sinc it makes my brain worse that much. hot do i know its not just mercury? because I DONT get thsoe things with ala (apart from the yeast).

and for the record: I did many rounds of dmsa first and stopped tolaertaing it. its not like i BELIEVED MSYELF into soemthing and DIDNT TRY IT. I have, gave it a try, didnt work, DREW CONLUSIONS. so my conlusions on dmsa are not really hypothetical, they are more empirical.

the point is: do i really know for 100% that dmsa causes neutropenia in me? no. but what i know is that i cant tolerate dmsa, tho i could before. meaning it does something bad for me, neutreopwnia or not, it seems the best bet. do i 100% know its an infection? no, but A LOT LOT indicates that (and i dont even remmember half of the things that point to that as well). and even id its NOT infection, tho it makes most sense, but sthg else, fact is candida makes it lots lots worse.

so why ASSUME everything is EMOTIONALLY DRIVEN? Those things i mentioned to u before are RATIONAL conlusions. Just because there is emotion to it, doesnt mean there isnt rationality.
A little while ago i read at autism/frequent chelation yahoo group that ther might be happenign strokes in autistic kids. of course i freaked out:) since i have all this dementia and brainpressure etc. but THEN i thought, i dont know this, lets not focus on it, get the emrcury out, see what happens and maybe do an mri in the future or other tests. And yeah that was definetely an anxiety driven conlusion - whether or true or not. But fact i saw it, means NOT everything has to be emtionally DRIVEN, even if there is some emotion to it.

bascially u are right about toxic people anxiety, it's just not all that black and white.

ps. I am chelating ala 16mg atm. wish me luck

Hi Jinx, possibly with some people there is certainly more going on than just the mercury and you seem a likely candidate. Though it's quite normal to worsen at some point post amalgam removal (6 months is a typical time, though some may take longer), as Cutler refers to this as the second phase of suffering (dumping phase, where stored mercury begins to leak back out). It is the sensation of being "repoisoned". In fact, for some, it is even worse than how they felt WITH amalgams.

Nobody told me about this dumping stage that occurs post amalgam removal down the track at sometime.

I'm sure you already know about this Jinx, sorry if I'm repeating the obvious. Plus it sounds like what you mentioning in this quote below, that you are in fact experiencing a chronic state - rather than the expected healing crisis responses one gets as they start to excrete the toxins. So that's what rings a few bells with me here. And you've been going through this now for sometime even with the efforts you have made.



This is very similar to what happened to me after the virus and possible cavitations. I used to get detox symptoms/healing crisis. Whether before amalgam removal or after removal (worse after removal because of the storage of mercury coming loose), UNTIL the infections. That's when something went horribly wrong and I stayed in a chronic state, rather than the roller coaster ride you get towards improvement with detoxes. As though something was blocked.

Like yourself, I made even MORE efforts following infections with little to no results that I had prior to them. It was the most bizzare thing I have experienced. I'm not saying this is what you have, but I'm saying that it does sound similar to my own situation.

A person cannot possibly understand this unless they go through it themselves. I'll repeat again in case anybody is in doubt. Before the virus and infection, I had detox/healing crisis symptoms that would, over time, produce gradual improvements - though with quite a bit of suffering and patience. I was getting better as the years went on (though through much ups and downs in that slow process). After the viral/bacterial infection and the possible cavitations after extractions I had in 2004? a worsening of my condition into a chronic state without responses to efforts of detoxing/chelation like I had once had.

I have also experienced the chills and fevers too Jinx and that came after the infections also, not before. Many things came after the infections that I had not had with mercury toxicity. Mercury poisoning was a nightmare, but it is curable. It's a slow cure yes, and often one with suffering, but it's a process of healing. A roller coaster ride maybe, but there is the strength still there to excrete the toxins. The body asserts itself and you gain a response.

What I have now is entirely different. To try and get through to people about this has been near impossible. And unless/until they ever get put in a similar situation, they will never get it. Seriously, even glandular fever didn't do this to me. I even recovered from that with efforts towards candida and mercury. I was recovering from mercury too. What i have now is something MUCH MUCH worse and sadly it hasn't shown up on any blood test, but it's as real as mercury.

ONe doctor told me there are so many viruses/infections that exist, but they have no name for them all, nor do they know what to test for in all cases, so there really is no blood test for them all - nor do they understand them all or the severity and what such viruses/toxins/infections are capable of doing.



None of this is so black and white. Nobody knows all there is to know about every disease and what it does to a person, or each individual's biochemistry and how they work or what exactly is REALLY going on.

But regardless, I wish you luck on the chelation with the ALA in the meantime. Wish me luck when I get mine. I just wish there was some response, anything at this point would be encouraging! Good or bad reactions!!!!

Take care Jinx. Let us hope that whatever is going on, that if mercury does have a role in this, that somehow, some way, some at least might be removed in the process regardless of other hinderances.

u too bex:)

They need to see Psychiatrists and get meds???? What do meds do? Some can kill or make you alot worse, why not try large amounts of Magnesium which is a mineral and calms and is HUGE for mental health? What is the Psychiatrist going to do sides eat you out of more money, and meds can make some alot worse who are bad already and put them over the edge, google IT!!!!!!!!! I agree treating Candida and getting strong before chelation, but why not try Magnesium or something else for mental health (Which your body needs) and killing Candida with large probiotics or Enzymes before as well? Won't that save alot and do alot better for you? Meds are never the answer, what benefit do they do for your body and does your body need them? Minerals it does need and so on, but not meds, they can even kill you in themselves!

Sean, I hate psychiatrists and i don't like meds. The problem is that for some people magnesium and enzymes do not work well enough to control their mood.

I tried mangnesium, enzymes, diets and many many other things. I didn't work well enough to control my symptoms.

I lost one year doing stupid things and lots of quackery because of my crazy moods/depression/anxiety. At this time I knew i was poisoned and chelation would help me but for some reason i didn't chelate.

I was too busy worrying about parasites, infections, candida and trying stuff like energy medicine, zapping etc.

I was delusional. I had hundreds of weird symptoms and strange stuff going on in my body and many crazy theories(never based on any facts, just some crazy stuff i read somewhere on the internet) why this happened.

The chelation with lipoic acid was the only thing that helped. You CANNOT think and function well with brain hg. It's impossible.

if someone is not capable of doing a simple thing like taking a pill lipoic acid every 3-4
hours because of mental health issues, how can this person be helped???

Ps. I never took meds but in retrospect i should have taken something to calm me down.

You're completely ignorant jammes to think you can safely take meds to "calm you down". There are numerous forums with more active members than the mercury crowd who have all suffered due to psych meds, specifically ones that "calm you down". Do you know much damage to your body those drugs can do? Go check out forums like benzoisland.com, benzowithdrawal.com etc to find the truth of what they can do. Even over a short period of time they can do significant damage, you think mercury toxicity is bad wait till you experience benzo withdrawal. I was on them for 1 year and 4 years later my CNS is still recovering. I would rather be dead then go through that again, and that's an understatement. It basically has similar symptoms to mercury toxicity anyway, if not more. So in retrospect you can't offer a valid opinion on this topic so refrain from doing so.

Sorry but I really hate people who go all out with the body toxicity propaganda and then think that psych medication is something you can use without harm. I've chatted to another guy that had his mercury fillings removed(he's planning to write a book), tells me he has healed a lot since removal but has some lingering symptoms and he thinks pesticides are causing them. Then he mentions to me he took benzos during chelation, mentioning symptoms he has that match benzo withdrawal. I just dont get the logic you want to recovery from one health problem but in the same process create another one? potentialy more severe than your current one? If you are going to take a powerful mind altering drug at least do your research on it and by research I dont mean reading up the drug manufacturers website.

Did i say people should take benzos? No.

Not chelating because of mental illness can also be very harmful btw.

They will all have a detrimental effect. Google "insert drug name here" withdrawal / side effects.

We are all suffering here, I'm sure not chelating could be harmful, we all have to cope here with whatever symptoms strike us. Adding a drug to the mix isnt going to help bring your body back into homeostasis, just prolong it.

You think you can find a pill that will be helpful? Go fish, I garuntee you come back with nothing.

freebalin/james I think its a matter of lesser evil. Sometimes taking a drug is really necessary: eg when having psychosis u need to stablizie sb. thing is, do they really work and should they be considered a good option? i think u should always adress the issue as close as possible to the root cause. getting mercury out takes time, psychosis is here ad now, if we know that theres candida contributing to or causing psychosis DIRECTLY we should address it. No amount of drugs will make the problem of toxins in the brain go away. in fact, druggin will add to it. like the psychosis thing: its both super anxity and cognitive shutdown. tranqulaizers might adress the anxiety, but will they adress the cognitive side? and even if they do adress anxity issues, again, who says they adress them well, since there is still a factor messing with ur limbic system?
not to mention that we are biochemically screwed already and those meds NEVER work selectively on just the brain .

in my experience when i took ssri's it never mad ethe issues of brain fog, cogintion, anxiety go away. i just felt "drunk" or "high on serotonin". thats all. same goes for other meds. even sleeping pills - though they are different category - DIDNT WORK for me (even two , 3 pills) and i wasnt even agitated. thats how my brain was screwed. so why would other work? imho, i always found it surprising andy cutler would believe so much in meds working, esp when u are mercury poisoned. but different things work on everybody.

on a side ntoe - jammes, i and the other posters have been arguing with u a bit heavily, and i just wanted to say I really VALUE AND APPRECIATE your input. people do indeed tend to proscrastiante to a point- myself included - and no one's been pointing that out. Sb should have, and its good you have and we are discussing it. It's just that its all much less black and white imho. So thx anyway:)

Like i said jinx google "drug name" withdrawal and make up your own mind. Seriously though how are you going to be able to tell what symptoms is from what cause? IMO if you are experiencing heavy symptoms maybe you should chelate at a slower pace.

sorry I dont understand ur point free, i think i said clearly im againts drug use - and yes I despise them as well as psychiatry overall- maybe unless some particular instances. like i said, never aunderstood andy promoting it that heavily. and thats why i used the term lesser evil.

I was put on antidepressants at age 21, because of my symptoms. Those that prescribed them took no interest in my health at all and brushed that aside. one of the reasons was the fact i broke down crying one day (which is not like me in front of other people) and they decided I was depressed and needed meds and a psychologist.

I was just ill, but they didn't know that. I also suffered pressure headaches daily, which would build up over the course of the day to intolerance levels. I took pain killers. This is from a person that has not been a headachey person at all. I took after my father who I don't think has had a headache in his life. Yet suddenly I was getting these odd headaches (like your head being in a vice).

Then the antidepressants came onboard. At first, you "think" you feel "something" and at times it gives you a strange altered sense of reality. It felt for me that I was not myself sometimes, though it didn't alter my personality as such, I didn't feel right. There were moments where I thought it had helped a bit, but they would never last. Then the side effects would kick in. So I'd be shifted from one antidepressant to another and on it went. The side effects always prevailed, but any so-called "benefits" always left. And the benefits were minimal and I still had that altered sense of reality about me. I suffered with other sympoms too that altered my appetite, libido and other things that are hard to even explain.

They continued dishing them out to me, regardless of what I was suffering as a result and didn't seem concerned. Eventually I took matters into my own hands and stupidly did cold turkey and went off them all immediately. Nobody told me about the need to wean myself off them. Nobody told me that cold turkey from an antidepressant can apparently cause a severe dark depression.

I went off them and that's exactly what happened. I was thrown into some kind of horrible darkness and suicidal thoughts. So I spent sometime dealing wtih this and often unable to talk, but only lie on my bed in a foetal position.

Thankfully the worst of that lifted. But I was the same as ever as far as toxicity went. That's my expeience with antidepressants and I was on quite a few different ones. Not one of them helped me, but all gave significant side effects that were worsening the longer I spent on them.

However, I will also state that there are "some" who have apparently found antidepressants a life saver - for me they simply added to my toxic burden and caused other problems of their own.

I had 8 amalgams, which I believe was the culprit all along. The candida I was living with was just as bad, if not worse in the symptoms it was causing me (even if mercury was the underlying cause). The diet I went on reduced the candida and I was a happier and healthier person with more energy, better skin, brighter eyes, better hair, not as bloated, headaches GONE. I mean gone, not even a twinge of pain etc. All that in a matter of weeks. I started laughing a lot more and I was a much better person to be around. And that was only for giving up sugar, wheat/gluten and yeast. I didn't need to be quite as strict then as I do now and severely restrict ALL high carbohydrate foods. I got away with still consuming potatoes, fruit, some milk etc. Giving up the wheat/gluten was also magic. Didn't realise how much poison this was. Not just because of the gluten, but apparently wheat is treated with mercury fungicide. And anytime I cheated and ate wheat in anything, I'd get immediate toxic symptoms - I'd go very cold, get crying/salivating and shivering spells. No doubt it was either directly poisoning me, or I was succumbing to the existing mercury already inside of me.

The diet was was not a cure as I've said because the amalgams (source of the problems) were still set in place. But the difference in me was still pretty dramatic considering how I'd been before. .

Later I got the amalgams removed bit by bit over the course of a couple of years (because of finance). Got worse after last removal because of swallowing the particles of amalgam due to neglect by dental assistant and dentist. Suffered immediate tremors and headaches. Other symptoms too. Took "some" DMSA (the wrong way), but had a few symptom reliefs from that. Didn't realise that all my stored mercury was still there just WAITING to hit me further down the road.

One year or so post amalgam removal, wham. I got hit with the dumping stage. The slow leaking out of stored mercury began. That's when the nightmares REALLY started. Even the diet couldn't prevent that from happening and there was no mercy from then on. Then I had a DMPS IV (Didn't know about the warnings then). This did even more. Sadly, instead of the mercury going into the urine to give an idea of how toxic I was, it didn't. I had a urine test taken very soon after the IV (bad mistake) and only ONE urine sample. This does not apparently always give an accurate indication.

However, regardless of my test results which showed little to nothing. The DMPS had most certainly done something. It erupted so much mercury from storage that I was now left in a terrible state. From that time onwards, I then was covered in rashes everytime I heated up/sweated/exercised/took a bath. Covering me extensively from head to toe. This also occured if I took any mercury related detox products. Same thing. But increased upon heating up even further.

I spent years of going through this. Later I got on Cutler's protocol and starting making more substantial progress. Though I was still making "some" progress prior to that, Cutler's is what really got the ball rolling and started addressing the mercury more directly and without the insane and intolerable symptoms that I had experienced when trying to detox it by other means. I felt ill during the chelation yes, but not turned into a psycho.

Good post and I agree with every thing you just said. I didn't know where you were coming from, but you appear to be right and I need to look into Chelation myself because like you said NOTHING else seems to work except controlling Candida (Thats a patch for my symptoms) at TIMES. Magnesium used to work well for me, maybe I need to take up more of it again, but that causes loose stools and mine are already loose enough. Enzymes never worked for me much, ditto there. I need to chelate, it's that simple.

i tried magnesium because it is supposed to be another 'miracle' supplement... it is helpful but i was still very sick and taking LOTS of it. Maybe it does work for some people but not for me.. The only thing that helped me was detox.

Maybe all the stuff like candida treatment, magnesium etc, does work for people who are not very sick but for the really sick it is not enough unfortunately.

my mental symptoms where so intense that nothing gave me any relief... tried lots of it.... when you detox the mercury your body will respond better to other therapies and treatments.

Detox is really simple. ALA(on a proper schedule)+ Antioxidants + minerals/vitamins that's all what you need. No doctor required.

I concur Jammes. Though the candida diet helped with symptoms and eased some of the toxicity it was not enough. It simply "sustained" but never cured.

Also, once the amalgams were out, there was an onslaught of symptoms later on from stored mercury beginning to move and come leak back out and once that occured, the diet could only do so much but I suffered horribly regardless because the stored mercury was really on the move and there wasn't much to suppress the symptoms once that started. However, without the diet it would have been far worse.

Only proper chelation began to sort that out for me. Supplements and diet are a great help and may in some cases be a life saver, but they are hardly a cure. Since there is always something CAUSING candida. The only way it would ever be a cure is if somebody temporarily got candida from a course of antibiotics and simply needed to get back on track again and replace the good bacteria. Then yes, treating candida may cure that.

But not when the root cause is mercury or something else that requires other treatments to gain the cure a person is after - and it takes time. Even the best protocol out there for mercury is not going to cure it in a matter of days or weeks. Months/years is usually the time period to improve and finally get better. Typically it takes a few years post amalgam removal.

I tried many things before i chelated with ALA:

chlorella, cilantro, NDF, High Dose Magnesium, Transdermal Magnesium, EFT(Emotional Freedom Technique), Vitamins/Minerals, Zinc/B6 for Pyrroluria, Zeolite, Activated Charcoal, different homeopathy, electro herbalism, Fish Oil, EPA Oil, DHA Oil, Olive Leaf Extract, GSE, Raw Food Diet, Food Allergy Diet, Paleo Diet, St.Johns Wort, 5-htp, Lithium Orotate, Truehope supplementation program, Self Help Psychotherapy Books, Anti Parasite prescription medication and a few othersn things that i don't remember.

Nothing gave me any significant and lasting relief. It was scary. The only thing that i can recommend from the therapies above is the raw food diet and orthomolecular doses of vitamins and minerals. But even this was not enough to make me feel really better.

Thank you Bex. I think I'm still telling myself I can handle certain things cause I could for a while, but not right now and, apparently, these issues are deeper than I thought. I started scanning my book, "The Carbohydrate Addict's Diet" and it would be a good transition perhaps. I was sick today at work and not sure if it was flue or the other. I haven't been sleeping. I need to start chelating. Just going to go really slow, though, and take a wholistic approach.

It's not really about how much Magnesium you take, I guess it's all about what you can absorb, and us with messed up GI tracts from Candida or Mercury won't absorb our minerals properly, maybe thats why it did not work well for me late and you? Just a theory. I am where you are though, all these miracle things and vitamins and minerals never seem to really work for me, which leads me to believe it is the Mercury and I won't get well until I get most of it out! I need to chelate this year, I can't keep losing years off of my life (Potential younger years) because of it and holding off. I guess the time is now.

Ditto, I tried alot of these things you did and they might have gave some relief but it never lasted! I feel the same way you did at that time now, frustrated. I feel you hit this on the head in here for me and I need to chelate and get it out of my brain etc., it's just that simple. I am going to use Kombu Kelp (With Alginates) to mop up what comes into my stomach and so it will not reabsorb, that and some ALA and the vitamins and minerals along with it. I have to do those things, that seems to BE KEY!

I believe Vitamin E and Selenium is a must too right? Andy even says that?

Hi Freeballin, ((( Smiles )))

It's best if one can avoid it, too not take meds..
I try not too myself.
When I had severe Tinnitus & Hyperacusis..
Without Trazadone, I would not have made it.
I would not have slept at all..
and going without sleep can be bad for a person too.
I also would not have made it through the expirence itself back then.
It's hard to explain that to someone who has never expirenced reactive 24/7 tinnitus or severe hyperacusis before.
Not saying that what you have gone through yourself is not hard enough..
As I read what you wrote..
.
But hyperacusis ect can get real bad too.
But what I came on to say after reading this thread is..
That people have come down with severe tinnitus and or hyperacusis from benzo's as I have read their stories on it before..
Expecially on a benzo withdrawel it can happen.
A person has to be carefull with that.
and hyperacusis especially can be an awfull thing a life threatening expirence too.
You came down with CNS..
If you didn't come down with hyperacusis or tinnitus you are very lucky about that because..



http://www.tinnitus-audiology.com/hurts_to_hear.html

Just another thing to think about with Benzo's or meds that effect the CNS..

Take Care
Lynn

The alginates are not necessary. In theory they could even interfere with absorption of ALA and other supplements.

Vitamin E is essential to protect you from the damage the mercury does when you chelate it out of the brain.

The essential supplements DURING chelation are:

vitamin E (every 24 hours)
vitamin C (every 6 hours)
Zinc (every 6 hours)
Magnesium (every 6 hours)
Lipoic Acid (every 3 hours - 4 hours at night)

If you can take other minerals and vitamins to reduce symptoms and support your body.

Before you start study cutler's protocol closely. You can hurt yourself if you don't understand what you are doing.

I won't jump into andy's thing without reading more, I know that the Kombu which contains the alginates helps mop it up out of your stomach and prevents it from reabsorbing, plus I never heard any negative about it so it can't hurt (Infact it could help). Thanks for the supplement listing though, I use the Zinc and Magnesium already and I am going to use the Vitamin E when I get it as well. I will hold off a little on the ALA and read more though, I love to study before I get into things.

just for the record: stopped chelation after 1.5 days. reason: intolerable candida.

life sucks.

what symptoms did the candida cause?

going insane? and no, not anxiety, seriously altered social functioning, coginiton etc etc, bascially loosing touch with reality. only enema helped and now im a bit better.

eg. my dad has a bit of an alcohol problem, anyway he overdid it today, and before i did the enema i just didnt know how to react and couldnt care less about it (=childlike). only after did i come to my senses and helped my mum deal with the problem.

sorry james but if u think there's a med that would address it, then i say good luck finding one. if a toxin is in your brain, u remove the toxin (=adress candida).

oh not to emntion it just causes multiple problems besides the one above: clogged sinueses, feelign weak and cold, arthritism, lack of apetite, and what i like most - hairloss. and u just geenrally feel toxic.

seriously altered social functioning, coginiton etc etc, bascially loosing touch with reality.

I think i know what you mean. I also had this when i chelated.

hairloss

I never had this. You really lost hair?

I am sorry to hear that you can't handle chelation.

The problem too is not just the increase of yeast at the time of taking the stuff, but I get it long after I've stopped. And that's the issue here. One can put up with short term worsening of yeast, but when it's long term there is a bigger problem.

For some of us, we require to be able to function somewhat in our daily lives (family/work/responsibilities).

Jinx, I wish I could suggest something that might help you whilst you chelate to prevent this from occuring. This is horrible. I wonder if taking a lot of probiotics during chelation might help offset the altered bacteria as the ALA pulls mercury through that area?

jinx did you take enough antioxidants with the ALA?

my memory is so bad that cant tell u exactly what dose i took, but it was more or less:
vitamin e - about 800mg/day
vitamin c - 5-10 grams
zinc - 50mg
selenium - 100-150mcg
cod liver oils - 5x500mg caps 3x/day
milk thistle - 70-140mg with each dose
artichoke - 400mg with each dose


plus lots of green tea that i drink everyday. tho gotta tell u, when before poisoning i felt the effects of antioxidants, after that i havent felt a thing. a good example is vitamin c that before would give me diarrhea at 1gram whereas now its at least 15grams(!). unfortunetely cant take that much due to money issues.

why?

Yeah around 03 or before when I started to get bad (After that when the HUGE mercury tooth cracked and started leaking) I could feel what I took as well! I could feel alot better from about a gram of C or whatever I took, since then I don't really FEEL ANYTHING! I mean I can feel the Kombu I take because it helps detox and I get energy, but the vitamins and minerals I feel NOTHING! I wish I had the answer, the only think I can think is Candida clouded your GI tract and hurt your absorbtion, that or the Mercury blocks your body from absorbing those minerals correctly, thats what I have read anyways. I guess it hurts you in that way, it breaks your body down in that way and thats how it makes you sick, the blocking of needful minerals and vitamins and then your immune system.

Why?

I found that taking LOTS of antioxidants would make my chelation more tolerable....

Have you done a panoramic x-ray to make sure that there is no amalgam hidden under your new fillings? Some dentists are real quacks and leave mercury pieces in your mouth when they remove fillings...

I've been pretty quiet around here recently. Going through some of my own health issues--Unexplainable severe itching.

However I wanted to chime in on the DMSA causing neutropenia. I got mild neutropenia from 2 months worth of DMSA. I started at 15mg and was up to 25mg.

These past 5-6 weeks have been terrible for me. The freaking itching is making me go crazy, so I started taking Zyrtec. (You know it's bad when I am taking medicines) I have been feeling pretty blah. Different than what I had normally been feeling though. My WBC were low, neutrophil count low. They were not like chemo patient low, but I was trying to be careful with where I was and who I was around. I had been off of the DMSA for about 8 days when I had the first set of blood work done. I knew something wasn't right.

Then I had more blood work done at about 14 days out from DMSA and everything went back up. Phew... Liver enzymes are slightly elevated, which are also probably from the DMSA. I don't see any other reason because I don't drink nor take OTC pain relievers.

If any of you think your neutrophils are low, then get blood work done to verify. You'll need a CBC with differential. If they are low, it can be much more dangerous than some yeast flaring up. You could find yourself in the hospital if it gets really bad.

I may be completely abandoning DMSA for ALA when I start to detox again. Probably start at like 4 or 5mg every 3 hours. I need to sort out a few other health concerns before I start up though. No this is not me putting it off either, I need to get my thyroid sorted out. TSH went down to 0.01 the other day for some unknown damn reason. I am hoping it was a lab error!

A Holistic Dentist took the X ray of my mouth (I know you were talking to him not me, but interesting point) and showed me the tooth that he was going to take out and it appeared black in color and the rest white on the X ray, I guess that would mean I am clear since this dentist studied it and checked for more and didn't say a word in the end. I am glad you brought this point up.

Birdlady, I am so sorry to hear all this. Also sorry to say, your thyroid results are not likely an error. My thyroid crashed not long after I had all my amalgams removed. I didn't do it safely and did it all very quickly. I pretty much "hit the wall" after I had it all done. With all fairness I'm also an O type and we are prone to thyroid issues with the wrong diet and it had been borderline for several years already. I'd also suffered a miscarriage right before I learned it was low or else the pregnancy helped cause the crash. The low thyroid could've also caused the miscarriage. I've been on 120 mgs. of Armour for several years now. At first the bozo wanted me to try synthetics which I had hives from in AK and had never used Armour. He had me up to 240 mgs. even when I told him I was feeling like it was too much. This guy was a real A hole. Had to go over his head to even get help. He told me I was on toxic dosages. I was losing weight like crazy and felt like I was in hyperdrive. Anyway - good luck. The glands are affected with mercury and its always a risk when releasing it, but it was likely there already, too. Pretty sure my pituitary and hypothalamus are affected and who knows what else. Kelp is very good for thyroid. Partly the reason its so good for mercury toxic folk.

I have to say, after hearing this, I'm thinking I'll use ala only at this point. Natural....

My Dr. just prescribed another 2 doses of diflucan. Hoping it helps. I'm afraid to have sex cause, even though I used an over the counter vaginal med, I still feel symptoms that way. Sorry to be personal, but anyone have experience that way? Yeast infection on my end would spread it to my husband. (And it's been a long time....not that I care that much right now).

I've been very careful food wise. The last few days I thought I was sick. I had some chocolate almond milk - hadn't been an issue before, but that day I had shudderings of these weird chill type feelings which weren't true chills, just really sick feelings. Went to the bathroom a lot after the probiotics and that was the day it all hit me. Was better yesterday. I feel myself craving sugary stuff but know its not worth it. (And now picture the yeast wanting it : )

If you used really really low dosages of the ALA - even though I couldn't do it while working... Why does chelating feed yeast? The mercury obviously, right? Would algin mopping it up help?

[quote=freeballin]You're completely ignorant jammes to think you can safely take meds to "calm you down". There are numerous forums with more active members than the mercury crowd who have all suffered due to psych meds, specifically ones that "calm you down". Do you know much damage to your body those drugs can do? Go check out forums like benzoisland.com, benzowithdrawal.com etc to find the truth of what they can do. Even over a short period of time they can do significant damage, you think mercury toxicity is bad wait till you experience benzo withdrawal. I was on them for 1 year and 4 years later my CNS is still recovering. I would rather be dead then go through that again, and that's an understatement. It basically has similar symptoms to mercury toxicity anyway, if not more. So in retrospect you can't offer a valid opinion on this topic so refrain from doing so.

Sorry but I really hate people who go all out with the body toxicity propaganda and then think that psych medication is something you can use without harm. I've chatted to another guy that had his mercury fillings removed(he's planning to write a book), tells me he has healed a lot since removal but has some lingering symptoms and he thinks pesticides are causing them. Then he mentions to me he took benzos during chelation, mentioning symptoms he has that match benzo withdrawal. I just dont get the logic you want to recovery from one health problem but in the same process create another one? potentialy more severe than your current one? If you are going to take a powerful mind altering drug at least do your research on it and by research I dont mean reading up the drug manufacturers website.

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You guys - sheesh - quit being so argumentative. You can discuss this without caling each other ignorant, etc. Personally I use drugs in moderation when I need them. I sure don't promote them, but sometimes the benefits outweigh what extreme stress can do to you physically, mentally and emotionally. Sometimes you just do what you need to do. The goal is not to use them as a crutch or replace natural methods and work towards actually healing and not use them for band-aid treatment. Sometimes in the interim, though.... I would agree more with what Jammes is saying.

Sorry if I'm being redundant. Hadn't read what all was posted before writing this (which I now have) and, yes, I do have to be stricter... Sometimes I need to learn things the hard way for myself.

Birdlady, have you tried things for your immune system like astragalus or moducare which uses high levels of plant sterinols? I use astragalus cause its recommended for O types and since I have autoimmune markers. I wonder if supporting the immune system can help with neutropenia issues. Anyone know anything about that? Oh - just caught on the changing ads above the screen if you look up. There was one on Nature Sunshine immune stimiluator. Read up on that one on this site.

Jeanie a TSH of 0.01 would mean my thyroid is hyperactive. It is reverse with the TSH. Now it could also mean that my pituitary has finally stopped working. Might be more logical to me. The TSH is actually a pituitary hormone.

I had my other doctor (not the PCP) send me a new blood work paper with FT3, FT4, TSH and all of the thyroid antibodies to get a clearer picture.

I'm pretty frustrated at the moment. The stupid PCP wanted me to irradiate my thyroid to see whats wrong... Meanwhile my T4 was NORMAL. If I were truly hyperthyroid then my T4 should have been through the roof. Thank goodness my other natural doctor agreed that it may simply be a lab error. 2 months ago I had my TSH checked and it was 1.077 I'm going to go to a completely different hospital to get this done. Just to rule out any problems. Better to be safe.

If it still comes back crazy hyper, then I'll be getting a ultrasound to see what is going on. My God I hope it isn't a tumor or something. I refuse to get the radioactive iodine uptake test. The funny thing is, is that I don't have any hyper symptoms. From what I have read, if you have a hyper thyroid you feel very jittery, nervous and hot. My basal temps have been falling ever since discontinuing the iodine last month! Daytime temperatures aren't even hitting 98 degrees now.

I have not taken any autoimmune stuff. You know speaking of autoimmune problems, my hair is really doing well. The one spot is almost completely filled in with hair! There is still a lot more to go on the large spot on my left side. However it's looking so much better now. I need to take a new picture of it.

I'm well aware of that Birdlady. I guess I left out a lot of detail. I was hyper before mine crashed. Actually my results never made sense cause, till the last few years, I was showing both. My TSH was suppressed at first. Then my T4 finally started showing up low AND TSH was low - about the same as yours - so they still treated me. Since I had had autoimmune markers they decided it was Hashimotos and that my hot nodules were causing the hyper part. One guy wanted to irradiate me. For a few years I kept putting the Docs off telling them I'd handle it naturally. I found a glandular and took Kelp and it did work! Got the results into normal ranges till a pregnancy put me over the edge. Or the thyroid was off already which CAUSED the miscarriage. I wasn't tested regularly at that point till I asked them to test it when I felt so crappy and had been gaining weight for no apparent reason. That can also cause hair loss, BTW. Luckily I have lots to spare. (Have very thick hair). Can't keep nails, though, and use lots of lotion cause I feel dry if I don't. Its pretty under control most of the time with the Armour. Originally they did an ultrasound and other tests I can't remember, but I'd have to go off thyroid meds to test again and don't care to do that.

I've had tests done on my pituitary tested and it came back ok. I have a good endocrinologist, too. I was taking glandulars for that for a while, but wasn't sure if I should continue after a while, so I had people at The Herb Shop muscle test me and I didn't (apparently) need it at that point, at least. I screwed myself up when I used adrenal glandulars on my own when I read that you need those along with thyroid treatment. I probably took them too long. Hard to know what you're doing when you're shooting in the dark. We didn't have an endocrinologist in AK and it took a while to find a good one here. Haven't been able to afford anyone insurance didn't cover so had to go with the ignorant Doctors. I honestly felt like I was teaching them stuff half the time. And not all believed me about mercury. Or thought they would find it with blood tests. They don't like people who are informed, either. Not claiming to always know what I'm doing, though. I used to be an avid reader and health nut but didn't use to work. Sometimes, too, a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing : )

I'm happy for you your hair is coming back. You must be doing something right! Its a slow process.

Sorry Jeanie, I misunderstood your post. I always thought I was a little hypo, which made a lot of sense. I have (or had) hypo symptoms. Nothing severe, but Dr. Goldstein told me if I ever wanted to try out Armour he would have no problems prescribing it for me. At least I have a source for bio identical hormones!

I did look into it a little more today and a hyperthyroid may cause itching skin. Specifically Graves Disease. That certainly has me wondering now! The itching is unbearable (now going on about 6 weeks!), so I had been taking Zyrtec for a few days. It must have helped because these past 2 days where I didn't take it, I have been very itchy. When I scratch, then I break out in a hive type rash. I can't even wear a bra (TMI) at the moment because just the pressure on the skin is making me break out in hives once my skin is on high alert. I've been really bumming it recently.

The most annoying thing out of it all is that I don't have a PCP that I trust. I don't even have a gynecologist I trust to talk to about a large lymph node in my groin. I feel really helpless at the moment. The only good PCPs have 2-3 month waits!

I didn't mean to hijack this thread. I am just frustrated with life right now. haha

Birdlady, I thought my thyroid was being hypo as I have a low oral temp (usually 97) so I tried a Raw Thyroid glandular and it made a world of difference. I feel warmer, more focused, stronger, more awake, energetic without being overly hyper, and I could go on. I wasn't expecting it to help so much but pleasantly surprised! The supplement is made from bovine thyroid from New Zealand grassfed cows never given any hormones or antibiotics. I've been taking about ~2 capsules split up throughout the day.

Here is the one I am using
http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=6009&at=0

Thanks I need to look at that stuff and try some ^^^^^.

Thank you. I'll bookmark that for future reference. I haven't been taking anything right now just in case I actually do have a hyperthyroid. Certainly don't want to make it go anymore crazy than it supposedly is now. haha!

I think I have started a new trend. The new weight loss fad is simply by having a hyperthyroid!

"Lose 12 pounds in 2 weeks! NO DIETING REQUIRED"

Birdlady that is why I waited so long to supplement as well. The only hypo symptoms I have are body temp and muscle cramps/tension...but my body temp needed addressed as my room here is literally 40 degreesF. Where I sleep is 40F as well...which is as cold as it gets luckily.

I tried adrenal glandulars and they made my muscles feel so sore so it left me with one option...try a thyroid supplement. It seems to have even stabilized my hyperthyroid symptoms such as anxiety. I'm not so sure my anxiety was connected to they thyroid anymore.

If you take a thyroid glandular and you are hyper you will get palpitations and will be able to feel it...and it will go away in probably a few hours but you will know not to take that much again. There is also an herb called Coleus forskohlii that can help the thyroid as well...haven't tried that yet.

Exactly bex. I am now dealing with the aftermath of chelation. First I have to tell you that even afetr that1.5 days i do feel a CHANGE in my biochemistry. most definetely mercury being moved. the change sort of looks like its going toward where it wasin the past. i cant describe it better. YET my brain is WORSE, probably due to yeast (few words on that in a moment) to some extent. I really feel mroe demented, though partially it feels IN A WAY more smilair to two years ago. James - That's why I believe there has to be something more in the brain, like an ifnection that is from mercury-screwed immunity. Like two different levels:
1)the screwed up biochemical/immunity level
that leads to...

2)brain/other organs (arthtritism...)

If it was just mercury in the brain, then chelation at least would NOT worsen it or just temporarily.

And now the yeast: day after finishing chelation my whole abdomen was rigid and distended. esp the right side of my colon would be painful to touch - WHEREVER I touched it was painful, the skin red or rashy upon touching, and i know where's pain there's candida. There wasnt that much pain on the right side of my colon before chelation, ergo candida guys. Especially that after trying to adress it with probiotics in enema and stuff it would get even more painful. And the gut toxins/issues were just killing my brain those last days. I woke up saturday/sunday nigt now knowing where or when i am (what year is it, thought i was 15 or sthg) and my whole brain was catatonic like. esp my left brain - where im most screwed up - the PRESSURE was so huge on my skull that i even felt it in my ear - the sort of feeling like when water gets into your ear after bathing. All I can think of is just swollen brain pushing against my skull. Esp since i just cant use the left brain, cant go thru facts, trouble unerstanding the language.

Only now have i decided to write ths up, cause now im just a tad better yet still worse. The gut settled, its not that much distened and rigid anymore, but didnt get much candida out if any AT ALL. still pain when touching.



bex I already am taking some psyllium supplement with probiotics and fruktooligoscharides and it does help a bit, yet it didnt seem to help enough still during the chelation. Think probiotics are great to control yeast when actually u DO have a lot of territory for the good bacteria in the first place. But when most of it just covered with candida ull just get nasty die off, and there's possibility it will be releasing somehow some mercury into the bloodstream and I dont think its a good idea with ALA.

If that wasnt enough my folks yet AGAIN told me they STOPPED believing me and arrogantly told me "its all in your head" and "you can eat everything" - and mum implied she knows there is stuff from my DONT EAT list that is in the foods she prepares and since I eat it means I CAN EAT NORMAL STUFF. Yet she mockes when I exclaim "and ure surprised I keep fighting yeast."

sorry had to get it out. this is all f* unbelievable.