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I'm back and more toxic than ever #47098
02/01/09 06:46 PM
02/01/09 06:46 PM
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megamathblaster  Offline OP
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So I went and got my fillings removed by a regular dentist cause I was impatient. I should have flown my @$$ straight to hal huggins. I am extremely mercury toxic and will probably die like this. I don't know what to do I have tried virtually everything. Let this be a warning to you folks rushing to get your fillings removed. Please take the time to find a great dentist who follows a safe protocol. Please pray for me that I somehow magically get better but I doubt it ehhe.

Re: I'm back and more toxic than ever [Re: megamathblaster] #47099
02/01/09 06:58 PM
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Bex  Offline
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Sh*t, I am so sorry to hear of this. This sounds like what happened to Jinx. I have heard this before also how very risky it can be to get them removed without proper protection due to the massive/acute exposure of mercury vapor.

I have been acutely poisoned myself, not just from this, but also from antifungal use (which can kill yeast cells by splitting them open and releasing any possible contained mercury).

The two things that helped me was my diet and chelating this out. It was the only way to get me through this. I took small doses of DMSA every 4 hours. I had no other way of improving at that time. This probably saved me I believe. The regular intake of DMSA began to even things out more and remove the mercury at the sametime.

If you have not tried this, please if you can, do it. I'll pray for you also.

Thanks for coming on here and warning other people about the dangers of this. Can you outline the symptoms you are suffering? I know some of them are almost indescribeable and so bizzare, that there almost isn't words for them.

Re: I'm back and more toxic than ever [Re: Bex] #47100
02/01/09 07:26 PM
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Try using some detox teas. The Yogi and Triple Leaf brand ones are pretty good. You could also try taking licorice root, milk thistle, alfalfa, and dandelion. Also take plenty of vitamin c, b vitamins, and some selenium and molybdenum. How many amalgam fillings did you have? I had 25 of them!

Re: I'm back and more toxic than ever [Re: Bex] #47101
02/01/09 07:36 PM
02/01/09 07:36 PM
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I'm very sorry to hear about this mmb.

I have spoken with a lot of people who have become sick after having their amalgams removed without proper protection.

There is hope. I would definitely be using algin faithfully and avoid all mercury chelators. I would also stay on a low-sulfur diet. Also, vitamin E and C daily for protection.

What I would do is buy one of this $100 personal infrared saunas. Sweating is probably the best way to deal with this kind of intensity. But I would start with short sessions only once a day and build up from there.

Please keep us posted and try and be consistent with getting this stuff out even if you feel horrible. It's difficult but possible.


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Re: I'm back and more toxic than ever [Re: Russ] #47103
02/01/09 07:48 PM
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Russ, I'm curious why you have suggested avoiding all chelators? Since using DMSA (the right way) actually helped me after an acute exposure to mercury. It pretty much began to reverse the reaction and the toxicity. Without it, I hate to imagine.

Re: I'm back and more toxic than ever [Re: Bex] #47104
02/01/09 07:52 PM
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I think DMSA or DMPS would be helpful as well if they were used following the frequent low dose chelating protocol.

Re: I'm back and more toxic than ever [Re: gdawson6] #47107
02/01/09 08:05 PM
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Well, it might.

I worry that when someone is in a very fragile condition and feeling so horrible, that mobilizing mercury right away could make them feel much worse and then cause them to lose hope.

In the long run, I would definitely advocate chelating, it's just that K is in a low place and I don't know if mobilizing more mercury is a good idea now. Staying encouraged is important during the horrid symptoms that mercury induces.

I have seen some people, although a minority, experience an immediate benefit (feeling better) from chelating, so K could give it try, but if they begin feeling worse, it could cause a loss of more hope.

If they have the discipline to continue, I'm sure it will help in the long run, but I would tend to be more conservative in the short run in an extreme condition as this and try sweating first.

Hope this makes sense.


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Re: I'm back and more toxic than ever [Re: Russ] #47110
02/01/09 08:33 PM
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Yes it does make sense Russ. But the protocol I'm speaking about actually cuts down on the mobilisation that other protocols can cause. In fact, it can even correct such reactions created by a bad protocol or too much mobilisation from something else. I have had that experience!

I remember I did something wrong and mobilised too much mercury and I had no way of correcting the reaction, except to hope that time and patience would eventually help me. However, when I tried Cutler's protocol (every 4 hour routine), the reaction died down.

That is why I am wondering if mega might find this of help to him. Your suggestions are really good and maybe that might be a gentler method for him at this time, particularly if his kidneys are under a great deal of stress from what's taken place....but I do think this protocol might be of help to him, at least further down the road if/when he's ready to try it.

Re: I'm back and more toxic than ever [Re: Bex] #47114
02/02/09 12:07 AM
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megamathblaster  Offline OP
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I'm gonna try out some algin and see how I respond. Thanks for the quick replies BTW =)

Re: I'm back and more toxic than ever [Re: megamathblaster] #47116
02/02/09 01:17 AM
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No problem Mega. Do let us know how the algin works out. Also, if you're not already, make sure you're getting plenty of antioxidants/minerals like vitamin C, E and selenium, zinc and magnesium etc. This may also help.

Good quality ones are much better, much more effective. A good vitamin C powder with bioflavanoids helped me a lot when I was mercury toxic.

Sweating can help too as Russ pointed out. If you can't afford a sauna, or to get to one - hot baths might work well and exercise (though don't over do either). I used to add epsom salts or baking soda and sea salt to a hot bath and that increased sweating and the release of toxins from my skin.

Walking on a treadmill also helped. Rebounding on a mini trampoline might also prove beneficial.

There are ways to help increase detox. However, without the diet in place, I was unable to release toxins properly. So that is also very important.

Re: I'm back and more toxic than ever [Re: megamathblaster] #47119
02/02/09 05:17 AM
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I would see nothing wrong with chelating at very low doses. DMSA has saved me many times. I would wake up feeling absolutely horrible, and within a couple of doses start feeling better. Frequent low dose chelation is the only safe way out of this, along with antioxidant supplementation. Saunas or sweat baths are also excellent advice while you are waiting for DMSA to arrive. When I was very toxic, these would clear my head and I would feel almost normal for a while. Go ahead and chelate. At least you know you are getting the mercury out for sure.

Best

Nicola

Re: I'm back and more toxic than ever [Re: imgeha] #47123
02/02/09 10:29 AM
02/02/09 10:29 AM
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Jose  Offline
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Unfortunately one of the things this forum do is to let many people post about different options about chelation. I bet there was not a clear path for Megamathblaster to follow.
I too made the greatest mistake of my life by removing my dental amalgam without protection, what follow after that was a really nightmare.
My advice to you is this: FOLLOW THE CUTLER PROTOCOL to the letter.
Stop listening for advice from people that sometimes they don't know what they are taking about.

Follow this guidelines:

1- Join the Yahoo chelation group
2 - Take massive dose of Vit C ASAP
3- Dont take any chelator until you have a clear path of the Cutler protocol
4- Make sure ( this is very important) you dont have any amalgam left , because this it will make feel even worse.
5- Take care of your adrenal and thyroid first.
6- Don't play with any other protocol because it might do more damage to you.


Yes, there is light at the end of the tunnel I too made all sort of mistake at the beginning.

Take Care,

Jose

Re: I'm back and more toxic than ever [Re: Jose] #47126
02/02/09 04:10 PM
02/02/09 04:10 PM
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Hi Jose,

There are forums out there for just Cutler's protocol and then there are open forums that allow people to discuss anything in regards to amalgam/toxicity. I see your point, but remember that Cutler's protocol was not overly well known once and though it's becoming moreso, people still wish to have a place where they can freely discuss options/anything.

I too had amalgam removal done at first without protection. Goodness knows how I got away with it (or did I? I sometimes wonder). AT the time I seemed to. However, even though the last few were done WITH protection, I swallowed the grains of amalgam after the dentist removed the rubber damn and the assistant had failed to suck the removed amalgam out. I swallowed it. So yes, after that? I was extremely poisoned, very ill and that pretty much did it.

At any rate, it's a very long story. All my trials of trying this and trying that really didn't get me too far and once the mercury started to dump, I was REALLY in trouble. Every attempt at detox/chelation would produce intolerable symptoms and so bad, I'd almost go pyscho. Very close to being committed a number of times.

I finally stumbled on Cutler's protocol and that pretty much saved me I think. That's where I could detox my mercury and have my symptoms remain more stable, more sane. Not only that, it was more effective, so the mercury was actually coming out, more than just being moved around. No I didn't feel particularly good whilst doing it, I did feel quite ill, but that's because I was very toxic. However, I had no psycho symptoms! I was able to do this and start getting well.

I did not take care of thyroid and adrenals at that time - I needed to chelate and that's exactly what I did and that's exactly what started getting me well. Though some people may well need to take glandular support before chelating, so they are stronger to handle it. And supplements helped too. Mainly vitamin C powder with bioflavanoids, vitamin E and selenium and zinc. They were the main ones, but I'd recommend a person take more than this and do what Cutler prescribes.

Diet is also important. Treating candida, at least with diet, to my mind can be essential. Both for gut and liver, reducing yeast, supporting the immune system, supporting detox/chelation and handling mercury better by being stronger. Also, less strain on the glands. Candida itself can cause many problems too, alongside the mercury and there is no reason NOT to treat it, when diet alone can be of great help/support. Ridding mercury maybe the cure, but it is normally not easy to achieve, not quick to achieve and isn't so easily done in isolation.

Other supportive factors need to come into play. It is not easy to eliminate toxins either if a person is battling candida.

So yes, to be honest, I cannot really recommend anything else other than Cutler's protocol. I was years at it and wasted so much time, caused so much needless suffering and slowed down my healing becuase of messing around before I finally realised his was really the only one that was safer and worked.

Cheers




Re: I'm back and more toxic than ever [Re: Bex] #47127
02/02/09 05:26 PM
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Unsafe removal was also my biggest life mistake. megamathblaster, I hope u the best, and if u can start doing the Cutler's protocole asap along with vitamins.

Re: I'm back and more toxic than ever [Re: jinx1983] #47134
02/02/09 10:11 PM
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Jose  Offline
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Thank you for the replay Bex.
I have been following this forum plus the yahoo" frequent dose chelation group" which I am a member since June 2005.
Usually I don't post anymore since I feel much better, and I know all the trial you have been trough. Many times for my own well been I get away from this forum because it's heart breaking a depressing.

This goes to megamathblaster:
I know how you feel right now, trust me in this.
Take my advice.
Dont do chelation now.
Go to see dentist again to have x-ray done in your mouth to see if there is any remain of amalgam hidden.
Take lot of Vit C
Buy the Andrew Cutler book.
Then when you know there is no more amalgam start chelation very low dose ( the Cutler book will guide you about his protocol )

Take care,

There is light at the end of the tunnel.


Jose

Re: I'm back and more toxic than ever [Re: Jose] #47135
02/03/09 01:14 AM
02/03/09 01:14 AM
Bex  Offline
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Hi Jose,

Yes, I can understand your feelings. I manage as best I can. I had been recovering years ago from mercury and doing well. Things occured later following severe viral infection etc, which has changed everything for me. So it goes much further than mercury for me and things got much worse after the virus and other dental work (wisdom tooth removal). Mercury didn't even do all that to me. Bad as it was, it was detoxable! This has not been the same.

Everybody's situation is different and sometimes it's not all mercury and there are sometimes stubborn cases that are rather heartbreaking yes. But again, somehow people keep going and keep trying. I've seen a number of people on here who have improved and they are no longer here. So it's not all bad news by any means. You do get some more difficult cases though.

I like your advice though and I'm very glad to hear you're doing better smile

Re: I'm back and more toxic than ever [Re: Bex] #47137
02/03/09 02:22 AM
02/03/09 02:22 AM
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I heard someone mention kidney pain (or stress). I recently had been having a great deal of kidney pain for weeks (chemtrail induced mercury) and then decided to try a kidney-activation supplement (Kidney Activator) and the pain has not been back since.

I take 2 capsules every other day.

Hopefully this helps someone.


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Re: I'm back and more toxic than ever [Re: Russ] #47193
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MMB, I suggest starting with low frequent dose DMPS chelation and following the cutler protocol.


Jammes Recommends: Try Cutler Chelation.

if you are hg toxic try DMSA. If that doesn't do it try ALA. If that still doesn't do it you are not toxic or there is a hidden source of exposure.

moderate poisoning: 50 Rounds ALA
severe poisoning: 80-150 Rounds ALA

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