News you won't see in controlled mainstream media.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/17656

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/19674

These are some seriously troubling posts made by Jinx back in May 2007. If you browse this site you will find some more. It would seem Since starting ALA chelation, both he and i have declined horribly . Jinx said when he was young he ate some mercury from a thermometer( he also had amalgams). I am poisoned from Nasal spray decongestant.

So ALA chelation seems to help those poisoned by metallic/ethyl mercury, but possibly just concentrates/moves mercury into the brain of those poisoned by other types of mercury.

I guess what im trying to say is Cutlers protocol isnt 100% rock solid, no questions asked kinda thing. So if your taking ALA and experiencing unpleasantness/regression over a few month period it may be time to consider if is actually helping you, or hurting you.

Ok thats all cya

CHELATION is not for everyone and it's not that great IMO, some do well on it but like Chlorella some do awful and it messes them up worse, this is further proof of that just RIGHT THERE. His protocol is not 100% like some make you to believe in here and other things make others worse while others do well, it's that simple. I am not going to do it, sorry I just can't afford to get worse for years now and will pass on Chelation. Chelation destroys giftedness IMO sometimes like I read before, period.

Could you give us some details on how ALA made you worse? I do believe you, I am just curious to how long you used it. I'm assuming you have no amalgam fillings.

As for Jinx, in his posts, it was clear to me that the main reason he got worse was getting his fillings drilled out without protection...you breath in a lot of vapor in a situation like that. He did mention trying ALA out of desperation but I don't think he waited long enough after removal. There are always many factors that lead to someones decline, and anytime someone is that poisoned anything can seem to push them over the edge. I don't think you can blame chelation in Jinx's case.

Hi Sam,

I must correct you here and hope you won't take offense. Jinx has NOT declined horribly since starting ALA. Jinx has been declining horribly ever since his unprotected amalgam removal. I have been on here 3 years and kept up with Jinx's posts all the time.

I have also viewed the links you gave to Jinx's posts which also do not mention his symptoms or decline having anything to do with Andy Cutler's protocol/chelation.

It started as Gdawson said, with unprotected amalgam removal, exposing Jinx to an incredible amount of mercury vapor, which he has admitted never recovering from. Since this time, he has felt there has been MARKED deterioration. He has struggled for a very long time with horrible brain symptoms. This is well and truly long before he even started trying Cutler's protocol. He's tried alot of things and has often wound up with very bad reactions, even to things that might not affect other people.

Cutler's protocol has not appeared to have been part of this. Aside from the fact the ALA appears to flare up yeast in Jinx, as it does in me. Jinx is in fact now doing more regular ALA and has admitted that he feels in some areas it maybe helping, though he still unfortunately exhibits the same horrible symptoms. We all hope that in time they may begin to reduce. Certainly if ALA was causing marked deterioration, Jinx would have ousted it long ago as he did other things that made him MUCH worse. Yet he continues to keep chelating with it.

If anything, we have had quite a number of positive feedback reports on Cutler's protocol. I have posted testimonies on here more than once and we've had two such people recently (Linda Lou being one) keeping us up to date with their chelation progress/symptoms. SunshineP is one such member who is now feeling well, but still chelating with Cutler's protocol, which has been a big part of his healing. As well as other efforts with diet, cleanses etc.

I'm sorry if you feel ALA has made you worse. But taken at the right time, in the right way, it does not concentrate mercury INTO the brain, but begins to remove it FROM the brain. Again it must be used according to Cutler's instructions in order to gain the results Cutler speaks about and avoid the black lash that Cutler warns about. This means never using it with amalgams in place. Never taking it after a recent mercury exposure, or recent amalgam removal. Only using it after blood/tissue levels have been reduced (3 months or MORE post amalgam removal, but never before this time). And starting on very low doses, every 3 hours around the clock (even during the night) for a few days on and then a few days off as a break.

If one has not done this and/or is using other products alongside it that redistribute/mobilise mercury wildly, then they made need to re-evaluate the reason for their decline.

One must also take into other issues too that can cause worsening of symptoms. Chelating when one may still have a source of hidden amalgam. Or the typical deline in symptoms that occur after a time post amalgam removal. E.g. 6 months after, or for some earlier or later. I got MUCH worse a year and a half following amalgam removal. Yet I had not yet even used Cutler's protocol. I declined because stored mercury was beginning to leak back out and when this happens, it is like being repoisoned. I was blaming anything and everything at that time because I did not understand what was happening.

however, it is entirely possible that you may not have reacted well to his protocol, but just wanted to point out these things in case.

PS, I have used ALA in the wrong way before. Either too soon after a recent exposure to mercury. Or I used it randomly in a supplement and did not take it in frequent dose style. Both times produced awful symptoms. So I could hardly blame Cutler when I look back and realise what the problem was.

Don't blame chelation. Chelation is important, however one must take plenty of mineral supplements during the process, as those who are mercury toxic are typically deficient in essential minerals, and chelation makes this situation worse. While whelating, one must be sure to get enough sodium, potassium, magnesium and calcium. Zinc is lost while chelating, however there is some concern that zinc might impede chelation, so zinc supplementation is probably best done between chelation rounds. Chelation might also be impeded by selenium, so I only take selenium supplements between chelation rounds.

It is important to focus on detoxification while chelating. One should take supplements that promote detoxification. Herbs such as licorice root, cayenne, turmeric, ginger, dandelion, milk thistle, red clover, burdock, and garlic.

sam if u bother to read my posts carefully and my emails to u as well u'd see that i never said i attribut my decline to ala, as bex says, but since amlgam removal 2 years ago an DEBLITATING IMMUNE-RELATED DEGENRATIVE RPOCESS WASPUT IN MOTION AND LIKE A WILD TRAIN HAS BEEN SPEEDING UP-this is DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR MY DECLINE.

and i clearly menioned brain infetcion. i still stick to it, i can even say i am mroe sure of that then abck then.

My mainproblems are not healed leaky gut, candida and brain fnetcions due to emrcury posioning.

this is what i believe happened:

i had candida from mercury as a child and leaky gut, went debliatted with candida elardy to ahve remobal got posioned, my bdy -cause of candia -coudnt handle it, it all gone to tissues got SEVERLY POISONED , THEN IT SHUT DOWN MY BIOCHEMISTRY COMPLETELY, AND WITH ALERADY - PREXISTING LEAKY GUT i got a brain infetcion form the gut (mercury messes up gut immuntiy, which was alerayd compromised).

its a degeenrative rpcoess thatw as started by emrcury and i was simply going downhill. no matetr what i tried, downhill,so when i sued ala it might ahve sene i got wose from it wherein fact i was on a dwonhill path still.

it is ONLY NOW AFTER 13 RTOUNDS OF ALA that i am starting to see some changes in how i feel and biochemistry. in some part i feel like before posioning now, but i am still veryd ebiliatted: BRAIN IFNECTIONS ANAD DEMETIA,PLUS THOSE TWO EYARS OF MERCURY POSIONING MY GUT IMMUNTIY HAS CRSAHED COMPLETEY. so now i suffer from severeleaky gut, which has the last two months debliated me even furtherleving me with severe aging and organ atrophy (u figure which:/)

i am not seeing changes from alain this area yet because i believ was so poisoned to begin with and i staretdreally chelating ony a coupeof months ago, when the gut and immunity degradation had alerady been advanced. YET i am seeing changed from ala, slowly feeling like before in some areas, i belive I just have to do more of ittofinally get my biochem working enough to healmy gut and get my immunuty working.

yes i am also afraid of ala redistrubitong sometimes, as it causes some eraction in my brain but i alerady wrote to u that i attrubut that to high eyats leves, when those are low i toelrate ala better.

yes i do watch out for ala as it corsses the bbb, but dont have the luxury to use dmsa/dmps nor boyds chelator, so the beneits outweigh the negative aspects.

it is very easy to blame the bystander when he was just present at the crime scene.

take care sam, and as is aid take this stuff out of u asap.

Ok. Sorry if i misinterpreted your posts. Just that i am in the same state and felt your pain/wanted to warn other people to be careful when gambling with the brain/ALA.

ok cya

sure, ok sam,

can u tell us about your symptoms?

I agree. ALA causes deep depression in me during a session. After a session, I don't notice any positive effects. Coversely, during a DMSA session I feel okay. Afterward, I feel great. Cilantro? Same thing. If I'm not heavily bodily poisoned such as after a DMSA session, I can drink 1 cup of cilantro tea every day and I'm ahead of the game. DMSA and Cilantro afterward eleviate the pressure in my head. Cutler claims they don't remove mercury from the brain. Who said it has to? I believe that all that is necessary is chelation of the body, then when the body is clear (whether temporarily or permanantly) the brain mercury is automatically dumped into the body. Therefore, all that is needed is body chelation and no blood-brain chelation medicine.

If ALA should be used at all, it should be used AFTER body mercury is very low. And of course, Cutler knows this.

Supplementation should be avoided other than iodine, salt, sodium bicarbonate. Food is supplementation. Garlic (and citric acid) will kill all the friendly bacteria, making the symptoms worse. Dead good bacteria will result in psychological problems since the bowels have to do with psychological mental health.

You're theories are pretty much correct. You need to read Breaking a Vicious Cycle which I linked to. It's extremely interesting and can't emphasis it enough. I have leaky gut too, and it wasn't until I read this book that it finally made sense. Then you throw mercury into the mix, it makes more sence. A few months ago, I went on an un-researched candida diet. Because it not only starved candida but ME as well, I went from 135 pounds to 120. I wasn't able to absorb nutrients well even at 135, that's why I'm so skinny. But after the diet, I couldn't go back up to 135. The max I could achieve was 125(!).

Eventually I ran into an account of a guy who was doing ALA chelation 100mg every 3 hours culter style for 7 on 7 off. That's when I first ran into the SC diet which actually has research and results behind it. After 6 months, the guy was mercury free and his leaky gut (and other bowel problems) cleared. He regained his weight and could go back on 2-sugar carbohydrates. Here's the testimonial. It confirms a lot of what you say.

Testemonial:
http://www.newtreatments.org/doc.php/WisdomExperience/208

SC diet in a nutshell:
http://www.scdiet.org/1about/scdwhatis.html

Breaking the Vicious Cycle:
http://rapidshare.com/files/215373315/Breaking_the_Vicious_Cycle_10th_ed_by_Elaine_Gottschall.rar

I agree on supplemention, maybe Minerals in good amounts are fine but people using high supplements seem to not do well for long (It's a bandaid) and even decline over time and then wonder whats wrong or why they are imbalanced. I do not like high doses of supplements long term and never did, as you said FOOD is your supplementation.

People can use things like Molasses for Minerals or Alfalfa etc., that would be alot better than just using straight up high doeses of things long term which can deplete your body more of minerals and in essence cause a problem.

I can understand where he's coming from. He has malabsorbtion problems, so he supplements. But I still advice against it strongly. Supplementating with other than what I mentioned does not address the cause of malabsorbtion. We need to stop dealing with symptoms and get to the root. Mercury is only part of the root.

I don't entirely agree with this. For starters, sodium bicarbonate can cause excessive sodium and depletion of other minerals. A lady who runs a candida website had this happen to her and had to quit taking it because of continual cramping/pains.

Vitamin C with bioflavanoids (quality powder) was a MASSIVE help to me when mercury toxic. Just that, and selenium increased my antioxidant powers to a much higher level and made for some significant progress. I actually started to excrete mercury via the skin dramatically. Though admittedly a prior DMPS IV had pushed mercury into those areas, the added antioxidants increased my ability to excrete. Even though I ate plenty of fruit and vegetables etc, the extra supplementation was exactly what I needed.

You must take into account not only do poisons like this severely deplete antioxidants and other nutrients, but we are consuming a degraded food supply from early picking and spraying. We most certainly are not getting exactly what we require.

Your comments on garlic? Hmmmm you may have a point. I have NO doubt it does DEFINITELY mobilise metals in the body, and perhaps does cause an excretion of some, I consistently have gut problems after it. Not the kind from "die off". This maybe due to the acidity regulator contained in the crushed garlic I get, but something aint right with my gut after I consume it. Each and everytime I have had to quit taking it. I don't get this with onions, but I do with garlic. It doesn't appear at least for me to help me progress in respect to candida.

So I am wary of it now.

You can actually get depression from mercury elsewhere in the body. It does not have to = brain mercury. I don't know if I believe the theory that if the body is detoxed, the brain will automatically start dumping mercury.....

How I wish that were so and I'm sure others do too. I have heard of a few people now that got to a point with their mercury detox and could not improve any further. Come to find out, though they had detoxed their body regions, their brain still must have contained significant mercury. ALA was the ticket for such people.

I detoxed a lot of my body areas, but I believe because I did not chelate the organs/brain, that the mercury remaining was an accident waiting to happen. Brain mercury is very bad because it's the control center. Immune problems, yeast issues, hormones etc, can all be related to brain mercury. mercury can certain cross OVER the bloodbrain barrier, but it does not tend to come back out.

Cutler does not believe the brain detoxes by itself. perhaps a certain amount over a lifetime would come out, but is anybody willing to wait that long for a bit of mercury to come out? Certainly chelation appears to be required for those with significant brain mercury. Those who do not have this, may find themselves cured simply by detoxing their body mercury.

It does depend where the mercury is. Cutler does not believe that DMSA chelates organ mercury significantly. But is more of a chelator of extra-cellular mercury and is great to use early on in the programme. Some may need to use it for longer, as I was still getting symptoms from DMSA for AGES, so I never really got onto ALA...perhaps I waited too long?

Problem is, once my system was severely compromised by a virus and later dental work (extraction), my body no longer responded to detox/chelation the same way. Prior to that, i was still having powerful reactions to detox and improving by the year. So certainly, remaining mercury, even if one "feels" better, can still be a ticking time bomb.

Hi guys I haven't been here in awhile but I'm back and it's interesting this is the 1st thread I picked. I'm back because I'm sick again, and I remember the only thing that gave me any relief: DMSA.

Mental, physical, everything, the rounds of DMSA helped me tremendously. I didn't want to go to ALA land for fear of what might happen if I screwed it up.

I didn't keep the rounds up and here I am, dementia, memory loss, burning all over, heart problems are back.

DMSA time.

Hi Ziggen, sorry to hear this. But not surprised. Quitting chelation too early usually leads to the return of symptoms. My problem was that once I felt better, I didn't bother to continue chelating regularly, even though it was obvious I was still toxic (by symptoms each time I did chelate). I wallowed in the improvement and left the remaining mercury to catch me later on at a vulnerable moment which brought disasterous results.

I really do believe that chelation is essential, particularly before something else may come onboard that may thwart/hinder response to detox/chelation.

DMSA taken Cutler style removed mercury very well from me, but I did not do nearly enough of it. I failed to keep it up and I failed to chelate organ mercury as well. I left most of it behind to act as a time bomb.

Yeah I know, you keep repeating yourself regarding the virus. I've done a search on this forum and ran into your story several times. You really seem to be living your life in the past as you're quite attached to the story and perhaps even the drama that goes along with it. I think you need to step out of the box because from my perspective you are frozen in time, as in you're not really open for a cure. Telling yourself and others, "I have a virus," or, "I have a yeast infection" while I am sitting here telling you that I think I've got it all linked together is quite annoying for me.

This forums approach to illness and mercury poisoning is analogous to a neanderthal dragging behind a club. It's all about the cutler protocol and mercury, and you people can't see past it. It's stagnant! It is obvious your approaches aren't working, as Bex and Russ are worse than ever! I could almost be sad, but who could be sad for a person neck-high in water crying out in thirst? If you can't help yourself, who can help you?

The repetition is regrettable and often annoying I know. But believe me, I've had quite a bit of repetitious enquiries too, and often by those I've already explained it to before. I repeat it because outlining my situation clears up the "Why haven't you improved from amalgam removal and detox" questions, particularly by those who may wonder if it's worth bothering with their amalgam removal. I say "yes it is" and don't be put off. I see no reason why I ought to change the story, omit it, or say something else because "Cleft_asunder" is getting tired of hearing it. No, it is not done for drama, attention or me "living in the past". I'm sorry you have gained that impression.

Perhaps instead of repeating the senario, I could just post a link to one of my many many posts about the subject! Would certainly save me the bother of typing it out again I guess, but I never really consider it.

Some sicknesses are obviously more complicated and difficult than others. Multiple issues can afflict one person, requiring a multifacted approach. Not so cut and dry and many tests with me have not always given the answers. Contradictions also abound, finance is also another issue.

If you find the forum and the comments stagnant? I'm sorry. Many things are discussed on here, new, similar, repeated and the forum is very open to it. But as this is an amalgam forum, what most mercury people discuss is a protocol that proves itself with testimonies. Russ hasn't used the Cutler protocol! His approaches have been different from mine admittedly and he has enjoyed excellent health up until exposure to chemtrails. He's already repeated this a number of times.

Cutler's protocol has enjoyed a great deal of positive feedback. I think there are things worthy of repitition, even if they become irritating to those like yourself. Not all health issues have ready answers. Many people have spent years with difficult and stubborn health problems. I wouldn't be so quick to pin labels on such people.

I do help myself and I help myself everyday under the circumstances and I know others do also. But I think there are some real standouts on this forum who have made marathon efforts. I think Jinx is one of them that has struggled and tried many many approaches in diet, cleanses, detoxes etc. Still keeps going regardless. He is now trying the Cutler protocol with ALA and I wish him the best.

I'm doubtful anybody is so stuck on mercury or the Cutler protocol that they can't see past it. You'll find all kinds of things mentioned on here. Supplementation, cleanses, detoxes, candida/diets etc. Some do well on some things, others may not. I usually recommend what I have found has worked for me and has worked for enough other people to be confident in sharing it.

I think next time you decide to assign judgemental labels to somebody's character or situation, that you may want to pause and reconsider that you just might be mistaken! I'd hate to see this thread descend into a personal tit for tat. This would also be unfair on fellow members.

Ziggen, I have used ALA alone, and ALA with DMSA. I had bad side effects using ALA alone, but have no trouble using ALA with DMSA
with equal amounts of each. I will try increasing the ALA so it is in a 2:1 ratio to the DMSA and see if I am okay with that. I have read that people generally had no problemss using ALA with DMSA in anywhere from a 1 to 2 to a 2 to 1 ratio.

Many of my side effects are decreased with using supplements. I find magnesium, B vitamins and vitamin c to be most useful. I also do better on a high sulphur diet, and find using plenty of garlic powder on my food to be very helpful. You might find that zinc and magnesium supplements help improve your memory. You might also want to try taking creatine if you have plenty of muscle ache.

Just to add my two cents here. I also got worse on starting ALA, and couldn't understand why, as I followed the Cutler protocol to the tee. But if you search in the archives on FDC, you will see that Andy says that the body doesn't get rid of the mercury mobilised by ALA during the same round. It takes much longer than that. So for those whose detox capabilities are weak, taking too high a dose of ALA will mobilise more mercury than the body can get rid of in a short time, and so you get worse and regress. The secret to the Cutler protocol is finding the right ALA dose - too high, and you will get worse. I started out on 12.5mg, realised quickly this was too high, moved down to 6.25mg where I stayed for some time, before noticing I had lost ground again. I am now waiting to start at 3mg, which I hope will be the dose I can chelate at comfortably, without getting worse, and get slow improvement. I know someone who cannot tolerate 1mg ALA rounds, and who is chelating with DMSA only to reduce body burden further before trying again with ALA. It is a highly individual dose-dependent process, which does not mean it doesn't work. I have had definite improvement from the ALA rounds I have done.

Bex - well done for a gracious response to an unkind post...

Best

Nicola

Vitamin C isn't citric acid. There's no vitamin C in citric acid. Citric acid itself and lemons, limes et cetera kill friendly bacteria in the intestines, and fast.

I am not mistaken about you, I just repeat what you have told me. Unless you are mistaken about yourself? You say you recommend what has worked for you. What has worked? Nothing! You are worse than ever. And Russ is the worst of all, taking 100 supplements a day. People shouldn't be taking advice from either of you.

And you just repeated the same thing. Talk about a broken record. It's amazing how stuck in time you are and you can't even see it. Nothing you say is worth repeating because you again, you are worse than ever. Time to think of something new. Time to make real progress and then talk. The whole "I'm still mercury poisoned and that's why I'm worse" is tired.

And I disagree with you about ALA. I know it's not true from experience. I repeat what I said. After a DMSA session, I can go on 1 cup a day of cilantro tea and I experience mental clearity, motivation, energy, all from two chelation sources that are said not to pass the blood/brain barrier. In other words, when I stay on top of the body mercury, my psychological state is normal and I can say I am cured. Until you acknowledge that and explain it, what room do you have to talk about ALA which does cross the barrier? DMSA proves that brain mercury may not be as important as we think it is. Does brain mercury even exist? Where are the tests that confirm it? I maintain that autistic children who see mental improvement from DMSA are doing so because mercury/yeast is being cleared from the intestines. There is proof to this. Autistic chldren have and are being cured with the SC diet alone.

When a person takes ALA and gets depressed, it is NO proof nor evidence that brain mercury is being cleared. Nor is it that he's making progress. It is so naive to call everything negative a "detox reaction."

And what do you know about Russ's situation? You seem to speak on his behalf with utmost certainty of his condition. Russ is stuck in time like you, blaming his health on chemtrails. How do you know that's his problem? It's just a theory and you repeat it as fact because he said so. Neither of you know what's really wrong with you. Because if you did, you would be cured. You, Bex, are more interested in telling your story for the hundreth time than making a breakthrough.

It is not simple to figure out how one is affected by mercury in the brain. My theory is that it may have significant effects on the hypothalamus, and therefore throw many body systems out of balance.Things like body temperature and blood pressure maintenance may be affected. If the body temperature stsys low, many different problems can result. I often find that my temperature is low when I have the worst stmptoms. It might be in the 96.5-97.5 range. The strange thing is that I might be very heat intolerant and sweating greatly when my temperature is 96.5.

Hi Cleft Asunder,

I think it's important that people question things, here and elsewhere. I think it's helpful for people to share their experiences, good and bad, and their knowledge. I'm glad you've done all of these things but I would ask you in future to have some consideration for people's feelings and address the issues rather than the personalities -- which you (and all of us here) perceive in one limited way, on this forum.

Many of us have experienced successes and failures on the road to health, and we've spoken with others who have done the same. We can say, "This worked for me, at a certain time" or "This worked for so-and-so but not for me," or "I've read that this can help." I am making progress (on ALA and DMSA) though I have my bad spells. Because I have bad spells, and because I was stuck in a rut at various points, does that disqualify me from giving advice to people or sharing what has worked for me? I don't believe so.

We're all on this journey, at various points and for various reasons. Some here probably aren't even mercury poisoned at all and need to pursue other routes to health. Many others who have mercury poisoning, also have other issues that need addressing. And what works for some may not work for others, though generally there are things you can learn about holistic health that apply to most people, like the vitamin C that Bex recommended.

Have you had a look at Andy Cutler's FDC list? If you have specific questions you might try asking them there, because they have a lot of specialist knowledge and they could cite studies for you. I've read, myself, about people who have been discovered with brain mercury when they have died and been autopsied, so it does exist. My personal symptoms point to it, and it literally took me years of trying dozens and dozens of other things before I felt sure enough about that to carry on down that route. It's hard because there's no reliable test to tell you if you have chronic subclinical mercury poisoning, and where in your body the mercury is being deposited. Sometimes all we've got to go on are our symptoms.

By all means, you are welcome to make contributions here, and I think some of the issues you have raised are interesting. But IMO criticising people personally is not usually the best way to support them.

Regards,
Linda.

I suspect you're not as familiar with the situations here as you're letting on. Why do I recommend the same things? Let me repeat this to you. Amalgam removal and proper chelation worked for me! I was well on the way to recovering. It also works well for others.

I have already pointed out what happened to that recovery, need I go through it with you again? Just because I was impacted by other means, is no reason to discontinue recommending what works for mercury and what helps with candida.

Worsening of ones condition by other means outside or alongside mercury that may not be so readily understood, should not be a cause to shut up about what does work.



An explanation was given to you, so now you call that a repetition. You're beginning to sound like a broken record yourself. I recommend reading a post properly before firing off another rude reply.

What I say must be worth repeating if it has helped others. Diet, supplements and chelation are always worth repeating.



You speak for yourself, but certainly not for the many others whom the Cutler protocol has helped and are evidenced by the testimonies.

Are you more qualified than Cutler? Have you worked with adults and children with great success for many years as he has? The information on ALA chelation does not stem from myself, but from somebody qualified and knowledgeable.

Yeah I already repeated in my previous post that psychological symptoms do not always = brain mercury. So it's possible that people can improve by body detox alone if the burden is higher in that area than the brain.

Can I ask when you had your amalgams replaced? And how long you've been chelating with this protocol since that time? As you've figured out what works for you? Great. Jinx was hurt badly by taking cilantro by the way and others have been also. So no, it doesn't have the same effect on them that it has on you.



It is also naive to assume because ALA hasn't worked for you, therefore it doesn't work period. Not everything is a detox reaction no. But moving mercury around and out without any symptoms would seem unusual. I consistently gained symptoms during detox and I don't know many who don't. Improvement came later, but not easy to achieve.

I know quite a bit about Russ' situation by reading his posts. Most long standing members here do. He's quite clear on what happened to him. His symptoms only arise during chemtrails and disappear when they leave. Not rocket science to figure that out.

What is wrong with not having all the answer Cleft_asunder? Do you have all the answers????? Do you think because you have nailed the problem you suffer and know what works, that it should be the same with everybody else?

Are you not aware that there are plenty of afflictions out there not so easily remedied by such detox regimes? I have tried DMSA and cilantro by the way. Garlic too.

Russ blames chemtrails, what do you blame for your ills and reasons to keep taking DMSA and cilantro? And why must you keep taking them? Obviously it's amalgam related. Ever consider that there are other sources of toxicity out there aside from what has hurt YOU?

I know what worked for me and I still stand by that and I see the results in others also, so I'm in no way put off by continuing to recommend it regardless of my present day afflictions.

Nobody has all the answers to everything.

Very glad to hear you too have had improvement on ALA

I often find that complaints about ALA usually have a reason behind it. Cutler is pretty specific how and when it should be taken, but even then adjustments may have to be made with the dose.

I've even heard of people using ALA with amalgams in place. Or too early on, too high dose, or random dosing (e.g. not every 3 hours around the clock). ALA nor Cutler should be blamed when bad things happen in cases like that.

But often they are!



Thank you Nicola

Thats like playing a game with your brain though trying to find the right dosage! What if you are way off and make yourself alot worse? Thats the drawback of Chelation, and I have read elsewhere people getting worse on ALA etc. I also since some say they got better on this have read stories of people using Zeolite and getting alot better, does Cutler mention this or frown on that too. I think all he is saying and I try to is there is other ways of healing yourself too and IMO less dangerous than ALA. I know he studied it and made the book, but I believe there is other ways and some can't always see it that way or keep that open mind.

Bex I will never attack you nor am I aiming at you in any negative way, I just want others to listen and keep it open too and not mention Cutler says or said everytime they answer what I have said in order to prove a point. I do well on Chlorella and Garlic, Cutler says do no use and it is very dangerous, well ALA can be too!

I would look more towards the Zeolite approach or some kind of detox before I bother chelating as I don't want to go through all thsoe ups and downs and get worse.

Minerals can help you get metals out and displace them too in your body, some say well they can't or it takes too long, but I felt great when on a high mineral diet and I didn't chelate to get rid of it. THERE YA GO! That would go for Andy Cutler as he is human, so take half of what he says as truth and the other half as either opinion or what works for the half or so, not necessarily all.


That is all I try to say in here everyday, and we all can agree on that.

Bex does this virus have a name? I am kind of intersted to see what it is and why it is permanent and can't be cured like other viruses I or others have had in our lives.

I am reading up on David Wolfes page on how to jack up the immune system and get rid of viruses etc., some really good stuff you can do that will wipe out a Virus or bacteria. Have you ever read a book about Olive Leaf and which kinds to take? I know you consider that an antifungal and you can't take those too right? I can't eat or take a few things that are great so I know how that is right there but have you tried to attack this virus?

The Diet I know has done well for you and you stay on that? Does it fail as soon as you fall off of it or cheat one time? Thats just a crutch IMO for the Candida and suppresses symptoms, never really gets rid of it and as soon as you fall off it comes back even worse than before correct? I have read on that alot and the stories are all the same as far as the diet goes.

Once again not attacking or bashing you just wondering if you found out what kind of virus it is and why it's impeded your progress with Chelation and Candida permanently and there is no hope? I would say there is hope for you and it can be beaten like anything else you have been through.

Just talk to me and I will try to help and find things out that are great at beating viruses so you can further your life as far as improvements go and live a little better as you once started to.

Here ya go BEX I found a link of something I wanted you to read and it has Viruses in there as well.

http://www.birdfludefense.com/019197.html

Mike: Wow, that's a deal.

Wolfe: I bought every one they had. It's amazing. Generally, you're going to find a combination of the flower and the root, or you'll find just the root or just the flower. All of it has the same chemistry.

Another really great herb I want to mention is a Native American herb, and it's traditionally been used successfully against avian flu bacteria and viruses before, and that is the lomatium herb, and that is a wonderful herb to have. You can find that if you buzz around on the internet. On the 'net, you can get bulk herbs, like a pound of lomatium, for about $30.00. I mean, that's enough for your whole neighborhood.

Hi Sean,

Thanks for the interest and enquiries. Enjoyed the link and I"ll fill you in on PM a bit more.

Cheers!

Cleft, you're getting a little rude. I think it's possible to say the things you've said without sounding so personally derogatory.



As to this quote, let me straighten this out.

Firstly, what Bex has said about me is true in that I am utterly convinced that chemtrails are the cause of my health problems.

Secondly, she has known me long enough via the forum to know that this is my position, so I have no problem with her speaking about me.

Thirdly, my 70 supplement-a-day regimen has been a tremendous blessing that has enabled me to continue to function.

I believe I would have been dead in my first bout with mercury in the mid 90's was it not for these valuable tools. Now, despite the obnoxious spraying campaign that continues in our area, they allow me to function pretty close to normal.

Incidentally I have -- within the past 30 days -- decided to go on a chelation program myself. I just receive my DMSA in addition to EDTA for my chemtrail-mercury induced heart issues. I have been taking other supplements for the past several months that have slowed the degeneration of my condition and may have even reversed it, but with the advent of recent increased spray intensity, the problems are again worsening, albeit slowly.

As I've stated in several articles that I've written, my symptoms correlate directly with spraying activity. Hence, when they don't spray, I have no symptoms at all. Yes, they all disappear, every last on, and all this within about an hour; Two at most.

Clearly their "normal" avenues of toxicity induction (flouridated drinking water, amalgam fillings, vaccines, eye washes, etc.) that have been in place for nearly 100 years (some methods, more) are becoming interrupted by people's education and intercommunication, and so they are resorting to delivery by air at levels that are below most people's ability to detect, yet effective at making and keeping people sick.

The best "cure" for heavy metal toxicity is to stop the exposure, but now that this is virtually impossible, we have to create a condition in our bodes that greatly increase the rate of elimination. This is especially true for high-testosterone -- and hence poor mercury excretion -- people like myself.

Of course, this new universal source of mercury is not going to cease because too many people are having a tough time believing that chemtrails really exist. It's analogous to the attitude people had when I first began educating them about amalgam fillings. The most common response I received was this:

"The government would not allow that if it was harmful to people."

How fantastically naive we have been, but fortunately, we are growing out of this naivete. Nevertheless, it will take a little time for people to be capable of accepting that people exist who would actually use government resources to literally spray people with poisons.

Would it help if they learned that the very organization that defended and promoted the use of mercury in dental fillings held the patent for it, and thereby profited handsomely -- the ADA)?

Yes, things certainly make more sense when you have all of the information, but information is hard to access and process when you're mercury toxic, so kindness and repetition are often necessary to help us through this new man-made holocaust.

(Let's lighten up and be kind.)

Russ, oral EDTA is dangerous and unhealthy. Imo it should never be used. IV EDTA is useful in some circumstances but it is still dangerous, since EDTA not only removes toxic metals, but also removes essential minerals in great quantities. It is easy to develop mineral deficiencies using EDTA, if you don't already have them. DMSA is a good idea since it not only targets mercury, but also lead, arsenic, antimony, silver, bismuth, copper,cadmium, tin, nickel, zinc, thallium, and manganese.
if the body is overwhelmed by mercury, then even very small exposure the other toxins won't be properly excreted.
Take DMSA on an empty stomach, as it is hard to absorb and food will decrease its absorption. Imo it is best taken with an equal amount of ALA every 3 hours(you might want to start with just DMSA though, then add the ALA after 4 or so rounds). Imo a dosage of 25 mg is a good starting point, using it for 3 day rounds to start(3 days, 2 nights). After several rounds of 25 mg of each DMSA plus ALA, you might try incresing the dosages or the duration of the rounds, taking at least an equal number of days off as the number you are chelating. Andy Cutler says taking DMSA in ratios to ALA of anywhere from 1 to 2 to 2 to 1 is reasonable. Since DMSA also causes zinc excretion, it is a good idea to take zinc supplements between rounds(some might say to take it during rounds as well, but I think it might impeded chelation. Selenium also might impede chelation, so imo it is not good to take it during rounds).

Thanks for the information. I do appreciate it.

I believe there is danger involved with all of these chemical chelators, but I have have developed symptoms of severe Atherosclerosis, known to be caused by mercury toxicity through the elevation of homocysteine and the activation of an enzyme in arteries that causes calcium binding.

Oral EDTA is the only economical solution that I know of with the strength to rapidly reverse this condition. I have been using natural methods of chelation over the past months and have shown some improvement, but recent heavy spraying conditions have made things worse.

Now, in order to be clear, let me explain this a little because I know people will be asking how spraying can so rapidly cause plaque buildup.

It can't. The buildup happens slowly.

I believe the plaque has been building up for some time, but when I'm exposed to the chemtrail spraying, it causes a large cortisol release that immediately causes otherwise non-problematic plaque buildup to become exasperated because of swelling (caused by rapid cortisol release) closing off arteries in a way that causes significant physical symptoms.

I have tested this theory by taking a cortisol inhibitor with some success, but of course, to continue this would only be masking the underlying problem.

The solution is to clear our the arteries.

The natural solution that I have been using have been working decently, but I am unable to increase my intake to the recommended levels because it involves B-vitamins that -- because of mercury toxicity -- cause very shallow sleep cycles and vivid dreams making my daily routine hard to cope with.

I feel that the condition has become severe enough to warrant using oral EDTA so I don't end up having a heart attack one of these days.

I am open to suggestions, as this is not an area I have a history of researching, but in the research I have done so far, IV EDTA would be best and oral would be second. I have also heard a number of very positive testimonials related to oral EDTA, despite the fact that only a small amount of it is absorbed properly and the fact that it interferes with absorption of several minerals -- which can be compensated for by additional supplementation.

I am open to suggestions, but this is the best solution I've found so far.

So again, I am walking through the minefield of mercury toxicity thanks to the real underlying problem:

People in powerful positions who believe that dramatic and immediate population reduction is necessary to "save the Earth".

You can read about their beliefs in books and/or articles by Henry Kissinger, Porritt Jonathan Leake, Brendan Montague, Ted Turner, the Rockefellers, and the like.


New Age Religion: A New Mindset for Peaceful Depopulation

Russ, check out this page. They explain how mercury does its damage, and suggest specific supplements to take to address certain symptoms.

http://www.flcv.com/cfsfm.html

Search the net about for EDTA. Are you sure you have plenty of plaque on your arteries? Intravenous EDTA might help with this, however it has it dangers. I read that oral EDTA is less than 3% absorbed, which is why few use it orally. If your concern is heavy metals, then DMSA+ALA chelation is the way to go. EDTA is very inefficient at removing toxic metals, and with chelate mostly necessary minerals. In the link above, they recommend B6,B12,folic acid, SAMe for high homocystein levels. I have gotten some relief from muscle ache using creatine.

Russ, read this.

http://www.drcranton.com/chelation/oralchelation.htm

Thanks for the information.

I actually studied Dr. Cranton page and research before I decided to do this and believe it's a little too fear-based me in regard to EDTA. He has a wealth of information on his website that I respect, but I don't know of any effective viable solution other than EDTA for my situation.

No chelation is perfectly safe, but the alternative is worse.

I also know people who have done EDTA and had remarkable results with it.

About the B-vitamins, etc.; Yes, they are part of the current program that I've been on for a few months that has helped slow progress of the problem. Of course, the problem with B vitamins in a mercury toxic person is that they interfere with my deep sleep cycles. I wake up feeling horrible. For this reason, I've only been doing this program at about 1/4 strength. Perhaps at 100% strength, it would help, but I have to sleep.

So, as everyone who has been mercury toxic already knows, if it's not one thing, it's another.

I'm am going to start with EDTA and eventually move to DMSA with high doses of malic acid to chelate aluminum (chemtrails are loaded with aluminum).

Again, I appreciate the info, but I think when presented with an array of crisis, we have to make tough choices about which ones we will address first.

"I also know people who have done EDTA and had remarkable results with it."

I assume they used IV EDTA though. I don't see any reason to use oral EDTA. I doubt it would help, and it might be quite harmful.

It is not a good idea to take B vitamins late at night, as they have a stimulating effect. You could take them a few times earlier in the day though.

I have not heard of malic acid chelating aluminum. It does help some people with fibromyalgia symptoms.

"Again, I appreciate the info, but I think when presented with an array of crisis, we have to make tough choices about which ones we will address first."

I know how you feel. At times I have felt desperate, however I have decided against trying things that I felt might not be safe. Imo you should try the things that are least dangerous and have a proven track record first, such as chelation with DMSA then DMSA plus ALA. I tried just ALA first, and after a few rounds it gave me terrible symptoms and I had to stop. If you start with just DMSA at 25 mg every 4 hours for 3 day rounds(2 nights, then 4 days off), and if that goes well then after a few weeks you could switch to 25 mg DMSA + 25 mg ALA every 3 hours for 3 day rounds(2 nights). You could try some of the other supplements recommended at
http://www.flcv.com/cfsfm.html

I added creatine and choline recently and they seem to be helping me. Carnitine might also be helpful. I may add that soon. I might also add COQ10. I resited taking these as they can get expensive.

Have you tried detox teas? When I feel the most toxic and allegic to so many things, I find that the Triple Leaf brand detox tea is very helpful. Licorice root tea is also helpful for detoxification. I do well taking in plenty of garlic, but can't use raw garlic now as it is too strong.

I have also been helped by doing parasite cleanses. Have you done some of these?


Imo you should leave the EDTA as a last resort. There are so many other things that are safer and much more likely to be helpful you could try first. Which symptoms do you find most troublesome?

Let's see if anyone else here comments on oral EDTA.

Have you ever used Aged Garlic like Kyolic? I did well on that, no garlic odor and it was a pretty smooth ride when I was on it. I can't handle raw either, my stomach will get messed up and it's just too damn strong for me personally taste wise and smell wise.

I need to try some of those teas, I use Pau Darco tea a few days a week and love the taste of it, great antifungal too. Olive Leaf is another I read thats great, I am getting a little book on it and plan on getting into that soon.

I am using ordinary garlic powder(avoid garlic salt, as it is mostly salt). I get it for just $1 for 4 ounces. In the past I have used raw garlic. I tried Kyolic many years ago. I found that it didn't help me as much as garlic with the odor. Kyolic is also a bit expensive. I don't mind the garlic odor.

The Triple Leaf Detox tea doesn't have much taste, but it is very helpful for detoxification. Yogi Detox Tea tastes better, but imo it doesn't seem to be as good for detoxification. I love the taste of licorice root tea. That is also helpful for detoxification.

I appreciate the information.

My symptoms are the same as those of an impending heart attack. They occur during physical exertion: Pains in my heart (like a cold headache or "brain freeze"), pain down both arms into my wrists, accelerated heartbeat, dizziness, etc.

I feel there is a severe blockage caused primarily from mercury causing plaque buildup. Then when chemtrail spraying occurs, inflammation from the resulting cortisol release closes off the arteries enough to cause these symptoms during just mild physical exertion.

When they don't spray, I have no heart problems except minor symptoms but only with considerable physical exertion.

A few months ago, I had frequent skipping heart beats (very scary) but only during spraying. I would get really dizzy after just a couple skips and sometimes nearly fall over.

I solved this completely with potassium supplementation. The barium in chemtrails steals potassium and low potassium causes these types of problems and can lead to a heart attack.

Hmm, but have you begun to eat crushed raw garlic theee days then Bex?
I tought you steared clear of raw garlic, and you said it yourself many times that garlic in supplement form ain't good for you. so, im curious... Are you giving a d*** about it's taste and smell these days and eating it for real, raw?

Btw.. what acidity regulator? an additive in the supplemented form? or is it infact something i dont know yet about the wonderherb garlic?!

I know pretty much about garlic and it's bodily low-level functions both on the paper and in real life from experience. But you ofcourse knew that..

But what catched my eye here was that which was said about an acidity regulator in garlic????? Please enlighten me, supplemented form or a chemical process of real garlic which i havent hered of yet...

You know, friend.. I don't believe in Cutler.. (completely).
The first time i read his stuff i tought hmm, right, mhm, good points, sound right.... but after reading more... then it hit me that maybe he was somewhat halfly and misinformation agent... why?? because he's banning GOOD stuff!

so... as said many times before by some or many member here, Cutler isn't everything.. HOWEVER i know his protocol has helped many.

But it's just that, about taking Cutler or anyone else's (experts) word in completely that bothers me somewhat, well i'm not really bothered, wrong wording... But... If im right, Cutler says garlic can't chelate, and thats just a load of big biiig BS! Because i'm improving! And i got 1 huge amalgam left, and some smaller "hidden" dental cheats...

My head is clearing up each day... small down's and great up's, just from raw garlic! Ofcourse you Bex know this as we have spoken much about garlic and my health. We agree on one thing atleast about garlic, it DOES mobilize mercury!, but i say it also chelates! both body and head!! (My experience anyway), and it certanly also kills intestinal parasites (my experience).

Cutler... Cutler.. Culter.. He says to avoid garlic for safety, AND because it doesn't work for cheleation (his words) if i don't remember wrong..

He says garlic woun't do things that i have read it DOES!
And that info i read was highly advanced stuff about the metabolic reactions with some of garlic's compounds, such as selenium.... glutathione.. etc...

Cutler... ahhh... Cutler for president!... see my point... I respect his work and his lifeline for many, but, Cutler's word for gold..... no.... not me... Cutler's word for silver maybe... anyone's word for silver... Our own experiences for Gold!

Garlic is a complete chelation package deal in it self! Wholesale! For those who can handle it ofcourse.

It contains, selenium (precursor for glutathione), vitamine C, maganase, etc, etc, etc, look it up, all the things many of you guys and gals are taking in in IMPURE sumplementals, are in garlic naturally! Wholesale, with some lacks, but just some...

Btw... the great blood brain barrier... consider that in mercury poisoning, the BBB can be broken (somewhat, but not much?.. hmm).... can be broken...
And besides if the BBB is intact, i belive garlic helps mercury thru anyway.. if not the garlic itself, then via the glutathione the body makes from the selenium that the garlic provides! namely.

Detoxing the natural way..... Eating the precursors for glutathione.... Selenium... etc... And that can be from garlic! + The socalled sulphur stores...
Anyway, the sulphure building up of sulphur stores (theory) is wrong in my mind. I'we heared that you have to build up your stores of sulphure before and during DMSA cheatation.. BUT.. storage?? no.. it has nothing to do with storing sulphur.. It has to do added thiols from the sulphur to mobilize and bind more mercury! And the selenium to make gluta... to also activate the body's own excretion processes, and btw possibly the only way to excrete!

I'm saying.. that i don't belive even DMSA can excrete merc on its own had it not been for natural glutathione! That also applies for garlic and everything that mobilizes... However.. garlic has bioactive selenium in it.. and vitamine C.. Selenium helps build glutathione... So... See my logic???!

Wholesale?! Thiols, and selenium... and in NATURAL form! wholesale! GARLIC!! HURRAY!!

I also have started eating mung beans, and alfalfa, and even tried some ginger root... the real stuff.. not supplements... i don't know yet, but i know their functions and nutritional values.. I also use fresh red peppers btw...

Nowadays, constipation lessens and lessens every day. Head clears more and more.. feels more like me, back pain was even 90% gone the last week, but now it's "back" (hehe) again to 30% pain maybe... but head is clear.. Much less brain fog.. more seldom... Garlic! God's gift to me! only garlic, which Cutler damns!

Other explanation why my head clears up from garlic... Not beleving that merc crosses the BBB due to garlic or glutathion production from it.... Candida die offs??.. maybe... maybe.... but i think garlic detoxes both the brain and the body at the same time... if only a little..

Maybe i'm just one of the lucky ones.... Maybe...
I'm poisoned, but still... I'm so immunological STRONG that i don't even understand it myself sometimes...

The flu never gets me... 5% of the times when i let it hit on purpose or for not bothering to eat my garlic... other times garlic isn't even nessacary to stop the flu from developing with me. I don't even understand why i'm so strong like that, taking into concideration that i know i'm merc poisoned!
I have the arthritis symptoms currently... declining and changing every other day or week... But to my immagination or experience, they decline with felt mobilizement using garlic now and then... The stenosis never moves if i'm not touching garlic for some time...

But... loooong post... I'm me again mentally! And with lessened body aches too... JUST from garlic, and ofcourse staying far away from food additives!

One more thing.. you stagnated in detox Bex... Then tried some garlic from my advise.. You reacted positively to it if i remember.. It did something you said... And that was after DMSA didn't work anymore with you... so...

My conclusion is that garlic may be supperior to all those synthetic but powerfull chelators.. safer? that depends... but i belive like you said once before Bex, that if you take nature appart, and then reassembles it in a diffrent way, you miss out on things, and even endangers the user with it's use... generally.. so.. Garlic (natural form), cilantro (natural form), alfalfa, etc..... I belive theese can do stuff (chelate deep tissue merc), that DMSA cannot. if i'm correct... same with ALA...

So... Cutler.... well.. take him with a "small" pinch of salt.. small... because he appear to know what he's talking about... mostly.... mostly... but not everything!

I belive in garlic for detox the brain anyway. Remember that garlic also adds annother unique detox method.... Mercurial salts... Kidney's.... (maybe the salts crosses the bbb, i don't know, havent read into that).

Garlic for president!

Cheers!
Ole.

Ahh i forgot the most important thing...



What about metalic magnetic equilliburum!? of the merc...
When the body is "empty".......... the merc seeks out magnetic equilliburum!!
Theory confirmament?! Here you are: People have gotten ill from extracions only!
Never drilled a sh** or bit.. Exacto!

So why wouldn't the brain merc also seek new balance when the body is empty enough?! It would... the body would find methods of helping it cross the BBB just for that purpose... OR... merc will find a cab (cell, something, whatever) to hitchhike with out of the brain and into whole bodily magnetic equiliburum!!!

This reasoning is my own. and i think it's logical, especially when compared to the extraction cases. The ones that got ill from never drilling, but extractions..


I really think this talk and issue about brain merc beein in there "forever" is just scare mongering... much of it... Remember the law of attraction may also apply to getting well.. so therefore beliveing that merc never gets released from the brain, or only in small ammount, may hinder brain detox, due to that thought manifistation! We're into the psychological aspect of detox here now.. hehe.. but..
I belive... i belive it has merit. both beliving it can be done naturally and more quickly than Cutler and the others are saying, AND by beliving it! (It's all in you head? hehehe) Beliefs can move mountans remember!



e'Nuff.... Cheers..

Maybe i will need A. Cutler one day... when i'm amalgam free, or if i get worse then.. i hope not.. but maybe i will need Cutler someday... But i can't now anyway.. Not amalgamfree yet... So i'm not throwing him to the wolves.. but only saying to take his words more lightly... somewhat more lightly atleast.. Be open to that even he don't knowitall.

I agree on this here, some only say Cutler says this and that all the time like he is a know all, but infact nobody knows it all and some works for some and some works for another, Chlorella and Garlic worked for me! Yes they did, yet he advises against them right? Cutler has good points and is a educated dude, but seriously nobody knows all as far as each individual goes, some need to realize ALA is not the answer for all and some might do better on Garlic or Chlorella.

I like gentle cleanses where I don't feel nuts, period.

BTW THE GINGER ROOT POWDER or spice I have taken daily is detoxing me like crazy, then Alfalfa later on after that, the minerals in taht are detoxing me like crazy now too! Believe it or not I use the same things you do mostly and get detoxes and FEEL alot better at times.

Garlic is amazing stuff.

"Garlic can stimulate the production of glutathione, an amino acid which is known to be a very potent antioxidant and de-toxifier"

"Today people use garlic to help prevent atherosclerosis (plaque build up in the arteries causing blockage and possibly leading to heart attack or stroke)"

"Removes heavy metals such as lead and mercury from the body. Reduces yeast infections"

http://www.herbwisdom.com/herb-garlic.html

Garlic does not harm acidophilus.

"When garlic and L. acidophilus were added to the BEC together, a synergistic effect on the inhibition of candidal attachment occurred but if cinnamon was combined with L. acidophilus (which had been shown to have an inhibitory effect on the growth of this bacteria) the opposite effect was observed."

Interesting!

http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/eccmid15/abstract.asp?id=37594

Btw... since my two drillouts (mostly protected), after getting ill, and then somewhat getting better or even much better (personal doubt due to slow detox sometimes) just from giving it the time to heal on it's own, and helping with some sauna use, and garlic, chilipeppers, etc, real butter, staying away from food additives... I'm getting better! Even to say it out loud!!! my toenail fungus is starting to die.. I'we grown 5 millimeters clean toenail since i drilled out those two suckers.. Don't know if it's the amalgam loss due to drillouts, or if it's the garlic.. but i bet on the garlic in combo with lessened dayli intake of merc from the teeth.

So.... i can confirm, less arthritic pains, dead worms, toenails starting to comeback clean and transparent, arthritic and musclular pain movements (mobilizing), lessing of symptoms after each mobilizement with garlic... psoriassis changes... (psoriassis = detox via skin in my oppinion), or toxic overload which = detox via skin in desperation. And i can confirm to sum it up again, mind is getting clearer!
Constipation lessens... I'm not even taking acidiophilus these days...

I belive anyway that there really is NO such thing as good bacteria that SHOULD live in symbiosis with us... I'm not sure about that... Because.. if the body could... it WOULD rid itself of even them! There logic for ya... Even though i know they work in symbiosis with us to a great degree... The body says no... It WOULD rid it self at the first chance, beeing strong enough immunoligical!

So... Thats what i had on my heart today about this...

Whatever path you take guys and gals, Great healing to all of you!
You are a great gang, and a great "friend" reach when globally isolated from other rightminded souls! (In english we are sadly spread apart all over the globe, many of us only having local blind people for "friends" or company).

So you people here on the forum are the greatest! even though we don't allways agree... but that is part of the "thinktank" process that we are a part off!

That's why this forum is here.. it's a thinktank amongst many other things.
Thank GOD for Russ!!

Hipp hipp hurray for Russ and Laura!
Without them.......... They're the hub... I wanted also to do such a thing, but was too chicken to even concider it... I'm glad Russ is man enough to dare doing what he does for us! because i'm not... i'm too chiken.. But i will be a part of it.. i am.. as is all of us..

One more time... let's here it for Russ and Laura!! Heroes!!!!!


They let us learn from each others... on this forum... they let us connect with each others... as few or no one in our families want to talk about theire illnesses so we can learn from them and cure ourselves and them....
This forum lets us see how real people react to programs such as Cutler's, Mercola's, etc.... Learn independant body tollerances for each herbs... etc..

This forum is the GOD of all forums on THE net!
I'we never stumbled across a forum ever EVER, with so many enlightened souls!

Russ & Laura..... & everyone else on here.... THANKYOU for your contributions!

Ole.

Mhm, Sean and JK98... Hmm.. JK... interresting about the acidiophilus and garlic, and the cinnamon issue.. have to give it a read....

Sean... I'we read about an natural detox path only using minerals and vitamins.. naturally... before i found herballure... I know it has validaty from my own experience and now.. yours aswell..

Hmm.. as said.. this forum is GOD! connecting us!

Btw, Jinx.. i hope you will get better, i feel for you! You have been going thru my worst fear! My mind is even more precious to me than my life! Think about that..

Jinx, please get well! I think about you now and then. Have hope, and try to, KNOW that you will be better and eventually be fully back again! Because you will!
You were bright enough to seek, ask questions, then find this forum!
There IS hope where there is the WILL to SEEK and TRY!

God bless!
Ole

Bex, i agree on the DMSA extra cellular thing, even though i haven't touched DMSA myself... yet?..... from what i have read... hmm... however, i don't belive that you waited too long to try ALA.... maybe it's just unknown immunological detox blocking as you belived... Maybe you should do further what Sean and I are doing? You have tried.. somewhat i know as you said it yourself, and stuff happens with you then... so.... once again... maybe taking it further Bex? There is hope from "lyme" too if i remember correctly about what you got for a virus...

Nah... maybe DMSA and ALA has done all it can in you, for now.... for now... maybe it's garlic, pepper, ginger, alfalfa, cilantro time?! carefull with cillantro... i'm too scared to touch it yet... even i "know" i have eaten it in the past in chinese restaurants without knowing what it was... atleast i think that those spice leaves in my soup was cillantro.... what else?.. hehe.....
But i don't dare to touch it yet... i wan't to, but..... i was scared with ginger too, still am abit carefull and sceptical, but atleast yesterday i made some soup at home with 5 pieces ginger, 4 cloves garlic, much much alfalfa, many mung beans, and one small superstrong redpepper, babycorn, etc..... and i handled it well...

Chinese soups / food, and Indian food / "spices" generally are compiled together thousands of years ago TO BE JUST ALL ABOUT DETOX.
But ofcourse, cillantro and such strong ingredients in those foods was probably never ment in those food doses for very toxic people... In my mind they were ment a a preventative in people with low tox, hindering them to get more toxic than e steady low...

So... I guess chinese and indian people dont get sick?... hmm.. thats what puzzles me, because they do get sick too, dont they...

Is it just their individual lifetyles not eating ther respective traditional meals?
Or is it that they too have been raped with amalgam and tipped over at toxicity?..
Hmm.. Even if so... and that is so, they too have got amalgam and thimerosal and env toxins.... but even so, why dont they react to their chinese and indian traditional food, getting better? why? is the ones not getting better from these cultures just living a modern life saying no to traditional chinese and indian food for a habit? lifestyle? This one gets me!
Because "their" herbs, cures and remedies us! We who can handle them anyway...

Ole.

YESSSSS! I have an army in here of people who don't just say WELL CUTLER SAID THIS AND that and he studied it and wrote a book so it's real and thats that! I believe you can help on what we have been discussing and I am doing ALOT BETTER! I need to correct my diet and stop drinking that beer lol, but otherwise Ginger and Alfalfa the last few days have been doing me alot better than any stupid detox I read before or chelation I tried, period. I am not scared either nor feel crazy! I love this feeling, this is POWER! Lets all talk now and grow in here, it's a movement now lol.

BTW you want Oxygen, get Horseradish powder and eat some with your food, that will raise your oxygen sides those expensive oxygen supplements they sell! I read that on curezoe and Believe it fully! Alfalfa is up there as well, so is Olive Leaf powder and Oregano oil as well, thate pure and strong.

What about Iodine from plant sources too sides Llugols or whatever heads use? WHY NOT? Thats natural right? Acrelo or Camu Camu which contains the full spectrum sides 10 grams of synthetic Vitamin C? Why not? Just try it people, our greatest healers are herbs and food, period! Get off ALA for once and think Garlic and other things for cures instead of these things.

Forget all these long drawn out things, just improve your herbs and foods, can they cure you? Can GOD HEAL YOU! I believe so.

Oh yeah why not Chorella or Garlic with Apple Pectin too? That prevents redistribution too right? Why not just take that along with those for detox? Some sleep on that, but it's proven too that Apple Pectin can detox Metals and so on from the colon from getting back into your body.

Andy does not say garlic or chlorella will not help anybody. He says they do not chelate mercury, and have made some people worse (permanently worse, meaning chelation couldn't help them anymore). All this means is its a risk...and that if you want to follow his recommended chelation protocol that you should avoid them.

Garlic in no way chelates mercury, it just doesn't. If you think it does you do not know what the word chelate means. It can kill yeast and pathogens, it can have effects that make you feel better in certain ways, and it may be helpful to your body, but don't expect it bind and assist the removal of mercury from your body.



Mercury in vapor form will disperse somewhat equally, and so will methyl mercury (found in fish), but the mercury stored in the body does not follow any rules of magnetic equilibrium. It builds up in extremely high concentrations in certain areas of the brain including the pituitary gland, as well as certain organs of the body.


Honestly the natural way sounds appealing, but I ate the healthiest diet after amalgam removal, made sure to get plenty of minerals from food, lots of garlic, sometimes chlorella, and even a sauna, and2 years after amalgam removal I was still a mess and didn't really feel like much had changed. So I tried chelation, and it felt really good to use ALA, and I enjoy every single round of chelation, and its reactions are much more predictable than with other things. If you want to go the natural route, go ahead, but just realize you may spend years making only minor improvements like I did.

Thx Ole, but I dont think I will ever soon be fully back. WILL? sure there is! MEANS to do things? nuh-huh

OK JK, I may be taking your advice after all.

The chemtrails have been unbearable here for the past several days. They sprayed today so heavily that I literally could not breath the air. I then got a number of mercury symptoms:

Tingling in hands/feet, brain fog, loud ringing in the ears, fatigue, and much more.

The air began to thin out about 7pm and I started feeling quite a bit better. It's not 9pm and I've doing a lot better, but the ringing still continues.

Gotta' go. Thanks for the advice. If you have any additional information or ideas, I'll be happy to read it.

Russ, tingling sensations ringing of the ears, and brain fog are all often caused by a vitamin B12 deficiency. Vitamin B12 is very difficult to absorb from the digestive system. The best thing for this besides vitamin B12 injections to take some vitamin B12 and make it into a paste, then put in your nose. Vitamin B12 is best absorbed from the nasal lining. I used to use a B12 nasal gel, however it doesn't seem to be available now. The second best way to use B12 supplements is to get sublingual lozenges and let them dissolve under the tongue. Taking extra folic acid and other B vitamins might also help.

I get plenty of potassiumn from eating low fat plain yogurt. A cup of low fat plain yogurt has around 570 mg of potassium. Fruits and vegetbles are also high in potassium.

Yeah I talked to you before about the nasal gel or crushed up and made into a paste B12, works well and instantly. I get 740MG of potassium from a tabelspoon of Blackstrap Molasses a day, organic kind. I believe thats ALOT more than pill can provide?

How do you explain changed symptoms like a back pain totally dissapearing and reappear as leg pain after extraction of an amalgameted tooth?

New magnetic equiliburum on the magnetic resonance frequency of the mercury atom!

In english, after extraction of an amalgam tooth, you take away the field that the amalgam was emitting. If you then has more amalgam left in other teeth, then their fields will change due to the removal of one field (extracted amalgam).

The SUM TOTAL complex dynamic multipoled magnetic field, is made up of it's membering sub fields.. I.e... (example of 3) amalgams has one own field each.. Those 3 amalgams produce 3 fields that interfere with each others in a constant flux! That flux is the sum total magnetic field of the 3 fields (amalgams).

The sum field is in a flux... constantly oscillating, but it may appear static when messure as a sum... however... If you take away one of the member of the total field, ie. extract one of the three amalgams, then you change the TOTAL field, and it's poles.. Hence... the total field is what emitts into the body as a whole, and when that field gets new poles or a new polarity vector, then stuff on that fields magnetic resonance frequency will be influenced (In this case, a field of mercurial atomic magnetic resonance). Therefore, other particles whit that frequency in the body will re-allign to the new polarity vector and it's amplitude (distance).

Therefor, people are experiencing changed symptoms after removing 1 of 3 teeth with amalgams... And also therefor in Bex's case, she could handle garlic well when she had one amalgam left, but couldn't handle garlic allmost at all when she was completely amalgam free! WHY?

I'll tell you why....
When she had one amalgam left, she had one field left with a polarity vector and an amplitude, WHICH mag-locked mercury in her body into an alligned "gridlock" more or less.. When she tried to mobilze mercury, then she did, and after that when retoxing, the mercury always returned in alignment with that one remaining field of the remaining tooth!

BUUUUUT, when she removed the last amalgam! and no longer had emitting fields whatsoever from her jaw(s), then there no longer was a powerful "master" field in her body to set the allignment for bodily stored mercury! The only fields left now is the individual small-fields of each mercury atom in her body. Each mercury atom in the body ofcourse repells or attracts to eachothers due to their fields...

However, when there was no huge masterfield from teeth amalgam left, that is when she couldn't handle garlic well no more, or sulphur as well. BECAUSE, only small amounts of sulphur mobilized wildly in her. Why? Because no powerfull masterfield from her mouth emitted a magnetic alignment field no more.. And therefor the merc mobilized more wildly in her than before, because the stored mercury now sat more loosely magnetic locked... infact now it wasn't locked at all no more, so therefor more easy mobilizement!!! And after retox when the merc will settle down again, it will settle randomly because of no big magnetic field to align with due to no more amalgam in the teeth!

So... Elementary physics.

Change one part of a field that consists of many fields, and you get a new field sum. And it's the field sum's amplitude and polarity vector that says where mercury will store in the body! Change that, and mercury will automaticly seek new equiliburum over a short time! Take away ALL fields, and you cause alignment CHAOS! (No alligment at all), and then you will more readily mobilze wildly when mobilizing!

It's the same with salt in water.... It's the same with everything.
And it's logical!

My god i only hope this will not make me impopular on here.. I'we been bashed before for sharing such highflying info...

If you know your physics, then you will see the logic in what i'm trying to say.. that simple.



gdawson6... Garlic does not chelate mercury?! Yes it does! Ofcourse it does.. If DMSA chelates due to its dual thiols, then garlic will also chelate due to it's singular thiol!! Besides garlic also has other mechanisms like converting mercury into kidny secretable mercury salts!

About the singular thiol in garlic.. I'we heared from some moron on the net on place that single thiols only mobilizes and not binds.. only chelators with dual or more thiols will chelate because the first thiol frees mercury, and the second thiol binds to the mercury that the first thiol freed.. Well it's not that simple. The dual thiol chelators improves the chances of binding, but a singular thiol chelator will also bind, only with less probability!

So sulphur food alone and especially garlic will mobilize and bind, and also convert mercury into watersouluble salts!

But yes, it's probably safer the more thiols the "chelator" has got. That will increase it's binding probability factor meassured againt it's mobilizing capability.

So DMSA may be safer yes, but garlic for example has most of the support chemicals in natural form in addition. So while garlic is only singular thioled, the garlic also gives the body what it needs to build it's own glutahione, and therefor at the same time enables the "body natural" chelating / excreting capabilities!

Presto!
Abra cadabra and Amen to that!

It's not only Cutler that can educate himself.... I am fully capable of logical deducing myself thankyou.

Belive this or not, your choises, i'm not bothering to find all my bookmarks leading to these conclusions, but i have read like a cat with mustard in its colon running to its death. I have read like h*** i.e

Sorry for that expression but its a saying in my country...

I know what i'm talking about here.

Am i arrogant? why? because i'm dead sure of my deductions?
I don't think so. Feel free to disagree, it's peoples rights, but.. Know your physics if you want to validate this.

I have connected the dots for this from many sources on the net.. i have bookmarks, but to map out all the dots from all the bookmarks would take to long time and effort.. so i'm not bothering, but the info leading to these conclusions, is out there for sure!


Kindly, Ole.

One other reason for pain area changes when removing amalgams, CAN be bacterial.
Remove one amalgam, and the dormant bacteria in that area will reawaken and systemicly invade the body, probably in lining with the meridian that the amalgam was removed from..

So.. remove amalgam that keep a local bacteria colony kneeled, and it wil re thrive and grow to colonize the body. My guess it will favour colonizing organs on the same merdidian as its master colony (cavity). But the last argument is just speculation from my side.

Sorry for the off topic here...


Ole..

Everybody seems to think garlic will help you excrete mercury, but I personally have never seen any studies that actually showed that it actually increased mercury levels in the urine or feces. Check your bookmarks, can you find anything like that? I know garlic is protective and healthy in other ways, but after reading nothing has ever gave me evidence that it assists in the removal of mercury from the body.

There are plenty of studies showing that DMSA and ALA significantly affect how much mercury is excreted, but I can't find any regarding garlic.

I'm sure you mean all well Gdawson6, as do I, however i don't conculde that mercury doesnt chelate because the allmighty Cutler just said so... Sorry for that tone against Cutler, but he's not all knowing.. Others out there disagrees with him on this and much more.. And i'm certain in my logic that what i said may be more right than Cutler's bombastic statement that garlic with it's singular thiol does not chelate at all.

About trusting Cutler completely because he get results with his protocol, is just the same as trusting an md because you see results in his or her programs.

It's just replacing blind trust in a doctor with blind trust in an alternative doctor....

Read.... Cutler only provides his angles to the story. There are other viewing angels to investigate too, before settling for a personal conculsion about the reading material's validity! It's called not beein neccacerily source critical, but content critical (i.e.. B.S filter). And that works by investigating as many angles of a coin as possible (not only one, like Cutler's view), but many, or rather all of them!

Cutler is a saviour yes.. I know that... But he's just flat wrong about many things!
And what about the stuff that Cutler doesnt mention? It's like the bible thumpers saying, HEEEY but thats not in the bible.... therefore it can't be valid... (they say)

Good meaning and intelligent people on here do the same with Cutler...
Heeey.. That doesnt say in the "Cutler bible", THEREFORE it can't be VALID!

My fellow souls, that i have come to respect, please take this into an openminded consideration.

With respect Gdawson6. no ill's ment against you or the other bloodsweared Cutler followers.

Cutler says this isn't so... Therefor not valid... Cutler says nothing about something, therefor it's not in the Cutler bible, and therefor not valid...

Cutler's work isn't complete, no one's work is... I have nothing against Cutler, but seein people saying it's not in the Cutler bible so therefor must be invalid, that..... sigh's me...

Andy is warning people against chlorella, cillantro, garlic, etc... Thats a good thing, because so many people get ill from them. But damning those herbs completely, is just............. yeah.... it is. And to say that they don't work... only my program does... thats... also..... well.. arrogant?? no.... well meaning.. yes.. but also sales pitched in respect to ALA and DMSA... But so what... if ALA and DMSA works as i know it does after reading the threads on this forum... so what about a biased sales pitch.. the stuff helps people.. yes... But to say nothing else will... Thats just plain wrong.. He's scaring people away from divine herbs the deffinately will help if you can handle them!

Cutler's playing in safe?... maybe... No.. then he would have mentioned an "however" clause in his texts... "however" these herbs may or will have this and that effect in the body also.. but he doesn't as far as i know... haven't read his book, but have been on his forum and read...

The more i read there at first, the more i lost respect for him and moved on further down on my reading list...

However i do respect his work... Only i'm not conviced on all his conclusions!


Ps.. i'm not writing this to irritate or attack anyone of you here, but only to say that i disagree on some things "Cutler says".

With respect...
Ole.

Gdawson6... Hi again.

Do you need any "studies" or socalled gov validated "scientiffic proof" to belive in something? There isn't much of that around.... Mercury poisoning for that reason is generally viewed as anxiety symptoms. The symptom list of anxiety and mercury poisoning is identical.. Off topic...

But proof.. oh yes there is proof on the net... But from sources that may not be credible, credible in the light of governmental validacy.

I.e... don't allways be source critical, be content critical!
You trust a source after you have personally verified the source's rightness in what its saying.. Like after having tried the Cutler protocol and personally verified it works, or that some other person or friend that you trust, has tried it, and he or she says it works! Trust is a personal choise after a personal analysis of data.

Others.... try garlic and get permanenty better too... after reading about garlic's so many claims, many of them may be overrated, other garlic claims may be more realistic... but realistic? How do you say whats realistic or not?

For that you first have to read, THEN experience personally and conclude if garlic really killed the cancer or not... for example... then you could say that that specific claim is bs or not.. or that it may be bs because it didnt work on you, but it also may be true even if it didnt work on you as claimed..

There is claims all over the net... Some sounds too far fetched, but may still be true... like chemtrails for example.. other claims sound more likely, and therefor we will swallow the info or claims more readily, even without researching it into more depth...

There are all kinds of health attribut claims on all kinds of herbs...
If getting unsure about the their real credibility, then you have to go to the next step.... Ask real people....

Herballure... Lots of real people to ask... both about garlic, and both about DMSA..

People do get better on both.... You said so yourself..


That is because it does! most probably... but you may be right about that its not chelation but other things that garlic does, making the garlic lovers belive they have chelated...

But... Google for "garlic" + "mercury salts". google "garlic" + "thiol" + "detox", google "garlic" + "mercury", google, "garlic" + "selenium", etc....

Then.... after reading 5-6 hits or more pr search, then come to an temporary conclusion of the data and claims. Not beein source critical, but content critical.
Then after that... ask people on for example this forum..... Theire experience with the claims that you just read about from the searces...

That is how i'm doing it anyway...

Kindly...
Ole.

Some net sites supposedly say, there are fat books as fat as lawbooks written about garlic alone.

Why? hmm.. now how can that be.. (sorry for the sarcastic tone (not ment ill in any way)).

Friend... just dig a little deeper on google... If it benefits your curiousity.

Food, in other words, spices and roots, in other words herb, are in other words medicine in their own.

Old dishes from old times alone, their ingredient composition together, are readily made detox tonics from old ages..

Take... for example the modern typical CEO dinner...
Red rare stake with raw garlicbutter (kills evt. parasites in the raw meat), mushroms, raw or steamed broccoli, tomatoes, red onion, etc, plus red wine (resveratol).... It's complete composition of the mineral and vitamine spectrum!!
~COMPLETE! It's a natural detox bomb on its own..

Take chinise old soups... ginger, garlic, cillantro, mung sprouts, etc...
Detox!! Food for medicine... Food with ingredients that the body will use to build it's own detox systems from...

The more clean that fuel is... the greater the body systems gets oiled.. and the faster the detox (natural style)...

In plain english.. there are theorizers there out on the net that says the body will heal on its own if only given the right and cleanest and most potent fuel.

That is why some "researchers" claim that minerals alone can detox the body.

And i prefer my vitamins and minerals from natural sources in natural compositions and in natural potencies.

I.e... herbal medicine / food / soups if you will...

Eat all you artificial vitamins and mineral pills all you want for "greater potency"...
But be aware that the supplement makers are the same guys that makes std pharmaceuticals.. And that the "helping chemicals" in pills may not be good for you...

Example of this..... In my local pharmacy i all the time see stuff like:
Ibuprofen for children with asparthame... (besides the point here, but), And charcoal pills with sorbitol.... in the groceries.. fake milk with forthified calcium..
Low fat milk with extra calcium.. hey... the body cant take up calcium without bile, and bile wont get triggered with low fat intake...

Anyway.. yeah... thats it.
I prefer getting my fuel the natural way.. Vitamins and minerals..
don't mind knowing the right ratios of such from real food, as it's not that accurately needed to be accurate..

The doses are small and "safe" with herbs.. """safe""".
Causion should allways be taken wether you call them, just food, or herbs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD_KHMZXYuo LOL!

Look Russ, what JK98 came up with because i started stirring up the garlic cuase more! Just a reminder about your heart detox path...



Garlic thins blood.. that i too know.. And Red peppers will break apart plaque.. atleast in the muscles in urate form..

Thinned blood will help against artherial blockage!
Besides garlic may also dissolve the plaque.

But ofcourse if time is of an essence and you (Russ) have not had artherial relief from garlic, then i can understand you would want to try something more powerfull or more agressive.

I don't know which is the more agressive in clearing artheries, in reality.

But as JK98 stated above...
"Today people use garlic to help prevent atherosclerosis (plaque build up in the arteries causing blockage and possibly leading to heart attack or stroke)"

JK98 even provided a link... To be honest i haven't read it yet, but i will...

Maybe there came some good from my contrbutions to this thread afterall? (via JK98... and others)

hmm..

Gdawson6... i love to argue... and yes.. there are rat studies on garlic and urinal secretions of mercury... just search the net.

We all doesnt allways agree.. but we are friends anyway..
The only people i disrespect is people that dont belive in obvious conspiracy "theories". Which we all can see when we choose to open our eyes.. right before us.

So respect..... to ya all, Gdawson and others... Friends in detox.... Good souls on here... Except conspiracy "busters". and generally blind people after beein presented with proof of conspiracies.

So. respect... No hard feelings, only healthy discussions and arguing.

Take care..
Ole.

WOW what you said right here I said in my mind just a minute ago and rolled my eyes when I read a post....

Good meaning and intelligent people on here do the same with Cutler...
Heeey.. That doesnt say in the "Cutler bible", THEREFORE it can't be VALID!


You just said this OLE!!!!! HAHAHHAHA I say that all the time, his book is the Bible to some and some in here take it too far on that there, well Cutler said this sand that, I seriously give a damn what he says half the time when things have worked for me when he says they did not. Russ talked to him, he said well Chlorella works for some and it's not all bad but some condemn it in here when he says it is bad and don't use it! Cilantro worked for me too when I tried it, I felt no bad effects at all! Why? Is that and Garlic that bad? I don't think so, then again I listen to MY BODY and not a book.

BTW Vitamins and minerals they push and SELL LIKE You said have some metals in them as well and they profit from those as well, I agree there!

Do not put your faith on the next best thing that is expensive and is HEALING people, do the math there and think for a minute!

Vitamins have additives as well, they even messed me up before when taking a certain one, some B Vitamins make me hyper and give me worse OCD etc., so does some probiotics they push! They get money too, just because you think they are vitamins and so on does not mean they are safe! Ole I like you in here man, continue to post and make others think outside of the box too.

Hi Ole,

Thanks for your kind words to others on this forum by the way! It is a great place to connect.

I don't think DMSA is harmful Ole. There maybe few who might be sensitive to it however. But, it is the mercury that is harmful, so any product that shifts mercury around or is taken incorrectly could potentially hurt and hurt bad. DMSA taken correctly for me was great. DMSA taken incorretly was awful. This was all about the mercury rather than the chelator.

I don't have Lyme as far as I know. It was caught after using an infected eye cosmetic, not a tick or anything like that. Testing has not discovered what particular virus/bacteria it is.



Well at this point I don't think DMSA is the ticket. I usually know when it's working and no symptoms whatsoever when I take it these days, even if I take it randomly. So I know there obviously isn't much extra cellular mercury, but organ mercury? Yeah, I'm pretty certain there is storage sitting there. But ALA flares up my yeast too much. And that is a big issue for me.

Doens't mean I'm never going to try ALA again though.

I have tried garlic and cilantro. Not sure if I'm getting much there either. Though garlic I can't be certain. Problem is, garlic doesn't do me any good gut wise. It screws me up in that area. SO I have to take it occassionally, rather than regularly.

I feel it probably does do something with toxins, since I notice a strange feeling of "dampness" after using it and exercising....which one is it? Possibly combination. Does it do something with certain toxins/metals by making them more excretable? I've heard of something like this.

I have ginger and lemon herbal tea quite a bit. I consume alfalfa with salads. I do ok on them, but they don't appear to do much else other than aid my general health. Which is fine, I need that.

Cutler isn't perfect, who is? Nobody, nor does anybody have the perfect solution for EVERYBODY. However, if you're going by trackrecord/testimonies? and people's own experiences? Yes, the guy is about as close as it gets to an expert on mercury detox in my opinion. I could recommend other things, but I have to be honest based upon my personal experience and what I've seen help alot of people.

If somebody does well on high sulfur, that's great. I wouldn't necessarily say "don't ever use sulfur" if somebody finds they do well. However, for enough mercury toxic people, it can hurt badly and that is pretty common too. IT is also quite a good sign to find out if someone has a lot of blood/tissue mercury that can be readily mobilised by high sulfur. Unless the person is low cystein, then they might find it makes them feel better, rather than worse.

Trying things was my only way of finding out which mercury detox plan was the safest and most effective.

Cheers Ole!

YES BEX! LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! Listen to it first and foremost, if it makes you feel bad don't force it and continue it DOES not belong! It is that simple yet it is that confusing!

You can try all of what someone says works for them and others and it may make you nuts and you feel horrible! I have! Selenium from Broccoli or even some forms of other salts or vitamins which MANY say works well.

I truly go by what I feel good on and mantain! Thats what you need to do and stay with that, add things and see how you feel, start ouf slowly at about 1/4 of the dose and see how you feel and then go from there.

I took an Oxygen supplement last summer from Dr. Wong and I sweated the first time in years and had blood flow that I had not had in a while, but some say Oxygen is bad for you? I felt great on it, maybe I should start again?

I have a book called flood your body with Oxygen from Ed Mccabe that I have yet to read fully, maybe I should read it and see what he has to say as you read Andy's Book.

B-12

Dead on Sean! Dead on!

I don't listen to a book either.. I dont listen to the biblical doctrine, but Jesus personally in my head and heart. I also dont listen completely to a book like Cutler's, even i havent read it yet, but i'we seen parts of it beein discussed both here and on hi's own forum.

I even don't take the Hulda books completely in, and them i have read, atleast "The cure for all diseases" which btw i love.

But i can't even completely interweave Hulda's work with other sources.. Same with Cutler.... You have to fill in the missing gaps or bridges between these grate researchers yourself some times...

I have no doubt that Cutler is as brilliant as Clark, but they focus on two diffrent aspects... well.. overlapping, and Clark is more hollistic maybe? i dont know as i havent read the Cutler book...

But how then can i say what i mean about Cutler if not having read his book?
I have read his posts on his forum, and read about peoples positive experiences with his protocol here on this forum.... And... what Cutler condamns..

Cillantro.... i want to, i want to... but i don't daaaaare to (singing teasingly)...
not yet..

Btw.. Sean... listening to ones body.. yes.. right... buuut.. to find out, one has to try first... and try i did..... with chlorella.. and got seriously burnt....
It's a risk....

But what happens when we get so scared that we dont dare to try stuff and progress? we stagnate.. Life is all about taking risks and chances... sadly..

Taking informed chances and risk is what we have this forum for...
Weighing other peoples experiences with stuff before trying ourselves!!
Even then can we get burnt.... sadly.. because we all have our unique cofactors (diseases) and unique genetics... etc...

No guaranties! Only probabilities and compatibility.
I will ONLY try Cutler after all my remainding amalgams are out, and ONLY if the natural way fails over too long a time... only then... and then only maybe...
depends on how misserable life could be in the future or not...

For me... Cutler is my last ticket out... IN DESPERATION.
As i don't trust the safety of agressive chelators as DMSA, DMPS, ETDA, etc... even done in cutler style... too many backfires...

The same can be said about chlorella and garlic, etc...
It's all about individual compatibility, and the will to take the risk to try protocol 1, or protocol 2.. whatever sounds more safe to a person... at first..
One has to pick, then try...
I will continue on my route as it benefits me...
And i encourage others to follow their route as it benefits them (Cutler style).
But if stagnating with one of the protocols... then try the opposing protcol... (which you might fear at first).

Choise... it all comes back to choise.... thats what life is all about...
The free will to choose... not allways easy or pleasant.. but there's life for ya..


Ole.

I understand what you're saying but just for clarity...

These symptoms are all caused -- at the root -- by mercury. It just happens that poor mercury excretors often have trouble methylating B-12 and therefore don't produce much glutathione (via the homocysteine-methionine pathway), hence they have poor mercury excretion. Hence we have a symptomatic association between B-12 deficiency and these symptoms.

No big surprise then that most autistic kids have trouble methylating B-12; They don't produce much glutathione and are -- therefore -- poor mercury excretors.

Raising B-12 only helps if the person is capable of utilizing methylating B-12. Better would be methycobalamine -- pre-methylated B-12. This helps in the utilization of homocysteine (lowering levels) and increasing glutathione production.

Unfortunately, B-12 also contributes to the methylation of mercury.

So, which evil do we choose?

It would be nice if we could all just work together to stop our governments from continuing policies and programs that promote mercury exposure (chemtrails, amalgam fillings, vaccines, tattoos, coal-burning power plants, etc.)

Thankyou Sean! The feeling is mutual.

First.. Bex. i agree with you, and i know that garlic can throw the stomach off, even burn holes in it in some people.... i have heared...
I agree with your post.. You said garlic dampens.. yes its the garlic.. i can confirm that..

Ginger... try using real root from the grocerystore... but DONT cook the whole root... by all means DONT... im sceptical about salicylate overdose.. Its only customary to cook smal chips of ginger root for tea or whatever... for a reason.. not only for bearable spiciness, but also for toleratable doses of etc, salicylate..

About sulfur and merc.. yes i know.. about mobilizing and not blaming the chelators, i know... and the dangers of reccomending chlorella, garlic and etc to merc poisoned people... i know...


Sean... about starting-doses on stuff, and about (arghh brainfog)... about.... f***
about.... ehm... scrolling up again...... hang on...yeah selenium from broccoli... AND from garlic, etc... yes... i agree.. i practise in that way my self...


Russ... B-12?.. yes...
I get my B12 from red rare stakes, and i eat them with the safety of accompaning garlicbutter... garlic to kill parasites in the ~raw meat, and butter to dump bile to absorb nutrients and bump toxic bile which garlic and glutathion will suck up.

B-12... Did you know that if you had colonectomy of one of the intestines.. i dont remember which... then you wount be able to take up b12 no more?!
it's true.... how.. as you all know. nutrition is taken up in the intestinal system... not the gut or something else...

B-12... Selenium... etc.... leads to Glutathion... which i believe is what really is behind excreations while taking any so called chealtor.

Im beginning to suspect that it may have nothing or rather less to do with the thiols of the "chelators", but rather with glutathione... Mainly atleast...
Ofcourse i do belive and know that thiols binds to mercury...
But The main EXCRETION part im betting on glutathion for...
And other mecanisms for skin extretions etc... as we dont know about yet...
Peppers maybe?

hmm..

And Russ.. yes.. we ARE working together... but the choir isnt fully tuned yet...
........... Political... you wanna get political.... dangerous.... dangerous..
We ALL wanna get political, but we, or atleast I when i speak for myself is to chicken for that...

Oh i SOOOOO wish i were God.... Only then would this diseased world be sat straight! Well.. many others on here also qualifies to be God, so.... hehehe..

But i mean... our kind of people.... The rightminded and over intelligent and worthy.

I wanna save the whole world.. even the unworhty that doesnt read or belive...
That is unconditional love right?

But some times i say... well just f*** them... they destroy for me, themselves, and for all of us, so just f*** them.... BUUUT we cant f*** them, because we need them...
Why?? Simple... Either theire with us, or theire against us... indirectly ofcourse be unknowingly beein satans powertools against US ALL!!!

That is why im so angry with blind and passive people... ignorant lower souls as i call them...

Hehehe.. i can see myself in perspective having the same thoughts about the masses as the illuminati has.... maybe i'm not better than them?
OH YES, i know i am! Because initially i wanna save the whole world... not so with the famed illuminati.. not so...

They dont respect life, I do... but i get fed up with the "innocent" masses which by the way isn't that innocent with their passiveness anyway...
Theire passiveness feeds satans powers....

So i get fed up with them now and then... But i just want them to wake up... So that we can all fight this menace once and for all... thats all...


But getting political... count me out....
I just want to beat dis-ease and poverty.... living life as a billionaire and having intelligen friends to travel the world with.... and passivly beeing a player on the board to help awaken people now and then.... Help people seeing outside theire boxes.... Thats all...

Call me a coward... thats ok.. because i am....
But im contributing here atleast.. i am... and helping myself and others who also want to help themselves and others....

We are truly a privileged group! we are!
Thankyou Russ for gathering us! or rather making it possible!
once again.. Thankyou!

Russ, I have read that mercury toxicity causes dysbiosis, and those who have mercury toxicity often have severe bacterial overgrowth in the intestines. This in turn leads to very poor B12 absorption from the digestive tract. They recommend sublingual methylcobolamin.

You posted many big posts in response to my little request. If there is some actual data that suggests that garlic helps increase the levels of mercury excreted from the body please post it.

You made the mistake of lumping me as a blind cutler follower ole. I've had my amalgams out for over 3 years, most of that time I have been doing natural methods of removing mercury, like garlic, a sauna, herbs, healthy foods, healthy fats, etc... It was only out of desperation for some actual progress that I tried ALA chelation following the Cutler protocol starting about 9 months ago. I've always been one to read and investigate and I absolutely love the natural healing power of herbs.

You might think its a joke to ask for actual studies, but I think its a joke to believe what you read in the internet without questioning it further. Seriously, read deeper on chlorella. Everybody claims its like a sponge for mercury, there is no actually proof to back that claim up! Algin at least has some evidence that it actually does bind to mercury in the gut. If you want to read on the internet and put the puzzle pieces about mercury together, you have to make sure you are using puzzle pieces that are actually backed by truth and not just hearsay.

So if you actually read cutlers books btw, it says something different than what you believe. He does say garlic is ok to eat, if you tolerate sulfur foods, and that garlic will boost your immune system. He does say not to depend on garlic as opposed to chelation to remove mercury from your body, because there is no evidence that it actually does this, though he knows garlic has other healthy benefits.

He also says not to use cilantro unless you have tried ALA and can't use it, and then only use cilantro following the frequent dose protocol so you minimize redistribution of mercury. He knows cilantro contains an actual chelating agent that most likely crosses the blood brain barrier, but that ALA is a safer and more tested alternative that should be used.

Finally he say don't use chlorella whatsoever, why? Because there has never been any proof ever seen that chlorella actually binds to mercury, and people have come to him after being made much worse from chlorella so he cannot recommend something like that to ANYBODY.

If you want to depend on the internet learn more about your sources. You can't build a good puzzle out of pieces of mis-information ole, so don't pretend I'm just a blind follower of someone you have never even read about.

Also, use common sense. Even healthy animals and fish, exposed to mercury in the environment, all accumulate mercury. These animals are eating there natural diets living in very healthy environments in some places and they still build up mercury (and they certainly don't have amalgam fillings!!!). The longer an animal lives and the more mercury it is exposed to, the more it will contain in its body. I'm pretty sure these animals detox systems are still functioning properly, its just that mercury loves to accumlate in living tissues.

This is why you need something like ALA to get mercury out of stored tissue, especially the brain, otherwise you will be just like all the other animals and accumulate more mercury deep in your tissues.

A study on the effect of garlic to the heavy metal poisoning of rat.
Cha CW.

Department of Preventive Medicine, College of Medicine, Korea University, Seoul.

When garlic (Allium sativum) was administered to rat per os simultaneously with cadmium, methylmercury and phenylmercury to detect the protective effect against the heavy metal poisoning, accumulation of heavy metals in liver, kidneys, bone and testes were decreased, and histopathological damages and the inhibition of serum alkaline phosphatase activities by heavy metals were reduced. Such effect of garlic was not shown in the 1.7% garlic treated group and most remarkable in the 6.7% garlic treated group. The protective effect of garlic was superior to those of 2,3 dimercapto-1-propanol (BAL) and D-penicillamine (PEN), and nearly similar to those of 2,3-dimercaptosuccinic acid (DMSA) and N-acetyl-DL-penicillamine (APEN), the current remedies, while garlic was not effective as a curative agent for heavy metal poisoning.

Hi again Gary.. right?

I'm sorry i came across that way to you, about judging you... It was not ment in such a negative way from me to you anyway.. only a good discussion and trying to get you to see things my way... i dont know if i should say sorry, OR thanks for a good debate.. i'd go with the latter.

Anyway i don't agree with you, completely...
Btw, i question everything, and i am source critic... however, every source i come across which have connections to gov validated studies, i back away from as immediate corrupt info! Everything which didnt come from gov / sci - validated studies i consider with my content critic b.s filter...

Ofcourse i read gov verified studies too, but only to balance my viewpoint or angles..

Chlorella is used by industries for cleaning up toxic heavy metal spills!
again... google...



I'we heared that one before, but as i mentioned above, f*** sources, especially gov validated political correct "sci" studies... Be not mainly source critic, but content critical!

You cant build a good puzzle out of mal pieces.... i agree!
but i consider gov / industri / etc info, mal pieces or partly or most probably mis-info. If i doubt at that, then i read, and most possible just frown upon it after 5-10 minutes as reading it confirmed my scepcism about the source, the source beein gov related or industri sponsored data....

Btw, i'we brushed up on some of your older posts.... ok, i did know too little about your background... you seem to have taken my current route in the past...

I wouldn't call Cutler advocates blind idiots... many reasons...
90% of people on this forum are great and intelligent people far above the general population of the world..

You and i are two of those priviledged souls...
However, i still think people thinking your way about sources, need to open their eyes futher...

I build my info on "content" and then proof from people on this forum and my own experiences... Before continuing to say garlic cant chelate, read about thiols....

You know.... why you don't agree with what i say.. you havent considered reading other sources (yet) than those that you trust in because they were organised and funded.... Such studies i treat as crap before even starting to skimread them...

because i usually pre-know where theyre going...
Plenty of studies say herbs worked for this and that in some study, however they then conclude the study with: the herb doesnt work anyway... might do some good...

Hehe.. now where have i heared that one before... "might do some good"... hehe



I use common sense... and btw i also use my personal God given sense too..
And i agree... i'we often wondered about the animal kingdom and toxicity... but you know... leave fish out of it a bit (they contain equal ratios of merc and selenium anyway = neutral to them (toxicity))... but take the mammalian species..

Why don't wild animals get sick so often.. or at all.... why does it say on hugh signs in the zoo: DONT FEED THE ANIMALS, also written below in a childish way.. (Animals speaks) WE CANT HANDLE HUMAN FOOD, We will get sick..

Why.......... Food additives... mainly. ofcourse incompatibe digestive systems, but mainly, food additives.. I belive pet food is more clean for that reason... as i have personally observed dogs and cats beein given human food by theire owners, tend to get sick... and pets given only pet food tends to be healty! (my own observations)

I mainly agree with you on this post yeah, but i took it abit furhter in my mind... here..

About you most recent post... either my english understanding is faulty as its not my main tounge, or i understand from that rat study that garlic did work, however that they just concluded in the end that it didnt... typical.... so typical of such funded studies....

As Russ said.. dont pay too much attention to negative herb "propaganda". !

Mainly... G... don't be source critical.. ofcourse be.. to some grade, however, be mainly content critical.. build on what you allready know, read new info from anywhere (even if you doubt the source), THEN weigh the CONTENT against what you allready know.... then later test its validacy by asking real people about their trials with the herbs in question..... right?! right!

I usually cant convince soruce critical people... they tend insist beein closed minded.. no offence..

However people on this forum as yourself, has demonstrated intelligence on my own level (arrogant?! nah), so i will give it a try convincing you to be MORE content critical than source critical....

Think... in its infant time, mercury info for the people.. there wast much to go on.. if back then for example.. if Russ back then would only be source critical, he wouldnt have gotten to know what he knows today, because there was no sources pro-amalgam toxicity back then.. only "source valid" bullshit from funded studies against amalgam toxicity... Think where "source" critical thinking would have gotten him then?... hmmm.... see my point?

If beeing content critical however.. you find you fundaments for valid, sound and good info, and sooner or later you discover that what you have read about under possible doubts, has been used for centuries by shamans and etc..... and they are said to work... then later you discover actual people living today that are also using these herbs, remedies and cures today, and that they say they work too... example... people on this very forum..

Friend in detox.. i respect you because you are here and have read and researched yourself, and that you also know the good aspects of those herbs we talk about.. etc... You are one of the priviliged to have taken your life path to forums such as this and learnt, and detoxed, and gotten better...

You're not blind... only source critical.... and thats a LIMITATION in my mind..
However, not forcing my way upon you..... not beein rude.... i do hope you can allow yourself to be taken to the next level and see past sources... (beeing openminded).. Ocourse i know you ARE openminded, but perhaps beein MORE openminded about sources and unfinanced studies... or rideculed studies for that matter...

Take care... and know that i didn't mean to be rude nor attacking... only arguing for more openmindedness and faith in stuff you cant have proof of, YET...
Read.... read more, peel the onion (the net), each day you will find something new. One day, perhaps today you will find plenty info that says that garlic WILL chelate merc.... It's up to you to belive it or not... I'd say chances are good that it does chelate due to so many of use here have noticed chelation effects from using it, thereby verifying the good claims about garlic from "doubtful" sources on the net...

Ta h*** with sources and funded studies... Not gonna find em beein pro to our cause... The puppetmasters own the media / university / "sci" outlets...

Nah... old widdow cures and remmedies... old shaman knowledge, old common knowlege of herbs and food, old times lost knowledge....
Plenty on the net... much of it may sound far fetched and too good to be true at first.... however try.... try? yeah i know you have tried.. i brushed up on your older posts... But... my main concern with you is that you may be too source critical... (sorry i repeat myself, i write my mind as it flows mostly)...

Therefor you conclude diffrently about the "true" effects of the herbs that even you have tried and seen working in you and others...

Sorry if i havent answered your questions.. but i cant neccaceryli answer source critical people and try to convince them.. its mostly futile in my experience...
wasting time...

Dont take faith in things without immediate proof, out of the equation my friend.
The more you peel the onion with a more open mind, the more you will see!

Alfalfa and chlorella, atleast chlorella is used to clean up toxic spills..
There are info on this on the net... however there may not me "valid" info on those, and by valid i mean big corporation study backed...

yeah yeah.. you'we see where this is going, for a long time now...
You know what i mean...

Disagree as much as you want to, but i encourage you to try the more content critical with faith and later realpeople validation, approach..

I encourage everybody to do that....
(Not sounding arrogant) Thats called enlightenment! Thinking outside of the box, breaking free of the invisible prision of indoctrination to belive in "valid" sources only, peeling the onion of freedom on more layer.... etc....

Cheers good budy in detox, nothing rude ment towards you..
But know this.... People dont beliving that the merc scandale was on PURPOSE... those i have not a shread of respect towards..

Good detoxing, health improvements, waking up more each day, freedom, and enlightenment!

Kindly..
Ole.

Btw Gary, i think Cutler is mis-information.. now and then.. here and there..

That said...

Dr. James Rota, on galvanism and the pulp (as a spark plug on the meridians)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIP7QX8DJS4&feature=channel

Maybe thats why you stopped your heavy detox Bex, the extracion of a tooth on a meridian that was responsible for your detox systems....

To compare.. tonsilectomy.. i have mine intact... (part of the immune system), most have had tonsilectomy..... those people have bad immune systems i guess..

Paralell... Dr James Rota... i could parallel this to... "pulp" - 'o - ectomy...
Taking out a part of the chi energy system.. taking out a "chi relay" for chi energy...

In my mind the pulp is much more than merely a pressure sensor for the bite...
It's also an "organ" for wirelessly transer of nerve signals between the brain and the body.... Its like a cosystem of the spinalchord whis is wired... My own deductions out of this info....

That may be why THEY tend or tended to put huge amalgams on our molars.
The molars has pretty much to do with most important systems for detox in our bodies, if i dont remember incorrectly...

sly bastards....

http://tuberose.com/Sulphur_and_Mercury.html

Garlic also has thiols..... and selenium!

Garlic is a powerful metall detoxer!

I think you need to read his book before making such statements. Its like judging the bible be listening to what some fundamentalists have to say.

Not all studies are to be trusted, this I know, but there are plenty of studies that if you read the data you can come to very rational conclusions in regards to mercury toxicity.

Living chlorella, does pick up heavy metals from the environment it grows in. This is really not surprising as anything living seems to accumulate things like mercury. This does not mean that it will chelate mercury after it has been dead and broken open. That is a ridiculous assumption. I might as well assume eating fish will chelate mercury from my body since fish very efficiently absorb mercury from their environment.

Consider the sources, chlorella is a big money maker, that failed to be an efficient source of food/protein that it was originally intended for.

Yes yes yes.. true... true Gdawson.. But about chlorella, it comes in both broken up cells, and intact cells... and in diffrent qualities... dead yes.. but however...



I know... but reasoning that way. we could also say that DMSA is a good moneymaker!
Tah da..... hehe


Going thru my bookmarks some more just now.... hang on...

yes but DMSA is backed by loads and loads of studies proving it actually binds to and excretes mercury via the kidneys...not to mention lead and cadmium as well. ALA is nearly dirt cheap and is the best chelator for intracellular mercury available today...not to mention its dozens of other health benefits.

Friend.. i dont give a crap about studies beein backed.. backed by who i might ask?
who?... gov involing studies.. big corp studies...

My info about stuff is backed be actual people using it..
Good.. as there are studies about DMSA, DMPS, etc... good..
I only know they work from real people on this forum and other places like here, cant be sure if it really works from just trusting a "study"

But i know it works from the people on this forum.. they woudnt lie all.. would them?
no...

But studies can lie.. and often will... regarding DMSA.. the studies seems true!

http://www.angelabaileyhypnosis.com/Glutathione-side-effects.html

http://www.ndmnutrition.com/News%20u%20may%20have%20missed.html

http://dshedu.com/Research/Liver/Therapy/AgentOrangeCleanse/

http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/klinghardt-heavymetalchelation.html

http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sit...er26/animation__organs_of_digestion.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/butter.html

http://www.dairygoodness.ca/en/consumers/food/dairy-products/butter/butter-naturally-wholesome.htm

http://www.drclark.net/en/cleanses_clean-ups/dentalwork.php

http://www.nutritional-supplement-educational-centre.com/l-lysine.html

Grapefruit btw... called "The forbidden fruit" in old times.. because it is initially a crossbread between two citrus fruits, and the result i red grapefruit which is a natural immuno suppressant...
Forbidden fruit.. now why would they call it that, back then.. hmm..
Cant have something to do with immuno suppressing properties of the red grapefruit now can it?!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapefruit

This site has wrong info on DMSA... protocolwise... but speaks about other chelators.. as chlorella and garlic..
http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p45.htm

http://www.westonaprice.org/splash_2.htm

http://www.infrared-sauna-reference.com/body-detoxification.html

http://www.curezone.com/foods/watercure.asp

http://umanitoba.greenmaplewellness.net/new/articles/article.html?artid=940

This i want to go to, but cant afford it yet... (Detox clinic)
http://www.atsumihealing.com/

Goji berries
http://shop.extremehealthusa.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VOCA&Click=1041

http://www.tibetan-therapeutics.com/About_Tib_Medicine.html

http://altmedicine.about.com/od/herbsupplementguide/a/Astragalus.htm

http://www.use-nature.co.nr/

https://web2.herbdoc.com/index.php?&c=1

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1308486986196644496

Anxiety symptoms... (identical to merc symptoms) and also ridecule to be called anxst.. all those "ordinary" so called symptoms...
F*** "doctors" !!
http://www.anxietycentre.com/anxiety-symptoms.shtml

In comparison to the above.....
http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/symptoms.html

Just to sum that up...


http://www.bodyandfitness.com/Information/Health/detox.htm

http://stanford.wellsphere.com/healthy-eating-article/detox-with-alfalfa/558553

http://www.ehow.com/how_4507058_detox-herbs.html

Mining GOLD with Alfalfa!... (Metal absorbtion capability)
http://abcnews.go.com/technology/Story?id=97907&page=1

Growing mung bean sprouts at home: etc sprouts... (Why the h*** eat supplements... ? why eh...)
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/37536/growing_sprouts_pg2.html?cat=22

A good example on scaring people away from good stuff: (alfalfa)
http://chinesefood.about.com/od/healthconcerns/a/salmonella.htm

This is what i ate some days ago at a great Thai restaurant.. (but i left out the cillantro for safety... chiken as i am..)
http://www.panix.com/~clay/cookbook/images/tom-yum-goong.jpg
YUM YUM!!

Not the same soup exactly.. but mostly the same i guess...
http://www.panix.com/~clay/cookbook/bin/show_recipe.cgi?thai+recipe111

http://www.youtube.com/user/GRIDKEEPER

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKAEPkwq2hU&feature=channel_page

For motivation!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLZxJZ70MQ4&feature=related

The "doomed" has a chance if they choose to.. "against all odds"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx796zSg5gs&feature=related

Energy vortex.. chakra glands...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj_kb1yrE-w&NR=1


and much much mucho more from my links.. but.... bother...

This is a mere 5-8% of my reading list which i have done... merley a tiny bit...

Cheers..
Ole.