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Hi everyone. I visited my mercury free dentist last week to discuss having amalgam removal. I am very chemically sensitive and do not tolerate even vitamins. He told me he wants me to try a product called Natural Cellular Defense - the ingredient in it is Zeolite. He said that his office has been one of the offices doing trials on this natural chelator over the past year, and he has seen incredible results. My dentist battled mercury toxicity himself in the past, and continues to take a maintenance dose of this product to keep him healthy. I of course discussed my fears of getting worse from the amalgam removal, and he said that if I can work my way up to 10 drops three times per day (before amalgam removal - you can take this product with your amalgams in), he is not worried. He said that this product does not pull out the good minerals like DMSA. I know he has a lot of experience with DMPS, DMSA, etc. himself and with a lot of patients in his office, as he replaces a lot of amalgams using the Huggins protocol. Has anyone else heard of Natural Cellular Defense or tried it? Thanks for your feedback.

I have taken Natural Cellular Defense (NCD). Basically it is clay. I took it for a month in May. This was before I knew I was mercury toxic. I still have my amalgams. For the entire month, since the first dose, I had incredible energy. It was amazing. I ran out and didn't replace it for a couple months. When I did, I didn't get the energy boost.

More recently I started drinking green clay in water. It is similar to NCD IMO, but waaaay cheaper. I had the amazing boost in energy within a few hours of the first dose. It last for 5 days, before I started getting detox symptoms. I feel better than I felt without it, but I am having detox symptoms off and on throughout the day and it changes day to day. I have been taking it for about 3 weeks now.

I just got my test results yesterday and found out I am mercury toxic. The clay and the NCD were part of the puzzle for me though, since they gave me energy the first dose. It made me realize that I was dealing with toxins. I hope this helps. I think clay/NCD is amazing stuff!

-Olif

Thanks Olif. That's really encouraging. It's amazing that you felt a difference so quickly and with your amalgams in. I'm going to look up information on the other clay products too. The testimonials for natural cellular defense look encouraging as well - but I've tried so many things that help others and do not help me - so I don't get my hopes up too high. But this definitely looks like it's worth trying. My chiropractor said that he heard good things about it with Autistic kids - and also said that he felt it would be a good way for me to start - he feels it is much safer than the other chelating agents and effective too. My dentist said that he did a DMPS challenge before and after using it for a period of time on himself - and it definitely lowered his mercury burden. Thanks again.

You're welcome!

My great results were short lived though. I am thinking that it removed mercury from the immediate area, like my blood, and I felt great. I then probably started feeling bad as it pulled from tissues.

I plan on taking clay and/or NCD after I get my fillings replaced.

-Olif

Hey there! I' have also been curious as to whether or not NCD Zeolite would help me with my problems. I am more concerned with the effects that mercury has/has had on my immune function. But the NCD zeolite looks promising. But, as we all know, there are alot of products out there claiming to have miraculous healing properties but it's hard to distinguish between the ones that actually do and the ones that don't.

I also know of a distributor in my area who is pushing it but because of the shipping etc. it is rather expensive for me and I'm a little short of cash right now. I would REALLY like to knw how it goes for you if u decide to try it.

and If there are ANY experiences. please share it with me, as I am eager to do something that will help my health but I don't want to be taken for a ride.

Hi Sage. I will let you know if it helps. I saw my integrative dr. today, and he did not know anything about natural cellular defense. He looked up zeolite on medline but was unsure as to whether he felt it would pull the mercury out like DMSA and other chelators. But we decided that I would do a 24 hour urine mercury before I begin it, and then again a few weeks in to see if mercury is indeed being excreted. He did not know if this might have properties similar to Bentonite clay, which he uses for detoxification a lot, but he said that Bentonite clay does not chelate the mercury out. But my mercury free dentist swears by this NCD stuff, and says that he used it with a lot of his patients with good success, so I think it is worth a try. I am afraid to go right to DMSA because I have such problems taking vitamins and minterals which I know I will need to do. I also know I can take this with my amalgams in first to see if I tolerate it. I am preparing to have my amalgams removed soon (but I am also so fearful of this as well).

So yes, I will keep you posted.

HI, thanks. I am eagr to kno what your results will be like. And I'm hoping that they are good.

If you feel any difference even after the first day, feel free to let me know. and if u dont... then also feel free to let me know.

Hey andrea, as a side note. I would just like to mention that there is no clear evidence that zeolite is an effective chelator but there HAVE been cases and studies etc. which have supported this claim.
I guess I am just unsure regarding it's chelating properties. So I think that your testing could really clear alot of this up for me.
thanks in advance

Hi Sage. I may not be testing the NCD for a few weeks, but I will post after I do. FYI, You can check out NCDTEST.com to see a protocol which is sometimes used to get a baseline and then do a challenge test using NCD.

Hi there Andrea,

I've actually started using despite my budget and I have found that it is excellent stuff. All the mental clarity, and ability to function properly is just awesome.
Although I am still not sure about it's mechanism of action. (possibly anti-viral). I have yet to see formal studies where the ability of zeolite to enhance heavy metal excretion is demonstrated.
But never-the-less the anecdotal reports were enough to make me try it out and it's well worth it.

I also learned a few things regarding how to make its usage more effective. I will gladly share this info with you. Get back to me if you decide to use it.

Hi Sage. I'm really glad to hear you are feeling improved mental clarity on the NCD. I hope you continue to feel better and better on it! How long before you started to feel beneficial effect? How many drops are you taking, and did you work your way up? I really want your recommendations that will help with taking it. I am going to start it in 1 - 1 1/2 weeks or so. I want to do the testing before I begin and then again afterwards, so I will keep you posted. I know you said it may have antiviral effects. I read in one place that it also may have antifungal effects, and I am hoping this is true because I have such a struggle with candida.

Thanks again. Keep in touch.

Well, I first tried it with normal tap water and I noticed no difference when taking it. (it made the tap water have a funny taste). And when I changed to using still spring water at 4 drops 3 times a day, I noticed a significant difference after the first day.
It also didnt give the water that funny taste.


The things to remember when detoxing mercury is that mercury acts as an antibiotic so if u have a parasite problem then that may get worse. So taking care of intestinal parasites before u start it with REALLY help.
Also, drink lots of proper (pure) water when taking the stuff as many people get headaches if their dose is too high of if they do not drink enough water.
Getting reular is also important as 40% of the zeolites are eliminated thorugh the bowels. and very high doses have been known to cause constipation.

Hope, this helps you.

Hey there. that previous post just sums up the most important details to take into account while taking it. Have you started taking it yet? And if you do, please inform me of your results as I would really like to clear up this issue concerning whether or not it does enhance heavy metal excretion. Thanks again.

Yes please let us know. This would help a lot.

Can you give me the name/contact info of your dentist? I would like to learn more abou the trials. What does he mean when he says incredible results, people feeling better or mercury excretion is much higher?

Does anybody know why many people have headache when they take NCD?

I guess that is the detox reaction. many people report to have this headache which goes away when the dose is lowered. it is then possible to build up to the previous dosage without that reaction.

The dentists name is Mark Berkowitz, D.D.S. in New Jersey. (732) 591-1112. He seems to think NCD does chelate mercury. I am curious to see by doing a pre and post test. I have not started the NCD yet because I am waiting to get a urine test kit. I will let you know when I do.

Andrea

Where in NJ is this dentist from,i am too in nj and am very curious on his findings.

His office is in Morganville.

it would be great if NCD is a chelator. I hope that Andrea can post the test results soon.

I say try it in the meantime. You rarely find that people have negative experiences with this stuff. And it helps in most cases. And we will find out soon if it has chelating properties.

Andrea,

you mentioned in a previous post that you are hoping that it has anti-fungal properties because you are struggling with candida.
There is another theory that candida uses heavy metals to survive. That it attaches itself to heavy metals and uses these as a method transportation and that eliminating the yeast would be nearly impossible if you have a large number of heavy metals in your system.
It could also attach to heavy metals in the gut. Possiblity.

So it has anti-viral properties because it prevents viral replication by trapping the multiplying viruses.
And technically speaking it does help indirectly to reduce the candida because it removes it's trump card for survival and therefore allows you to eliminate it completely.
But that is, of course, depepndant on zeolites ability to enhance the excretion of heavy metals.

For got to sign, that was me answering your question on it's ability to help rid yourself of candida.

Thanks Sage. I spoke with my dentist today about labs for testing. My dr. had given me a scrip for a non alternative lab, and my dentist recommended I use an alternative one. So I am waiting for the kit. I was wrong - my dentist is not doing trials in his office. But he has several patients taking it and feeling better. He himself did a DMPS challenge (on himself before taking it), took NCD for 6 weeks, and then did another DMPS challenge showing it lowered his mercury levels. He strongly believes in this product, and I think is going to be educating other dentists about its use. I have known him for about five years now and really trust him. So I hope it is true. He did tell me to take it really slow increasing my dosage because I am so chemically sensitive - he said the detox effects might be too great otherwise. So as soon as I get the test kit, I will do the pretest, and then try to slowly get myself on the NCD, and then do a follow-up test.

I agree with Sage - others who are not planning to test it like this should try it and see how they feel, and let the rest of us know in the meanwhile.

I take it and makes me feel better. I heard of many other people that report an increase in energy and wellbeing.
Professor Boyd tested it and said it did not attach to the mercury in vitro. The product also has aluminium in it, but in a form that appears to be harmless. The FDA says it is a safe substance - whatever that means. I read some research about zeolites that show decreased toxin damage in rats that were fed zeolites. What I don't like about the company is that they claim NCD can chelate but fail to publish an study that clearly shows increased Hg excretion. I believe that many healthcare professionals recommend it because people feel better when they take it, not because they found that it is an effective chelator.

When I look at the facts i would say it can't chelate.
From my personal unscientific experience i would say it is possible that it helps with mercury excretion.

To be honest, I spoke with many doctors regarding this product and they all say that it removes heavy metals from the blood and does not pull it from the tissue/organs.
That could explain people feel great after taking it, and experience continous improvements but usually have to remain on a very low maintenance dose to keep themselves feeling 100 % better. becuase more of the toxins/heavy metals are being pulled from the tissues and organs because of the decrease of metals in the blood and need to be removed as they are released.

But once again, this is ALL just theory...

It is does remove mercury from the blood (I realize you're not sure), I wonder if it would be good to take it while taking something that does remove mercury from tissue. It could be taken as kind of a buffer during detox. Interesting.

Andrea,

Did he say how much he had been taking and how much it had lowered his mercury burden by?

and how long did he stay at that dosage before he dropped down to the "maintenance dose" that he is taking now?

Well to use a common sense theory,if it actually chelates from the tissue there would be no need to use dmps for a chalenge test.
Dmps and dmsa are chelators,so basically that was a waste of time,and the results from that are useless.

I think that the point is to use the nCD itself as the chelator.
What I mean by this is to test the mercury excretion levels without using DMPS. To see if it increases mercury elimination.

The DMPS part could be used to see whether it has decreased your total mercury burden. Not to see whether or not it facilitates heavy metal excretion. Although one could assume it does if it does lower your levels significantly.

My dentist was taking 15 drops 3X per day, I think. He said he took it six weeks between testing, and I don't know long he did that total. He had chelated years ago using DMPS, and I'm not sure what else he had used. But apparently he still had some mercury in his system. He said the maintenance dose is 3 drops per day which I think he plans to to take on an ongoing basis. I am not positive about what I am reporthing though as we spoke about this about 1 1/2 months ago.

I think that the way he tested using DMPS was to see if it lowered his total body burden. And he said it did. The test I want to do is to see if I actually excrete mercury while using it.

The maintenance dose is 3 drops 3 times a day.

I am going to see If I can get a urine tox test somewhere where I live.

Could you find out those details from him in the meantime. What dose was he taking and for how long until he dropped to maintenance. And did he have amalgams?

Sorry, I meant to say he is taking 3 drops 3x/day - the maintenance dose. And he had his amalgams removed a long time ago, before he ever did DMPS. I will find out how long he took that dose, but it may have been shorter for him because he was not as toxic as many when he took it, having chelated over the years. He told me he thought I would need about six months. I can ask him how long he took it at the higher dose when I see him next, but it may be a little while (at least until I get the results of my tests).

what color does your NCD have? My NCD is a transparent tasteless liquid. I heard people on an other board said it was brown??? But that must be an other zeolite stuff, right?

Mine is colourless and tasteless as well. But they say on the package insert that due to the fact that it comes from all natural sources, that appearance may vary. not to worry, it's all the same stuff.

The only time I can actually taste the zeolites is when I put it in impure water. then it's almost like I can taste the impurities in it. I guess that's a good sign.

How are you finding the product?

Good News!

I am getting the test done. But will probably only be able to do it some time in the next month because of my other issues. Parasite problems, a sluggish liver etc. But I will keep you posted as to what my results are.

And have you received your tests yet Andrea?

I would never chelate with amalgams in place. A chelating agent will chelate metals; whether in amalgams or in your blood or tissues. Listen to Olif when he says the benefits were short lived... get those amalgams OUT before you chelate. Maybe a healthier person could tolerate NCD with amalgams in place, but you've already stated you are a sensitive individual. Pam (new to this forum but not new to mercury)

Looking for an inexpensive chelator? Try using over-the-counter alpha lipoic acid. Although marketed as an anti-oxidant, more and more people are finding it useful as a heavy metal chelator. At this point, it might be the only chelator to remove mercury from the brain... it works VERY well over at my house! I take 25 mgs every 3 hours for 72 hours.. then off for 4 days before starting all over again. Take a look at the work and experience of Andy Cutler.

My dentist, and the company making NCD, both claim that NCD is safe even with amalgams in. My dentist wants me to try to get on to NCD before removing amalgams as a measure of safety. He wants to make sure that if I get almalgams removed, there will be something I can tolerate that will remove the mercury from my body. Because I am so sensitive, I am afraid to just remove the amalgams with the chance that I cannot tolerate chelating at all. I have read in several places that you can take this with amalgams in, but it is recommended to get them removed so that you can complete the job without continuing to be poisoned.

NCD is a passive chelator. It will not pull out mercury it will bind with Hg that is in a fluid. Once the hg is in the zeolite cage it won't drop it because it has the highest affinity for mercury and the cage can't be metabolised. I don't believe in lowering mercury in the body when you still have the amalgams but with zeolite it should be harmless.

I got the initial test kit today. I plan to do the pretest in the next couple of days and then try to get on the NCD so I can do a post test to see if I am excreting mercury. My dentist said to try to get up to 10 drops 3x/day and then measure. I know that NCDtest website says to test it differently. Sage, how are you planning to test it?

I'll let you know my results when I get them, and keep you posted as to how I am feeling on the NCD. Wish me luck!

The NCD test site says to take vitamin C in the morning first before testing. Does anyone know if vitamin C alone will skew results by pulling out mercury? What exactly does the vitamin C do?

Thanks.

Andrea,

I am working on a host of health problems with my ND and I suspect that toxicity is the root of it all ( as is with 90 % of other diseases).
But my ND is very good and has a reputation of helping people reverse incurable conditions and, needless to say, he is very curious to find out whether or not NCD can lower bodily burdens of mercury as well. So when the time is right I will have to go "go"at the labs in my area to test my metals excretion. and then take 10 drops 3 x a day( I have done it before) and then perform the test again.
PERHAPS then later down the road I could perform a DMSA/DMPS challenge test to see whether I still have some of the stuff in my system.

And Good Luck!

And vitamin C by itself is supposed to mobilize mercury. Waiora's theory is that Vit C enhances the absorbtion of the NCD but absorption of NCD is a very complicated issue as this is the only product so far which uses clay that can actually enter into systemic circulation.

What could be done in your case NOT too skew the results would be to take a very high dosage Vit C for your first test(w/o NCD) and then take a much lower dosage the second time around ( w/ NCD).
Hope that helps,

Thanks Sage. I am thinking about just leaving the vitamin C out and doing a pretest with nothing and a posttest with NCD. The reality is I am so sensitive that the more vitamins I take, the worse I often feel because I develop a sensitivity reaction to them. If I am able to get myself on the NCD, I don't know if I will tolerate vitamin C or any other vitamins for that matter. I think I'd rather try one thing at a time. And since my dentist did not mention vitamin C (only the NCD test website), that's what I think I will do.

Thanks again. Good luck when you try the test next month! Keep me posted on your progress.

Hey there. Thanks, and keep me posted too.
It just crossed my mind, do you think that it is possible to develop an allergy/intolerance/sensitivity to the NCD itself??

If so, then I strongly suggest to a sensitive person like yourself to take precautionary measures to limit your risk of developing more sensitivites especially to something as helpful as this.

There are many ways that I am willing to discuss with you but the best thing I think would be to find out first whether or not NCD has been shown to provoke reactions in sensitive people.

Hey, I have just read the whole thread, and I was coming to the climax, (re testing for mercury excretion) and the thread ended! Boohoo! Andrea, Sage, what's is happening with the zeolites. I live in Australia, I have been taking them for 8 months, and I love the product. A lady here, who is a Environmental Scientist and is helping Cancer patients here, is very excited about the product. As she is a bio-chemist, she understands things at a cellular level, and said, she has never seen anything like this before, and is advising her patients to take it! We have seen some amazing stories, here in Australia.

Regarding the product, I personally, have talked to people, that have had great outcomes with the product. I know it is off putting because it is sold as an MLM product. But I don't think that is such a bad thing, as you can buy it at a wholesale price if you become a member (if you had to go into a chemist and buy NCD you would be paying retail price and the chemist would make the profit, why not it be you?), also, if you have a great outcome from it, of course you will tell others (you wouldn't want to keep it a secret- especially when you know that there are people out there with health challengers suffering), and they may buy it, which will pay for yours.

Personally I had chemo (for breastcancer) and I hear the medical profession all the time, spruking off about new advances in treatment, in reality, they haven't changed much over the last 20 years, (tamoxifin) I think that has been around that long, still the same old, same old. And how many people do the medical institutions have dying on their hands, how many have gone through chemo and died, heaps! Personally, I would not do it again, it wrecked my body, but NCD has given me a life back!

There are good products out there that are sold MLM, I know it is a dirty word, but maybe we should get rid of the old mindsets! Waiora is selling NCD this way, as word of mouth, gets the product to the people that really need it. If the product was sitting in a chemist amongst everything else, how would you know to choose it?) NCD was first patented as an anti cancer skin cancer drug (I think I am right here, please correct me if I am not) But for it to be used in the "medical Institution realm", and get the big tick, Waiora, would have to do 8 - 10 years of trials, it would cost millions and millions of dollars, trials would have to be so speciific, the established medical system, has it all sewn up. Through their monopoly of the health system, anyone that is outside of that doesn't have a say, if you can't beat them, you join them, and that cost big dollars, and they probably wouldn't let you anyway.
So that is why, it is being sold the way it is.

Actually have you heard of the ludicrous prices of drugs when not available on the health care system, and we think ncd is expensive?

I didn't mean to rave on so much, but I think for the first time, i have put down in pen (well you know what I mean!) How i see the big picture, and actually, I quite like what has poured out! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

kind regards Kim

http://www.kimfowlerstainedglass.com.au

Hey there,

at the moment it doesn't seem like I am going to be testing NCD anytime soon. I have a few things on my list first, clean out the gut(colon and intestines with colonics, diet and oxygen based intestinal cleansers), do a parasite cleanse for thirty days and then NCD and maybe a liver flush in between.

So yeah, It'll be a while.

I have nothing but good things to say about NCD. I have been taking it for a year now and I've had a huge improvement in my health. I started with the recomended dose of three drops three times a day. I moved up to ten drops three times a day, three months later. I dropped down to ten drops two times a day because it was detoxing too much too fast. I had ringing in the ears, ear aches, vertigo, aching throughout the body, twitching, floaters in the eyes, swollen tongue, TMJ, insomnia, hallucinations, hair loss, and brain fog, fatigue, and allergies, panic attacks, and chest pains. I could go on and on!!
The important thing is there all gone <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I have been taking barley green, carrots, beets, para 90, omega 3's, vitC, and b vit. I feel like a new person : <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I still have two more removals, I know that I will be my old self after having them removed. I drink nothing but distilled water and tea. I use Miarcle 2 for my home and hair products. If your interested in there products go to Miarcle2store.com. There soap detoxes you as you use it!!
-Treva

Treva,

You felt all of your symptoms decrease even before having amalgams removed? How many amalgams did you have removed so far? Did you take the NCD for a while before beginning removal? I am planning to try the NCD in the next day or two. I will start with two or three drops, and work my way up from there. Did you feel relief in symptoms even on the three drops 3X per day? I have a lot of the same symptoms you had - tmj, brain fog, tight muscles and pain all over my body upon being touched, exhaustion, etc.I also have chronic candida and am very chemically sensitive.

Thanks for sharing your story. I will keep you all posted as I try the NCD this week.

Treva,

What do you think caused your dramatic reduction in symptoms? Was it the removal of your amalgams, the supplements you are taking or the NCD? I know it may be hard to answer but sometimes you get a feel for your own body and can almost intuitively know what it is that is working for you.

And you were on it for quite some time. How long before you noticed a significant improvement?

I took my first dose of the NCD today - 3 drops. I am starting once per day and working my way up from there. I had to urinate about seven times in the hour and one half after taking it. I did drink extra like they said - but this is excessive. For anyone else who tried it, did this happen to you. I am continuing to drink more to make sure I don't dehydrate.

Thanks.

Andrea,
I had a total of eight fillings, I rushed out after reading enough to scare me about my fillings and had two removed. I ended up sick with a sinus infection in the middle of July of 2006. I was so fatigued, it took every thing out of me to just get up and go to work. I luckily have a desk job, I did alot of research while I was at work. I quit taking antibiotics every time I got sick. That took me not visiting the doctor, instead I went to my local health food store. That is where I met the women who taught me everything about detoxing. I take collidal silver when I get a cold or virus. You can get candida from antibiotics. You need good flora for good intestinal health. If you have TMJ, I'm sure you have alot of sinus problems. The liquid zeolite also builds your immune system up,PH balances your body.
I took it for about 2 weeks to a month before I seen a significant difference. I had four more removals, that is when my TMJ completely went away!! What a relief that was <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> It was almost as if my fillings were unlevel, in fact not too long after they were placed I went back to that insane dentist and told him he had done something wrong. He told me it was common for people to develop TMJ and made me a 600$ mouth guard. That thing was pointless, I would move my jaw soo much in my sleep that I couldn't keep the thing in my mouth.
I would start the liquid zeolite like you said 3 drops three times a day. In two weeks I would up the amout gradually. If you start feeling sideaffects of the detox just drink more water. I would call my friend at the health food store when I had bad detox days and she would tell me to drink more water. It always worked!! I also experienced bad headaches when I upped my dosage, I would drop it down for a day or two and drink more water. It pulls the toxins out and you have to wash them out, or they will hang out in your body and cause more pain. I do recomend drinking clean distilled water. When you get some fillings removed and start feeling better I would move on to Mycrohydrin. This is the most powerful antioxdant that you can take. It comes in capsule form, I put two capules in a gallon of distilled water. This compliments the liquid zeolite very well. It hydrates your body and puts good fluid around your cells. It also detoxes <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Be patient, you will have good days and some bad. Eventually it will turn into weeks and then into months. There will be more good then bad!! Detoxing mercury is a constant battle.

Andrea,
going to the bathroom alot is one of the side affects of detoxing with the liquid zeolite, your body is flushing the toxins out through your urine.

I think the combination of all things that I'm doing are helping me recover from mercury poisoning. I think not going to the doctor has played a big roll in my recovery. I use all organic soaps for everything. I'm also chemical sensitive, it has gotten alot better though. I have a schedule with taking my vitamins and good food. Having a schedule really helps, I take barley green, carrots and beets in morning on a empty stomach. Then I take liquid zeolite, I continously sip on water all day. After lunch I take vit-c, and omega 3's, this protects me from the mercury that I'm pulling out. I then take more liquid zeolite. Before going to bed I take herbal fiberblend to make sure I keep my colon clean. You get rid of alot of toxins through your bowels. I think all of it combined together is helping me recover. I also got a pass to the gym, I started a work out schedule. I plan on getting in the sauna when I get the last two fillings removed.

Andrea,

I had the exact same experience when taking NCD for the first time. Constant thirst and urination. it goes like that for a while. the theory is that the way Waoira processes the zeolite makes it unique in the regard that it allows the clinoptillolite to enter into your bloodstream and then can be excreted via the urine instead of just in the gut.
Some people even say they have a metallic smell on their skin when taking it. But I am not sure how you would measure skin mercury excretion. Go figure...

Hi Sage and Treva. Thank you so much for the information you shared. It is interesting because I also felt an increase in energy the last couple of days while taking it - I'm always unsure if this could possibly be from the supplement when it happens, or if it can be a sensitivity reaction (I often get an adrenaline rush at first). I am definitely continuing to take it and am hopeful after reading Treva's posts. Once I'm taking it for a bit, I am going to take a colon cleanser as well. Did you feel that taking it made you constipated? So far I am not constipated, but don't know if the dehydration is making it more difficult to go. So I will try to add a colon cleanser t some point soon. I just feel like if there is only one supplement I can tolerate initially, this is the one I want to try. And Treva - yes, I am sure that I have sinus infections under the TMJ issues. I also will not take antibiotic - up until now I just let them run their course without treating them. I know that the dizziness, pressure behind my eyes, and what seems almost like shadows in my vision at times seems to be related to the tmj symptoms too. But when I have that feeling of having more energy like I have the past couple of days while taking the NCD - the TMD symptoms all lessen. I have colloidal silver and will think about taking that as well when I have the sinus symptoms. My integrative dr. feels like colloidal silver helps with a lot of things. The only time I will take an antibiotic at this point is if I get a strep throat (which luckily I have not had for a long time) - because I do not want my son to catch the strep.

Treva, it is interesting what you said about removing your amalgams and your TMJ going away. I know fillings can affect your bite, but that is something. I have an open bite, and was recommended to get braces to widen my palate and change my bite - and improve my TMJ probs. But I am not addressing it now because I am hoping the mercury detox will take care of these issues without adding in more metals and toxins to my body. I wonder if the way my amalgams are placed is affecting my bite well.

Thank you both again. I will keep you posted - please do the same!

And I agree with you Treva regarding the healthy lifestyle. I also use all natural cleaning products in my home, soaps on my body, and eat organic as much as I can and nothing processed. My home does not have air fresheners or anything that would offgas. When I get new clothes, I wash them with unscented detergent and vinegar or baking soda to get rid of the new clothes odor. Leading a healthy lifestyle does help but I am at the point where I need to detox.

Treva, when you take the carrots, and beets and greens in the morning, are they a powder, are they juiced, or do you just eat them raw?

Speak soon-

Andrea,
Aim products offer the barley, carrots, and beets in capsule form. This makes it easier for me to take it at work!!

This is all very interesting. Treva, Some of your symptoms sound like they would be very hard to tackle even with smart detox protocols. I am interested in your allergy problems because I think that many of us here also share that problem as well as MCS in most of us. Has that problem also cleared up with the zeolite??

And I keep us updated Andrea as I am very curious to know how you are doing. Hoping that you are experiencing improvements with it.

Sage,
Yes alot of my problems have cleared up by taking the NCD. My ears were by far the worse, my doctor said I would have to deal with this as long as I had allergies. It went away!! I get slight side affects when I go through a cleansing.

Hi everyone. I am up to 4 drops once per day and three drops two times per day. I have been feeling more energy overall and less brain fog than I had, especially earlier in the day. Later in the day some of it comes back - but I still do not think to the same extreme as it had. Today I am more tired than I had been but I just increased to four drops last night and maybe that is why. I am not urinating as much as I had at the beginning (which is a relief because it was way too much), but still am drinking a lot and going more than I had. I hope mercury is coming out. Once I get to 10 drops 3x per day I will take the post test. I was a little concerned that I was getting constipated at the beginning, but have been going regularly as well which is also good because I want to make sure toxins are leaving my body. I do get more energy after taking it and within 2 1/2 -4 hours feel like it is gone again, until I take the next dose. My 8 year old wants me to play more active games with him at night (he loves monkey in the middle) and I have had more energy to play (I hope this lasts for him and for me!) I am hopeful that this means the NCD is giving me the energy, but am still unsure as to whether a hypersensitivity reaction is still playing a role in it. Like I said before, every time I am hypersensitive to something I get an adrenaline rush for some time and feel like I'm getting better, and then a few weeks in my brain fog and other symptoms are dramatically worse. Hopefully this will not be the case. I think tonight will mark one week that I am taking this stuff. On Thursday I am going for a colonic and hopefully that will pull more mercury and toxins out and help me to feel a bit better as well.

Treva, I really hope that this helps me the way it helped you. Thanks for the info. on the other supplement you are taking in the morning. Sage, where are you at with everything right now?

It really helps to have you both to talk to while going through this. Thank you!

Speak soon-

Treva, what problems were you having with your ears that cleared up? I get pressure in my ears a lot related to the TMJ and dizziness. This is related to hypersensitivity and allergies as well.

Thanks.

Andrea,
I felt the pressure in my ears as well, along with ear aches constantly. Sometimes I felt as if there was water moving around in my ears. This would make it hard for me to hear at times.
The energy is related to the NCD removing the toxins. I still get the energy rush after I take the NCD. It never went away except when I've been sick. It sounds to me like your on the right path!! How many fillings do you have?
When I had the removal of the one that was throwing my bite off, I didn't have any more jaw aches. My dentist had me come in for a visit on it's own to make sure my bite was level. He acually redid my bite by taking some enamel off my back teeth. No complaints from me because it worked!! I know first hand how awful the TMJ is. The NCD played a big roll in it, I quit having nightmares that would disrupt my sleep. I would wake up with my jaw cocked soo far to one side it would scare me. Toxins play a big roll in disrupting your sleep!!
Keep me posted on how your doing, don't hesitate to ask me any kind of questions you have.
-Treva

I'm doing alot better with my sensitivty problems since I've been on the NCD. I don't have any of the problems that I used to have except when I'm going through a cleansing. The symptoms lessen the longer that I take the NCD. In fact I just had a cleansing this past week. I had the sore tongue for a day or two, where you get little red bumps and they make my tongue sore. Then I was more tired than usual for a couple of days. I had dizzyness yesterday at work, I just drank more water and it went away. I had red burning eyes for part of the day. It has all subsided, I felt good all day today! I have experience all the side affects over and over again throughout my detox. But there nothing compared to what I went through day after day a year ago. I haven't had the panic attacks or the feeling of not being able to breath in a long time. That was the worse feeling!!
The friend of mine who owns a health food store, she said you acually go back detoxing with NCD. She said if you've had any bad illnesses you will experience a little bit of it. She said it's the body healing itself. I know I still have alot learn about it. The waiora web site dosen't offer alot of info. I had to ask her all the questions.
-Treva

Treva,

I also used to have anxiety and trouble breathing. At the same time, I used to feel that pressure in my ears, and brain fog. Mine got better when I moved out of a house that had a lot of mold. But today I started to have that feeling when I did not feel well. I wonder if that is because I am going through a cleansing with the NCD. Interesting that you said it brings back old issues. When I was a teenager my side used to hurt (by my ribs). We never knew what caused it. My mother used to say I had "fibrositis" like her (an old name for Fibromyalgia). Yesterday, I got that "side ache" and have not had it for a long time.

I do have to speak to my dentist more about my bite. The orthodontic dentist I saw said that my palate is very narrow - when I put my hand in my mouth and manually widen my top teeth (widen my palate) my brain fog lifts some. I really hope that amalgam removal and detox will be enough so that I do not need some type of orthodontic treatment to widen my palate and correct my bite. I was told that I have an open bite - my teeth don't touch. My bottom jaw does seem a bit too forward - and posture is off (head goes a little forward) when I stand up straight. These are all issues of TMJ. I have six amalgams

Your experience with this is very encouraging. I hope I follow a similar path. I have a good friend with MCS and told her how you are improving on the NCD. She said that she knows someone else who tried NCD and also said it helped their chemical sensitivity. She wants to try it too.

Did you have candida problems. Mine is bad, but I do feel like it bothers me less while taking the NCD as well.

Thank you again! I am glad you are feeling better after going through a "cleanse."

Be well!

Andrea,
I had candida as well, I tried the diets but was unable to follow them like other people on here. I noticed after taking the NCD for a while that I was not bothered by foods as much. I would get indigestion with some foods. I never had that not even when I was pregnant. Most of the time I would get soo fatigued after I ate, I would just go to sleep. I would get a sinus infection once a month. I knew it was once a month because it was always around the time I started. It just all gradually went away. I also have a hard time taking different vitamins. I have to be very careful because like you I will experience bad side affects. The good part about NCD you can drink more water if you start experiencing a bad detox. You wash the toxins out quicker.
I didn't get the TMJ until I went to the dentist and had fillings in. That was one of the reasons that I figured out what was wrong with me. I also had the brain fog, floaters in the eyes, and I was also seeing a chiropractor. I noticed a small difference in the beginning but not enough for me to keep seeing him. My neck and shoulders killed me, I had swollen glands from all the infection. I don't know if you experience this as well, but it was a living hell for me. I'm like you I have little ones and I feel like they were missing out on things in life because I was soo sick.
My mom got me on the Aim products, which she has been on for ten years. She also became ill with asthma out of the blue when she was in her thirties. I've got her taking the NCD, I'm hoping she's like me and it's her fillings causing it.
Anyways if you get a chance look at the Aim products at www.aim.com. They offer everything in capsule form. I take barley green, carrots and beets. I also was loosing my hair, thank god it stopped <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I think everything combined that I'm doing is helping me. Aim also has someone that you can speak to about their products personally.
Keep up the NCD and drink lots of clean water, no tap water!!!
Keep in touch <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
-Treva

treva, how long did you have to detox to feel normal again?

I did well with the NCD then I forgot drinking water for 1-2 days and all my symptoms came back. did you experience the same when did not drink enough?

Yes, I was not drinking as much water and think that may be related to why my symptoms worsened over the last couple of days.

I never drink tap water. I get Mountain Valley Spring water - glass bottled water - it costs a fortune but it is very pure.

Treva, so many symptoms and expereinces you report remind me of me. My shoulders and neck are so bad and I go for weekly massages and chiropractic adjustments. They also make minimal but some difference, and as long as my insurance covers with a copay, I keep going. I also become extemely tired every time that I eat - it is horrible. Sometimes I will do yoga stretches after eating to stretch out my muscles and give me more energy. Often I take a nap after lunch. I work too and it is hard. But I work as a consultant and have my own business, so I try to make time to lay down for at least 1/2 hour every afternoon. It was also interesting what you said about having trouble hearing. I have trouble hearing and with auditory processing (I never used to) - I have to ask people to repeat themselves a lot. Sometimes at work, people talk to me and I missed part of the conversation.

Thanks for the information on the supplements. I will look into it.

Be well-

Andrea,
I definently think you have the same reaction to silver fillings as I did. I think you will recover fine if you keep up the NCD and get your toxicity level down before removal. Have you had a hair analysis done? I had one done in June, my mercury level read off the charts. I upped my NCD drops then, thats when I felt like I was getting somewhere. I had some removals last Feb, I think I had released alot of mercury then. The dentist I was using wasn't using the right protocol when I had my removals. I know thats why it's taken me longer to recover. I've since found a new dentist, so my last two removals should go smoothly. I'm going to have another hair analysis done soon.
You have to sip on water constantly when you take the NCD, that is part of the detox.
wish you well soon <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Treva I have a question about the NCD.

When I started taking it, i was very sensitive and tolerated only 3 drops a day. Even at this low dose it seemed like i could not drink enough water to be properly hydrated. I was always thirsty.

After a few weeks it seemed like i could tolerate more and more without side effects. After a month I took 45 drops a day without any side effects. I drank less than when I started and was not really thirsty. I did this for 2-3 weeks. The last week I did not feel anything special. I did not feel good or bad.
It seemed like the NCD did not have much effect anymore. Then i forgot to drink enough water, i felt quite thirsty but ignored it. I did this for 1-2 days and then suddenly my old symptoms came back and I felt terrible. I drank as much water as I could, but was still thirsty. It was like when I started taking the NCD for the first time.

What do you think should I lower the dose? Is this a sign that now more toxins are coming out? or could this be caused by dehydration?

I would put the NCD drops in your water and drink them. You have to drink water with NCD. Your pulling toxins out and if you don't drink water you will be harming your body.

I always drink the NCD with water but suddenly i need more water than ever before.

Treva,

I had a hair test done back in 2001 that read off of the charts. I also did a chelating challenge at that time that read off of the charts. I have a hair test kit here and was going to do it. But I just spent a lot of money on other tests (a 24 hour urine metals before NCD, a 24 hour urine metals after NCD will be done once I get up to the 30 drops per day), a whole bunch or hormone tests (thyroid, dhea, adrenals, estrogen, progesterone, you name it). I hope my insurance will cover all of these as they are from alternative labs. But I guess I should do the hair test too because that will give me a good baseline level to compare to later like you are doing. When you do the test, let me know if your levels are lowered.

Thanks again for your support.

I spoke briefly on the phone to my dentist today. He commented that he has a lot of people who are very hypersensitive and have been tolerating the NCD. Thought those of you who are very sensitive would want to know.

Andrea,
sounds to me like you've covered all your bases!! I too have had issues with my hormones. They also have gotten better with the NCD. I have some natural wild yam pregesterone cream that I'm going to start using. You have to make sure there is USP certified natural pregesterone in it. You rub it on your thin skin a week after you get off your period. This cream costs 30$, I'll let you know the out come. I'm like you I can't afford going to the doctor. I bought the cream from Aim also. They have alot of beneficial products <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
You said you use all organic soaps, another good place that I get my hair and cleaning products is miarcle2store.com. There products detox you as you clean with them. They have alot of other neat products as well.
Keep me posted on your detox <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
-Treva

Treva, How long did you have to use the NCD to feel good?

Hey guys!

Woah, this thread has had some major activity since I last checked up on it. Andrea, That is great! I am so glad that you are experiencing a reduction in symptoms with the NCD!
One thing you said that really resonated with me was the mold issue. I still live in a moldy house and have been unable to move out and my symptoms are worse at night but I can manage to tackle it by opening all the windows and using a truck load of hypoallergenic dust-free, anti microbial blankets.

I am working in the gut right now. My doctor is working on getting me regular, zapping, then doing a parasite cleanse then I will add the NCD and when I am done with the parasites, I will do a course of oregano oil while taking Candex for any remaining yeast. Then it is back to building the gut

Andrea, They say that NCD is eliminated from the system every 6 hours. Would a 24 hour post NCD urine test be effective in this regard??
Just something to consider...

Hi everyone. Well, I am not feeling as well now. I upped the NCD to 4 drops 2x/day and 3 drops 1x/day. But all week, my symptoms are worse. My TMJ is so bad that every time I eat anything, I become extremely spacey, tired, jaw tight, and processing worse, and today my back started really hurting just when I moved. I am definitely feeling like I am having some reaction to this stuff because as soon as I put it in my mouth, the symptoms begin. I want to keep at it, but am much foggier than I had been. Treva, any advice?

Sage, it sounds like you are making nice progress with your program. How are you feeling? Are you making any symptomatic improvement. What you are doing really makes sense. Please keep me posted.

One very famous mercury detox doctor says that Zeolite releases aluminium into the body, but others have said this is impossible. Any of you clued up on this? I have never used it. I've heard it works well for autism, do you know if there is any evidence that it works for other mental states.
There's a message board for NCD. Let me know if you need it.

Yes, I would like information on that group. Thank you Dental Holocaust. I read about the aluminum toxicity issues. I know the company says it should not affect you. Honestly, the issues I am experiencing are what happens every time I take any supplement because I am so chemically sensitive.

Sage, if I make it to the posttest, maybe I will do an 18 hour collection instead. Do you think this makes more sense?

As far as the moldy house, I think we are all probably sensitive to mold because of the candida issues. At that time, my symptoms were so bad, and I happened to stay temporarily with my parents while my husband was fixing some things in my house. I felt better at my parents. Eventually we bought my parents house and they moved to an adult community. But now my symptoms are almost as bad as they were there, and I still live in my parents house. I think I become hypersensitive to any environmental toxins in my environment (which we are all exposed to every day). So I think the answer has to be to make your environment as livable as possible, and detox mercury, candida, and whatever else, if possible. I just hope it's possible for me to detox, as I have such issues tolerating the things that are supposed to help me.

Sage, how are you sleeping with your windows open? Isn't it too cold where you live? I know you said that you have a lot of blankets, but I don't think I could do this! My symptoms are always worse at night too. Hope you are feeling better than you had been.

Speak soon-

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AutismNCD/

I haven't been on it. I was told that it's not just people with autism on it.

Who is this famous mercury doctor?

Andrea, I think a 18 hour post test won't be effective. The NCD stays in the body for 4-7 hours. If you stop the NCD and do the test 24 hours later. No NCD will be in your body anymore and excretion will not increase.

I would try the following protocol(without the vitamin C to make sure that you do not take a chelating agent):

http://kitty98004.tripod.com/wwwncdheavymetalstestcom/toxic_heavy_metals_testc.html

or visit

http://ncdtest.com

Hope this helps.

Andrea,
I'm sorry to hear your not feeling well <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I would take VitC and omega3's with the NCD. The VitC protects you from the toxins as there being pulled out. The Omega3's protect your brain. I don't know if you can tolerate these Vit's though. Also I would try putting the NCD in your water instead of directly in your mouth. Be sure to sip on water all day!! If the symptoms persist lower your dosage.
At this point in your detox is called a crisis, you've pulled out the toxins now you need to get rid of them. If you don't wash them out they will hang out and cause more pain.
Also, Miarcle 2 has neutralizer, you put it in your bath water and it detoxes you. You might look into that to help your detox along. It gets worse before it gets better <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> You will experience all of it over and over again until you get your toxicity level down. I hope this helps some, let me know how your doing.
-Treva

Tell me if it has worked for other mental conditions such as depression, and we might have a deal.

Dental Holocaust, I do not know if it works for depression. It is said ncd increases serotonin production.

http://www.treeoflife.nu/zeolite.html

Andrea... I am chemically sensitive and am having success with low dose DMSA and ALA (3 months after amalgam removal, had to start out with 1/6 of a 50 mg tablet). I am now at 1/2 of a 50 mg tablet. I have been chelating for 5 1/2 months now. Andy Cutler's method is working for me.

Okay, Dietrich Klinghardt is highly respected in the field, and i've heard he advises against it, for the reason already mentioned.

strange.

www.zeolitebenefits.com/files/The_Story_Behind_NCD_1_.doc

"Dr Deitrich Klinghardt also introduced the product on 14-15th January 2006 to 100+ attending Medical Professionals at the annual convention in Seattle, for the Institute of Neurobiology"

Why would he introduce a product that releases aluminium in the body?

That was a year ago though. 12 months is a long time in medicine. I know that what i've stated is his latest stance on it. I got the info from a reliable source. But correct me if i'm wrong if you hear anything else. It's not something i plan to experiment with anyway, not because of the aluminium connection, but due to other plans.

Thanks for the reply anonymous regarding the DMSA. Were you at the point where you could not tolerate any vitamins? That is my issue. I have been thinkjng about the Cutler method because it is a few days on and several days off. I am wondering if this might be easier on me because of the break from the chelator in between. But I do want to try to make NCD work if I can.

I'm going to my OB-GYN this week who will give me results on my adrenals and thyroid, and other hormones. I'm also wondering if adrenal support might help me to tolerate whatever chelator I am taking (including NCD), depending on the results of my tests. I will see what she says.

How did you do after amalgam removal? Did your symptoms or sensitivities get worse right away? Or better? Or the same?

What symptoms seem to be getting better?

Thank you so much for your help.

Hi Treva. Thanks for the reply. I decided to make sure I take the NCD six hours apart since it has been said that it stays in your body for six hours. I had been taking it more like 3-4 hours, which meant there was more of it in my system at once. I have been drinking all day, and take it in water. I will look into trying the other supplements you suggested and see if it helps.

Today, I wore my old TMJ biteplate to see if it would help and it was not as bad. The problem with me is that once I start detoxing, my muscles become tighter - and the TMJ had started at such a bad state that it is unbearable. Some of this is structural - I can tell since the bite plate helps some. My problem is that the TMJ biteplate is made of nickel - and I was trying to avoid wearing it. But I had to work this morning and need to function.

Your support helps a lot. Thank you again!

Andrea,
I hope things are going better for you, sorry to hear that your TMJ is acting up. I know that pain <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Have you looked into drinking some tea to relax you before you go to bed? Also I used to rub aromatheropy oils around my neck, ears and jaw line to help with the discomfort.
Keep me posted on how your doing on the NCD.
-Treva

I decreased the NCD to 2x/day at 3 drops each time. I do not feel as bad today as I had. My chiropractor told me my liver was backed up and it was too much too fast.

Treva, what essential oils did you use to help with the TMJ? How did they help?

Thanks.

Andrea,
I had the same problem w/my liver getting backed up, I use to drink a tea from waiora that was specifically desighned to clean your liver. I also would take mycrohydrin capsules(antioxidant) and dump them (2 caps.) in a gallon of distilled water. This helps the zeolites carry the toxins out of your body quicker.
I used Olba oil on my neck, this is a great oil for pain!
I hope things go smoother for ya, I know that once you get those fillings out you will feel alot better.
-Treva

Thanks for the info. Treva. I know you said it took you three months to build up to 10 drops 3x/day, and then you backed down to twice per day. How slowly did you build up?

I really hope you are right with feeling better once I get the amalgams out. I am so afraid of getting worse, but feel like I have to take the risk!

Thanks again!

Andrea,
I went up and down in that period of three months. I was like you it took a while to clean the toxins out. It can be hard at times, that was when I would back down. Your body will let you know when you can up your amount. You will start feeling better and better, that was when I would up my amount. Now I stay at 10 drops two times a day. I feel good and it's not too much.
I spoke with a man who writes the articles for DAMS, he told me that once I get all the fillings out you will feel really good! Then your body starts detoxing, he said when the brain detoxes you will go back to old memories. Basically you will go through times that were really happy and sad for you. It made me feel good to know that I will acually remember. To me that was worth it in it self. I don't know about you but my memory stinks : <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> It has progressively gotten better though. When I would leave for work, I would come back in the house to make sure I shut the coffee pot off, curling iron, things that I would fear that would burn my house down. I had bad anxiety, always worrying. That has been a big burden lifted off my chest <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
-Treva

No, I don't have any memory anymore either. It would be great to get it back too! I do the same thing with the curling iron. Last week, I left the house for the day, and left the front door wide open and my pocketbook at home! I took a few trips to the car to carry out a bunch of things I needed. And forgot to make the last trip for my pocketbook and to lock the door- just got in my car and left! My husband was going to kill me! And the anxiety - yes- every day, all the time.

When are you planning to get your last fillings replaced? I am so happy for you that you have made as much progress as you have. You really did this right - taking it slowly and making sure you were ready for the next step.

I am going to try to go on a low dose of Cortef for my adrenals. My dr. prescribed it for me today because my adrenals were measured to be so low. I am hoping it will make me stronger and help me to tolerate detoxing.

Speak to you soon! I'm so glad they started a page 2 on this thread!!! It made it so much easier!

Andrea,
I'm glad to hear your finding out what is going on with your hormones. I'm going to go see a doctor when I get my last two fillings out. I figure there's no sense unit I'm detoxed. I know the mercury plays a big part in screwing with your hormones. I'm going to make my appt. with my dentist for the end of this month. Last year I had two taken out and ended up with the flu and the hospital. My boss would have a heart attack if I missed two weeks of work again.
How do you get your adrenals tested? How does the cortef help? Let me know how this works out for you.
-Treva

Hi Treva. I'm still going up and down on the NCD. I am taking jus 3 drops 2x per day for now but would like to try to go up again. I did not get the Cortef yet. I am really hesitant about trying it but do hope that it will lesson of some of my dizziness and exhaustion (and maybe help me to increae the NCD). I had my adrenals tested using a saliva test kit through Genova diagnostics. I had to collect saliva several times during the day, and at night before going to sleep. I will let you know how it goes with the Cortef.

That's great that you will be getting your last amalgams out at the end of the month. Please keep us posted as to how you do with it. You really got your life back - that is great. Do you feel like you have good energy when you spend time with your kids now? That is what I want more than anything. I function and do everything but am so exhausted and fogged as I do it. I really want to enjoy everything as I do it with my son.

Thanks for getting back to me. Be in touch soon-

Andrea,
You're very welcome. Sorry I didn't get back with your sooner. I didn't check back until now.

Re:
"Thanks for the reply anonymous regarding the DMSA. Were you at the point where you could not tolerate any vitamins? That is my issue."

I always could tolerate Allergy Research Group vitamins. I cannot tolerate any vitamins, even today, with soy in them. I'm very careful to look for hypoallergenic vitamins.


"How did you do after amalgam removal?"

The day after my amalgam removal I felt worse as I reacted to the numbing injections that the dentist had to use. Unfortuanately, as I'm sure you know, sometimes there is no getting around using things like this. When I had a tooth removed the dentist was so concerned that he called me that night to see if I was okay. On my next visit, two days later, he made me stay in his office until he felt I was safe to leave as I reacted so severely to the anesthesia. (The most caring dentist I have ever been to).


"Did your symptoms or sensitivities get worse right away? Or better? Or the same?"

My symptoms are very slowly improving. Last week I went shopping and ended up at a store that I love but that infuses the air with fragrance. Usually, I would not even try to stay because I will end up sick the next day for sure. To my surprise, I didn't get sick at all...not even the next day. (To be honest, it was a one time deal. I tried it yesterday and felt ill right away. So, I'm still not out of the woods.) However, that was the first time in 20 years that I haven't reacted to perfume. So, it gave me a bit of hope for the future. Overall, though, I feel that my symptoms are slightly better as I am not sick today from yesterday's exposure.

"What symptoms seem to be getting better?"

The one symptom that has improved permanently since the day after I had my amalgams removed is that when I am exposed to chemicals...my eyes do not glaze over. You are probably one of the few who would understand why I'm so happy for this improvement, in that you are chemically sensitive yourself.

I am also able to use two lipsticks. In the past, this would have been impossible.

I wish you the absolute best. It's difficult enough to suffer from amalgam illness, but to add chemical sensitivities to that was almost impossible.

i i read your post and i have started NCD for severe chemical poisoning.....i am having hallucinations aches vertigo insomnia...the lot!! i was wondering how long on the ncd it took you to feel better?
thanks you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Thank you for getting back to me regarding the DMSA anonymous. I'm glad to hear it is working well for you. I totally understand what you say about the "glazed over" feeling in your eyes. I would give anything to have that go away. I know that it is my eyes that make me appear sick - my eyes always look tired. It is great that you can tolerate lipstick now. I use a natural lipstick when I feel I need to be seen with something on, but go without any makeup most of the time. I would love to be able to wear makeup again all of the time too.

It is really hard being chemically sensitive on top of having the mercury toxicity. I really hope that this will get better with detox as well.

I hope you continue to feel better and better and thanks again!

Andrea,
How are you doing with the NCD? I hope your handling it okay. I still say once you get your mercury level down, you should have some fillings removed. This will help out alot with the TMJ. That adds alot of the brain fog and fatigue! I know I felt as if I was walking around in a daze half the time.
I added two new things to my daily activities, dry brushing and vit D. I have to say I do feel better in the mornings since I've been using the dry brush. I read on here that it helps with your adrenal gland. I have had all kinds of energy this week <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> You asked if I had my energy back? Yes, I got alot of energy back. I've been helping my 10 year old with his homework. Before it would be a big effort for me to help him. I had a hard time concentrating on anything.
Keep me posted on how your doing.
Take care,
-Treva

Hi Treva. My symptoms were getting worse and kind of scary. I was feeling severe pressure behind my eyes (it felt like a constant line behind my eyes, significant dizziness, visual problems - blurriness and a feeling of vertigo, severe fatigue and severe processing, etc. So I decided yesterday to see what happens if I stopped it - wanted to make sure I would feel a bit better again. Well, last night I felt more energy, and today I had a colonic which washed the rest of the NCD out and I felt clearerwith more energy at certain points of the day than I have in a long time. I still feel some yeast, but significantly less so than before the NCD (I was so uncomfortable then that I could not stand it). So I know it was detoxing something. My sinuses felt less pressure during certain parts of the day today (for a long time I have felt like there is no oxygen in that area at all - just tight and clogged) - and I actually felt like there is some air getting in there. These things coupled with the fact that I felt mentally clearer and had more energy today makes me think the last three weeks have taken me in a positive direction. So I do plan to try to go on it again soon, but am giving myself a little break. I am so torn about the cortef. I have it here and was going to try it tomorrow, but I think I want to see if I continue to feel clearer tomorrow without it as well. I still wonder if I detox more if I won't need the cortef for the adrenals, but also wonder if taking the cortef will help me to detox at a higher level. I've been obsessing about this a bit you see.

Because I am so sensitive I know I have to take this at the pace my body can handle. I seems like even 3 drops twice per day has been detoxing something. I almost wonder if I should take this stuff in rounds like Cutler recommends with DMSA - a certain number of days on and then give my body a break with some days off - or just take a break when it gets unbearable. We'll see.

I spoke to my chiropractor today about the tmj and the narrow palate. Part of me feels like if I had a removable biteplate on the top of my mouth that expanded my palate a bit - I might be able to handle the detox better. When I detox and my muscles get tighter, everything narrows in that area to the point it is unbearable especially after I eat (I get so foggy with squeezing behind eyes that I cannot think at all). But if I pull my teeth to the side I feel mentally clearer. So I may make a trip to my dentist who recommended the NCD to talk to him about the possibility of a temporary palate expander maybe (and about the cortef too). I've been spending too much money doctoring - which is something I don't really have.

I do think there is going to be light at the end of the tunnel - especially when I feel a better day like today. I do think NCD detoxes like it says and the effects I am feeling are detox reactions which is why it is so difficult at times.

Let me know if you have any thoughts. I want to try skin brushing too - I have been thinking about it for a long time. I know they do it with autistic kids that I work with too and it is supposed to help with focus, organization, sensory integration, etc. What kind of brush should I get and where do you get one? Vitamin D is supposed to be very important for immunity so it is good that you are taking it. It is on my list of things to try too (if I ever get there!!!).

Speak to you soon -.

Andrea,
I was reading tonight that by the time we develop multiple chemical sensitivities we are severly mercury toxic. It will take us longer to chelate. If you still have your fillings, it is unsafe to use anything that chelates. We, then, risk the chance of redistributing the mercury, and even worse, of it redistributing into our brain. This is not meant to scare you, but just to forwarn you.

My life since amalgam removal has become so much easier. This is not to say that my chemical sensitivites are anyway near gone. But the brain fog has been gone since the last amalgam was removed. This has been a permanent change for me. I spend more time laughing and less time crying. I can enjoy my family more.

I may have told you that I have spent countless dollars trying to treat my chemical sensitivites. Nothing has given me the hope that removal of my amalgams has. I still have a long road ahead of me. But, for the first time, I do believe that I am on the right track.

Glad to hear that you had a good day. Thank you for keeping us informed about your progress.

treva what is DAMS? I agree with the thing that old memories come back. I remember more and more things from my past that i had forgotten. It is a weird feeling when old memories come back. I feel like my brain has been frozen and slowly coming back. Unfortunately this process is very painful.

Dear anonymous,

Thanks for sharing your experience with amalgam removal. It is really good to hear that your brain fog went away since removing them - that is what I am hoping for. I do plan to have them removed - my biological dentist told me that he wants to see me be able to get up to 10 drops 3x per day with NCD first. NCD is not supposed to be unsafe wtih the amalgams in - I understand what you are saying about redistribution but have been told that it is safe for me to do it this way. I would like to detox some more first now, and then slowly get my amalgams replaced to be sure that I can handle it- starting with one or two amalgams only. I need to speak with my dentist anyway and wll discuss the problems I am having getting up to 10 drops 3x per day and his recommendations. I know he wants to be sure I can take something that will pull the stored mercury out once the amalgams are gone.

I really appreciate your feedback and am glad you are on the road to recovery.

That last post was written by me.

Andrea... I'm glad that you are so confident in the biological dentist that you are seeing. This mercury detox is really an individual experience and if this is working for you, I'm happy to hear that. When I first had my amalgams out I felt frustrated since there are so many different products out there. I got a bit of advise that I still remind myself of; recovery from amalgam illness is more of an art than a science. What works for one may not work for another. So, I think that you are doing the right thing to pay attention to your gut feelings.

Always glad that you keep us informed. I think that we are all pulling for you. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Detoxer,
If you go to mercurypoisoned.com and go to the page where they have a mercury free dentist, you will see a 1-800 number to call Leo. He is very infomant on issues with silver fillings.
If you don't mind me asking why was it soo painful for the old memories to come back?
-Treva

Andrea,
sorry to hear that you have not been feeling well, I went through bad periods as well. The main thing to do is to get the mercury level down so you can begin removal! You will notice a big difference then. I would see if you can tolerate vitC, it really helps out when your taking the NCD. I took brakes from the NCD as well but I would start back up after a few day's. It can be frusturating at times because I would have a few good days then I would feel awful. I noticed a huge difference after the fourth removal. It has taken me a year of NCD, Vit's, and six removals to get me where I'm at today.
Waiora offers a tea that detoxes your liver, I drink that all along when I'm going through a cleanse. I think it really helps out <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> You might try that if you get back on the NCD.
You remind me soo much of myself a year ago, I really feel for ya. I hope you can tolerate the NCD because it really can help you.
-Treva

No it is great that the old memories are coming back <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> but the dizziness, nausea, headache and all the bad detox symptoms can be terrible on some days.

Treva,

Thank you for the advice. I think I will try the vitamin C and look into the tea from Waiora. That makes sense. I had a really good day today again. I did not take the NCD today. But my mental clarity and energy are much better than they had been in a long time. Again, I think the NCD is taking me on the right track. I think I will probably try to go on it again with the vitamin C before trying the Cortef and see how I do. I am hoping that this will help me to tolerate it. At least I know after feeling awful from the cleanse, when I take a break, things are definitely better. I just have to brace myself for some bad days ahead.

Again, thank you for the support. You are helping me to stick with this - I am determined to get my health back.

Treva,

Waiora sells two kinds of tea. What is the name of the one you took? Also, what dose of vitamin C should I take? Is it Vitamin C abscorbate?

Thanks again!

Andrea,
the tea that I got from waiora is a cleansing and detox tea. It's called Herbal detox tea w/milk thistle herb. The vitamin C that I take is made by NOW, it is the one w/ascordic acid. I would take 500mgs at a time. You want to take it w/the NCD drops. I would start off w/500mgs a day, then in 3-5 days move up to 500mgs twice a day. I would gradually move up to 2000mgs a day. I was told to take 3500mgs a day, but I found 2000mgs to be enough. Now when you do decide to come down on the vitC, you need to gradually lower your dosage. The vitC will protect you as your pulling all the toxins out, that is why they say it is good to take w/the NCD drops.
The dry brushing is working out great, I do it while I take my shower. I know your not suppose to but it felt a little too ruff on the skin for me. Maybe when the bristles get a little softer, I'll do it before I shower. It really gives me an overall goods feeling. I hear it's good for your adrenal gland as well. I bought mine from a local health food store. It was really inexpensive for the results.
I would look into the omega 3's also while detoxing w/the NCD, it protects the brain while detoxing. I know you said that your sensitive to different things but this will help you out alot while detoxing <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
I hope that I'm some help to ya, I know how frusturating it can be. I had my friend at the health food store to call when I had questions or if I was having a bad day w/ detoxing. It really is comforting to have someone there to reasure you in these hard times.
Stay in touch <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
-Treva

Thanks Treva. I'm going to give the vitamin C a try. I have some cod liver oil here - I may give that a a try too.

We'll be in touch-