News you won't see in controlled mainstream media.

Hi guys, sorry to have been so absent lately, but I have been feeling crummy since Christmas. I had a few drinks of wine and some sugary treats, albeit mostly gluten free and got a real bad case of the bloats. My bms were getting almost non existent since September and I said to hell with it and enjoyed some holiday cheer.

I went to the ER got admitted to the hospital 2 weeks ago with severe bloating and pain...I looked like 6 months pregnant. I got diagnosed with ovarian cancer which has also spread to the spleen and omentum which is a fat covering of the large and small intestines. The tumors are too large to operate so they have to shrink them with chemo first and I had my first one yesterday.... and don't feel too bad today.

I was in the hospital for 8 days and got tested and poked and prodded and they drained off over 8 litres of fluids from my abdominal cavity. But my prognosis is not bad because I have been doing the candida diet for 4 years and my other vital organs are pretty healthy. They say that 40% of ovarian cancer sufferers are still alive after 5 years...that is better than what I thought.

I had my uterus removed 21 years ago because of precancerous cells but they left my ovaries and because they did the surgery vaginally they didn't see the condition of my ovaries...I am thinking they were diseased then, because of my lifelong chronic constipation which I have had since birth. I had to have anal fissures cauterized when I was an infant and have problems since. And thru my mercury trials and researching I have found that mercury inhibits the enzymes that digest the proteins in dairy and gluten..and that is what plugs most of us up. It accumulates in the colon and puts pressure on all of our organs and I think if you have leaky gut, pathogens get into the abdominal cavity and wreak havoc on all of the surrounding organs, including prostate glands in men. Of course you will never get a MD or dentist to admit that.

I swore I would never do the traditional chemo methods if I got cancer, but after basically doing an anti cancer diet for 4 years, which kept the cancer at bay...I figured I had better try it and then carry on with more alternative treatments if these don't succeed....didn't really have much choice....my situation is rather critical.

But I have a better attiutude now that the morphine has worn off, that is wicked stuff, but it sure felt good at the time.

The worst part of the depression and anger is gone, except I am thinking about launching a lawsuit against my MD. I have been begging him to do a CT scan or CA125 test for my ovaries cause I have had abdominal tenderness there for 4 years....he refused over and over, said it was redundant to do those tests, if they were positive it would be too late anyway. And those were the 2 tests that found the cancer. I left his office in tears and angry so many times over the last 4 years, ever since I got candida which he told me was non existant except in cancer and HIV patients.

And when I told him I had such bad constipation he told me to eat more fibre, and the lumps in my stomach were impacted fecal material...they had no pulse so they couldn't be a tumor...and guess what?.... they were the cancer. And I couldn't even find a new dr, all the good ones have left for the US where there is no socialized medicine....our medical care is going down the tubes fast. People are scared to be sick in this country.

But I am going to beat this cause I have lots of work to do in working to help spread the word about mercury....I am sure that mercury is the major factor in causing my cancer. Thank God most of it is out of me, I just have a couple of crowns and root canals to get out after I finish the chemo and have the surgery. If only I had known about mercury sooner and dealt with it then...but like my hubby says, "If " IFS and BUTS" were candies and nuts, every day would be like Christmas!"

Sorry for the length of this, but I had to share my story in the hope it will help some of you. Don't cheat on the diet and feed more yeast...it is not worth it. It would have happened sooner or later, cause my bm's were getting worse again...so maybe it was a good thing, it got me to the diagnosis quicker anyway. And the devil you know is better than the one you don't!!!!

Wish me luck.

Best love,
Sandi
xoxo

Hi Sandi, I am just speechless at what I have read , totally stunned. I am profoundly sorry for and upset with what I am reading has happened with you. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

This is just absolutely unbelieveable and what can one say? For this to occur to anybody, and certainly someone like you is devastating and I hope and pray that you will fight this battle and win.

I am sickened on your behalf over that doctor and the neglect shown towards you, when it would have been no skin off his hide to have gotten you those tests earlier.....but what is done is done and how typical that this senario is repeated with others also. I could tear my hair out when I read things like this after some medical professionals have actually harmed patients by neglect!! And totally unnecessary.

You come across to me as a gem of a person, a strong person and someone that we cannot afford to lose in this world. Probably one of the loveliest people one could hope to meet. Please keep fighting and know that everybody here supports you and is behind you in this and wants your recovery from this.

I hope that you'll get the chance to get those other dental issues dealt with, but it is very hard on you having to try and balance all of this, when you have so many things going on at once.

Thank you so much for all the help and kindness you've shown others (myself included) on here, regardless of your own suffering, you never failed to put out a feeler to other people and offer continued support and advice. I just do not want to believe this is even so, but evidentally it is. I'm half shaking my head here at this.

At any rate, I'll pray and hope that you will come through this awful diagnosis and that the prognosis, even if it doesn't "look good" will be turned around and that someone up there is going to allow you to come through and out of this and not have you to Himself anytime soon. So keep fighting and keep up your good eating and plan for more dental clean up and the prayers will be behind you.

Take care!!!!!

Love Bex.

hi sandi
im so sorry to hear about your cancer doctors should be hung if you ask me i have absolutely no faith in them anymore and think you have been treated so porely i just cant believe it you are so very brave and a real inspiration to us all i really hope you get through this im sure everyone on this forum will be praying for you.

I'm speechless!!!

All of it, Sandy, on top of what you've been through!!!

I'M SO ANGRY!!! I HATE DOCTORS AND DENTISTS, AS YOU SAID CLARE, THEY SHOULD BE HUNG!!!!!!

My thoughts are with u Sandi, don't let it beat u up!!!

Sandi, I'm glad you're recovering from the morphine -- that stuff is a doozy, isn't it? And so glad that your first treatment went well yesterday. I know how frightened you were about it and realize it must feel absolutey great to have the first go-round over with!

I stand right beside you, my friend, as you embark on your healing journey. As you and I have already discussed at length, daily prayers are being said for you by me and my family and by many, many others in my neck of the woods. I daresay that people across the globe are on their knees in prayer for you.

I'm here for you if, and when, you need me.

Just love you to bits,
SomedaySoon (Sharon)
xoxoxoxoxoxox

Sandi: I am so very very sorry to hear of this latest news in your health issues. I will be keeping you in my prayers, for a full recovery.
Also, you may want to take the time to check out Dr Lorraine Day's site. I have her video "Cancer Doesn't Scare Me Anymore", and it is extremely educating.

http://www.drday.com/

I'm so sorry to hear that you are having such struggles. Continue to support your body and improve your immune system. Dr. John R. Lee has good information about female cancers. His book is What your Dr. may not tell you about breast cancer.He talks about hormone balance-not just breat issues. He talks about chemo/radiation and natural things to do to help. I truely believe if we can give the body what it needs, it can heal itself. Now that you have found the cancer, you can start working on healing. Good luck and better days for you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Sandy,

I am sorry to hear what you are going through as well. You have been such a supportive ear to so many of us on the forum - so you know we all want to be here for you.

I am looking into taking Natural Cellular Defense for my mercury, and everytime I read the material they talk about the product helping detox people with cancer. It claims to to remove chemicals and viruses and metals and various others toxins that contribute to cancer. I don't know if there is truth to this or not but maybe it is worth your inquiring about. I think some people may take it along with chemo - not sure though.

I will say prayers for your recovery. Battling mercury has taught you to be a fighter. I know this is what you will continue to do.

My thoughts are with you.

Andrea

Sandi, I will be keeping you in my prayers!!! hang in there!!!


For what it's worth- Please please get that book, "Cancer doesnt scare me anymore" by Lorraine Day. She had advanced breast cancer and survived---even though she wasn't given that long to live.

Also I would try some of that Kombucha Tea. There is this tea I read called, G.T. Dave's Raw Kombucha Tea. It is fermented and has natural probiotics in it. G.T. Dave made it in 1995 and his mother's cancer left. Kombucha has been known to have this affect with cancer if you drink every day.

He uses the same cultures from the batch he made in 1995 for his mother. It is about $3.99 to $4.99 a 16 oz bottle in many health stores like Whole Foods- and you can also buy it online. It comes in tons of natural flavors. Mango is my favorite. It is a good alternative to sodas-
I drank a bottle of their natural Guava flavor and it really killed a cold I was going through last week.

Also drink plenty of pure water with a pinch of sea salt in between meals. Get magnesium in you also.

Raw almonds are good for selenium and may have anti cancer properties.

I also want to give you this link to a healing sound clip where they use "singing bowls" click on this link and you'll hear an excerpt. Certain sound vibrations like this have a healing effect on the body.

http://www.soundenergyhealing.com/Track04.html


Do not read the news at this time, and start renting any comedy you can that makes you laugh. Even Saturday Night Live episodes. Positivity and laughter actually alkalizes the body ph-- which combats cancer.

God Bless you. Everyone here is praying for you in our own ways-- and we all support you and are hugging your soul.

luv
Boldy

Sandi,

I'm truly very sorry to hear about your situation. I wonder if there is an option for freezing rather than chemo? It's something that's catching on in the U.S.

Just a thought.

Prayers are going up for you.

Thanks so much to each and every one of you dear souls....I am a bit overwhelmed and don't know what to do next....I sure hate the chemo...I will ask about the freezing..someone else mentioned it to me too....I haven't even got a dr assigned to my case yet, the one I saw the other day is having a baby in 2 weeks and she is just temporary. I am so confused about alternate supplements, the cancer clinic told me not to take them cause they may interfere with the action of the chemo....but I don't have much faith in what the medical profession tells me anymore, but I am kind of at their mercury...my cancer is pretty advanced.

Thanks for all the kind words and advice, and of course the prayers...please keep them coming.

Sandi
xoxo

Sandy I am so sorry to hear about this latest turn in your life. You have been through so much. I think its wise at this point to get them shrinking the cancers so they can operate and start chemo. You remember while you were dancing that my daughter was undergoing chemo of breast cancer, she is fine now and 3 years free from it. Has been back doing Plumbing for two of those years. So there is no reason why you can't beat this too.

I am sending you healing thoughts. the most important thing now is you keep a positive atitude about this , you ARE going to get through it

Love to you

Nan

I think its very true about the positive thinking Sandi, a friend of mine was diagnosed with terminal cancer and given only a few months. Well 12 years on shes proved them all wrong and just wont let it beat her. You are a very strong woman and we all are thinking about you and sending you our positive thoughts. Bless you Tracy

Thanks Nan, I hope to be back dancing with you again soon, )Nan, or Shalazar was my belly dancing teacher) at least now I know I am not crazy and why I haven't been feeling good for so long..... I know where the battlefield is.

Thanks for your kind wishes Tracy and everyone, I am feeling better again today, eggs for breakfast....make me feel so much stronger....I am going to eat them every day.

I didn't want to do chemo, but my gut was so full of cancer, it was the only way to get my stomach working again...and it relieved the bloat instantly and my stomach is moving again...I have lost almost 30 pounds in 2 weeks...most of it fluids and impacted fecal material....and I blame it mostly all on the mercury. Everyone in the chemo room the other day had mercury fillings...it is a huge link to many cancers and other modern day diseases....something we all know full well.

I am going to embrace the alternate therapies too, just as soon as my blood work comes in after the 2nd and 3rd test after chemo...if they share the results. I bought Ambrotose and the cancer clinic told me not to use it...so I will give the chemo a chance and see where it takes me and then will make some more informed decisions.

They told my cousin not to eat greens cause it would interfere with her treatment and she still died, so I am going to do all the greens I can.

Best love and please keep the prayers coming.

Sandi
xoxo

Sandi, if you see this -- sorry I didn't hear the phone! I've been cleaning my air filters and the noise was so loud I didn't hear a thing.

Try again, 'cause I'm here!

SomedaySoon
xoxoxox

Hey guys, I am taking some antioxidants and other supps from my ND and feeling much better. If I listened to the pharmacist at the cancer clinic, I wouldn't have the energy to think....I can't wait to try the stuff that Russ has recommended. Day six after the chemo is looking much brighter than day 3 and 4, that is for sure.

Sandi
xoxo

You have such an amazing attitude Sandi, and I'm so happy you share it with the rest of us!!

Love,
~Tia

Sandi

I wanted to add my very best wishes to you. You certainly have all the knowledge about the importance of diet and vitamins to help your body through this, and a very positive attitude. You go girl! Prayers coming up...

Nicola

Adding my best wishes and prayers, and so glad you are feeling better! I'm very new here, so haven't gotten to know many people yet, but I see many posts from you! Thank you!

When I was in the hospital, my oncology team of 4 drs suggested that I might look into the biogenetics of cancer.

I wonder if they ever consider the biogenetics of the predisposition of mercury toxicity and cancer....and root canals too!!!

Feeling much better today, almost normal whatever that maybe....had a good sleep and am taking some of Dr Matsen's supplements...that chemo would kill me before it would cure me.

I have to get the rest of my root canals and cavitations dealt with...check out this thread from the YC.....

http://www.websitetoolbox.com:80/tool/post/kiddredd/vpost?id=1666717

And this site in particular.....

http://www.whale.to/d/root2.html

Sandi
xoxo

I have reason to celebrate and thank God for small miracles....and I am hoping this is not offensive to anyone.

I had the most beautiful bm this morning, without almost no intervention, and am so elated cause that means the chemo is shrinking the tumors and allowing me to eliminate more toxins more efficiently. And we need to eliminate the mercury as quick as we can especially when we are chelating!!!!

Don't be afraid to talk to your dr about these matters, because it is a pretty well known fact that most all diseases begin in the colon.

Best love and blessings,
Sandi
xoxo

Hi Sandi, thats great news, i know exactly how you feel cos i had trouble for years and was really worried about never being able to have proper BM,s, i even went 10 days once without one, anyway now i take Armour for thyroid and plenty of unrefined sea salt i am having 2 or 3 a day. best wishes, Dawn.

Wowee, 2 or 3 a day, that is great Dawn, you must be excreting lots of metals now....keep up the good work!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Best love kiddo,
Sandi
xoxo

Sandi, can you email me at: gllancina@cfaith.com, I want to send you a private email. Thanks, Gabriella

Hi guys, I also have reason to believe that my botched root canal removal fed the cancer big time and the remaining ones are too. They are all on the same meriidans as my cancerous organs.

Gotta get those babies out pronto!!!!

Sandi
xoxo

I read that ovarian cancer is often caused by using a diapharm for birth control.

Yes that could be, I think mine started from a copper "7" IUD that I had in my twenties. I got PID and had to have it removed and then later had my uterus removed for precancerous cells...I think they should have taken my ovaries too...they left them to prevent me from going thru early menopause. They were probably diseased then too...and that was more than 20 years ago. The copper from the IUD probably reacted with the mercury in my body even then.

Sandi
xoxo

You say you have been on an anti cancer diet for four years. What does this consist of? Have you tried juicing or fasting?

It is basically a candida/heavy metal detox diet, no sugar, no gluten, no dairy, no coffee, no alcohol and only whole organic foods. I am actually just in the process of shopping for a juicer, I am going to try the Gersen protocol to cure the cancer after I do the surgery. It consists of coffee enemas, castor oil packs, Lugols solution, the same diet I am doing, and juicing 13 times a day. Wish me luck.

Does anyone know the best juicer to buy?

Sandi
xoxo

Russ has some info on juicers, Sandi ,somewhere on the main index, there is quite a bit of difference between them but some juice is better than no juice if you are a bit strapped for cash ( but sometimes in life I do believe you get what you pay for and i think this is one of them.)
Anaways, we all want to keep you healthy on this forum cuz you are a major inspiration so go for the best (and I've tried the rest, not worth the elbow grease )
A course EVERBODY here wishes you luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Elvis, you are such a dearheart...I am going to go for a good one, just not sure which one is the best for saving nutrients....and easiest to use and wash!!!

And who the heck is not strapped for cash after dealing with metal toxicity for most of their lives....should have married a dentist or a dr I guess..or maybe a good lawyer!!! HA!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Sandi
xoxo

Hi Sandi. I have the Greenstar juicer - I did a lot of research before getting it and it is supposed to retain a lot of the nutrients - this is why I got it. Unfortunately I have not used it in some time - I should pull it out again now that you mentioned it. Good luck with your protocol. We are all pulling for you!!!

http://www.vitalityplus1.com/product_info.php?products_id=38.

Hmm here you go,i posted this earlier,but somehow it did not go through,hope this helps. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Yeah I am leaning toward the Greenstar, but I can't justify paying $749 for a juicer...that is outrageous. Are they that much better than the Omega for $449?

Sandi
xoxo

Thanks for posting that Strength, I will give them a call tomorrow.

Sandi
xoxo

I don't think there is much difference among juicers. There are con artists in alternative medicine.My juicer cost under $50 at costco.
I think the best anti cancer diet is low in fat and high in fiber and excludes dairy except yogurt. Fasting periodicly for one week is also helpful.
An anti cancer diet should include lots of salads (with little or no oil since it has high levels of free radicals).
Other foods that inhibit cancer are cruciferous vegetables, onions ,garlic ,yams ,green and orange vegetables,legumes ,rice, apples, seeds and nuts..Cancer patients should take digestive enzymes. They should also take COq, ester c+ bioflavinoids ,selenium, flax oil, evening primrose oil, chlorella, wheat germ with vit E ,brewers yeast and royal jelly.
Is'nt the anti candida diet very high in fat?
Chemotherapy preferentially kills the fastest growing cells in the body and the cells in the digestive system are fast growing.

Hi Jill, the anti-candida diet doesn't have to be high in fat, but healthy fats are a part of healing and very helpful. Candida diets are just simply avoiding foods that feed yeast, like sugar, grain, fruit, honey, milk (lactose) anything too high in carbs (potatoes/corn). So anybody can do that diet, even healthy people who want to maintain their health. It's healthy for anybody, but necessary to reduce yeast in those that have candida.

To avoid fat is to avoid much of what the body requires for healing tissue, promoting bile flow and for the brain which is made up mostly of fat.

It's not about avoiding fats, it's about avoiding the wrong fats and consuming the healthy fats. Healthy fats/oils like fish oil, cod liver oil, flaxseed oil, extra virgin coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil, butter etc are extremely healthy. Especially if a person has mercury toxicity.

Even Hal Huggins suggested that he has not yet been able to cure a vegetarian from mercury toxicity for reasons he does not understand, He advocates proteins from meats, eggs etc and fats like butter to help healing.

I gather cancer can be the outcome of a toxic body, whether mercury, root canals, candida or whatever else etc. But I would not have any kind of qualifications to be able to presume I know what is best for someone with cancer. , but I would assume that anything that aids the immunity, lowers yeast, helps cleanse/detox as well as rebuild tissue etc would be essential in any cancer condition. But who really has the magic bullet? In the end it's the person's own immunity and body that brings about the cure, aided by whatever means necessary. I too have heard that cruciferous vegetables are the thing to eat also, anything that contains a lot of phytonutrients.

I think Sandi is employing all she can and doing amazingly well.

Just because a little of a given substance is beneficial does'nt mean that the more the merrier. Even re beneficial fats ,they should only be 25% or less of your calories .Everything we eat is protein ,carbohydrate , or fat.If one avoids carbohydrates, they will end up with a diet that is 50% fat and low in fiber. I think a high carbohydrate ,low fat diet is healthier.

A high carbohydrate diet is a disaster for anybody with yeast issues. Partly why we got into this state in the first place. Yeast feed on it very well, even "healthy" carbs..
Actually on another forum where they promote high fat in take (healthy fats), people are improving and doing much better. Especially those with combined metal toxic issues.

This is a response of a lady on another forum who has spent most of her life studying nutrition and healing from candida. She has helped and is helping many people. Read below her response to someone who was concerned about the high fat intake diet.

The truth is
good fats are not heavy at all compared to carbs. The good fats
don't even require bile to get digested and they go directly into the
bloodstream without requiring enzymes, insulin regulation or other
resources/energy from the body to absorb and utilize them.

please read "Taking the Fear Out of Eating Fat":
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foods15.php

And also read "Health is Dependent Upon Saturated Fats":
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foods14.php

==>Good fats do not add fat to your body fat, in fact they help your
body release, get rid of, excess body fat. Body fat is mainly
created by the body to store toxins away from vital inner organs to
protect them, and to keep inner areas from having too much fat, i.e.
around the heart muscle. Carbs create body fat, not good fats.

==>Good fats do slow digestion down so nutrients can be properly
absorbed from the foods eaten, which is the way nature intends our
digestion to operate. Most good fats get absorbed into the
bloodstream from the first part of small intestines, which is called
the duodenum, and all along the small intestines directly into the
bloodstream.

==>Good fats help your body pull nutrients out of foods, strengthen
and heal the intestines, etc. They certainly do not clog digestion.
What clogs digestion is carbs, and particularly fibres, i.e. veggies,
fruits, grains, seeds, nuts, legumes, etc. We've been brainwashed by
the food industry about the benefit of fibers. That is because they
needed to sell parts of plants they were discarding like the bran
removed from wheat, and because they make tons of money by selling
nutrient devoid manipulated carbs. Your body does not have enzymes
to break down fibers so they just bulk up the stools and make your
digestion go faster, which isn't healthy.

See articles about how damaging fibers are to the intestines -see
Facts About Fibers and Facts About Carbs:
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu3_2.php

People in Asia who eat a diet high in carbohydrates and fiber, (vegetables, fruit ,rice )and low in fat ,and lower in protein than a typical Western diet, live longer and have a far lower incidence of cancer than people in the U.S.When they come to the U.S. ,and adopt our typical diet, their rate of cancer goes up and their life span goes down.

The reason that happens is because of the high sugar high "wrong" fats diet (hardened vegetable fats/trans fats). It has nothing to do with healthy fats, if it did, eskimos would be among the unhealthiest peope in the world. IN fact, they are among the healthiest, yet survive on meats, fish and animal fats and that is it.

It is certainly good to eat vegetables and some fruit, etc, but the right kinds of fats are not harmful, they are also healthful.

You have to ask why are people getting fatter and fatter nowadays? There is more awareness now than ever about so called fat being the enemy. They are all trying the no fat, low fat diets, yet obesity is the rise. We have it drilled into us by the so-called experts to make sure we eat low fat, or no fat.

Look what its' doing? I know very fat people who eat low fat, and think they are doing themselvs the world of good and are nto getting anywhere. This is usually because of the high sugar and the fact fat helps satiate the appetite and line the stomach (the right kind of fat). So instead of losing, they can end up gaining because many things that say low fat are instead higher in sugar. So usually they stay hungry and consume empty calories.

Asians eat a lot of fish too, which is omega 3 fats/oil. ONce they adopt out diets, then they start to consume donuts, mc donalds, etc and become fat also, but that has nothing to do with what I mentioned.

The right Fats are not to blame, unhealthy food, high sugar, bad fats are to blame as well as lack of exercise., genetic predispostion/weakness towards that, toxic exposure and who knows what else.

Whilst the Japanese suffer from less heart disease (artery blockages) than the West, they frequently die of strokes and cancer, in fact overall cancer rates in Japan are virtually identical to European rates. All food contains fat, and the restrictions necessary to achieve this target mean that macrobiotics eat brown rice and fish and very little else. Furthermore, there is no scientific justification for this restriction.

Sandi, I thought you might find this interesting. ON a candida forum I belong to, the lady on there has many interesting informative files on just about every aspect of health, diet, the lot.

I found files on cancer and you may find this very helpful. You may have to join the group of course to read these files, but I think it's worth reading.

Here is the link to the group so you can join up.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/candidasupport/

And here is the link to the cancer files.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/candidasupport/files/Cancer%20Causes%20%26%20Treatments/

Thanks Bex, you are a dolly, good timing!!! I had to cancel my chemo today, I have the flu and a really bad cough..thanks to the chemo. But I think my body needed a break, time to recoup and think about some alternate treatments. And you come through with this site....thanks dolly!!!

Sandi
xoxo

lol, no worries Sandi. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I only HOPE that it might lend any further help or something you may not have read before. i am sure you have probably exhausted this issue, but hey, the more the better I guess. You can't really learn enough I don't think. It's a plague of an illness.

I hope and pray something in those articles is going to be a further aid to your already strong regime.

Luv Bex

No not exhausted it yet, I was so overwhelmed at first, I have just recently started looking at alternatives. The chemo helped initially and now it is beating the crap out of me, I don't want to do anymore. But I have to in order for them to do the surgical debulking, I think that definitely has to be done.

I appreciate all you do for this forum Bex, it really wouldn't be what it is without all your help.

Best love,
Sandi
xoxo

Although it was many years ago I took nutrition at UC Berkeley as an undergrad and I remmember learning that the amount of fat we need ,evan of good fat is very small and that an excess is harmful.3600 kcals =1 pound regardless of whether the source is protein ,carbohydrate or fat.

One reason to eat a low fat diet is that the levels of toxic chemicals is much higher in high fat foods. You are exposed to more toxins from your bacon than from sprayed vegetables.

The only high fat foods you could be speaking of in that regard is the unpasture fed animals. But one can avoid this by getting meat from pasture fed animals.

Also this is not nearly all the fats that were mentioned and your comments simply do not include butter, extra virgin olive oil, organic virgin coconut oil, fish oil etc. The good fats have nourished people for centuries. The new age no fat, low fat diets that we now have pushed upon us these days and never has their been so much obesity and health problems, but is it any wonder when they are not getting what they need .

I recall I went on a low fat diet and I ended up fatter, plus I was hungry all the time and I had no idea why. I kept going because I was of the mindset of today that this is what I should be doing. Finally, realising I was worse for wear I gave up and went back to my normal fat intake and those things resolved. Admittedly my fat intake was the good fats, though I really didn't know it at the time. I just knew that trying to go low fat or no fat was not working for me and increasing problems, rather than helping.

Interestingly enough, I got into eating a certain brand of potatoe chips quite often. They were done in the typical hardened vegetable oil. Being young and not really taking notice much of my diet at that point, I liked them, so I ate them. Not long after this, I began to get some concerning symptoms. I had pain or like a pressure shooting up my left arm, plus had feelings of faintness, almost like light headedness. Anytime I stopped the chips, it seemed to subside. I tried agian and sure enough the problem returned. So I stopped having them. Yet I can eat all the other kinds of fats etc and I get no such symptoms. So yes it is definitely the kinds of fat we consume and the worst are trans fats/hardened vegetable oils. They were the ones that produced those symptoms on me.

I know someone who went on the low fat, no fat diet and yeah they lost weight, they also looked sicker along with it. I've heard about people doing this and their skin can suffer for it also. The brain is made up of fat, the skin, and yet so often these days we are starving our body of the right kind and instead eating the wrong kind or not having enough fat at all.

The mainstream way of eating today has caused far more problems. Just like the mainstream dentists who tell us mercury is safe.

Jill I have no idea if you have taken anytime to read the links I sent, but I will provide another one here.
http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/index.html

You can then take a look at any of the subjects listed, and which ones are ones that might answer some of your doubts on fats or the amount etc. This information by the way is not from unqualified sources. Dr Weston Price is well known for his studies on nutrition and applying his advice and seeing the results is evidence in itself.

"How did our ancestors survive for thousands
of years consuming fats from nature? Heart disease was almost non-
existent prior to the industrialization of our food (before the
1900s), as well as cancer, diabetes and many other degenerative
diseases that are prevalent today. It doesn't appear as if the low-
fat dogma is working because cancer, heart disease and diabetes are
on the rise since the introduction of low-fat diets.

==>There was an interesting comment in Weston A. Price's latest Wise
Traditions Magazine: "Are We Really Living Longer?"

"there are some interesting statistics about
centenarians [people 100 years old & over]. From a video segment
recent aired on Nova, we learn that one 1 in 10,000 Americans will
live to age 100. US census data indicates that in 1990 there were an
estimated 37,306 centenarians out of 248,709,870 or 1 in 6,721
people. According to numbers compiled at the University of Virginia,
in 1830 there were 2,600 centenarians out of 12,866,020 people, or 1
in 4,956, more than twice as many as a percentage of population than
there are today. So much for assurances that this generation will
live longer than ever."

You talk about heart disease increasing despite the introduction of low fat diets . Studies show that people are eating high fat diets.I never said all fat was bad regardless of the amount consumed . Who is Weston Price? If I want nutrition information, I"ll consult my notes from Berkeley .
As far as people over 100, most of them are under average weight and the rest are average weight so they are obviously not consuming excess calories regardless of the source.
Studies show that rats who are deprived of food one day a week live 30% longer.
I agree that diets that are 10% fat cause you to be hungry all the time and therefore take in too many calories .This does not mean the more (fat) the merrier.
Iron is necessary especially in women of child bearing age. Yet a slight increase over the neccessary amount of iron produces a significant increase in cancer incidence.Also women who eat a low fat diet have lesser need for iron since they have a lower incidence of fibroid tumors (which cause reproductive probs)
I don't see too many fat Japanese. Maybe this accounts for their increased longevity.Even though they eat meat and fish ,I read that their diets have a low percentage of fat.

Jill,
If you care to, you might look at this link regarding the dangers of low fat diets. http://www.dietwords.com/low_fat_2.shtml

It mentions that the body requires saturated fat for many reasons, including the manufacture of hormones. The right fats assist in lowering blood pressure. Our eyesight is dependent on dietary fat and the human brain is 70% lipids (fats) and requires a certain percentage of certain fats to function property.

From reading the article, it looks like including good fats are necessary for our bodies to do what they were intended to do.

Here are some linsk should you wish to be introduced to Dr Price http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/history/biographies/price.htm

http://www.westonaprice.org/nutritiongreats/price.html

I'd challenge many to outdo his extensive knowledge, study, experiementing and travel in this area.

Interesting that his methods are being applied to this day with great results isn't it.
Here's another link if you wish to read further. Dr Mercola online also follows his methods...
http://www.mercola.com/2001/jan/28/weston_price2.htm

Jill,.
The Japenese ar naturally getting fats from their meat and fish, so much fish intake, so yes their diet is not actually low in fat. The right kinds of fats like this are good for the heart, brain and many other functions.
The Japenese diet cannot be ideal either, they are often short people and you probaby note they usually seem somewhat stunted, bowish at times in the legs. Their diet is not ideal , but does avoid many of the junkfood, trans fats, high sugar diets that the typical western diet offers.

Yet when you see them on the western diets, you see them grow like anybody else. And it's interesting to start seeing tall asians. Problem is, when they branch from that into the typical junkfood, then they grow outwards as well.
But the key is observing cultures, checking out any weak links each of them may have, as Dr Price has done around the world and applying all of the strengths to bring out the best diet that supplies the body with everything possible to bring out the most favourable results. Japenese have their own weak links Jill. They too are lacking in some areas, or Dr price would have opted in studying them to use as an example to the rest of the failing health of other cultures. He did not even use them. There were other cultures much more advanced in health than they were. Japenese are far from being free from cancers, strokes etc. In fact, they have a VERY high salt intake.

fasting? Somewhere along the line the person has to start eating again <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Fasting is the way to break things down. It allows the body to break down and release many toxins, and gives the entire digestive system a complete break and allows then for the body to start rebuilding from a cleaner slate and then with proper nutrition. I think fasting would actually be very wise...but is it wise for mercury toxic people?
apparently I hear it is not always the best for a metal toxic person. Can be risky. becaue the poisons need to be buffered and high fat is one way of actually helping protect the body against many toxins and also aiding in the body eliminating them, whilst rebuliding/healing tissue.

Fasting is great most times. It can help prevent or correct many a health problem I hear. But what does this have to do with the right fats? If one eats the right fats, they are actually providing the body with easy absorption of nutrients/energy, they actually do not require much digestion at all......unlike the bad fats which seek to do the opposite. Good fats also encourage the body to absorb nutrients from other foods.

Fasting of course requires none. If people are fed the right kind of fats, and plenty of them, not only do they not gain weight, they often lose it. Those underweight appear to start filling out. Either way, when the body gets what it needs, it usually corrects itself.

No it is not saying absolutely splurge, but when you consider what these good fats provide, they are simply a wonderful form of energy, but easier to digest. many people eat coconut oil by the spoonful and are doing fine. No problems. It's not to say force it all down your throat all day long, but right fat is simply part of nutrition. Dr Price also recommends cod liver oil too. He's well aware of the importance and benefits of fish, which the asians consume so much of.

They fed cattle coconut oil, trying to find a fat to "fatten them up" and what did they get? Leaner, healthier and more energetic cattle. They had to change the type of fat they were feeding them, because one just cannot have healthy lean cattle right?
Jill you would have to admit, that all knowledge starts from observation, comparison, experiments and outcome/results. I believe that Dr Price has been one of many that has put his money where his mouth is and outdone himself in all of this.