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ON WAKING #22388
08/01/07 02:25 AM
08/01/07 02:25 AM
tracy  Offline OP
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Mornings seem t be my worst time. Last night I slept quite well for me, but I still wake with extreme fear, I dont know if its a suconcious fear of the illness of its just part of it and there anyway. Does anyone else feel this and what parts of the day are worse/ better for people. Thanks Tracy

Re: ON WAKING #22389
08/01/07 02:37 AM
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Tracy, I know that cortisol is highest in the morning. If your system is out of whack, your body could be producing too much. This can cause anxiety in the morning. Do you take any magnesium?

Linda.

Re: ON WAKING #22390
08/01/07 02:42 AM
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Hi Tracy, yes I have this. I wake up with my heart pounding and feel afraid and often get severely depressed. I have woken and sometimes been in tears lying there.

IT depends how sick I am. I also get very vivid and horrible dreams most nights. This also depends on how toxic I am. If the toxicity lifts a little, these things are not so bad.

Re: ON WAKING #22391
08/01/07 02:53 AM
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Its so hard, cos I have days like today when I've promised to take Evie into town to buy her something to wear for my grandaughters Christening tomorrow and Im so afraid. Its just not rational. The christening is about 120 miles away and we are suppose to be staying overnight and I still havnt told my other daughter if we'll be going or not,cos I dont know how I'll be. I've been taking magnesium. which is about the only thing I can take. Why does it have to be so hard. Thanks love Tracy x

Re: ON WAKING #22392
08/01/07 06:45 AM
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Bex and Tracy, have you tried any Bach Flower Essences? You can try 4 drops of Cherry Plum under your tongue. I keep some next to my bed and take it when I wake up with my heart pounding. If it's really bad, you could try Rescue Remedy.

Re: ON WAKING #22393
08/01/07 07:16 AM
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Hi Linda, I think I have tried them before but cannot recall if they helped me much. I tend to try and ride it out or get through it after I'm up and about. But it would be a good idea to have that stuff handy perhaps.

I was given something onetime to calm me down and all it did was kind of smother over the top of it, but it almost felt worse. I felt more drugged than anything, but still with horrible fear symptoms underneath. I think it was a strong herbal remedy or something but I did not like it.

Re: ON WAKING #22394
08/01/07 07:30 AM
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I too have tried the Bach flower rescue remedies, but they made no difference to me at all. Tracy x

Re: ON WAKING #22395
08/01/07 07:56 AM
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i think it has something to do with the adrenals, i had it for the last 2 days, before that i was fine, now the fear is bothering me again.

Re: ON WAKING #22396
08/01/07 09:17 AM
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Cortisol is at its peak from the middle of the night through the early morning. The naturopath I work with online said that it is usually responsible for anxiety and racing heart upon waking.

The flower remedies can be powerful if they are used properly. There is an art to "prescribing" them. If you use the wrong one for the specific symptom, then no it isn't likely to make any difference. However, I have used cherry plum for over a year now when my cortisol is high, because it gently lowers it, and sometimes what it does feels almost magical. Rescue remedy can be good in certain situations but it isn't a blanket cure-all.

Linda.

Re: ON WAKING #22397
08/01/07 12:21 PM
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If someone has adrenals that are not producing enough cortisol than they will feel worse in the morning as well. Low cortisol is quite common, I'd say.

-Colin

Re: ON WAKING #22398
08/01/07 12:31 PM
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Colin is right. Increased heart rate upon waking can be a symptom of low adrenal function -- i.e., the adrenal glands aren't producing enough cortisol. Before people start taking remedies to reduce what they think might be symptoms of "high cortisol" it's usually a good idea to get some adrenal gland function testing done. The best test for doing this is the saliva testing.

Trying to lower cortisol when, in fact, a person has adrenal glands that are insufficient and not producing enough cortisol can be a recipe for disaster. IN other words, some people incorrectly assume that their symptoms are those of high cortisol (or overproduction of cortisol), when what they really have is not enough cortisol.

Re: ON WAKING #22399
08/01/07 01:11 PM
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This is true, and it can be hard to tell the difference. I am told that when cortisol is low, you are also fatigued. This seems to be a good rule of thumb for me.

Re: ON WAKING #22400
08/01/07 03:42 PM
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I thought cortisol will lessen as the day wears on - 4PM - 7PM start being tired - second wind 11PM-12AM - should be sleeping by 11 to avoid this....

Adrenals are llinked to the liver - your liver could be congested

Re: ON WAKING #22401
08/01/07 03:46 PM
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An Oberman test will show exactly if your adrenals are shot - I think a quantum biofeedback (body scan) will do the same, why gamble when you can know for sure? Your adrenals could be fine and its another organ creating stress on the body......




Re: ON WAKING #22402
08/01/07 03:46 PM
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An Oberman test will show exactly if your adrenals are shot - I think a quantum biofeedback (body scan) will do the same, why gamble when you can know for sure? Your adrenals could be fine and its another organ creating stress on the body......




Re: ON WAKING #22403
08/01/07 06:29 PM
08/01/07 06:29 PM
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hi tracy: there is a simple blood test that can be done to check your blood cortisol levels , you will have to give 2 blood samples , first blood test will have to be taken before 9:00 am and the second will have to be taken around 6:00 pm
this is how I found out that my body was making too much cortisol in the morning, and like yourself i also felt my worst in the morning ,but high cortisol and low cortisol can give you the same symtoms in the mornings ,( these blood tests can be ordered through your doctor )

Re: ON WAKING #22404
08/01/07 06:32 PM
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i suffer from both high and low cortisol, and its true, its all to do with the liver. im trying hard to get my liver working properly.

Re: ON WAKING #22405
08/01/07 10:57 PM
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I felt really terrible in the mornings when I had real bad mercury poisoning.

Not good considering I am usually a morning person, get most of my days work done before 1 or 2 pm.

I am a lot better, no lousy mornibngs for... ummm maybe two whole months.

Getting my work and chores done every morning again... siesta after lunch!!! Morning is my favorite time of the day, very early it's so nice and quiet. Indeed that is a misty morning sunrise coming over the mountain on my icon.

Re: ON WAKING #22406
08/02/07 04:24 AM
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sosick.. what did u do to get beta? i'm starting the epsom salt baths pretty soon.

i absolutely FREAK OUT when i wake up sometimes, i'm talking FREAKING OUT, like someone is killing me, or i'm being eaten alive by ants and can't move type of freaking out, and my dreams are vivid, repetitive, and the fear feels like a plane is about to crash into the room, its like i can see whats in my mind more than what i see with my eyes, and my head hurts like a racy, cold, electricity. compared to not being able to walk or talk for 6 months, years ago, this is by far a worst kind of suffering. i kid you not. there is not even peace in my sleep.

during the day on a bad day i will have a movie image of an event i wish i made a different decision on, and it will play for hours, so clear vivid and loud, its almost real, and i go into this virtual reality world, and i say to my mind STOP, and it keeps intruding on me and i can't. i feel i hate myself, but there is no reason, i feel guilty, ABSOLUTE REGRET, all my good memories are painful reminders of how i feel in the now.

i think anyone with fillings is in deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep sh*t if sumthing goes wrong or your allergic like me. i feel sorry for people so allergic to peanuts if they have a bit they die and stuff, i'm like that really sensitive to stuff.

if my doctor would give me morpheine i would take it regulairy, or if they would place me in an induced coma until this goes away, i would SERIOUSLY CONSIDER IT FOR MYSELF.

i cannot express in words the degree that this is affecting me, and these are only the things i can think of now. at least i can still walk is all i can say.

important question from me... does anyone else have greyer colour in the 'whites' of their eyes? what the *&&%%$ does that mean? is the mercury in my eyes!?!?!??!? they used to be really white.

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Re: ON WAKING #22407
08/02/07 04:42 AM
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Hi Benza, I related and have related to a lot of what you have said here. Including the greyish look in the whites of the eyes. Yes, I believe that is mercury. This happened to me after I went to a dental office and had a dose of vapor from being in there and stayed with me for a LONGGGGGG time.

I have had the most bizzare and horrific mental symptoms that they just defy belief. Horrible frightening vivid dreams nightly (crazy), waking up terrified for no reason. Being afraid of "thinking" or "speaking" to other people. I've had movies or programmes etc that I have watched replay in my mind without me having any control over it or being able to stop it, I mean all the stuff I watched since I got this ill can replay over and over and I will re-experience all the feelings I've had over these few years as it happens.

Yes it sounds crazy, but I cannot help it. This usually happens when I get a release of toxins. Dental toxicity and infections have pretty much ruined much of my life.

So yeah, I relate!

Re: ON WAKING #22408
08/02/07 03:26 PM
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Benza,

I spent a good few thousand bucks chelating with an integrative med doctor, IV EDTA and DMPS, also an at home DMSA formula he gave me, and which I am able to order online alo (same formula) at healthmasters.com, the chelation therapy.

I do not think the oral chelators would have worked for me very well if I wasn't doing the IV chelation already. I was really sick, pretty much missed the whole skiing season over the winter and skiing is one of my absolutely favorite pastimes. So... I was really sick. Gosh, even I love to chop firewood, great for my back muscles which will get real stiff from sitting at a desk too much, and I could barely lift the axe.

I have been working a lot in the garden lately though so I am feeling rather back to normal for the most part... haven't attempted chopping wood for a full hour yet though.

Now, I rarely use even the DMSA formula anymore, am no longer seeing the doctor... I make a pesto with cilantro and basil and garlic fresh from the garden that does the trick for me. I eat that maybe 3-4 times a week and am hoping I can lessen my metals substanstially before winter comes. If winter comes and I start getting all achy I will head back to the doctor for EDTA/DMPS. My cilantro is real fresh and no chems, I sort of fear buying anything of that nature from the grocery store hoping it will help me when I feel lousy. That hasn't been my experience in regard to most grocery store veggies, which always have something sprayed on them. So I do the work and grow my own and feel real good about it, in more ways than one.

If I didn't have the garden I might still be sick. I bottled about 100 items for winter too so we're in pretty good shape here.

I had rough grey patches on my ankle that disappeared after only about 2 or 3 of the IV EDTA sessions. My feet have not been doing the painful cramp up thing lately either.

This:
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my head hurts like a racy, cold, electricity


..is probably mercury, I know I experienced a lot of that when I was real sick this past winter, never felt before in my life. It's gone now.

But this:
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during the day on a bad day i will have a movie image of an event i wish i made a different decision on, and it will play for hours, so clear vivid and loud, its almost real, and i go into this virtual reality world, and i say to my mind STOP, and it keeps intruding on me and i can't. i feel i hate myself, but there is no reason, i feel guilty, ABSOLUTE REGRET, all my good memories are painful reminders of how i feel in the now.


...my personal feeling from a Christian perspective, is that you have a spiritual something going on there... something in your subconscious you need to forgive for or ask forgiveness for. people without mercury poisoning experience the same thing. If that were me I would think the Lord was trying to tell me something in a way my ignorant self might comprehend.


Re: ON WAKING #22409
08/03/07 01:01 AM
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I can totally relate, since I have been trying to detox the chemo as well as the mercury, I wake up every morning with exactly the same symptoms...much worse than when it was just the mercury. I dread going to bed cause I am afraid of what will come into my head upon waking.

I truly wish I could find another way to get this stuff out of my system, the Gerson treatment is not fast enough for me. I don't know what I am going to do. I often have a dream when I wake up that I am axing people to death....it is horrific.

I don't know what to do, first the mercury, now metals in the chemo....where and when is it all going to end?

Sandi
xoxo

Re: ON WAKING #22410
08/03/07 01:58 AM
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I often have a dream when I wake up that I am axing people to death....it is horrific.

I think that would seriously worry me. If I dream at all it's usually a sex dream... some funny bit about some guy wanting something and going to lengths to get it. Truly funny as dreams most of the time but not really funny if you knew me considering everything...

I have been trying to come to terms with it for years I am still working on it.

I think if I dreamt about blood or things of that nature you'd find me praying all day. Maybe I should think about that, considering everything.

I actually do not recall having any major great increase in dreams while being heavily mercury poisoned. Mostly insomnia I kept waking up sweating, had to change the sheets a lot, they'd be soaked completely. But maybe there's a link there, because dreams happen in the lighter stages of sleep. i usually sleep like a rock which may explain my general lack of dreams most of the time.

Praying for you Sandi.

Re: ON WAKING #22411
08/03/07 02:09 AM
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I think it's just worth remembering, SoSick, that as mercury can change a person's personality, I find it very plausible that it can have an effect on a person's dreams -- either directly, or through the toxicity it causes throughout the body, and the resulting imbalances, parasites, etc.

This is because I know many people whose body chemistry has been altered by a different agent, a psychotropic drug. These are people who were perfectly "normal" apart from something like depression, who became psychotic on the drugs. They dreamed about murdering people, including their families; some had obsessive thoughts in the daytime; a few actually tried to act on them. These people are off the drugs now and are utterly horrified by what happened.

I think it shows that any agent that messes around with your body can do these things to you. It doesn't mean there's a latent violent or murderous desire, it just means you are poorly.

Linda.

Re: ON WAKING #22412
08/03/07 02:36 AM
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I use to have the most horrific and vivid dreams too. Almost like the dreams were so real, you were actually there, not like you were asleep at all and I use to dream about the weirdest things and people Id never seen but felt I knew. I dont seem to have these as much any more, but always wake up in sheer terror and feel like I havnt been to bed. I always feel like I need to go back to sleep. Mornings are really bad for me. What a life. Tracy

Re: ON WAKING #22413
08/03/07 03:44 AM
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Dear Benza, its funny you saying about being put to sleep, cos I thought about this a lot when I first got ill. There used to be something called sleep induced therapy. I know someone who had ME and someone who was severely depressed who both had this. They were both literally put to sleep and kept asleep for two weeks to give their bodies and minds a chance to heal. Both said they felt gret afterwards. I dont think they do it any more. But I know exactly how you feel, I would love to put to sleep and treated and wake up feeling better. Wouldnt that be great. Love Tracy.

Re: ON WAKING #22414
08/03/07 04:32 AM
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Sandi darlin,
could ya try an tell your dreamin self to put lil outfits on all the ax fodder sayin "cancer"? When y' all are tryin to kill somethin it's only natural to anthropomorphise it. (Ma dog knows 75 words, thats a biggie, ain't it ?)

Arsenicum 200 is a dang good remedy for me for mornin anxiety an fears.

Re: ON WAKING #22415
08/03/07 07:24 AM
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Right now ELvis mate I think Arsenic would be more helpful. I am so bloody ill now. All I do jutst lie down all day and vomit bile and blood. I dont want this life any more. No one bloody listens or cares. I have had enough Tracy

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08/03/07 09:40 AM
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Actually, arsenic may be good for you if in dire pain..... you need to find a good doctor and quit being depressed, so many great remedies out there

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/r.php/Ars

Re: ON WAKING #22417
08/03/07 10:38 AM
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I have the same thing often. I wake up nervous, scared and anxious...this just started within the past couple years.

Re: ON WAKING #22418
08/03/07 11:50 AM
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I use to have the most horrific and vivid dreams too. Almost like the dreams were so real, you were actually there, not like you were asleep at all and I use to dream about the weirdest things and people Id never seen but felt I knew. I dont seem to have these as much any more, but always wake up in sheer terror and feel like I havnt been to bed. I always feel like I need to go back to sleep. Mornings are really bad for me. What a life. Tracy

That is a perfect description of how I feel too Tracy, not quite as bad as the worst mercury herxheimer I had, but just chronic. I guess the chemo metals are coming out. I took milk thistle last night, some chlorella and activated charcoal before I went to bed last night and feel a bit better this morning...no horrific nightmares anyway. But last night I was scared to go to sleep cause I didn't know what I would wake up to.

But don't worry, I am not dangerous, not yet anyway. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Thanks for the tips Elvis I will try both of them. How are you feeling lately?

Sandi
xoxo

Re: ON WAKING #22419
08/03/07 08:53 PM
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This is because I know many people whose body chemistry has been altered by a different agent, a psychotropic drug. These are people who were perfectly "normal" apart from something like depression, who became psychotic on the drugs. They dreamed about murdering people, including their families; some had obsessive thoughts in the daytime; a few actually tried to act on them. These people are off the drugs now and are utterly horrified by what happened.


a friend of mine who is a bionutrionist says that it is a seratonin imbalance caused by anti-depressants and drugs of that category that causes that.

He also told me, sadly enough, that drugs like Ritalin (which they give to school children) and it's relatives are in that category. He said that they are what's known as schedule 2 drugs and just barely below the list of drugs like morphine and other illegal narcotics.

However, Linda, i was quite mercury posioned and I have not experienced any great increase in dreams... just a little but I really think it is due to not sleeping as well in my case. I go for weeks on end without dreaming at all. very peaceful rock solid sleep.

I had a sort of near death experience years and years ago, about 25 years ago or more.. I was seriously seriously ill, something completely unrelated, ended up in a hospital for 2-3 weeks, and had some rather strange experiences then. I wasn't on any drugs prior to being admitted to the hospital. I always figured it was because I was close to death.

It's obvoius things are very cut and dry to you but the fact is that we are much more than the visible sum of our parts.

Re: ON WAKING #22420
08/03/07 09:20 PM
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I also stopped watching really scary and weird movies quite a few years ago... I noticed that things like that more than anything else seemed to contribute to bouts of nightmares.

Not allowed in our house. period.

I do like animal movies, like kids watch... The Great Adventure... Madagascar is fun.

Maybe I was having those funny dreams because I had a friend who would bring lots of movies of that nature over... that would explain it maybe. Our brains are a lot like tape recorders. I could go further and say i didn't even watch tv for about 10-12 years which might help explain my lack of dreams altogether. 'Course then we got the big screen which is a delight to watch movies on I admit...

Kids who play really violent video games have problem of this nature even without drugs too. Those aren't allowed in our house either. It's nice here, really. Even with amalgams.

Re: ON WAKING #22421
08/04/07 04:25 AM
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Hmm interesting thread. I experience quite the opposite from the morning anxiety syndrome. My nightmare literally is trying to get to sleep. I feel very frightened of the dark and quiet and feel that there are spirits or ghosts that lie in wait for me. I become most terrified if I know that there is nobody else in the house.

I know logically that it would be more likely that an intruder such as a robber would be a more likely event. I just can't get rid of that spooky feeling though. Sometimes I feel like a 5 year old who is afraid of the dark.

If I wake up during the night (as I do frequently to go to the loo) I have no problem going back to sleep. Likewise if it is early morning I will close the blinds to block the light and get to sleep easily. It seems to have something to do with the time for me - 9pm - 12.00 pm scares me.

Even though I don't feel particularly anxious upon waking I do feel very fatigued. 7.00 am until about 5.00 pm are particularly draining and tiring for me. Once the sun goes down however I come to life for a few hours and then fizzle around 10.00 pm.

I guess a lot of us here experience adrenal insuffiency and many of you would have a similar daily fatigue/energy schedule.

Cheers from Rach

Re: ON WAKING #22422
08/04/07 05:14 AM
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"It's obvoius things are very cut and dry to you"

I'm sorry-? How so? I was making the point that "normal" people can have abnormal dreams and thought processes for a variety of reasons and it doesn't mean they actually want to commit violent acts, even subconsciously. It must be very frightening to go through that kind of experience.

Re: ON WAKING #22423
08/04/07 07:12 AM
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Big hello Sandi,
Finally hadta shift ma big bondoonie over to a new Dr. for all ma long standin prollems connected with the diabolical state some of us poor folks get into post mercury removal..
Ahm feelin a might better already, this guy knows his onions and he is a good buddy a Dr. Klinghardt, also Tim (magic-) Ray, and Ah got ma good buddy Dental Hologram ta thank for findin me such a smart guy who cares enough to put the time in, too. First consultation 2 1/2 hours well spent.

Sad thing is, ON WAKIN, ( an thats what this thread is about, ain't it? ) Ah look out ma big windows an observe the heavy chemtrailin goin on here that Ah didnt used to see here WHATSOEVER an now it's all over the dang skies.Ah'm mad as ...WHOA can't think of a single analogy, THATS how dang mad Ah am.
Plus, those of us with heavy me(n)tal toxicity are more prone to the effects a this sprayin due to the heavy, an not so heavy , metals comprisin this here shite rainin down on us, welp, that an the biological content.

Thang that drives me nuts the most is the general publics lack a intelligence ta react to somethin as diabolical as whats goin on in front a our eyes.
God and Goddess, give me an all a us here the strength to deal with the atrocities perpetrated on our beautiful selves without our knowledge or consent.
Uh, thanks for askin, Sandi. Really hopin your situation improves. How's the juicin?
P. S. Ah don't find ya cut and dried at all, Linda.


Re: ON WAKING #22424
08/04/07 07:42 AM
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Thanks Elvis <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Pleased to hear things are starting to get better for you. Finding good help seems to be half the battle.

Re: ON WAKING #22425
08/04/07 03:01 PM
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Sandi darlin,
could ya try an tell your dreamin self to put lil outfits on all the ax fodder sayin "cancer"? When y' all are tryin to kill somethin it's only natural to anthropomorphise it. (Ma dog knows 75 words, thats a biggie, ain't it ?)

Arsenicum 200 is a dang good remedy for me for mornin anxiety an fears.

Yes that is what one dr said to do as well, get mad at the cancer and it might go away, but never, ever give in or give up!!! And I won't.

My nightmares all had fictional people in them, so I really had no subconscious desires to kill anyone I know. And they are all gone now, I slowed down the juicing, I was moving out way too many toxins for my poor old liver to handle.

Glad you found a better dentist, it is so nice to find someone that you can have confidence in.

I so enjoy your posts Elvis, they always make me smile. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

And I don't find you cut and dried either Linda, you are a great addition to this forum.

Best love,
Sandi
xoxo

Re: ON WAKING #22426
08/04/07 03:22 PM
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Thanks Sandi <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> This is a great community.

Re: ON WAKING #22427
08/05/07 11:16 PM
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"It's obvoius things are very cut and dry to you"

I'm sorry-? How so? I was making the point that "normal" people can have abnormal dreams and thought processes for a variety of reasons and it doesn't mean they actually want to commit violent acts, even subconsciously. It must be very frightening to go through that kind of experience.


hmmm.. well actually you seemed to indicate that it's drugs or mercury always causing these things, when in fact I said it could be other things... like movies, video games, who know what else, that has imbedded it's image in the subconscious... more or less though I wasn't so elaborate.

What thine eyes have seen.... ... no man is an island unto himself...

I do not recall ever stating that they actually want to commit violent acts either but maybe that is just cut and dry reading from a certain perspective that inteprets a certain way. Never even implied it either though so.. whatever. I guess it would be like me saying harry potty is your problem but I truly have no idea so I won't pour the idea into a concrete mold yet.... Just seeds in your subconscious to struggle with.


Re: ON WAKING #22428
08/06/07 02:13 AM
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I think it's very true that violent films and video games etc. can cause problems too. With me, since the depression and the drug withdrawal, when if I see realistic violence in a film, or watch something depressing, I get physically ill. It's quite an extreme response. The mind has a huge amount of power.

What you said was:
"...my personal feeling from a Christian perspective, is that you have a spiritual something going on there... something in your subconscious you need to forgive for or ask forgiveness for. people without mercury poisoning experience the same thing. If that were me I would think the Lord was trying to tell me something in a way my ignorant self might comprehend. "

If this had been said to me I would honestly be offended. This may be the case for some, but for myself, and probably most or all of the people on this thread, and many people I know, it's got nothing to do with a spiritual crisis and everything to do with biochemistry being out of whack. That's really what I had in mind when I responded to you.

Linda.

Re: ON WAKING #22429
08/06/07 03:50 AM
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I think maybe it also has a lot to do with how our nervous sytems have been affected. I didnt really notice this until about 4 months after I intially became physically ill. But then I found I started to startle easily and couldnt watch anything violent on TV at all ,where as things like that didnt use to bother me. Then I started to have panic attacks and I think, sorry cant remember who said it but our whole body chemistry has gone out of whack. TRACY

Re: ON WAKING #22430
08/06/07 05:07 AM
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Bingo. I don't know how much mercury has affected me, but I do know for sure that my nervous system was damaged when I stopped my antidepressant. The naturopath I work with online is an expert in this area and she also says it's nervous system damage. It can heal over time but it's often a slow process.

Re: ON WAKING #22431
08/06/07 05:31 AM
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Yep, this is all so ture, the ol CNS takes a real beatin with the heavy metals , drugs an what all else.
Ah know Ah bang on about the homeopathy, but even though it did not deeply chelate mah" heavies," it really helped with all the emotional prollems.
The other thing is, mah super wonderful homeopath sees auras ( an more ) an could see the first time Ah went to her that Ah had 3 big holes around the head area. Ah do believe folks who have super sensitivity often have leaky auras, (not just guts,) an this is a very unprotected way to go about in this crazy world so one must be real careful what we expose ourselves to.

Re: ON WAKING #22432
08/06/07 07:14 AM
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My Tai Chi teacher could see auras. I was hoping that I would, too, if I carried on with the Tai Chi. Looking forward to getting back into it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Elvis you find some excellent people in this country!! They don't seem to be around Leicester.

Re: ON WAKING #22433
08/06/07 08:40 AM
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Elvis,

A serious question - Why do you type like that? It seems like everything you are saying is mockery and I never know whether or not to take you seriously?

Re: ON WAKING #22434
08/06/07 08:53 AM
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I expected you to be offended Linda. But I would never say something like that to you because from everything you've told us about yourself it's pretty evident that you aren't experiencing a 'spiritual crisis'. A crisis for you might be to head that direction, considering all you've told us about your interests in witchcraft et al. I never said Benza was experiencing a 'crisis' either. It's not a crisis. It's a pretty normal state of affairs for lots of people, many of us go through it from time to time. But you are already a good and righteous person all on your own, never offensive. What is there to forgive you for and who is there to forgive you anyway? Really, I would never say that to you, it's clearly not something you would grasp.

I would not be offended if someone said that to me, just so you know. In fact there was a day when a good friend said many things like that to me and it helped me immensely, I am still grateful to this day.

Mercury and other drugs certainly do put our body chemistry out of whack. But it's highly unlikely they define the content of our dreams.

I had a dream two days ago about people taking my squashes and making pencil holders out of them because they didn't know how to cook them. In my dream I got angry because they obviously had no idea how much work went into growing those squashes. Pretty funny yea, but in real life I actually experience things like that so I decided not to give my squashes away to people who asked anymore. Yes I know they are pretty but I am tired of them coming back only to tell me 'I didn't know how to cook it so I threw it out'.

I cannot remember the last scary dream I had... it's been quite a while, years. I do remember though that when I did have them from time to time, many years ago... I would catch the culprits that showed up in my dreams and, in my dreams, I would kill them without sympathy or regret. Maybe there simply aren't any scary critters here left to dream with.

God did not give us a spirit of fear.

I cannot speak for trash media, superstition, Harry Potty and auras. But I do know it's important to separate fact from fiction, assuming one is able.

Re: ON WAKING #22435
08/06/07 09:00 AM
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Claythrow use your grey matter. And it's hard to take someone seriously who doesn't beleive in muscle testing, which all the clinic experts use. But i realise you're in the Cutlet camp.

Re: ON WAKING #22436
08/06/07 10:13 AM
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for me, video games and violent movies actually make me better. kind of like the stress and anger gets relieved in what ever i'm watching so i don't end up doing stupid things.

Re: ON WAKING #22437
08/06/07 11:07 AM
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Dear Anon , I hope you meant Arsenicum, not Arsenic! Im sure you wouldnt prescibe that to anyone. Just looked at the site, be me doubting Thomas,thinks if this claims to cure so much, why arn't we all on it. I would be interested to know if anyone has and what positive results they got. Truly I might sound like I'm whining and depressed. Funny thing is I hardly suffer from depression now. But i do get very sad, angry and frustrated. And I hate all these things. The worst thing is at the moment I'm having the most terrible rages ever. Wonder I have any house left. But I cant control it. Sometimes I think the emotional swings are the worst thing, although the physical is bad enough. Very tired and brain fog today. Went to hang the washing out, unfortunately forgot washing, still in machine. Alzeimers on it's way!

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Re: ON WAKING #22438
08/06/07 12:14 PM
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for me, video games and violent movies actually make me better. kind of like the stress and anger gets relieved in what ever i'm watching so i don't end up doing stupid things.

otherwise known as external projection or transference I think. Unfortunately sometimes the line gets blurred with some people. We live in a very violent society. I read an article somewhere in some anthropology magazine a few years ago that claimed our society was more violent than that of some south american cannibal pygmies they were studying. I forget the details but it made sense to me at the time.

The alzheimer's goes away with chelation Tracy. I experienced lots of clothes still in the washer episodes too. Mostly when it was real bad here with me I would start to do something and forget what i was doing and veer off on another tangent and never accomplish anything... just walk around in circles trying to remember what I was in the middle of... lots of blank staring into space. Mercury and aluminum both affect the nervous system, they block neuro transmitter connections or something. But the brain seems to have an amazing ability to heal and restore itself. I was very worried at the time that I would be that way forever but it didn't stick around. I was like that for about 3-4 months, I wasn't here posting then, way too bad off to even bother with the computer. DMPS and cilantro both helped me the most in that area. Maybe ALA too, not sure, it is an ingredient in my oral chelators and I do take some now and then in vitamin form. The EDTA may make that worse for a bit (like it gave me pounding headaches every time) but I know I needed the EDTA, had pretty high lead here with mercury. Not a tad of aluminum in my blood tests or fecal though.

Re: ON WAKING #22439
08/06/07 01:07 PM
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"I would never say that to you, it's clearly not something you would grasp"

Well that's cleared that up then.

Re: ON WAKING #22440
08/06/07 04:04 PM
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Whoa!! Ah think Ah been Claythrown-up-on.
What happened to your "live an let live , everbody needs to lighten up"response ?
Ah can't help it, it's not so much Ah type like this, this here computer is voice activated an Ah talk like this.
Don't think y'all would take me serious anaways, leastaways not near so serious as ya take yourself.
Ah always speak the truth when it comes to matters a the heart, an personal experience.
Welp, , ah do appreciate the indulgence a those who lend me an ear but Ah ain't for everbody.
Sometimes fine words and intellectualizing are over-rated.
Iffen y'all don't get the vibe of me, that's mighty fine.
Where's Jill? Kinda miss her.

Re: ON WAKING #22441
08/06/07 04:47 PM
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LOLOL Y'all take care there Elvis, you make me smile and that's worth a million.

Re: ON WAKING #22442
08/06/07 06:13 PM
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Thank you kindly.
Nighty night.

Re: ON WAKING #22443
08/07/07 12:20 AM
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Me too Elvis, I so look forward to what is coming next!!! You make me smile from ear to ear, and that has not been an easy feat some days!!!

Nighty nite to you too!!!!

Sandi
xoxo


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