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Vitamins and minerals for over-the-counter sale will be phased out, almost completely...
#2405
07/04/05 06:41 PM
07/04/05 06:41 PM
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OP
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Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen Monday, July 4th, 2005 "Big Pharma" won a major victory in Rome, Italy today. Vitamins and minerals, for over-the-counter sale will be phased out, almost completely, in every country on Planet Earth. The "German Model" of health care will now be the law of the land - in every land. Below is a press release from Diane Miller JD of the National Health Freedom Coalition, detailing the action. Diane is in Rome at the meeting. Press Release - National Health Freedom Coalition: Codex Full Commission adopts Codex Guidelines for Vitamin and Mineral Food Supplements in final form July 4, 2005, Rome Italy. by Diane Miller JD. Minutes ago the full Commission of Codex Alimentarius adopted in final form, the Codex Guidelines for Vitamin and Mineral Food Supplements. This adoption is the Step 8 adoption, the final stage of adoption for the international Codex guidelines. The Codex Vitamin and Mineral Food Supplements guidelines are now official and no longer in draft form. The Commission, attended by over 85 of the 171 Codex countries, adopted the guidelines by consensus method. There was brief discussion before adoption taking in comments from a small number of countries and two NGOs. To read the whole article, click on the URL below: http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinionpieces/viamins%20to%20be%20banned%20worldwide....htm
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Re: Vitamins and minerals for over-the-counter sale will be phased out, almost completely...
#2406
07/04/05 07:49 PM
07/04/05 07:49 PM
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I am very very upset with this news.
I have no desire for fireworks tonight. I am dissillusioned with America. Guess I should start raising the Hammer and Sickle Flag for communism instead :'(
"It is Better to Love than always be right"- Mother Teresa
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Re: Vitamins and minerals for over-the-counter sale will be phased out, almost completely...
#2407
07/04/05 07:52 PM
07/04/05 07:52 PM
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This is absolutely pitiful. People like me who are so ill from mercury poisoning will die without our supplements. I take 30 supplements per day just to keep going.
GOD HELP US...We will have to juice all of the vegetables we can get our hands on and drink them.
Sandra
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Re: Vitamins and minerals for over-the-counter sale will be phased out, almost completely...
#2408
07/04/05 08:04 PM
07/04/05 08:04 PM
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Something like that is happening here in the UK. It's absolutely appalling. Ban tobacco and alcohol before vitamins! I don't understand it.
Is Algin going to be still available? If not, how do we get it naturally?
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Re: Vitamins and minerals for over-the-counter sale will be phased out, almost completely...
#2409
07/05/05 04:23 AM
07/05/05 04:23 AM
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It doesn't sound to me that this is something that can happen over night. Can it? That would mean destroying an existing supply of all vitamin supplements worldwide.. They may become illigal eventually but people will still find a to get their hands on some.
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Re: Vitamins and minerals for over-the-counter sale will be phased out, almost completely...
#2410
07/05/05 05:03 AM
07/05/05 05:03 AM
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I honestly believe that's wishful thinking on Big Pharma's behalf. The entire world can't agree on practically anything, there's no way that they will ever agree on, of all things, banning multi-vitamins! It's just too absurd. What's more, there is no way that CAPITALIST CORPORATE America will ever suspend a multi-billion dollar industry like that of vitamin sales.
It's just not gonna happen.
Can you imagine the kind of outrage the mere suggestion of banning vitamins would create, worldwide? Banning alcohol doesn't work, neither does banning cigarettes; banning vitamins sure as shi* ain't gonna happen. And if, for some remarkable twist of fate, vitamins actually were banned (ACROSS THE GLOBE, no less), rest assured, people would still find ways of acquiring them on their own.
I'm not trying to be cocky in my reply, I just don't see how a notion such as this would ever, EVER come to fruition. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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Wow!
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07/05/05 05:33 AM
07/05/05 05:33 AM
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Hey, maybe I stand corrected. After making my previous post I did a few searches on yahoo, using keywords such as ban vitamins worldwide. It didn't take me long to find this website on the subject. What I found particularly irksome was the following statement. Already the EU has passed a law which will come into effect in 2005 to ban the sale of 300 nutrient forms from the list of 420 that are currently available. This will affect over 5,000 products (85% of vitamin/mineral products). The nutrient-forms that have been banned are the more bio-available food-derived forms that have appeared over the last decade or so as a consequence of innovative research. In short, we will be back to low potency, inorganic, synthetic nutrients such as those sold in supermarkets and available years ago. The banned items include natural vitamin forms such as the mixed tocopherols (natural vitamin E), carotenoids, and methylcobalamin (B12), selenomethionine (the common form of selenium found in foods, but the list does allow inorganic selenium such as sodium selenate and sodium selenite which is known to be more toxic and deliver less beneficial results), all forms of sulphur (no MSM!), boron, vanadium, silicon, and most trace elements, the most readily absorbed and safest forms of calcium, magnesium, zinc, chromium and molybdenum, and many chelated and plant derived forms. By 2007 the EU is planning to apply similar restrictions to other nutrient groups such as fatty acids (no more fish oils?), amino acids, fibre, and plant extracts. Scary stuff. Who knows! Though I still think implementing such laws would erupt in complete violence. It just depends on how many of the mass will be lemmings, and how many will have the gall to do something about it.
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Re: Wow!
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07/06/05 02:24 AM
07/06/05 02:24 AM
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Isnt that something!
They really seem "gung-ho" on banning Natural, non-synthetic supplements over the more toxic synthetic versions.
Vitamin E is more effective and more safe when you take the natural form. The synthetic version is the toxic, less effective type, yet they will ban the natural version over the synthetic vitamin E.
Did you know that all that uproar on how bad Vitamin E is for you that the FDA made such a fuss about a few months ago was actually based on results with the Synthetic version of Vitamin E and not the Natural form? Yet they would have us believe all Vitamin E is bad. This is just one example.
Ephreda is another one. There are others.
What we can do now is keep writing to the Congressmen and senators, and voicing our collective opinions.
As well as start purchasing useful supplements that we presently find valuable- as well as nutritional teas that can store safely.
You can actually freeze supplements to use past their experiation date.
Herbal Tinctures- especially in food grade alcohol base can store for 10 years.- Some for a lifetime.
One herbal tincture I wouldnt do without is Oil of Oregano-- The greatest thing for your immune system , even over Anti-biotics in my opinion.
I started taking only two drops under my tonge 4-5 days a week since Christmas with this, and havnt gotten a cold or flu since- and I didn t get a flu shot this year. Everyone else around me was sick but me. Im grateful to have discovered this herb.
Boldyloxx
"It is Better to Love than always be right"- Mother Teresa
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Re: What We Can Do
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07/08/05 05:01 PM
07/08/05 05:01 PM
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We have concluded?without doubt?that there is a coordinated, concerted effort to keep people in the united States sick and ignorant about true solutions. Since this coordinated effort involves more than one person, it is?by definition?a conspiracy. Yet, we are relentlessly conditioned to believe that those who believe in conspiracies are paranoid. Yet, it takes courage to face the truth. I believe that sentiment as well. I sometimes wonder how much of the conspiracy (or any conspiracy) is even conscious, however. Big businesses will do anything to realize a profit and yet the only way to convince people of a lie is to believe in the lie yourself. I've met countless crooked and corrupt business/salesmen who truly believed with their whole of whole in whatever their (fake) "product" happened to be. No matter how convincing an argument you throw at them, you simply can't get them to see past the bells and whistles and to admit the truth, to admit that what they're selling/proclaiming/announcing/etc. is blatantly dishonest. But in the words of Simon and Garfunkle: "Man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." I can perceive of a world where the only available medicinal treatment is through meticulously controlled narcotic substances and where the simple practice of drinking green tea to ward off free radicals is strictly forbidden because <insert smoke screen here>. As time continues, not only might vitamins and herbal supplements become unavailable because "there isn't enough supporting evidence", we may find foods such as asparagus and brussels sprouts taken off the market and made illegal (the government can make a mushroom which grows practically everywhere named psilosybin illegal after all). It won't happen over night but it's a definate possibility. It seems like things are certainly headed that way, anyhow. Anyone ever see that old movie from the '60s called Soilent Green? Anyway, I love reading about conspiracy theories. Not all of them are real, of course, and some are complete paranoid delusions, but there are some conspiracies which are very real, and I like to take everything into consideration. I think it's important to always practice the age old precept: question authority. And any "authority figure" who dislikes being questioned, very likely, has a lot of explaining to do.
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Re: What We Can Do
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07/11/05 09:45 PM
07/11/05 09:45 PM
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I found a blog that has updates on what stage Codex is at with the supplements,etc. http://codexblog.healthfreedomusa.org/I have a positive feeling about the United States. I still continue to pray and also put the rest of the World in God's hands over this.
"It is Better to Love than always be right"- Mother Teresa
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MIS and DIS Information...
#2418
07/13/05 05:12 AM
07/13/05 05:12 AM
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OP
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I recently spoke with the head of the IAHF and the producer of "We Become Silent"; the video we are currently streaming on our website at this location: http://herballure.com/Special/WeBecomeSilent/index.htmlI have studied conspiracy theories since the early 90s, studied the laws surrounding them, and studied the process of "globalization" as I see it unfolding before my eyes. I also thoroughly enjoy Bible prophecy, as it allows you to peer into the recent past and the soon-coming future in a way that?if properly decoded?will scare you into repentance (not a bad thing). I've met and worked with (people we later determined to be) CIA operatives who literally embezzled money, destroyed short-wave radio stations and made the "patriot" movement look stupid and naive. These people easily and mysteriously escape prosecution over and over again. Through it all, I kept hoarding information and slowly and methodically continued putting the puzzle pieces together, keeping my emotions out of the equation and letting logic dictate the path of truth, and I have come to this conclusion (among many others): These issues?including CAFTA, NAFTA, GATT, and others?are distorted, clouded and purposefully bursting-at-the-seams with opinions. This onslaught of information coloring the horizon in every conceivable hue is designed to fatigue the seeker of truth. This is a quote from the article: Here is our task, now that we have been given this gift: We need to become the go-to people who help the folks who make our international policy become heroes by providing them with the best possible scientific and clinical documentation of the importance of pro-health options (including the nutritional and environmental literature and clinical arts) so that they can support CODEX policies which make positive health impacts. The sad truth is that those "folks" are paid by "big" pharma and don't really care much about becoming heroes. They are concerned about their bank accounts. It took years for me to collect enough evidence to believe and to be able to accept the size and depth of the deception most Americans live under right now. The difference between the tightly-controlled public perception and truth is as vastly separated as you could invent in a good science fiction story. Even though we are entering another "cycle" of history in which the "leaders" grasp for the same power and the non-elite suffer "while evils are sufferable", this time it's going to be different because of technology. This time, unless Americans have an epiphany, the only one who will be able to stop this cycle is Christ. The prophecy says (speaking about future events) that had He [Christ] not come and stopped the events that will transpire, "no flesh would be saved"; something that could not be, without technology. Those in power?mere men?are so hungry and lustful to relieve their fear that they would rather destroy the Earth then to relinquish their power. In speaking with like-minded persons who share my values?as those mentioned at the beginning of this post?it's encouraging to know how easy it would be to win these battles if only Americans would lift a finger and invest in their country once a month for, perhaps an hour. Freedom is not free; it's everyone's job. I'm waiting to see what will happen.
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Re: MIS and DIS Information...
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07/15/05 11:01 PM
07/15/05 11:01 PM
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Dear Russ,
what you say hits the nail on the head, and let me tell you why.
I know alot of people may feel scandalized when I say this -- and i truly apologize and dont mean to push my religious views on anyone. God loves all peoples and uses all relgions to teach us.
A woman in our Syracuse NY church lost her husband a few years ago-- a firefighter who died putting out a housefire. This was shortly after 9/11's disaster in NY.
She and her sonr became very depressed and had alot of issues with God as to why her husband was permitted to die.
Well,... about 2 years ago, she was alone in her house-- depressed., when she got a visitation from her husband. His spirit came into her house and he held her hand as though he had never died.
He told her that God called him home. She asked him why he left them. He said "When God calls you Home, you Go!"
He said that everyone is active in Heaven-- its a positive , team player type of work- and very upbeat and postiive..
He said that plans are being made that very second for Jesus's return to Earth-- and that he was blessed to share a part in those plans .
He said that Jesus was returning "Very soon". This woman is not one given into delusions, nor was she particularly a very religous woman before this. This incident did bring her alot closer to God in her life.
I beleive we are presently in the period of the "Great Tribulation" where we are seeng the World and all of it's organizations at their most corrupt condition. This is because mankind is being permitted to do things "MAN'S WAY-- like when humans built the Tower of Babel on their own without God's involvement.
When Christ returns, He will be setting up His Kingdom on Earth- and things will no longer be MAN"S WAY any longer, but GOD'S WAY of doing things. God will soon say "Enough!"
All the World's organizations and foundations will crumble. I dont mean necessarily literally--- as in the EARTH crumbling. I mean anything man has done apart from God will topple eventually. This includes even Religious organizations-- everything that man did apart from God. We have been seeing this crumbling even within this decade- with scandals in the World Church, and in corporate scandals. Even scandals within the Presidency causing shakings and 'earthquakes" -- such as the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
We are seeing a sampling of God's way of doing things by seeing people being restored from the Pharma Cartel-- being restored from toxic poisoning of Mercury -caused by corrupt Greedy bigshots against thier own fellow citizens-- for the sake of $$.
People like Hal Huggins or Gary Trudeau are the whistleblowers who are willing to pay the price of rejection from fellow peers to do what is right.
Doing right comes with paying a price and going against the Status Quo at times.
We just have to hang in there and ask God to help us cope and prepare ourselves during this Tribulation period-where it looks like the jerks in society are getting their way.
Eventually, they will be trying to hide behind rocks and in caves when Christ does return.
"It is Better to Love than always be right"- Mother Teresa
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Yea!
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07/17/05 06:24 AM
07/17/05 06:24 AM
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No doubt. There are changes-a-commin'. The Bible teaches that a 200-million man army will invade (or at least engage) the U.S. If I remember right, the invasion will be of the "Lion's young cubs". Properly decoded, the symbolism means America will be invaded by China. Why China? Because it's the only country that can produce an army that size. Why America? Because, Britain is the Lion, America is a "young cub" (think about it). Some might say we see the current buzz involving Tiawan and China and apply this conclusion to it. The truth is, I was involved in learning/decoding this around 1990. The things that are coming can be scary, but with faith, we can handle it. We do have to be (or should become) wise to the deceptions however, because they are many and deep. I am (slowly) putting a series of "deeper" Bible studies on my website located here: http://russtanner.comThe first one is about the fourth word in the Bible and is very interesting because it's the first place where Christ is symbolized, and the number 4 is always associated with the physical (realm) work of Christ. The next two will be on the prophecies about pharmaceutical drugs in the Bible and then, probably, the genologies of Christ. Many don't realize that there are 2, one is the "King" line and depicts Christ as the Son of Man who is the King, and the other is the "Legal" or God line which depicts Christ as the Son of God (Priest forever). The King line has 66 people in it as 6 is the number of man, and the Priest line has 77 as 7 is the number of spiritual perfection, which depicts the works of a priest. Amazingly, Christ's mother's parents were Levitical (the tribe of priests: i.e. Aaron) and Judean (the tribe of kings: i.e. David). There are numerous number facts in the Bible that I will be posting such as... If you add up the numerical values of all original Roman numerals, they equal 666. Also, there were 153 fishes caught in the net by the well-known "fishers of men". If you add up all the people healed in the four gospels, it totals 153. Interesting when you consider that fish are symbols of saved (or "healed-from-sin") persons. Oh, um, how many gospels witness directly of the physical works of Who? ...And four is the number of the physical works of Who? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Oh well, looks like I got going on one of my favorite subjects. Concerning your post: I think you meant Kevin Trudeau. He is exposing the corruption in the FDA and FTC that we've been talking about for 15 years, and he's doing a great job of it. His infomercial is on all night long on several channels. It's great. He also touches on the corruption in the large "disease" organizations. We've known for years that they don't use the money for beneficial research. They use it for (among other things) patentable research for drugs. I really hope people being to wake up to this as it has been a perpetual frustration knowing this and yet watching all these well-intentioned people donate time and money to these partly-or-mostly-worthless organizations. It's unbelieveable what's happening and how well people have been conditioned to not believe it. OK, I better stop. I'm laying in bed with my laptop on my lap and may get too worked up (frustrated) to get to sleep for a while, and just look at the timestamp on this message to see what time it is now! Take care and keep spreading the info. Oh, have you watched this video? http://herballure.com/Special/WeBecomeSilent/index.htmlTake care.
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Re: Yea!
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07/17/05 07:03 PM
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Hi Russ! i just headed over to your new site from your link-- got it bookmarked along with this one!
That is interesting about the Bible's symbolism also.
i recall reading about what each number symbolizes. Our one pastor learned it and would post about the meanings in books he wrote.
So far, I learned the following from his writings:
1- The number 6 stands for Unredeemed Man 2- The number 7 stands for God's perfection-- standing for Completion.
3- The number 4 stands for God's Bride- the Body of Christ. 4- The number 10 stands for all that Man can Contain. 5- The number 12 is an Apostalic number standing for God's chosen people. (i.e., 12 Tribes if Isreal, 12 Apostles)
6- The number 3 stands for the Trinity.
7- When people in the bible- including Jesus were in some sort of Test or Fast, it seems it is mentioned as 40 days. Multiply 10 (all that man can contain) with 4 (The number that symbolizes His Church) and you get the symbolism of how Jesus's fasting in the Wilderness 40 days and 40 nights is prophetic of how, like Christ, His Church will also have to go through a spiritual preparation - Trials and Temptations God will permit for each of us -- but all that we can contain, and no more.
When the Isrealites traveled the Wildnerness 40 years,-- that also symbolized something similar. 4 x 10 --- symbolizing how Christ's followers roam about til they cant take it anymore (#10) and they find their Destination.
There are many truths locked in God's Word that only the Holy Spirit can unlock -- but most of us dont really bother reading the Bible too much, so we lose out on all these truths we can learn.
"It is Better to Love than always be right"- Mother Teresa
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Re: The Bible
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08/01/05 08:15 PM
08/01/05 08:15 PM
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there is so much untapped info you can get out of the Bible.. just waiting to be discovered!
that book you mention sounds very interesting!
"It is Better to Love than always be right"- Mother Teresa
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