News you won't see in controlled mainstream media.

The Pottenger cat’s video has arrived and been viewed. What an amazing discovery he made, that cats fed raw meat are very health cats indeed, and that cats feed cooked meats become very unhealthy indeed.

I have discussed this with my other half and the experiment has started. My two cats will be fed a raw meat diet for 5 weeks. No more processed cat food, wet or dry. Just raw chicken, beef, lamb, liver or gizzards with maybe 10pct veggies included.

Purpose of the experiment is to:
1) See if my cats like to eat raw meat.
2) See if the cats become very healthy & happy cats.
3) See if this has any effect on MY health.

Reason for this is because whenever I have been away on holiday for 2 weeks, always away from home and away from the cats, my symptoms have calmed down and I have started to heal, (this could obviously be for many many different reasons.) Upon returning home my symptoms returned. I have tried to remove as many toxins from my house as possible, remove any stress from my life, tried a multitude of health regaining activities for myself, but all to no avail. Cats is next on the list of possible toxins. I have multiple food and chemical sensitivities. As far as I am aware I am not allergic to cats. Cats have been in my life all my life.

This experiment has been recommended by my health practitioner. He has had some successes with this method on some tough cases like me. I have spent about 1 hour Googling a connection between allergies/problems in humans & raw diets for cats and I found nothing, zero, nil to even suggest that cats feed raw meat are no longer allergic to people that are allergic to them. I do trust my health practitioner very much, and I see no reason for him to bullshit me so badly with this weirdness.

As far as I am aware, (I have had cats in my life for 38 years) my cats are currently very health cats. I would say they molt quite a lot of hair, but their coats are soft & sleek. I would also say one is not that 100pct agile, maybe 85pct. They do however regularly catch birds and mice, a couple a week. They are both about 1.5 years old.

Update – 2 weeks in.

1) Do my Cats like Raw meat?
Yes they love it. Especially liver. No problems in getting them to eat it all, although they don’t like it straight out the fridge. Its best warmed upto room temperature, but I am training them to like it cold too.

2) Have my cats become very healthy & happy cats?
Again Yes, the cats are ever more relaxed and happier than before. Coats are even sleeker. They still molt fur as per before. They have upped their kill rate drastically. Almost everyday we are presented with a gift, mostly birds which they only used to catch a few of. It is amazing that this increase in kill rate has been so noticeable after only 2 weeks on the raw meat diet.
I must conclude that their speed, movement and reactions have become faster now.

3) Has this had any effect on MY health?
Yes big time – I will post separately on this because I’m busy now.

3) So….whats happened to me? Its now 2.5 weeks since the cats went on the raw meat diet. In the first week nothing happened.

At the end of the first week something changed in me. It felt as if a giant hand had released it’s grip from around my stomach/waist/lower back. I have had major lower back problems for years and suddenly my lower back became free and loose.

I saw my osteopath on tuesday and she said my spine was the straightest she had ever seen it. It hurts significantly less. It is healing.

Next I have become incredibly hungry. Starving hungry. Like I have not eaten for years and my body craves food. Each meal takes about 1 hour to eat and I am eating 2-3 times my normal quantity of food, mostly salads. I am extremely underweight and have been unable to put on weight for at least 5 years. I have been unable to digest my food and supplements correctly and it has been a big big problem. I was 56kg (123 lbs) on Monday morning – I am 6 foot, 1 inch tall. In the last 5 days I have put on 3 kg. (that’s 6.6 pounds)

Since I have been aware of food intolerances, about 8 months now, I have been completely intolerant to all wheat/dairy/soya/nightshades/all processed foods/fruit/all chemicals+additives+sweatners/white rice/sugar and the list goes on and on. I also recently discovered I am intolerant to most sulphur foods too. Basically I have only been able to eat salad at breakfast, lunch and dinner for the past 4 months.

Last night I was muscle tested by my kinesiologiest for my food intolerances and 60pct of them have suddenly gone. Disappeared. Vamoosed.
I tested fine for all wheat/soya/nighshades/white rice/fruit/sugar.
I am still intolerant to all dairy(although butter was ok), sulphur foods and chemical additives, like MSG. I will re-introduce foods 1 at a time, 1 per day to make sure I don’t react and get symptoms.

At the same time as the cats had a change in diet, I also was in the middle of a parasite cleanse (Humaworm) and I had a large die-off, followed by a large healing crisis.
On top of that, at the same time, I did a veg juice only cleanse. No solid food, only drank juiced vegetables for 7.5 days. Where I lost another 4 kg’s of weight, but I was finally able to totally alkalize my body which really helped me.
These two things had a big effect too, but I know, I can feel that it was the cats that was holding me back. The hungry feeling I have experience before, each time I go away on 2 week holidays, usually in the 2nd week of the holiday. I am allergic to cats! It’s just my symptoms are not what normal people with cat allergies get.

I still have a long way to go in healing and to leading a normal life but I have well and truly turned the corner. I am getting better, finally. All the hard work, all the researching, all the books, websites, good advice, bad advice, misleading advice, all the pain, all the setbacks, all the crap I have been going through has been worth it. God knows how I kept on going trying all the things I tried, but i did and finally I am HEALING. Liver flushes, parasite cleanses, kidney cleanses, bowel cleanses, supplements, herbs, diets, more diets and more weird diets, exercises, massages, osteopaths, Alexander technique, yoga, amalgam removal……….all finally worth it. Phew!

Who would have thought my bloody cats would have caused me such hardship. All the other things I did, as mentioned, would have needed to be done at some point in any case because they I remain blocked and clogged up.

I still have 3 more amalgams to remove, but will wait a couple of weeks to build up my strength some more before I give myself another health challenge.

I am so looking forward to eating normal food again! I have not had a curry in over a year.

Simply amazing! That is sooo cool!
My cats are 1.5 years old too but I had MCS, and food intolerances before I ever got cats, so I don't think it's my cats.
They eat innova cat food which is meat and no grain, but not raw.
My cats do love raw eggs though.

Keep us posted on your progress.
VEG

Hi Veggie, yeah, I am still over the moon with joy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> I think removing this toxin from my life has at last enabled me to start healing. I was well below my toxic limit and this, together with all the other health regaining activities I have been pursuing this year, has finally flipped me to into positive territory.

This weekend I have eaten two lines are Dark Chocolate (dairy free or course!). One on Saturday and one on Sunday. This is the first chocolate anything I have had in 2 years…..i felt like Charlie and the chocolate factory when he gets his 1 bar per year on his birthday! Man, oh man it taste wonderful…and no flare up of symptoms, phew!

Also ate a couple of apples, and some Butter and some tomatoes. They all tasted so so good.

I am just re-introducing things as slow as I can, just in case I get any symptoms returning, so I know what does what.

I continue to eat 2-3 time my normal quantity of grub and I continue to gain weight. I am getting mild stomach aches because I am over eating at every meal.

Tomorrow is three weeks since cats went raw meat.

Lucky You! I would love some chocolate but am allergic to the stuff.

Keep us posted on your progress as well as the kitties.
Veg

Cats are doing really well. They are even happier and content than before the change of diet. Their reflex’s are ultra fast now, although the stream of dead birds has slowed down now, i guess we have less dumb birds and more smart birds in our garden?

The cats like slightly different food, with one preferring liver, the other preferring beef and chicken, but one things for sure they both absolutely love the raw meat diet. Don’t forget when I started all this I said that I thought there was nothing wrong with the cats in the first place, but we can see how lively they are now compared to before.

Anyway, if I tell the truth, sod the cats, I care most about me, and I’m healing fast now. This year has been a total health nightmare, with nothing seeming to make a significant difference…until now. Now that this toxin has been removed I feel GREAT! I have put on 3.5kg in 1 week (7.7 lbs), my lower back hurts much less and I can look forward to re-starting exercising again, hopefully in 2-4 weeks time, I have been unable to do any physical exercise for 1.5 years.

I am still going slowly slowly on re-introducing foods. So far NO reactions except deep joy!

This morning I ate one slice of whole grain brown toast with lashings of melted butter……ummmmm, steaming hot. Its been 8 months since I had any wheat and god it tasted great.

Yesterday I ate one banana. Its been 4 months since I had a banana.

I am still healing! But first up, the cats. I have created the ultimate killing machines. The Arnold Schwarzenegger of cats! Terminators! These two cats are the most ultra fit, healthy, sleek, cuddly, contented moggies in town!
On Sunday they caught a squirrel. Not a baby squirrel. Not some roadkill squirrel. A real big mother of a squirrel, 3 foot long including the tail.
Now, where I come from, squirrels are vermin. Sure they are nice and cute to some, but to most they are vermin. And there are lots of the buggers about. They have no natural predators except for cars, trucks, little boys with guns and now MY CATS.
I didn’t think cats could kill squirrels? They are too fast. They can climb up trees too quick. Before the raw meat diet this would not have happened.

The raw meat diet has been a resounding success for these two happy cats.

Next, me….

I have gained 7kg (15.5 pounds) in 4 weeks. Oh joy! Oh what a massive success I have had here. You can’t understand how much of a turn around this is for me. I have been losing weight consistently for over 5 years. Completely unable to put any weight on. Always feeling in ill health. Foods and supplements having no affect on my health because I’m not digesting anything. Almost zero body fat. I am so gaunt, I look and feel terrible most of the time, even after trying so many health regaining activities.

I am slightly less hungry than at first, but still eating twice as much at each meal. I can eat wheat, rice, potatoes, peppers, butter, honey and so many other foods that have been off the menu. I am now ONLY intolerant to all dairy(although butter is ok), sulphur foods and chemical additives, like MSG. (I have not tested soya yet, but after learning all about soya, I’m gonna avoid that for a little longer.) If anyone out there has these intolerances….just think how you would feel if they suddenly disappeared and you could eat those foods again…oh joy of joys!.....yes….that’s how I feel. Bloody GREAT!

Finally I have started to heal. I have a long way to go, for sure, because I have fallen a long way down.

I know I will have many more difficult times in the coming years, my healing will not be quick, nor smooth, but at last that “something” that was holding me back is GONE. That inexplicable “something” that was forever hanging on, resisting all curing protocols has been removed. Finally I have my health back in my own hands.

My spine continues to straighten out, my lower back still pains a little and no exercise can be done yet, but I can see the end of that tunnel. Soon, maybe 1 month, maybe 2, I will be able to get some exercise, do a work out. Working out makes me sweat and make me feel GREAT. I can’t wait to restart.

Strange things about parasites are happening again. If u remember I did a parasite cleanse at the same time as the cats changed diet. Some think this miraculous turn-around in my health is down to that parasite cleanse, however I know what is what, afterall this is my body that’s going through all this, and you are just reading my words. I now know I am allergic to cats, and that changing the diets made them un-allergic to me.
Anyway….back to strange things about parasites…..
All my symptoms, when I had the die-off have come back. All in lesser strength, but still they have all made a re-appearance.

I have this horrid tingly sensation in my arms and hands. I also have the sharp knife like stabbing pains right between my shoulder blades. Runny nose, itchy skin, constipation, heartburn.
All of which where very strong when I had the die-off. I now associate these sensations as linked with the parasite cleanse.

According to Humaworm “Your immune system is now clean and it is battling the parasites just as HUMAWORM did. Keep your water intake high and keep your bowels moving - this will help. Hang in there - your body is trying to work like it should and part of that is removing dead parasites and toxins.”
Now while all this parasite stuff is going on, my new found hunger, the weight gain, the considerably less painful back is all still there. So this was what my cat allergies gave me, and above is what the parasites give me.
That is another reason why I know the cats is the BIG “something” removed and why I continue to heal, in spite of the bloody parasites having a fight back.
I have also started another Andreas Moritz Kidney cleanse, which will last 30 days. This is for my lower back pain. My ankles got all swollen the first three days, but I keep drinking the tea, kept drinking plenty plenty of water and ankles back to normal size now.

You might want to give the cats a parasite cleanse now and then too if they are going to be hunting in the great outdoors. And delouse them.

Squirrels, mice, rats, birds, all carry various sorts of parasites themselves and are also generally well known for carrying lice as well as fleas. Check under the fur or feathers of the next prey they drag in for a lovely surprise.

Hi Sosick. yeah thanks, i will get some herbs from Humaworm for them, they will get the treatment at some point. i need to do my whole family including the cats. That, however, is considerably easier said than done. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Plain old black walnut hull without anything else is supposed to be good for animals. Cats cannot tolerate everything so be sure whatever you give them is cat tested.

Bathing them in tea tree oil shampoo and then rubbing just a tad (just a little, rubbed into wet fur don't burn them) of plain tea tree oil onto them after bathing will help keep them flea and lice free. My cat needs a bath hasn;t had one all month and I really hate when she's itching and licking herself all over the house. My cat is very unique though, doesn't raise an eyebrow at birds or squirrels, sits happily on the porch sunning herself all day rarely wanders even 50 feet. Loves dogs, walks right up to them and licks their noses. Funny. She does not like other cats.

Lots of store brand pet foods are full of soy you know, read the lables. they shouldn't eat that, it's really not good for them at all.

I've actually been eating just a little bit of hard fresh black walnut hull that i pick up from the trees around here... I was expecting it to make me feel parasite cleanse yucky but it seems to have the opposite effect, makes me feel really good, unless it's something else i am not sure.. but I am going to get some more fresh tomorrow and will keep you posted on that. Maybe has some trace mineral I am otherwise lacking. the stuff is really really hot like cayene pepper fresh like that. Burns my tongue for a good few minutes. I would have to wrap it in something real yummy to get it down the cats throat but i probably should give her a bit too. Supposedly, house pets are the biggest source of parasite contamination, we catch it from them.

You know what, I was thinking I should make some black walnut hull tincture while the green hulls are readily available right now. I found this page on the net which is interesting

Herbal Parasite Remedies - Hulda Clark
http://www.curezone.com/diseases/parasites/herbalcure1.html

She claims this can cure cancer. So i have my green hulls chopped up and covered with some handy 100 proof vodka to make the tincture. and then I am thinking, why bother straining it later, I can just use the liquid part like she says, a drop or two in water but I am going to leave the bigger chunks in there too instead of straining them out and eat one now and then also. Parasite candy! I made 16 oz should last all year! I don't have any wormwood but I can buy whole cloves at the grocery.

Hiya Sosick, yeah cool cats <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

I can only imagine disaster trying to bath my cats…LOL!

Soya, what gave these idiots the idea cats would eat soya? Cats should not eat soya and nor should humans. I got a friend and their daughter drinks soya milk breakfast lunch and dinner. That kids got loads of problems man…..real proper problems. They spent loads of money seeing doctors here there and everywhere. They doing special exercise programs, special education programs, special eyesight programs, they spending many and much time and effort in helping her……but do they change her diet? No…….drinks soya every day, wheat every day, sugar, cakes, buns, chocolate……..i find it embarrassing to be with them. Difficult.

I wouldn’t know fresh black wall nut if it came up and bit my butt…LOL
I have got some in a tincture, Clarkia, that I’m gonna use as a parasite maintenance program. I need a free patch of no symptoms before I start that and right now is not a free patch. Picking it off tress has got to be the best way though, wish I could do that, sounds like you are lost on a mountain?

I read hulda clarks book. that’s some old skool style healing that old lady does. I use her book for a reference when I have pain somewhere. Just look up what pain in shoulders is……ahhhhh gallstones stuck in bile duct. Not my favourite book, but was interesting reading.

Lost in admiration. It's going to be a splendid cold and snowy winter.

Well Sunshine, Here's the scoop on black walnut hull. I will be perfectly honest.

If anyone had ever truly tried to convince me I have parasites.. you know.. itty bitty and not so itty bitty true little worms, forget candida that's a no brainer everyone's got some and mine has been well under control for the most part for over 20 years so I am not even going to discuss candida... but worms, my gosh creepy crawly things... If anyone had ever truly tried to convince me even though everywhere you read about it they'll say evryone's got some but still... I would have laughed and said ' no, I doubt it because i do do parasite cleanses with OTC herbal products now and then'... so that being my logic I would have laughed pretty good.

Till last evening and a hefty bm after eating about just one and a half full teaspoons of fresh black walnut hull, previous to which i only ate a small portion of that a couple times earlier last week because the stuff is so nasty raunchy and viscious hot but I gave it my utmost best yesterday and consumed more... and that hefty bm literally had dead creepy crawlies in it. I didn't fish around the toilet bowel to see how many or count them but I saw a few very obvious ones, whitish in color, maybe an inch to inch and a half in length, have no idea what they were species wise but definitely worms. And I am a pretty clean living person. Who however in the past had quite an appetite for oysters on the half shell, the occasional steak tartar, sushi... well who knows where i got them not really important I guess but certain things are certainly now off my menu.

So the scoop on black walnut hull, it works. I will be doing that every other day or for the next couple weeks and got me some whole cloves to go with it too till my blood is saturated with bug killer to get them even in my toes. My hands are stained nicely black from slicing the stuff, rather embarrassing that'll be for a bit but I think I can endure it. How do I feel? Great, no yucky OTC herbal parasite cleanse symptoms whatsoever.

Here's my Christian testimony part... the spirit of the Lord that is with me here... urged me to take a bike ride last week. i was busy with stuff for a good few weeks and didn't want to break from my desk but after he kept telling me I did take a break, simply to stretch my legs. And lo and behold just up the road there are the walnuts ... aha. So I get some like i told you already, that was last week. I ate a bit sheepishly. He led me out again early yesterday to a different area and we got better greener ones and voila, worms. Now.. I have been wondering something for a while and I finally have the answer... about 'Lord why don't you just heal me?' Because he has healed me in the past to where I feel brand new, literally. But not in the past several years. I come to the realization, with his help, that my health is constantly being compromised by my own ignorance and that there are things I need to do to stay healed instead of walking right back into the same mess again. Number one on that list for me is stay away from doctors, he had told me that many years ago already I didn't take it seriously enough... dentists included... I actually had some respect for dentists till last winter, big mistake... and not too far down on that list now is do a serious, serious, black walnut hull de-worming cleanse every fall. He also said eat iodine btw, he told me that years ago too and only recently do i take that advice very seriously also.

All things considered if I hadn't gotten sick i wouldn't have been here to absorb all of Russ's strange and stranger conspiracy info which i am not ignoring either so maybe there is a bigger plan even. Russ, my pastor very much enjoys your stuff btw. We have been reviewing it together. Very helpful for strange and stranger times.

Hi Sosick.

That’s totally excellent news about the parasites. Well done for doing something crazy, that you didn’t think had a chance in hell of being right. Eating the bark of a tree! cool! Seriously good news. And I know how u feel, cause I been there!

I was the same. Parasites? Me? no way hose’! I only tried it out in desperation because everything else had failed. I will defo be doing more parasite cleanses. Humaworm was good for me, so I will do another one in the new year.

When u see the worms in the bowl, its like…..Wow man…..i had to get on my hands & knees and had a good old look and a good old poke around….LOL. Never thought looking at me old BM’s would be so fascinating…..LOL. did u take any pictures! Come on ….you can tell me! I have pictures of my gallstones…..the size of golf balls!

I didn’t have worms, I had jet black gloppy tar and I mean black-death-gloppy-gunk-from-hell black coming out my arse!. Mountains of the stuff! Then I had this crushed up leafy stuff, again mountains of the stuff coming out. Better out than in!

Funny thing was (well in fact it wasn’t funny at all, but u get the gist) everything I tried worked. Everything that could possible be wrong with me, WAS wrong with me. Liver blocked, kidneys not doing the job, digestion screwed, skin blocked, dehydrated everything, now heavy metal poisoning! I just discovered my adrenals are weak now, whatever that means/is/does.

When I had tried everything, I needed to start thinking laterally. I started educating myself about toxins and started systematically trying to eliminate the toxins from my life. Toiletries, cleaning products, foods, lighting, cloths, drinks, water, foods. I have tried so so many different things this year. Its been pretty exciting too, all this educating and learning, finding out all this really strange stuff.

The very first weirdness I discovered this year…was I am allergic to metal. I’m talking about the gold rings on my fingers, the gold chain aground my neck. Un-funking-believeable. Allergic to my rings! What rubbish! But I was, and I am. The rings on my rings and the chain around my neck is a toxin to me. When I removed them I got a little better. How totally strange is that? That’s not reading about it happening to someone in a book and just saying yeah yeah yeah pull the other one! This was happening to me! Right here. Right now. I could tell and feel them making me weak. I find muscle testing a wonderful tool, it enables ME to feel whats happening to ME right here and right now. Not some lab test or book or doctor telling me something, but in your face, you cannot ignore it because you can feel it, like the sunshine on your face.
I still shake my head in disbelief at this, even now after all I have learned.

Now, God; I am not a man of God, but I love what happened to you. Being led, kicking and screming, to get healed! Again you wouldn’t believe unless it happened 2 u. Wonderful.

At the moment I am ignoring the conspiracy stuff and the chemtrails. My life is full to the brim and there just aint no room for chemtrails and the like just yet….
Thanks for yr kind words, I have discovered so much weird stuff, its only fair I give some strangeness back.
We are indeed in strange and stranger times.

Well, Jesus never dragged me anywhere kicking and screaming... I am just a bit lazy sometimes so slow to move.. maybe not even lazy I have a huge list of stuff to do all the time and well, mostly it's probably that, hard to break me out of my current focus sometimes.

What brought the golf ball size gallstones out of you? The epsom salt/oil cleanse thing?

Last round of walnut hull made my stomach kind of sore I may have overdone it... nasty stuff I barfed. The grossest looking huge wad of green-grey thick slime came heaving up out my lungs the next morning too. I think it kills everything. I cannot imagine anything could live engulfed in that. Suppose to be a great organic pesticide too, for the garden. I really should freeze some.

No I did not take photos. Truly it's one of those items that will not make it on my memory list.

Now I just have to figure out how to give it to the cat without ruining our wonderful relationship. I fear she will hate me for it for a week. Cats have short memories though I've noticed. We have had two cats stolen in the past 4 years, weird... people steal our cats. A neighbor saw a little girl and her mother take one and a dumb friend of mine that lives in another state took the other one home with him and wouldn't give her back. We do raise nice friendly happy cats. this one just showed up one day about a year ago, sunning herself on the porch and has never left. A fat happy thing, not a stray at all but she doesn't seem to miss her old home, forgot about them long ago. She does have quite a fear of big black garbage bags so that might be a telltale sign of someone bagging her up and dropping her off. It's ok we like her. But I would like her dewormed. Maybe if I just give her a teeny tiny bit everyday for a couple weeks...

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! SoSick! You totally kill me man. LOL. I’m sorry to laugh out loud, but quality post mate. That really made to laugh like a loon. LOL.

Barfed is such a quality descriptive word too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

“Suppose to be a great organic pesticide too, for the garden” LoL, seriously I can’t stop laughing.

“I really should freeze some.” LOL…….stop it! I can’t breathe man.

“Now I just have to figure out how to give it to the cat without ruining our wonderful relationship.” LOL……really stop it, it hurts now.

“But I would like her dewormed” – LOL ………s t o p

“Maybe if I just give her a teeny tiny bit everyday for a couple weeks...” - LOL …………………………………cchhchcckkckkc…………..a a a a k k k

Very funny, very funny indeed, sorry……..not funny that u yacked. Not in the slightest bit funny. Sorry its not funny at all. no way.

Very unpleasant having a “huge wad of green-grey thick slime came heaving up” <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I am crying now! You made a grown man cry!

Ah dear oh dear….(wiping my eyes….sniff…..) and u know what? I took some of the parasite cleanse stuff I told u about, Clarkia, yesterday evening. Just 5 little drops of the stuff. And boy have I been feeling bad today! I have seriously bad stabbing pains right between my shoulder blades all day long. Like crazy wild stabbing pains, seriously hurting. Its not funny ok. It really hurts ok.
My skin has been itchy all day long too, from head to toe I have been itchin’ like a blue arsed monkey. I had to buy some nail clippers at lunch time because I kept scratching myself and I drew blood on my head!
I obviously still have a parasite issue!

My head is the itchyiest………really itchy. All from 5 drops of this stuff. lucky I didn’t take the 10 drop I was supposed to take.

Gallstone the size of golf balls, yeah liver flushing. Amazing see such big things flush out.

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Glad you enjoyed it, laughter is good for you.

The black walnut hull makes me itchy too, but not as extreme as yours sounds, just a little bit itchy here for about a day after eating it the first couple times, arms mostly. I am ready to go at it again today within the hour hopefully. I think it makes you itchy because there are certain types of whatevers that live in your skin, and when they die, it gets itchy as your body finally attacks and heals whatever died... like a brush burn on your knee can get itchy as it heals. Just guessing at that but it makes sense to me. 35% food grade H2O2 does the same thing I noticed, will raise up little tiny pimple things in your skin which itch a bit as they heal... could be anything, staph, strep, who knows. If we're really blessed it might even be mycoplasmas.

I really really do have to get some of this down the cat's throat. I hate the idea of making her sick for a day though.

Yeah, its good to have a good ol’ laugh now an then. Thank you.

Going in for more? Gook luck, maybe don’t take so much this time, otherwise my leg might fall off next time.

Cat: why don’t u chop it up nice n small and just mix it in with his grub?

I got some of that 35% food grade H202 that u recommended for my Epsom salt baths. I had one last night, lovely. Thanks again for that top-tip.Works fine although I got some on my hands and they went all white….pretty vicious stuff. what do u do with yours~?

Today I am a blue arsed money with a furry yellow tongue! My head really itches like a crazy itchy thing that itches like crazy. Nothing serious but annoying, just another battle to get through.

I think I will steer clear of the Clarkia for now. I will wait until 3 months have gone by and then do another parasite cleanse with Humaworm. I need 3 months between parasite cleanses to avoid creating “resistance” in parasites.

oh gosh, the stuff is so nasty tasting you cannot chop it small enough to fool a cat. I have to force feed.

The h2o2, baths, same as you with sea salt. Haven't done one in a while, haven't felt the need. I think I only have about 1/3 of a gallon left so I was kind of saving it for winter. And I wash down my garden veggies and potted plants with it too, just a little bit of it in that water. Kills bacteria, oxygenates. I mix a bit of it with liquid soap in an old hand soap dispenser and use around the kitchen sink too. And of course, a last resort for stubborn laundry stains.

You'll appreciate the itching when it stops. I am amazed you are still itching, must have been a lot of something. Well as bad as the itchy is now you will feel that much unitchy in a few days I guess. I was getting little pimples on the side of my rib cage and those have gone away since I have been eating the walnut hull. My colon cleanse lady says that type of stuff is an indication of little parasites, she actually had some and was showing me... teeny tiny little pimples with a little white spot in the center. Had a few on my arms too, gone now far as I can tell. Maybe I caught them from her, I didn't have them before. I'll tell you something, when I was real sick from the mercury I felt like an open sore ready to host any available bug. Truly dangerous to be that sick in that respect.

Well, once I am all cleaned up again I am not letting anyone touch me if I can help it. You know when you are sitting in the dentist office and he's there breathing down your throat? Gosh I thought that was so gross. No telling where a dentist has been or what he's been into if he thinks it's ok to put mercury in your teeth. I learned more about heavy metals and chemicals and the various reactions they can cause in art school than they apparently teach dentists in dental school. I mean really, I have artists' books with long lists of the stuff and the dental commuinty pretends everyone is stupid. My dentist was such a moron he actually filled a tooth with mercury and covered it with amalgam after I specifically asked him not to use mercury and then he later denied he did it.

Knowing what we now know I know not what I would have done to a dentist that knowingly messed with me like that.(eh?)

Much less itchy today, only my head now. Should be gone in the morning.

Raw meat cat food experiment update after 7 weeks

Cat update:

Cats are fine and dandy. Happy as larry. Cool as a cucumber. Fit as a fiddle. Top cats. They remain uber healthy lean mean killing machines, terminator cats.
I ran out of raw meat to feed them this morning. When I came back at 11am to feed them, they had already fed themselves! My lawn was covered feathers!

Me update:

My weight has stabilised at around 63kg (138 pounds) which is up about 1 stone (7kg) in 6 weeks. I have some meat on me now, a little bit of fat. I am no longer cold all the time. I have gone up 1 notch on my belt and I have grown out of one pair of trousers.
This may sound mundane to you, maybe you r trying to lose weight, but this is like a bloody miracle for me. I remain overjoyed at the turnaround and change. The difference in me is like day and night.
Don’t forget I am 6foot 1in, and I was almost zero body fat, a lean mean skinny machine.

I remain hungry and I still eat a lot more than I did, but the headlong rush and feeding frenzy has calmed down. When the food intolerances first disappeared all my body wanted to do was re-fuel and gain as much weight as possible as quickly as possible.

I was tested for soya and I am also fine to eat that now, if I choose. However after learning about soya I will avoid it.

All my other intolerance remain disappeared. Which means I am still fine to eat and a host of other foods.

I still cannot handle any dairy products, chemicals like MSG are out so no Chinese food for me! I cannot handle sulphur foods either which is due to being poisoned by mercury. Nasty business dentistry.

“How does he know he doesn’t have “hidden intolerances”?” I hear you cry! Because, before they disappeared if I ate one teeny tiny mouthful of any of the above I would be sick for 5-10 days. I was what they call a “universal-reactor.” I used to have a real bad flare up of symptoms and they are not longer with me! Hallelujah!

The reason my weight has stabilised is because I am having my amalgams fillings removed at the moment, one quadrant at a time. Each removal gives me a nice little exposure of mercury and a nice addition to my mercury body burden. So I get sick for 3-4 days per week for about 3 weeks after each visit to the dentist. Nasty really, but they must be removed if I ever what to get completely better. No pain, no gain.

Still a long way to go, but I have turned the corner and no doubt about it. Removal of the cat toxin was the straw that broke my camels back, but I still have much to learn and many toxins to remove.

There will soon be light at the end of the tunnel for me to see, I’m pretty sure it's just around the next corner……………..

No, c'mon, you cannot possibly have any fat on you at 6'1" and 138 lbs.

gee whiz I am a 5'9" woman weighing in just a tad under that and people tell me I am thin as stick. I am too, I can barely keep my usual size 8 leggings up, I am trying to gain my normal weight back. I should be at about 140+. Honestly right now I am between a 6 and 8 but I am too tall to be a size 6 so like you must be right in there also and you are way way too tall to be a ladies size 6.

A 6'1" guy should weigh about 170 to look good (and healthy) in my opinion, even more if he's got great muscles. Keep eating!!!

You sound like this skinny 80 lb 13 year old friend of my daughter's with a 14 inch waist... she'll grab a piece of flabby flesh at her waist because she rarely exercises and say 'see, look, fat!. It's not fat. It's just skin desiring some meat underneath!!

Compared to 1 month ago, I feel as stuffed as a butchers pup, but yeah I see yr point……………….I am marginally less skeletal than I was. Is that better?

I have lost a whopping 66 lbs over 9 years.

I am eating lots, but amalgam removal keeps screwing me up. Feel like a sack o s..t again today, brain fog is back. This is the after-effects from 3 weeks ago. The reverberations keep bouncing back on me every 7 days. At least they are getting less severe. It today I am Mr Angry. I need to be alone really, not surrounded by people in MY OFFICE. GRRRRRRRR

The parasite experience this week has not helped either. Heartburn is back. Dehydrated. Still a bit itchy too. Nothing too bad, just more battles to fight.

All in all today sucks!

You know what I noticed... I seem to get some brain fog when I am slightly constipated. I know the metals and stuff can really slow down the bm's and then the mercury redistributes from the gut.... and then after my big doses of walnut hull last last week I felt kind of very clogged earlier this week.. so I downed about 3 tablespoons of castor oil, I think Tuesday evening/ Castor oil is suppose to be good for helping release toxins from your liver right? They use it with the external packs ... but it's also a laxative, you can actually eat it so I did that.

Gotta tell ya, I started feeling real good yesterday. By late evening I was actually wondering exactly what I had done to feel so very good.. I really think it was the castor oil and then yesterady I was eating some yucca too (have a big tree in a big pot had to cut some it's getting way too big) so that may have influenced it also. Yucca is suppose to be a good kidney cleanser. So of course I'll be eating it all day today too. i was going to do the gallstone liver cleanse thing this weekend but now I'll wait another week, do some more walnut hull parasite cleansing now that I know how to unclog myself after it.

It wasn't vitamins or anything else making me feel good either, I've really only taken a little bit of vitamin C all week and some iodine in about 5-6 days.

hey Sunshine
I noticed in one of your earlier posts you had even became allergic to your rings. My mom become allergic to all metals when she got sick 13 years ago. She couldn't wear a watch either...it would stop working on her and that was about 10 years before she got sick. At the time we thought it was a fluke but she could take it off and put it on the counter and it would start ticking. More strangeness LOL!!! I am sure my mom had mercury fillings also from what I remember and she always had problems with aches, pains, depression and anxiety.
Also you mentioned your weight loss over a span of time. Six years ago I weighed 180 and was still gaining...could not lose any weight and I tried. I am only 5ft 1 in. Well over the last six years I started losing little bits at a time and I thought that was great. well little did I know I was just getting more toxic and sicker. I now weigh 110. I don't know where it all went but this is the smallest I have ever been but now I really need alot of toning up. look like a prune LOL!!! Hang in there sounds like you are really seeing some progress now...good for you!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Castor oil:
“Many older people remember the home remedies for parasites such as the very commonplace castor oil treatment. Before the 1930’s it was common and routine for families to worm themselves every six months. In the 1800’s, medical doctors would supervise the biannual de-worming process for their patients. The European medical community of today still recommends biannual worming with castor oil.”

My BM ok this week, bit murky due parasite action but 2 per day = Happy dayz.

Hi skieslimit.
How strange is that! The watch not working on yr mums arm, but working on the side! More cool strangeness LOL! I love these stories.

Re weightloss, yeah at first I was like well happy. I remember going to the Doc for something and I said I thought it was a bit strange to be losing all this weight. At that time I was working out regular at the gym, but I was still drinking like a Lord and caning it at the Clubs. He said “well done!” and sent me on my way. Muppet!

“well little did I know I was just getting more toxic and sicker” – yup me too.

Yeah I’m hanging on for dear life yet again. I seem have had my two steps forward and now I’m having my one step back. When I feel this bad I find it very difficult to pretend that I am well. Today was difficult, miserable and bloody itchy.

But its the weekend now and it will pass..................(big sigh....itch...itch....itch)

Hang in there I feel for ya and I am so glad we have weekends!!! I rest alot on the weekends or the next week I start feeling really crappy toward the middle of the week. Well feel better soon Sunshine <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Rachel

A good 30-45 minute soak in a very warm h2o2 and sea salt bath should cure the itch quickly. Whatever it is it's going out through your skin.

I would follow that with cocoa butter or whatever you've got that closest to pure all natural, seal yourself up because dry skin gets itchier and healthy skin is real important for the rest of you. Kind of your body's first defense and it's largest organ. Aloe is great.

I wasn't aware that castor oil was used for deworming, hmm maybe I can use that on the cat, the taste is not all that bad.

Kind of funny you always feel yucky after the cats have slaughtered prey in the yard though. I would check for lice I would indeed. I had this cat in NYC that would play on the roof of our building, I was the last apt at the top of the stairwell, old Ny building... anyway he would bring birds down, pigeons and one time I took a close look and well,,, I never let him out there again it was so disgusting the bugs on that bird. Big ones, tick like things, little ones, lice, you name it. Probably better in the country than in the city but still just about anything that nests is a for sure for lice and whatever else. Take a good look at a bird's nest if you ever get the chance. I have seen lice in them everywhere, cities, country, doesn;t matter. My daughter caught lice from playing with birds' nests as a little kid. What a chore to get rid of. Personally I don't think it's wise to encourage the cats to hunt but I have no idea how to stop them either if they are really into it.

That is really weird about the watch.

hey this is interesting... I was looking for my liver cleanse info because I thought maybe I would do it this weekend, and I have it downloaded on my computer...but I ran into a humaworm page I saved way back too and it says this about black walnut on the list of ingredients:

[color:"blue"] BLACK WALNUT– The dried and ground green hull of the Black Walnut contains tannin which is an organic iodine as well as juglandin, juglone and juglandic acids. It has been used for centuries to expel various types of worms including parasites that cause skin irritations – such as ringworm. It oxygenates the blood, which also helps to kill parasites. Black Walnut is very effective against tapeworms, pinworms, candida albicans (yeast infections) and malaria. It is also effective in reducing sugar levels, and helping the body rid itself of toxins. [/color]

It oxygenates the blood... I thought it must! But I wasn't sure it was from that... Ever since I did that one really big day of it last week, whenever I spit out flem ( I try not to swallow flem, in the toilet it always goes) lately, it's full of bubbles. Well the only other time in recent history I have ever seen my spit full of air bubbles is when I do the h2o2 baths. I mean lots of air bubbles in my spit. that is a really good thing. Kind of gross but important info. Oxygen in the blood is one of the best ways to kill all sorts of vermin and where I was going to the integrative med they use h2o2 IV's to oxygenate blood (with Vit C too) as a cancer treatment with pretty good success because apparently cancer thrives in non-oxygenated environments..

I am going to have to call my doc and tell him because it really works and lasts. I actually didn't even do any walnut this week, too clogged early on and so the last time I did was what, 8-10 days ago? And the air bubbles are still there all the time. i must have been really lacking oxygen previously. the h2o2 baths never had this major effect.

Errrmmmmm. SoSick. This is really spooky! Do I know you from another forum?

Anyway……

Salt baths, yes…..i was pointed towards salt baths a couple of days ago, by someone else (that I also mistook as man!)

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=378721#i
(long long post…bath bit at the end)

Now you too! How strange! I think I need to get out more…..

Anyway….

Salt baths, yes…. i was pointed towards salt baths a couple of days ago, so I tried one this afternoon. Lovely hot salt bath. I used lots of sea salt 2lbs (1kg). 30 minutes soak. I must admit it made me feel much better.. I felt better than after my Epsom salt baths with h202. I will defo be having more salt baths

Anyway…..

Really strange this because I mistook you for a man this week too.

Anyway……

You messing with my mind? ? ? ?

Anyway…..

I always find it very funny when making an assumption about some and getting it completely wrong. It is a two way thing as I have been mistaken as a lady a couple o times.

Anyway.....

Maybe its just paranoia? Now I like a bit a paranoia. I used to get it a lot when a smoke pot all the time. I used to wallow in it.

Anyway…..

Random eh?

Anyway…..

Do u put H202 in to yo salt baths? Do u use that much salt? That’s a lots salt I used 2 lbs! Made me feel pretty good though.

Anyway….

I’m on holiday next week! happy dayz!

Anyway…..i’d better go an lie down….. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

doubt it, I don't post at any other forums, read them now and then though.

You wouldn't mistake me for a guy in person. But alas, neither am I looking.. heh.

I use about 1-2 cups H2O2 solution per bath depending on how whacked out or dirty I feel, about an equal amount of sea salt. I don't know what that measures out to pound wise, about a pound per cup on the sea salt I think.

and I alway use aloe and cocoa butter after for a truly silky sensation. very unmanlike but I can surely say men like that very much... ummm....

right... where were we... anyway..

Ok, it must just be paranoia or just some random weirdness passing through. I blame the mercury. I promise never to think of you as a man again.

I use coconut oil for that kinda of thing, but yeah…..moving swiftly on…………

Update on the Cat experiment:

Phase 2:

Other unsuspecting victims have now been drawn into my murky experiment now.
I have some friends staying over at my place for 2-4 weeks. One of them is allergic to cats. Rashes, sneezing, itchy…the usual reaction people with cat allergies get when they come in contact with cats or live in a house with cats.

Unfortunately no choice remains and they only have us to stay with, otherwise they will be back on the street. Well not really the street, but they are cool friends and its pretty convenient for them and we have the space, so they will be staying.
But one of them, Gill, is allergic to cats. No doubt about it, allergic to cats.

It will be very interested to see what happens to her. What normally happens is sneezing, itchy, rashes, swelling up kinda of things…..

So it’s gonna be pretty difficult for me to “fake” the results. She will either be fine, or she will get the usual allergic symptoms.

Will my ultra-health cats, currently fed on the raw meat diet, cause allergic reactions to someone else? Or will my cats cause no allergic reaction?

Exciting eh?

If you give the cats a bath she'll feel much better. It's not the hair people are allergic to, it's something in their saliva and of course they spend half the day preening themselves and it builds up on them. Gets in the air too. I sneeze pretty good when the cat is dirty, runny eyes etc, no problem if she gets a bath once a month or so though.

It's why I use the tea tree oil soap on her too. Something in the tea tree helps break down the saliva.

Pure coconut oil is actually drying to your skin. You'll notice it gets kind of wrinkly when you use it a lot. Sesame is a cheap and handy tradeoff you can buy at the grocer in pretty good pure quality. Much better for your skin. Don't use oilive oil if you go out in the sun a lot, it photosensitzes your skin but otherwise is ok too. I made that mistake once and ended uop with weird spotty dark patches on my neck that took a couple years to fade completely. Luckily I was wearing a hat that day but my neck got a good amount of sun.

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couldn't resist.

Not a chance in hell I’m gonna even attempt to bath the cats. No way.

Yeah, olive oil and sun, not a good combo. I remember in my youth, travelling to Rome and sunbathing on the beach there. I put baby oil on to “top-up” my tan.
What a cock! That was the worse sunburn I ever had, and I was backpacking too. Ouch!

I start most days with OPing for 20 mins. Its pretty boring sitting around doing that so I always have 10 minutes of dryskin brushing, then I use virgin coconut oil as an all over massage and my skin is soft n smooth like a likkle fluffy lambkin. Especially my feet. My feet are real double triple super duper soft, which is exactly what I need. I wear shoes all day. I am a bloke. I don’t care about my feet. My whole body is completely screwed up, most of my internal organs are stuffed full of gunk, but I have lovely softy wofty feety weety. Great!

Can I have scabby feet and everything else working please?

Well if coconut oil suits you, what the hey. I read in a book that it dries out your skin a bit and I noticed it would make the tops of my hands look a tad older then when I used other stuff, well they are old but I don't like them to look that way. Great to eat though. I alway use coconut oil for baking, cookies and stuff, pie crusts etc. The fluffiest pie crusts ever.

I have never met a cat that didn't appreciate being clean and unitchy. I have had the opportunity to treat a good dozen and a half cats to baths over the years, probably 6 or 7 my own, I've always had a cat around, and then we would let stray kittens in when they would wander up (still do that), treat 'em real good for a few weeks, clean 'em up, litter train them, tie a bow on their necks and take them to a picnic or something with a sign on them that says 'I need a home'. Really. I can find a kitten/young cat a nice home with loving little girl within 15 minutes every time with that routine. They spit and sputter a bit the first time, you have to keep reassuring them, but they love being clean and pretty smelling when they are dry. They love the attention they get afterwards too. You really have to baby them through it, cradle them in a blankie as they dry and they actually do pretty well with it. That cat in NY that used to hunt pigeons, he actually liked baths, he was the only one that actually sat in the kitchen sink and smiled all the way through it. He had a water fixation, was always amazed by a dripping faucet.. he would sit and look at the water dripping for hours, try to catch it in his paws. he was real cute. all white like yours. He ran off after some lady cat one day and got lost in the city unfortunately. He was fixed and he runs after a lady cat. well he was born on the street and eventually wanted to go back I guess. Still, I cried for weeks.

We have another cat coming next week. I really dont want another, I hope our current boarder does ok with her. But I cannot turn the cat away, it's a hard hard woeful request from our landlord because the cat belonged to their son who has gotten ill of late, may have epilepsy, it runs in their family. They practically begged me to take her what can I do. So for diplomacy sake I will take another cat. egads. But they want to buy my paintings all the time too so downline you never know, it helps to have a rich friend. I could pay my rent in trade. they are millionares 5 or ten times over they hardly need my few bucks.

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I do need their love and appreciation.

One of my cats has a water fixation too. Plays with the dripping tap for hours on end. Loves water, maybe he would like a bath? Ummmm?

I can’t believe I’m considering giving my cat a bath? Ummm?

Cool method of relieving yourself of extra cats, I can picture it now with a lovely little red bow.

We all need rich friends. Doesn’t matter how rich you are, there are always people that are richer than you. The grass is always greener on the other side! I’m on holiday tomorrow and I’m staying in my rich friends’ big country house in the south of France. Happy dayz!

We got a strange connection going on here SoS. How did u know one of my cats was white? Crazy world we live in, eh? Did I tell u that in an earlier post? Oh well, just more random strangeness.

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I thought you said your cats were white. Anyway, the one cat will probably do ok with a bath then. The other will still appreciate it afterwards. Talk them through it, just keep talking real gentle to them and it will go well. Generally, they don't like being wet but they always love, absolutely love, being clean afterwards. Makes them feel like a real member of the family i think. they see you taking showers right? Don't use cheap chemical flea shampoo on them, look online for some good tea tree cat shampoo, or else use your own shampoo and put some tea tree oil in there.

If I didn't have fiends with money I have no idea what I would have done for a living for most of my life. I have been decorating their homes for years with pretty paint and paintings. No need to ask where I got my high lead levels from. I used to lacquer and polish very expensive walls with lacquer even. it looks so cool, very artsy and unique every time. I hate office work. So boring. I do office work for my own busineess these days, I have to force myself to sit at the desk. It's why I come here... I am actually suppose to be working but I get really really bored with data data data. I love the people I meet through the biz though so that helps. you all are pretty neat too. I have learned so much here.

I’m outta here.
See you later alligator.
Got myself a fast car.
Open road,
Wind in my hair,
My car Stereo has sub woofers & its gonna be very loud <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/twothumbsup.gif" alt="" />

“Living easy
Loving free
Season ticket on a one way ride
Asking nothing
Leave me be
Taking everything but my stride
Don't need reason
Don't need rhyme
Ain't nothin' I would rather do
Going down
Party time
My friends are gonna be there too, eh

I'm on a highway to hell
On the highway to hell
Highway to hell
Im'on the highway to hell

No stop signs
Speed limit
Nobody's gonna slow me down
Like a wheel
Gonna spin it
Nobody's gonna mess me 'round
Hey Satan
Payin' my dues
Playin' in a rockin' band
Hey momma
Look at me
I'm on my way to the Promised Land, woh

I'm on the highway to hell
Highway to hell
I'm on the highway to hell
Highway to hell

Mmm, don't stop me
No, oh, ouw

I'm on the highway to hell
On the highway to hell
I'm on the highway to hell
On the highway to
Hell
Highway to hell
I'm on the highway to hell
Highway to hell
Highway to hell
Highway to hell
I'm on the highway to hell
Highway to hell

And I'm goin' down,all the waa-ay-aay, wohh
M-on the highway to hell”

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Back in a week <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Cat experiment update: phase II

If u remember, the plot thickened with the arrival of my unsuspecting house guests staying for a couple of weeks, “if yo not out by Christmas you will be thrown out!”, one of which is allergic to cats. She gets all the usual cat allergies, swelling, sneezing, itchy, usually within 30 minutes of being in a catty house. Her little daughter, age 3 has no cat problems, she loves cats and plays with the cats all the time, so its pretty hard for Mum to avoid the cats. She has had to feed them too, whilst I was on holiday.

I’m back from holidays and…………….she is fine with the cats. No allergic reaction to the cats. Nothing. No swelling. No itching. No sneezing. She was not really looking forward to staying because of the cats and is pretty relieved nothing bad has happened. I declare myself a HERO!

(if anyone knows anything about this connection between cats/humans & allergic stuff let me know, because I am working in the dark here, and I’d love to find out more. What/why/when kinda thing.)

SoSick: glad to here yo liver cleanse is so good. My effects where always short term.
When my remaining gallstones re-clogged my tubes I continued my health struggles. But…I had not done a parasite cleanse then. Nor a bowel cleanse either. If&when I do another it will be straight after a parasite cleanse. It is very inspirational hearing about yr success with it. Makes me want to do another. But………..last amalgam out tomorrow…..so I need to chill. Now is not the right timing for liver flushing.

Parasites: u remember that stuff I took. 5 drops of Clarkia. Just 5 little drops. Man o man I been stuggling with parasites ever since…..funkin’ ‘mare. I have real painful stabbing pains between my shoulder blades most of the time. For the past 2 weeks my BM’s have been full of parasite gunk/junk/waste. Which I’m pretty happy about actually…better out than in.

I am actually feeling in probably the best shape for a couple years. Still screwed up, no doubt about it, still no exercise possible, still tired, but certainly massively better than I was. Double massively really, which is nice.
Which is also perfect timing for my last amalgam removal tomorrow which will no doubt screw me up. Again. The last removal was undoubtedly the worst 4 days I have ever had in my life. And that is saying something, believe me!

But……….no pain no gain <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" />

Hey Sunshine
The cat experiment is really interesting, I have a cat but no allergies to her tho. Thank goodness, I just got her about 5 months ago when I was in really bad shape. She is definately my buddy. Well just wanted to say good luck tomorrow and your right about the no pain no gain. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/kewldance.gif" alt="" />

To hell and back eh?

What's in the Clarkia exactly? thought you said it was black walnut hull. Great stuff I think, the walnut hull. I have been putting it into the cats' water. Plural, cats'. Didn't really want another oh well my cat doesn't like her my daughter does, she lives in her bedroom... comes out to do her business and eat and sneaks back quickly or gets hissed at. Skinny thing, looks like a mongoose.

I used to get the stabbing between the shoulder blade pains, always attributed it to too much sitting at the desk work. Haven't had it in 4-5 years... got rid of it by strengthing those muscles by chopping lots of firewood now and then, rowing etc. Those muscles seem to respond real well to heavy duty stretching, like when you swing a heavy ax. Not a cheap light ax, a good heavy one. Or row, kayaking, canoeing, whatever. Doesn't take much either, just 10 minutes or so to straighten them out an unkink and pain is gone. I remember that stabbing pain well, a lot like hell and back. Nasty. Used to put me flat on my back now and then in tears and grief. Chop some firewood, it's easy relief. Really does work. Then get a bottle of cabernet sauvignon.. light the fire.. relax... couple more weeks and I get to test my new skis I bought 2 new pair I am feeling top notch almost... I have a savior though, no hell and back here really I do what i do for the mercury and junk but truly I think I get a lot of divine help in the feel good area too. Maybe that's why he said stay away froim doctors i am probably actually sick as a dog but don't know it. Even my paintings look super these days. I figure, life is not perfect no matter what I've learned a lot about what I've got and know how to keep it under control at least. No sign of headaches... no sign of worms... maybe I had some in my head making it hurt. I read somewhere they can even be in your brain, imagine that. I had this friend years back who had this friend who died and they did an autopsy and the guy was full of holes, all his internal organs, worms what else. Wouldn't have known it by looking at him, most you could say was he had lousy skin but otherwise looked and acted quite normal. Imagine that.

Hi So Sick
I do some stretching for my shoulders too and seems to help loosen them up alot. I clean houses and apts. for a living and that keeps me moving. Some days are really tough but I keep on trying. My legs are another story tho, especially my right leg. Darn thing wants to stay a mile behind me and hurt and burn. Wish I could do something to get that better. Rest is improving but if I push that right leg just gives me crap. Got any suggestions. I am at a loss but I guess having a bum leg is better than no leg at all. I am glad to hear you are doing so much better...really gives me hope to see the light at the end of this tunnel one day.
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I ride a mountain bike if my legs feel stiff. Get the blood moving. We have a great backyard for stuff like that. Swimming is good too if you've got the time... But also, my legs will fall asleep a little bit sometimes, get tingly, if I still still for too long, and I get this weird pressure in my thighs from time to time... well they were a lot worse a few years ago and I noticed also I was getting these teeny tiny varicose veins which I never had... a friend of mine recommended cutting out hydrogenated fats (read package labels, its in a lot of stuff) and the little varicose veins ceased completely, my legs do not get as stiff from sitting... I am not a sitter but sometimes have to... and then of all things, that hulda clark liver cleanse, yes I will mention it again... when I was doing that, in the midst of it I felt that weird pressure in my thighs for about an hour and then it was gone again, but I haven't felt it at all since and I am really wondering still at this point about what a wonderful thing that liver cleanse is and how much better my circulation feels all over from it the past couple weeks. I was feeling pretty well clogged up after the walnut hull parasite duty and that feeling is truly all gone.

I am going to do it again next weekend. I should do it this weekend but don't want to ruin my Friday/Saturday with that, it's not fun.

Sunshine, the castor oil really smoothed out the liver cleanse. It's probably a good idea to follow it with some castor oil to ease out leftovers. I felt exactly like you describe after mine too, like stuff unloaded to a lower level; and was stuck there. I ate the castor oil the evening of the day after I finished the liver cleanse. I think I took some a couple days later in the evening too but haven't needed it since.

A heavy ax and about 10-15 minutes of chopping wood, till you break a sweat, really is the absolute best for that stabbing burning shoulder blade ache. Works like a gem. Wear gloves to protect your precious palms. I've gotten so good at it I can crack enough chainsawed logs in 30 minutes to keep the fireplace stoked all week. Then of course I lift these big boulders onto my shoulders and walk around a while...

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Hi Skieslimit. Yeah, cat experiment is exciting. If u go to the very top of this posting, to my very first posting, prior to starting the experiment. I said “As far as I am aware I am not allergic to cats. Cats have been in my life all my life.” I do not get the usual cat allergy symptoms. Don’t forget I did this in desperation as everything else had failed. The results of this experiment was the straw that broke the camels back for me. It was the removal of this toxin from my environment that finally enabled me to start healing. I didn’t think I was allergic to cats either, I was just thinking laterally and hoping it might work. i too thought ….and I quote you “I have a cat but no allergies to her tho.”

SOS: Aw! U make me laugh so often. You have such a different life to me. swinging axes, kayaking, canoeing, lost on a mountain, eating bark off trees, bathing cats every day, you really do lead a fun-packed life, LOL. I live and work and a great big city. My job is sitting in front of a computer and talking to loads of people, convincing them to do what I want them to do.

My stabbing shoulder pains are parasites giving me hell. They flare with when I parasite cleanse. They flare up when I eat parasite unfriendly food. They flare up when I eat my orgainic health grub which I eat all the time. Stretching is good for me and I do have a heavby axe, but I have more chance swinging the cat that swinging an axe at the moment.

Good luck on the next liver flush…I envy you. I want all the gruesome details.

Mees too! Ho ho ho.

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yeah cruddy day here too, i bought a couple grocery store tomatoes, knew I should not have eaten that darn thing smelled like a bag of nitrate fertilizer when I sliced it. Headache, not too bad though I made some heavy duty garlic hommous and that'll have me perky again by evening I hope. Maybe it was the wine a friend brought over some homebrew egads.

I have a desk job also aside from all the rest, spend a good part of my day schmoozing on the phone too. That's how I know about the achy upper back. It's the slouched over keyboard for hours effect.

egads headache, left eye mild migraine.

I did do well with the liver flush for sure. Do not forget the castor oil to finish it off a day later

Either way, swinging the ax will work the muscles and help push out the toxins. I love chopping wood. Maybe the headache is from the chainsaw plus the tomato, the wine didn't really bother me, that's probably it. I had to cut a big tree apart yesterday to get at some old wood and the fumes from the chainsaw are pretty nasty, I think there's lead in the stuff that you mix into the gas. I think I am going to buy a respirator to wear when I do stuff like that. I used to always have one handy, a good charcoal organic odors, works well. I was handling plastic resins and lead based lacquer primers for the duration of my pregnancy when my daughter was born, was wearing one of those masks whenever I needed to handle the stuff, and my daughter is as healthy as can be, smartest kid in her class too the only one in the whole school that passed the gifted kids test. So, the respirators work I think.

I used to live in a big city. The pollution really knocks me out these days though. I can only take a few days of that at a time now. I didn't get lost on a mountain just for the scenery, I really hate the pollution and filthy water. Love the shopping though, but I probably have enough shoes to last me 20 years at this point and I cannot get any more clothes into the closet. I really should take some stuff to goodwill. They have great designer jeans for a couple bucks down there I do really go through the bluejeans. either that or my daughter steals them. Whatever.

ACV + baking soda (bicarbonate, make sure it is aluminum free) + water makes alka seltzer btw (minus the chem crap aspirin).

Time to go eat some feverfew. I really do not like having 2 cats in the house. I have no idea what to do. I hate a smelly litter box. ugh. Maybe that's where the headache is from.

"ACV + baking soda (bicarbonate, make sure it is aluminum free) + water makes alka seltzer btw (minus the chem crap aspirin). " - alright! rock n roll....i'm learning so much these days.
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much better today, I hate headaches. probably the gas fumes. I get car sick too, since the age of 3 if I remember corectly. I always puked on long car rides as a kid. The first time we drove up here, then we were driving back down the mountain the first time and the highway is a real long pretty dangerous steep hill heading eastward, I had to pull over and puke too... it's amazing I can do 7 flags theme parks, ride all the roller caosters, ski at real fast speeds downhill, kayak a real fun fast bumpy river and love it all... but put me in a car going down a steep hill and I puke every time.

Gas fumes and me do not not agree.

Drinking isn't real good for you anyway so in time you'll be glad you stopped. Alcohol stays in your system a while I think, kind of clouds your judgement, better to be free of it. doesn't sound like you were an alcoholic though, just a weekend binger. i did lots of that in my 20's. But one day I just stopped and didn't touch any alcohol for over 10-11 years. A bottle of wine is nice by the fire now and then I do admit. Has to be the right brand though or the sulfites will give me a good hangover these days. I never got hangovers in my 20's, never, and I do not recall ever having a bad headache until about 8-9 years ago.

I got and my knees last night and begged for Jesus to heal me.. it went away and I fell asleep, was back this morn, i did the daily liver cleanse thing with just a tad of olive oil, lemon (I added grapefruit juice) and ginger that Mikey recommended and it was gone in an hour again, hopefully won't return. I read somewhere a while back that ginger is headache cure too. I ate a bunch of feverfew and should eat more today. I am wondering about vitamins really, maybe something in some of them that rubs me the wrong way. I feel fine if I don't take vitamins but I feel like I should take vitamins because i do have remnants of mercury poisoning but when i take vitamins the headaches come back. I got this good one a couple days ago, the gas smell really brought it on but it was already threatening, I had been feeling a little bit off for a few days, I was taking vitamins all week. Maybe there is a connection between my headaches and my liver. I think I am going to do the next big liver cleanse mid week. I felt really awesome after that and probably need to get rid of more junk.

I don't know though, I never really took vitamins before all of this, not in a big way anyway and my health was always real good and I was real strong. This mercury thing has set me back about 15 years health wise. I was not in the best of health in my early 30's and spent years cleaning up my act and I was feeling wonderful and then I get this dumped on me. A real drag no kidding.

Do your cats ever fight? These cats always snarl at each other. My cat is an old lady I think, she's pretty subdued, but this other cat is young and leaps at her for whatever reason. I thought they were going to give me a nice tame domestic cat but this thing is a scrapper no wonder they didn't want her.. tears up the garbage if you leave it out, a big problem... My cat is twice her size and pretty much just sits there looking at her so they don't hurt each other or anything but I was wondering if it normal for them to go at each like that. I hope they get over it I hate fighting in my house, even between the cats. Makes everyone feel bad.

You begged the Lord to heal you and then you did a liver flush. Really? Quality! Young lady, you are always makin me laugh. Its funniest when I don’t know if I you serious or not. LOL

Don’t the cats fight until one is the reigning champion? When cats live together one of them has to be the Top-Cat. They will calm down in time.

I too had a great day today. Yesterday was all zombie zombie & hiding myself away. But today…………today was much better. I spent all morning outside in the garden clearing up the leaves. I got a big-ish garden and all the leaves from all the trees around me……they all land in my garden? Mountains of them. I completely filled my leaf compost today…that supposed to last me all winter and its already full. I find pottering about in my garden very therapeutic. My little girl helped too, for a time, which is cool. I always like it when she helps. Her tooth fell out yesterday, she was well happy, tooth fairy brought her £1.50
I will tell u a secret. One of my biggest fears. I dread it. My worst nightmare. What I dread most is to be a road sweep. But not just any old road sweeper, oh no no no. A road sweeper in Autumn. A perpetual road sweeper in Autumn. Imagine that? A road sweeper in Autumn. What a nightmare. No way could I do that. Never! Just think, you slave all day clearing that street up, all day catching those pesky leaves and then…………..and then….you come back the next day and do exactly the same thing again…..and again…..and again…….forever…..that would drive me round the bend.

Had a nice bath in the afternoon. made me feel real funky

yeah truly I did beg last night. I kneeld at the side of my bed and i said.. 'Father, I am not moving from this position till you heal me..'

I felt better in about 5 minutes, really the headache was gone but I woke up with a whammy again. I am working on the illogic of it all, I am aware of it, God knows. Thing is, he is quite real to me, have no doubt, I know for sure Jesus exists, as God in that capacity, and God the Father, they exist, the whole spiel, no doubts whatsoever here about it. He has healed me many time of many things, he has been helping me daily through this.. But there's more going on than I am comprehending is the problem either that or I am a waiting list. I want my teeth healed I want my whole health back, the whole thing and I have been asking every day. But, it kind of goes back to one thing I think, like there was a day way way back where I said to him. 'Father why don't you just kill everything that's evil in me?' because I knew I had a problem there and that spiritual things affect me, even my health.. and you know what he said? he said 'if I did that I would have to kill you too.'

yeah. a certain state of affairs. but anyway...

the leaves are something I can rake for about an hour and then I give up. But hey, being a street sweeper complaining about leaves falling is definitely better than being a street sweeper complaining about litter bugs in a city.

the easy way out is to just mow the leaves, instant mulch. I don't mow though, that is definitely a man's job. Filthy work, ugh, dust and bugs and dirt, not for me. Hot sun, yick. I am not that much of a redneck. Can't stand a sunburned face, very unattractive.

I was wondering if pecking order might be the thing going on with the cats. well, my big old fat cat will win. She already has for the most part if that's it. She sits there about 10 inches from the other cat who just lies down and sort of growls when she's near. Once or twice a day they do the big cat fight sound but still have not left a scratch one one another.

hey if you have a little garden you should put some garlic bulbs in the ground before winter really hits. If you get them in now, and water them every couple days for a couple weeks they should set enough root to be ok and then you'll have mercury free organic garlic in June/July.

I think I know the difference between me and a lot of people.. a lot of people they say 'oh gosh, I am sick' and they believ that and they don't believe in God... where as me I say 'sick? I don't believe it' and I do believe in God, that he is with me everyday and his angels all around and he's the very best help I've got... sometimes the only help actually. Never fails, I suffer a bit along the way that is the human condition, we are stupid for the most part.. every day is a lesson in something...

[quote]Hi Skieslimit. Yeah, cat experiment is exciting. If u go to the very top of this posting, to my very first posting, prior to starting the experiment. I said “As far as I am aware I am not allergic to cats. Cats have been in my life all my life.” I do not get the usual cat allergy symptoms. Don’t forget I did this in desperation as everything else had failed. The results of this experiment was the straw that broke the camels back for me. It was the removal of this toxin from my environment that finally enabled me to start healing. I didn’t think I was allergic to cats either, I was just thinking laterally and hoping it might work. i too thought ….and I quote you “I have a cat but no allergies to her tho.”
Hey Sunshine
I thought about what you said and gave my cat some raw meat today. She ate a couple of bites and turned her nose up at it and walked away. Goofy cat! LOL What meat do you feed yours and how much. My cat is a inside cat...she goes outside but not much of a hunter!! Any suggestions?
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My cat won't eat raw meat either. i don't feel any need to press the issue with her, she's quite happy, I enjoy her subdued loving personally, I don't want her to be sniffing around for blood, chasing birds or eating mice... we don't need a garbage disposal because she loves baked chicken scraps. She likes ice cream too, no cavities yet either, her teeth look awesome, I envy her.

I was brought up with God, but I was the black sheep of the family and I lost my way with him. Not a bad person, just not a man of God. My path through life did not allow a God and in fact I fought him all the way, kickin n screamin, bitin n punchin. We just did not see eye to eye.

However, my rock sure beliefs that there is no God was……how can I say…..shaken this year along my health journey.

Have u ever done any Reiki? I have done a bit. Just 6 or 7 sessions, just to see what its all about, just something else I tried along the way. Now that is some serious weird $hit. Seriously strange and far far beyond my understanding.

I lay on my back, for 1 hour. Eyes closed. Real calm tinkly soothing music turned real super low playing in the background. This Reiki person did not touch me. 100pct zero touching. I just lay there, eyes closed. I did take a quick look at what she was doing and to me, she looked like a witch casting spells! Waving her arms about all over place, just like a witch. Yup bloody weird stuff. I almost left straight away, but…..hey ho….i was interested in what all this strangeness is about so I stayed to see if anything happened.

Over the course of the hour, a real strong healing sensation built up. my hands and feet became real hot. There was a hot glow building deep in my chest. Time rushed by and in no time the hour was up, she gently woke me up as I had fallen asleep. Was a most amazing sensation of healing and well being, warm as toast and cosy. All that and she did not touch me. That is funkin weird to me! I don’t know if u think that’s normal, but I do not think its normal. How the hell did she do that? She never touched me once.

Anyway…..thats not what shocked me and my God beliefs, or non-beliefs. It was just another strange strangeness I had discovered. I was well interested in this to, so I bought a book about Reiki. (u know by now I love reading) Now that book was weird. I really struggled to understand that book, the way of life of the people that wrote the book is so far removed from me and my life. Very different.

And u know what, this reiki stuff, this healing power, this warm cosy sensation of well being……… can be done from afar.

Let me say that again. These reiki dudes, do their reiki business on people when the other person are not present. Like when they are across town, or somewhere else. They sit down do their thing and the person they thinking about feels, gets the same healing sensation and the same feeling of well being.

Freaky or what………certainly never something I would believe……..unless I’d experienced this for myself…..which I just had done!

That is just like praying. When you pray for someone to get better, you concentrate real hard for a short period of time on that sick person.

Even though I do not believe in god, even I know of all the stories of people saying that praying works……….

That really made me think.

There is so much we don’t understand

There is so much to learn

Hi Skieslimit.

Excellent. I have lured you in to my cool cat experiment. Fantastic. I think this is really exciting.

Ok first up, whatever happens, the end result will be a really super doper healthy happy & contented cat. the cat will love you even more, because you are giving the cat exactly what it needs to be healthy wealthy and wise. Cats fed like this last 20 years. It is a bit a drag with the food, but just to have such healthy cats is massively worth it. It is considerably easier than feeding yourself too and very quickly becomes normal routine, just like feeding yourself.

Your cat is used to being fed whatever u normally give him. So its hardly surprising he turned his nose up at this new food.

When I did the changeover I was out at work all day, so they just got hungry and I wasn’t around to see them begging for their normal food. So when I fed them they were already hungry! They loved it straight away anyway.

They don’t like food straight out the fridge. So u have get it up to room temp. Little bit of warm water sat in a bowl or just leave the food out for an hour or two before u feed.
The reason for this is they need to be able to smell the food and if its cold, it does not smell….so they don’t eat it.

I tried, beef, lamb, chicken, kidneys, liver n turkey. Mince is ok, it makes for an easy life, or just get steaks and chop them up nice and small. Blenders work well too.Cats are used to nice small bite size foods. Once they get used to the food I give them bigger bits and they love wrestling with it.

And once they get used to the food they eat it cold too, so I don’t have to faff about warming up the food anymore, but at the start they have to be able to smell the food.

But what they love best….by a country mile….is birds. Chicken and turkey. This is what they would naturally eat in the wild. Its pretty unlikely they would eat cows or sheep in the wild! That’s why they have such lightening fast reactions…..to kill and catch the food they need. Birds and mice.

I had no problems with the change over, but they do now turn there noses up at some food because all they want is birds! LoL

You should also Google “Raw meat diet for cats” there is plenty of websites giving u loads of tips and hints. I needed to do this to convince myself that feeding raw chicken was not gonna kill my cats! But they evolved to eat raw meat and they can handle it no problems.
You will also see lots of people selling “special supplements” that yo cats “need otherwise they are not getting all the nutrients they need” – utter bollocks! They are cats and in the wild, when they evolved, they didn’t have no “special supplements” to keep them lean and mean….they just had what they caught! These people are selling products….or they have already been sold products…. which is why they are pushing these products.
I do chuck in bones now and then. When they eat the mice they catch they eat everything, so little bones are fine. In fact Luke loves chicken bones, he crunches them up like a Lion! But don’t tell my wife, she thinks the bones will get stuck. Rubbish. They didn’t have no anti-bone choking devise in the wild! (not chicken leg bones!…………they too big….the little rib bones.)

What else…………ummmmmmm?

no milk! No UHT milk. Milk is pasteurised. When u pasteurised something you heat it up and boil it. Milk is 100pct no no. it is a cooked product.

I would not “break them is slowly” with a bit of normal food too….it they are hungry they will eat it. Its only if YOU give in to the begging that they will not eat it. If she is not hungry she will not try it. But some people to do it gradually, up to you.

I just remembered, you said she was a she. I can’t be bothered to change what I have typed….

The Pottenger cat Video is very interesting. Very old school. Explains how what and why about cats and raw meat…very interesting. Its only 15 minutes long. I have the European version which I will lend u if that suits yo machine. PM your address and I will LEND it…I want it back.

Now……You!

Changes in you! How exiting! Nothing happens in the first week. All my action was in the second week. if u re-read my early posts on this thread you will see what happened to me…..but I’m sure everyone is different.

I also did a parasite cleanse and veg juice fast at the same time, so I had a lot going on all at once, and maybe that was why I had such a strong healing experience.

Whatever…….for me this was the straw that broke the camels back and I have been healing slowly but surely ever since. i remain overjoyed that my health is now on an upwards path at last.

Good luck and I’d love to hear how it goes.

Even if you feel no effects, the cat will love you more!
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Seriously, aren't you worried about things like salmonella and stuff feeding them raw supermarket chicken and whathaveyou?

Gosh, normal supermarket chicken, even beef, I eat very little of it myself. We do get some good amish farm chicken where we live, we get grass fed no hormone beef. The fat hormone antibiotic shelf chicken... gee whiz did you know they grow those birds in 5 or 6 weeks? That is not a normal bird. I was just talking with a cattle guy friend of mine about that the other day, we were laughing pretty good it's such a gross idea the drugs they pump those caged birds with.

I kept chickens for a while once... they were quite a bit different on the table from supermarket chicken. Different species if you want my opinion. Supermarket chicken, you'll notice that the bones are a bit soft, the meat fatty. Free range chickens have very hard bones and taste a bit gamey, lean, quite different. they also generally take about 4-6 months to reach a size where you would consider eating one. Until you've eaten real free range chicken you have not eaten chicken, really.

So, well i don't know sunshine, it's a nice idea but are you sure that's really what you are doing considering all? Unless of course you are buying them good healthy free range chicken, then i don't have anything to say.

Every now and then I will stoop and but regular supermarket chicken if it's on sale... sad things is my cat likes the amish chicken but doesn't eat the other regular stuff much no matter how nicely you cook it. I should take a hint, she has a better nose than i do.

That's funny, I took out the veggie juicer for the first time all year during my liver cleanse too. Didn't realize how much I missed fresh carrot juice.

Ok, sorry I should have reminded you to research this yourself.

30 mins, maybe 1 hour of researching just these links I found will be very helpful.

Raw meat diets for cats is not new or revolutionary……just outside of the mainstream. (although my Mum feeds her dogs raw meat and she is a Muggle, so maybe its getting out in the open now?)

The connection between cat allergies and humans that I found out about ……now that is new and unconfirmed and unreported. I have not found any research on that. (note: I haven’t looked that hard!)

This post took 10 mins to look up. Google and find thousands of articles about raw cat diets.

Is Raw Meat Safe?
Cats' digestive systems are finely tuned to handle things humans can't. Their stomachs have a highly acidic environment, which is an excellent deterrent to ingested bacteria. In the wild, cats sometimes eat some pretty putrid stuff with no ill effects. Wild cats die more often from infection due to injuries than from food poisoning. However, there are steps you can take if you have concerns about salmonella, e coli, or other bacteria.
• Avoid packaged supermarket ground beef
• Buy "free-range" meat and poultry from a trusted butcher
• Add priobiotics (which help maintain intestinal health) to your raw food mix
• Always use safe handling procedures, and take up and dispose of uneaten food within 30 minutes

WHAT ABOUT SALMONELLA AND E-COLI?
These are more worrisome to humans. Cats are much better able to resist these organisms. They eat their prey raw. Their digestive systems are designed to handle raw food. Their stomach environment is highly acidic, helping to break down and digest meat. Also, their digestive tracts are shorter than ours, and food spends a lot less time being broken down, digested and absorbed or eliminated.

Further reading:

http://www.holisticat.com/rawdiet.html#germies

and

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cach...p;amp;ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk

there is loads and loads of research out there, saying how good raw diets are for pets:-

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cach...;amp;ct=clnk&cd=56&gl=uk

ohhhh…this is a good site…..lots of detail….

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cach...;amp;ct=clnk&cd=73&gl=uk

nasty dry cat food……………..

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cach...;amp;ct=clnk&cd=91&gl=uk

i found my notes from when i researched it and this site is very good.

http://www.alt4animals.com/nutrition_feline.htm


The Feline Raw Meat Diet

This is really what I’d like to see all cats eating. Dry food is convenient but is actually a far cry from what the cat is calling out for evolutionarily. We really have an obligate carnivore in a small body in the cat, one who wouldn’t eat dry food, cooked food, nor corn. (This ingredient is prevalent in dry foods to get them to stick together). I think part of the reason we are seeing more cats with diabetes of late is the feeding of dry food that has corn or corn gluten meal in it. [Another reason may be the increased use of vaccines (see Vaccinations: Safety)]. This small hunter would eat one main food: prey. This diet comes closer to that natural food than any dry food, even a healthy one, ever could.

This is a very simple way to feed your cat a balanced, raw diet. The most difficult ones to convince of this will be those cats over the age of 8-10 years, who’ve eaten only commercial dry or canned foods. They may take one look at your lovely raw food in the dish and give it the ultimate feline insult: burial! Nonetheless, it’s worth the effort to get any cats you really care about to eat it. They will clearly improve their health and longevity by doing so.



Making the Change

There are two ways to make the switch to this diet: fasting and gradual transition.

Fasting
This is only for those cats who are not overweight. How to know? If your cat has a fat pad in the groin area, or an ill-defined waist, or looks pear-shaped from above, there’s weight above the healthy norm. They can transition with the next method. For those who are normal weighted, this is the best way to switch to new, raw food. Why? There are several benefits from your cat’s fasting for a few days:

He or she will get a chance to cleanse the toxins built up over the years of eating the old foods.
The digestive system gets a chance to rest and rejuvenate. This system is one of the hardest working in the body.
Your cat will develop something often lacking in cats today, but so important for proper digestion: hunger. (See The B+ Plan for Cats for more details)
This last benefit also leads to an increased acceptance of something new! Finickiness becomes a distant memory when hunger is there. “Oh, something new and different? I’ll take it, thanks!”
To fast your cat, simply decrease the quantity of food by half for a couple of days, and then offer only broth and water for a few more days. If the pestering for food becomes difficult, love your cat in other ways -- get the string toy out, have lots of affection sessions, go for walks in the woods, and close doors when you need to sleep! (See below about "gamblers" if you begin to lose heart). When you break the fast, offer small meals of the new food at first, and, after a few of these, offer all your cat wants to eat at a sitting. There may be a brief period of overeating, but this won’t last.

Cats will rarely overeat on this diet, and will tend to normalize their weight, whether too heavy or too thin at the outset.

Gradual Transition
This method, while not as deeply beneficial as fasting, will still get some cats on to the new, raw diet. In this method, you simply start adding the new food in small quantities to the existing food, and gradually increase the proportions until it’s 100% new food, and no old food. This can happen as quickly as 5-7 days, but you may run into to a battle line when you come to a certain percentage of the raw food in a fussy cat’s dish. Hold tight! You can fall back to the fasting method if you reach this point of refusal, and break the fast with nothing but the new food, as outlined above.

Points to Consider in Feeding
We can do a good job of feeding raw food to cats if we keep a couple of simple points in mind:

Cats would eat not just meat in the wild. They eat the “whole mouse.” Or, raw meat is, by itself, not complete food.
The rawness is extremely valuable to the cat, as evidenced by Dr. Pottenger’s work on hundreds of cats in the 1930’s. See The Missing Ingredient.
The raw meat can contain food-borne bacteria possibly harmful to humans, especially immune-compromised humans. So careful sanitary practices in handling it apply. This is not an issue for the cat, whose digestive system is unchanged from the wild ancestors, and “knows” how to digest bacteria. See Food Safety and Raw Meat for more details.
Cats are gamblers. If they are rewarded for a behavior once in twenty times, they will repeat the behavior. That means you have to be consistent in offering your food choices which you know to be best, and not give in to the call for dry crunchy food. While making the transition to a raw diet takes time and patience, the greater your commitment and consistency, the smoother and faster it will go.

Hey Sunshine
I did get my cat to eat some raw chicken skin last nite. She really liked it too and was nosing around for a little more. She is only about 5 months old so shouldn't be to hard for her to make the switch. I looked at all the links you put up...very interesting. Now do you put bone meal and grains in your cats food as well as cod liver oil? I might be able to get the butcher to grind some bones up, don't know and would that be the same as the bone meal. I still have lots of research to do but I like experiments so this will be fun.
Maybe it will also help my own ill health and give me something else to dwell on. Thanks for all the info, it is very interesting. I was a psych major in school and did a few experiments and was alot of fun. So this could be right up my alley LOL!
Rachel <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/pattycake.gif" alt="" />

Sunshine, I am not arguing with you about cats' abilities to eat raw meat and love it. But the world we live in is, yick, dirty and toxic.

i know about all the problems with dry cat food, which is why we feed the cat table scraps. she eats some dry food, but mostly waits for her turn after dinner for her portion. The new cat too, eating some dry food, but mostly chicken and whatever else we eat... cooked.

Years ago, that cat I loved and lost in NYC, I used to give him raw chicken livers which he absolutely loved, suppose to be real good for the cats too. I tried that with this cat months ago and she snubbed them. I don't think it's a personality issue as much as it is a quality issue. You are what you eat, the cats too. And if their bowls are filled daily with heavy duty hormone fed and antibiotic fed raw meats they are sure to develop problems downline. cooking destoys a lot of the properties of the chemicals as well as bacteria and other toxins. In the wild, animals do have a better immune system against certain things, like dogs and even my cat will lap up water from a puddle and not seem to suffer any side effects. but 'seem' is a key word here. First off, your cats are not feral cats and probably don't have as much natural resistance as you want to believe. Second, there are parasites and dogs and cats are well known to proliferate in that area for that very reason. Lots of dogs die of heartworms for instance. I had a dog once that pooped out an enormous tapeworm. it was lovely. they get this stuff from puddles and hunted prey.

Which leads me to another issue. In the wild, prey takes two forms, healthy and unhealthy. Predator animals do not discriminate between healthy prey and unhealthy prey. you'll notice that predators generally prey most on young or weak animals because healthy animals are a lot harder to bring down. young is one thing, weak is another. the slow squirrel may be slow for reasons other than not being sure which way to run. he may be sick for instance. The mouse or rat your cat drags in may not have even been killed by him, it might have died on it's own for other reasons. It might be slow and sick because it ate the posion that your neighbor's left by the garbage can or the bird they catch might have a virus and is sitting still for a reason, hard to say..

If we lived in a perfect world I would agree with you wholeheartedly but much to my dismay I discovered, many times the hard way and with many tears over the years, that that unfortunately isn't so.

SkiesLimit: cool. Happy dayz….yeah I love all these experiments. This cat experiment is particularly excellent. It marks a big turning point in my life, healing at last.

Nope. No bone meal or grains. Cats would not eat grains in the wild. Cod liver oil nope. As I said I chuck them little bones now and then. I probably should do more.

SOSick: Yeah, no, I agree. Its all funked up. All these hormones, antibiotics n crap pumped into all the cheap meat 95pct of the western world eat. If it screws me up I guess the cats will be screwed too. Yup it’s all gonna end in flames some day.

True the world we live in is, yick, dirty and toxic, but it’s the only one we got, so we gotta make do…………………………. for now(?)

All those cat foods that are sold, wet and dry. Do we think they are made from “choice cuts”? or bottom of the food chain floor sweepings?

But it’s the cooking of the food that screws them up. I have the Pottenger cat’s video…I want to send it to u,,,so u can see for yourself how it all came about.
Video is a euro version and will not work in the USA. Ahhhh ha….cool……i found just what I need…..will post a second message after this.

LOL, yeah my cats are not feral. They are in fact pedigree cats, cost me an arm and a leg too, but money well well worth it. I would spend again and more and recommend others to as well. Money well spent.

I have their bloody family trees going back 4 generations!

Figaro’s great grand parents where both cat Champions; “Cleodipuss bobby dazzler” and “Saewillow Annastasia”
His dad was “Britard Commanchero”

Luke Skywalkers dad was “Romantasy Malricmaster”

I kid you not.

And no………….i do not do cat shows. I have never been to a cat show, nor plan to in this life.

Guess which cat is my cat? Figaro or Luke Skywalker? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

This is a big reason why i started this experiment.

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cach...p;amp;ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=uk


Pottenger's Cats - A Study in Nutrition
by Francis M. Pottenger, Jr., MD

Between the years of 1932 and 1942, Dr. Francis Marion Pottenger, Jr. conducted a feeding experiment to determine the effects of heat-processed food on cats. His ten-year cat study was prompted by the high rate of mortality he was experiencing among his laboratory cats undergoing adrenalectomies for use in standardizing the hormone content of the adrenal extract he was making. Because there were no existent chemical procedures for standardizing biological extracts, manufacturers of such extracts necessarily had to use animals to determine their potency. As cats die without their adrenal glands, the dose of extract required to support their lives calibrated the level of the extract's potency.

In his effort to maximize the preoperative health of his laboratory animals, Francis fed them a diet of market grade raw milk, cod liver oil and cooked meat scraps from the sanitarium. These scraps included the liver, tripe, sweetbreads, brains, heart and muscle. This diet was considered to be rich in all the important nutritive substances by the experts of the day, and the surgical technique used for the adrenalectomies was the most exacting known. Therefore, Francis was perplexed as to why his cats were poor operative risks. In seeking an explanation, he began noticing that the cats showed signs of deficiency. All showed a decrease in their reproductive capacity and many of the kittens born in the laboratory had skeletal deformities and organ malfunctions.

As his neighbors in Monrovia kept donating an increasing number of cats to his laboratory, the demand for cooked meat scraps exceeded supply and he placed an order at the local meat packing plant for raw meat scraps, again including the viscera, muscle and bone. These raw meat scraps were fed to a segregated group of cats each day and within a few months this group appeared in better health than the animals being fed cooked meat scraps. Their kittens appeared more vigorous, and most interestingly, their operative mortality decreased markedly.

The contrast in the apparent health of the cats fed raw meat and those fed cooked meat was so startling, it prompted Francis to undertake a controlled experiment. What he had observed by chance, he wanted to repeat by design. He wanted to find answers to such questions as: Why did the cats eating raw meat survive their operations more readily than those eating cooked meat? Why did the kittens of the raw meat fed cats appear more vigorous? Why did a diet based on cooked meat scraps apparently fail to provide the necessary nutritional elements for good health? He felt the findings of a controlled feeding experiment might illumine new facts about optimal human nutrition.

The Cat Study of Francis M. Pottenger, Jr., MD is unique. There is no similar experiment in the medical literature. The pathological and chemical findings were supervised by Francis in consultation with Alvin G. Foord, M.D., professor of pathology at the University of Southern California and pathologist at the Huntington Memorial Hospital in Pasadena. Accordingly, the studies met the most rigorous scientific standards of the day and their protocol was observed consistently.

Since The Cat Study is unique, its findings are frequently quoted and misquoted in order to justify the ideas of others. For example, one author of a popular selling book states that 200 cats died of arthritis; this indeed did not happen. Another author states that the cats were fed sprouts and survived in full health for four continuous generations. Again, no such experiment took place, and yet this misinformation has been traced over a dozen or more different articles and books.

A frequent criticism of The Pottenger Cat Study is that it was not properly controlled. Here it is necessary to ask, "By what standards?" Every one of the studies followed strictly defined protocol. All variables in the stock of the animals were reported and explained. Because some of the test procedures may seem crude forty years later, this in no way invalidates the facts that the procedures were meticulously controlled and that the results of the experiments were reported as observed.

Another criticism is that the cats were kept in an artificial environment unrelated to real living conditions. Such a criticism overlooks the experimental necessity of maintaining a controlled environment to provide valid findings. It also overlooks the evidence that given specific living conditions, specific changes repeatedly occurred in the health of the cats under observation.

Another frequent criticism is that the experimental work done on cat nutrition has no appropriate application to human nutrition. Francis M. Pottenger, Jr., MD never stated that a one-to-one comparison could be made between his findings in cat nutrition and his findings in human nutrition. He did say: "While no attempt will be made to correlate the changes in the animals studied with malformations found in humans, the similarity is so obvious that parallel pictures will suggest themselves."

All too often, self-appointed authorities will state categorically that they do not believe other's observations and so seek to close the door on any further inquiry into these observations. They declare, "Because I do not believe the facts as presented, they are not so." Far better for science if responsible individuals maintain an attitude of open inquiry and test the observations of others before forming rigid opinions. In the case of The Cat Study, human welfare might well be served of concerned researchers made every effort to discover if valid correlation's can be made between cat nutrition and human nutrition. It must be remembered that cats and humans both are mammalian biological systems.

It would be of great value to the field of nutrition to repeat The Cat Study within the parameters of present day technology and with the use of present day antibiotics. Most of the cats on deficient diets died from infections of the kidneys, lungs and bones. If these infections were eliminated as a cause of death by antibiotics, it would allow the cats to reveal their ultimate degenerative fates. As an extension to this experiment, it would be of interest to study the effects of vitamin and mineral supplementation in the diet of cooked food fed animals.

It is our effort in this monograph to present the observations made by Francis M. Pottenger, Jr., MD on the effects of deficient and optimum nutrition in cats and human beings as recorded in his articles and clinical records written between the years of 1932 and 1956. Nothing has been added or subtracted from his findings, and for the most part, the words describing his work are his own. Though some of the scientific interpretations have not withstood the test of time, the observations are valid. A careful and selective interpretation by an inquiring mind will readily differentiate the two.

PPNF recommended reading:
Pottenger's Cats: A Study in Nutrition

by Francis M. pottenger, Jr., MD

First published in 1939, this monumental but highly readable book is designed to preserve the classic study of Dr. Price's worldwide investigation of the deleterious effects of processed foods and synthetic farming methods on human health, and the promise of regeneration through sound nutrition. This bestseller contains guidelines for approaching optimum health and reproduction, now and through future generations, as did the primitives. Dr. Price has been universally accepted as one of the foremost authorities on the role of foods in their natural form in the overall health pattern and the development of degenerative illnesses as a result of the addition of processed foods to our diet.

opps. thats a bit too long

It's ok, it's interesting. But I noticed the dates, 1939, 1942, etc.. long before livestock and poultry were being farmed in massive cattle factories and pumped with hormones and antibiotics to grow them quickly and keep infections from filth and overcrowding at bay.

It's a fact that cooking anything destroys some nutrients, we both know this, but life is full of compromises that we all deal with. It's the only thing that will kill worms and their eggs, and other bacteria, even viruses, one upside to a downside, and a biggie at that.

Choose your poison I guess.

maybe he forgot to simpy scramble the an egg now and then, my cat's favorite dish, soft scrambled eggs,. I bet that is what she's been meowing for all day because she won't eat the chicken today, won't eat the dry food, ate a tad of roast beef and walked away. i'll have to go make her one, she loves eggs. Jelly on top?

Maybe she wants a dove bar who knows. If only cats could talk huh? Boy, we'd all be in trouble then.

You know what the cattle guy was telling me? He's actually my firewood guy, drops me off nice clean long burning oak..but he raises stud cattle, doesn't slaughter them, just sells them to other ranches. But anyway I was asking him if he gives his cattle hormones and stuff, and he says no, uh uh. He raise them outside, they graze all day, like real cattle so they don't need the major antibiotic/hormone stuff. . But, he has to give them something he called 'triangle', just one shot they get, it's an antiviral something or other. he says that without that they'll get up to 600 lbs and just drop over dead, some sort of virus that a lot of the cattle have these days. Then he goes on to say that in the big cattle factory places they put this little pellet of hormone something or other in their ears and he says it pretty much drives them nuts and all they want to do is gorge themselves all day, and at that point they really don't care what they eat or anything much else... they just eat.

thought that was an interesting note to the obesity epidemic.

http://www.wyeth.com/products?produ...%c2%ae%20Cattle%20Vaccines_overview.html

Triangle® Cattle Vaccines
Triangle 9 + Type II BVD and Triangle 4 + Type II BVD vaccines provide protection against IBR, Type 1 and 2 BVD, BRSV, and PI3. The Triangle line of killed vaccines contains Singer and 5912 BVD strains, which provide for optimum BVD antigenic diversity. Triangle 9 + Type II BVD also contains five serovars of Leptospira.

Available from veterinarians and animal health suppliers, Triangle products help protect beef and dairy cattle against the four major viral respiratory pathogens, including BVDV, the most economically important viral pathogen in U.S. beef and dairy cattle. As viral strains in the cattle population have evolved over time, vaccine protection has changed as well. Current research suggests that the Type II form of the BVD virus plays a significant role in major BVD disease outbreaks.

Yummy....that vaccination covers 9 differnet cow diseases. T-bone steak anyone?

So even if your buying good beef you are still getting some crap in it!!!! The food industry never ceases to amaze me at the crap they do to keep us in ill health. What a farce, well I guess a little crap is easier for the body to deal with than a supermarket load would be. LOL <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/skullandbones.gif" alt="" />

This is a bit long, but please bear with me.

This is a little story taken from “Adrenal fatigue The 21st cebtury stress syndrome” by James L. Wilson. Page 23-24.

“Kevin was a bright chemical engineer who loved his job and his family. A few years ago he was promoted to manage a small chemical plant in the Midwest.
Almost as soon as Kevin came on the scene, he saw the need for increased safety at the aging plant. But the plant was not generating the projected profits it should have, so improvements had to be delayed until there was room in the budget to make them.
Within the first year of his new job assignment, Kevin’s wife noticed that he was changing. He developed allergies for the first time. He began wanting to sleep instead of rising at 4am as he used to. He became more short tempered and intolerant of her and the children. In fact he began having uncharacteristic sudden temper outbursts for which he was always remorseful.
Thinking it was probably the pressure of his new job; Kevin asked for and was given an assistant, as he had already increased production considerably. But even with working fewer hours and taking less active responsibility, Kevin continued to deteriorate. His energy dropped lower and lower and he became almost despondent as he just tried to make it through each day.
The company doctor diagnosed Kevin as being too tense and prescribed tranquilizers and some “stomach pills” for his constant upset stomach.
When Kevin showed no improvement, his wife demanded a vacation, thinking what he needed was a rest. Not knowing what else to do, Kevin agreed. Within a few days of their vacation Kevin felt like a new man. His old energy returned and he once again became loving and affectionate. He looked forward to returning to his job.
Once back, however, it was only a matter of a day before Kevin felt the same old tiredness and cloudy headedness descend on him again. They had only been back for 2 weeks when their family got notice that Kevin’s father had died.
The family left immediately on the 1000 mile drive to his home. Although Kevin dreaded the stress of the funeral, to his surprise, as they approached his old home, he felt better and better. Even having to drive most of the night to return to work by the following Monday morning didn’t bother him.
However, by the first evening of work, Kevin was back to his same old symptoms. He struggled on for a few more weeks until one day the previous manager made a brief stop to the plant. As they talked, Kevin learned that the former manager had taken an early retirement for health reasons. The man told him that as soon as he left the plant he felt 20 years younger. Telling the previous manager of his growing problems with handling the job, Kevin described some of his symptoms. The retired manager revealed that he had left because of chemical sensitivities and that while in the plant he had experienced many of the same symptoms as Kevin.
He was good enough to meet Kevin at a place outside the plant to discuss what might be done about the situation.
Together they approached the company to make the need for safety improvements, including a drastic reduction in chemical fumes collection in several of the plant buildings.
Kevin was transferred to a part of the company away from the fumes, read a book by a clinical ecologist on chemical sensitivities and one of my articles on adrenal fatigue, and slowly recovered his full health.

Kevin’s case is an example of adrenal fatigue caused by chemical sensitivities. Any number of “body burdens” can continually zap adrenals, often without you being aware of what is happening.”

Wow!….well blow me over and call me a fishmonger!

This describes me, mostly, apart from the wife beating. Although I don’t work in a chemical plant which makes it pretty easy to see where the chemical exposure comes from. Whenever I go away on holiday I always feel better, happens every time, and when I get home I get sick again. This is why I started investigating reducing my toxic load. Removing everything I learned about. Toiletries & shampoos, household detergents, diet, and lots of chemically treated products around my house…..all to no avail.

Thats also why this Cat experiment was started.Then the cat toxin was removed by the change in the cat diet and voila la…..

I started healing at last……………..

Cool.

This is the first time I have read something so similar to my situation.

I am only 1/3 through this book, but I think it’s gonna be very helpful.

The cattle guy said that if they don't get that one vaccine they will die because the viruses are too prevalent, it's in their blood when they are born. they all get it, free range beef or caged. This cattle guy knows what he's talking about, he's one of the few people around here whose opinion I truly respect, real nice smart straightforward down to earth guy. Nothing funny going on there at all. I've known him for about 4 years too and we talk quite a bit now and then, he wouldn't lie to me.

Thing is, they use vaccines and other meds on the cattle and poultry for viral stuff but they never treat them for parasites and worms. Not that i know of anyway.

just some raw food for thought...

I started one last batch of black walnut hull tincture/extract with vodka. It's looking great, should be done today, very green I followed hulda's directions to the tee this time, the woman has made an impression on me. i do believe she may have some insight...

The one lttle cat that was dropped off here a couple weeks ago... when she came in her poop was so smelly... egads I mean gee whiz how could anyone stand that? The lady gave me the bag of food they had been feeding her... I looked at the label, it had soy so I tossed it. Anyway, i changed the cats' diet to our non-soy dry food, and them of course there's always a plateful of scraps of all sorts for the cats too, which she loves. I don't think the cat had ever eaten anything but dry food. But anyway, within about 3 -4 days her poop didn't smell anymore.

That is unfortunately just the problem. They are all good guys. All nice people. Just getting on with life. Everyone is. We all are. Only a minuscule number of people are actually bad and cause harm to lots of people on purpose. No one looks at whats actually in this stuff. No one questions it. It is just common practice. You have cows, you give them vaccinations. You have children, you give them vaccinations. Everyone does it because it is normal. Why is it normal…..because we want to protect our cows and our children. How do we protect them? You go out and buy an off-the-shelf product called a vaccination. Then you have done your duty of care and can now proceed with life….

Instant satisfaction

If you have not researched vaccinations yet……it is a dark & murky business indeed.

My daughter has had all the normal vaccinations. If I am lucky enough to have anymore kids, they will not be getting any.

If the poop don’t smell, little cat is a healthier little cat <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/catdance.gif" alt="" />
Are the cats still fighting? Has one come out on top, a Glorious Winner?

Well those are his steer, that only get one shot, which is the triangle stuff. Your commercial raised beef get more than just one shot you can be sure, hormones for instance, and they eat antibiotics in their feed daily. I think they put it in the feed anyway, maybe those are vaccines too, either or.

Did you know that corn feed is usually treated with arsenic as a pesticide so that the bugs don't destroy it while in storage?.

He said he wouldn't give them any shots at all except for the fact that it really is true, they'll graze and graze till they get big, reach 600 lbs or so and simply drop over dead without the one vaccine.

It must be nice where you live if only a miniscule number of people would harm others. Most people I know are proud, self-righteous, selfish and greedy and will step all over others and stab them in the back in a heartbeat to get what they want illiegitimately if they aren't sharp enough to get it honestly, which applies to a lot of people. Usually it's $$$ or stuff or some sort of attention. It a small miniscule number that are ethical enough to never lie, cheat, steal around here. Someone siphoned the gas out of neighbor's car last night.

Little cat is happy. No determintaion of top cat, they have been avoiding each other. They see each other now and then and each goes the other direction. My cat spends most of the day outside anyway.

She looks a lot like that, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/catdance.gif" alt="" /> but skinnier, little cat. A real cutiepie sometimes. I'm getting use to her. She's gaining weight, she might actually be a domestic someday.

I would not give vaccines to a child anymore either. My kid got them too.

My new batch of black walnut hull extract came out real good. I put 3 green walnuts in a tall skinny jar, they fit in perfectly, touching the sides, not much extra room at all, and filled the jar with 100 proof vodka and let it sit 3-4 days. that stuff is sooo strong.. I took some this morning, put some in the cats' water, and can easily get the rest of the family to drink this in a glass of water once a week for a bit. The rest is in the freezer, I got about 8oz of real green real strong tincture from it.

This stuff came out so perfect I am thinking of asking the local health food stores of they'd be interested in buying it from me next year when it's walnut season again.

I have never seen anything kill parasites like that black walnut hull does. And I only have to take it once or twice a week for a bit, no diet changes eother. I rarely eat sugar anyway, but i love fruit.

My fat old cat was chasing her tail a bit, always has since she's been here, 2-3 times a day i would see her do that... that is a sign of worms far as i know but she has really cut back the last week since I was putting some of the other walnut hull batch in their water. Both cats were a bit itchy all week btw but that has settled down too.

I'll put off my next heavy duty liver cleanse another week because I want to do a couple more days of heavy duty walnut hull extract and feast happily on that turkey in the fridge too... I should be ready by Wednesday-Thurs next week.

fat old cat loves fresh red lean raw no-homorne hamburger btw, I forgot about that but was making spaghetti and meatballs (our own bottled homegrown tomatoes) the other day and of course she had some steak tartar in the process. She will eat that one item raw. But she gets it rarely, last time I gave it to her was over the summer. Just a treat now and then. She was spitting up all week, i think anxiety from the new cat so i have been babying her. I don't think she likes to share her food bowl, maybe she thinks the other cat is gross or something. Indeed the other cat surely makes a gross huge job in the littler box because she never goes out yet, actually it's probably that smelly thing. She hates a smelly littler box. So do I. Better change it again...

"And u know what, this reiki stuff, this healing power, this warm cosy sensation of well being……… can be done from afar.

Let me say that again. These reiki dudes, do their reiki business on people when the other person are not present. Like when they are across town, or somewhere else. They sit down do their thing and the person they thinking about feels, gets the same healing sensation and the same feeling of well being.

Freaky or what………certainly never something I would believe……..unless I’d experienced this for myself…..which I just had done! " quote

Underestimate the power of the force,you did. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yoda.gif" alt="" />

Hahahaha…..Hiya Sunflower and welcome to the glorious cat experiment.

For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes.

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is that what u had? Reiki?

we are spirit, it's a fact, and life truly is sacred. We are all connected in that sense. If I can't quit thinking about someone i will phone them and it always happens to be true, they were thinking about me too. i love that.

Not sure about your reiki, had to look it up, sounds similar to the laying on hands type of healing you'll find in some pentecostal, charismatic or assembly of God churches, sounds similar to prayer also.

yes it does work. but still, not sure about your reiki. If you are tuned into God, and Jesus, because he speaks to all of us but a lot of people don't sense that... but anyway if yoiu are tuned in and Jesus is a friend you don't need a reiki healer... Jesus makes house calls and the holy spirit stays with you all the time. pretty cool, I have been trying to tell you that.

My experiences with laying on of hands in the churches is pretty good. however, it can also have a negative effect. Everything depends on the spirit of the person/people laying hands on you. If the holy spirit is real strong on someone, one touch, one word, will banish a spirit of illnes or heal. I pray over my daughter and her friends all the time for that exact reason, with my hand on their heads. When my daughter was young, till about the age of 7, if she felt bad, I'd sit her on my lap and she would be healed,, tummy aches, hiccups whatever... takes about one minute. But it's not me, it's the holy spirit, he's just here. She's older now and she has that ability to rationalize, for better or worse, she's at an age when she needs to find her own faith now, her own relationship with God.

With God, he heals completely in an instant a lot of the time, no need for repeated sessions. free too. But, with God, he heals like that in certain types of instances that I know of... during revivals when he visits large gatherings of people worshipping him you'll often see lots of miraculous healings, and then in individual situations, when you repent and he forgives. Healing comes with forgiveness with God, through seeking him, worshipping him, and true heartfelt repentence of the things that caused sin/separation, sickness. God knows how human we are, it's important for us to know that too is pretty much all, that basically we are very small weak and pitiful, even stupid... he knows that and he easily forgives and heals too. Essentially that's what's meant by humbling yourself before God, that type of repenting. You surrender your life to Jesus, repent, get healed. Lots of people have experienced it. I did too.

My easiest way to get to that place of worship when i dont sense his immediate presence, is to turn on some Christian music, worship type, i have lots of favorites so that's easy here by now, and I start singing, I love that stuff... pretty funny but i love to do that and I do believe he enjoys it very much and he is always healing me. I need attention all the time, I think lots of us these days are in pretty bad shape simply from the environment. but God knows about it.

pretty cool, it is true. still, not sure about your reilki. I need to know my God and the reiki guy, I read some of his stuff, he mentions God but kind of in an anonymous way. Kind of leaves a loophole.

If you can find a good church in the area that does laying on of hands you'll get the same unburdening, weight lifted off of you, experience, for free. Probably better actually. But if you want it to last you need to work on your own relationship with God, and Jesus.

Let us know how you feel in a week.

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Hi Sunshine &Sos,
I never went to get reiki but who knows?Surely in my lifetime someone has sent me some reiki!A nice thought.I know a few reiki masters they probably have sent me some healing at times.
But I have gone to a handfull of healing ceromonies over the last few years and had some special spiritual experiences there.I know for a fact there is someone looking after me,I think possibly two spirits.I won't go into this further unless of course you want to know...

Have you seen or read "the secret"this reminds me of reiki, sending positive thoughts out into the universe...
it's powerful.I believe this completely.

SoS,
I didn't write "witches"it was the title of the post I was referring to written by Sunshine!
I don't go to mass but I was raised as a catholic,but I am very aware of my spirituality.I practice mindfullness meditation and yoga,but have not done these in over a month.
I am out of balance at the moment and need to ease back into these.I find I fall asleep when I set out to meditate these days...ok enough excuses...

SoS, Reiki,prayer,laying of hands,I completely agree with you about it the effect depending on the spirit/person
practicing this,they need to be grounded ,balanced and
completely focused on the task at hand.

SoS you wrote "I need to know my God and the reiki guy,I read some of his stuff,he mentions God but kind of in an anonymous way.
kind of leaves a loophole."
This ,I do not believe matters,the reiki person believes in goodness,light,love,healing,
God is all of these things.God is love ,light,goodness,healing and so it does not matter what the reiki people call him/it ,it's all good&the same.

I believe in God.Believe is the wrong word,more like I know.
Sometimes the church just gives him a bad name.

Sorry for hijacking this thread!I have no cats...so I'll just take myself off to the philosophy section,shall I?

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Sunflower you are welcome anytime. This thread has …………. moved on!

SoS I know u been trying to tell me that. I think that is unlikely to happen, but thanks. I know how difficult it is to get someone else to feel/understand/comprehend something that you feel so deeply about and I am moved that you feel this would benefit me. It is very tricky and u been going about it exactly as I would have/do and have been going about getting my experiences on to others. Suggestions…..this is how I feel…this is what happened to me. People really feel at home if you open up yourself to them. It is unexpected, people are not used to that and they feel great that you are willing to share because most people don’t and they especially don’t share problems. when it come from the heart it is beautiful everytime.

You know what Sos, I think we two are very similar. We hit it off pretty well, we both seem to like each others….errr…..style. I know u are on another continent, on a mountain. I’m at sea level. Yr a young lady, I’m a young chap and if it wasn’t for that one big belief, God, we would be even more similar. Although I don’t believe in him I think we view the world in very similar ways. Or as similar as two strangers on different continents, of different sex, age, religion and upbringing can anyway.

If you take your last post and merge GOD and what I think/understand/feel/experience….then it is very similar. The only difference is the belief of a creator and someone helping out.

Why do u think I have Luke skywalker as my avatar? (Ok…I do enjoy watching the films, but that’s only because I do that with my little girl)
I really do have Luke there because I feel …….something else. It is way way beyond my understand, but the things I have experienced this year have been ….. literally mind blowing. Completely outside my previous 37 years. My description of reiki is stuffed full of words like weird, amazing, strange….because to me its freaky weird…but…..but…..but I have actually experienced this myself. Seeing is believing. I see, feel and I believe. I found it veery interesting which is why I went back for more and more.

I may have told you this before but using the Alexander technique, which I’m really good at, I can think myself taller. Just by thinking I can relax almost every muscle in my body when I wish to. that is funkin weird. How does that work?

So many things to learn
So many things to see

Yes yes yes, I love it when I think of someone and they call. I always love that.

I too am very musical. I love music, it is a constant source of joy for me. howvere think we may have different styles on that one……I like mine body-throbbing loud. Really feel the bass vibrating in my chest…..
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Apologies for that really annoying flashing thing.

I just re-read some of our earlier posts. Very funny. It still makes me smile thinking about you eating the bark and barfing the next day. Then trying to feed it to the cats <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

The big, ugh doses of walnut hull were real good for me. Painful, but good.

I like the music real loud so I have to wear headphones or else no one can think within 50 yards. can't really hear myself singing but then of course anyone in proximty cannot hear the music... I have had some complaints ha ha.

Positive thinking, in 200% full agreement. I hate negativity. Nothing worse than negative people, I hate being around them, such a drag.

It's cool to call a friend because they're on your mind all week, and hear them say 'I have been thinking of you all week!'. Thing is God is like that too and if you have a friend in Jesus then i think you are really set. I believed in God for many years, i would pray and pray, cannot really say I ever got too many answers, but after I gave my life to Jesus that really turned around. The only conclusion I can come to is that it really is true, Jesus is our mediator with God. It surely has proven itself out time and again in my life. daily.

I was pretty big on star wars once, I grew up I guess. Probably gets back to Jesus again, once I got saved and got to know him, trust him, well all of that, stuff like star wars, kind of started looking like the little nuts next to the real big tree.

Still spins my head around, the fact that he is real.

In reality though, if we include the invisible spirit dimensions, if Darth Vadar is comparable to satan, the devil, the devil is much much worse, mean mean mean nasty, gross cruel... and if we compare Luke to our hero Jesus, well it's sort of like comparing a penny to a brick of gold bullion...

It's funny, the way I was saved, in a mighty way, I called Jesus Superman for a good few years, then I sort of realized that was probably an insult to him because he's really so much more awesome than that. The force is actually with us, and his name is Jesus.

God knows everything. I read somewhere once, probably in some physics book, that parts of a whole thing always retain memory/connection to the other matter/energy that the part is broken down from, irregardless of time or distance. Kind of like that, there is probably a little part of God in each of us and he is connected to us even when we're not aware of him. I have no other way of explaining it. Kind of like twins who sense things about each other even if they're miles apart, because they're maybe very connected, but we are all connected to God the same way.

I'm pretty sure about that.

hi sos

struggling right now

i reply later when i can understand

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Hi Sos

Awww! Can’t think deep deep today. Tough day, I’m a nitwit!

My little girl she has a itchy head all week. we thought it was the shampoo. She had a rash on her neck, we thought it was the carpet cleaner we used when she was sick last weekend.

It was Nits! Never knowingly had nits in the Sunshine household. Always a first.

So had the nit comb out. She has long blond hair. Took hours. 6 nits we found on Sunday & 26 nits we found today. Olive oil and tee tree oil a;; over the place.

Will have to do that every 3 days for the next few weeks.

itch, itch, itch...have i got nits too?

Not surprised at all.

didn't someone tell you twice or 3 times the perils of cats, prey, and lice in this thead?

yeah, they love blond hair. I pity you. Be sure to do the cats too, and their bedding along with yours. Tee tree oil + ammonia in the laundry, dry on high heat.

You'll be at it for several weeks because they are probably in the furniture by now. You can sprinkle boric acid around, walk it into the rugs and stuff for a few days before vaccumming. Chem house won't make you feel better but it will make you feel better than the lice.

don't let the cats hunt if they come into the house. sad but true, a fact of life. I would not lie to you.

I hope we don't have thus same discussion about pinworms next.

I bought some OTC lice killer shampoo when my daughter had the plague too. I never got them luckily, but I do vividly remember seeing one jump off my eyebrow. Of course I started washing 2-3 times aday in a real hot shower, getting the kid to do that is tortuous I know.

Probably, could be in your clothes. Hot hot shower 2-3 times a day, more if itchy, clothes straight off and straight into the hot laundry. Nice way to ruin your fine shirts but necessary. Or else lots and lots of ammonia for linen and stuff.

Put a good amount of the tea tree oil in a sesame seed oil, grapeseed oil, or olive oil base and rub it all over yourselves and the cats. Just stay at it.

brings back dreadful memories I must say.

Bathe the cats too, you probably will have to buckle and get the grocery store chemical stuff for the cats at this point. Tea tree is a deterrant, not always a quick cure.

Pretty funny... just this morning I was doing bed sheets in the washer and I pulled the tee tree oil off the shelf and added some into the laundry thinking... 'well it;s about time for this' because i hadn't used the tea tree all summer.

betcha any money, you were standing there aghast at the idea of nits and thinking several short hours ago... she warned me about this... and God was watching and he's a friend of mine and I heard that too, about the tea tree oil and bugs... c'est la vie.

Yep, the force is with us.

You posted that to me on the 10th august............

i googled boric acid: nasty

"Boric acid, also called boracic acid or orthoboric acid or Acidum Boricum, is a mild acid often used as an antiseptic, insecticide, flame retardant, in nuclear power plants to control the fission rate of uranium, and as a precursor of other chemical compounds. It exists in the form of colorless crystals or a white powder and dissolves in water. It has the chemical formula H3BO3, sometimes written B(OH)3. When occurring as a mineral, it is called sassolite."

did u do that before you read my post? did u use the tea tree oil before or after reading the post?

Because if u did use the tea tree before you read my post.,,….well ……… that’s quite something. Because wow! How cool is that! Now, that is deep …..

Anyway…..before or after?

Exciting eh!

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We've used it fior years. It's the only thing I know that will keep bugs out of the house and is mild enough to not hurt kids/pets. It'll get down under the carpets, I sprinkle a bit between matteresses, into crevices in baseboards etc and you won't even know it's there. Dust generously, walk it in for a few days and then vacuum lightly.

If you know of anything else more benign that will control lice and fleas let me know. I have been searching for years. The bugs eat it and it dries them out and they die, disrupts the breeding cycle because the larvae will eat it. Works quickly, within a week or so, and is extremely effective for the longterm. I dust the entire house every 18 months or so, have to. I hate fleas and spiders and silverfish etc. Nothing worse than those little white bugs that get into paper and books. Boric acid controls all that. It's the only thing that will keep cockroaches away from a NYC apt.

and if you have a lice infestation I don't see another option. Posionous to people in large quantities too, like if you put ateaspoon in glass of water you'll need your stomach pumped, so wear shoes while walking it into the rugs for those few days before you vacuum and keep the cats outside as much as possible during that time too.

it was in the morning yesterday, so it would have been late afternoon/evening in the UK. Several hours before you posted your lice situation.

see there you go, you do have a God and you don't even know it. everyone does... whether they care or not.

I think God likes you though, could be he's there in a big way because of your daughter's young age, that wouldn't be unusual. Or else, you have someone close to you who prays for you a lot. anyway, he knows you. It's a good thing, be thankful. You should take the time to get to know him, be observant of stuff like that. Stuff like this... it just comes as a thought and then you find out later that it had to do with someone else maybe... but when you know him he warns you of stuff, dangerous stuff headed your way, and if you listen to him real good he will even position you for prime opportunities that you might otherwise miss too. Keeps the devil away etc etc. Took me several years to really hear him well. the devil plays god and messes stuff up a lot if there's an open door for him to do that, so learning to know which is really God can take time and much patience, with yourself. And then of course learning that some of the things you do can inspire the presence of negative energy/spirits, and stopping those behaviors.. He spent a lot of time teaching me, it was quite a journey. Just like the bible says though, yeah it is him, it did and always will amaze me. I think we hear those vague thoughts, like... it's time for some tea tree oil... because he is so utterly awesome the wind literally carries his thoughts and we pick it up or else there are angels near us who hear him real good and pass the thought along, not sure whch really... but when he actually speaks to you directly it's not vague at all. seriously, he is so awesome that I sincerely believe we are alive on this planet because he is near, he is life. I sincerely do believe that, after years of knowing him. I never would have thought that before I knew him. I'm also pretty sure that in the same way, it's those thoughts of his that are what inspires something like a brand new two week old monarch butterfly to make a journey to Mexico for the winter and somehow find the right place where all the other monarchs are resting for the winter. Nothing else can ever adequately explain something like that for me.

I had no idea you had a lice problem when I pulled the tea tree oil off the shelf though I did think of you and your hunter cats as I poured it into the laundry...

The tea tree is also good for keeping spider mites and stuff of that nature out of your sheets and linens. If you do it just every few months your drawers/closet will always have a reminiscent (nice) faint tea tree oil odor and you won't have any bugs in there. Sort of like a cedar chest.

Well, I don't envy your days the next few weeks. The lice are real hard to get rid of. I eventually succumbed to pouring ammonia on my head to make sure I didn't have any, and I dragged the kid into the tub and poured it on her hair too because were were buying so much lice killer shampoo and it didn't work completely. And that stuff is expensive. Try to keep the ammonia off your scalp and keep your eyes closed real tight and shower immediately.

Dreadful but it worked. and keep the laundry running full steam ahead. It's a good time of year to clean the house anyway.

I should put some boric acid near my indoor firewood stash. I did put some outside under the wood pile to keep termites at bay.

Serious, the God thing...

2 weeks before 9/11 happened I dreamed I was in one of the WTC elevators and it was falling. In real life, I have actually been there and I know those elevators so I recognized the space, huge elevators, never been in another that big. Then a couple days later I dreamed I was in a stairwell, trying to go up, and I was being trampled by many many people rushing down... I didn't recognize the stairwell... then the same week, in the middle of the day i kid you not... I was standing in the backyard of our house looking at the garden, watching the kids jumping on the trampoline and I saw, like in real life but obviously it wasn't real, but for just 3-5 seconds, this big jumbo jet headed straight at me about 15 feet off the ground. Clear as day, not a fuzzy image, like real life but it wasn't really there,,, so strange,,, it was real strange, I guess that is what they call visions, I have never experienced that before that I know of, nothing like that, and never since. I didn't dare say anything to anyone it was just strange and I wondered why that happened.

I never put two and two together and God didn't shout out 'WTC is going to be attacked'.. but i was paranoid as all get out all week, I actually took my daughter out of her private school which was a 20 minute drive and enrolled her in the public school on the corner so that she would be nearby... and then the next week it actually happened, the WTC incident. So there were all the pieces but I didn't comprehend it.

It's certainly not evolution doing these things.

Ok, I will check out boric acid, see where I can get some.

Ok, yes you warned me about lice. But that’s neither here nor there. My cats where always gonna be living inside and outside. They are always gonna be hunting. Its just that the new diet enabled them to kill more efficiently and having lice has nothing to do with being on or off the raw meat diet. They live in and out and sometimes bugs come in to, just one of them things in owning cats. Although it has never knowingly happened to me before. You warned me that cats bring in bugs, it is a fact of life that cats that live outside can bring in bugs. The fact that you correctly forecast this event is……(cough, cough)…….is no big deal….because cats that live outside bring in bugs. Full stop. (For now anyway.)

Ok, now, this tea tree oil thing. You used tea tree oil, for the first time in a long time, at exactly the same time as I looked up what to do about lice and I decided that tea tree oil was what we where going to use to get rid of the lice. Now that is a strange coincidence that. And it’s too strange a coincidence to actually be a coincidence.

“Coincidence is the noteworthy alignment of two or more events or circumstances without obvious causal connection”

Well, we have a causal connection. That’s a fact. An unavoidable truth. We been talking here 5-6-7 time per week for….i donno…. however long we been talking here.
A connection is in place, because we talk via the thread just about every day.

Q: What do you call a coincidence that’s is not a coincidence?
A natural event?
An unnatural event?
An occurrence?
A connection?
Supernatural?
Deja-vu?
A vision?
A miracle?
A window?
Association?
A set?
Reiki?
The force?
Fate?
Gods work?
Gods will?
Gods helping hand?
God winking at you?

Ummmm?.....(stractching my head)….ummmm? This is really something Sosick. A really exciting cool something too. And then….and then if you add up all the other little bits and bobs we been mulling over here, all the little nods and pointers, the lice predictions…………Wow and double wow! How cool is this?
I find this amazing. Imagine that, imagine whats just happened? What are the odds of those two things happening together? No way can it be anything other than a connection. Somehow Sosick we, me and you, have been connected.
I struggle to understand stuff like this, but it makes me smile, and it makes me laugh, laugh out loud, makes me grin like a mad hatter! Happy at the strangeness that is surrounding us both. Magical!

Maybe we should chill out somewehere else, take a break from this thread?
Maybe we should never speak again?
Maybe we should speak all the day long?

No, this threads fun……I think the way it is ….is just fine and dandy

But……we got something strange going on here young lady. Something strange and I think stranger things gonna be coming to…..

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