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Round 1.

I have been amalgam free for 1.5 weeks now.

I just completed my first round on the Andy Cutler chelation protocol, DMSA 12.5mg every 4 hours for 3 days, even waking at night. Waking in the night was no problem, so I did the third night too, to make it 3 nights.

Had some very good spells, particularly on the second day I felt like a million bucks for 4-5 hours, right back to my good old self. But it didn't last & that evening brain fog set in and I looked at the wall for 4 hours. The best and the worst of it and all in the same day.

My heart was a bit racy at times and I had some strange
sensations/movements in my chest area. These are new to me, so theyfelt strange but no pain.

I did remember a dream. I don't usually.

I smell nasty.

My BM's smell nasty.

I have a strong metal taste in my mouth.

I awoke at normal time on Monday morning, after last dose at 2am, to a massively tingly & itchy right arm. I have a tattoo on my right arm, red and black ink, and it made me think that mercury was in the ink. Not a pleasant thought! But nothing more than itchy, no scabs or anything…just a tad itchy. A couple of hours later it was not itchy anymore.

Probably had an equal amount of time feeling ok as feeling below average.

Today is the first day after I finished and its basically the same….a nice gentle rollercoaster ride, not too fast, the fog comes and goes, but no feeling like a million bucks, nor looking at walls for too long.

All my previous amalgam removals have hurt like hell and have taken 3-4 weeks for me to get back to normal. The last was no exception; I would say this first DMSA round really helped. Previous removals have left me unable to function for 3-4 days in a row, repeating 7/14/21 days later, so what I described above is pretty mild compared to that, so it must have helped calm things down.

I'm real happy I followed advice and started on a low dose of 12.5 mg. That was easily strong enough. No desire to have it any stronger than that.

All in all a good success. It was very nice to feel so good, even if it was short lived.

This is interesting Sunshine. Thanks for sharing. This is the kind of detox reactions that are preferable than the extreme ones that are intolerable. Andy's protocol was not always "easy" and sometimes quite draining, but it got the toxins out of me in a manner I could somewhat handle, unlike anything else I had tried. Plus it was EFFECTIVE. So rather than hoping for the best and mainly mobilising metals, I could tell this was getting the stuff out over time.

I am glad you are using this and it seems to be working for you (as well as anything "can" work with mercury). It is like peeling the layers off an onion and you just have to do this over and over. Just looking at your symptoms was really strong that you're on the right track. THe metal taste (ohhhh yeah, anytime I used something to move metal), the smell from the bms (and urine probably), the hearting racing (have heard this can also be healing crisis reaction, get it myself). Sorry you're not feeling like a million bucks, but the patches of that will probably come and go on occassion. You just hit a kind of window or clear patch and you want to sit in this patch and never leave, but unfortunately your body wants to get on with downloading more of the mercury from storage, so it never lasts (not until enough mercury is gone for good).

It is quite something that you felt itching on your tattoo and tattoos do indeed have mercury. I had a list once that listed everything containing mercury and tattoos were one of them....so wow! That DMSA in you obviously had a go at that too?

12.5 mg, is the one I think I will recommend from now on if someone doesn't know about this protocol. Seeing that 25 mg seems a little too high. I'm surprised Andy recommends 50 mg, as this is FAR too much as a starting dose. I actually do not know of many people who can handle 50 mg and now it seems even 25 mg is too much.

Some people find 12.5 too much and have to start as low as 6 mg. Some just don't tolerate the DMSA, but that's pretty rare. Mostly it's the mercury being moved that is causing the problems.

I have gone through the brain fog of staring at nothing for long periods of time and often when chelating, and I knew that something was definitely happening. It was the strangest thing.

Anyway, keep us posted on your experiences with this. I know a few that were doing this on here, but don't see them much, if at all anymore....I hope this means they are improved enough to where they just don't get on the forum much anymore.

Hope you get well from this and the signs are very encouraging. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Hi Bex,
You recommended the cutler protocol to me, so thanks again. Its not easy this mercury malarkly, but I feel that I’m doing the right things now. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/inlove.gif" alt="" />

Re: feeling like a millions buck. I’m over the moon I had 4-5 hours feeling like that. Its been a long time I’ve felt like that, too long. I’m happy with that for the first round. I was expecting the rough-round-the-edges feeling anyways.

Tattoo: yeah, don’t want to think about getting that removed. No way! I did checkout various other forums and did not find anyone saying bad things about chelating with dmsa and having tattoo’s. Just that the ink, usually red ink, has mercury in it. Lovely. Time will tell.

Re 12.5 mg…that’s what yahoo FDC have been recommending furiously, so I asked them why….

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> Sunshine: Why do u recommend starting at such a low dose? 12.5 mg
> DMSA.

We have found that when people start at higher doses they often have
significant side effects, get scared and then put off chelation for
some time without realizing that the solution is to use a lower dose.
Most people find a dose of 12.5 mg about right to start and if the
occasional person finds that they have no symptoms at all with 12.5 mg
they can increase in subsequent rounds until they find their optimum dose.

>AI doesn't start that low, (I think,) he just says "50-300mg
> every 4 hours".

AI was written in 1999 I believe. Andy's more recent dose
recommendations are at Moria's web page (1/8 to 1/2 mg per lb) and in
his newer "Hair Test Interpretation" book. In HTI he says to start at
one dose and then adjust up or down depending on symptoms. I still
think that it is better to start low as TK suggests. I was one of the
ones who scared myself with doses of 25 mg but was fine at lower doses
(and I lost a year wondering what to do, it wasn't immediately obvious
to me to lower the dose at the time).
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My first post was written yesterday, but I got waylaid so didn’t post until today.

What happened today was unreal…..never a dull day…..LOL........read on......

Two days after completion of my first round of DMSA.

I have had an amazing & wonderful morning today. I am less colorblind than I was! This is totally astonishing. Walking to work I kept noticing how bright everything seemed to be, yet it was a cloudy London morning. I noticed how bright and clear the street signs where, specifically the blues. Blues have been sparkling at me all day. Reds and greens are more distinct too. Reading my book on the train was impossible because I just kept looking out the window at all those new colors. Some pictures seem to have more "depth", pictures have been leaping out at me all morning, I keep noticing bright colors across the room, shining at me.

AI does talk about this, he makes a passing reference to colors being brighter and also depth perception. (I don't have my book with me, but I will look it up. It might be in hair test book?) I always wondered if this could happen to me. Makes me think my mercury issue goes back, way back.

I am very colorblind and always have been. I have red/green, green/brown and blue/yellow. The reason I know I am VERY color-blind is because I got myself some special glasses that correct color-blindness. Same principle as dyslexia glasses. Different color lenses somehow correct the vision. I have one pink and one green lense. Called "chromagen lenses".
When I put on the glasses lots of missing colors come back, and also my depth perception get significantly better. Obviously its difficult to know HOW colorblind I am because that's the way I have always been and have always seen. But putting the glasses on made me realise just how drastically colorblind I am. I am very very color blind. Was quiet depressing really, realising just how much I had missed in life, anyway. I also realised how much depth perception I have missing too. The difference was like watching black and white TV and a color TV….a significant difference.The glasses gave me back lots and lots of colors.

The change that has just occurred after this first round of DMSA is not that much, but enough for me to notice straight away that something had changed. As a wild guess, I'd say my colors are approx 15pct better, and some depth perception is back, but it is difficult to gauge.

I always thought that my color blindness was a genetic thing, passed down from my grandfather. He was black and white only colorblind. And guess what he did for a living…………yup……he was a dentist. LOL what a crazy world we live in!

And that's what has come back this morning, colors…..most astonishing indeed. Made my day and that's for sure.

Sounds amazing Sunshine. Congratulations! I also got better vision after amalgam removal, not much of the crappy blurry vision left. The improvement hasn't been as dramatic as yours but has happened gradually.
Your mercury may also be inherited then?

That's quite amazing sunshine, considering you have only JUST started on this!! Even now, you are noticing little things happening. Usually what I found was a constant cycle of improvements and regressions. Because the only way to truly improve, unfortunately is to regress again as your body tries to clear another layer of cr*p.

My brother is colour blind SS. He's also blind in one eye, so it's kind of tragic that the "one" eye he has, can't even perceive colours as they really are.

My grandfather was also colourblind, so there was the genetic tendency already there. Apparently it misses a generation and then hits the next male child. Weird.

Anyway, the fact you are noticing something from the DMSA? Something that seems more vivid, is so encouraging at this very early stage. And when I hear stuff like this, it makes me feel more encouraged to recommend his protocol.

I'm really glad to have been instrumental in you discovering it! Makes me feel good when that happens. This protocol has probably the best track record I have heard yet and I cannot understand why on earth more doctors are not taking it onboard? Is there a touch of professional jealousy in some cases I wonder? Certainly I have encountered quite angry retorts on Andy's protocol from some professionals, even when you pass on the success, they seem antagonistic and irritated by it and seek only to criticise. But to me, results speak louder than any of it and I say, let the layperson just keep spreading the word on here, if it cannot be done elsewhere.

Your experience does remind me of some things I experienced too SS. Though I am not colourblind, I was very taken aback to discover a sense of sudden vividness in the world around me. Like you, I was so distracted by this, I would sit and just look around me in wonderment. Not only that, but sometimes the mental symptoms would abate and this feeling of total well being, joy that I could hardly believe.

The feeling of being able to absorb information, clarity of the eyes and mind, happiness for no apparent reason, unable to even make yourself depressed or fearful and realising that all my prevous miseries had nothing to do with me whatsoever. THat was a shocker, because there is often a lot of guilt and self blame involved in this illness and the feeling that "some of this must just be "me" and to find out it isn't, is a revelation. You start seeing flashes of potential, what you're capable of actually being.

The one chelating agent that apparently really starts to get that going is ALA I hear, because it chelates the organs and the brain where the mercury is coming from. You are only chelating the extracellular mercury, tissues and blood.

But some people have healed by DMSA alone! Keep that in mind <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> So I'm thinking it does have "some" organ chelating ability, but obviously not quite what ALA has. I got pretty well on DMSA alone, I never used ALA at that time and was healing regardless.

Both candida and mercury gave me blurred vision too, when previously my vision had been pretty faultless. That improved after I had treated both.

So hang in there SS, it's quite an exciting journey.

Hey Sunshine
That is very interesting about the colors being so much brighter. I have been eating sulpher foods and taking garlic for 6 months now. My body would not except the other chelators. I believe I can tolerate the garlic and cilantro because i was raised on these types of foods all my life. Something familiar to my body. Anyways I was wondering if I was making any progress. Well in the past month my eyesight has become so much better. Colors I have not seen in forever...so amazing. Reds, blues,greens,purples...I could go on and on. I can read all the street signs, so vividly. Before I could not read a stop sign, could just see the shape. So crazy and at the same time so encouraging to push onward. Anyways I am glad you talked about that, lets me know I am making some much needed progress. Good Luck on the next round.
Rachel <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dancefiction.gif" alt="" />

BEX: Glad I seem to have awakened some happy memories hidden in there Bex, its good to smile <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> It is an exciting journey thats is for sure. This year has led me to some amazing discoveries and this color thing is just …….magnificent!

Skieslimit: Hiya. After the difficult year that I have had, it really is wonderful to have such a special bonus as the colors coming back. I still have a big grin on my face. I had read about the colors returning, but for it to actually happen, on the first round of dmsa, was exhilarating and made all the hard work I have done this year, all worth it. I have worked really hard to put mybody in a position to be able to chelate. I was in such a sorry state at the start of the year.

It is difficult for others to understand the joy of my colors returning, but you have experienced this too….how cool!
Because of the special colorblind glasses I have, I am acutely aware of how bad my color vision is, and how much I have missed in life. Walking around art galleries with my glasses on, to be able to see so many wonderful pictures ……and to actually be able to appreciate them in all there splendour….. for the first time was fantastic…… but at the same time really depressing. Difficult to explain but the equivalent is; I see in black and white and you see in color. Actually realising what I had missed my whole life…….was pretty miserable…..

But now……..i got some colors coming back! Happy dayz!

Next round starts tomorrow, Friday.

I think I will go make some carrot juice. I have 2 hours of edible sanity left before my liver cleanse goes into famish stage.

I think I gained 5 lbs in last 2-3 weeks since the last one, my jeans are a tad tight, that's a good thing, I like a little layer of fat for a winter blanket.

Hi SS, with what you're telling me here, it does make me wonder if mercury may have been or "maybe" involved in some of my brother's problems....

It is really something when something inside you becomes clear or opens up, when you've been wondering around in a kind of dull toxic fog for so long, it can be quite shocking. It's interesting that Andy mentions some people having to get psychological help when all their senses and memories get switched back on and they can hardly handle it, overwhelming apparently. For me? Heck bring it on, I loved it! I think some of it though allows for the person's mind to become so clear that perhaps the memories of suffering are then so much more painful and then the years they have missed and almost having to start life again...maybe that is why.

I've heard that if a blind person gets to see again, it can take 7 years to adjust. So it reminds me a little of that.

I hope that in the future rounds, you will find more and more switching back on. It's funny because some stuff happens that you didn't even know was gone! So here's hoping for further surprises!

Double good luck Sosick. Get those stones OUT! Make sure you chill too, it’s a powerful cleansing you are doing!

Thanks Bex. Its nice to be mending.

Right, I’m going to chop up some lines now, just like the good old days. Going to split my DMSA capsules <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I think there were a LOT of toxins in there with the stones. Mercury and whatelsecanyouthinkof

Well I am about halfway through this second cleanse and still sane...

i felt very rough post removal but strangely my eyes got better.
i dont need my glasses now.

HI Dawn, you too! I have had a few mails and PM’s from people saying the same thing, that their eyes got better.

I watched a film last night with my new eyes! Wow! And double wow! Amazing experience that. Truely amazing!

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Round 2 was 2.5 weeks after I had all my amalgams removed. I am still suffering the after effects of this removal. Specifically the brain fog comes from that, I only get the fog after amalgam removal with the after-effects repeating 7/14/21 days after, lasting 3-4 weeks each time.

I had another 4-5 hour period where I felt like a million bucks, really great, followed again by brain fog although not as bad as round 1. I did get a bad headache, my big toe throbbed like crazy for no apparent reason, and my tattoo arm was very itchy again. Sometimes I felt fine, sometime rough, each of these symptoms last 3-5 hours before moving onto the next.

I did remember a dream again, as I did on round 1.

Now I know what Andy means when he talks of “manageable symptoms” – all of my symptoms are “manageable”. As I said the brain fog comes from amalgam removal, it gets less as each week goes by. Round 2 was smoother that round 1 and i had much less redistribution at the end.

On my first round my colour vision improved, specifically blue came back very well. The second round also produced more exciting changes in my eyesight, yellow this time. Difficult to gauge accurately by how much, but enough for me notice straight away. Enough for me to be a bit puzzled why everything yellow had been given a fresh coat of paint over night. Enough for me to go to an art gallery was be amazed at how much more I can see. Enough for me to be watching DVD’s and marvelling at the colors and my increased depth perception. The colours coming back is reason enough alone, for me to continue with the protocol.

I can’t wait to see what colors comeback next time, Round 3 starts Friday morning.

That is pretty amazing, the colors, so quickly.

I wonder why I never suffered any of that through the years. I really donlt know.

ALA may help with the brain fog, also cilantro. But if you've never chelated before it's probably wise to add those a bit downline, while still using the DMSA. I was IV chelated for several weeks at least before I added them, even before I added DMSA. Be sure to take selenium supplements and plenty of other minerals in beween your chelation rounds.

I have noticed that overdosing mineral supplements may contribute to headaches but you need to take them when chelating, on days off.

B vitamins may also help with the brain fog, you can take those while chelating, they work synergestically with the DMSA as a matter of fact, vitamin e also. I read that in some report somewhere but I have no idea where by now. Seems to be true for me.

According to da protocol, ALA is earliest 3 months after amalgam removal. Everything seems to be going ok right now, so I will not deviate from the program just yet. I do have plans to deviate, but that’s for later, too early for that yet.

Ummmmm, not sure you would approve of my supplementing at the movement. It is rather heavy, in fact heavier than before. I am healing and getting better now. My gut is doing good and I am digesting food and supplements so…..i’m with heavy duty supplementation right now. I have tried so many things I may as well try this. (I am too embarrassed to post what I’m taking right now <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/junkfood.gif" alt="" />)

That's wonderful SS re the colours etc! I am more amazed at how fast things are happening for you and that tells me that you have obviously planned all this and gone through with it in the safest way possible and obviously your replacement materials are good too.

If you do deviate from the protocol and bad things happen, you can just get back on the protocol as it can usually correct a case of redistribution. HOwever, is it worth the risk? If it aint broke....why fix it? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Of course, that is up to you to decide. But just a word of caution. I had a friend who screwed himself up bad by taking cilantro and I think he used ALA (indiscrimmantly) by a doctor's suggestions and finally found Andy's protocol and desperately trying to undo the damage....I dont know if he did, I no longer hear from the guy.

He spoke with Andy often over it and Andy seemed to feel it may have been bad redistribution, but also combining with the possible dumping stage of mercury that he may have suddenly been experiencing. Sometimes chelation can actually encurage that stage to occur, because he hadn't had it previously. Problem was, his pick of chelating did nothing to help him, but rather exacerbated it all.

I have tried deviating from the protocol myself in the past with usually unpleasant results. I tried taking DMSA without the frequent dosing and just used 50 mg once at night and of course made things worse. I have also tried cilantro which seemed to just make the metal symptosms worse, stir things up, but didn't notice improvements. Maybe this shows a problem on my part with eliminating what's been stirred around (my liver phases are out of sync)...

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />Be brave and go paste those supplements....

Don't know what I would have done without the advice here, particularly yours Bex. I consciously thank my lucky stars probably every day that it didn't take me long to find a chelation regime that works well for me. I could have been flailing for months, making myself worse. Instead I feel like I'm fighting off the SAD and I'm managing pretty well to keep things afloat.

Keep us updated Sunshine. You've shared some really good news here <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Thanks LindaLou <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" />

Hi Linda, you're very welcome. It's a pleasure to say the least. I'm just so glad that this protocol has been helpful to you as it was to me at the time (and has been anytime I've had further exposure). Gotten me through and out of some really horrible situations.

I hope that it will be the cure for you eventually, though I know the first couple of years or so are hard. Even Andy speaks of this because no matter how perfectly you do it, it's still not easy.

(example 1-2-1 = 1 at breakfast, 2 at lunch, 1 at dinner)

1-0-0 Vit D3 – 1000 IU
1-1-0 COQ10 200 mg
1-0-0 Boron - 3mg.
1-0-0 Molybdenum – 1,000 mcg.
1-0-1 Vit B12 –
3-3-3 Vit C – 9 grams per day.
1-0-0 Kelp
1-0-1 Magnesium citrate 1000 mg
1-1-1 Betaine & pepsin 960mg + 20 mg
1-1-1 Vit E 600mg
1-0-1 GTF chromium 120 ug
1-1-0 Multi Vit B large Dosage
2-1-1 Taurin 2000mg
flax oil – 1 table spoon
plus ¼ tsp each of sage, thyme, ginger, cinnamon, cloves.

Plus on rounds of DMSA 3 days per week.

Plus 1-2 tsp himalayan rock salt per day

I am getting better, so i'm sticking with everything <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/junkfood.gif" alt="" />

Hi Bex, no no no , I’m not going off protocol like that, by taking different chelators like cilantro and chorella. No way hose.

Don’t know if parasite cleanse is on or off protocol but I’m going to do one most likely in any case.

I know liver flushing is off protocol, but Sosick makes me jealous, so I might do one after the parasite cleanse if I’m feeling fine and dandy. Depends how I feel at the time.

yes, I worked real hard to put my body in a position to heal. I’ve been getting better ever since the Cat experiment, which is about 3 months now. It is slow. Lots of two steps forward, one step back. I still get plenty of off days but my health is rising slowly but surely now.

Here's my regime. You see, it's not just you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

On waking: 200mg magnesium citrate

Breakfast: multivitamin, 3g vitamin C, 1000iu vitamin D3, 400 iu vitamin E (mixed tocopherols), 200ug selenium, "Detoxica" (glutathione precursors), 2 tsp. fish oil

an hour later: 2 Algin capsules

an hour later: 400mg calcium citrate

an hour later: 200mg mag citrate, 50mg zinc

Lunch: multivitamin, 3g vitamin C, Detoxica, 1000iu D3

2pm: 200mg mag citrate

4pm: 2 Agin capsules

Dinner: multivitamin, 3g vitamin C, Detoxica

2 hours later: 2 Algin capsules

Before bed: colloidal mineral supplement, ginkgo biloba, ashwagandha.

On days when I'm at school or doing other cortisol-raising activities, I will also take a herb called relora a few times.

Much of this protocol was recommended by my ND but I added things on my own, e.g. for mercury chelation. I'd like to add other things like milk thistle but this stuff is awfully expensive as it is. It better damn well put me right at some point LOL, I've been doing it for a year and a half now.

lol, dont worry SS, I've heard some more extensive supplement taking than yours and Linda's! Sounds pretty good to me actually. So long as it helps. I've been on similar from time to time.

SS, have you ever tried chlorella or cilantro? I have before and neither had a very good effect on me, I found they either did nothing or stirred up problems without actually doing much to remedy them. I think they can work if the person has the capacity to eliminate what they have stirred up and brought out. But with my elimination, being what it is, it just went in circles pretty much. I find andy's protocol is more thorough and controlled... but again whatever works. If you did try the other stuff or anything else and found it works, that's great. But they can really hurt sometimes. Heard some horror stories. But I guess you hear that with anything.

HOwever, I feel this is to do with preparation as well, diet, and whether the person receives that and a proper work up and support. Plus, sometimes the dumping stage can occur out of the blue, or can occur by products that might stimulate it to happen (So I hear). There may have been a combo of factors that can cause severe reactions...

I dont think that the first few years after removal are easy for anybody anyway. Symptoms are usually pretty extreme and up and down. But I always think it's a little scary when products can cause this to become far worse or unpredictable. I always tended to go back to Andy's in the end. Though I always was willing to give other things a go and it was always good to have andy's there as a back up and sometimes "correction" after playing around on other products.

THough I hear that some don't like his and do better on others. So, I really cannot state that it's absolutely for everybody. Though I think the amount of people who do well on it is pretty encouraging.

Hi Sunshine. I have been reading your posts and am so happy to hear you are doing so well so far. I saw your list of supplements and am sure they are helping you a lot to feel better as you chelate. Did you say that you were unable to tolerate any supplements at one point? I remember reading somewhere what you did to help your gut, but I can't remember where. I am unable to take any supplements, and have trouble digesting everything. My symptoms are getting worse, and I'd like to make an appointment to begin amalgam removal around Christmas week. What did you do to help you be able to take more supplements if this was the case for you. Do you think amalgam removal and beginning chelation were what helped you tolerate more, or was it the other things you did before. I've been very underweight - just recently gained some but with some consequences - my yeast is out of control, and brain fog worse. This is what happens every time I gain at all because I am so toxic. I am curious, as you are feeling better, are you gaining some weight too? I remember you said how underweight you were as well.

Thank you and I hope things keep getting better for you-

Andrea

hi ange : when I was at my worst and still had 9 amalgams I was not sure if mercury was causing my illness ,I could not take any suppliments and lost about 25 pounds and could not gain any weight ,my wife was freaking out , we though the worst , but I did get better after amalgam removal , I started taking my suppliments in the evening after 6:00 pm and was able to tolerate them better ,still not sure why but at least I can take them now ,I had my amalgams put in about 30 years ago ,so I expect to take a little while to get to 90 - 100% again

Hi Ange
When I started removal I was not absorbing any of the supplements either. I had lost about 30 pounds too! I weigh 108 now and am just starting to show a little improvement with building a little muscle. I am absorbing the supplements now and am starting to show some improvement with my memory and energy level. Not as much as I wish but am an my way slowly. It is all a very slow process but well worth it I think. It took many years to become this toxic and so will take some time to cleanse and get better. Hang in there! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/byebye.gif" alt="" />
Rachel

I cant do dmsa because my liver is very bad - I start even the low dose and then my neck gets so soar it kinks, and blistering headache, cant move

After trying about 6 different methods, it look sto me like only dealing with gut is working well, with high dose probiotic - Healthy Trinity from Natren. The better absorption of food is giving me strength, and its weird some days I feel rotton, and then wake up the next day and feel 70% better - I think my body gets stronger and then detoxes naturally...???

So am going to do gut for however long it takes - after 3 months am going to take a yeast cleanser - Latero Flora powder - 1/4 scoop every 5 days AM and probiotic PM that day, but usually AM for the probiotic after breakfast. (2 capsules first 3 months and then 4 capsules a day 3 months and then 1 cap a day.... 1 - 2 years)

If heartburn then a digestive enzyme with HCL betaine

If no heartburn just a regular Adult Formula UDO enzyme is fine

Krill oil - 2000 MG AM

Simple Greens - http://www.myvega.com/products/smoothie.asp

Liver clease lightly - 1 ML 2X a day after meals first 2 months and then 2ML X2 day for 2 months and thereon for 1 - 2 years -- http://stfrancisherbfarm.com/product.aspx?ID=17&Title=Liver


After 1-2 years when gut is working then do Natural Cellular Defence - once make it through this, then dig deep with the DMSA and take lots of trace minerals in between doses - and extra calcium/magnesium

500mg vit c if okay

From my list…I forgot Zinc 2-2-2 100mg per day

LindaLou: thanks for posting yours, makes me feel slightly more normal.

Bex: Chlorella, cilantro – both screw me up, mildly but it is another body burden reduced by avoiding.

Hi Andrea: oh….so many questions and not enough time.

I am a firm believer in muscle testing. All my supplements have been muscle tested on me and each benefits me. each supplement has been researched and I know the reason I’m taking it (mostly!) the vast majority came from researching the results of my hair test, which showed me many more problems to figure out.

For the majority of this year my gut has been completely screwed. For 4-5 months I could only eat salad (and excluding all sulphur foods) it was a total and utter nightmare. The preceding months I spent figuring out I couldn’t eat anything normal, including healthy food, figuring out what did what to me, was a painful ride. I discovered symptoms/reactions to something I ate took about 20 hours to hit me. That took a long time to understand. For example, I ate 1 small piece of tomato by mistake, nothing happened until 20 hours later when a host of painful, misery inducing symptoms hit, lasting between 5-10 days. Yes 5-10 days of misery from 1 small bit of tomato eaten by mistake, life was extremely hard, and was extremely hard to figure it out why. I had symptoms on top of symptoms for most of the time. This nightmare time was after amalgam removal with no protection. Only one tooth, but was enough to send my already screwed health into a nose dive.

So, yeah, nothing was being digested, supplements did virtually nothing to me.
I was extremely underweight. All skin and bones.

I then proceeded to get the remainder of my amalgams removed, which was very stressful on my body/health.

During this time I tried everything that you can possible imagine to get better. I promise you, whatever you have heard about, whatever health regaining activity you have heard about, I probably have tried it. LOL. Was an intense time. I was desperate, everything I ate made me sick, I was malnourished, I was fading away and it called for drastic measures.

So I tried everything and eventually I did enough and I started healing. I removed enough toxins from my life and environment that healing was at last possible. The difference was like night and day, one moment I was sick as a dog and the next……boom……I was out the other side and healing. I am incredibly proud of what I have done this year, it was unbelievably difficult, the straw that broke the camels back was unbelievable and I remain overjoyed that I am healing slowly but surely. All this was done BEFORE all my amalgams where removed. All this was done in the middle of getting amalgams removed and the removal process was very hard on me and my poor old health.

Its been about 3 months now I have been healing. in the month after the overnight turnaround in my health I have put on 10kg (22 pounds.) I seem to have stabilised at 63kg (138lbs) I have been amalgam free for 3 weeks now. I would love to put on at least another 10kg.

So the message is, yes you can heal your gut before amalgam removal. I did.

How I did it?…………you need about 15-20 mins to read the top 10-15 posts….but please checkout “The Great raw meat Cat experiment and me.”

http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB16

Sorry I don’t have a simple quick and easy answer for you. No easy roadmap to good health. We must each find our own path, I had to try a zillion things to just start healing. when u have read what I did, feel free to come back and ask specific questions about the things I did to get better….….i am more than willing to help you with what I learned.

Hi Kako

Heartburn: my cure is Apple cider vinegar. Not the processed stuff. Not the clear stuff, but the murky organic apple cider vinegar. It has something called “mother” in it. Looks like algae.

Whenever I get heartburn, I take 2-3 tablespoons of it with water. cures my heartburn in 10 mins every time.

Peppermint oil capsules are ace for this too.

Hi Mikey. Thank you so much for replying. Your story has given me hope. I have tried to take so many different forms of supplements over the past 7 years with no success. I am curious, how did you do with the actual removal itself? Did you get worse during this process. I have been really scared that the replacement material will cause me problems as well, even though I've had the blood test to see what I am least reactive to. If you did get worse, was this short lived before you started getting stronger? I know you said you have taken the natural route. What supplements, natural chelators are you able to take now?

Thank you again Mikey. I hope your improved health continues for you.

Be well-

Andrea

Thanks Rachel. It's good to see you are feeling slowly better. I also do not feel this will happen quickly for me as I've been sick for so long. Thank you also for letting me know you are abosorbing supplements now when you had not previously. My memory and energy are wosening by the day and I feel this is what I need to do to get better. I'm just so scared to become bedridden from this. I can't afford to not be able to work at all (I work part time in my own business and schedule a lot of rest in between). Although I don't know how much longer I'll be able to work the way I am either which is why I need to do something.

Thanks so much for you support and I really hope you continue to feel stronger.

Andrea

hi andrea: amalgam removal was the last resort for me , my hormones were all whacked out and the doctors that I had seen in the past could not figure out what was causing it to happen , I just went ahead and had the 9 amalgams replaced over a 2-3 month peroid and the first 3 removed caused increased symtpms for about 3 weeks , but the last six were not as bad for symtoms ,I did not have to compadability test done, my dentist told me that most of them came back the same , he did not hold to much validity in the test , I tried using msm for my joints and it kind of set me back a little bit msm is a organic sulfur compound and can tell you that it does mobilize mercury I stopped using it becuase it was causeing increased symtoms, I was doing much better before before using it , I know that you are scared to have your amalgams replaced , you just don't want to make things worse for yourself , many of us have been through it , it is not an easy path ,but it is the only way to get well the suppliments that I take know are :
mercury free fish oil 2000 mg
olive leaf extract 150 mg
cranberry extract 500 mg
glucosamine/condroitin 1500 mg
saw palmetto 150 mg
25 mg zinc
1000 mg tribulus every other day
mens multi vitimin

Thanks for getting back to me again Mikey. It is so scary, and I think for me it is the last resort too. I think I'm just going to take the chance this time like you did and hope for the best. I'll go in with the expectation that I'll worsen at least for a little while, and then will pray! I think I'll do this Christmas week if I can get an appontment so I can take some time off from work when I get the first ones done. I only have six in my mouth.


Thanks for the supplement list too. You're not taking anything for chelating then (but still getting better)???

Thanks again.

Hey Sunshine. Sorry I haven't been able to get back to you sooner. I'm still reading your cat experiment. Amazing stuff! I also have removed all kinds of toxins from my life - I even moved out of my house 5 years ago because I was so chemically sensitive and sick in my old house - it was moldy. But now I think what sets me over the edge here is my heat. Every time the heat comes on I am like nonfunctional! The colder it gets, the more the natural gas, forced hot air heat is pumping - the more debilitated I am. We were even talking about switching to electric at one point but it's so expensive we tabled that idea. I totally agree that a good evironment can help you tolerate more things. When I'm at the ocean in the summer I can tolerate more foods and feel stronger. Now I need to work on detoxing me - and hope I'll be able to tolerate this heat better. That's incredible how you are really gaining weight too. And it began before amalgam removal! I still haven't figured out that one for myself. Right now I'm about 86 lbs. and 4'11 1/2. I know once I can tolerate some foods and gain weight I'll start to feel better. That's great that your spine started to feel stronger too. Mine curves at the top, incredible neck and shoulder pain - I'm hoping this too will improve if I detox. I plan to read more of your story and may contact you with some questions.

Thanks again.

Andrea

Kako,

It's good to hear that working on the gut is helping you. I still can't even take a probiotic - although I haven't tried in some time. I know I could not tolerate all of those supplements you mentioned as of yet. Like you, I couldn't tolerate NCD at this point either. Do you have amalgams or were yours removed?

Thanks again-

Andrea

Hi Ange, yes putting weight back on made me feel so much better. All those supplements started working too. Once I flipped above my toxic limit I started healing. Good luck to you!

Round 3 completed of 12.5mg DMSA every 4 hours 3 days on 4 days off, even dosing at night.

I love my new color vision. Round 3 I have the color RED coming back. I continue to be amazed at this remarkable added bonus. Round 1 was blue, round 2 was yellow, now I got red back too. Happy happy dayz! The rounds are with doing for this color vision alone <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

On round on the second day in the morning I felt like a million bucks again, just like previous rounds. Then in the afternoon I felt terrible again, just like previous rounds. Day 1 and 3 in just felt better. Overall pretty good, but still a bit of a rollercoaster ride. Although amalgam removal aftereffects are still hitting me, the second day sensations have been basically the same on each round, so I assume I need to dose more frequently than every four hours. Next round I will go to 3 or 3.5 hour dosing. Not ideal to wake twice in the night but I continue to heal and I continue to feel better, although it’s slowly, it is also surely.

I also had a re-distribution experience 15 hours after the last dose. 2 hours of brain fog, made me feel like a freak. Unpleasant really, but it passed like it usually does.

This is very encouraging SS, love to hear about the return of the colours! It does make you wonder though how many poor sods are walking around poisoned and don't even know what is wrong. I wish everybody knew about this and had the option of going down this avenue as we have done, because it's well worth trying, even to prevent possible future problems. I know not everybody slips into chronic toxicity, but the ongoing build up from amalgams is a receipe for disaster if someone has enough of them and does not take particular care of their health, or winds up having some other impact to their immunity and suddenly succumbs to the amalgams. Seen that occur. One guy thought he was fine for years with amalgams, no problem (seemingly) and had an accident of some kind and from then on, chronically poisoned with mercury. He coudln't understand it, but when you think about it, the ongoing assault must have caught up with him in a weakened state as it did me. I believe I was actually poisoned for years, but nothing was so evident until I got braces put on my teeth and wham, slipped straight into major metal toxic sickness and though they were removed, I was never the same from then on. It only took one extra load, one extra toxic metal, the combination, the further uptake of mercury from the galvanic reactions (battery effects) between two metals and I was a goner. From then on? It was a young adulthood of misery, candida, glandular fever, mercury, viruses, infections, the whole deal. So though i may have been more vulnerable and sensitive from the word go, I think the risk is there for anybody.

But just mentioning brain fog, I remember that well when I was chelating and sometimes I would actually not be able to do anything but sit and stare. I could barely function at all. Though it was dire suffering, it was very very difficult and distracting to be in a state where you feel like you've been brain drugged. So your comments brought that back! But it was worth it to get results at the end of it.

It's actually amazing how much suffering a toxic person puts up with. Inner torment at times so bad you cannot really put it into words. I guess some toxic people are worse than others, it varies as to what someone will experience.

Round 4 – update - 12mg 3 days on, 4 days off

It is one month since I have been amalgam free and any after-effects from removal should now have subsided. Anything that happens on rounds is now due to the DMSA actions only.

Due to gentle rollercoaster of manageable symptoms I changed length of cycles from every 4 hours down to every 3 hours, except in the evening/night to:

6am, 9am, 12noon, 3pm, 6pm, 10pm, 2pm

At 920pm, i.e. 3hours 20mins after last dose, I started feeling a bit strange with a little bit of brain fog coming in, but decided to wait until 10pm anyway to take next dose. It became obvious that I need to dose every 3 hours, all the time.

I had; major muscle weakness in my lower back, moderate brain fog, low energy, tired and weak. I was angry and irritated all weekend. Lots of parasite activity with my shoulders hurting like hell, BM’s changed color to light tan, and heartburn and racing heart at times too. The round got progressively worse until I had to stop two dosages before the end of day 3. It was my first unpleasant round, previous rounds where pretty good.

Think I will change the start and end time of rounds. I will aim to finish in the evening so that any re-distribution events hopefully happen when I am asleep.

So…I need to dose every 3 hours, even at night. I was hoping not to have to get up twice at night. Oh well…worth a try!

And…. I guess I need to reduce the dosage too: 8.3mg or 6.25 (splitting 25mg capsules)

The round got progressively worse, day 1 was ok, day 2 not so nice, day 3 unpleasant.

Today is first day after the round ended and I have mostly returned to normal. Muscle weakness has calmed right down, thankfully. This has been one of my biggest problems and it had been significantly better since I have been amalgam free.

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hospitalbed.gif" alt="" />

SS, sorry to hear it was not a pleasant round for you and I think you're onto a better way of taking it by finishing the round at night. I hope that is helpful. Annoying that you have to take it every 3 hours during the night too, but obviously every 4 is just causing too much redistribution symptoms.

Mind you side effects are not really a bad sign anyway and not avoidable in most cases. The more poisoned you are, the worst they are. I used to get similar and my symptoms would increase as the round went on, till by the end of it I was more than ready to STOP the round. But then you get the symptoms just from doing that as well.

Perhaps the lower dose will help you too. Whatever works. Also, you get a worsening of your previous and past symptoms I hear. They call this "retracing", in order to heal the body traces back through it's past illnesses/symptoms and you can get an exaggeration of previous or present symptoms.


With me it was similar, by the 2-3rd day I would be getting worse. But I stupidly pushed myself to do a full weeks' worth of chelating back then and I would get so sick by the end of the week I could barely function because of the brain fog and other symptoms. I never got anything "insane", but it would have been better had I made my rounds shorter, then I would have been able to chelate more often and not feel quite as sickly.

Yeah, I know that if it all starts going pear shaped, then just stop and recover.

The first 3 rounds where “manageable symptoms,” this round was unpleasant enough to stop. I had a large family gathering on Sunday and was pretty obvious I was a zombie….

Not ideal…..

And I have to wake twice in the night….bugger! I have minimum 1 year of chelation and I have to wake twice in the night for at least 12 months, 3 times a week……bugger indeed!

I seem to have recovered ok now <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bunnydance.gif" alt="" />

This was just one step backwards, now I can look forward to two steps forward <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Round 5 – DMSA – update

DMSA 6mg, dosing every 3 hours even waking at night, 3 days on, 4 days off. I have been amalgam free almost 6 weeks.

Phew! I have finally found the dose and timings that suit me.
Round 4 was rather nasty, but I learned a lot from it and this round 5 was pretty smooth, any symptoms where very mild. I could go about my life in a normal manner.

After the last round I had to reduce dosing times to every 3 hours, I also halved the dose to 6mg and that was perfect. I did think about reducing the time further, but I have tinkered enough for now, this round was what I have seen others describing as good, manageable round.

I did have a little redistribution event afterwards, but again it was much less than all 4 previous rounds, just a little itching,
heartburn and metal mouth.

I also changed my start and end times, so that I took my last dose at 6pm, which hopefully allows some redistribution to happen when I'm asleep. That seems to work too.

Sunshine, I saw your post on another thread about cutting the doses up, credit card, etc. I am going to try that with my 50 mgs of DMPS and make it 25 mgs. I can't seem to even tolerate that anymore, by the 2nd day getting EXTREME itching on the face. G

Yeah, get into drug dealer mode…chop up some lines Lady! I found it was like riding a bike! LOL

When I start ALA, which is not for at least 2 months, I will start on 3mg. ultra low!

If i were you I’d go as low as you can, the metal removal is not changed that much and side effects drastically reduced. You can always work up again to find your ideal level. But if its too high…then you have to put up with all those bloody symptoms.

I know what you mean about extreme itching…I had that on round 4. Nasty.

Yeah, it was really bad the last round of 50 mgs DMPS alone, no ALA. First day was okay...2nd day exhausted and itching like I've never seen before, on my face of all things. Makes me think the Nickel is chelating from the braces I had on 2005/2006. Also, the red rash seems to have moved a little downward so I think it's finally leaving. The L-Glutathione complex seems to be helping this. I am thinking of going back to DMSA (25 mgs), have some laying around and cutting my ALA to 12.5 mgs to see if this is more tolerable. Thanks so much for your support and information. It helps a lot!

hi glancina : where did you get you dmps from ? have not been able to find it in this area

Thx Glancina, it is a pleasure.

From what I’ve read there is no point in having the chelators too high a dosage. Chelatioin has to be done for years and it needs to be bearable. I was a little surprised that I have to go to such a low dosage, only 6mg, but on this dosage I can lead a normal life, so that’s what I will stick with.

I would also like to know were to get DMSA.Also I have metal wires under the skin that was placed there from a surgery years ago.Can I use DMSA with the wires.

I get mine from here : http://www.worldwidehealthcenter.net/category.php?find=dmsa

You must not take DMSA(or any chelators) with amalgams still in your mouth. It will seriously hurt for a long time if you do.

Wires under the skin….that I don’t know. I know that they make the mercury come out of the fillings quicker, but I don’t know if u can chelate with them or not. I could guess…but guessing get people in trouble.

Someone else will have to help on that. If no one replies then you should ask on Yahoo frequent dose chelation. They will know.

Again….don’t trust what the doctor or dentist says. They most likely do not know. you need someone familiar with Cutler protocol to say a yes or a no.

Are the wires in your mouth?

Have you seen the smoking tooth video on youtube?

Thanks Sunshine
The wires were placed inside the upper mouth when jaw surgery was done.
Yes I have seen the video and I was Shocked to say the least.
Oh I have learned my lesson on taking anything while I still have the fillings.LOL
My wife still wants to kill me for taking that stuff and screwing my life up.I have not worked in a week due to the ripping tearing pains in the soles of my feet.
One day I hope this will only be a bad memory for all of us.

I’m breaking from chelation at the moment. 6 weeks break. In that time I have done:
1 x 1 month parasite cleanse
1 x 1 month bowel cleanse
1 x liver flush (with olive oil and grapefruit juice)
6 weeks drinking Essiac tea and willing continue for a couple of months
2-3 detox baths per week, Epsom salt or Himalayan crystal salt
Started castor oil packs, 3 per week.

I continue on The Watercure, which I have been on for 1 year now.
I continue megadosing vitamin and mineral supplements.
I continue detoxing my environment with the discovery of my toxic mattress.

I have been addressing my adrenal problems too, with the slow introduction of Adrenal Cortex Extract (ACE). Starting at 25mg for 1 week, then 50mg the next, and I’m currently at 100mg. Thought I might have had a problem with it yesterday….but I seem ok today. I really need this stuff to work.

All this is time consuming & I wish it would suddenly cure me.

So….is all this worth my effort? In a word…… YES. A very big YES. No way I am gonna just sit around and take all this crap and do nothing.
Would I be better just getting on with life? Struggling on, ignoring the pain? No way! I’ve done that and it does not work. Life just becomes unbearably miserable.

Would I be better just chelating? Just focus on the mercury? I don’t think so, all this stuff I’m doing really is cleaning my toxic body up BIG STYLE, which will make chelation easier.

I am defo feeling better, defo getting better, but I still have to do all these things…...i’m still funked up. Each detox I do, I see and feel the results and moves me forwards towards normalness but I still got a long way to go. This past week I had some great days, then yesterday I felt completely knackered and irritable. Think I prolly did too much detoxing in a short space of time.

I can feel the need to chelate coming on now. All this stuff I’ve done recently has been wonderful but the mercury is still in there.

hi sunshine p. : I whole heartedly agree that keeping the detox pathways open with cleansings is the way to a more effective detox of the mercury , that last couple of days have been very rough from my last chelation round ,so will take a week or so to get back on my feet till next round , still have a week on my kidney cleanse ,then I can start my liver cleanses again ,its been about 2 and a half months since i have done one of those , , I also agree that doing everything possible in my own power to improve my health condition as quick as humanly possible is the way to go for me , my goal is to be in better health than before within 2 years , give or take a few months

My liver flush was a fairly tough on me. I am still recovering 1 week later. I will not be doing them very often. I don’t think I handle the grapefruit juice very well either. I have done 10 in 12 months and I will take a long break from them now. Maybe in 6 months I think about it again, but it heavy duty cleansing and ………. and for me they are bit too hardcore right now. I can see why Cutler frowns on them because it is stressful for the body.

Saying that, I’m real glad I did one, I do feel better from it, if a bit beaten up.

sorry you feel bad , grapefriut juice is supposed to be a liver phase 1 inducer and will not help with phase 2 ,this is why people with a slow phase 2 ,will have problems with citrus fruits , lemons ,grapefruite,and oranges

I wish you well Sunshine, sometimes taking a break can be just what we need. I hope everything keeps getting better for you.

Sunshine,It is great to log on here and read about all of your progress.You have worked so hard on recovering your health and are an inspiration to me.
When you are having rough day,try to remember how much stronger you have become, getting stronger every day
and it's great to read of your progress,it gives the rest of us hope too!
Seems like you are doing the right thing, giving your body a well deserved break & now you are stronger it will no doubt heal more quickly than any previous setbacks.

Oh yeah, I forgot to add, I’m juicing quite heavily at the moment. At least one meal per day is exclusively veg juice. Been doing that 2 weeks now. Today I did breakfast and lunch. I can’t handle fruit and I’m still mostly avoiding sulphur foods so the juice is exclusively made from carrots, celery, cucumber, parsnips, beetroot, ginger, parsley.
These make me feel pretty good….this is real megadosing vitamins! Even with all this juicing I still put on another 2 pounds in the last 10-12 days.

Hi Sunflower, thanks <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> Well, its only fair I repay some of the dept for the complaining posts I made last year. I had many miserable days and made some miserable posts about how I was struggling so badly. The support I received then will never be forgotten. Last year I really thought I’d never turn my health around, was a dark and wretched time that. Feels good to be making progress finally. It is only by waging all out war on my body that this turn around has happened. Hopefully you and others will follow in my footsteps. It’s important for people to realise that chelating is not the only thing you should do to get better.

Yes, I still get the rough days, but the better days are better and more frequent now. This week I have managed 10 girls press-ups each day. (girls press-ups are with knees down!) 3 months ago I could not manage even one girl press up my muscle weakness was so bad.

Currently I’m in the middle of a Great couple of days. Not too sure what is doing that specifically but I don’t care, all I care is I’m mending. I think this current good spell is due to the ACE I’m taking for my adrenals. I just got up to half my target dose of 100mg and I think (hope) this is why I’m feeling good right now.

I did round 6 last weekend, which was the first round after the 6 week break with all the mega detoxing. I’m at 6mg DMSA every 3 hours even waking at night, 3 days on 4 days off.

Started up with a nasty bout of depression. I don’t usually get that, so was a bit difficult coping with it, but I battled on and within 5 hours it had been and gone thankfully. At the time I wanted to quit my job, leave everything behind and just go somewhere quiet, hide away where no one would find me. But…it passed so all is well.

Rest of the round was the smoothest yet. Did have some heartburn, which was real strange. I was doing a 3 day juice fast and heartburn suddenly arrived out of the blue. Heartburn should not be able to happen when the only thing I’m drinking is vegetable juice. But again it was short lived and it passed quickly enough. Did get heart palpitations too…but again they passed quickly enough.

All in all the smoothest round to date. The color yellow was brighter for me on Tuesday <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

I am now officially 3 months post amalgam replacement so I can theoretically introduce ALA now, which is the real deal! This is the stuff that can pass the BBB and get the mercury off me brain.

But before I do that I will see if I can extend the round length. Do more than 3 days on.

Anyone know how long a round is ok? Like how many days?

Round 7 started last night and I’m feeling fine and dandy.

HI Sunshine,

In the book, Andy recommends one week on and one week off for DMSA. 50 - 100 mg. We know that for those just starting out, or those very very toxic, sometimes they have to start as low as 6 mg and may only cope with a couple of days or so.

If you are this far into chelation, you may wish to try it the way he suggested in the book and see what happens. A higher dose and a longer time. Maybe not too much of a jump at first. See what happens with a higher dose and a longer chelating period before using ALA. You might want to try 12 mg instead of 6 mg. But again, you seem still to be getting effects from this alone....you maybe 3 months post amalgam removal, but you may need to do more DMSA chelation regardless.

If you are still getting enough symptoms on this alone? You may not be ready for ALA. Still some people bring it onboard anyway. But I always feel that if DMSA is producing enough symptoms, then there is still more than enough mercury being chelated by it.

I used to do one week on, one week off (50 mg). It was very tough for me and often I had to stop. symptoms actually would start around the 3rd or 4th day often and they'd increase to by the end of the week I'd feel horrible. And then I'd have a week off again or more if needed to recover. Depends on whether you feel better on or off rounds too. Some hate going off chelation, they feel better when they take it. It went both ways for me, I never knew how I'd feel.

I did not know then that I could have lowered my dose and shortened the round to make things more tolerable. Andy has since recognised how important this is for many of us and one size does not fit all.

Round 7 – managed 4 days on. Very minor limited symptoms and zero symptoms after the round.

I am 3.5 months amalgam free now. I just completed round 8. 6mg DMSA every 3 hours, 3 days on 4 days off, even waking at night. My first few rounds where difficult, with plenty of symptoms and problems whilst I discovered I am a fast metaboliser and needed to increased the dosing frequency and lower the dose to 6mg. (I started at 12.5mg every 4 hours)

But the last 4 rounds have been easier and easier until I would say they are almost completely symptom free now, both on and off round. Which is obviously great news.

Also, I am feeling better and better as the weeks go by. Last week I had 2 days on the trot where I felt like a normal person. It’s been a long time since I could say that. But saying that, I still have a way to go, I still get bad days along with the good.

Q: what do I do next?

1) Add ALA? If so what dose? 3mg? 6mg?
2) Increase the DMSA dose to 8mg?
3) Do nothing…stay where I am at 6mg?

Usually I instinctively know what I should do next, but now…..i really don’t know what to do.
I want to just stay at 6mg because it’s easy and i'm in the groove.
I want to add ALA because I know I will have to sooner or later, but the thought of more pain and hassle figuring out the right dose…..i don’t need!
I want to increase the dmsa dose to increase the amount of mercury excreted…but again….potential pain

It’s a scary business this, I never want to go back to the bad old days ever ever again.

Congratulations on getting to where you are, well done.
I can't wait to have a full day when I feel "normal"
but I know I will get there and I feel grateful for the good moments.
Here's to many more good days.
May the force be with you always. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yoda.gif" alt="" />

Sunshine, just my opinion. Increase the DMSA dose. 6 mg is fine for starting off, but you would want to increase this before adding ALA. Because ALA is much more powerful in chelation than DMSA. If you cannot handle more than 6 mg at this point, I don't know if you'd handle ALA either...

That's what I would experiment with first before taking things further. I would try the 8 mg and if you do ok, you might want to try 10 etc. I would aim at getting yourself up to about 25 mg personally or even up to 50 if you can at some point. Then add ALA later as you handle higher doses of DMSA.

It's up to you of course, but that's how I would do it. It's great that you seem to be improving and it gets scary when you don't want to leave that point and push things further in case you ruin where you're at. But I don't think going up to 8 mg is too much. You can always try it and see how you go and if it gets too much? Just stop the round and have a break.

I donno what to do….. I’ll just sleep on it for now.

Increasing the DMSA dose is the most logical.
Cutler has said in the past to get on the ALA before the 6 month post-amalgam-removal dumping happens.

One things for sure….i’m loaded up with mercury and when the dump comes……yeah well…best not think about that really. I got important things happening this year and I need to be functioning.

Funny …those two days when I felt like a normal person….i was on holiday away from my normal life. Makes me sad that……means something in my home environment is toxic to me!

Oh well, at least I’m getting some good days now. Today was not really a good day, first day back in the office from hols.

Yeah, just sleep on it and see how you feel.

I can see Andy's point about the ALA, because he wants people to start chelating the organs before they start dumping...however if you still have a high body/blood load of mercury I still feel that ALA might be a bit risky. Personally I did great on DMSA sunshine and the detox from that was more than enough for me to tolerate.

I was on 50 mg of the stuff. You're not at 6 months yet, so you still have a couple of months to play around with the DMSA and adjusting / increasing dose if you wish.

Sorry you're feeling not so hot right now. There "maybe" something in your home yes, but when you're still toxic with mercury it doesn't take much to make you feel like cr*p. Plus there is always ups and downs no matter how many efforts you make. I always felt like I had a day or so of feeling almost normal and then wham, I felt like I was regressing again. It is part of healing, but not pleasant to tolerate.

As one lady said on a forum, your good days will start to increase and the bad days should start to decrease, but it takes time.

Well I slept on it and I feel like a sack o $hit again…..so I will stick at 6mg on the next round.

I can't imagine 6mgs of dmsa is doing much of anything.

If I were you I would find a doctor to do a few months of heavy duty IV chelation... the EDTA and DMPS goes straight into your blood stream and dissolves stuff and you pee it out... you go through about 3-4 weeks of feeling like a sack o $hit and then after that you are pretty much on your way with many more good days than bad. After that you can do easily do DMSA at high doses when needed but the rounds... just from a mental state it's a chore and can't possibly be helping there because you need to sleep and eat normally and focus on work in the morn, not chelating, which zaps your body of energy, no matter which form of it you do. With the exception of cilantro which always makes me feel great and energetic.

On top of everything else you can expect headaches from using only DMSA.

Get the IV chelation and you will probably never even experience a 'post 6 month dump'. Do the IV and simply just get it over with.

I assure you 6mg dmsa is plenty enough for me right now. That’s 48mg per day for 3 days…so just about 150mg over 3 days. 150mg per week.

I’d rather walk blindfolded across the motorway than take the chance with heavy Duty IV chelation.

After all the nightmare I have been putting up with for the last 12 months, all the reactions from minor doses……..that sos is a really idea

And I don’t get any headaches from dmsa…..i get angry

hi sunshine p. your very wise to stay at your current dose , don't make the mistake I made by increasing your dose too quick , I 'm still paying for it , it has been almost a month now since my crash and am feeling a little better but still feel pretty bad most of the time , if I start chelation again I will be using a 10 mg dose of dmsa only , I think that when I added the ala it was just too much for my system to handle and was only at 25 mg of each , I know that some people in this forum don't think that dmsa by itself will remove brain mercury but I have read many articles that dispute that , and say that it does , if dmps removes brain mercury why shouldn't dmsa

Thanks Mikey. I’m having a rough day. Its not too bad, just…feeling ANGRY.

I’ve had 3 great rounds and now I guess its time for a rough round. Which means I gonna stay at 6mg for a while longer.

It will pass, and then I will back to me normal friendly self, but until then hell this is annoying

I never crashed once during IV chelation. Just got better all the time. I am sorry to hear you feel that way about it Sunshine. Probably there are a few rare people who have experienced problems with it but the large majority have done quite well with it, myself included.

well, expect several months of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/censored.gif" alt="" />feeling like you got run over by a truck on the <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/censored.gif" alt="" /> highway then. Because no matter which method you use, it feels the same pretty much. One is just egads quicker than the other.

You will eventually get better somehow or another I guess.

if you are taking 150 mgs of dmsa per week, you are lucky if you are actually absorbing half of that amount.

Chelation hurts like heck the first few to several weeks I know that for sure. Glad I didn't have to put up with months of it.

was a tad expensive, the IV, though. I guess more cost effective in the long run since I was feeling almost back to normal by early summer. saved me the pain and strain of finding other ways to cope.

Even when I was real sick though, I always felt terrible the day of IV chelation but marvelous the next. And i am not having to suffer all these longterm downswings like people using dmsa here either sooo... whatever.

I met a good few dozen people going through IV chelation at my doctors' office. They all raved about it. The EDTA IV does more than just chelate, it actually opens up your arteries and capillaries so your bloodflow works better. There were a good number of older people there who avoided surgery, angioplasties and bypasses by using it instead for heart problems and stuff after suffering a stroke or congestive heart failure . I would definitely do it again... I may go in for more downline at some point just to keep my blood running good and clean, depends on the budget.

Mercury does make you feel angry while chelating btw. I did experience that a few times. Mercury rage... weird stuff.

it stops eventually. I recall it being worst the first couple months of chelation, just a day here and there of that.

Then definitely stick with 6 mg. There is no point whatsoever in pushing the dose to complete intolerance, because all that achieves is backfire and having to take ages to recover, which then wastes a lot of time in the process.

I did that too many times and mucked myself up and had to recover, when all along I could have been chelating at nice frequent low doses and getting just enough detox to tolerate, but not enough to become an invalid.

One DMSA capsule of 50 mg (just one in isolation) could throw me into insanity almost. Up all night with redistribution symptoms and often screaming.

Yet, one 50 mg DMSA taken every 4 hours did not do that to me. It kept things more stable and enabled me to use much more DMSA in the process, chelate a lot more and alot faster at the sametime.

that's what the frequent dose protocol did for me. So no matter what dose you use? If you're like me? The method of taking it is even more important, than dose. Though in hindsight, 50 mg was still too much for me. I really did feel horrible, but at least I wasn't complete mental institution material. I was sick though, the detox type of sick and I believe I still pushed it too far. I did one week of 50 mg and that I believe was too much and I don't think it is good to keep the body going for that long on DMSA either. I think 3 days on is probably more than enough. I do believe too that it does lower minerals in the system as well, and the body does need to recuperate.

I did better on 25 mg later on when I tried it again when re-exposed to mercury and felt better pretty quickly.

It just depends on how toxic you are, how long you've been toxic and how sensitive, and of course your own natural biochemistry. As to what kind of method you can handle with getting this poison out of you.

Hal Huggins even says that there is no point in detoxing yourself into an invalid in the process, it is not necessary, it is not safe, nor is it helpful.

I could handle far more when I still had amalgams, than I could when they were all removed. I do not know why this was, but like sosick, I was having garlic, and all sorts of stuff and it was fine. In fact, I think it even helped me. Once the amalgams were completely removed? They were a nightmare for me.

Things can change. You just have to go with whatever suits you. I tried many things to get the stuff out of me, I just wanted it OUT. But as I said, cutler's was really the only one I barely tolerated in the end, I just didn't like the every 4 hour routine, so I tried to do other things as well, but kept getting too wounded by it and going back to his.

Anger is very much a symptom and it is also a symptom of metals being eliminated. I have two holes in my bedroom door and walls from the rage mercury caused me. Thankfully they were walls on not my poor old Dad!

Hang in there sunshine, it's never an uphill ascending towards health, it's continual ups and downs. The only way this stuff comes out unfortunately seems to be roller coaster rides.

Thanks for putting up with me, I’ll be back to normal soon enough <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" />

Thanks the support

Hey Sunshine:

And I thought it was just me when I'd get like that. I found myself a couple times yelling at the walls, just kind of mad about how stupid this whole mercury poisoning thing is. I usually will not show anger in public. Right or wrong, I seem to get more mad when I am sitting alone wondering how my life ever happened like this. Don't get me wrong, most of the time I am happy despite it all. Which is funny because mercury has wrecked my life -I have to rebuild it from scratch, 'cause there ain't much left.

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I think Bex said it is the mercury, and I believe it is too - from being mobilized by dmsa. Or it might be adrenal strain. But funny thing is I rarely got mad over anything most of my life, but the last years of being sick and trying to chelate while living your life, that anger can just spill out of you.

Consolation is that when you stop chelating, it will probably not be there. At least for me, I notice that it has pretty much gone away.

Hope you feel better soon...

TW

No problem Sunshine, I've been there. I'm thankful that I held back from ever attacking my father through those mercury rages. It was extreme. I wouldn't wish it on anybody. Most unlike my real self.

This is why I really don't want to enter a dental office again, I am so badly sick from my last visit, I am just shocked. I can actually FEEL it too. My body is trying very hard to cope and get it out, but it's not happening too well. I can almost taste the metal, I sometimes weep a bit as it's trying to come out, but my body being what it is now, doesn't do the job.

I struggled just to have a bath, I can barely cope with that. Pathetic eh? I cannot even do five minutes of walking on a treadmill. So yes exposure to mercury in any form to people already vulnerable is quite a nightmare to say the least.

Hi Sunshine, I'm sorry to hear things are rough right now. I was wondering how you were doing and then had a look at this thread. I haven't talked here much myself lately because I'm struggling too, I was crying off and on all day yesterday. On top of it, despite the fact that I only teach a part-time timetable, I've been putting in full-time hours lately and have been up til midnight the past couple of nights, planning lessons and marking. It's making me wonder if I'm in the right career, because if I were teaching full time there's no way I'd be able to do the job. I keep asking myself what's going wrong and where I'm wasting my time, but I can't see it.

At least we're all here to support each other, and we know what this illness is like. When you're down, it's hell, but it doesn't last thankfully. Let us know when things settle for you and remember you are not alone.

Linda Lou and Sunshine,
does the full moon have anything to do with it?
I think there was a full moon over Ireland last night and I had a really dodgy evening too.
I don't know about these things but Uk & Ireland right beside each other , same full moon?

Its my fault. I funked up the last round. I missed my second dose. First dose was 9pm, second dose at midnight was missed ‘cause the alarm didn’t go off. The 3am alarm woke me and I thought (in my sleepy head) it would be ok because I’d only been on round for 3 hours, I missed 3 hours…so I thought it would be ok to just continue the round. Also I’d been feeling pretty good recently….so I got a bit cocky and just popped the next cap in.

I thought I’d got away with it because nothing bad happened, and I (somehow?) forgot all about missing that first dose. My memory plays strange tricks with me these days, nothing big…just tricks. I forgot my pin number yesterday too from my cash card? Was a most strange feeling not remembering my pin…”eh?”

Interestingly ….. my temps dumped down to 96.2 when I was feeling real bad. But now back in my normal range 97.5.

Lower back pain is back…..’mare
Feel tired and drained and a bit spacy, tingly, vision is slightly blurred……..’mare
Anger has calmed now, although I feel it bubbling away quietly in the background. The anger is not new, but usually I hide away and keep it in check.

Did a castor oil pack last night watching a film, wow they are great….really calmed me down. Very soothing. Highly recommended castor oil packs. Gonna do more tonight.

Wish I could blame the full moon, but was not completely full last night, almost but not quite. i do wonder about that sometimes but i don't know D squat about moons and all that. All this stuff is defo mercury redistribution ‘cause I screwed up the round. Hopefully will pass soon.

Its another painful mercury lesson for me. Cutler words yet again are absolutely spot on. Don’t deviate from the protocol!

Don’t know what I’d do without all my friends here. Life would be unbearable. Thanks for your understanding. I promise not to lose my temper until the next time <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/looney.gif" alt="" />

glad to see that you like the castor oil packs , some say that you can reuse them for about 30 times ,but I would recommend that you replace them at about 10 times ,so they don't have a chance to get rancid , and also huggins uses a very low dose for chelation only 25 mg every other day ,he says that detoxafication is retoxification , listen to your body it is always right and will let you know if you have pushed the boundries

Sunshine, I have done this more than once. It also proved to me that Cutler knew exacty what he was talking about. I missed a dose and decided I'd risk it and take it anyway (which was probably 6 hours after my last dose).

What happened was horrible. I redistributed the metals straight into the gut and wound up with alot of pain and suffering and worse candida.

another time it happened, like yourself I could not remember if I had taken one or not and I woke up disorientated and must have forgotten, so the next time I woke up, I took a dose. Wow, what a reaction. It knocked me for a six.

It happened to a friend of mine as well that was using cutler's protocol (after being messed up by a doctor/specialist with cilantro and ALA). He was doing ok on the oral DMPS (because DMSA didn't suit him) and using it every 6 hours I bleieve. He missed a dose and took a later one regardless and wound up a mess.

Plenty of people have done it and more than once. It's easy to do, but not easy to forget <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Mercury is not something you can mess around with. For just about any other metal, you can chelate anyway you wish. But not with mercury.

So yes, Andy is spot on!

Funked up my round again! ahhhhhhhhhhh! Missed a dose! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! For some reason I did not take the midnight dose! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh! But I took the 3am dose! Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

After last weeks adventures………I got up and stuck my fingers down my throat! I got the cap out…..but was unpleasant…..

I’d rather have 20 mins unpleasantness, than 1 weeks hell (which I what happened last time.)

I will not mess with the protocol again, last weeks lesson has been learnt.

After that I stopped the round, was on-round for 2 days, and nothing bad happened….the round just finished 1 day early.

Still at 6mg DMSA only….gonna stay there for now…..

All this hassle reminds me how unpleasant it is, so no more rocking the boat, I will stay at 6mg every 3 hours for the time being.

Round 10 completed now. 6mg DMSA every 3 hours, even waking at night. 3.5 days on 3.5 days off. That’s a total of 168mg of DMSA over the 3.5 days on round.

I defo feel better on round. Was very smooth with very few symptoms. I’m in the zone so the waking at night twice to take the cap is not a problem. It’s not great but I go straight back to sleep with no problem.

Did feel shitty on the day after in finished the round, which was obviously a little bit of redistribution action.

I was thinking of adding some ALA, but I’m glad I have not yet….i guess I will know when I’m ready for ALA and at the moment I don’t feel ready. Need to get a few more rounds under my belt with only minor symptoms.

I am 4 months amalgam free and prolly got 20 months chelation every week to go. Another 70-100 rounds…….bugger<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Hey Sunshine
Glad you got through the round ok this time.Gives me hope for when I get started. I am still doing the colan cleanse and today I feel really crappy. Started it last week but flubbed it up so I am back at it . Seems like it's doing what it is suppose to though. Finally got the hang of it. Anyways I am glad you made it through it better this time. Good Luck on Next Round.
Rachel

Oh u changed your picture to the one on yr blog….cool.

I’m still doing the bowel cleanse. I have a blinding headache, which is unusual for me. I think it’s the ACE which I doubled my dosage yesterday….i will reduce again tomorrow

Early to bed for me, g’night

Hi there
Yes I changed the pic just because I put a link from the myspace site to this forum. Just thought it was fitting for anyone coming onto the forum to know that I am on here. Have you started next round yet? Oh stopped the bowel cleanse got rough for me. I won't go into detail cause I posted it on another thread ...you will see it.

Round 11.

6mg Dmsa every 3 hours, 3 days on round, 4 days recovery time!

I’m in the groove now, chelating every weekend. I can only handle 3-4 days on round then I start feeling it….so 3 days on, 4 days off suits me fine.

Each round is different, causing different symptoms and reactions…..

This round was a little bit like been on speed. Very racy and speeded up for the first 24 hours. Also had metal taste in my mouth. Also for the first time I had real loud ringing and whoshing in my ears all round..tinnitiitsishs or whatever its called. And strange bells ringing and jingly jangling too….all rather strange really…

But the reward was excellent. Got more colors coming back! happy dayz! I kind of plateaud out and had no change for the last 4-5 rounds on the colors…but blue and yellow coming in bright and clear yesterday…..make me sure this is the right thing for me to do.

Also….i’m doing a 1 month bowel cleanse. I’m about 7-10 days in now and I have more of that Black Gunk coming out. Mucoid plaque again. Lots of little black bits and some long rubbery strands to. Green this time not black. I will spare you the pics, but they are just like last time! How much of this gunk have I got in me????? whatever…I always feel better when this stuff comes out of me.

Farmer Giles is also paying me a visit which is always a pain in butt<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

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Oh, I haven’t updated this for ages……..

6mg DMSA every 3 hours, 3 days on 4 days off

Round 10.
Pretty smooth round. Bit of a shity day after round finished but overall a very smooth round. No need to increase dose.

Round 11.
Felt a bit jittery and hyped up on the first day. Colors coming back. Overall a "speedy" round but fine. Mild redistrebution at end.

Round 12.
Good round although have a mild sore throat and feel tired. Got colors coming back, but maybe I should just say everything looks sharper…more in focus. I'm in the groove doing rounds every weekend. Still doing the bowel cleanse and feeling pretty good overall. I am a happier person now.

Round 13.
I skipped a weekends chelation because I had a mild cold. Was minor, but was the first cold I had had for 8-9 months. Day one….felt completely normal. Day two short tempered, irritable. Tingly especially face and hands, most noticable when using the computer but also watching TV. Mobile phone ran out of batteries in the night, so missed a dose and stopped the round after 2 days on round. Nothing bad happened after round...everything was normal....except the tingling continues.

Round 14.
Started Wednesday evening. Going to see if I can extend the round. 4 days is cool, 5 days would be perfect. Feel i need a longer time to recover. 1 week recovery would be good. First day was very tingly. Started to feel it after 2.5 hours…made me think of decreasing the dose timing. Too early for that though….prolly just usual chelation rollercoaster symptoms. 4th day was a nightmare. Mercury attack big time. Brain fog, muscle weakness, the works. Something somewhere did not like that. Was a zombie for 36 hours, then another couple of days to recover. Was back to normal 5 days later...but extreme caution will be used next time. Not sure of this is the 6 month dump starting....in hindsight i think it was just too long on round. 3 days on is what suits me.

Round 15. (today 20th april)
Skipped a couple of weeks, firstly to recover from the last difficult round and the mild cold I had. 2nd weekend skipped because I wanted to test out going no supplement. This round will be my last until after the next round of Humaworm. So far, so good…nice smooth round….easy peasy lemon squeezy.

Time fly’s when your having fun. I am 5.5 months amalgam free. I'm happy with the Cutler protocol, suits me just fine<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/byebye.gif" alt="" />