News you won't see in controlled mainstream media.

de·lu·sion –noun
1.
[color:"white"]...[/color] a. The act or process of deluding.
[color:"white"]...[/color] b. The state of being deluded.
2. A false belief or opinion: labored under the delusion that success was at hand.
3. Psychiatry A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness: delusions of persecution.
(American Heritage Dictionary 2007)

actually, the founding fathers of america, who were by and large God fearing and believing, ... They were Christians.

... Catholic church or Chrurch of England ...

... was not so distant a memory for them. It is what drove the Puritans to cross the sea and settle here in the wilderness.

... that they felt the need to put it in writing. If God were a small matter to them they would not have needed to mention His authority redundantly with praise.

Here's the Declaration of Independence, penned by Thomas Jefferson himself :
why don't you read it?

" ... to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, ... "

... that they felt the need to put it in writing. If God were a small matter to them they would not have needed to mention His authority redundantly with praise.

I know the Catholic church and church of England were two separate entities that's why I mentioned them as two separate entities, bonehead.

... the Catholic church or Chrurch of England was not so distant a memory for them. It is what drove the Puritans to cross the sea and settle here in the wilderness. They were being killed by the thousands by the church/govt of England.

Religion: Deist (although he has long been considered a deist, Thomas Jefferson has been known to hold multiple religious views)

During the presidential campaign of 1800, the Federalists attacked Jefferson as an infidel, claiming that Jefferson's intoxication with the religious and political extremism of the French Revolution disqualified him from public office. But Jefferson wrote at length on religion and many scholars agree with the claim that Jefferson was a deist, a common position held by intellectuals in the late 18th century, at least for much of his life. As Avery Dulles, a leading Catholic theologian reports, "In his college years at William and Mary [Jefferson] came to admire Francis Bacon, Isaac Newton, and John Locke as three great paragons of wisdom. Under the influence of several professors he converted to the deist philosophy."[42].

Jefferson used deist terminology in repeatedly stating his belief in a creator, and in the United States Declaration of Independence used the terms "Creator" and "Nature's God." Jefferson believed, furthermore, it was this Creator that endowed humanity with a number of inalienable rights, such as "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Founding Fathers who were especially noted for being influenced by such philosophy include Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Cornelius Harnett, Gouverneur Morris, and Hugh Williamson. Although these men were members of traditional Christian denominations (Hugh Williamson and Benjamin Franklin were Presbyterians and the rest were Episcopalians), their political speeches show distinct deistic influence. Other notable Founding Fathers may have been more directly deist. These include James Madison, John Adams, possibly Alexander Hamilton, Ethan Allen[32] and Thomas Paine (who published The Age of Reason, a treatise that helped to popularize deism throughout America and Europe).

Further, Jefferson specifically named Joseph Priestly (English Unitarian who moved to America) and Conyers Middleton (English Deist) and said: "I rest on them ... as the basis of my own faith" (letter to Adams, Aug. 22, 1813). Therefore, without using the actual words, Jefferson issued an authentic statement claiming Deism as his faith.

Meanwhile, what do you think of the Christian terrorist training camps? Fred Phelps? David Koresh? etc etc etc. - - - don't you agree that these are dangerously deluded people that actually harm the christian faith?

Concerning 'extremist militant terrorist christian groups' such as David Koresh, I cannot defend David Koresh. No one can. No one does, even those who knew him have difficulty with it. I was not however, aware that he was an ' extremist militant terrorist christian group' .

... since the people you are discussing threatened no one, I find it odd you would call them terrorists.
Fred Phelps has some issues but he is hardly a terrorist either.

RAZD message 248562 (refering to the camp videos):
These people are not harmless, but dangerous extremist militant religious fanatics that are no different from the muslim religious fanatics or the protestant\catholic religious fanatics.

RAZD message 248576:
Meanwhile, what do you think of the Christian terrorist training camps? Fred Phelps? David Koresh? etc etc etc. - - - don't you agree that these are dangerously deluded people that actually harm the christian faith?

RAZD message 248578:
So don't you think that extremist militant terrorist christian groups in this country should be considered a problem for society as a whole, including christians that don't condone terrorism? Don't you think they are deluded?

RAZD message 248591:
Don't you agree that dangerously deluded people are a threat to society? Do you agree that these people qualify?Normal people don't stock-pile machine guns and other arms and ammo sufficient to take on a small army. Fanatics do.

your hatred of Christians and labeling of these two groups as terrorists...

Meanwhile, what do you think of the Christian terrorist training camps? Fred Phelps? David Koresh? etc etc etc. - - - don't you agree that these are dangerously deluded people that actually harm the christian faith?

So don't you think that extremist militant terrorist christian groups in this country should be considered a problem for society as a whole, including christians that don't condone terrorism? Don't you think they are deluded?

please, the world is waiting to know about the christian terrorist camps. so, who are they, where?

excuse me, but are these not your words from posts directly above?

The fact that you can point to a few christian whackos does not nothing to hide the fact of dozens of non-christian others.

I didnlt finish because the anti-christian sentiment is obnoxious and full of paranoia and mockery about Christianity.

Does it bother you that they call themselves the army of God, is that it?

If you think 7 year olds are ready to make all their own choices, hand your child the keys to your car.

I thought Becky the camp lady was right on btw.

cult

A delusion held by one person is a mental illness, held by a few is a cult, held by many is a religion. --(source unknown to me)

The term 'cult' expresses disparagement and is usually used to refer to unconventional religious groups, though the term is sometimes used to refer to non-religious groups which appear to share significant features with religious cults. For example, there are some who refer to Amway and Landmark Forum as cults, but I think the term is best reserved for groups such as Scientology, the Order of the Solar Temple (74 suicides in 1984), Heaven's Gate (39 suicides in 1997), the Raëlians, the Urantians, the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's Transcendental Meditation program, the followers of Sathya Sai Baba or Prem Rawat, and the group that followed the Rev. Jim Jones to Guyana where more than 900 joined in a mass murder/suicide ritual in 1978.

Three ideas seem essential to the concept of a cult. One is thinking in terms of us versus them with total alienation from "them." The second is the intense, though often subtle, indoctrination techniques used to recruit and hold members. The third is the charismatic cult leader. Cultism usually involves some sort of belief that outside the cult all is evil and threatening; inside the cult is the special path to salvation through the cult leader and his teachings. The indoctrination techniques include

1) Subjection to stress and fatigue
2) Social disruption, isolation and pressure
3) Self criticism and humiliation
4) Fear, anxiety, and paranoia
5) Control of information
6) Escalating commitment
7) Use of auto-hypnosis to induce "peak" experiences
[Kevin Crawley]

Of course, there is a positive side to cults. One gets love, a sense of belonging, of fulfilling a special purpose, of being protected, of being free from the evils of the world, of being on the path to eternal salvation, of having power. If the cult did not satisfy needs that life outside the cult failed to satisfy, cults would probably not exist.

One common misconception about cults is that their members are either insane or brainwashed. The evidence for this is insubstantial. It consists mainly of the subjective feeling that no one in their right mind could possibly choose to believe the things that cult members believe. For example, the 39 members of the Heaven's Gate cult believed a space ship was coming to get them to take them to a "higher level." They believed that their leader, Marshall Applewhite (a.k.a. Do), was Christ coming to take the chosen few to a better life somewhere in outer space, perhaps to work on a starship like the Enterprise one sees in movies and on television. They believed they would be given new bodies in the new world, asexual bodies with no hair or teeth, but vestigial eyes and ears (not those gross bug eyes one sees in so many alien pictures). To many people, these beliefs sound like the delusions of lunatics and it seems inconceivable that anyone in his or her right mind would accept such beliefs.

Examined closely, however, the beliefs of Heaven's Gate or Scientology are no stranger than the beliefs that billions of "normal" people hold dear in their sacred religions: heaven and hell, angels, Satan, crucified gods, resurrections, reincarnation, messiahs, trinities, transubstantiation, and so on. As has been noted by others: The delusions of one person is insanity, delusions by a few a cult, and by many a religion.

It is true that the cult leader or religious founder often shows signs of brain disease, such as hearing voices or having delusions of grandeur. But the followers need not be mad. Some are undoubtedly deranged, but most probably are not. The cult leader must be extremely attractive to those who convert. He or she must satisfy a fundamental need, most likely the need to have someone you can totally trust, depend on and believe in: someone who can give sense and direction to your life; provide you with purpose and meaning. But above all, life with the messiah and the other cult members must satisfy some fundamental need. Some studies have found that a significant number of cult members are depressed before joining, and the cult lifts their spirits, makes them feel much better. Even if they aren't depressed, cult membership must be more satisfying than life in the real world with one's real family.

Cult members are certainly deluded and manipulated. Severe control tactics may be used to keep them in the flock, like cutting them off from the rest of the world, especially from their family and friends, communally reinforcing the cult's dogmas, and inculcating paranoia. Isolation, communal reinforcement, and the inculcation of paranoia as control tactics are used by some parents over their children, some political leaders over their citizens, and even some therapists over their patients. So, cults are not unique in attempting to control people using these tactics. And one should not overlook the possibility that one's loved one truly believes in what he or she is doing, and that the ones left behind simply do not see the truth.

Cult members may gradually become paranoid and be led to believe that the government, their family, and former friends can't be trusted. They may gradually become more isolated and militant. They may even begin to stockpile weapons for the coming Armageddon. They may turn themselves over completely to their savior and be willing to kill or die for him or her. This is not to say that they are leading meaningful lives, but they are not necessarily lunatics, morons, or zombies.

I hope so, because you will have to endure it just like Christians endure things like evolution.

Ah, it's nice having an open mind eh SoSick?

Just out of curiousity... why do you seem to have so much hatred

You have a problem RAZD. Your hatred of anything Christian is making you quite an extremist.

I bet you would love to teach zen buddhism or deism to any of the kids in those videos in a heartbeat wouldn't you?

You are nothing but a self-righteous arrogant little piece of dirt.

you know what's really weord that I have never been able to figure out? Every athiest I have ever met, they are real superstitious.

Maybe someday you'll be a parent ...

Fred Phelps has issues i already said that. I think you are confused.

Every athiest I have ever met, they are real superstitious.

Every non-christian loves to hate christianity in some form or another.

Far as i can tell, you are the most deluded character i've run into in quite some time.

de·lu·sion –noun
1.
[color:"white"]...[/color] a. The act or process of deluding.
[color:"white"]...[/color] b. The state of being deluded.
2. A false belief or opinion: labored under the delusion that success was at hand.
3. Psychiatry A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness: delusions of persecution.
(American Heritage Dictionary 2007)

Please direct me to where RAZD has said he is an atheist.