News you won't see in controlled mainstream media.

The breaking down of bio-mass over millions of years into crude oil. Is what science has been claiming since old earth and evolution hit the scene. But was this claim ever tested? Was the conditions ever duplicated that the oil was found in to see of the break down process really took that long?

No, it never was.

So the claim that this happened was soley based on:

1) Needing evidence to support old earth, which would give the time-line for how evolution could work. Showing that life existed on earth 100s millions of years ago.

2) Needing evidence for a non-God based origins of life. One where it could never be questioned because "time" would always be the excuse for all evidence or processes that cannot be observed. Claims can be made, and when the process is asked about. The excuse that it takes to much time can be used so that this process is "never" seen. And the excuse can never be questioned.

Example:
Question: Where is the observable process for millions of years of claimed evolution?
Answer: It takes to much time to observe.
Question: Where is the observable process for millions of years of claimed break down of bio-mass to make oil?
Answer: It takes to much time to observe.

So time becomes the old earthers and evolutionists excuse for all unobservable processes.

But what if one process claim has been clearly debunked?

I guess this is to much for any evolutionist to debunk. O well.

So you put up a thread and when you don't get an immediate reply, you complain not just here but elsewhere? Nice.

Here is an accessible article about the oil formed by hydrothermal processes in Guaymas Basin. Of note:



Now all you need to do is prove that all of the oil reserves in the world were formed by this very process -- that it was all the result of hydrothermal vent activity. You will need to explain how other known processes of oil formation are impossible.

It's sort of like claiming that because catastroiphic flooding occurs in some places in the world at different points in time, therefore we must conclude that there must have been a global catastrophic flood. See the fault in the logic?

Can you show us how all the oil in the world formed only through the hydrothermal process discovered in Guaymas Bay? You did say you were very keen to present more evidence here.

The math of how quick oil is made:

1) 50 atmospheres. 1 atmosphere is 14.7 psi.
2) Between 400-500 degrees F.
3) Bio-mass. Plants or dead animals.

Has this been tested?

A company named Changing World Technologies is already applying this process and is producing bio-diesel.
http://www.changingworldtech.com/what/index.asp

Currently they use chicken parts (what is normally thrown away), which means that waste is turned into energy. And provides another way for farmers to make money.

When is the process to start?

It has already started. http://www.changingworldtech.com/when/index.asp

How would this conditions be produced naturally to make quick oil?

In order for the earth to be flooded to it's highest point. In the least there had to be 14 miles of water. This is a measure from the bottom of the ocean to the highest mountain.

Math of the water needed for flood:

The Radius of the Earth = 3963 miles
The Radius of the earth with 5 miles of water = 3968 Miles.
The volume of the earth = 260711882973.3396 cubic miles
The volume of the earth with water = 261699925947.5533 cubic miles.
261699925947.5533 - 260711882973.3396 = 988042974.2136999965
So the volume of the flood water = 988,042,974.2136999965 cubic miles. But lets round it to 988,042,974 Cubic Miles.
If this water was put into a sphere, it would have a radius of 618 Miles.
Reference: http://geocities.com/arikayx/mathofflood.html

This much water would produce very high pressures. The math of this is:

1) Every 33 feet equals one atmosphere (13-14 miles of water). There are 5,280 feet in a mile.
2) One atmosphere is 14.7 psi.
3) Heat source is upper mantle of the earth's crust.
4) Heat needed is 400-500 degrees F.

Current conditions:

1) Crude oil found today averages in heat at around 400 degrees F.
2) Crude oil found today has pressures between 5000-20,000 plus psi

Where did the water come from for the flood to make such pressures?

There has been testing and research done on the upper mantle of the earth. A mineral called wadsleyite, holds about 3% water by weight. And the estimated amount of wadsleyite that exists, the water contained in it works out to be about 30 of our oceans. 30 oceans worth of water is more than enough to flood the earth to the highest mountain.

http://www.ldolphin.org/deepwaters.html

Very cool!!! I don't understand the science of it other than basics, but wonder if the original misting the Bible speaks of originally (in Genesis - can find it) could have led to that much build up somehow.

Just to keep you in form ikester7579 ....

No, it was just too hilarious the first time.

The basic fallacy is that science claims that the oil made from old plant material normally occurred over long periods of time, due to the process involved, not that long periods of time was necessary for oil to form.

All you need is a different process.

What do we have on your video? A different process.

Therefore making oil quickly does not invalidate the evidence that the oil made from old plant material normally occurred over long periods of time, due to the process involved.

There is nothing to "debunk" except the logical fallacies where (1) the results of one process were equivocated with the results of another process and (2) the false straw man that science claims (all) oil (always) takes millions of years to form.

Science in fact is looking (hard) for ways to make oil, as there is a lot of money to be made were this to be accomplished .... without using more energy than the synthetic oil produces (one of the problems with corn ethanol).

One of the successes is synthetic oil used for lubricating motors now: it is better than the "natural" oil. Have you tried synthetic oil in your vehicle ikester?

Enjoy.

So all that bunk about oil taking millions of years to form is shown to be... bunk. Just like coal, petrified wood, opals, flowstone, & who knows what else.

And man-made opals are a direct result of a man rejecting evolutionism, and doing a little science. It's been said that's impossible, or an oxymoron, but the results say otherwise.

Yep, and that is why they get so mad when I do this. There are several things claimed in science that have never been tested in a lab to be sure. And some can never be tested because of the time factor. Which in my opinion is a cop out. And some of them are:

1) Oil taking millions of years to form (wich I prove wrong here).
2) Annual rings in ice cores actually being annual.
3) The petrification process.
4) Coal formation (another thread).
5) Millions of years of claimed macro evolution.
etc...

But they will stick their heads in the sand and say: It's a different process. Well the first "claimed" process has not even been proven. This one has. And the evidence cannot be debunked.

Hi again ikester7579, thanks for the reply.

Actually I get amused that you prove a false statement to be false. The fact that you think you also prove valid statements to be false is the hilarious part.

Some oil is millions of years old (according to scientists)
Some oil is recently manufactured (according to scientists)
Recently manufactured oil is not old (by definition)
Therefore some oil does not take millions of years to form

All true.

Therefore no oil takes millions of years to form.

Sadly, a false conclusion, it does not follow from the precepts.

Enjoy.

RAZD, your face poking in and out gives me a headache : ) Anyone have a scientific explanation for that?

**ROFL**

: )

Jeannie, sorry it disturbs you. If you just hit your escape key after the thread has loaded it will freeze (in most browsers).

Enjoy.

Oh thank you RAZD. I meant it in jest, but it really does seem to give me a headache....although entertaining. Thanks for responding! Jeanie

It worked!!

It's a funny avator, but yeah it's distracting. You feel like clobbering him over the head just to knock him out whilst you read a post. Thanks for the tip, the escape key works well. He's now frozen still with his head stuck out the window ;-)