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Hello all,
My 27yr old brother has been toxified with mercury about a month ago. No one was able to diagnose till I purchased a hair mineral test and it showed elevated levels of iodine(5times the normal rate). Also showed high levels of aluminum, tin, titanium. I had doctor specialist read his hair test results and have came back with a diagnosis of severe metal toxicity with trace mineral derangment. He also called it toxic encephalopathy.
My brother has 8-10 amalgam silver filings. We haven't removed them yet...looking to do it as soon as he feels a little better.

Then the doctor recommended that he take a Chelorex formula(natural chelation not synthetic), Chlorella, Cilanto, apple pectin, Alpha Lipoic Acid, and (1) Nac 600mg at night. Things were not getting better actually worst...MY brother ended up in a physchiatric hospital when the ambulance picked him up.
I spoke to the doctor and told him what happened. He told me to purchase OSR by Boyd Haley from him and give my brother 1 pill every night with Cod Liver Oil and keep taking the rest of the stuff. After 4 days on OSR he was back to normal. We were so happy!!!
After 3 weeks all his symptoms started coming back, brain fog, confusion, sleepless nights, hallucinations. I called the doctor again and he suggested that we keep giving him everything plus melatonin at night before sleep to help him fall asleep. It's been only 3 days since then but he's not sleeping well. Maybe a few hrs every night. He was feeling okay last night actually but then I took him to a sauna at night and when we came home everything started up again.
I also gave him BIO-CHELAT and LIVERLIFE on my own for the past 4-5 days so I'm not sure what's helping him and what's not.
Today I went to purchase GABA and Vitamin E + selenium because I saw the suggestions on this site.

So all together, this is what he takes right now...

Chlorella, Cilantro, Apple Pectin, AlphaLipoicAcid, OSR, Chelorex, Cod Liver Oil, NAC, LiverLife, Bio Chelat(low edta solution), MElatonin

(Purchased today GABA,Vitamin E+selenium).

I also purchased some GLutatione in Liquid form and CLay baths...have not received it yet.

Please help me out over here...I hope I'm not making it worst for him. I can work, eat, sleep. All I think is about my brother getting better...I see him struggling

THANK YOU

You need to keep giving him the pectin first of all, that will help remove it via the bowels from the fiber. I eat Apples everyday so I get that and take Garlic too (1/4 of a clove right now). Chlorella is okay if he can handle it, make sure it's a good brand and clean itself, some contain even more metals.

ALA read what others have posted in here to get an idea on that, I have no clue about it nor will get into it because it's not my expertise.

I recommend you read up on it more and just go about it safely, get him minerals before you do it and ALWAYS MAKE SURE when doing a DETOX that you use kidney supporting herbs too (Most in here will tell you Kidneys hurt when doing these things). I want to find out more about Kidney detoxing herbs while doing this because I read if your kidneys are not working well it just will go out some in your skin and hair.


I am going to try to help you out as much as I can, I know others will be in here soon and mention Cutler this and that but you have to research some on your own to and see whats best for you or him.

Never give ALA to someone who still has mercury fillings or who recently had mercury fillings removed. Doing so might cause some mercury to be excreted, but also maight cause some mercury to migrate into the the brain.

ALA needs to be used in a controlled manner with a low dosage given every 3 hours(for 3 or more days see the threads here on chelation) and only for someone who has had their mercury fillings replaced at least two or 3 months ago.

This web page gives plenty of information and mentions supplements such as B vitamins, vitamin c, creatine, magnesium malate, zinc picolinate, etc. that can be very helpful and can be taken immediately.



Cilantro should be avoided since its effects are unpredictable.
Oral EDTA might cause mineral deficiencies and make him worse.

http://www.flcv.com/cfsfm.html

I felt very sick taking ALA without DMSA. With DMSA the side effects are much less. Don't even think about DMSA or ALA until a month after the amalgams were replaced, then DMSA can be started. Around a month pr so after that, one could start taking a small dosage of ALA together with the DMSA.

"Chlorella, Cilantro, Apple Pectin, AlphaLipoicAcid, OSR, Chelorex, Cod Liver Oil, NAC, LiverLife, Bio Chelat(low edta solution), MElatonin "

I suggest that he stop the cilantro and EDTA immediately! Imo those will probably do more harm than good. Chelorex has ALA in it, so it should be avoided(see my comments above about ALA). The useful things like zinc picolinate, magnesium malate(magnesium plus malic acid), vitamin c, B vitamins, milk thistle, and coQ10 can be taken separately. You could also add licorice root to help with detoxification.

Hi Alex,

I'm sorry to hear about your brother

I have heard the quote "First do no harm". Don't make things worse if you can help it. Though, this is difficult when you're dealing with mercury as it is very easy to make things worse as you're attempting to make things better. It's risky stuff to deal with.

I support JK98's statements completely. But may I add:

If you want my opinion, I would say to be VERY cautious of the NAC, chlorella, cilantro and glutathione as well. All of these products can mobilise mercury and sometimes wildly. Whilst they are ordinarily helpful and healthy, their effect with mercury may cause more problems than its worth. Some people can do ok on them, or even well, others can be seriously affected and certainly, it is not wise to use them whilst a person still has amalgams. Even AFTER removal of amalgams, any of these should be treated with caution, because of the fact they can all mobilise mercury and may potentially shift it into more sensitive areas, like the the brain.

I would advise sticking to support supplements as JK98 has mentioned. Even then, if ANY make things worse, please either stop or try on a smaller dose and test for respones. I know a certain amount of detox symptoms is not unexpected nor undesirable, but you do not want to make things unnecessarily worse or intolerable.

I would check your brother's diet. I think personally this is one of the most important things to do. Even Hal Huggins recommends a diet regime and more and more biologic dentists are outlining a diet plan for their toxic patients before they remove their amalgams. To help prepare them for it and make them healthier/stronger.

The main things I think to remove from a mercury toxic person's diet is usually sugar, wheat/gluten products and yeast. This can be VERY helpful. Sugar is very bad for the immune system and will make a toxic situation worse, plus can create or worsen candida (a yeast condition). Wheat/gluten products may not be digested properly in a person with compromised gut/immunity from mercury and may make them much more toxic. Wheat is also apparently treated with mercury fungicide.

And yeast? Well, though it maybe healthy, in someone with candida (which is common with mercury poisoning), it is wise to omit it. Even sensitivity to yeast alone can challenge immunity further and make symptoms worse.

Even eliminating these alone made my mercury poisoning situation SO much easier. After a few weeks of withdrawal/detox, I alleviated quite a few symptoms and amongst those were depression/anxiety etc. Quality of health improved quite substantially, though I was still toxic from amlagams. It took a load of my gut and liver and helped me become healthier and stronger in my fight against mercury.

That is personally what I would recommend as a starting point. Diet (and make sure he includes good healthy foods with fruit (if tolerated and doesn't cause too many candida symptoms, as it's still a form of sugar, though natural and much healthier) salads/vegetables, plenty of protein in meat and eggs (very necessary in mercury toxicity) and enough fats in butter, fat on meat, fish oil (mercury free brand), extra virgin olive oil etc. Nuts/seeds, natural acidophilus yoghurt. Natural ocean sea salt is also good to use.

And of course support supplements. I would not use chelating/mobilising agents at this point until he has gotten his amalgams out and I would be careful after amalgam removal which ones to use and how to use them.

Clay baths? Great! Sweating should also be of help. Via some exercise, hot baths, saunas etc (as long as he does not overdo it). Vitamin C, vitamin E, selenium (only if tolerated), B complex, zinc, magnesium/calcium (equal ratios) and even a multi vitamin/mineral to cover bases may also be of help. Cod liver oil? Great (as long as it's tested for mercury). Not sure what's in liver life? Melatonin maybe ok too.

The rest? I'd hold fire personally.

You sound like a great brother!

There is a protocol that I usually recommend and stand behind on this forum and I would recommend you look into it. But this is only to be used AFTER amalgams are removed. Please check out this link:

Informative posts by Andy Cutler

I suggest reading through it careful and finding out about the chelation products and the protocol that is recommended in using them.

It sounds like a lot, but take it step by step. At this stage, just diet and supplement support is probably the safest bet (in my opinion). Later chelation can be brought onboard.

No fructose corn syprup can help as well, see most sleeping on my thread but read ingrediants and what I posted in that thread! This can go along way, than and the squatting thread you will see in here which cost you nothing.


Why do so many continue to sleep on those, they are HUGE in becoming heealthy IMO.

The link is an interview with Boyd Haley packed with tons of useful information and some stuff about OSR.

http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html

Chelating with amalgams still in mouth is a pretty massive no-no.(perhaps with the exception of OSR, not certain so youll have to do some research or email Boyd, hes very open to questions, his website is ctiscience.com).

Put simply and politely-If the doctor knew your bro still had amalgams and gave him the chelorex formula,..... you need to find a new doctor.

I am in a smiliar situation to your brothers (insanity,etc..)

My opinion-Consider dropping ALL chelators except OSR. As Boyd states in the interview he is confident in its non-toxicness and safety. When someone is on the brink of fracturing from reality (like i am and sounds like your bro is) the last thing you want to do is bombard there body with chelators and free up a ton of metals that were once tucked away and less damaging. Also ALA imo and experience is very very risky for people having all the brain related symptoms and should definitly not be gambled with till the end of the chelation process. 100mg a day OSR seems to be wayyyy to much for autistic kids to start on (as stated by parents on the yahoo OSR forums) sooo something else to think about.

If your bro can type id be interested to talk with him coz sounds like we both experiencing the same things. So let us know.

Guys,

Thanks for all your responses...I really appreciate it.
The biggest problem right now is that my brother cannot get a good night sleep even with the melatonin. Last night I even gave him GABA before bed. It looks like he's sleeping but then when he hears anything he opens up his eyes right away. His doctor told me, that if he starts getting sleep at night he will feel much better.
My brother said to me last night that all this stuff that he takes might do more harm because it's all bundled together. I kind of agree but how would I know what's helping him and what's not. I will try to stop giving him ALA, cilantro and Bio-Chelat today. Should I stop giving him NAC and chlorella too? The chelorex that he's taking is in the liquid form. It looks like orange juice.
We have an apt with a dentist today at 2pm. The dentist will take xrays before he does anything I guess.
By the way, not sure if I told you this guys he had a very elevated level of iodine when we did his hair test. I read up a lot on it and that's related to mercury amalgam fillings.
This week I ordered 2 tests from meta metrix laboratory, one for porphyrin test(urine) for assesing effects of toxicity and the second one called organix comprehensive - urine.
I was told by my brothers doctor that melatonin helps bring up glutatione levels. We are taking 1 OSR pill before bed with Cod Liver Oil.
His doctor doesn't recommend any of the synthetic chelation therapys because of the many side effects.

I hope he's right...

Alex

Also I wanted to say that he urinates a lot and the urine is clear color. We also did a 24hr test for mercury and other metals and it came back negative.

alex all the chlorella, ala, osr supplements ur bro is taking are doing him HARM by WILDLY MOBILISING MERCURY. It is not being excreted, or very little is, its just being bounced around.

the doctor is wrong, as most are about heavy metal cherlation.

he is right that tradiotnal chelators are with side effects but only WHEN they are used in an INAPPROPRIATE MANNER.

please akncowledge yourself with the cutler protocole.

LiverLife ingredients are as follows -

Himmematsutake, Red Root, Milk Thistle,
Olive Leaf, Coriolus Versicolor, Ganoderma
Lucidum, Grifola, Purified Water and Alcohol
(grain neutral spirits); 20 % by volume.

urinating a lot is a common mercury symptom. the urine 24h test is negative because he is too sick to excrete the mercury.

Your brother should should try wearing some earplugs to bed if he is so sensitive to sound. Its the only way I could get sleep for many years, as I was extremely sensitive to sound. I could not fall asleep if there were any noises whatsoever...but with earplugs, GABA, and melatonin I could fall asleep and get much needed rest.

Doctors generally don't help people with mercury poisoning, even natural oriented doctors...and in many cases they make them worse. You should consider getting the book 'Amalgam Illness' by Andrew Cutler, it is full of valuable information. There is really too much contradictory information on the internet about mercury detox, so be very careful, as your brother can't afford to get worse.

jinx1983, So are you saying that he should stop taking everything he's taking now?

These are the ones you should stop for sure
Chlorella, Cilantro, AlphaLipoicAcid, Chelorex, Bio Chelat, NAC, GLutatione. NAC may be ok to take, but it can make many people worse, it depends on how sensitive your brother is to sulfur. ITs best to stop it, and maybe try it at a later time and see how he reacts to it.

The basic theory of Andy Cutlers Chelation protocol is this. When you take anything that chelates mercury (Cilantro, AlphaLipoic Acid, DMSA, DMPS) it picks up a lot of mercury from the body, some of the mercury is excreted, and the rest settles back into the body in a new place, causing damage. The only way to avoid this problem is to keep a steady supply of chelating agent in the blood, by dosing it frequently. For DMSA that is every four hours, for DMPS it is 8 hours, for ALA it is 3 hours. The time is unknown for cilantro. Chlorella does not chelate mercury. When you take a chelating agent frequently enough, the mercury will not settle back into your body. When the mercury settles back in the body it is called redistribtion, and can make a person severely worse over time.

I am not sure about OSR, but it would probably be safest taken according to this theory, meaning smaller more frequent doses to keep a steady supply of OSR in the blood, as no chelating angent will excrete all of the mercury it picks up. Redistribution is a real danger when chelating mercury.

I already purchased the book

I thought Dr.Cutler advice was to use ALA for brain chelation of mercury.

what gdawson says is right.

alex how did ur brother pick up mercury poisoning?

ALA is for chelation of mercury throughout the entire body. It can chelate mercury from the brain, but OSR can possibly do that as well. OSR still suffers the same drawback as any chelating agent, which is redistribution of the mercury that is not excreted. The problem is we don't know how fast OSR is metabolized so we don't know the optimum schedule to take it to avoid redistribution.

Since ALA can cross the blood brain barrier, if the body levels of mercury are very high, ALA can actually carry mercury into the brain. It naturally diffuses mercury in areas of high concentration to areas of low concentration. If you have low body levels of mercury it will pull mercury out of the brain. For this reason ALA should not be used until 3 months after Mercury Fillings are removed or any other acute exposure to mercury. If OSR can cross the blood brain barrier, the same holds true for it, meaning if the body levels of mercury are too high, more mercury will actually go to the brain, which is very bad. Cilantro seems to be able to cross the blood brain barrier as well.

DMPS and DMSA do not remove mercury from the brain, or the organs. It will only remove extracellular mercury, and will not actually enter any of your cells, it just stays in your blood. They are useful by themselves following Andy Cutlers frequent dose protocol right after exposure to mercury, and also useful in combination with other chelating agents later on. They(DMPS, DMSA) reduce the symptoms you would get from ALA when you take them together, and also reduce the total amount of time needed to chelate when used in this manner since mercury is excreted more efficiently.

"Also I wanted to say that he urinates a lot and the urine is clear color. We also did a 24hr test for mercury and other metals and it came back negative"

Testing for mercury is worthless. We know he has mercury in his body. The body tends to usually excrete mercury through the feces, and not so much through the urine. herbs that promote bile production might therefore help with detoxification.

Some of the herbs he is taking are diuretics, which will cause extra urination. If his urine looks like water though, then the is probably not taking in enough B vitamins. When you take in enough B vitamins, the urine will be yellow, as the body excretes the excess. Take the B vitamins with food as they are better absobed that way. Many vitamin brands make a B50, which is 50 mg of each of each of the B vitamins. You can cut the B50 tablets in half and take it 4 times a day. Don't take B vitamins late at night though, as they can have a stimulating effect and might disrupt sleep.

Okay I will get B50's and break them up in half...

What do you guys think of LiverLife?
Himmematsutake, Red Root, Milk Thistle,
Olive Leaf, Coriolus Versicolor, Ganoderma
Lucidum, Grifola, Purified Water and Alcohol
(grain neutral spirits); 20 % by volume.

His doctor said that we should give him 1 NAC before bed about 3 weeks so you guys think I should stop it?
As I understood I will not give him ALA till his amalgams are removed.

Please respond...

Should I keep giving him OSR if he feels okay?

I want to start removing his amalgams next week. I think the dentist will do 3 at a time.

the Liverlife's ingredients are ok. I personally think I over supplemented when I was sicker with mercury just because I was desperate to get better, and I think it made it worse in many ways. Its a tough situation because you desperately want relief and many times you just end up digging the hole deeper. Mercury toxic people are often sensitive to many supplements, and its wise to introduce supplements one at a time, with at least a few days to understand if its making you feel better or worse. The biggest issue I think, is that many people claim its just a detox reaction, and to keep on taking certain supplements, but its more likely redistribution, meaning you are just stirring up mercury and moving it around causing damage.

I would ignore the doctor and NOT supplement your brother with NAC. A basic set of supplements that would be helpful until the amalgams are removed would be : B-50, vitamin C, Magnesium, Zinc, and Vitamin E. Selenium makes some people feel better, some feel worse. The Cod Liver Oil and Liverlife should be fine to take as well.

OSR and other chelating agents should be avoided until the amalgams are removed. If you continue it before removal, there is a chance no bad reactions would happen, but there is also a chance that it could make your brother worse. He might seem ok taking OSR now but there is still a good chance for complications while the fillings are still in. The only safe way to assist excretion of mercury with amalgams in is sweating, so using a sauna is an option.

"What do you guys think of LiverLife?
Himmematsutake, Red Root, Milk Thistle,
Olive Leaf, Coriolus Versicolor, Ganoderma
Lucidum, Grifola, Purified Water and Alcohol
(grain neutral spirits); 20 % by volume."

Milk thistle is good for detoxification, as is dandelion and licorice root. Magnesium malate and zinc picolinate as well as creatine may help him feel better, especially if he has plenty of muscle ache. I have also gotten plenty of relief from Triple Leaf Detox Tea. Licorice Root Tea tastes great and is very helpful in detoxification. He should also take buffered vitamin c, 1000 mg 2-4 times a day. Magnesium ascorbate or calcium ascorbate would be good.

I tried milk thistle tea, however it is hard to make tea from it, so perhaps an alcohol extract is necessary, even though I hate the idea of using alcohol extracts. Taking capsules of the podered herb might also not result in that much absorption. There may be some other ways to take it though. In general I suggest staying away from supplements that have many different things bundled together(except for example a B50 which is reasonable to get).

I tried to find out what is in OSR. All I found was hype about it, and nothing giving the ingredients in detail. In general, I avoid proprietary supplements in which little information is given about the specific ingredients.

JK98 so you recommend LiverLife?

a+ advice from jk+gdawson. The link to interview with Boyd Haley about OSR is above.

"JK98 so you recommend LiverLife?"

No. I would prefer milk thistle alone. I am not sure about the other ingrdients in it. I guess if you aready have it you may as well use it up, but don't get it again. Get just milk thistle next time. You could also buy some fresh dandelion in the supermarket(make sure to wash it very well before eating it). Olive leaf is good against candida, but some people have a strong reaction to it. When he is ready to try olive leaf extract, get it alone, and see how he reacts to it. Also get some turmeric powder and sprikle it on food. Turmeric increases bile flow and helps with liver detox.

He should also consider doing a one month parasite cleanse. I like Kroeger Wormwood Combination(2 bottles are needed for a one month cleanse). Humaworm is also very popular(only available directly from the manufacturer).

Thanks JK98.

Do you think he can do clay baths prior to getting his amalgams removed?

"Do you think he can do clay baths prior to getting his amalgams removed?"

Yes, however I am skeptical about them. They might not do much good. Some people here like saunas and steam rooms, however in addition to getting rid of some toxic metals, they cause the loss of plenty of necessary minerals. I guess they are okay if one takes extra mineral supplements- magnesium, calcium, zinc, etc. and eats plenty of potassium and sodium rich rich foods and drinks plenty of water.

Make sure that the turmeric you get has not been irradiated. Irradiation damages some of the medicinal properties of turmeric.

I did very well on Chlorella for years so I disagree there, if it moved it around that wildly in me for 3 years I would be braindead by now!

I go to other sites and see things they put up about diet and natural chelation through things like that, they seem to be doing better than some in here on the ALA who are still a hot mess though following Cutlers protocol. I agree he has a good book and it has helped some, but it is not the all given miracle to heal all mercury poisoned people.

ALA is a synthetic chelator correct? He says don't use Cilantro because he is unaware how it works? I used the Cilantro and it was not scary at all! I take other things and I am a hot mess from them like most in here when they backfire.

I agree read up and get knowledge, but Cutlers protocol is not the beginning and ending of things because there are many avenues you have to cover to get welness and that might just be one of them which would help some not all.

If I were him I would get stronger through minerals and diet and do a kidney flush before and during chelation and then go from there, not just jump on a chelator and make himself worse which it very well could.

Just my opinion, but all the vitamins and chelators are worthless IMO without a diet and cutting things out of and getting yourself stronger for which you can handle such things. I use things and my kidneys hurt at times, thats not a positive sign and many in here seem to get that when they detox, which means we are either not ready or doing too much.
Turmeric is great stuff! I agree with you on that there. The minerals things we both agree on, I like to get mine through Molasses (A few TBLS a day) and eating foods rather than supplements (Unless I need Mag, then I just pop one or two).

No arguments here, great post.
All just my opions though, nothing taken away from what you said because you are a very good poster in here.

"ALA is a synthetic chelator correct?"

No. ALA is a natural substance.

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/othernuts/la/#intro

DMSA is an artificial substance though.

I had very bad side effects taking ALA without DMSA, but can tolerate the two together quite well.

Those who are sensitive to sulfur are sensitive to chlorella. I don't believe it mobilizes any more than other high sulfur foods. I'm under the impression that you are still mercury toxic, so if you took chlorella for years and did great on it then what exactly did the chlorella do? For the price, it doesn't seem like it does very much IMO. Some fresh dark leafy greens have probably just as much nutrients.





One of the big problems with cilantro is that the amount of the natural chelating agent can wildly vary, as with any natural product. I could eat cilantro most of the time without a problem but had a few times when it made me feel wickedly poisoned. This is why most herbal extracts are standardized because all natural herbs can vary greatly in there active compounds.


Diet is extremely important, no doubt about it. I was against chelation for many years but now strongly believe in it after doing it for over 6 months and seeing the results when nothing else seemed to offer lasting improvement.

Thank you for your reply, and maybe I am still very toxic with Mercury! I used it for the nutrient but went to Spirulina now as it is better IMO for blood sugar and food cravings, it works better for me. Garlic messes me up after just a few days, why?

I am against Chelation as you can tell as I read so many times it made some near crazy! I don't want to go there, although I have been close from certain things from Selenium to Kelp and Garlic!!! Maybe I am still more toxic than I would like to admit.

Did you read my posts on Fructose Corn Syrup containing mercury? I have used Gatorade for years and other things which contain a high amount, so the higher amount in my body from that could not be good at ALL! I just poisoned myself worse IMO and thats why I react to these things now. I would try ALA but I am not ready yet IMO, I need to kidney flush and build up minerals first IMO (That plus get rid of High FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP which is flat out poison to us).


Refer to my thread I made on fructose and it can help you and me and his brother etc., why Chelate when we intake Mercury daily? We need to clean up our diets first and get strong, then Chelate.

Thanks for your post though. I can't believe we have to do this crap and go through it, then again YES I CAN believe it being this world is a joke and lies to me.

My dentist said to take the Chlorella before I got the tooth out and then after, shows you how much he knew about mercury when it comes to those things (Holistic one at that). I have my teeth out now and still taste metal in my mouth from time to time especially when cleansing. You find out year after year you can use less and less and become worse off it, it sucks.

"Garlic messes me up after just a few days, why?"

How do you react to other antifungals such as coconut oil, olive leaf extract, cinnamon, oil of oregano, etc.? How do you react to other high sulphur foods such as eggs? Some people are very sensive to sulphur foods.

"Molybdenum deficiency can
lead to intolerance to sulphur-containing amino acids
such as cysteine, methionine and taurine. Foods such
as beef, cottage cheese, garlic, onions and organ
meats may be difficult to digest."

http://www.govita.com.au/library/Minerals/MineralsMolybdenum.pdf

"I am against Chelation as you can tell as I read so many times it made some near crazy! "

Using ALA without DMSA can lead to bad side effects, which I experienced personally. With DMSA, ALA is quite tolerable. I crashed hard last summer chelating with 50 mg ALA. I tried again with 25 mg ALA and crashed again. Early this year I started chelating again with 25 mg ALA +25 mg DMSA and was fine with that. Then I increased it to 50 mg ALA +25 mg DMSA, then 50 mg ALA + 50 Mg DMSA, and now 100 mg ALA plus 50 mg DMSA. I might stay at this dosage for another few weeks, as I am still getting strong enough side effects. When the side effects are almost gone, then it is time to increase the dosage. I had 25 mercury fillings almost all for over 20 years, so I was probably more mercury toxic than most people here.

I am allergic to Coconut oil so I react bad to it! I reacted badly to Cayenne too over a few days and Selenium from Broccoli! Yes those messed me up! Garlic messes me up badly too it seems, so sad since I used Chlorella for years and Kyolic I did fine on too for years, now I react to them? I hate it I hate it.

Cinnamon don't know yet, have not used it long enough for me to say. I react to Kelp, Garlic, Selenium from natural sources and Cayenne it seems if I use it for a few days, I wake up heart beating fast and mind racing etc.! Have you ever been through that there? If so explain why? Olive Leaf did this as well, but I used other things as well so could it be that?

I react really well to Pau Darco tea and tincture and GSE, I really do well on those antifunals to say the least, they are the gift to me! Why react to other things which do the same?


Eggs I do fine and I did well on Chlorella and Kyolic for years, now Chlorella and Garlic bother me? WOW! Are the other antifungals you mention high in sulfur? If so I react to them, the Selenium from Broccoli I am guessing High sulfur correct? Cayenne too? Is that high in it, it effects me badly as well after a few days.

I do well like I said on GSE and Pau Darco, those are my faves and never did me wrong.

Nevermind answered my own question with the click of a button!!!! I also react badly to Selenium from Broccoli which I said, which is HIGH in sulfur!!

http://herbs.lovetoknow.com/Reducing_Blood_Pressure_with_Herbal_Medicine

Garlic high in sulfur!!! YEP.

Turmeric produces things in your body which increase sulfur compounds as well! I feel the same way off of it!

Magnesium Sulfate I felt the same way in the morning off of it! GO FIGURE! WOW.

I am guessing Pau Darco and GSE are not high in sulfur since I do so well on them? JK you are helping me alot here thank YOU! I am getting some pieces of the pie in place now.

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/sulfur_sulphur_foods.html Tumeric will raise those levels too, I react badly to it!!! GO FIGURE!!!!! JK thanks bro.


You helped me piece it together somewhat tonight on why I react to these things, nobody on other boards understands it but here! I guess they just don't know.

If you are sensitive to many different antifungals, and also sensitive to sulphur compunds such as broccoli and eggs, then then you are likely molybdenum deficient.

http://candidapage.com/aldehyde.shtml

Molybdenum is needed for the enzymes which detoxify aldehydes and and the enzymes which detoxify sulphites. My guess is that you are also probably very sensitive to cigarette smoke, diesel fumes, and many perfumes. These contain aldehydes. Candida produces alhydes, and many aldehydes are released when candida is dying. Imo you should try taking 500 mcg a day of molybdenum and see if after a taking it for a week or two your reaction to garlic and the other antifungals, as well as sensitivity to perfumes, diesel fumes, and cigarette smoke is diminished.

BINGO, I am allergic to all those fumes severely!! I hate Cigarette smoke and stopped smoking cigarettes because of that there, my heart beat really fast and I felt dizzy as hell! I chewed tobacco and on such signs of that! Perfumes, forget it, I hate those. Diesel fumes hell yes, other fumes as well! Thanks bro you are a life saver to me, I really wondered why I reacted so badly to those things but now I KNOW! Cayenne, very high in sulfur too, my heart would skip and I felt faint, Turmeric too!

I need to pick up some of that mineral you speak of (I already have some though ;)). Good looking out man, you are helping me out alot here tonight my man, you are a true life saver to me!


Peace and keep up the good work, you are a wealth of knowledge.

I am guessing Spirulina as opposed to Chlorella is low in Sulfur as I DO REALLY WELL ON IT! I do great on that there and always have done great on it! Good stuff to me and beter and the Chlorella and Garlic.

Alex, see if you can find some Oregano Juice. It is some harsh tasting stuff, but did the trick for me, and helped me hang on, when I was to the point I felt I needed "committed". It was recommended by my dentist, before my removal, and I still use it, expecially when I feel sickenss coming on. It has great antiseptic and antiviral properties.

Have him hold it in his mouth, straight, as long as he can stand it, and then swallow. It tastes awful at first, but gradually you get used to it. If he takes it before bed, it will help him sleep better!!! I get it at my local healthfood store, but you can order online, too. This is what I take:

http://www.mothernature.com/shop/detail.cfm/sku/59061

"Alex, see if you can find some Oregano Juice."

You mean oil of oregano? That stuff is a very potent candida killer. It is also great to help with lung congestion. It can be quite expensive, however the Now brand is reasonably priced. I use their peppermint oil, and cinnamon oil. Oil of oregano needs to be diluted in water or oil. Only two or 3 drops at a time are used. Perhaps what you are calling oregano juice is diluted oregano oil?

1000 mcg molybdenum is available at a reasonable price by Thorne. It is only around $6 for 60 capsules. Carlson make Moly B, which is 500 mcg molybdenum. Almost all the other molybdenum supplements I have seen are 150 mcg, and it is not economical to take 3 or 4 of those a day. 1000 mcg might be a bit much to take every day very long term. I guess for long term use, one could take it every other day after a while, or open the capsule and just use half of it a day.




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No, this is actually juice. They make the oil, too, and I use that, as well. I have several different brands of it. I use some Now products, and have always thought they were good quality. I have not found any other company that puts out the juice, though, other than North American Herb & Spice. When I bought my first bottle, it actually came with a big, paperback book about all the medicinal uses of Oregano.

Oreganol P73 Juice - 12 FL. OZ.


Oregano P73 Juice is a highly aromatic essence made from wild oregano growing in the high elevations of Mediterranean mountains - up to 12,000 feet above sea level. This plant concentrates oxygen from the mountain air in its leaves. The unique steam distillation process used to make this formula creates an oxygen rich water soluble tonic very different from the oil. Oreganol juice can be taken alone or with juice or water. Take 1 or more ounces per day for maximum benefit.
http://www.p-73.com/products.asp?cat=2&pg=2

I take this straight out of the bottle. It is very relaxing, taken before bed. I sleep like a baby, when I take it. I had my husband try it, and he says the same thing. It costs between $12 and $16 a bottle. I use around a tablespoon, or just take a swig each time, and it goes quite a long way.

I have taken the oil by mouth, and that does need to be diluted. It is awfully potent, if it's not. When I "oil-pull", I add a drop or so of the Oregano.

Thank you...I bought some Sesame oil for him this weekend. My uncle suggested that and also some dry red wine.

No wine! Alcohol will make him worse! You could get grape seed extract or resveratrol instead of the wine if you want.

Also beware of grape juice, as it is very high in sugar and may also contain sulphites, which may also be a problem.

Guys,

My brother's condition is deteriorating again. He's had some changes in personality, he's been very nice all of a sudden. I know that's not my brother. Feeling a little dizzy and having trouble sleeping at night. What can I give him at this point, he still has 6 amalgam fillings in his mouth.
I still have OSR, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Melatonin, Cod Liver Oil, Sesame Oil, NAC, Chelorex, LiverLife, BioChelta. Not sure what to give him. OSR has helped him before so I'm not if I should give it to him.

He's been taking GABA, Apple Pectin, Vitamin E with selenium, Vitamin C, B50 but I guess it's not helping him.

Thanks everyone

"My brother's condition is deteriorating again. He's had some changes in personality, he's been very nice all of a sudden. I know that's not my brother. Feeling a little dizzy and having trouble sleeping at night. What can I give him at this point, he still has 6 amalgam fillings in his mouth. "

Is he getting enough calcium and magnesium? Enough vitamin B12?

Don't give him the ALA. Keep giving him the B50 and the vitamin c. Is he eating well? Is he getting enough potassium? A good source of calcium, potassium , and active cultures is plain lowfat yogurt. Is he drinking enough water, and getting enough salt in his diet? Many who are mercury toxic do better when they increase their sodium intake. Does he have any problem with his sense of taste or smell? If so, he should also take a zinc supplement. Does he get plenty of sunlight? If not, then he should also consider taking a vitamin D supplement. Does he tolerate garlic? Garlic is a good source of sulphur, and helps boost the immune system. Does his temperature run normal, above normal or below normal?

JK98 sorry for the late response. My brother still feeling lost and confused, not as bad as it was before though. He started drinking natural mix juices a few days ago. His diet is not that good, he likes eating pizza, rice with chicken. He has a sense of taste and smell right now. I actually asked him about that and he said when he was really sick last time he lost his sense of smell and taste. He likes salt in his food so I don't think the sodium should suffer over it. How do I find out if he's getting enough B12? He doesn't like yogurt but he drinks milk with cereal, eggs and cheese.

Finally today I received the test results for his Mercury Blood Test and Blood Glutathione Level Test. See below...
I don't know what they mean neither the doctor that requested the per my request.

Glutathione Blood Level: Result: 1744 Units mmol/L Reference Interval > or = 669

Mercury Blood Test Result None Detected Units ug/L Reference Inverval 0.0 - 14.9

Environmental Exposure: < 15.0
Occupational Exposure:
BEI - Inorganic Mercury: 15.0

"His diet is not that good, he likes eating pizza, rice with chicken."

If he has a candida problem any starchy foods wouldn't be good. Pizza is bad since it often has plenty of sugar, yeast, and all the carbs in the bread.

No detectable blood mercury? A blood test usually doesn't mean much, although I think there should be at least some detectable in mercury in his blood if he has a mercury problem. Who knows though. It is hard to test for mercury. Some doctors do challenge test and give a relatively large DMSA then collect the urine for 24 hours and see how much mercury is in the urine. I guess they collect urine before as well for a comparison. Some people feel very sick after a challenge test.

I wonder if he might be toxic from some other toxic metals besides mercury, or if he has mineral deficiencies.

Do you know if his glutathione level is okay from the results?
Yes he had other mineral deficiencies. Also had high levels of titanium, tin and aluminum.

Calcium 464 200- 750
Magnesium 42 25- 75
Sodium 180 20- 180
Potassium 120 9- 80
Copper 20 11- 30
Zinc 230 130- 200
Manganese 0.14 0.08- 0.50
Chromium 0.50 0.40- 0.70
Vanadium 0.036 0.018- 0.065
Molybdenum 0.049 0.025- 0.060
Boron 2.0 0.40- 3.0
Iodine 7.9 0.25- 1.8
Lithium 0.012 0.007- 0.020
Phosphorus 352 150- 220
Selenium 1.2 0.70- 1.2
Strontium 0.43 0.30- 3.5
Sulfur 56200 44000- 50000
Cobalt 0.006 0.004- 0.020
Iron 17 7.0- 16
Germanium 0.043 0.030- 0.040
Rubidium 0.079 0.011- 0.12
Zirconium 0.34 0.020- 0.44

the second column is for ranges

You can see that iodine, phosphorus, sulfur levels are extremely high. What is that mean?

The high glutathione is a good thing, not a bad thing. You did say he is taking supplements which boost glutathione. The high glutathione might explain why there is no detectable mercury in his blood. As soon as the mercury gets to his blood, the glutathione helps rliminate it. It doesn't tell you how much mercury is in his organs though. I didn't see a number for aluminum. why is his iodine level so high? Does he eat plenty of seaweed or fish? Too much iodine or too little iodine can cause thyroid problems. Did they test for lead, cadmium, arsenic, and other heavy metals?

The high phosphorus is a concern. Does he drink carbonated beverages? If so, he should stop.

He's not taking any more supplements for glutathione except for melatonin which also helps boost glutathione levels. See See attached file for his hair test results which were done a month and a half ago. No he never ate seaweed or fish. Yes he always drank too much carbonated beverages.

continuation of hair test results

He now has trouble sleeping at night even taking Melatonin and GABA. Any ideas?

Does he get enough sunlight? If not, then vitamin D might help. There are other ideas here.

http://www.holisticonline.com/Remedies/Sleep/sleep_ins_nutrition.htm

JK98, Looking at the hair test results what do you think?

"JK98, Looking at the hair test results what do you think?"

I think that hair tests can be quite inaccurate at times, and can vary from lab to lab. The high aluminum and high phosphorus are a concern, but perhaps changes in lifestyle can lower these. Have you figured out why his aluminum and iodine levels are so high? His zinc level is a bit above normal, so he is probably getting enough zinc.

Any comments from the doctor about why the iodine level was so high? It doesn't make sense if he wasn't eating plenty of seaweed or taking megadose iodine supplements. Did you mention that he is taking algin? That is seaweed. The high tin could be from using many canned foods and beverages, or using toothpaste with tin(stannous flouride). The high titanium level could also be from toothpaste, although titanium isn't toxic. Did you say he was taking cilantro? Cilantro causes aluminum to be excreted(or was the hair test done before he started taking the cilantro?)

Alex, has your brother done a parasite cleanse? Many people have greatly benefitted from doing one. I suggest a one month cleanse. There are many cleanse formulas. Some of the most popular are Humaworm, Para-Cleanse, and Kroeger Wormwood Combination. Some are just two weeks per package, so you would need to get two of those for a one month cleanse.

the doctor said that the elevated iodine level is due to amalgam silver fillings. He never took any algin supplements. He began taking cilantro after the hair test results.

he never did any parasite cleansing. is there any way to test if he has parasites?

thks

Parasite tests are not worthwhile. They only detect a small percentage of parasites, and give many false negatives. To be at all meaningful, the test would need to be repeated several times. It is much easier, more convenient, and cheaper to do a one month cleanse than to do testing.

Thanks. His brain is not functioning good right now. He looks confused and depressed. Should I give him glutamine, ginkgo bilioba or gotu kola for that? I got that information from dr.cutler's book, or do we need to wait to remove all the amalgam fillings first.

thats what hes taking now GABA, Apple Pectin, Vitamin E with selenium, Vitamin C, B50, cod liver oil. I'm thinking of giving him OSR soon if he doesnt improve.

what do u think?

I never used those. Has he tried using detox teas? The Triple Leaf Detox Tea and the Yogi Detox Tea are both pretty good.
Is he drinking enough water? Getting enough potassium?

Alex, to me these sound fine. But can I ask if he is consuming any sugar/gluten/yeast products? I know I've said this before, but it's extremely important. This is no side issue for many people, but a big deal.

These were and are like pure poison to me and many others with immune problems and/or mercury poisoning. Without excluding them from my diet, I remained incredibly toxic and ill. Often bedridden, severely depression/anxious and suicidal.

Once I got them out of my diet, after going through detox/withdrawal for a few weeks, the difference was remarkable. And it was then that the supplements began to be able to make more of a difference, because my body was now able to absorb them.

Sugar can severely lower immunity and disrupt many things inside the body, including absorption of nutrients/minerals. Wheat is often treated with mercury fungicide, plus it contains gluten. Gluten grains can act like a glue, screw up the gut and prevent healing. Again, like poison to some people.

Yeast? Yeast isn't bad in itself, but if a person has candida? Which many mercury toxic people do, they can act allergically to yeast. This can also make a person feel toxic because again, immunity gets stressed. Yeast is typically avoided.

If these items are removed from the diet, great improvement can come. If they remain? They maybe the cause of alot of unnecessarily toxicity and discomfort. No it's not easy to give them up, but sometimes very necessary. I gained better health and much hope after excluding them and improving! It was then I started removing my amalgams.

How about detoxifying herbs like dandelion, milk thistle, red clover, burdock, ginger, and licorice? Detox teas typically have those. Drinking extra water should also help.

Absolutely yes. I drink herbal teas and I'm quite sure they help me. They also give me something safe to drink, as I cannot have coffee or fizzy drink or even milk.

But for me, I had to change my diet before I was able to benefit properly from additional nutrients and detoxes.

Cleaned up the diet and then the benefits started. Detox was still not easy, but the pathways were more open and I had a better gut/liver condition to deal to the job, rather than a toxic and overburdened gut and liver unable to cope with increased movement of toxins. So they basically got shifted around a body that was too ill to eliminate properly.

That's my experience. I really believe the benefits of excluding the bad foods and encouraging an increase in good cannot be over emphasised! There are plenty of healthy alternatives to sugar and gluten/yeast products out there. And plenty of alternatives to coffee, fizzy drinks and milkshakes by the many detox herbal teas out there that JK has pointed out.

He's still consuming sugar, wheat and yeast product. Not as much though. What food should he eat then? I don't know how he's going to stop eating all of that. It's been hell for me these past couple of month. I think I aged 10 years but I will keep giving my all because he's my brother.

Thanks for all your help guys

Hi Alex,

This could be doing him a great deal of harm. Had I not given up products containing those things, I may have committed suicide. Dramatic as this sounds, I had no idea the impact they were having on my health. This was far more important than the supplements. This is the first thing I had to get right. The foundation of the diet is vital.

The alternatives to sugar/gluten/yeast are plenty. He can eat meat/chicken (as long as it's not coated in gluten flour), eggs, vegetables, fruit (it's still a form of sugar, but it's natural and healthy. Though some with severe candida may need to reduce or eliminate it, others maybe ok with some. I would keep this minimal in the early stages though). Nuts/seeds are fine(excluding peanuts/cashews I think because of mould).
Yoghurt (plain sugar free acidophilus). Non wheat, non gluten grains/cereals maybe ok too.

As long as he gets off the sugar/wheat/gluten/yeast products as a starter? He may begin to find relief in a few weeks. Though there is a period of withdrawal/die off/detox, so he may well experience this. If he does, it's yet another strong indicator that these foods may have been causing harm. They certainly did to me. As the toxins started to loosen and come out, I even started to smell! I had some headaches, some dizziness and yes I had some crying spells and very difficult moments during the detox period after these foods were excluded. I craved them and had trouble resisting them, but I hung in there.

It was well worth the effort.

I am really sorry you are going through such hell with your brother. What a great brother and person you are! If you can help him through a change of diet and the difficult adjustment/withdrawal/detox period? You may find reward at the end of it and hopefully relief. I would not be saying this if I did not feel so strongly about it!

I had to do this for myself because my life was a living Hell. No amount of supplements/antidepressants helped me until I made this vital change of diet!

YES YES you are on my page again JK! I used Dandelion every day, Milk Thistle when I can! How about olive Leaf powder made into a tea? That kills parasites, viruses and Candida, very postent stuff and NON TOXIC! I have a book on it, great stuff.

I think many can benefit from these things here! Peace.

"How about olive Leaf powder made into a tea?"

Perhaps when he feels a bit better? Olive leaf extract often causes strong die off reactions.

HELL YEAH IT DOES! I got them yesterday and today! I am stronger than his bro though it seems so I can use it! This stuff is amazing JK! I mean it is very amazing! I suggest using Charcoal when it does this though, that helps alot with die offs, many don't know that.

Is his temperature usually below normal, normal, or above normal?

His temperture is normal. The only thing he's expiriencing right now is brain fog where it takes him like 2-3 sec to answer a simple question.
I got him triple leaf detox tea yesterday. How many times a day should I give it to him?

The Triple Leaf Detox tea says on the package that one or two cups a day is recommended. I think that is a reasonable guideline. Some days I drink a cup of the Triple Leaf Detox Tea, then a few hours later I drink a cup of the Yogi Detox Tea. The herbs in those are a bit different.

CAN ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION BELOW? THANKS GUYS

Should I give him glutamine, ginkgo bilioba or gotu kola for brain relief? I got that information from dr.cutler's book, or do we need to wait to remove all the amalgam fillings first.

"Should I give him glutamine, ginkgo bilioba or gotu kola for brain relief? I got that information from dr.cutler's book, or do we need to wait to remove all the amalgam fillings first."

Imo glutamine might help a bit. I don't think ginko or gotu kola will help, however I dount they would hurt, so if you already have them then use them. If you don't have them yet, then imo you shouldn't get them. Herbs like dandelion, licorice root, ginger, and milk thisle that are good for detoxification will probably be more helpful. Licorice root also helps fight depression, and is a very mild laxative. I use licorice root frequently.

Was the Triple Leaf Detox helpful? Imo you should also get the Yogi Detox Tea. Then you could alternate between the two. You could also get some licorice root tea. There is some licorice root in those detox teas, however it is only a small percentage of the formulas.

I bought the teas but he haven't taken them yet. It's very hard to make him take this stuff right now because his brain is not functioning and he's afraid to take anything that he doesn't know.
In Dr.Cutler's book he states that licorice is for asthma and respiratory infections. How would that help his brain out?

He recommended these supplements below...

essential fatty acids
glutamine
milk thistle
vitamin b6 b12
gotu kola
ginkgo biloba
niacinamide 500-1000 b3

I couldn't find anywhere where he states that you need amalgam removed before you can begin taking alpha lipoic acid and other chelation supplements. Can you confirm?

Thanks

"In Dr.Cutler's book he states that licorice is for asthma and respiratory infections. How would that help his brain out?"

http://www.herbwisdom.com/herb-licorice-root.html


" couldn't find anywhere where he states that you need amalgam removed before you can begin taking alpha lipoic acid and other chelation supplements. Can you confirm?"

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html

Thanks. JK98 what can I do at this point to clear him up? I don't know anymore, he doesn't want to take any vitamins. Should I take him to sauna? or give him OSR? What do you think.

A sauna or steam room might help if he can tolerate it. I am very sensitive to heat, and become extremely uncomfortable in the heat. I can't tolerate a suana or steam room. Some benefit greatly from them. If he does use one, then he needs to be sure to take in enough water, potassium(milk, vegetables or vegetable juice would be good sources) salt, calcium, magnesium, and zinc.

Perhaps he could try the detox teas and the licorice tea, and try eating the caveman diet for a few days(perhaps just salad,steamed vegetables, chicken breast or lean beef. Detoxifying herbs like dandelion, ginger and and alfalfa might help. Can he tolerate garlic? That is also good for detoxification. Have you thought about a parasite cleanse? Some parasite cleanses contain laxatives so they might be annoying to use. The Kroeger Wormwood Combination has no laxatives added(although the black walnut green hull extract and wormwood that it has have very mild laxative properties). Many here have had parasites, and improved quite a bit from a parasite cleanse.

I think I got the licorice drops instead of the tea. Would that matter? I purchased the humaworm parasite cleanse in capsule form. It should be arriving any day now. Can he take that with the rest of the stuff he's currently taking?

Did you remove all your amalgam fillings already?

"I think I got the licorice drops instead of the tea. Would that matter? "

Many liquid extracts contain alcohol which should be avoided if possible. Some licorice extracts and capsules are DGL, in which some of the medicinal compounds are removed. Don't use DGL licorice, and try to avoid extracts with alcohol.

Milk thistle is very hard to make tea from. I bought some milk thistle tea bags and tried very hard to make tea from them, but it was almost like plain water. So for milk thistle an alcohol extract would probably be okay, since the tea and capsules of the crushed herb might not be so effective.

The last of my amalgams were replaced 17 months ago. I had 25 amalgams. It took almost a year for them to be replaced. I felt pretty sick during the process, and had to take a few long breaks inbetween.

The licorice drops that I purchased were Alcohol free so I suppose they should be okay. There were ones with alcohol but I got the ones without it. What's DGL?
I will buy some milk thistle for him today. So you recommend getting drops?
When you felt sick who cared for you if you don't mind me asking? Did you feel large improvements once the amalgams were replaced?

"The licorice drops that I purchased were Alcohol free so I suppose they should be okay."

Does it say DGL on the label? Next time make sure not to get DGL licorice. DGL stands for De-Glycyrrhizinated Licorice. The glycyrrhizin was removed. That substance provides many of the medicinal properties in licorice. It can raise blood pressure though, so those with high blood pressure or who want to use large doses of licorice sometime use the DGL licorice. It is meant for those who can't tolerate the regular licorice.

"I will buy some milk thistle for him today. So you recommend getting drops?"

I guess so, since it is so hard to make tea from milk thistle, and many websites claim that capsules of the crushed herb aren't absorbed very well.

"When you felt sick who cared for you if you don't mind me asking?"

Basically myself. It wasn't easy.

"Did you feel large improvements once the amalgams were replaced?
"

I went through periods of feeling much better then much worse. Soon after amalgams were replaced I felt better, but then a few weeks later I felt much worse as my body seemed to be dumping mercury that was deeply stored.

That's great that you were able to fight this off on your own!!! I have only 1 amalgam filling left in my mouth but it's huge. My dentist said that he doubts it can be replaced with a composite so he said that I will need a cap put in.

My brother has 2 caps I think, how do we know that there is no amalgam filling under it?

There is an option that is sometimes possible that is between a composite and a crown. It is called an inlay or onlay. It is good in some circumstances when a composite wouldn't be good. It is less destructive to the tooth than a crown and strengthens the tooth, unlike a composite or amalgam which weakens the tooth. I have a combination of inlays and onlays, crowns, and composites. Most of my restorations are porcelain inlays or onlays.

I don't know how you verify that there is no amalgam under the crown. I guess you need to trust your dentist, although some here say they can spot it on the xray if there is mercury under the crown.

If the amalgams are removed, how do you still have to be on this stuff? Do you do DMSA + ALA as per Dr.Cutler's protocol?

Yes, I am using DMSA + ALA.

http://orbisvitae.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=51544#Post51544

I am still not well, but am doing better than I was. The progress isn't in astraight line though.

I thought you get better automatically with little interaction from the supplements once the amalgam are removed.
I also read that DMSA is synthetic and dangerous. The doctor that we dealt with a while ago suggested that we take all natural supplements.

" also read that DMSA is synthetic and dangerous."

It is synthetic, but not dangerous if used following the Cutler protocol at reasonable dosages. It has been around for over 50 years.

"The doctor that we dealt with a while ago suggested that we take all natural supplements."

There is nothing natural that replaces DMSA. DMSA can be used with ALA or cilantro.

just came back from a healthfood store, bought milk thistle, the worker recommended that i buy fish oil and use it instead of the cod liver oil. he also suggested that I get l-tryptophan for relaxion and sleep. Did you ever hear of it?

"l-tryptophan for relaxion and sleep. Did you ever hear of it?
"

Of course I have. Tryptophan is an essential amino acid. It is what is in turkey that makes some people very drowsy.

Cod liver oil is mostly a source of vitamin A and vitamin D. People take fish oil for the omega 3 fats. You can use both, just be careful about getting too much vitamin A when using cod liver oil. More than 20,000 units a day can be toxic. Some recommend taking 10,000 units a day or less of vitamin A long term.

so should I give my brother some of the tryptophan before bed with GABA and melatonin?
one tea spoon of cod liver oil should be fine every day right?

One teaspoon of cod liver oil gives 4500 units of vitamin A, and 450 mg of vitamin D. You could give him up to 4 teaspoons a day of it if he isn't takin other vitamin A or vitamin D. It should be taken with meals.

The tryptophan should be taken on an empty stomach to be effective. Melatonin sometimes works short term, but for many people it doesn't help longer term. It should be taken on an empty stomach.

Okay. Can I have him eat potatoes? starch foods?

Potatoes are rather high in carbohydrates. They are not as bad as sugar or alcohol, but don't really fit into a low carb diet.
Low carb vegetables like cauliflower, broccoli, spinach, kale, etc.would be much better. It is up to him. The strict caveman diet is just lean meat, eggs,( and perhaps low mercury fish like sardines, herring, and salmon, although some here would say to eliminate all fish at least temporarily), and salad and steamed vegetables. I don't recommend this for a very long time, but perhaps 4-7 days just to help detoxify his body. The use of spices will also help with detoxification.

Nuts and seeds are a good source of minerals. The most important thing is to eliminate alcohol and processed sugar. I have given up fruit as well, but some people can tolerate some of the less sweet fruits.

JK98 I'm confused about this one thing, when brother was taking all of these below...he actually felt better for some time and then went to the cofused state again.

"Chlorella, Cilantro, Apple Pectin, AlphaLipoicAcid, OSR, Chelorex, Cod Liver Oil, NAC, LiverLife, Bio Chelat(low edta solution), MElatonin"

It's been almost 2 weeks since he's been taking Vitamin E + selenium, Vitamin C, GABA, Cod Liver Oil but his condition is not changing to better.
Last night I added Fish Oil, Licorice Root, Milk Thistle, tryptophan and I gave him 1 OSR pill last night(same dose that we were giving him before).

I guess there is no way to pinpoint of what is making him feel better or worst unless I keep him on one supplement at a time.

Alex

" guess there is no way to pinpoint of what is making him feel better or worst unless I keep him on one supplement at a time.
"

Or perhaps just add or subtract one supplement at a time.

He is getting one teaspoon a day of cod liver oil? Perhaps you should increase that to 2 or 3, especially if he is not taking any other vitamin A or vitamin D. How much vitamin C is he taking? Is he taking calcium and magnesium? If not, then you should add it. Calcium can be constipating, so many suggest taking it together with the magnesium to balance it out(magnesium has a mild laxative effect in low doses). There are supplements with magnesium and calcium citrate together.

How is his weight? Overweight, underweight, or average?
You said his temperature is around normal? Mine is often below normal.

Actually I stopped giving him cod liver oil last night and started him with Fish Oil. Vitamin C is 3000-4000 per day. He gets calcium and magnesium from fruit juices. I almost forgot I bought some Ultra B12 which he took last night too.
this one here http://www.aviva.ca/shop/products.asp?itemid=4691&catid=78
What about zinc? Does he need that?

From what I remember the Chelorex formula had all of the vitamins with ALA. I stopped giving it to him because of that. Why did his doctor say it was okay to take if there was ALA in it? Maybe it wasn't harming him at all?

His stomach is a little bloated not as much as before though. His weight right now is 190lbs (average built). Temperture is normal.

"His weight right now is 190lbs "

How tall is he?

"Actually I stopped giving him cod liver oil last night "

Why? Does he hate the taste? If so, he could get vitamins A and D from capsules or tablets. Vitamins A and D are very important.

"He gets calcium and magnesium from fruit juices."

Fruit juices? I have seen some orange juice with added calcium. I haven't seen any with added magnesium. While fruit juices are good sources of potassium, they are high in sugar, and not a good idea for a low carbohydrate diet. Fruit juices are also high in calories, especially if one uses them instead of water.
Imo he should stop drinking fruit juices and stop eating fruit, and eat vegetables instead. Fruit juices are worse than eating fruit, since they don't even have the fiber, and juices tend to be from the sweetest varieties of fruit.

Many doctors prescribe ALA even when people have amalgams. It is not a good idea though, as it might mobilize mercury into the brain.

Herbs that help eliminate bloating include peppermint,chamomile, ginger, oregano, and cayenne pepper.

He's 6'2.

So that is a BMI of 24.4. He is probably at an ideal weight.

never heard of BMI. Whats that?

BMI

http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/

Do not use Chelorex, OSR, or any other chelator or alleged chelator EVER if amalgam filings are in place, OR if a proper protocol based on measured half life is not available.

Vitamin C and magnesium several timesa day may help.

You need to get your brother to WANT help.

Often in these kinds of situations the use of psychiatric medications for relief of symptoms is mandatory.

Andy

Thanks for your answer Andy. What type of psychiatric medications are you referring to? We actually got a prescription for Wellbutrin and Ativan from a physchiatrist few month ago when he had sever panic attacks and nothing would help. When he took ativan it made feel better the first time but then he started acting crazy again.

Then I found Dr.Greenberrg with Chelorex and he was kind enough to help me get my brother to a better state of mind using OSR, Chelorex, Chlorella, Cilantro, ALA, NAC, apple pectin and cod liver oil. I understand that every doctor has it's own protocol so it's really hard especially for me to narrow down the things that help him and the things that make him feel worst.
Once we remove all the amalgams can we start taking all the stuff Dr.Greenbergf suggested or go with DMSA + ALA instead?

Thank you