News you won't see in controlled mainstream media.

I'd not have a clue about this kind of stuff. BUT, the comments made about the results of this test does at least give another pointer in the direction of mercury. Couple that with his ongoing symptoms and I personally feel that it's evident enough that mercury is at the very least a contributing factor (if not, the cause).

Certainly, a dental clean up by a good biologic dentist would at least be the removal of one very vile toxin regardless. I know that's easier said than done.

More biologic dentists now prepare their patients by diet and supplement support, pretty much what I emphasized in this thread as an important preparation for amalgam removal. The removal process is stressful and exposes the patient to increased amounts of mercury as you know (even with protection). The aim is to get the patient into a position where they are stronger/healthier beforehand (by also reducing excessive yeast and toxins), so they will be in a better position to cope with the removal and to respond easier to detoxification following.

Not all dentists prescribe to this, but more are certainly becoming increasingly aware of the patient's overall health and the need to prepare them before amalgam removal.

Alex, how is your brother at the moment? Has any of the advice given here helped him at all so far?

An interesting article about fructose. Alex, did your brother give up the soda and fruit juice? High fructose corn syrup in soda might also contain mercury.

http://www.trit.us/modernfood/highfructose.html

We are in the process of replacing all of his amalgams right now. He's feeling a little bit better. He's avoiding soda I know that but he still drinking natural juices and lots of water.

Bex,
To be honest with you I'm not sure what helped him and and what is making him feel worst because he's taking so much stuff but I know one thing that when he had severe panic attacks and sleepless nights, OSR helped him. Thank you Dr.Boyd Haley!

Even natural fruit juices are not good, especially in large quantities.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=248&sid=6690568

Has he tried taking some magnesium supplements?

I know that JK98 but I can't stop him from drinking what he wants to drink eventhough that's what needed of him!

We are giving vitamins which have some magnesium in them but small amounts. All he eats now is food with high magnesium counts like nuts, rice, beans, bananas...

Nuts and seeds are a good source of magnesium, zinc, iron and copper, especially raw sunflower seeds and raw pumpkin seeds(pepitas).

Yeah I did a post on this with many links, I don't think too many paid too much attention to it though! I agree cut that crap out as much as you can JK. Fructose is horrible for you.

If there is amalgam under the crowns, it will show up on xrays.

Many crowns have a metal base and the x-ray will hit that and not show you what is behind it. Amalgams hidden under these crowns will NOT show up on x-rays, as it will just show the metal that makes the base of the crown.

Gdawson6, Agreed. The dentist that is doing my brothers amalgams said the same thing that it cannot be viewed with an x-ray. We are almost done with all the replacements.

True, my Holistic showed me the X rays and I saw the tooth on it in black the rest was white.

Hello all,

It's been a month since I posted here, my brother is doing much better now! I think after the removal of his amalgams he started to improve. Now he's still feels a little bit lost and confused but he started living a normal life. I think there is still something in his brain but to me it seems very minor. I just hope I'm right.
What do you guys suggest I do now? Can I start giving him ALA, Chelorex and other natural chelation formulas or wait for some time.
He's only taking vitamins at this moment (Vitamin E + selenium, Vitamin C, GABA, Fish Oil, Licorice Root, Milk Thistle, tryptophan , Vitamin D).

Thank you all for your help

He can start on DMSA pretty soon. One should wait a few months after removal before adding ALA. Using ALA too early might result in mercury being redistributed to the brain. A good starting dosage for DMSA is 25 mg every 4 hours(including at night) for 3 days(two nights) then 3 or 4 days off, then repeat the cycle.

Hello guys,

I am trying to decide which crown I should get for my brother, porcelain(with metal on the inside) or zirconium(no metal). It's a for a back tooth. The dentist says that zirconium is much better because it has no metal and it's stronger. Any of you can comment on it I'd appreciate it.

Thanks

Guys I wanted to get your opinion on my brothers condition. He removed all of his amalgams a couple of months ago and was feeling a lot better after that. Right now, he feels good for a period of a week and then he says he goes into some type of thought process. He told me that his brain starts thinking consantly about different things, not bad things and many things in general. I asked him if he's getting good night sleep and he said yes so that's good I suppose. He's been taking GABA, Vitamin E, B50 and Fish Oil. We did another hair test this week on him. Can it be that the mercury is getting extreted from his brain and he feels this way?

I also asked about his mood in general and pointed him to one of your articles which is great......He's more like #5 (5). Poor mood, attention deficit, emotionally flat, not much drive or focus = Catecholamine depression.)

http://livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/depression/

My experience is that mercury makes me think about negative things, and it makes my mind loop over and over. It also makes it difficult to concentrate.

Mercury can also cause OCD symptoms, depression, fatigue, and so much more.

During detox, you can have surges of symptoms for short times, especially of your detoxing.

Thanks Russ. That's what I thought is happenning to him...Do you think I should have him do some natural chelation forumulas like Chlorex, metal magic or NDF?

Well, I'm using DMSA and it's helping me.

I can't vouch for the other products because I haven't tried them.

Alex, is he still taking licorice root? That helps mood. I recently added carnitine to my regimen. That helps with fat metabolism and cognitive problems. Magnesium also helps with mood. I also like the idea of eating plenty of horseradish, cayenne pepper and garlic on my food. Horseradish and garlic are very high in sulphur, which helps detoxification.

Chelating with ALA improves my mood, but often makes my muscle ache worse. it is strange combination to feel better cognitively but have worse muscle ache.

Some people get mood improvement from St. John's Wort, although I found that St. John's Wort became less effective over time. Licorice root also helps with detoxification.

Alex, has your brother done a parasite cleanse? Some people feel much better after doing a one month cleanse. The herbs used in a parasite cleanse-wormwood, black walnut green hull extract, and cloves are also very antifungal.

No he's not taking licorice root eventhough I bought it for him. Today I got him magnesium hopefully that helps him a little bit. I'm glad that he's working right now and keeping his mind occupied. He didn't do any DMSA or ALA chelation yet since the removal of amalgams. It's been like 2 months already. I bought him the paraiste clease from that site you recommended me a while back but he didn't get a chance to do it yet.
I got him to agree to go to a sauna with me next week. Hopefully that will help him detox some metals too. Do you remember if I shoudl do the regular sauna or the infrared one?

Just curious, I have been spending lots of time on the livingnetwork.co.za site and reading dr.clark remedies for many diseases and sicknesses. It's unbelievable but Im starting to take it seriously. Take a look if you didn't already and tell me what you think.
I have a family member with diabetes 1 and I was wondering if we can replace the insulin without methonol or wood alcohol thats how dr.clark called it. Does insulin without metals even exists???

"Hopefully that will help him detox some metals too. Do you remember if I shoudl do the regular sauna or the infrared one?"

I guess sweating is what works. An infrared sauna might help with muscle ache though. Perhaps steam rooms might help more than saunas, as the heat plus high humidity would probably cause greater sweating than dry heat.

If he has muscle ache, then malic acid might help. I take magnesium malate, which is malic acid and magnesium.

" I have been spending lots of time on the livingnetwork.co.za site and reading dr.clark remedies for many diseases and sicknesses."

Dr. Hulda Clark? She believes that many diseases are caused by parasites.

Yes parasites, worms etc. Do you think it's true that canceer, hiv, diabetes can be cured with killing the parasites?

I'm actually thinking of doing some cleansing myself too.

"Yes parasites, worms etc. Do you think it's true that canceer, hiv, diabetes can be cured with killing the parasites?

I'm actually thinking of doing some cleansing myself too."

Parasites interfere with absorption of vitamins and minerals, and the waste they secrete causes allergic reactions in people.
This leads to an even weaker immune system. The body tries to heal itself, but the extra burden from the parasites might prevent it. Paraasites may also interfere with detoxification
from mercury.

Those with a weakened immune system are much more vulnerable to
infection by parasites.

Well Hi , I don't know how this site works yet. My interest right now is in getting advice on getting my amalgams removed. It seems to me that even after they are removed, there are bad detox symptoms and i wonder if I can expect to ever feel better . I have been sick for over 1 year and have been told it may be mercury. I guess there is no guarantee that taking out mercury will solve my problems. Help.

Hello Mary. Getting the filling replaced is the first step. After that comes chelation and detox. Chelation takes time.
I suggest you read this.


http://www.flcv.com/cfsfm.html

JK98 Thank you for you reply to my amalgam removal inquiry. Here is the thing - when I read about getting amalgams removed I read stories of worsening symptoms and I have concluded that it is probably dangerous (although it is dangerous to have them in my mouth - I have about 12 for many years now). So the bottom line is I am scared. Also the detox is seems very confusing with so many different agents to choose from. I am extremely sensitive to everything in that I need only take 1/4 -1/2 the recommended dosage of meds in order not to get side effects. So again, I am sick but also scared of the cure!
I do know to go to a biologic dentist to remove them. Thank you so much for responding to me, I hope I am using this forum correctly.

I had 25 mercury fillings for many years. Getting them replaced does expose you to some mercury, but then you can start detox after that.

Chemical sensitivity is often made worse by candida, parasite infection, or nutritional deficiencies. It shows that your body isn't properly detoxifying itself.

Chelation is done with alpha lipoic acid and DMSA.

There are herbs you can take to help kill candida and parasites.

Getting plenty of b vitamins, vitamin c and sulphur is very important. You can try a one month parasite cleanse. After that, you might be less chemically sensitive. Molybdenum supplements may also help.

JK98, What was the parasite cleanse that you suggested to me a while back? I can't remember sorry.

Are you going to replace your crowns with the metal lining or leave them in your mouth? My brother has 3 like that. He had only replaced so far with a zirconium one. There was a mercury filling under the cap when they pulled the old one off. I had the dentist remove it.

"JK98, What was the parasite cleanse that you suggested to me a while back? I can't remember sorry."

I mentioned Humaworm(available only through their website), Kroeger Wormwood Combination(two bottles are needed for a one month cleanse).

"Are you going to replace your crowns with the metal lining "

there is just one with a metal lining. I plan to keep it intact.

Did you get this done after you got your fillings replaced, or have you ever checked to see if there was mercury underneath this crown? X-rays cannot go through the crown to see mercury underneath.

"Did you get this done after you got your fillings replaced"

It has a root canal and a metal post. I doubt it has any mercury in it. It was very deeply excavated. There wasn't much left of the tooth, so I at least glad that I didn't need an extraction and an implant. I know having the metal in my mouth is not good, but still better than the alternatives. At least I made sure the other crowns don't have a metal lining or metal post.

JK98, The other crowns are from what material?

I'm planning to get my replaced with zirconia crown next week. I have 3 crowns with nickel metal in the lining.

"JK98, The other crowns are from what material?"

The others are all porcelain. Just one crown is porcelain with a metal lining.

" I have 3 crowns with nickel metal in the lining."

How do you know they has nickel in them? There are many white metals besides nickel.

Hello again,

I just received my brothers 2nd hair test results. I think they look much more improved then the last one we took 4 months ago. What do you think?

The levels of aluminum, tin are lower, but arsenic, antimony and cadmium, and silver are much higher. I guess his body is detoxifying in stages? The hair amounts measure what he is excreting. Is his doctor happy with the test results?

The internet, Dr.Haley, Dr.Cutler and Dr.Greenberg are our doctors I sent them the results but haven't gotten any reactions.
I read in Dr.Cutler's book that Antimony and Cadmium are not that dangerous. Yes he is excreting all these metals now but I'm wondering if he still has mercury in his body eventhough its not showing up on the test. Can that be the case?

Do elements look little off to you? Dr.Greenberg told me when they all point to the right that means he has trace mineral derangement? Do you agree with that statement?

I compared good hair test samples in Dr.Cutlers book and they actually don't look that much off from my brothers test result.

Thanks

Absolutely! It is highly likely he has mercury in him if he has had amalgams for years and/or other exposure and been poisoned. It is unlikely one will get an accurate measure of mercury from a hair test, because it can depend on so many factors. Whether the source of exposure is still there. Whether the person is retaining or excreting the mercury or not. So often those retaining mercury show the lowest levels and can be the sickest patients of all, because they are having trouble excreting it. But normally once amalgams are gone, hair levels of mercury often do show to be low because it's bound up in tissue/organs.

Sometimes when one is actively detoxing - mercury levels can show to increase in the hair (and urine etc) as it's coming out. I was one of those that retained mercury tightly and showed very low levels. So low in fact that one very researched doctor (in mercury) in my country was very concerned and said that the levels were so low as to be abnormal, considering there is always some exposure to mercury and even healthy people show a higher level of it as the body eliminates it.

There are many reasons for low or high levels of mercury and that's why it is important to check the other mineral levels out to find out what is going on. As mercury poisoning usually causes plenty of imbalances elsewhere and that is often the tell tale sign mercury is at work.

The best protocol to use in my opinion is Dr Cutler's to get mercury out of the body and brain. The safest and most effective I have ever tried.

Guys,

Here is my hair test results which I just received. Last blood work I had, I had high cholesterol levels and high uric acid levels which led me to get gout. My hair test shows that I have low chromium levels, that is actually related to high cholesterol. Should I supplement on chromium or there are other ways of lowering cholesterol. My magnesium was low too. Dr.Cutler suggests taking supplements but I wanted to go the natural route.
The reason my mercury is a little too high is because I was replacing my amalgams in the last month or so.

See below...

Thanks Guys!

What you should do, is get your hands onto some cherries for the gout, or some apple cider vinegar (has to be mother type!), however, use caution with the ACV because of possible candida dieoffs...

I, yesterday couldn't get my hands on any cherries or cherry products in my stupid country of norway!!! Pissed.... My feet is too stiff...... And sauna doesn't seem to fix em due to the heat that is hotest in the ceiling area of the sauna...

So, i'm hunting for cherries... hope its gout, sortof....

It seems that cherry flavoured products is not in demmand by the lame norwegian people.... Neither can i get my hands on mother ACV without ordering on the net....

Pissant country.... I hate europe... It's boring here too.... Too many noobs...

But.... Try cherries for gout.... People swear to it on other forums...


Cheers!

Btw, the best i could get my hands on yesterday was a synthetic applejuice with 80% applejuice, 15% blueberryjuice, and 5 lousy percent of cherryjuice in it....

And i also bought cranberry juice, because it may be good for the kidneys...
And.... my thinking, if its gout, then its the kidneys!!!

Anyway, a kidney cleanse would be in order i think....
When is another question... when.... I'm reacting bad to ginger root, so.... and moderaely now to raw garlic, so..... Will i handle a parasite cleanse before a kidney cleanse..... hmm.... other herbs yeah, but.... will have to see with time...

Anyway........ keywords: Gout, cherries, mother ACV, cranberries, kidney cleanse, Hulda style?.......



Cheers...

Get me right, my country is nice enough, but the people..... sigh.....
Yeah yeah, just say it.. its like that everywhere.... right....
I just H noobs....

Thank God for websites like this where there are little to non noobs... Thank God!
Thank God for the Internet!

Thats how i feel....

Cherries is out of season here now due to winter..... So why cant this noob holding countrry just import some cherries for the winter season...... ARGH!

Go for cherries if you can get em!

In my experience, dry saunas are slow and "ineffective", steam saunas on the other hand is the best for me, rids muscle aches and more, steam saunas are a Godsend!
Steamrooms on the otherhand has a lesser effect on me, milder than the steamsaunas, but sure, i sweat more in humid saunas or rooms than dry saunas...

Havent tried IR saunas yet... I'm affraid it would dig too deep in one go and stirr up more metals than i am willing to handle..... Dont know, but its a speculation with me...

I want to try IR or FIR as its called, dont know if im quite ready yet... anxst to make things hard on myself....

I just hate poisoning symptoms!

However.... with sauna usage, this is VERY important!..... Support the body with vitamins and MINERALS, have a good diet! Because sauna depletes and sweats out good and vital trace minerals too!!! I allmost had a body crash once... was fatigued... Not fun!

Also important to know...... don't go into a sauna with undigested food in the system! Wait for a couple of hours after a meal..... Blood is taken from the gut to the skin to cool the skin..... so..... Digestion and blood as temperature coolant doesnt mix the experts say....

Anyway... saunas has worked wonders for me!

So go!... just remember, 5 minutes in, 10 minutes shower in luke cold water, then 5 mins i the sauna again... maybe 10... then repeat the cycle...

I do this for 1.5hrs.... sometimes, in a session.... once a week or once every two weeks.... Slooooooow...... safe..... and happy!

Also expect some muscle ache / mercury redistribution from sauna usage!
It lessens the more you get the poison out....

I'we been doing this for the last year, also eating garlic now and then... and chilipepeprs, etc....... And started toilet squatting too....

The sauna is also good for psoriassis...... mine is on its way to hasta la'vista... slow but sure.... and "doctors" say that psoriassis is psycho somatic and or genetic and what else, and cant be cured... yeah... my a**.....

Also... blood pressure should be in order before sauna usage!
Cinnamon can help with that, but cinnamon is also antifungal.. so......

Anyway...

Sauna will deffinatley help!

If you get dizzy or heavy headed, then exit and take a looooooong brake or give it a quit for the day and enjoy the results for a couple of days before the redistribution kicks in.. Its not recomended to push it..... it can be potentially dangerous.... With me it feels like a metalball in my head.... that is when i quit a session... You can say i sometimes push it to the edge, but then again its when i do that i get the best results!

The heavy head will go away after half an hour or so when finished... sometimes hours... depends on the day... no day is the same...

Drink plenty of water inbetween sauna re-entries too... every 5 visits maybe...

Just remeber to have a good mineral base when doing this!


Sauna is a good alternative to DMSA i think... i'm not touching that stuff yet...

Sauna's are an alternative to DMSA, but not to ALA. I used to be against DMSA because it wasn't natural but changed my mind after enough research and then actually trying it. It only very slightly increases urinary excretion of minerals like Zinc, but has a significant effect on your body's ability to excrete lead and mercury in the urine. It also makes circulating mercury in your blood less likely to react with your cells and damage them since its more attracted to the DMSA....something which a sauna does not do.

Sauna's will not touch brain mercury though. Once mercury vapor, methyl mercury, or ethyl mercury go into the brain and convert to inorganic mercury, its pretty much not coming out without the assistance of something like Alpha Lipoic Acid. Even if your body is completely clean of mercury it won't diffuse out of the brain...it just can't cross the blood brain barrier once in its inorganic form. But of course you have to be free of amalgams for a few months before trying any ALA.

Gdawson, yes i know and agree that something like ALA should be used later in the process, and that sauna use does not protect from redistribution.

However, the statement that saunas will not touch brain mercury is a TOTAL LIE, a Cutler lie! Andy Cutler is a great man in regards to detox science, however, HE IS NOOOOOT GOD.... He is not 100% right about a lot of things, think about that "possibility".....

Saunas sweat out brain toxins like a rejuvenating device!!! Infact, the scull is where you sweat the most! Saunas are hottest above and coolest below in the room..

With me, head in what sweats most, in there.... And this rids dementia and focus problems in me, for sure!

More heat, more sweat, less heat, less sweat. As heat travels upwards, the head region while in the sauna gets hotest... LOGIC..... And my head sweats like a.... yeah.. like ah..... yeah....

Sure, it may not be mercury coming it, it may be aluminium, i have no proof of what it is i'm ridding my head of, but im pretty sure it's metals, and i'm pretty sure it's mercury too... assumption..... yes.... but from what I know about mercury and the head, i'd say i have cleared my head of lots of MERCURY in the sauna!
Also from judging how i feel....

Have i cleared my head from lots of lots of toxins, like mercury and aluminium, just from using the steam sauna?... OH YES!

What else can it be then....... what else thean mainly aluminium and mercury causes thinking problems, focus, and moderate short term mem troubles..... ? fungi toxins?

Ofcourse heat can sweat out metals from the brain..... through the skull or soft tissues...... there is no BBB there..... only a "skin brain barrier".. if you will.....

Anyhow what the reason or mechanism is...... I'm better in my dear old head because of the lovely steam saunas i have taken...
Thats a fact!

With Respect Gdawson.... Blind Cutler followers......... (i assume)... It's like a Cutler RELIGION out there..... it's like..... OH IT'S ON TV, THEREFORE IT MUST BE TRUE....

Oh.... Cutler said so.... therefore it must be law...... and truthful....

Yeah, maybe A. Cutler is right about the merc in the brain... other scientists say the same as Cutler regarding how much merc is in an autopsied brain in it's 80's or 90's...... but i don't buy it!

It's not that squared or boxed..... Logic dictates that sweat and heat will rid the brain of metals! And my brain health is witness to that! I'm not lying.

Heat is vibration, and no stubborn mercury can whitstand enough vibration like any atom or molecule... no matter what.... It will loosen in there when heating up... the question is, will i get out too?... Yes i think so... or else i would have gone cocco by now.....

Am not trying to offend you gdawson, or anyone else who likes Cutler a little too much to question him..... I question everything, however, i'm just adding a little logics where Cutler book or interpretation lacks logic..... Please don't take offence... Thats not my point here.....

But the brain will get "younger" from sauna use.... Thats a fact! I can testify to that!



Thanks for pointing out the redistribution facts of Sauna vs DMSA gdawson, others say that garlic will do the same btw..... garlic + sauna should = safer, some say...

I have not tried that because of not wanting to double the risks of mobilized mercury.... I.E... logic the other way around....

Well well,, all in all.. i disagree on the brain mercury statement regarding saunas, for me...... It's allmost like my head clears more than my body from sauna usage! And that is only logical when knowing the heat laws, or thermodynamic laws....



Take no offence gdawson, thanks for the argument, good points, but it's ONLY Cutler science..... I mean, no offence to Cutler either, but he is biased, most of us are! Thats a fact...

My head has atleast gotten better, much better too!

And btw... dry lips will serve as a warning that one is dehydrated...

And flavour has nothing or little to do with pleasure btw, flavour sensors in the mouth is a tool to warn or encourage you to match your food cravings with what you actually put into your system....

After taste too.... that is a sign that you had too much of something...
Salty aftertaste? Too much salt during that meal!
and so on....

I have scalp psoriassis, and some say that psoriassis is toxic overload, and I say further that psoriassis IS mercury comming out... via the skin... some bodies in panic does that as last resorts it seems...

So i'm saying that scalp psoriassis is getting better, sloooowly, and brain health increases too, i'm beginning to get young up there again... now and then....
I'm a software programmer, and i know when my brain is working flawlessly or not, and sauna does help! NO ONE, uses their brains more than software programmers! Not even chess players.... I think i know when it works satisfactory enough or not...

The mercury is comming out via the scull and soft tissues, via the skin via psoriassis up there.... I'm betting that if tested, then psoriassis flakes would show heavy metals in them!

So there is the logic, theory, the assumptive, and experience based proof!
Thats enough for me.... for now....

Another point in this is that some say the the BBB can get damaged from mercury... so in that case merc may come out as easily as in.... But if that was the case, then i would have suffered from migrains and headaces all the time, possible not even lived....... so.....

Nay...... Sauna rids the brain of mercury.... Thats a fact, how much, dont know, not too much, but it does...

I noticed myself that my brain was getting better faster than my body, to my amusement..... and bonus i might add....

So i disagree with Cutler conclusions there..

Even Hulda Clark btw, does not sit on all the answers...... allthough she, like Cutler has a lot of answers.... Remember that... always!

The reason why your head sweats so much is a sauna is your body is trying desperately to keep the temperature of your brain down, because you will die very quickly if your brain gets too hot. The sweat is not coming from inside your brain, its coming from underneath your skin and outside of your skull.

You keep on responding using the term blind cutler follower like nobody who chelates following the cutler protocol has done any research. Seriously, please do some research Ole, the blood brain barrier is a real thing, look it up. I do believe you feel mental improvement from the sauna, but all of the body affects your mental state, for instance you can have brain fog because of yeast in your digestive tract.

Here is a quote about saunas and internal body temperature


I'd be willing to bet your brain stays pretty much unchanged temperature wise, so how would the heat from the sauna affect the mercury in the brain if it doesn't get any hotter?

It depends very much on what mercury is bound to. If mercury is freely circulating in your blood or lymph system you will certainly sweat some of it out. If it is tightly bound in some organic complex attached to internal organs, which barely change temperature during a sauna, the heat will not that affect that mercury.

Saunas are great for removing toxins from your blood and lymph systems, and some deeper stored toxins may slowly start to diffuse from deeper within the body organs and into the blood, but inorganic mercury in the brain does not follow this pattern since it cannot cross the blood brain barrier without an aid like Alpha lipoic acid or cilantro.

Oh yes, i know Cutler protocol chelating people has done their research.. I'm just saying that it's typically a religion sortof, what Cutler says....

No doubt the Cutler protocol works and is thought thru, no doubt of that, but i'm saying that Cutler may not always be a 100% correct all the time...

Get me right, i have respect for the people who has been helped by the Cutler protocol, and Cutler's knowledge, in many ways, you people has come longer than me... What i say like some others, is Cutler may not always be right...

And about research, i have done a lot of research myself, however i have not gotten my hands on the Cutler book yet... But..... I have read much on onibasu.com where Cutler posts a lot....

Btw, i do take the BBB seriously...



I agree on that, and that is a good thing, then it can be rid off more easily.

Whatever the mechanisms are, sauna helps, and i belive my mercury loads are comming down slow and steady...

Anyway.. I started sauna knowing that this may be the mild start i was looking for to clear my body enough to get ready for more agressive detox later..

So for me, this is sortof phase 1....

Another theory is that our bodies' P-450 may work better to get mercury over the BBB "naturally" when the body / blood is cleaner from sweating out toxins....

Also remember that mercury AND fat is in a carefully balanced state of agregate flux... I.E.. Our body temperatures is supposed to be @ 37c... and fat changes agregate state and melts @ about 40c.... and probably changes agregate towards solid @ 36 and below.... So...... same with mercury, but the range span is much much wider with mercury for semi agregate change....

Anyway... fat stored toxins can be released in theory by sauna if only increasing the body a degree or two... even halv a degree semi changes the fats agregate states enough for it to let go of mercury easier..... That is my thinking anyway...

Our body's temperature balance like that, is like a Liquid Crystal Display... LCD screen....

Anyway... I belive what you said about deep stores going into "shallow water" stores, also applies to the skin on our scalps.... I belive mercury also gets into the skull from the spinal fluids and out thru the skull into the skin layer, and then out, as psoriassis..... So..... In a way, slowly seeping out...

With all respect Gdawson, I did NOT call you or any other Cutler swearing people blind.... No... I only said that there are other oppinions conflicting with Cutler, now and then..... But i can see how this could be misunderstood as i often speak in a harshly way straight out...

With respect, as said... no offence ment, am just saying there are other logical thoughts and conflicting theories based on research out there than Cutler's...

I for mine, want to think positively at my progress, and have some religion too about my betterment, BUT it IS based on knowledge also, and not blind beleifs and hope... Sorry, i can't seem to get to say what i really want here, have expression difficulties regarding this....

I'm saying Moslems can be just as right as Christians!

I'm a Christian btw... but thats not the point...

So.. anyway.. know that you have my respect!

The people i call noobs are NON of you detoxing fellows, it's the ordinary people on the street knowing nothing about alternative medicine and conspiracies, those people are who i call noobs...

So, don't be offended please, as i have the greatest respect for you fellow detoxers, not noobs, but higher souls...

Yeah, i do have a huge problem with noobs.... Non of you!!

I'm only saying that Cutler ain't God..... He may be silver, he may even be gold, but he ain't the One of the universe, all knowing.... Neither am i, non of us are, I have done some research on Cutler, and i don't always agree, and i'm not alone in that. It's not a belief based disagreement, but an "educated" one..

I have also studied the body at depth somewhat, myself, enough to disagree with Cutler on a knowing basis... so.....

Thats that....

Smile Gdawson, no harm verbally intended towards you. Just other oppinions (not based on my blind beliefs, but my own research).

I'm only saying, be openminded to other explanations than only from one source, even if it sound like it is the only one, correct...

Correct on a 150 things, doesn't mean correct on all things nessecarily (bad english, sorr)..

Respect...

So please take my appologies, it's only that, that Cutler followers reminds me much of Christian fundamentalists..... Closed minded to other possibilities....

That is the only thing i really wanted to put my finger on... A reminder to be more open to every possibility... thats all....

Thank you..

Anyways, from our little discussion, i would conclude that using sauna for a while prior to DMSA Cutler way, would be a good idea, then later, much much later, add in ALA.... and maybe still combine sauna usage to help as support....

Cutler recommends Saunas as far as I am aware. That it can be just as effective as chelating with DMSA. But the same thing - be careful not to overdo things to overwhelm your body.

Yes, later on would be a very good idea to do the ALA chelation. DMSA is not essential, but it is helpful in the early stages with symptoms and reducing extra cellular mercury, which is why it is recommended. Your saunas are probably doing that!

ALA IS essential, because it crosses the BBB and detoxes brain mercury and other organ mercury! It can be done alone, or WITH DMSA. AS DMSA appears to help control some of the symptoms and may increase chelation further. Though one can chelate with ALA alone and detox their brain/organs effectively, it may not be as easy. Depending on how one reacts.

I think the dizziness and brain fog are because mercury prevents oxygen from getting to the brain

My brother started acting a little weird the past couple of weeks. I'm thinking it's because he stopped taking his vitamins and went back to his old habits. He still works and can do all his normal things.

I noticed that he has slow response when I'm talking to him. It takes him a few sec to respond to a question. He's telling me that there is something going on in his brain but he can't explain it. He has no panic attacks or anything. I read that Vitamin B6 is good for the brain support? He started taking GABA last night. Any suggestions guys?

THANK YOU

vitamin B12 and magnesium are important for cognitive function.
The other B vitamins and vitamin c are also important. Imo it isn't a good idea to take plenty of B6 without the other B vitamins. Choline and carnitine may also be helpful, as well as fish oil.

Thanks, we started giving him B vitamins + fish oil yesterday. Lets see if it helps him. He looks really out of it right now, sleepy at times even during the day. He was always energized , doing many things and never be tired. Can you suggest anything else?

Also I wanted to ask you whats a good supplement for stress relief for a normal person? What would you recommend?

Really Appreciate it.

I was really pushing his buttons to get every little detail from him these last couple of days and he told me that he has been hallucinating a lot where he had visions of illusions. Didn't think the things were there but they were actually there and he was saying that he knew it was there but he needed to make sure by touching on it or feeling it. He also said that there are days when his mind has racing thoughts where he thinks about everything and can't make it stop. After taking the vitamins he told me that he started seeing little improvements but he still hallucinates lightly. Does it mean that he still has mercury in his body which is not showing up on his hair tests?

I also wanted to ask you guys if I should give him Algin, Colloidal Silver and maybe do some bentonite clay baths?

He has no more amalgams in his mouth from what I can see, but he has like 4 or 5 crowns and I don't know whats under them. Taking the crowns off can be a painful procedure so I dont know if we should do anything right now. What you think?

Make sure he gets plenty of magnesium. Taking GTF chromium might also help. Adding plenty of cinnamon to his food might help. cinnamon helps balance blood sugar levels. Eating 4-6 small meals each day instead of 2 or 3 large ones will also help balance his blood sugar. Is he on a low carb diet? Perhaps he should increase his intake of B vitamins and vitamin c? Is he still drinking the licorice tea? Perhaps he should also be taking choline and carnitine supplements?

Has he done a parasite cleanse? If not, then imo he should do one. Getting rid of parasites might help him greatly. Many here have had parasites.


For most people, B vitamins and vitamin c are the best supplements to take for stress.

He is on Vitamin C, E, B50, B6, B12 + fish oil. You suggest magnesium in capsule form?

We have licorice extract or root drops but he's not using it. Do you think licorice tea is a better choice?

No he never did parasite cleanse but I've been noticing that my brother is losing weight and his bloated stomach is getting smaller. Not sure if thats a good thing.

He sleeps till 12pm most of the time because he likes to stay up late. So he has 2 meals a day which is not good.

What should we do about his crowns?? Remove them now or wait till he feels a little better mentally.

Thanks JK

He's also taking GABA and we want to get him GABA Plus.
I was thinking of giving him OSR because it helped him when he had those severe panic attacks in the beginning.

I read on Dr.Huggins site that B12 is not a good vitamin to take because it can move mercury around in the brain. Is that true?

Some people have claimed that vitamin B12 can methylate mercury. I am skeptical about that.

Magnesium can be taken as capsules, tablets, or powder dossolved in water. I suggest using magnesium citrate or magnesium malate. Magnesium needs to be spread out in a few smaller doses a day,
as taking too much at once can cause diarhea.

A decrease in weight and less bloating is good. Is he on a low carb diet?

Strong spices such as cayenne pepper, black pepper, garlic, horseradish, mustard, and cinnamon help kill candida and parasites. They also help with detoxification.

JK, Do you take B12? I just hope it wont do him any worst then he is now. Yes my brother is trying very hard to stay on Low Carb Diet. He's been avoiding sugars for a while now so thats good.
He actually likes strong spices pepper, mustard and sometimes horseradish.

What do you think about getting Gaba Plus instead of the regular Gaba? And OSR, Algin, Colloidal Silver?

All his problems are in his head right now.

Thanks Much!

I don't know much about GABA. I take plenty of B12. usually with a sublingual tablet under my tongue. The cayenne pepper, garlic, horseradish, and mustard help kill candida and parasites, and help detoxify the body.

Do you take cayenne pepper, garlic, horseradish and mustard in pill or liquid form?

We just did a complete blood work on my brother, and everything showed to be good except for glucose level which was 61. That's low.
Can that be related to mercury poisoning?

"Do you take cayenne pepper, garlic, horseradish and mustard in pill or liquid form?"

I put those on my food. Sometimes before it is cooked, and sometimes after.

How was his glucose measure done? Was the blood taken after not eating for 8 hours?

He actually ate 3 or 4 hours before the blood deposit. Doctor told him it was okay to eat.

He's a little foggy right now in his mind, we bought adrenal support pills and adaptamax from Natures Sunshine and purchased the Adrenal saliva test from diagnos techs.

Not sure if we should start him on adrenal support capsules or wait to get the results from diagnos techs first??

I read that the adrenals affect what goes on in our heads. Do you agree?

Guys would appreciate any suggestions for Brain Fog?

Thank you

Couple suggestions for you.

Increase brain circulation:

Ginkgo/Gotu Kola Concentrate w/Bacopa

TS II (with Hops)

These help me alot. I take 2 TS II daily and I can really feel the difference in energy and clarity of mind.

Russ Thanks,

I actually ordered Nerve Eight and Adrenal Support from your website a week ago. You don't think they will help?

The supplements that seem to help me the most are licorice root,magnesium malate, and olive leaf extract.

Is milk thistle good for brain fog?

Why Dr.Cutler is so against OSR and Chelorex(Dr.Greenberg's natural chelation formula)?? I just don't get it.

Andy has seen alot of backfires from random chelators/protocols, or ones that are pretty ineffective, so he is quite blunt and direct about his feelings on them.

There are alot of chelators and protocols out there making promises, and practioners with specific protocols/chelators of their own, but if mercury is moved around randomly and is not kept stable, it can wind up going anywhere and everywhere, which I and many others have experienced. There is a very real risk involved in the moving/removal of mercury. I went through alot of this myself. Not only with self experimentation, but trying methods employed by other practioners and I could not cope on them. I knew the mercury was definitely being moved around, but the symptoms were intolerable. I thought I had to go through that to get better and to a certain extent, I am sure I did release some of those toxins in the process, but at what risk? I really got very ill and I wonder if damage may have been done because of going through such extreme torment in hopes to get rid of a little mercury.

No protocol is perfect admittedly and what works for some, may not work for others, but Cutler's has a great track record, testimonies, and seems to work for alot of people. Perhaps not everybody will find his protocol suits them, but again, it's a pretty solid choice! Which is why I recommend it, and also by personal experience.

People have every right to try what they want. People do find other means/ways that has helped them, which is great, but I'd always exercise caution with anything.

About the OSR, parents on the OSR yahoo forum are reporting excellent gains with their children who are taking it.

I agree with you "Samh". OSR was used by my brother at one point and helped very much.

Guys just wanted to update you on my brothers status...

He's been feeling extremely fatigue lately, brain fog is still there and sometimes he feels nauseous. He's been very angry lately and telling me that someone poisoned him and there is no way he would get sick like that. I tell him it's amalgam related but he doesn't wanna agree. I feel so bad I can't take it anymore. I think I'm getting all these symptoms myself from paranoia.
Can someone recommend a doctor in the NY area that specializes in detox following Dr.Cutler protocol. I really want to help him but it's so hard because this cannot be cured in days or weeks.

He's taking ALA, Vitamin C, Vitamin B, Milk Thistle, Magnesium.

Hi Alex,

Please have him quit the ALA (rest of the supplements look fine). ALA is a brain chelator and if used too early on, can pull more mercury from the body/blood into the brain. That's why it's necessary to first reduce blood levels before ever using a brain chelating agent. DMSA is great for this.

It takes about 3 months for blood levels of mercury to reduce after all amalgams have been removed. DMSA can help that 3 months go alot easier than if you took nothing at all and is a good starter chelator because it can really help clear the body areas of mercury before one starts taking any brain chelating agent.

I know what this agony is like and like your brother, I was in a dire state. I got so bad in fact, I even suspected a member of my family MUST be poisoning me, because it wasn't possible to be this sick and stay this sick for so long. I even accused them of it. I can't even fathom I believed such a thing, but that's what it can do to a person.

I'm not sure who in the NY area would follow Culter's protocol, and hope someone might get on here and advise you. I did his protocol from his book "Amalgam Illness, Diagnosis and Treatment". I ordered DMSA and took it according to Cutler's instructions and then my behaviour began to "stablise" more.

Since that time however, Cutler has suggested people use a lower dose of DMSA than his book states, because it appears there are many people who cannot tolerate the higher dose levels until later as they are further detoxed. A dose of 12.5 mg is a pretty good way to begin. Then taking that every 4 hours around the clock for about 3 days, then take a break for 3 days (or more if needed) and repeat that cycle for a few months.

Cutler's book suggests 50 mg, every 4 hours, for one week on, and one week off as a break and repeating that for about 3 months. This will work yes, but it maybe far too much for many who are just starting. But the protocol remains the same. Just a lower dose and shorter time period. The book is very helpful. Quite complicated, but there is enough there that the layman can understand to get themselves well or at least much improved.

You think nausea and fatigue is caused by ALA?

I can't say Alex, unlikely to be the ALA itself, but the action of it from redistribution of mercury is possibility. Or at least it could be making things unnecessarily worse.

I only know that it is highly risky to use a brain chelating agent too early on and/or on a wrong protocol.

His symptoms may settle a little after stopping it, but they may not and he may need DMSA to start making things more stable.

I am of course guessing and it would be great if Andy Cutler would get on here as he has occassionally.

Bex thanks for your response. I forgot to mention one more supplement that my brother is taking. Lecithin. Dr.Cutler suggested it.

It be nice if Dr.Cutler could join my thread but he prefers yahoo boards.

you're welcome.

Yeah, would be great if Andy would get on. Perhaps you could copy and paste what you've told me here over there and see what response you get? andy may even reply to it too.

If you can get hold of some DMSA for your brother, he could start taking small doses of it, as long as he does it every 4 hours (which is the most important aspect). Not fun to wake up during the night, but it is necessary and worth it. If he can do that for at least 3 days on, and 3 days (or more) off and just keep repeating this cycle, he may find his symptoms become a bit more tolerable and hopefully will start noticing some positive improvements.

This helped me a great deal.

I have used it after getting a very bad backfire effect from another protocol/product I used, which mobilised mercury everywhere and made me horribly sick. And getting on the DMSA every 4 hour routine actually helped make things stable again.

In the end, I realised it was the only way I was able to chelate the mercury without going out of my mind.

Just an update to my friends here...

He's having minor memory loss, attention deficit, some brain fog and has hard time falling asleep at night.

Any new suggestions guys? It's been 6months since we removed the amalgams.

Thank you

ALA can cause candida to flare up. Is he taking any antifungals? Imo a potent olive leaf extract is good to take. So is molybdenum(500 mcg or 1,000 mcg a day). Make sure he drinks enough water.
taking DMSA together with ALA usually produces much less severe side effects than taking ALA alone. He should make sure that he eats enough fiber, as almost all the mercury removed by ALA goes through the bowel.

Is his diet good? Is he getting enough iron and copper? Does he get plenty of sunlight? If not, then perhaps he needs a vitamin D supplement? I take 2,000 units a day of vitamin D. Taking a carnitine supplement might help his energy level. Using a vitamin B12 nasal gel might also be helpful.

I have stopped using ALA and DMSA for now and am on a high dosage iodine(48 mg a day) regimen.

www.iodine4health.com

adrenals

Adrenals are part of the equation, but what is the primary cause?
Adrenal and thyroid problems may be due to mercury. It clogs the binding sites for essential metals. Is he taking selenium supplements? I am on a high iodine(48 mg a day) regimen. That plus some strong olive leaf extract seem to be helping me. I am feeling much better now than I was a few weeks ago.

Is he still nausious? I was very nausious when I was having my amalgams replaced? I think it may be due to the mercury. I noticed that when I became constipated during chelation, I felt much worse. Chelation causes plenty of mercury to move through the bowels, which can cause candida to overgrow. Is he taking olive leaf or other antifungals? The candida overgrowth and other dysbiosis contributes to the constipation many mercury toxic people have. Is he drinking licorice root tea? That helps with detoxification by increasing bile flow. It also stimulates the adrenals, and helps relieve constipation. Is he getting enough iodine,zinc, magnesium, iron, and copper?



http://iodine4health.com/special/metals/metals.htm
http://www.herbwisdom.com/herb-licorice-root.html

Thanks for your responses. He's taking fish oil, licorice and olive extract.

Right now he has pain under his crown that was put on recently. The tooth under it is dead having root canal done on it years ago. I read on one of the sites that you should yank the dead teeth because they grow bacteria etc... Do you think he should do that or leave it alone?

I myself have like 4-5 root canal teeth with crowns on them. I've been feeling sick lately too....high blood pressure, diarhea and nausea. I will probably start detoxing soon too...who knows I might have toxins in my body too

He should rinse his mouth a few times a day with very warm salt water(as warm as he can comfortably tolerate. Use one teaspoon of salt in a cup of water). This will help reduce the pain and help heal any infection that might be there. Often people have some discomfort after a crown is installed. This should decrease with time.

Diarrhea and nausea could be due to an infection. Are you taking in too much salt? If your blood pressure is high, you should not be taking in licorice root. Perhaps you should take extra vitamin c, olive leaf extract, and raw garlic. Are you taking in enough potassium? Fruits, vegetables, and milk are all high in potassium. Do you drink enough water? Even just dehydration can cause nausea. Parasites can also cause the symptoms you have.

So you think it's fine to have a root canal tooth in the mouth?

I will tell him about salt water rinse. Thanks

I'm going to a doctor today to get my blood work done just to make sure everything looks good. I take 2000+ a day , drink plenty of water but high blood pressure doesn't go away. I don't eat too many fruits and vegetables. I should start...I also took forkskolin which should help with high blood pressure.

"So you think it's fine to have a root canal tooth in the mouth?"

I have three of them. It isn't great, but the alternatives such as implants or bridges are much worse.

I get nausea when I take too many supplements. I am for supplementation but I have problems when I take too many.

If a root canaled tooth doesn't hurt , you should leave it alone . If the tooth hurts, it is probably infected and it needs to go . I had root canaled teeth that hurt but appeared normal on xrays for years until the signs of infection were apparent so just because x rays are normal doesn't mean the root canaled tooth isn't infected.

What do you have against implants JK ? Aren't they better than having a chronically infected root canaled tooth in your mouth ?

"I get nausea when I take too many supplements. I am for supplementation but I have problems when I take too many."

They need to be taken right after eating a large meal. You also need to take high quality supplements and avoid things like iron sulfate or calcium carbonate that can cause digestive discomfort. For iron supplements, use iron bisglycinate. For calcium, use calcium citrate or calcium ascorbate. Use niacinamide rather than niacin. Use a buffered form of vitamin c, such as calcium ascorbate or magnesium ascorbate.

Despite what many try to make you believe, only a small percentage of root canaled teeth are chronically infected. If a root canal is done improperly, it can get reinfected, and needs to be repiared, or the tooth extracted.

Sometimes people get pain or behaps the body tries to reject an implant. Getting an implant seems like a much more complicated proceedure than a root canal, and should be avoided, unless perhaps the alternative is having an empty space there or a bridge.

Often when a root canaled tooth hurts, it is an infection of the gum, and not the tooth itself. If all the nerves in the tooth were removed, I can't see how the tooth itself could hurt. I guess if a root canal is done improperly, some of the nerve remains.

I take calcium citrate and I take it and other supplements with meals and I taks ester C.

I have had root canals redone because of infection and they still hurt and had to be extracted. I did not have gum problems associated with these teeth . You make an interesting point that teeth that have had their nerves removed should not have anything left to get infected , but many of us have had root canaled teeth get infected for some reason.There might be organic matter left even after the nerve is removed that attracts bacteria.

"You make an interesting point that teeth that have had their nerves removed should not have anything left to get infected "

I didn't say they can't get infected, but without nerves to sense pain there can't be any pain. There could still be infection though. That infection could put pressure on or infect the gums or some other underlying structures that have nerves, and give you pain. From what I understand though, failed root canals are often due to part of the nerve not being removed, although they could be due to reinfection due to not being properly sealed.

My gums are not swolen. Usually if there infection you get pus and stuff. I thought about pulling the tooth but not sure now. I'm very sensitive to hot and cold temperatures. I think my headaches can be due to this tooth.
I had all my amalgams replaced 5 months ago. Also replaced 4 metal crowns on root canal teeth to metal free crowns.
I don't know what else to think...it could all be related to mercury...

Alex, rinse your mouth with warm salt water a few times a day. A tooth with a root canal is bothering you? How long ago was it worked on? Sometimes if takes a while for the tooth to settle down after a root canal. Sometimes if a root canal is done improperly it needs to be done over, or the tooth pulled. If it is not getting worse, then have patience, and keep rinsing a few times a day with salt water. It might settle down after a while.

There could be plenty of mercury within the gums or other structures near the teerg. My gums were guite irritated for a long while after my amalgams were replaced.

YES, I had a root canal on it 6-7 yrs ago but replaced the crown on it a few months back. I don't think it bothered me this much with the old crown.

I was reading an article last night about magnetic pulser therapy for root canal teeth by Dr.Beck
This doctor suggests that all root canal teeth should be pulled.
Did you ever hear about it ?

If you get the tooth pulled, what will you do to replace it, an implant or a bridge?

In my case at least, the discomfort after getting my amalgams replaced seemed to be infections of the gums and other mouth infections. They could have also been due to mercury being released from my jaw. Almost all the problems were around my lower teeth.

Have you done any chelation? Are you taking olive leaf extract?

Have you gotten a good dental cleaning recently? I had some painful dental cleanings, but after each cleaning my gums felt much better.

I had a cleaning last week actually. He cleaned around the crowns and they bled hard. He told me that I should floss more around them. The pain is still there.

I'm taking a good chelation multi vitamin supplement.

I got my brother the olive leaf extract and he's taking it. Why should I take it? Is it going to relief pain?

"I got my brother the olive leaf extract and he's taking it. Why should I take it? Is it going to relief pain?"

It might, or it might temporarily make the pain worse. If you have infections in your mouth, it may help cure them, but you may feel worse temporarily due to die off reactions candida or bacteria are being killed.

Do you rinse your moth with warm salt water? Rinsing with warm salt water, and using Listerine advanced helped me. I also like using 'The Doctors" brand platic tooth picks. I use them before I floss.

I started to rinse my mouth with salt water a few days ago. It kind of helps actually. I'm using regular salt. Is that okay?

Yes. Regular salt in very warm water is the best thing for rinsing your mouth. Use a teaspoon of salt in a cup of water, and use warmest water that you can comfortably tolerate. rinse your mouth a few times a day.

Don't understimate the healing power of salt water! Many people seem to ignore it, thinking it is so simple that it can't work. Salt water helps the gums get rid of everything that doesn't belong in the gums, including trapped food, and infections. It also helps sooth inflamed gums and reduce inflammation. Chamomile tea is another thing that helps sooth inflamed and infected gums.

Thanks JK. I read before that intake of regular salt is very bad for health and can cause cancer etc. Many people recommend sea salt. Can I used that instead?