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Smallpox... Largest Epidemics Occurred in the Most Highly Vaccinated Populations #581
10/12/03 01:11 PM
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"Smallpox was on the way out, indeed epidemics disappeared decades before the WHO decided to conduct the final "eradication" campaign. It is also well-documented that the largest epidemics occurred in the most highly vaccinated populations, while whose who were unvaccinated, did not have the same epidemics."

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/scheibner.html

Dr. Viera Scheibner


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Re: Smallpox... Largest Epidemics Occurred in the Most Highly Vaccinated Populations #582
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I assume that you are including the native North/South Americans who were devastated by small pox transmitted by the explorers?

I guess that we can blame the Inca vaccination programs?

You are editing the facts. For example:
Before Polio vaccine was available, 13-20,000 cases of Paralytic polio were reported each year in the United States. Many of those affected were left in braces, crutches, wheelchairs or even iron lungs.

By 1999, as a result of global immunization efforts, there were 2,883 documented cases in the world.

Pre-1999 the incidence of 20-30 cases of vaccine-incuced polio were considered acceptable given the fact that between 13,000 and 20,000 cases were prevented. After-1999, the story changes, given the fact that there is now virtually no reported "wild" polio in the United States. At this point, polio "epidemics occur in the most highly vaccinated populations".

It is ALL about risk/benefit. When polio was more prevalent, the risk of the oral vaccine was acceptable. With polio being all but eradicated in the US the risk is lower, thus tilting the risk/benefit to a safer injected vaccine. If we were to eradicate polio worldwide (unfortunately it is becoming epidemic in some areas), the polio vaccine will no longer be acceptable at all JUST LIKE the small pox vaccine.

Your posts ignore ANY of the benefits of the vaccines in the form of preventing these horrific diseases. By doing so, you are using partial truths and doctored data that does not lead to the "truth". True, certain vaccines have caused as much or even more trouble than good. Examples would be the previously aborted Rotavirus vaccine (which I am loath to say is being reintroduced in a different form). This caused several deaths in the United States due to intussuception. The risk of Rotavirus is low, and as such risks from the vaccine are unacceptable.

However, seeing the junk science used in this forum to bash all vaccines...well, it borders on unethical. There are clear benefits from vaccination, so throwing all vaccines out as some sort of conspiracy theory will lead to death and suffering.

Please post less of a biased viewpoint on medical matters or refrain from posting. Many people view information on the internet as the utter truth, and will thus be misled by your poorly researched views.

I hope that you will be able to answer for your actions when this life is over since such poor posts will invariably lead to the deaths and suffering of others. When your time is through, will you be able to say that you hurt fewer people than you helped?

Pride and Misinformation #583
03/02/06 03:50 AM
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Hey Doc Jeff,

Welcome to our forum.

Your post suffers from the same problem that modern dentists and the ADA do when they continue to spout the wonderful benefits of mercury-amalgam fillings; and that problem is...

They're just repeating what they've learned in school, and unfortunately, some of the things (not all) they learned in school were junk science that was politically and financially motiviated.

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By 1999, as a result of global immunization efforts, there were 2,883 documented cases (of polio) in the world.


You made the previous statement in your post, however, you are making a huge assumption, and the video I recommend below deals squarely with this assumption. In fact, it's often very embarrassing to those who have held your position and then seen how the truth about the polio vaccine has been twisted in what-would-be-hilarious-if-it-wasn't-so-serious and blatant ways.

If you don't review the scientific information from the source, that is—from the medical and scientific literature—for yourself, then you are as guilty as dentists who continue poisoning people by implanting hightly toxic substances in their bodies if you are administering vaccines.

You need to get the following DVD and watch it immediately. ALL of the information it contains is from mainstream medical literature:

http://herballure.com/vp/strbc

This information uncovers the truth about vaccines one-by-one, and shows—directly from mainstream medical literature—how the media and medical schools lie about the numbers and grossly exaggerate the risks and dangers of these diseases versus the benefits of the vaccines in order to line their pockets.

The fact is, based on the medical literature I've seen, it's likely that most or all vaccines have a higher morbidity and mortality rate than the diseases they claim to prevent. Of course, if you study the literature carefullly—as the video does—you will find that that many vaccines don't claim to be effective AT ALL. They use zero (0) as their baseline of effectiveness. The elimination of disease in our age is due much more if not completely to hygiene rather than vaccines.

I grew up in a medical family, seen the walk, heard the talk, and my company now has our noses in medical research almost daily. Anyone who has done the amount of reading of research that we have will draw an amazingly-clear conclusion: That there is possibly nothing more unethical than what modern medicine has done to this world through pharmaceuticals, dentistry, and vaccines.

You and I obviously have the same noble interest at heart. The difference is who we're listening to.

Get the DVD and read the literature for yourself. Do not take for granted that schooling or peers are telling you the truth or are accurate. Far to many people just repeat what they hear instead of checking it out for themselves.

Do not allow personal pride cause you to reply to this post before you've watched all 3 hours of this DVD.

All the best.

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A Few Quotes From The Video

In watching this video, you will see that so much of the information presented is so definitive and logical, it can often be summed up in a short statement. Nevertheless, world vaccine policy continues to fly in the face of this simple logic.


"There is no doubt that the new recombinant hepatitis B virus vaccine has the ability to trigger autoimmunity."

Cohen AD. Vaccine-induced autoimmunity
J. Autoimmun. Dec 1996; 9(6):669-703
PMID: 9115571


"A manufacturer's representative was asked in a 1997 Illinois Board of Health hearing to show evidence that the hepatitis B vaccine is safe for a 1-day old infant. The representative stated: 'We have none. Our studies were done on 5- and 10-year-olds'."

The Congressional Quarterly
August 15, 2000, pg. 647


"...in the end, could vaccination be equated to a massive experiment in genetic engineering? The repercussions of this will be felt for generations..."

Dr. Leon Chaitow
British Medical Journal
April 11, 1967


"In 1998, the number of infants expiring the day following vaccination was 23. In 2000, the CDC reported that the number of deaths from whooping cough (pertussis) was 17."

MMWR
July 19, 2002
51(28);616-618


(The context is the HiB vaccine) "After 7 years, the groups receiving 4 doses of the vaccine had a statistically significant (26%) increased rate of Type 1 diabetes, compared to children who did not receive the vaccine. Almost all cases of diabetes occured 3-4 years after vaccination."

Classen, J.B., and Classen, D.C.
Clustering of cases of insulin dependent diabetes (IDDM) occuring three years after H. influenze B (HiB) immunization support causal relationshiop between immunization and IDDM.
Autoimmunity
35:247-253, 2002


"Aluminum is now being implicated as interfering with a variety of cellular and metabolic processes in the nervous system and in other tissues."

Aluminum Toxicity in Infants and Children (RE9607)
Pediatrics Volume 97, Number 3, March, 1996, pp. 412-416


"Evidence exists that a consistent, direct relationship exists between the rubella vaccine (mm>R<) and acute arthritis. ...The incidence rate of arthritis following rubella vaccination of adult women (>25 years old) averages 13-15%."

Christopher P. Howson
Adverse Effects of Pertussis and Rubella Vaccines
IOM Academic press, 1991, pp. 194-195


"The majority of influenza-like illnesses are not caused by a viral from the influenza family but other viruses. ...The flu vaccine does not prevent [illness] caused by the other infectious agents. Therefore, many persons vaccinated with the flu vaccine can still get the flu."

MMWR Nov 9 2001/50(44); 984-6


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Re: Pride and Misinformation #584
03/02/06 03:59 AM
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http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/eletters/329/7463/411

Viera Scheibner,
Principle Research Scientist (Retired)
Blackheath, NSW 2785 Australia
Sept 2004
Send response to journal:
Re: History repeats itself because people forget history

Email Viera Scheibner

Provaccinators have short memories and they always come back to their past
disasters. Once upon a time, there was a tetravalent vaccine. It had to be
abandoned because straight from the start, many babies died from it, meaning
many more than died from the individual vaccines or DPT (three in one).

Then came another three in one: the MMR vaccine. It caused an enormous
upsurge in autism and mumps meningitis all over the world in the countries
that used this vaccine. In the UK the mumps component had to be replaced
with a different mumps virus in the UK - the Urabe virus with the Jeryl-Lynn
virus. However, the frugal manufacturers of the Urabe strain vaccine sold
the MMR containing it to unsuspecting Brazil where it caused an enormous
upsurge of meningitis in the recipients: they used it within a short span of
time (days) in a mass vaccination programme. This time there was no choice
but to admit that the meningitis outbreak was caused by the offending
vaccine (Dourado et al. Am J Epidemiology 2000; 151 [5]).

The logistics behind the switch to the injectable polio vaccine has been
quoted as its inability to cause paralysis. Wrong again! Provaccinators
forgot (or probably have never heard of) the Cutter incident. Within days of
the first mass trial of the Salk injectable polio vaccine in 1.8 million
children the United States in 1955, hundreds of its recipients and their
contacts developed paralysis. The US Surgeon General stopped the trial and
instead of proclaiming the vaccine not only useless but also causing polio,
the provaccinators redefined the polio disease: the classical definition of
polio as a disease with residual paralysis which resolves within 60 days
changed into a new definition of polio as a disease with residual paralysis
persisting for more then 60 days. The cases of paralysis which resolve
within 60 days are then classified as viral or aseptic meningitis,
Guillain-Barre Syndrome, lower motor neuron disease, infective polyneuritis,
symmetrical paralysis and other names. According to MMWR 1997 (Vol. 46, No.
10:221-222), the incidence of aseptic meningitis in the United States
amounts to 30,000 to 50,000 cases per year. When one considers that that
many cases had occurred only occasionally in the pre-vaccine era,
vaccination actually increased the incidence of polio; these days it is
30,000 to 50,000 cases every year, year by year and not just twenty years
apart. This explanation is feasible also because 99% of polio cases were not
paralytic and even the paralytic cases mostly resolved within days and
certainly within 60 days.

Another major problem with polio vaccines is the contamination with monkey
viruses (of which SV40 is just the one best known and researched) which
typically cause brain tumours in their recipients. It is hardly surprising
that Sweden has one of the highest incidences of these brain tumours in the
world: they have been using the injectable variety of the polio vaccine,
which bypasses the bodyıs vital defences more effectively (than does the
oral vaccine), improving the chance of the virus taking hold.

[Provaccinators , spare yourself a breath: polio vaccines are contaminated
with monkey viruses to this day; the problem has not been resolved by the
14-day treatment with 1:4000 solution of formaldehyde: according to Gerber
et al. 1961 (Proc. Soc. Exp. Bio. Med:108: 205-209) this treatment does not
just result in inactivation of SV40 (and polio viruses) which then revert
back to the original virulence in the recipients of such vaccines, but also
is subject to asymptotic factor, meaning within about 40 hours most of such
viruses are inactivated, but after that time there remains a viable residue
of live virulent viruses in the vaccine brew indefinitely. (³The results
obtained in this study indicate that the course of treatment of SV40 with
1:4000 formaldehyde was characterized by a biphasic reaction. The major
portion of the viral population was inactivated progressively at a slightly
slower rate than polio virus. The second phase of the curve indicated the
persistence of a residual fraction which resisted inactivation.²)]

Moreover, there is no benefit from the replacement of the wild polio virus
with the modified, exotic vaccine polio viruses; according to data published
by van Nierkerk et al. (Lancet 1994; 344: 661-664) and Biellik et al.
(Lancet 1994; 344: 1776) in Namibia vaccination not only caused an outbreak
of polio in the vaccinated, it also prevented the development of natural
immunity to the wild virus as shown by the lack of an outbreak in the north
health region: there was no vaccination in this region and no outbreak of
polio. (³The outbreak was limited to the south health region; at least 80%
of infants in this region have received four doses of oral polio vaccine
(OPV) by the age of 1 year² and ³Sa higher proportion of northern children
might have been protected, at least from type 1, by natural immunity, thus
suppressing epidemics. In 1993 OPV coverage among infants aged less than 1
year was higher in the south than in the north. However, evidence suggests
that a substantial pool of susceptibles especially among children ages 1-3,
was created when coverage was low, and the apparent interruption of wild
poliovirus circulation limited the acquisition of natural immunity.²).

Drs Elliman and Bedford: yes the new vaccine Pediacel would have the same
safety and reactogenicity as the standard pentavalent vaccine used in Canada
(both statements unsupported by published facts): miserable. You only write
about the ³troublesome but minor side effects such as fever and soreness at
the injection site². What about serious effects such as convulsions,
epilepsy, encephalopathy and death? Just because you donıt mention these
reactions it does not mean that there are none.

Only irrelevant and flawed epidemiological research ³showed² that thiomersal
in vaccines is not associated with serious neurological problems. Serious
and honest research has demonstrated that mercury is harmful to the young
developing brains of children. Medicos happily warn pregnant mothers not to
eat too much fish containing mercury. Mercury does not change into a
pussycat in vaccines.

Moreover, the mercury-containing preservative in vaccines has been in some
circumstances claimed to have been replaced, the substitute being phenol
which is just as toxic if not more toxic than thiomersal. Vaccines still
contain aluminium compounds and other toxic substances, and, of course, the
foreign proteins (antigens) which are toxic in themselves.

Vaccines not just could, they do overload the immune system of the
recipients. Even one vaccine ³can² and ³does² kill babies as witnessed by
cot deaths occurring within days of birth after hepatitis B vaccine.

Whether administered individually or together, a variety of vaccines cause
serious reactions which can be summed up as anaphylaxis, sensitisation,
increased susceptibility to the diseases which the vaccines are supposed to
prevent and also to a host of unrelated viral and bacterial infections. This
is totally undesirable, considering that unvaccinated children as a rule do
not suffer ear infections, tonsillitis, pneumonia, bronchiolitis, ADD, ADHD,
autism and other modern scourges of children, which are a result of
immunological injury caused by Vaccines. You do not improve health by
destroying the immune system. Modern immunological research keeps
demonstrating the harmful effects of vaccines (Jefferys, Lancet
2001;357:1451). There is only one immunity, natural immunity, which is
achieved by going through the diseases, provided they are not mismanaged by
over- and inappropriate medication, such as antipyretics and antibiotics
which are prescribed indiscriminately whether there is any need for them or
not. Thatıs quackery and iatrogenesis, not science (Scheibner: ³Study first,
judge later.² Australian Doctor, 2nd May 2003: Letter to the Editor).

Vaccines and other medical interventions actually stop the body developing
natural immunity.

There is no need to try to ³protect² children from natural infectious
diseases, there is only a great and urgent need to protect children against
the toxic orthodox medicine.

The last paragraph in Bedford and Ellimanıs article reflects the outrageous
claims of vaccinators about ³depriving children of the benefits of
vaccines². What benefits? What risks of delaying vaccination? Both are
nonexistent.

This is where parents should step in and start to use their common sense and
learn the truth about health and sickness and, importantly, about their
legal rights. Vaccination is not mandatory; even in the totalitarian US
parents call legally avoid vaccinations.

Competing interests: None declared

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