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LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? #44743
11/05/08 03:58 PM
11/05/08 03:58 PM
Abigail  Offline OP
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LATTER DAY SAINTS?? Mormonism... shocked

It's amazing what can result from unsubstantiated claims.

In 1820 a fourteen-year-old boy named Joseph Smith Jr. claimed to have received a vision in which God the Father and God the Son appeared to him and told him that they had chosen him to help restore true Christianity. Apparently not overly moved by this revelation, he went back to digging for Captain Kidd's treasure with his father and brother.

When he was seventeen, he claimed to have been visited by an angel named Moroni, who told him that he would receive the "golden plates" of THE BOOK OF MORMON to translate. In 1827 Smith alleged that he unearthed the plates in Cumorah, a hill near Palmyra, New York. Smith said he translated the "reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics" with the help of miraculous glasses he supposedly received from Moroni. Oliver Cowdery, a schoolteacher and a convert of Smith's, assisted in his translation, although no one but Smith ever saw the golden tablets. In 1829 during the translation, the "Prophet", as Smith liked to be called, alleged that John the Baptist was sent by Peter, James, and John to bestow the "Aaronic priesthood" on himself and Oliver. Early in 1830 they completed their translation, and THE BOOK OF MORMON was publishd and copyrighted.

On April 6 1830, Joseph Smith Jr, his two brothers, Hyrum and Samuel, Oliver Cowdery, and David and Peter Whitmer Jr. met in Fayette, New York, to found a new religious society they called "The Church of Christ." Eventually known as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the Mormon Church was begun.

Soon after, the Mormons moved to Kirtland, Ohio, where they attracted many new followers. In six years they grew to more than sixteen thousand members. Because of Smith's reputation as a charlatan and accusations that his religion was a hoax, the new church had to move several times. Next they moved to Jackson County, Missouri, and then on to Nauvoo, Illinois, but their problems followed them to each new location. The trouble intensified in Nauvoo when their practice of polygamy became public. The exact number of Smith's wives is not known, but is has been estimated to be as high as fifty. When Smith called for the destruction of a newspaper that was outspokenly anti- Mormon, the state of Illinois stepped in to control the dispute and jailed Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum. On June 27, 1844, an angry mob stormed the jail and murdered both men.

After the death of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young became the leader of the Mormons. Young led the group across the Great Plains and over the Rocky Mountains to the Salt Lake Valley in 1846. Finally, the Mormons were granted recognition as a legitimate religion. Brigham Young had twenty-seven wives and fifty-six children.

Today the Mormons claim more than 11 million members, more than half who live outside the United States.

What do they believe? Simply stated, Mormons teach that all gods were originally men and that all men have the potential to become gods. Being a king and priest to God is a step toward becoming a god. They believe that all persons were preexistent and, depending on their good works, go to one of three levels of heaven: telestial (for unbelievers), terrestial (for ignorant but good people), and celestial (for good Mormons). Jesus, who is the Jehovah of the Old Testament, will reign over a millennial kingdom from Independence, Missouri.
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REFLECTION/ GALATIANS 1:8 "Let God's curse fall on anyone, including myself, who preaches any other messsage than the one we told you about. Even if an angel comes from heaven and preaches any other messasge, let him be forever cursed."

Taken from: The One Year CHRISTIAN HISTORY
By: E. Michael and Sharon Rusten
confused (most confusing)


Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #44760
11/05/08 07:53 PM
11/05/08 07:53 PM
Abigail  Offline OP
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WIFE NUMBER NINETEEN ~

blushCan you imagine what it would be like to be someone's nineteenth wife?

Chauncey Webb and his parents were among Joseph Smith's earliest converts. They first heard Smith in upstate New York in 1833 shortly after he had produced the BOOK OF MORMON and presented himself as a new messiah who would restore true religion to the world. They followed Smith to Kirtland, Ohio, where Chauncey met and married Eliza Churchill, a Mormon girl of seventeen.

The Webbs next followed Smith to Nauvoo, Illinois, where they lived next door to Brigham Young and his family. In the summer of 1844 Joseph Smith was lynched by an anti-Mormon mob while in jail. Following his death, Brigham Young became leader of the movement. It was during their time in Nauvoo that Chauncey and Eliza's daughter, Ann-Eliza, was born on September 13, 1844, and Chauncey added a second wife.

Two years later the Mormons, having worn out their welcome in Illinois, started west and in 1848 reached Salt Lake City. There at the age of eight Ann-Eliza was baptized as a bishop carried her to a pond and threw her into the water. Four years later her father began receiving proposals from church dignitaries for her hand in marriage.

When Ann-Eliza turned seventeen, Brigham Young began to notice her. More and more she was aware of his staring at her, but that didn't stop her from falling in love with an Englishman named James Dee. When Ann-Eliza was eighteen, they were married. But all was not well, and within a month Ann-Eliza realized that the marriage had been a great mistake. Two years and two children later they were divorced.

Some time later at a Sunday service Ann-Eliza realized that Brigham Young was looking at her almost sensuously while he was preaching. After the service he walked her home and asked her parents for permission to marry her.

Ann-Eliza was shocked at the thought of marrying someone older than her father, yet she felt duty bound to yield to his wishes. On April 7, 1869, Ann-Eliza became the nineteenth wife of the head of the Mormon Church. He was sixty-eight; she, twenty-four. Young kept the wedding a secret, fearing the jealousy of his favorite wife.

After the wedding, Young returned Ann-Eliza to her parents for a while and then put her in a run-down little house of her own. She, like all but the favorite wife, lived poorly, receiving a monthly allowance of five pounds of sugar, some candles, a bar of soap, and a box of matches. She also received bread from a Mormon bakery and a supply of pork.

After a year of marriage, Young decided that Ann-Eliza should live at "The Farm," which supplied his families with food. After three and a half years on the farm, Young moved her to Salt Lake City.

There Ann-Eliza met the pastor of the Methodist church. She began to spend time with him and his wife, and for the first time in her life she had the opportunity to observe a monogamous family. She found herself drawn to the world they represented. Ann-Eliza soon decided that her only hope of happiness was to leave Mormonism and divorce Brigham Young. She went to court and was granted a divorce in 1874 amidst much publicity and had to sneak out of Salt Lake City at night, fearing for her life.

Once out of Utah she began lecturing against polygamy. A few weeks after her escape, Ann-Eliza was invited to the Methodist Female College of Delaware, Ohio. There the president carefully explained the gospel to her. It was like a new dawn breaking. Ann-Eliza left the darkness of her past and started a new life in the light of God's saving grace.
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REFLECTION/ If you are unsure of what to say when Mormon missionaries knock on your door, it's best not to let them in.

"If anyone tells you, "look, here is the Messiah," or "There he is," don't pay any attention. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible they shall deceive the very elect. Behold I have told you before." JESUS -- Matthew 24:23-25

Taken from: The One Year CHRISTIAN HISTORY
By: E. Michael and Sharon Rusten





Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #44785
11/06/08 07:22 AM
11/06/08 07:22 AM
Bex  Offline
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Well, all I know is this. The bible is clear on morality and sin and Pologamy appears to be a serious sin - (multiple adultery).

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The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body." [I Corinthians 6:13] "Therefore, honor God with your body." [I Corinthians 6:20]


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When asked about marriage and divorce, Jesus said, "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." [Matthew 19:4-6; see also Genesis 1:27 and Genesis 2:24; Ephesians 5:31]


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God made Adam, but said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make A helper suitable for him." [Genesis 2:18]


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Moses' instruction to Solomon generations in advance:
Deuteronomy 17:14-20 is God's warning against the polygamist practices of Solomon. After stating that the king [Solomon] is not to get riches from Egypt, nor to amass silver or gold, Moses says, "He must not take many wives" [Deut 17:17].


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"A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well." [I Timothy 3:12]


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God gives us only two other circumstances where a person can marry someone else
1) Through death [see Romans 7:2-3]
2) [see Matthew 19:8-9]


If the marriage was not a valid marriage in the first place.

Anything outside of this is adultery.

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Proverbs 17:15 He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous, Both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD
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Isaiah 5:20 says, "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"


Sometimes we try to justify ourselves in, simply because it feels good and we do not wish to give it up. We may take different attitudes to being warned/told - walk away, block it out, get angry, or possibly the "well, I'm just human, God will understand" stance. Sin has been clearly spelt out time and time again throughout the bible and the serious consequences should we die in such a state! We are to battle against it as though it were our greatest enemy and in actual fact, it is! and put on the armour of God daily. It does not mean we will not fall, but it means we have the knowledge and remedy to get back up with God's grace and loving forgiveness (if we are sincere)! To remain and live in sin knowingly, even after being warned/told one really is without excuse.

Anything outside of ONE man, ONE woman, bound by holy matrimony - is fornication/adultery. Whether it's same sex relationships, sex before marriage, re-marriage (when the original marriage was legitmate) and having multiple wives/husbands etc. No we may not like it, we may fight against it, find any means possible to tell ourselves what we want to hear so we can continue, but it makes no difference to the word of God or the consequences if one continues.

That's what i have understood by reading God's word. And I feel these quotes back that up. There are of course many more that I could try and locate, but I think that's all for now. I'm tired!

Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Bex] #44801
11/06/08 03:00 PM
11/06/08 03:00 PM
Abigail  Offline OP
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Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 15,835 ****
Hi Bex!

Thank you for the time and work you did in gathering all the Scriptures and the typing you did to prove the truth of the Holy Bible, according to JESUS.

I quote Billy Graham,: "We must obey Him. Live the life. Follow Him, serve Him, whatever the cost. And it is costly. In the world in which we live, if we hold on to Christian values and live up to the moral standards laid down by Christ, it will cost us. Obedience means following Christ, even to death.

"Before you come to Christ, you are a slave of sin. Christ's truth makes you free--free from the penalty of sin. No other truth can free you so that you'll never go to hell. Christ's truth provides freedom someday from the presence of sin. Freedom now from the power of sin. Sin shall no longer have dominion over you, if you come to Christ and let Him change you. You can be free, right now, by coming to Chirst.

"You can't change yourself...why? Because I'm dead in traspasses and sins" (Ephesians 2:1). God has to help me change. He has to help me repent. And I have to say, "O God, help me to repent." Not only do we have to repent; by FAITH we must also receive Christ into our hearts as Savior and Lord."
(words taken from: Christ The Truth/ Billy Graham
Decision Magazine November 2008)

Blessings, Abishag <><


Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #44804
11/06/08 04:06 PM
11/06/08 04:06 PM
Bex  Offline
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Posts: 4,178
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You're welcome smile. It wasn't too much work Abishag, thankfully there are many who have done the job already on the net. Copy and paste is a wonderful invention! wink

Much easier when you are searching on a particular sin/behaviour and need biblical quotes that refer to this to find them listed by someone who did the job for us. Thank the Lord for those people!




Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #44866
11/08/08 12:55 AM
11/08/08 12:55 AM
Jeanie  Offline
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Originally Posted by Abishag
WIFE NUMBER NINETEEN ~

blushCan you imagine what it would be like to be someone's nineteenth wife?

Chauncey Webb and his parents were among Joseph Smith's earliest converts. They first heard Smith in upstate New York in 1833 shortly after he had translated produced the BOOK OF MORMON and presented himself as a new messiah [b] not a new messiah but one who would be an instrument in restoring the fullness of the Gospel from its apostate state who would restore true religion to the world. They followed Smith to Kirtland, Ohio, where Chauncey met and married Eliza Churchill, a Mormon girl of seventeen.

The Webbs next followed Smith to Nauvoo, Illinois, where they lived next door to Brigham Young and his family. In the summer of 1844 Joseph Smith was lynched by an anti-Mormon mob while in jail. You almost sound like you would've been there yourself martying a prophet of God given the chance? Following his death, Brigham Young became leader of the movement. It was during their time in Nauvoo that Chauncey and Eliza's daughter, Ann-Eliza, was born on September 13, 1844, and Chauncey added a second wife.

Two years later the Mormons, having worn out their welcome in Illinois, started west and in 1848 reached Salt Lake City. There at the age of eight Ann-Eliza was baptized as a bishop carried her to a pond and threw her into the water. What??? Threw her into the water? Unless it was fun and games - not how its done - what a crock Four years later her father began receiving proposals Not how it worked. Only those called to practice could practice polygamy. It was not taken lightly and it was instituted for the purposes at that time for survival. There were more women than men and in those days women needed taken care of. It wasn't like today. I'll touch on Polygamy more at the end from church dignitaries for her hand in marriage.

When Ann-Eliza turned seventeen, Brigham Young began to notice her. More and more she was aware of his staring at her, but that didn't stop her from falling in love with an Englishman named James Dee. When Ann-Eliza was eighteen, they were married. But all was not well, and within a month Ann-Eliza realized that the marriage had been a great mistake. Two years and two children later they were divorced.

Some time later at a Sunday service Ann-Eliza realized that Brigham Young was looking at her almost sensuously while he was preaching. After the service he walked her home and asked her parents for permission to marry her.

Ann-Eliza was shocked at the thought of marrying someone older than her father, yet she felt duty bound to yield to his wishes. On April 7, 1869, Ann-Eliza became the nineteenth wife of the head of the Mormon Church. He was sixty-eight; she, twenty-four. Young kept the wedding a secret, fearing the jealousy of his favorite wife. I suspect that much of this is conjecture and would appreciate knowing the source...not from us, no doubt. There are lots of lies out there about members and things that happened and even what we believe

After the wedding, Young returned Ann-Eliza to her parents for a while and then put her in a run-down little house of her own. She, like all but the favorite wife, lived poorly, receiving a monthly allowance of five pounds of sugar, some candles, a bar of soap, and a box of matches. She also received bread from a Mormon bakery and a supply of pork. I've been to Brigham Youngs Historical home. Not likely... He treated all his wives like queens and he was not a pervert as your story is trying to indicate. He was a man of God with a lot of responsibility. The "Favorite" wife would be, instead, the First Wife and they always knew and had say about the going's on. It was not in Brigham Young's character to do the things you are lying about.

After a year of marriage, Young decided that Ann-Eliza should live at "The Farm," which supplied his families with food. After three and a half years on the farm, Young moved her to Salt Lake City.

There Ann-Eliza met the pastor of the Methodist church. She began to spend time with him and his wife, and for the first time in her life she had the opportunity to observe a monogamous family. She found herself drawn to the world they represented. Ann-Eliza soon decided that her only hope of happiness was to leave Mormonism and divorce Brigham Young. She went to court and was granted a divorce in 1874 amidst much publicity and had to sneak out of Salt Lake City at night, fearing for her life. malarky

Once out of Utah she began lecturing against polygamy. A few weeks after her escape, Ann-Eliza was invited to the Methodist Female College of Delaware, Ohio. There the president carefully explained the gospel to her. It was like a new dawn breaking. Ann-Eliza left the darkness of her past and started a new life in the light of God's saving grace. nice?? story - but the darkness you speak of was not the case. Nowdays - the apostate churches which are not part of our church as they were excommunicated who practice polygamy ARE in darkness. I knew a couple and they were perverts.


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REFLECTION/ If you are unsure of what to say when Mormon missionaries knock on your door, it's best not to let them in.

"If anyone tells you, "look, here is the Messiah," or "There he is," don't pay any attention. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible they shall deceive the very elect. Behold I have told you before." JESUS -- Matthew 24:23-25

Taken from: The One Year CHRISTIAN HISTORY
By: E. Michael and Sharon Rusten

Well, This is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. We have the restored fullness of the gospel with the authority of the Priesthood which was lost when the original church died out and the apostasy took over which led to the dark ages. The only real blot would seem to be the issue of polygamy. It is an eternal principle and for a brief time, the Lord commanded Joseph Smith and other called leaders to take multiple wives to care for them. They will be sealed for time and all eternity to all of their wives in the next life. It is how it will be. The church was commanded at a certian point to stop the practice once they were safely in the Salt Lake valley and after they had established a strong base of an LDS population. Brigham Young has much "seed" - many relatives. Family is what the gospel plan is all about. And those in the highest degrees of glory will have continual increase. Women cannot have multiple husbands (Dang : ) but worthy men can. But this is in the eternities. Life will be much different in the Celestial Kingdom for we will be like God and won't be subject to the base human emotions (jealousy, inappropriate relations, etc.) because we will be in God's perfect presence. Anyway...people make this part of history out to be so ugly when it wasn't. And I suspect Sean might even LIKE the idea of someday having more than one wife wink


Last edited by Jeanie; 11/08/08 01:03 AM.

"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as if everything is." Albert Einstein
Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Jeanie] #44867
11/08/08 01:01 AM
11/08/08 01:01 AM
Bex  Offline
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Hi Jeanie,

If you know of quotes from the bible where it supports pologamy from God's perspective, both old and new testament? I'd be interested to view them.

It's interesting that Adam had one wife - Eve and that God did not create multiple wives for Him to set the example for men throughout the ages. It was ONE man to ONE woman.

However, if I've missed anything from God in the bible that suggests it should be otherwise, I'd like to see this.

Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Bex] #44868
11/08/08 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Bex
Hi Jeanie,

If you know of quotes from the bible where it supports pologamy from God's perspective, both old and new testament? I'd be interested to view them.

It's interesting that Adam had one wife - Eve and that God did not create multiple wives for Him to set the example for men throughout the ages. It was ONE man to ONE woman.

However, if I've missed anything from God in the bible that suggests it should be otherwise, I'd like to see this.


I know that old testament prophets often had multiple wives. I need to go to bed cause I'm going to a baptism in the morning, actually, of one of my daughter's friends. However, it is an eternal principle....(Meaning more meant for eternity - it would not be handled all that well on earth as a rule. Like I said - it was used for a time for the severe circumstances that the Lord knew were coming when the saints were driven out west and all over the place before that. It did go on for a while in UT, too, till they were nice and settled (or at least enough so)stopped and anyone doing it now would be excommunicated. In order to be ratified a state they couldn't practice it and we are taught to obey the laws of the land generally speaking. But I'll have to get into it more tomorrow or when I get the chance. Gotta hit the sack.

One note, though..... Those propositions in CA which just passed on the good side for not legalizing marriage for gays?? Our church poured about 24 million in our tithing money to fight that! We normally don't get involved in political issues as a church, but when it affects the family and would have so many far reaching impacts - we had to do it.... You'd be surprised what a force for good the church is. its not this deep dark thing Abishag just painted the picture of.


"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as if everything is." Albert Einstein
Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Jeanie] #44869
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I would be interested to view quote/verse from the bible that endorses/condones/sanctifies pologamy.

His original example and intent was one man for one woman from the very beginning. Adam and Eve, not Adam and a harem. Granted, perhaps that's many man's idea of a garden of Eden, but it certainly wasn't God's.

Even some of the great men of the old testament fell into sin, so we can certainly use them as an example of how even the mighty can fall! Those sins were recorded for our own admonition - e.g. The most righteous King of Israel, David, had more than one wife. It would appear here that God was not happy.

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Deuteronomy 17:17 Nor must he keeps on acquiring more and more wives, for that could lead his heart astray.


David’s wives were defiled publicly except for Bathsheba. But because of David's repentence? He was saved from death. The fruits of pologamy in the bible were evident.

King Solomon the wise. Started out good and faithful. But as time wore on, due to being lead astray perhaps by his own position and power, he wound up with 700 wives and 300 concubines.

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“For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the Lord his God, as was the heart of David his father” (1 Kings 11:4).


It appears, at least biblically, that God never intended man to have more than one wife. Lamech, apparently the first man to have indulged in such a practice, was both a murderer and a degenerate.

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Matthew 19:4 - He answered, 'Have you not read that the Creator from the beginning made them male and female and that he said: This is why a man leaves his father and mother and becomes attached to his wife, and the two become one flesh? They are no longer two, therefore, but one flesh. So then, what God has united, human beings must not divide".


The apostle Paul reinforces God's disapproval of pologamy:
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1 Timothy 3:2: “A bishop, must be blameless, the husband of one wife.”


Jesus came not to change the law, but to fulfill it. He confirmed the laws of the old testament. Jesus makes it VERY clear, that marriage between one man and one woman is God's will. Anything outside of this, is nothing short of adultery/fornication. One man and one woman, united under God to become one flesh. Those who violate such a union sanctified by God, are sinning.

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Jacob 2:24 - 29: "Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord. Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old. Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none; For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts. Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes."



Now, unless God has changed His mind, or has somehow made exceptions, and there are quotes/verses that clearly depict this, then I'd say it's probably unwise to promote, encourage, condone and/or practice such and I'd question anybody who does.

Some will find a few quotes/verses and may twist it in an attempt to mean certain things, but certainly most of the quotes/verses contained in the bible are clear enough that children can understand and live accordingly.

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One note, though..... Those propositions in CA which just passed on the good side for not legalizing marriage for gays?? Our church poured about 24 million in our tithing money to fight that! We normally don't get involved in political issues as a church, but when it affects the family and would have so many far reaching impacts - we had to do it.... You'd be surprised what a force for good the church is. its not this deep dark thing Abishag just painted the picture of.


Good on them for standing up for the family, and for morality and God's law. That's what we should all be doing! That goes also for adultery and fornication. All these things, outside of God's original intention, is a sin and an affront to Him and a scandal to others.









Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Bex] #44882
11/08/08 05:54 PM
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I repeat again, all power to your church for standing strong on this Jeanie. That includes the others! May this be an example to all Christians to stand strong in the face of sin, regardless of the protests of the world. I'd like to bring attention to it by this:

PROTESTS OVER GAY-MARRIAGE BAN ESCALATE IN CALIFORNIA

Angry gay rights activists in California continue to protest the Election Day passage of Proposition 8, which amended the state constitution to restrict marriage to between a man and a woman.

A diverse coalition of social and religious conservatives campaigned to overrule a state Supreme Court judgment six months ago that legalized same-sex marriage and saw 18,000 gay and lesbian couples marry in the Golden State.

Ballot initiatives to illegalize gay marriage also passed in Florida and Arizona on Tuesday.

Supporters of same-sex marriage are aiming their wrath at the Mormon church, which raised $20 million of the overall $75 million that was spent to promote the California initiative.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints also encouraged its members to volunteer their time for the campaign.


"The vote's been passed and we're happy with that result, obviously," said Kui Gomez, a member of the Mormon church. "And you gotta remember it wasn't just the Mormon church that donated money. Evangelicals, the Jewish synagogues, Catholic churches" also contributed, Gomez said.

A group of protestors plans to rally Friday in front of the headquarters of the Mormon church in Salt Lake City. Protestors demonstrated Thursday outside a Mormon temple in Los Angeles. About 1,000 gay-marriage supporters waved signs and brought afternoon trafficto a halt.

"This is a very disruptive, small group of fanatics protesting because they were unable to persuade Californians of their position," said Frank Schubert, the campaign manager for Protect Marriage, the leading group being Proposition 8.

Gay rights activists produced a commercial that portrayed Mormom missionaries rifling through the home of a lesbian couple and marching off with their rings and their marriage licenses.

Schubert called the commercial a "blatant show of religious bigotry" because the protestors feel comfortable attacking a group that makes up a small percentage of the population.

"They think they can get away with it," he said, adding that other religious denominations are condemning the commercial.

The Mormon church denounced the ad.

"The church calls on those involved in the debate over same sex marriage to act in a spirit of mutual respect and civility towards each other," the church said in a statement. "No one on either side of the question should be vilified, intimidated, harassed or subject to erroneous information."

Gay rights activists accuse the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints of violating IRS rules prohibiting churches from donating to a political cause. The Mormon church says the money came from its members, and not the church as an institution.

More protests are expected to take place in Los Angeles and San Francisco. But gay rights activists acknowledge that their only hope of getting Prop 8 repealed lies with the California Supreme Court, which will consider at least three lawsuits seeking to keep gay marriage legal in the state.

FOX News' Anita Vogel and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Bex] #44943
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Yes, ((( Smiles )))

Marriage is a covenant not a contract.
It's very foundation is from the beginning of creation.
The first married couple was Adam and Eve.
Joined together by God.
It's foundation is Bibical.
From the foundation of this earth.
Thats the first married couple.
Thats how us Christians see it.
It predates way back in time.
To God's first married couple.

Take Care
Lynn

Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Lynnmn] #45570
11/26/08 01:16 PM
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Discerning God's Voice ~

READ/ 1 John 4:1-3

Believing that the LORD still speaks to His followers, we must learn how to hear His voice. We have to develop discernment--many voices claim to be His and yet have nothing whatsoever to do with the true God.

For example, just think of the many cults around today. No doubt, you've seen news reports or televised specials dissecting the odd-sounding belief systems of different faith-based groups. Many of them profess to be based on Scripture, yet they often have certain doctrines that are radically foreign to us; the God of the Bible is completely unrecognizable in their creeds. Obviously, this can pose a problem for those of us in the church who are eager to hear from our Father.

When confronted by different voices that claim to be "true" and clamor for our attention, we remember two absolute truths:

FIRST: we know that the LORD will never say anything that contradicts Scripture. For example, suppose a religious group claimed that extra-marital affairs were somehow acceptable in the Lord's sight. We would know immediately that this wasn't from God, as it directly contradicts Exodus 20:14.
[the LDS/Mormon Church condones polygamy).

SECOND: we know that God won't add to or take away from the Bible. It is His complete and reliable Word. Therfore, anyone claiming to have "more" scriptures or another Testament is a fraud. [The LDS Church follows The Book of Mormons]

EARLY LIGHT/ Two of the Enemy's best weapons are distraction and deception. Don't fall for his lies. Test every voice against Scripture, and ask God for the wisdom to discern His voice among the impostors.
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Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #46457
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Please also refer to "The Trinity and the Christian", posted on this forum January 5, 2009.

"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen." (2 Corinthians 13:14)

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Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #46461
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Hi Abishag, ((( Smiles )))

Extra marital affairs is not acceptable in God's eyes.
And God also calls for us to be fathfull to Him..
Wedded.
Plus..
After the foundation was laid..
Based on the Old and New Testament Scriptures..
There is no more Holy Scriptures after that to be written as
the foundation was laid way back then.
Thats all we really need to know anyway..
Lots of prophecy there already..
It's all been written and anything extra written after that
is not from Jesus' time.
It's not ancient and can't compare to the Scriptures..
I don't believe anything written after the Scriptures and Jesus' sacrifice can be Scriptures.
How could that be??
I've just never heard of that before..
Modern day Scriptures.
To me thats just so odd.
I've never heard of that before I came here.
I never new there was a such thing.
In that context.
Now I know.
I've read it all here.

Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Lynnmn] #46494
01/07/09 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Lynnmn
Hi Abishag, ((( Smiles )))

Extra marital affairs is not acceptable in God's eyes.
And God also calls for us to be fathfull to Him..
Wedded.
Plus..
After the foundation was laid..
Based on the Old and New Testament Scriptures..
There is no more Holy Scriptures after that to be written as
the foundation was laid way back then.
Thats all we really need to know anyway..
Lots of prophecy there already..
It's all been written and anything extra written after that
is not from Jesus' time.
It's not ancient and can't compare to the Scriptures..
I don't believe anything written after the Scriptures and Jesus' sacrifice can be Scriptures.
How could that be??
I've just never heard of that before..
Modern day Scriptures.
To me thats just so odd.
I've never heard of that before I came here.
I never new there was a such thing.
In that context.
Now I know.
I've read it all here.


Yah - I guess we don't need God to speak to His children anymore. It would be pretty evil for Him to talk to anyone other than those he did 2000 years ago. We don't need guidance for how things are now. You guys definitely know better than Him what HE needs to do for us. How arrogant.


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Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Jeanie] #46513
01/07/09 11:26 PM
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Happy new year to you guys! smile

Just wish to respond a bit here.

God's word is forever. The bible speaks to all generations past, present and future and is our foundation and our testing rod. The biblical word is is not privvy to "time" "fashion" "fads" and does not become old fashioned or outdated - The Holy Spirit is the true author behind it and is eternal. The word applies to the people then as much as it does to people today and sin has become no less serious, regardless of the prevailing voice of our time that accepts and even celebrates many sinful behaviours or treats it as the "norm". Basically the bible doesn't have a "due by date". So we are just as subject to God's commandments as we ever were and the word applies to each of us. Indeed God continues to talk to us, not only through His creation, but within His eternal and Holy word and also when we pray to Him with sincere hearts.

Anything that is in conflict with God's word, adds/omits or causes confusion should ring alarm bells immediately. The bible is a clear testing rod that we can run things past - it is THE authority, not a side dish or addition.

It is essential if we are to discern whether a voice is from God or possibly from the Devil or human ego/error. Otherwise nobody can be blamed for falling for deception. However, it would appear we can be blamed, since God has already given us His word in the bible and most of us have access to a bible. So perhaps we have little excuse to be deceived, since whose word are we really listening to? Whose word comes first? Whose word is above and beyond all others?

Any voices outside of the bible that come to us claiming to be words from God should always be treated with caution. Even if they appear to be "good". Satan only requires a small percentage of lies to deliver a pretty lethal poison and I'm sure he's quite happy to deliver 95% truth to do so.

Such words should not ever be treated as a superior source to the bible, nor should they be in conflict/contradiction, but rather should confirm. If they are not, you can be pretty sure that either demonic deception, human error, or self deception/lies are involved. Certainly, the bible comes first without a doubt.

Sadly, it is so often God's word that becomes subject to scrutiny and criticism and run past lofty liberals, rather than the words of the lofty liberals being run past God's. We have such a problem within our church. It astounds me that anybody claiming to be Christian would ever accept man's word over and above scripture - but it does happen. We have some lofty liberals in our church that give a new age swing to the bible, convincing many there is no hell, there is ultimate punishment for sinning against the eternal God and really Christ's miracles are symbolic. Total and utter heresy and the most dangerous kind. All in complete conflict with scripture and total conflict with the basis of Christianity, which in a sense is grounded in miracles -starting with the miraculous and wonderful conception of Christ through the Holy Spirit, His life on earth, His healings/miracles and rising from the dead. So once you start trying to break people's faith concerning these fundamental truths, it doesn't take long before the rest can so easily come tumbling down. In a sense, such a person can create their own anti-gospel and still look like a "nice guy" smile Or even be thought of as "enlightened". I can imagine Satan laughing as more souls fall into Hell, because they listened to the wrong voice.

One must ask - who do we believe first and foremost? And who is the authority? Man or God?

Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Bex] #46521
01/08/09 02:13 AM
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Bex has spoken important truths!

God no longer needs to speak to prophets. He dwells within us. He is closer than a brother.

He has directed us in our lives and has helped Laura and I from making bad decisions.

We once disobeyed His warning in 2000 and ended up investing $60,000 dollars with a con artist. Well, the con is now sitting behind bars, but we still haven't recovered financially.

He also says that His sheep hear His voice. It's up to us whether we listen or not.

The Bible is God's Word to us. It does not change. It should not be added to or taken away from. It is our law, statute, ordinance, advice, and information we need to live right. None of these things change. Only WE should change to conform to His will.

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Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Bex] #46523
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Hi Jeanie, ((( Smiles )))

I would click on reply but when I do..
I can't view the threads above it if I do but..
I think it's been written, all said and done..
Now it's up to mankind to make the choice as this system of things will come to an end.
I just don't believe any new revelations = the old..
That anything should be changed with any new revelations since Jesus sacrifice on the cross.
That it's all been written about already.
I don't think we/I know better then Him..
Thats not what I'm saying here.
I think the Bible is the map.
Of where this world is heading too.
It's not about being arrogant.
It's about..
I just don't believe that anything new replace's the old.
Jesus fufilled the scriptures.
That it was all finnished back then.
From the dead sea scrolls of the (Old Testament) and all the ancient manuscripts found that pertain to the scriptures of the New Testament..
That's what I believe to be true.
Thats the best we got.
Is that..
That there is nothing new after that.
Thats Biblical..
Thats what I was saying.

Take Care
Lynn

Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Jeanie] #46542
01/08/09 03:31 PM
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Hello Jeanie,
I honestly do NOT understand your problem. When we Christians take a stand for the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, you seem to take offense. Then you turn around and thrown your 'insults' at us! Don't try to deny this, as I've just read several of your posts, including the one below.

The Holy Scriptures, the Word of God, Holy Bible is exactly as Bex stated, the Christian's roadmap to the Celestial City. There ARE NOT 'three layers of heavenly life', and THERE IS a literal HELL! Do you contradict the Sovereign Lord Jesus Christ? You do quote Albert Einstein at the end of all your posts, who was a professing agnostic. (A person who believes that the human mind cannot know whether there is a God ...)

As Russ so aptly stated, we Christians have the living Lord Jesus inside of us. "Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday, today and forever." WE KNOW THERE IS A GOD...and HE IS ALWAYS WITH US.

1 Corinthians 16:22 "If anyone does not love the Lord, a curse be on him. Come Lord Jesus!" (KJV= "If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema-Maranatha!)"

Why are you attacking the Christian Beliefs? I have read on several websites that NOT ALL Mormons profess to be called 'Christians'. Well, all the Saints in the Bible were Christians, beginning in Acts, being called such. (Acts 11:26 "..And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioh.)

Let's also address (challenge) your speech, Jeanie.
Having read many of your posts, I must say, that I WOULD NEVER WISH to be a Mormon/ LDS. Maybe you would like to go back and read some of your own posts?

"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man." Colossians 4:6

I will now post this excellent Devotional from 'The Institute for Creaton Research' on The Bible Forum under it's own Heading.

I am quite surprised, however that your homepage states that you are a 'teacher'....of what, pray tell?

"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, WHO IS THE IMAGE OF GOD , should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord..."
(2 Corinthians 4:3-5a)

As an ambassador for Christ, (2 Cor. 5:20) I take great offense that you would have the audacity to say that Satan is/was a brother of the blessed Lord and Savior, Jesus the Christ! Now that definitely sounds like words coming from a 'CULT'! Not my definition, but various Christian Websites.

THESE are MY words, ...I find that accusation above, as blasphemy!

"Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers" (Eph 4:29). We Christians are not ARROGANT! We are not attacking YOU, Jeanie, however we ARE trying to inform those who DO NOT KNOW, that the Mormon Church is NOT a Bible believing/ teaching, place to learn about the Way, the Truth, and the Life---JESUS CHRIST!

Personally, I find it very offensive that your buildings are even called "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints".

Why not inform us about your doctrine, rather than 'throw out your venom', (your own words)!?

"Be ye angry and sin not, do not let the sun go down on your wrath." You betcha' I'm upset! Why don't you knock it off!

JESUS CHRIST is LORD! Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God. Jesus Christ was born of the virgin Mary...conceived by the Holy Spirit. Get your Bible and read it. Better yet, find a true Bible believing Church that teaches the inerrant Word of the Living God.

"I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ; for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; ..."
Romans 1 16.

I have read some of your posts stating, 'those Christian folks'.....well, I happen to BE ONE OF THOSE CHRISTIAN FOLKS!

If you don't wish to discuss Biblical precepts or scriptures, then why not get entirely AWAY FROM THE BIBLE FORUM? You seem to fit in well with several of the UNbelievers over in the Evolution/Creation Forum. Which, by the way, is NOT strictly for UNbelievers.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, the Mormons, is NOT Biblically correct. Now, there, if you wish to challenge that, be specific about your beliefs compared to a true Bible believing Church. Once again, Jeanie, I am speaking of the teaching of the Mormons, not of YOU. Are YOU, Jeanie, being 'arrogant', prideful, haughty???

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Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #47452
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" If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, 16 when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love. 17 He must acknowledge the son of his unloved wife as the firstborn by giving him a double share of all he has. That son is the first sign of his father's strength. The right of the firstborn belongs to him."

Deuteronomy 21:15-17

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Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: JK98] #47453
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If pologmy was accepted/endorsed in the bible, particularly by Christ Himself, He would not have made these statements:

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Mark 10
2 Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?"
3 "What did Moses command you?" he replied.
4 They said, "Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away."
5 "It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law," Jesus replied.
6 "But at the beginning of creation God `made them male and female.'
7 `For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,
8 and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one.
9 Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
10 When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this.
11 He answered, "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.
12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."


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Matthew 19
3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?"
4 "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator `made them male and female,'
5 and said, `For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'?
6 So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
7 "Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?"
8 Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."


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Matthew 5
31 "It has been said, `Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.'
32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery


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Luke 16
18 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.


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1 Corinthians 7
10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband.
11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.
12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her.
13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him.


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Moses' instruction to Solomon generations in advance:
Deuteronomy 17:14-20 is God's warning against the polygamist practices of Solomon. After stating that the king [Solomon] is not to get riches from Egypt, nor to amass silver or gold, Moses says, "He must not take many wives" [Deut 17:17].


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"A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well." [I Timothy 3:12]


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Heb 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.


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Jer 29:23 Because they have committed villany in Israel, and have committed adultery with their neighbours' wives, and have spoken lying words in my name, which I have not commanded them; even I know, and am a witness, saith the LORD


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Jas 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.


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1Co 7:2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.


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Joh 4:17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:
18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband:


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1 Timothy 3:2: “A bishop, must be blameless, the husband of one wife.”


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Jacob 2:24 - 29: "Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord. Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old. Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none; For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts. Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes."


From the beginning, it was ONE man, for ONE woman and TWO become ONE flesh. Nowhere does God endorse/support pologamy, but instead has condemned such as adultery. We have to remember that certain practises that did indeed occur in the old testament were not pleasing to God (King Solomon is one such example) and Christ told the apostles why such things went on was because OF THE HARDNESS OF YOUR HEARTS!

Pologomy is nothing more than MULTIPLE ADULTERY! Jesus does not recognise even divorce, unless there the marriage was a sham or there are such grounds for divorce that Chris recognises. The ONLY allowance for re-marriage is if your spouse has died, or again if the marriage is not valid. Outside of that, as far as God is concerned, the person is still married regardless of them claiming "divorce". Those who are still married who "marry" another, COMMIT ADULTERY if their divorce is not recognised by God.

I'll focus on this quote here just in case anybody missed it:

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Matthew 19:9
Now I say this to you; anyone who divorces his wife - I am not speaking of an illicit marriage - and marries another, is guilty of ADULTERY.


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Ex 20:14
[b]- THY SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY
[/b]


Couldn't be more clearer than all of this!


Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Bex] #47506
02/17/09 12:49 PM
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Hello Bex!

Once again, I thank you for 'standing firm' for the Gospel of our Sovereign Lord and Savior, Jesus the Christ, "THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD!"


Isn't it amazing, Bex, how our Lord Jesus is using this particular 'post' about the --"FALSE DOCTRINE OF THE LATTER DAY SAINTS", to inform people of His truths ??!! The Lord just seems to want to keep it surfacing, and REsurfacing, to God be all glory!

It also never ceases to amaze me, Bex, that so many people want to put true Bible believing Christians 'BACK TO FOLLOWING THE LAW!' Which no man can keep the LAW !!!!(meaning, the Old Testament).

Romans 8: Verse 2) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me FREE from the law of sin and death- (given me liberty in Jesus).

Romans- Chapter 7: verse 7... 'The Advantage of the Law'--- "What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the Law:...for I had not known lust, except the Law had said, "Thou shalt not covet."

VS 12) The Law is Holy, and the Commandment is Holy, and just and good.--

The main Commandment that all of mankind CANNOT KEEP is Exodus 20:17 "Thou shalt not covet."

The Lord Jesus Christ came to SET US FREE FROM THE LAW, BEING MADE SIN FOR US! Hallelujah!

Romans 8:2 "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

VS 3) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own SON, in the likenss of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh;

vs 4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Simply put, Jesus Christ, the one and only begotten Son of God, came to set us free from the Law, being made sin for us. Praise His Name forever! Jesus nailed all of our sins to the cross! WE ARE FREE! ....to serve JESUS!

"Where the spirit of God is, there is liberty (freedom)!

Therefore, let's move on to the GRACE we have in the Lord Jesus.

"God's Righteousness At Christ's Expense"= G-R-A-C-E !

"Forsaking All I Trust In Him" = F-A-I-T-H !

Bex, your posts are absolutely FANTASTIC!
Yes and AMEN! All of the Lord Jesus' Words are for us TODAY, just as they were when He said them.

"Jesus Christ, the SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND FOREVER!"

Allow me to add this, Bex, if anyone reading this has ever 'committed adultery', we still have 1 John 1:9 , "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteouness."

As with ALL sins, in sincere earnest of our hearts (for the Lord knows our hearts), we must CONFESS the sins, REPENT of them, and TURN away from it. We cannot do this without the help of the Sovereign Lord Jesus Christ.

"All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

No one can keep ALL of the Commandments.....Jesus nailed our sins to the cross, being made sin for us. Yes, BUT, we do not continue in the sins!

"He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." 1 John 3:8-9

Jesus said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a man be born again, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." John 3:3.

Thank you, Bex, for all you are doing on this Herb Allure website to give our Lord Jesus glory. Great is your reward.

Blessings, Abishag <><
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Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #47549
02/18/09 06:48 PM
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Hi Abishag,

Thank you also and for all the work you do in Jesus' name on this forum.

I really appreciate you providing the very necessary quotes on the love and mercy of Christ. That is never to be ommitted or forgotten, for all have fallen short of the glory of God, but we have His offer of forgiveness, if only we turn to Him and repent/confess our sins sincerely.

There are MANY false prophets alive in our world today, let alone from the past. Which is why every denomination must examine those making "profound" statements or "claims" with the light of biblical truth as our testing rod - as well as prayer and discernment.

God bless!

Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Bex] #47714
02/22/09 10:41 PM
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I see polygamy as a red herring in discussing Mormonism. I think many people on both sides would prefer to focus on that, rather than the real issues.

Unless it can be demonstrated that God does not recognize any wife after the first, the practice does not constitute adultery.

The more important issue by far is the identity of Jesus.


Dark Matter + Dark Energy = Dark Truth

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http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Falsify.cfm

"To Compel A Man To Furnish Funds For The Propagation Of Ideas He Disbelieves And Abhors Is Sinful And Tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson

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Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: CTD] #47723
02/23/09 07:08 AM
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I believe they are all important issues, as they have eternal consequences.

Christ already demonstrated the conditions that constitute adultery. I've provided a number of quotes that spell this out and are most clear.

Of course this is one important issue amongst many, but why not address this too whilst we're at it? HOw can one claim that having more than one wife/husband is not adultery? - even divorce is not always recognised by Christ (depending on the reason) - so if they divorce when Christ considers them still married, and they go onto marry another, it is said they are committing adultery.

It is clear therefore that marrying another, whilst still married is adultery. How can polygamy be an exception? Christ has set the conditions, but are we obedient to them? Easier said than done for most of us!

The grounds for marrying another, are strict and appear to be limited to (if I'm reading correctly) - death of the spouse (till death do we part), or if the spouse has been unfaithful. The only other of course, I gather, is if the marriage was not valid in the first place - or consumated.

Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Bex] #47748
02/24/09 02:26 AM
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I know not what I should make of some things, if I were to equate polygamy with adultery.

Originally Posted by Matt. 25
[1] Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
[2] And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
[3] They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
[4] But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
[5] While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
[6] And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
[7] Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
[8] And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
[9] But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
[10] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
[11] Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
[12] But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
[13] Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.


I do see your point about the putting away of one wife while taking another. One problem, as I understand it, is that the second wife serves as a substitute for the first. While one in such circumstances might try to argue that both wives are legit, we all know such an argument would be disingenuous.

At its root, what is adultery about? That's the key question. It is about taking that which is the rightful property of one and giving it to another. This is why spiritual adultery is possible.

People tend to forget that the body of the husband is the property of the wife, and hers is his. I have had friends express desire for married women. I ask them "What do you want with a man's body?" They seem averse to thinking about it that way.

So, understanding whose property is whose, let's look at divorce and remarriage: A man takes that which he does not own, and attempts to transfer it to an unlawful owner. Bogus! That's sin no matter how you try to excuse it.

There are several practical issues, and I wouldn't particularly recommend polygamy these days. I would say a man shouldn't even consider it except at the request of his first wive (the rightful owner). ...And that won't happen too often where I live!


Dark Matter + Dark Energy = Dark Truth

"We find that such evidence demonstrates that the ID argument is dependent upon setting a scientifically unreasonable burden of proof for the theory of evolution." - Judge Jones Kitzmiller case
http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Falsify.cfm

"To Compel A Man To Furnish Funds For The Propagation Of Ideas He Disbelieves And Abhors Is Sinful And Tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson

"And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath?" - Thomas Jefferson
Mormon Symbolism [Re: CTD] #47754
02/24/09 03:57 AM
02/24/09 03:57 AM
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Mormon Symbolism

Symbolism is important to all occult practice, and it is by this symbolism that you can discern the source of the craft or belief system.

Below are just a few interesting examples.
(Source: http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/masonicsymbolsandtheldstemple.htm )



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Re: Mormon Symbolism/ [Re: Russ] #48598
03/16/09 07:22 PM
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As true Bible believing Christians know, 'there are NO coincidences with our Lord Jesus'....

The fact that this 'post' keeps resurfacing is a GREEN LIGHT, that we must get the word out about the false doctrine of the LDS, Mormon Church.

I don't do the 'copy and paste' business (guess I should learn)...nevertheless....here is a "Testimony of Brenda", from <www.4mormon.org> , which is to expose the false doctrine of the Mormon Church. It is a Researach for Christians to get the word out. You can go there via the website mentioned above and click on "Testimonies of Former Mormons" , "EX-LDS".

THE STORY OF BRENDA'S EXIT OUR OF MORMONISM --

The Testimony of Brenda:

"I was in my early 20's, honorably discharged from the Navy, happily married, and had my first child. My husband and I were living away from home and we soon clicked with another young couple that lived next door. We learned that they were LDS. Until that time, the only exposure I had to Mormons had been Donnie and Marie Osmond, who had a weekly TV program during the 70's.

Our new friends started bringing our daughter to primary with their kids and eventually we were fellowshipped into Mormonism. I was not raised in the gospel and knew nothing about the Scriptures. My ignorance and vulnerability made me a prime target for the missionaries. I had very few questions to ask and I blindly believed what they taught about Mormonism, and I was told to accept on faith what I did not understand. I was told Mormonism was not Christian, but simply the only true church and only way to eternal salvation. That all other churches were false and created by Satan to deceive us and keep us away from the true church (Mormon church).

My husband and I both came from dysfunctional families and we were lonely for friendship and a substitute "family." I think it was those emotional lures that attracted us to Mormonism. After we were baptized and our daughter Kimberly was blessed, our lives were totally consumed by obedience to Mormon Church's expectatins, doctrines, and callings. Our lives were no longer ours.

MY TEMPLE EXPERIENCE--

As we approached our one-year anniversary in the church, we were told that we should start preparing for the temple. This was an entirely deeper level of doctrine that I was not told about by the missionaries before they baptized me. The temple decor was absolutely beautiful. I remember being surrounded by a pool of smiling faces from our ward. I did not like being separated from my husband while I was there because I was unable to whisper to him about what I was being exposed to, nor talk to him about the "strange signs and tokens".

I remember feeling a mixture of horror, fear, and very uncomfortable. Those feelings were compounded by the guilt I felt because I thought there was something wrong with me for feeling that way. All the "seasoned" temple goers were so happy for me and they shared how much they loved doing temple work. Why didn't I feel that way? I tried to convince myself otherwise and even made myself go several more times. The 24-hour wearing of my 'neawly acquired temple undergarments' constantly reminded me of something amiss---but what?

THROUGH LOSS--FOUND CHRIST

I had no one outside the Mormon Church to talk to about my experiences so I continued to exist in something that was at least familiar with me. It was a result of the 1992 suicide loss of my only child where I found and received Jesus Christ through on-line Internet support groups for parents who lost children to suicide. I learned that God of the bible was not once an "exalted" human and that I was saved without works or rituals. I found peace in learning more about the Biblical God and in knowing that I have eternal salvation.

GOD'S SERVANT--

If I had not experienced the turmoil and pains of Mormonism and the difficulty from trying to leave it, would I have thirsted as I now thirst to bring Mormons into the light of Jesus where their agony would be replaced with joy, peace, and love for their newfound Jesus of the bible? Would they be able to find the way to true eternal salvation? The Biblical God will continue to be with me throughout all my trials. I am so thankful that I am alive for time and eternity, and you can be, too!

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WITNESS FOR JESUS,INC. PO BOX 50911 COLORADO SPRINGS,CO
www.4mormon.org 80949 USA
-------------------------------------------------

Fellow-believers, we must get this word out. The enemy, Satan himself, is out to kill, steal and destroy. Jesus, the way, the truth and the life, tells us that Satan is a fallen angel.

LUKE 10:18 Jesus said to the 70 disciples "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

Prophecy by Isaiah-

Isaiah 14:12-15 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."

The 5- "I WILLS" of Satan, caused Father God to throw him out of heaven. Satan wanted to be like GOD!

It is total blaspheme for someone to say that Satan was a brother of Jesus!!! Jesus was God in flesh.

We read this in COLOSSIANS 1:12-20

"Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness (Satan's power), and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins;

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firsborn of every creature:

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

And he (Jesus) is before all things, and by him all things consist.

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things He might have the the preeminence.

For it please the Father that in him (Jesus), should all fulness dwell;

And having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven."

We accept, by faith, that Jesus Christ is God.

We serve a Triune God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Thank you and may the Lord Jesus open our eyes to His truth!
Blessings, Abishag <>< byebye




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Re: Mormon Symbolism/ [Re: Abigail] #48611
03/17/09 03:04 AM
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Day of Declaration..

There be no room for doubt!

He shall call fire down from heaven (lightening) (Revelations 13:13)
[Which Maitreya claims to be his sign]
He shall have no desire for women (Daniel 11:37)
[Look at the breasts on that Maitreya] and then look at the breasts on the freemason,wiccan and satanist baphomet image.

Maitreya is an Anuk or known as Annunaki. A fallen Watcher.
He will come claiming he is "Jesus" and try to imitate Jesus as the Messiah.
He is a False Messiah and False Prophet who will come to perform many miracles and herald the Antichrist as God.
He will perform miracles and speak religion but he is really the second beast of Revelation 13.
He will deceive many. Even most in the churches today.

Maitreya will be invited by the international media to speak directly to the entire world through the television networks linked together by satellites.
On this Day of Declaration, we will see his face on the television screen wherever we have access..

At the earliest possible moment, Maitreya will demonstrate His true identity.
On the Day of Declaration, the international television networks will be linked together, and Maitreya will be invited to speak to the world.

We will see His face on television, but each of us will hear His words telepathically in our own language as Maitreya simultaneously impresses the minds of all humanity.
Even those who are not watching Him on television will have this experience.

Something important to beware of is to NOT WATCH this worldwide television spectacle.
This Maitreya has dangerous mind control and hypnotic powers and will enslave the minds of those who watch him on television.
DO NOT WATCH IT.

http://www.sherrytalkradio.com/maitreya/index.htm

It also makes sense about the chemtrails that is comeing upon the world right now..
To condition all of us for this..
What Russ has said about this makes sense and when people see this..
There wil be no doubt that the reasons for it are true.
Project bluebeam and the endtime deception..
This is a supernatural event..
Yes the watchers..
The "giants where believed to be the offspring of fallen angels ( the Nephilim; also called Watchers) and human women..
The story of the giants derives from Genesis 6..
Also among the Quram texts are at least six, perhaps as many as eleven copies of the Book of Giants.
Enochic Book Of Giants (4Q532)

Re: Mormon / Erroneous Doctrine [Re: Lynnmn] #51691
07/07/09 07:14 PM
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"If anyone preaches
any other Gospel to
you than what you
have received, let
him be accursed."
---Galatians 1:9 bible
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There are many spiritual books being promoted on spiritual advice. If the material doesn't have the starting point for a relationship with God through salvation in Jesus Christ alone, it is erroneous doctrine. Writers seem to impy that the essence of living spiritually is based totally on good deeds and not on saving faith in Christ.

The culture of the church is changing. And often left behind in the rush to find exciting new ideas is the essential nature of the Gospel. The Apostle Paul was astonished that people so readily embraced a "different gospel" (Gal. 1:6). What he preached was not from man, but a direct revelation from Jesus Himslef. (vv. 11-12).

We must never let go of that true Gospel: Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again for our justification, declaring us righteous before God (Rom. 4:25; 1 Cor. 15:3-4). This alone offers the "power of God to salvation for everyone who believes" (Rom. 1:16). If we want to live for God, this is the only place to start.

No one can say he doesn't need
Forgiveness for his sin,
For all must come to Christ by faith
To have new life within.
______________________________________
FAITH IS THE HAND THAT MUST TAKE GOD'S GIFT
OF SALVATION.

Our Daily Bread
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Re: Mormon / Erroneous Doctrine [Re: Abigail] #51693
07/07/09 08:25 PM
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The Comeing Universal New Age Christ
The antichrist Satans deception

Another Jesus, Another Spirit, Another God,
another gosple is comeing and has been in the works for 2,000 years and warned about in the Bible.
A world wide deception mainly through signs and wonders.
A falling away of the church toward the end of the age of grace -
----2nd Thessalonians 2:3

Giveing head to seducing spirits and doctrine of devils."
----1st Timothy 4:1
The comeing of perilous times ahead.

Isaiah 64:1-2
Oh that you would tear the heavens and come down, that mountains would quake before You.
As the brushwood fire burns, fire causes water to boil, make known Your name to your foes, that nations might tremble before You.

Verse 5: You meet him who rejoices and works righteousness; they recall You in Your ways.
Behold, You were angry for we sinned, In them is eternity, we shall be saved.
But we are all as the unclean thing, and all our righteousness are as a filthy cloth.
And we all fade as a leaf, and like the wind our iniquites take us away.
And there is not one who calls on Your name, who stirs himself up to take hold of You.
For you have hidden Your face from us, and have melted us away into the hand of our iniquities.
But now, Jehovah, You are our Father, we are the clay, and You are our Former; and we all are Your handiwork.
Do not be vehemently angry, Jehovah, and do not remember iniquity forever, Behold! Look, please; all of us are Your people.

No one can say he doesn't need
Forgiveness for his sin,
For all must come to Christ by faith
To have new life within.

Re: Mormon / Erroneous Doctrine [Re: Lynnmn] #53334
09/22/09 02:01 PM
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They Will Not Endure Sound Doctrine --

YEAH, BUT.....

2 Timothy 4:1-8
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They will turn their
ears away from the
truth.
---2 Timothy 4:4 bible

~~IT'S dangerous and the worst kind of arrogance to think we know more about an issue than God does. Scripture predicted this kind of thinking. Paul said in 2 Timothy 4:3-4, "They will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires...they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth" (vv.3-4). This points to people who set aside the inspired Word of God (3:16) in order to accept teaching they think is "okay."

When the Bible clearly spells out a principle, we honor God by obeying Him.

God who formed worlds by the power of His Word
Speaks through the Scriptures His truth to be heard;
And if we read with the will to obey,
He by His Spirit will show us His way.
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THE BIBLE: READ IT, BELEIVE IT, OBEY IT!

Our Daily Bread/DD
Blessings as we go and tell, the Lord's Truth!
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Re: Mormon / Erroneous Doctrine [Re: Abigail] #54024
11/02/09 03:53 PM
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KNOW YOUR GOD --

READ/ 2 Peter 1:12-21 bible

THROUGHOUT the world, and even within the church, one can find a wide variety of beliefs about God. To avoid confusion and deception, we need to know a few essential truths about the Lord.

THE INERRANCY OF THE BIBLE. Unless a person has a firm belief in this doctrine, all of his ideas about the Lord will be subjective. Scripture is God's thoughts written without error by men who were governed by the Holy Spirit. Fulfilled prophecy is proof that this book is never wrong (Isaiah 48:3).

AN ACCURATE UNDERSTANDING OF GOD. The Lord is one divine Being expressed in three persons--Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They are equal in every way, but their jobs differ. Think of the Father as the initiator, the Son as the implementer, and the Spirit as the energizer. All three were involved in creation as well as the plan of salvation.

The Son, who existed in eternity past, came to earth by being born of a virgin. He is the God-man, having added humanity to His deity. He lived a perfect life, died a sacrificial death for our sins, rose bodily from the grave, and ascended to the Father in heaven.

The Holy Spirit is our power source. He indwells every believer in Christ, transforming character, revealing truth, and enabling obedience to God.

EARLY LIGHT/ Our Creator wants us to know Him. Isn't that amazing? He shares His thoughts with us and invites us to enjoy an intimate relationship with Him. Every day we have the privilege of opening His Word and having a heart-to-heart conversation with our loving God. He's waiting for you. Join Him today, in the Holy Bible.

Pastor Charles Stanley
IN TOUCH
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Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
Re: Mormon / Erroneous Doctrine [Re: Abigail] #56580
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I saw all those symbols above, (((( Smiles ))))

And it remind's me of this site.
They have all sorts of interesting symbols over there.
It's a very indepth site too.
On things such as that.

http://www.longcounty.net/pagan.html

Plus Bibical Comparisons Here's More...

http://www.longcounty.net/bible.html

Re: Mormon /Doctrines of Devils [Re: Abigail] #57471
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--Doctrines of Devils

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils." (1 Timoty 4:1) bible

IN chapter one of his first epistle to Timothy, Paul warned about false teachers and heresies in the church of his day, evidently particularly implicating the agnostics and their false skepticism and low moral standards. In our text for today and throughout chapter four, he warns of false teachers "in the latter times," i.e., in our day and in our churches.

Paul had received an explicit (i.e.,"express")teaching from the Holy Spirit. There was nothing vague about it. The false teachers would, among other things, be "forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats" (v.3), with other false teachings implied throughout the chapter. What does this teach us about those who today forbid their leaders, both men and women, to marry? Or those who insist upon certain dietary regimes for spiritual reasons?

These "doctrines" will cause some to "depart from the faith." Evidently, some who consider themselves Christians and yet have incomplete discernment, will fall into the trap of "seducing spirits," espousing the "doctrines of devils." The Greek word translated "depart" is 'apostesontai' which means "to fall away" from an original position, in this case, "the faith." The teachers will typically be hypocrites, "speaking lies," having "their conscience seared" (v.2). "If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed" (Galatians 1:9).

In this time of great apostasy, we desperately need to know the Biblical doctrine concerning devils (or Satan and his demonic henchmen), for their influence has nearly captured American education and culture. But we must be on guard against, and teach others to be on guard against, "doctrines of devils."

Institute of Creation Research ~
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JESUS IS LORD! JESUS IS GOD! We serve a triune God...Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
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Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism/ Lucifer [Re: CTD] #57580
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Like the Most High ~

"I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High." (Isaiah 14:14)-- bible
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These are two of the "I will's" of Satan--or Lucifer--as he aspired to usurp the throne of God as ruler of the universe (see Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:11-17). Not content to be "the anointed cherub," the highest of the angelic hierarchy (Ezekiel 28:14), he wanted to be God, and this monstrous pride became "the condemnation of the devil" (1 Timothy 3:6), so that he is now "fallen from heaven" and will soon be "brought down to hell" (Isaiah 14:12, 15).

Lucifer, of course, is NOT the Creator, for he was "created" (Ezekiel 28:15) himself. It would seem therefore that for him to rationalize his ambition to be like the most High, he must somehow persuade himself that he 'is' like the most High--that is, that God is a created being like himself, and thus can be defeated. He only had God's word that he had been created by Him, and he evidently chose not to believe what God said (just as do multitudes of men and women today).

He, like they, chose rather to believe that the eternal cosmos had somehow created them all by its own powers. The great cosmos (call it Mother Nature, perhaps) has "created" spirit beings, as well as men and women, and all the worlds inhabited by them. In this scenario, the true CREATOR God is viewed as only one of many. Therefore He is vulnerable to defeat--or so Satan evidently believes.

Thus Lucifer became the first evolutionist, and this great lie by which he deceived himself became the basis of his later deception of Eve and then of the founders of all the varied pantheistic religions of the world, as well as modern evolutionism and "New Age" philosphies.

Nevertheless, God is still on His throne, and "the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings" (Revelation 17:14). cross
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Reaserch/ HMM

'The more important issue by far is the identity of Jesus.'

All of the above from ICR attests to the fact that Jesus the Christ is GOD! "I and the Father are One." AMEN!
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Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
Found a nice video [Re: Abigail] #58578
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4yeie4uzKk

It starts a little slow. Gets better toward the end.


Dark Matter + Dark Energy = Dark Truth

"We find that such evidence demonstrates that the ID argument is dependent upon setting a scientifically unreasonable burden of proof for the theory of evolution." - Judge Jones Kitzmiller case
http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Falsify.cfm

"To Compel A Man To Furnish Funds For The Propagation Of Ideas He Disbelieves And Abhors Is Sinful And Tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson

"And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath?" - Thomas Jefferson
Re: Found a nice video [Re: CTD] #58585
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Blessings CTD!

Thank you for yet another Preacher, Walter Martin, exposing the false doctrine of the Latter Day Saints/ Mormonism!

It is a fairly good video, yet somewhat drawnout, and IMO, several topics needed not to be mentioned (ie African American/Negro people), etc....

However, I listened maybe 3 times, and the point that Mormonism is a CULT, is RIGHT ON! Counterfeits indeed! They continue with knocking, even banging on doors (coming in twos/pairs) with their nice style, of virtually making one feel guilty if they don't listen to them.

I actually had two guys faking to be hurt, and beginning to cry because I told them I am a Christian and to leave, because they are teaching a false doctrine. They proceeded to go next door and banging on my neighbors door, they scared her to death! She was so scared, an elderly woman, and she opened her door and said to me, "Those two guys scared me so bad and they were banging on my door, and yelling at me, something about the Latter Day Saints!" She was almost in tears.

Mormons are the rudest, pushy, fakes, deceived CULT today! Yes, they deny everything that the true Christian believes, the deity of the blessed Lord Jesus Christ. With the audacity to say that Lucifer was the brother of our blessed Lord and Saviour, God in human flesh, JESUS!

Forgive me for rambling on. Walter Martin is right on about the Mormons! Thank you for sharing! Yes, it does get better in the the middle...then the ending.

Blessings! - cross JESUS IS OUR CREATOR, the INVISIBLE GOD, Lord and Saviour!


Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
Re: Church of Latter Day Saints/Mormons -Seducing Spirits [Re: Abigail] #59425
10/07/10 11:42 AM
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The Mormon Church is teaching false Seducing Spirits. Jesus is LORD ! LDS Church is a CULT!

Seducing Spirits
by John D. Morris, Ph.D.
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“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils” (I Timothy 4:1).

These “latter days” are surely characterized by the tragic departure from the faith on the part of many. Unfortunately, even many of our churches have followed what should certainly be exposed as “seducing spirits,” embracing lies taught under the influence of Satan. A list of such false teachings and practices within the church would surely implicate many. Let us look at the examples Paul gives in the next few verses.

First, he identifies the leaders and teachers of these errors as hypocritical liars who intentionally deceive their prey. They have deadened any possibility of a right attitude by hardening their minds and searing their consciences (v.2).

Next, we are given examples of their heresy: “Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving” (v.3).

Many cults and pseudo-Christian groups have fallen into these traps, but both the institution of marriage and the provision of foods were specifically created by God for man’s enjoyment and blessing (marriage: see Genesis 1:28; 2:18,24; foods: see Genesis 1:29; 9:3). They are to be “received with thanksgiving” to a loving Creator, “sanctified by the word of God and prayer” (I Timothy 4:4,5). Each of these and all of God’s Creation is “very good” (Genesis 1:31), if used properly.

But the main point of this passage is that we should guard against the heresy of false teachers, and from imposing on ourselves and our fellow Christians a false piety—practices which may make us feel “holier than thou” but which, in reality, impugn God and His Creation. Rather, let us be among those “which believe and know the truth” (I Timothy 4:3) of God’s loving provision for creation.

ICR/ JDM --The Sovereign Lord Jesus is Creator of all things visible and invisible. Jesus is the second person in the Trinity. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit! cross




Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
Re: Church of Latter Day Saints/Mormons -Seducing Spirits [Re: Abigail] #59426
10/07/10 12:10 PM
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-- wow
The Latter Day Saints Church have, indeed, turned MANY away from the Way, the Truth, and the Life...Jesus the Christ!

Seducing Spirits
by Henry Morris, Ph.D.


“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils” (I Timothy 4:1).

This very cogent warning by the Holy Spirit, spoken “expressly” (or “with special clarity”) for those living in the latter days, predicts an unusual outbreak of seductive demonism-not just in pagan, idol-worshiping or animistic cultures, but in “Christian” nations, where they can lead many to “depart from the faith” which their forefathers once professed. Christians, therefore, should not be taken by surprise at the vast eruption of witchcraft, new-age mysticism, eastern occultism, rock-music demonism, drug-induced fantasies, altered states of consciousness, and even overt Satan-worshipping cults that have suddenly proliferated in our supposedly scientific and naturalistic society. Behind it all are the “seducing spirits” and “the rulers of the darkness of this world” (Ephesians 6:12).

It should be obvious that Christians must completely avoid all such beliefs and practices. “I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils” (I Corinthians 10:20). “Come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing” (II Corinthians 6:17).

Even “innocent” fun (Halloween parties, ouija boards, dungeons-and-dragons games, etc.) and well-intentioned (but many times superficial) exorcism of apparent demon-possession by Christian workers have often led to dangerous demonic influences in the lives of Christian people, as well as in Christians who have sought supernatural experiences or revelations.

In anything that even touches on occultism or demonic influence, the advice of Peter is relevant. “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist steadfast in the faith” (I Peter 5:8,9). HMM- cross
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JESUS CHRIST IS GOD! HE HAS NEVER BEEN THE BROTHER OF SATAN!
The Mormon Churches are telling lies and deceiving many people! Please, RUN FROM THIS CULT! When they knock on your door, don't even take their pamplets, booklets, or let them come into your house. "Satan walketh about like a roaring lion seeketh whom he may devour." BEWARE!


Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
Re: Church of Latter Day Saints/Mormons -Dangerous Counterfeits [Re: Abigail] #60357
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Beware of Dangerous Counterfeits! LDS Church / Mormons! ALSO BEWARE OF THE JEHOVAH WITNESSES!

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"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21) - bible

Human beings are very gullible, and counterfeiting is a profitable occupation for many deceivers. But spiritual counterfeits are the most dangerous of all, and at times the most difficult to detect. There are many false gods, and this is the subject of the very first of the true God's Ten Commandments: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (Exodus 20:3).

We are warned also to "beware of false prophets" (Matthew 7:15) and "false Christs" (Matthew 24:24). There are those who preach "another Jesus" (2 Corinthians 11:4), and many who come preaching "another gospel" (Galatians 1:6) rather than the true saving gospel of Christ. (Beware of this in the LDS/Mormon Church)

There are also counterfeit Christians who are "false brethren" (2 Corinthians 11:26) as well as "false teachers" (2 Peter 2:1-2) and "false apostles" (2 Corinthians 11:13). They preach "peace; when there is no peace" (Jeremiah 6:14), and some will even "shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect" (Matthew 24:24).

Satan himself is the greatest counterfeiter, for he "deceiveth the whole world" (Revelation 12:9) in his attempt to become a counterfeit god. Thus we are warned to "try the spirits whether they are of God" (1 John 4:1) and to "prove all things"--to test them by God's Word.

(The LDS Church teaches that our Beloved Lord and Saviour Jesus is the brother of Satan! That's a lie right out of Hell!)


In this scientific age, it is especially important that we not be deceived by "science falsely so called" (1 Timothy 6:20). So-called evolutionary "science" is not supported by any real scientific evidence and is contrary both to common sense and the Bible. Many professing Christians have "erred concerning the faith" because of evolution (1 Timothy 6:21) which has been made the pseudo-scientific rationale for a multitude of false philosophies.

[b]There are NO EVOLUTIONIST CHRISTIANS! OXYMORONS![/b]

May God help us to hold fast only to that which is good!

ICR/HMM
bible TAKE THE HOLY BIBLE AS GOD'S TRUTH! Do not add any other books of Mormons or any other doctrines,.. Jehovah Witnesses as well, to HIS WORD! JESUS IS LORD!
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Re: Church of Latter Day Saints/Mormons -There is a real HELL [Re: Abigail] #60535
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The LDS (Mormons) believe there is no hell.

Let's see what Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith says. He is the Alpha and the Omega!

What Jesus Said about Hell
by Henry Morris, Ph.D.


"And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell" (Matthew 5:29). - bible

People do not like to think about hell--especially those who are headed there! But that doesn't mean it isn't real.

We need to know that the Lord Jesus Himself often warned about the reality of hell. Our text is in His Sermon on the Mount, a message often quoted because of its wonderful promises. Hell is also mentioned in the same sermon in Matthew 5:22 and 5:30. Jesus also stressed in that sermon that "broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat" (Matthew 7:13). He later warned that we should "fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell" (Matthew 10:28).

The religious leaders of the day were not exempt. To them, speaking of their religious hypocrisy, He said, "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?" (Matthew 23:33).

Hell is also a place of fire or possibly of some fearful environment that could only be described adequately under the metaphor of fire. "Depart from me," He will say to the lost souls at His coming judgment, "into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41). Hell is called a "lake of fire" by Christ in John's vision of Him on His great white throne, where He will have to say, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, . . . and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 21:8).

Hell will indeed be very real--eternally real! Since Christ is both our Creator and our Savior, who died for our sins and defeated death by His resurrection, it is foolish for anyone to reject His revelation about hell.

ICR/ HMM


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Re: Church of Latter Day Saints/Mormons -There is a real HELL [Re: Abigail] #60536
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Creation, Conservation, and Consummation: Communicating the full gospel of Christ
by Henry Morris III, D.Min.
- bible

{A note of caution to those who are in, or know those in the Mormon Church or Jehovah Witness Church.)

The Pew Forum on Religious and Public Life released its second report based on the U.S. Religious Landscape Survey this past June. This enormous undertaking surveyed 35,000 Americans and concluded that most Americans have a nondogmatic approach to faith. Seven in 10 say that many religions can lead to eternal life and that there is more than one way to interpret the Scriptures. Although 9 in 10 believe in God, only 6 in 10 believe He is personal--and 3 in 10 see "god" as an impersonal force in the universe.

America is still mostly classified as Christian. Evangelicals make up 26.3 percent of churches, mainline Protestants are 18.1 percent, and Catholics 23.9 percent (for a total of 68.3 percent of the population). However, of all the religious groups surveyed, only Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses contained a majority who think that their beliefs represent the "only" way to heaven.

Here's the startling fact: over half (57 percent) of evangelical Protestant church members believe that other religions can lead to eternal life. How can the church impact the world for Christ if so few professing Christians understand, much less witness to, the truth of their faith?

Preach the Gospel

There is no more all-encompassing command in the New Testament than to "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15). Before we shrug off the duty as already being done, may I suggest that many of our churches have lost sight of the breadth and depth of the "good news," relegating it in some cases to a cliché to be embraced, with little awareness of the majesty and enormity of who the Savior is.

Permit me to share the "full gospel" as it is presented in the Scriptures.

The Cross of Christ

Various forms of the Greek word for gospel (euaggelion, "good news") appear 101 times in the New Testament. The middle reference (50 before and 50 after) is in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. This is the definition passage for the gospel. The central focus, of course, is the death, physical burial, and bodily resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. This gospel is to be "received" and "believed" (vv. 1-2) by faith, once for all. It is the means by which we are saved continually and forever, and it is the fact upon which we firmly stand. This great message of the atoning work of Christ is emphatically to be defined, understood, and preached "according to the Scriptures" (v. 4).

The Consummation in Christ

The first occurrence of the word "gospel" is in Matthew 4:23, where we are told that Jesus came "preaching the gospel of the kingdom." It is vital to stress the final consummation of Christ's atoning work, when He will finally be acknowledged by every creature as King of kings, and Lord of lords (Revelation 19:16). Certainly a major part of the "good news" is the great promise that we who have been saved by the work of Christ on the cross will one day "ever be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

The Creation by Christ

The last occurrence of "gospel" is in Revelation 14:6, where the mighty angel is sent from the throne of God to fly through the earth and preach "the everlasting gospel… to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people." Here, it is abundantly clear that the emphasis is on Christ as Creator, for we are told to "worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters" (Revelation 14:7). Surely all serious students of the Scriptures are aware that the same Jesus who substituted Himself for our sin on the cross of Calvary is the great Creator who spoke the worlds into existence (Hebrews 1:2).

The Full Gospel

Evangelical churches have generally done well in presenting the central message of the gospel and have, at least in some measure, given credence to the consummation message of the gospel through prophecy conferences and various sermons about the return of Christ and our hope of heaven. But the gospel entails the full scope of the work of Jesus Christ, involving the whole sweep of His redemptive purpose in history.

In this respect, the creation message has been neglected among many churches. Perhaps it would be well for us to remember how important that foundational doctrine really is to the "good news."

Many of us give away small printed copies of the Gospel of John as a witnessing tool, since of all the New Testament books it was specifically "written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name" (John 20:31). What may be overlooked by some is that the gospel begins by emphatically laying the foundation squarely on the omnipotent and omniscient authority of the Creator-Messiah who "was made flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1:14).

Three great passages in Scripture clearly set the perspective for the gospel.

Colossians 1:16-20
By Him were all things created.
By Him all things consist (or are saved from destruction).
By Him all things are reconciled.

Hebrews 1:2-4

He made the worlds.
He is upholding all things.
He becomes heir of all things.
Romans 11:36


For of Him…
And through Him …
And to Him…are all things:
To whom be glory for ever. Amen.

The gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ encompasses the complete three-fold work of Christ: the creation of all things, the conservation of this present world, and the consummation of the universe to His perfection, past-present-future.

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Neglect the Creation--and there is no Foundation or Standard or Ability.
Neglect the Cross--and there is no Power or Authority or Justice.
Neglect the Consummation--and there is no Hope or Joy or Victory.

We can only impact our world by preaching the gospel--the full gospel. It and it alone is the power of God unto salvation (Romans 1:16). We have done a fairly good job on conveying the central part of the gospel concerning Christ's work on the cross. Let us now reaffirm our commitment to preach the whole counsel of God (Acts 20:27), and teach the foundation and the consummation as well.
--JESUS CHRIST IS LORD OVER ALL! cross
*Dr. Morris is CEO of the Institute for Creation Research.



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Re: Church of Latter Day Saints/Mormons -There is a real HELL [Re: Abigail] #61322
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Hi Abishag, (((( Smiles )))))

Been watching a DVD From Joseph Smith to Jesus Christ: The Challenge Of Mormonism By James Walker on The Atlantic Coast Prophecy Conference 2010 and that is so strange no wonder he left that.
I never been in the Mormon Church or had a deep conversation with a Mormom till I read the beliefs of one on this board. And it did seem kind of far out there and this replacement theology not just an interpretation thingy but actually replacement by an angel that came down and of course we know we can't listen to all angels as some are fallen or pretend to be like, like with Saul who was deceived and many in the new age religion are deceived by these beings as well, as they are REAL!
When Jesus died on the cross, we all know it was done fulfilled finnished there Is NO NEW Gospel.

http://www.newadvent.org/bible/gal001.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuzmdtP5VRI
James Walker

And this spirit prison thingy for those who believe what the old and new Testament says, so much matchs with what you probably posted already: That Galatians 1:6 on says the same gospel yet another gospel expecially brought to you by an angel who claims to be from heaven. So they must not believe in that so do they edit that out of their book too and any Bible they may have?
Plus the American Indians genetically are more Asian even ancient ones which makes sense to me but not to them???
Kolob, that is so strange this is an interesting DVD for sure. Honestly, I thought Jeanie at one time was just telling some myth like stories or putting us on never dug into mormomism myself.
Now I know why it's sooo strange... ((((( Smiles )))))

Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #62441
04/14/11 07:24 PM
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Let's bring these two original posts together. Hopefully this will prove to the viewers what the Holy Bible (God's Word) says, verses The Mormonism Doctrine.

BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY:
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Source of Authority:
Believes the Bible alone is final authority. Believes the canon of Scripture was closed when the 66 books of the Bible were completed. Believes no one today is like the Old Testament prophets who received direct revelation from God.

God:
Believes God has existed in eternity past, although the second Person of the Trinity became incarnate to die for the sins of mankind. Teaches that man can never become God.

Christ:
Believes that Jesus Christ is God, the second Person of the Trinity. Believes that Jesus was supernaturally conceived by Mary through the Holy Spirit. Maintains Jesus was never married.

Salvation:
Teaches that salvation is granted only by grace through faith alone in the Lord Jesus Christ. Teaches baptism is a public witness of salvation, not a requirement to be saved. Does not believe there is another chance for salvation after death.

Heaven and Hell:
Believes hell is the future place of punishment for those who reject salvation through Christ. Although there may be different degrees of punishment, all will be punished for rejecting Christ. Claims salvation only for those who trust in Christ; all who reject Him go to an eternal hell.
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MORMONISM :
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Source of Authority:
Believes that the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price contain God's revelations just as the Bible does. Believes in continuing revelation; does not believe the canon of Scripture was closed when the Bible was completed. Views the Mormon presidents as prophets in the same sense as were Abraham, Moses, Peter and other such biblical leaders.

God:
Teaches that He was once a man who, through self-effort, became God. Teaches that good Mormons become gods.

Christ:
Denies His deity by teaching that He was simply a spirit being before coming to earth. Denies the virgin birth by claiming Jesus was conceived when Adam-God had sexual relations with Mary. Claims that Jesus was a polygamist.

Salvation:
Teaches that salvation is earned by works in addition to faith. Believes that you cannot be saved unless you are baptized with water for the remission of sins. Practices baptizing for the dead so that those who have believed after death can become Mormons.

Heaven and Hell:
Believes in three levels of heaven: Celestial, where good Mormons enter and achieve godhood; Terrestrial, where those enter who are good people who do not comply with teachings of Mormonism; and Telestial, where those enter who have lived unclean earthly lives. Claims that the vast majority of mankind will be saved--believing in virtually universal salvation.
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Name of Organization: The Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints

Also known as: Mormons, LDS

Founder: Joseph Smith Jr. (1805-1844)

U.S. Headquarters: Salt Lake City, Utah

Membership (1996) U.S.: 4.8 million
Worldwide: 9 million



Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism?/ A CULT [Re: Abigail] #78424
07/13/15 01:59 PM
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star --LATTER DAY SAINTS= = A CULT
-[Handbook of Today's Religions
By: Josh McDowell & Don Stewart]


--Conclusion=
--When all the evidences is considered, the Mormon claim to be the restoration of Jesus Christ's church falls to the ground. We have taken up the challenge of Brigham Young who said, "Take up the Bible, compare the religion to the Latter-day Saints with it, and see if it will stand the text" (Journal of Discourses).

fyi ---OUR CONCLUSION IS THAT WHEN MORMONISM IS WEIGHED IN THE BALANCES IT IS FOUND WANTING.--

--More proof of the false teachings in the LDS Church will follow Dr. Charles Standley's Truth of Holy Scripture~

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---THE FOUNDATION of UNWAVERING FAITH~~
----Hebrews 13:8-/ TRUTH FROM SCRIPTURE!

--In our ever-changing world, families move, friendships drift, allegiances shift, and technology advances by quantum leaps. If we seek security in people, possessions, or positions, we’re doomed to be disappointed.

Yet we all need somewhere to turn during the storms of life. The one true anchor for our soul is Jesus Christ, who Scripture assures us will not change. To find comfort in Him, we must learn who He is, what He does, and how He works. Today we will explore a few details about His life and character.

-John 1:1 reveals that Jesus was Deity from the beginning. Fully God and fully man, He was born of a virgin, lived 33 years on Earth, was crucified despite His innocence, and rose after three days. He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life—the Christ, the Son of the Living God (John 14:6; Matt. 16:16-17). Our Lord fulfilled countless prophesies in the Old Testament, such as Isaiah 53. Like us, Jesus has feelings—He wept for hurting people and felt angry when people misused the temple. Most importantly, His resurrection defeated death, and He still lives today.

God’s character never varies. Of course, as situations change, He acts accordingly. But the merciful, loving, compassionate, and holy Jesus we know in Scripture is the same Messiah we can cling to today.

Where do you turn in trying times? Difficult circumstances are inevitable. Prepare yourself for them by learning who Jesus is—He’s the only true shelter and rock that will not change. What a wonderful Savior!
--IN TOUCH~
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-Let's take a look at some Mormonism Terms- ALL FALSE! (to name a few)~

-Adam= God-Said to be the God for this earth. Taught by second president Brigham Young, now denied by LDS church.

-Baptism for the Dead= Since LDS believes baptism is necessary for salvation even the dead must be baptized by proxy, performed by living relatives.

-Book of Abraham= Part of the Mormon sacred work 'The Pearl of Great Price', which contains the Mormon teachings that the black race is cursed.

-Doctrine and Covenants= One of the four sacred books of the Mormons containing many revelations given allegedly by God to Joseph Smith, Jr.

-Lucifer= According to Mormonism, the spirit-brother of Jesus. In Mormons theology Lucifer is the second-born creature of God after Jesus.

-Moroni= The angel who supposedly revealed the location of the golden plates to Joseph Smith, Jr. Smith translated them into the Book of Mormons.

-Pearl of Great Price= One of the four sacred books of the Mormons containing, among other things, the Book of Abraham which teaches that the black race is cursed.

-Telestial Kingdom= Lowest division of glory [heaven] in Mormonism, reserved for those having no belief in Christ or the Gospel.
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-I am bringing this back to our attention because the Mormon [LDS] Church is growing. It is filled with lies. It does not line up with Holy Scripture. Please, if you are involved in this Church, please leave at once. It is blasphemy to even suggest that Lucifer is the second born creature of God after Jesus, and is His spirit-brother.
Please take the time to scroll back and read more evidence that the Mormon Church is a Cult. The person named 'Jeanie' is from that church, so when you see her post, it is also all lies!
Jesus Christ said, "I and My Father are One." Jesus is God-Man. (Also see Colossians 1:9-20) =The Preeminence of Christ. Jesus is co-equal with Father God and the Holy Spirit. We serve a Triune God. ~~
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Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism?/ A CULT [Re: Abigail] #78425
07/13/15 07:23 PM
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star --MORMONISM, / MORMON BELIEFS/ BEWARE! A CULT!
---Question: "What is Mormonism? What do Mormons believe?"

--Answer: The Mormon religion (Mormonism), whose followers are known as Mormons and Latter-day Saints (LDS), was founded less than two hundred years ago by a man named Joseph Smith. He claimed to have received a personal visit from God the Father and Jesus Christ (Articles of Faith, p. 35) who told him that all churches and their creeds were an abomination (1 Nephi 13:28; Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith – History 1:18, 19). Joseph Smith then set out to "restore true Christianity" and claimed his church to be the “only true church on earth” (Mormon Doctrine, p. 670; 1 Nephi 14:10).

The problem with Mormonism is that it contradicts, modifies, and expands on the Bible. Christians do not have a reason to believe that the Bible is untrue or inadequate. To truly believe in and trust God means to believe in His Word, and all Scripture is inspired by God, which means it comes from Him bible (2 Timothy 3:16).

Mormons believe that there are in fact four sources of divinely inspired words, not just one: 1) the Bible “as far as it is translated correctly” (8th Article of Faith). Which verses are considered incorrectly translated is not always made clear. 2) The Book of Mormon, which was “translated” by Smith and published in 1830. Smith claimed it is the “most correct book” on earth and that a person can get closer to God by following its precepts “than by any other book” (History of the Church 4:461). 3) Doctrine and Covenants, containing a collection of modern revelations regarding the “Church of Jesus Christ as it has been restored.” 4) The Pearl of the Great Price, which is considered by Mormons to “clarify” doctrines and teachings that were lost from the Bible (Articles of Faith, p. 182–185) and adds its own information about the earth’s creation.

Mormons believe the following about God: He has not always been the Supreme Being of the universe (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321) but attained that status through righteous living and persistent effort (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345). They believe God the Father has a “body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s” (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22). Brigham Young taught that Adam actually was God and the father of Jesus Christ—although this teaching has been abandoned by modern Mormon leaders.

-In contrast, Christians know this about God: there is only one true God (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6–8). He always has existed and always will exist (Deuteronomy 33:27; Psalm 90:2; 1 Timothy 1:17). He was not created but is the Creator (Genesis 1; Psalm 24:1; Isaiah 37:16). He is perfect, and no one else is equal to Him (Psalm 86:8; Isaiah 40:25). God the Father is not a man, nor was He ever (Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:29; Hosea 11:9). He is Spirit (John 4:24), and Spirit is not made of flesh and bone (Luke 24:39).

Mormons believe that there are different levels or kingdoms in the afterlife: the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, the telestial kingdom, and outer darkness (Mormon Doctrine, p. 348). Where mankind will end up depends on what they believe and do in this life (2 Nephi 25:23; Articles of Faith, p.79).

In contrast, the Bible tells us that after death we go to heaven or hell based on whether or not we had faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. To be absent from our bodies means, as believers, we are with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:6–8). Unbelievers are sent to hell or the place of the dead (Luke 16:22–23). When Jesus comes the second time, we will receive new bodies (1 Corinthians 15:50–54). There will be a new heaven and new earth for believers (Revelation 21:1), and unbelievers will be thrown into an everlasting lake of fire (Revelation 20:11–15). There is no second chance for redemption after death (Hebrews 9:27).

Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus’ incarnation was the result of a physical relationship between God the Father and Mary (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115; Mormon Doctrine, p. 547). Mormons believe Jesus is a god, but that any human can also become a god (Doctrine and Covenants 132:20; Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345–354). Mormonism teaches that salvation can be earned by a combination of faith and good works (LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 697).

--Contrary to this, Christians historically have taught that no one can achieve the status of God—only He is holy (1 Samuel 2:2). We can only be made holy in God's sight through faith in Him (1 Corinthians 1:2). Jesus is the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16), is the only one ever to have lived a sinless life, and now has the highest place of honor in heaven (Hebrews 7:26). Jesus and God are one in essence, Jesus being the only man who existed before physical birth (John 1:1–8; 8:56). Jesus gave Himself to us as a sacrifice, God raised Him from the dead, and one day everyone will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (Philippians 2:6–11). Jesus tells us it is impossible to get to heaven by our own works and that only by faith in Him is it possible (Matthew 19:26). We all deserve eternal punishment for our sins, but God's infinite love and grace have allowed us a way out. “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23).

--Clearly, there is only one way to receive salvation and that is to know God and His Son, Jesus (John 17:3). Receiving salvation is not done by works but by faith (Romans 1:17; 3:28). We can receive this gift no matter who we are or what we have done (Romans 3:22). “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).

Although Mormons are usually friendly, loving, and kind people, they are deceived by a false religion that distorts the nature of God, the Person of Jesus Christ, and the means of salvation.

--FROM: GOTQUESTIONS.ORG


Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #78674
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star --The Mormon Doctrine is a LIE!

--Listen in on several people from the (LDS) Mormon Church, reveal that God opened their eyes to the truth of His Word.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8,9)

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Spirit;
Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior." (Titus 3:5,6)

/UNVEILING GRACE! bible Be SET FREE!
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl0c5nl6u48#t=870>
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Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #79307
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---ANOTHER GOSPEL / Beware of False Preachers & Teachers-[LDS-Mormons (to name just one)]

“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.” (Galatians 1:6-7) crackthebook

--Some have confessed difficulty with these verses, especially with the words “another gospel: Which is not another.” This problem finds resolution in an understanding of two distinct Greek words which, unfortunately, are both here translated as “another” in this passage.

In verse 6 Paul uses the Greek word 'heteros', which implies something of a totally different sort altogether—something diametrically opposed to the one to which it is compared. But in verse 7 he uses the word 'allos', which implies a comparison of two items of the same sort.

The thought might be conveyed as follows: “You are removed from the true gospel of the grace of Christ unto a totally different belief system, which is not simply a similar but legitimate expression of the true gospel. Instead, it is quite opposite to the truth.” Paul goes on to teach that this “different” gospel is a perversion of the true gospel, and instead of bringing peace, it brings about a troubling of the mind.

The primary theme of the entire book of Galatians is salvation by grace through faith in Christ, as opposed to salvation by works and law. “No man is justified by the law in the sight of God. . . . The just shall live by faith” (3:11). This marvelous good news had been denied by many in the Galatian church, but Paul had received the message of grace “by the revelation of Jesus Christ” (1:12). Any mixture of works with grace constituted a perversion of God’s plan, and any who would teach such perversion warranted strong condemnation from Paul. “If any man preach any other [Greek 'para', meaning contrary] gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed” (1:9).
--ICR/ JDM ~~

***What do they believe? Simply stated, Mormons teach that all gods were originally men and that all men have the potential to become gods. Being a king and priest to God is a step toward becoming a god. They believe that all persons were preexistent and, depending on their good works, go to one of three levels of heaven: telestial (for unbelievers), terrestial (for ignorant but good people), and celestial (for good Mormons). Jesus, who is the Jehovah of the Old Testament, will reign over a millennial kingdom from Independence, Missouri."~~
star **True Christians of the Most High God, Jehovah 'EL-SHADDAI' should certainly be able to see the false teaching in this cult, Latter Day Saints, Mormonism.


Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #79704
01/15/16 01:58 PM
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star Bringing this forward to help others understand the error in the LDS/ Mormon Church ~~
--The Vine and Branches (Vol. 28 Winter 2013, Issue 6)
--ABIDING WORD MINISTRIES
By: David Barnhart

---UNVEILING GRACE--
-THE STORY OF A FAMILY'S CONVERSION
TO CHRIST FROM MORMONISM ~~~


-A new book 'Unveiling Grace', by Lynn Wilder and published by Zondervan, was released this past August. It tells the amazing story of the author and her family being set free from the false teachings of Mormonism into a living relationship with Jesus Christ.

Wilder was a full professor at Brigham Young University and a dedicated member of the Mormon Church. According to Wilder, reading the Scriptures was key to their conversion. "I read my Bible sometimes hours a day and truly felt I was being washed," she said.

As Wilder read 2nd Corinthians 11:4 which states--"For if he that comes preaches another Jesus, who we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another Gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him."
She said to herself, "another Jesus, that's exactly what I have. In its pages I met a Jesus who was able to save me from my life of working to be good."


The movie 'Luther', which focuses on the life of Martin Luther, hit home for Wilder as well. She knew full well about following man-made requirements under Mormon rules. "I was simply overwhelmed by the Spirit," she said. "I went face down in surrender to Christ."

We encourage you to go on line or to your local bookstore and purchase a copy of 'Unveiling Grace'. You might also like to go on line and view a 55 minute video of Lynn Wilder and her family's conversion. Lynn Wilder's son Michael says on the video, "We lost a religion, but we gained Christ. And that's a good trade." This powerful and inspiring video, also called "Unveiling Grace," offers deep insights into the false teachings of Mormonism and into the power of the Word of God to bring people to salvation. The video may be obtained or viewed at <www.sacredgrovesonline.org>.

--Information from Christiannews.net.
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Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #80102
03/31/16 03:09 PM
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--OTHER PREACHERS~~

“What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.” bible (Philippians 1:18)


This verse seems to conflict with warnings about false teachers (2 Peter 2:1) and another gospel (Galatians 1:6-9). The key is identifying what Paul is allowing on the one hand and condemning on the other.

Some teachers of his day (probably both in Philippi and in Rome) appeared to be taking advantage of Paul’s imprisonment to enhance their own reputations. Indeed, some were trying through their public preaching to “add affliction to [his] bonds” (Philippians 1:16).

Even though some with ungodly motives stood out among those preaching of “good will,” Paul was able to rejoice that “Christ is preached” (today’s text) by both categories, and therein is the source of the “power of God unto salvation” (Romans 1:16).

star The stern denunciation of “another gospel” (Galatians 1:6) exposes the untruth of all hybrid messages, whether human or angelic, that would attempt to preach anything other than “Christ, and him crucified” (1 Corinthians 2:2).

Here is the message for us. When the full gospel of Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection—according to the Scriptures—is preached (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) by whatever means and even under sometimes questionable motives, the “good news” is cause for rejoicing. It is the gospel that has power, not the messenger.

However, when some people attempt to change that gospel to make it seem more attractive to those who wish to continue in sin, or change its message to allow for human works, we are to see such preachers as dangerous and under condemnation. May God keep us from both mistakes.
--ICR/HMM III
[Are you aware that the LDS / Mormon people deny that Jesus is God? Jesus said, "I and My Father are One."
A new book by a Mormon pastor states very clearly, "NO I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN, I AM A MORMON!"
Christians were first called such in Antioch, in the book of ACTS. I am not ashamed to be a Christian of the Lord Jesus Christ. If you are involved in this cult teaching, please listen to the Holy Spirit and leave! Jesus Christ is Lord, and God in human flesh. (Hebrews)]



Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #80479
06/16/16 07:10 PM
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---LDS / Mormon Church
-----Unveiling Grace Film (Full Presentation)

This is being shared so you will know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."
--(John 14:6)

This church is a cult. They have twisted the entire Bible to fit with their other two books. One, 'The Pearl of Great Price'.
Please, if you are involved with the LDS Mormon Church allow your Spirit to get saved by Jesus Christ. Joseph Smith was a false prophet.

Jesus reveals to us in (Revelation 22:18-21)--"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon."
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen"


Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #82012
05/30/17 03:45 PM
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star --LDS / MORMONS

-- fyi LATTER DAY SAINTS/ MORMONISM~~
ARE MORMONS CHRISTIANS/ ARE MORMONS SAVED?



--Mormons Christians, Mormons saved
---Question: "Are Mormons Christians? Are Mormons saved?"

Answer: Although Mormons profess to be Christians and say they believe the Word of God, there are many of their beliefs that contradict Christianity.
In fact, Mormonism can be referred to as a cult, which can be defined as “a religious group that denies one or more of the fundamentals of biblical truth.” Mormons say they are Christians, but because they reject foundational truths from God’s Word, they are not.

Joseph Smith, who referred to himself as “The Prophet,” founded the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the mid-1800s. He claimed to have seen a vision of God the Father and God the Son, in which they denounced modern Christianity and appointed Smith to reveal and restore “true” Christianity (Articles of Faith, p. 182–185). Three years later, Smith alleged that the angel Moroni told him about some golden plates on which the Book of Mormon was written. In spite of Smith’s questionable background and proclivity toward bending the truth (see The Origin, Rise, and Progress of Mormonism, New York, 1861; and Mormonism Unveiled, Painesville, Ohio, 1834), many believed Smith, and a new “religion” was born. Today, the members of the Mormon Church number in the millions.

The Book of Mormon is purported to be a new revelation, one that Mormons say is part of the new covenant to Israel and “another witness” to the truth of the Bible (History of the Church 4:461, 8th Article of Faith). Aside from the many theological conflicts with the Bible and historical and archeological fact, the writing of the Book of Mormon was shrouded in mystery and false claims. For example, Joseph Smith and his associates asserted that one Professor Charles Anthon of Columbia University verified the Egyptian characters on the golden plates. However, this same professor wrote a rebuttal letter soon after, saying that he never did any such thing and had, in fact, found the characters to be a hoax. In addition, many verses in the Mormon scriptures have been changed over the years, as the church leaders attempt to cover up something embarrassing in their past and to defend themselves against criticism. These facts alone are enough to cast much doubt on the veracity of the Book of Mormon.

One of the many areas in which Mormons fall short of saving faith is their belief that God is merely an exalted man who earned his position by good works (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345). This directly contradicts the Bible, which states that God has existed in His position as God of the universe from eternity past (Revelation 1:8; 1 Timothy 1:17; 6:15–16; Psalm 102:24–27). God was never a man (Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:29; Hosea 11:9) and is the holy and powerful Creator of all things (Genesis 1; Psalm 24:1; Isaiah 37:16). Mormons also believe that they themselves can attain the status of gods in the afterlife through their works here on earth (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345–354). However, no man can ever become like God (1 Samuel 2:2; Isaiah 43:10–11; 44:6; 45:21–22), despite what the serpent told Eve in the garden (Genesis 3:5).

Mormons also believe that Jesus was a god, but not God Himself (Mormon Doctrine, p. 547; Articles of Faith, p. 35; Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 372). It is essential to Christian faith that Jesus is one with God and that He is God’s only begotten Son who became flesh (John 1:1, 14; John 3:16). Only Jesus’ oneness with God would have allowed Him to live a sinless, blameless life (Hebrews 7:26). And only Jesus Christ was able to pay the price for our sins by His death on the cross (Romans 4:25; Acts 4:12).

Those who follow the Mormon faith also believe that they can attain heaven through works (Doctrine and Covenants 58:42–43; 2 Nephi 9:23–24; Alma 34:30–35; Articles of Faith, p.92). While they claim faith in Christ, they also rely on following the commandments of the Mormon Church (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p 188; Mormon Doctrine, p. 670) and practicing good works (2 Nephi 25:23; Alma 11:37) in order to achieve salvation. The Bible is very clear on this point, stating that good works can never earn the way to heaven (Romans 11:6; Ephesians 2:8–9; Titus 3:5) and that faith in Jesus Christ alone is the only way to salvation (John 10:9; 11:25; 14:6; Acts 4:12). Salvation by grace is incompatible with salvation by human works (Romans 11:6).

Sadly, many in the Mormon Church are unaware of the religion’s shady past, amended scriptures, and even the full doctrine of their church. Many Mormons who have discovered these things have left the church and come to a true saving faith in Jesus Christ. As Christians, we must treat Mormons with love and understand that they are among those deceived by Satan himself (1 Peter 5:8). Satan’s goal is to distort the truth, produce false assurance of salvation, and extend a deceptive hope of godhood (2 Corinthians 4:4).

Recommended Resource: Reasoning from the Scriptures with Mormons/ By: Ron Rhodes

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--THE GREAT COMMISSION BY JESUS CHRIST~~
"The eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been give to me.
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.'" --[MATTHEW 28:16-20-NIV~]

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--- fyi-- This information is being recirculated to help save souls for our Lord Jesus Christ. If you are involved in the LDS/ Mormon Church, please prayerfully reconsider it's FALSE DOCTRINE! / "He that winneth souls is wise."


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Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #82019
05/30/17 06:50 PM
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----deepconsideration --LATTER DAY SAINTS/ MORMONISM= FALSE TEACHING

--Unveiling Grace: The Film (Full Presentation)

---It is very important that you find out the FALSE TEACHING in the Mormon Church. It is not Scriptural. They add to the teaching of the Holy Bible by Jehovah God.
(This was posted earlier, however the address was left off.) Please listen to this. Do not be deceived! They teach that 'the way' to 'be holy', is a LIE!
Please come out from among them and be separate as God tells us.
They will tell you that their church (building) is the ONE TRUE WAY. WRONG!

Jesus Christ said, bible "I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."
"Whom the Son sets free is free indeed." Click on the address link below and be free in Jesus Christ.


<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl0c5nl6u48>
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Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #82021
05/30/17 08:32 PM
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nowaysign --THE MORMON CHURCH / LDS IS A FALSE RELIGION~

--Listen in on KATIE WARREN~
(You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." --(John 14:6)
HEAR KATIE'S WORDS AS SHE CAME OUT OF THE LDS/ MORMON Lifestyle.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5xS7Z6avR8>

Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #84953
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-- goodjob --EX MORMON, (once very zealous for the LDS/ Mormon Affiliation), is NOW BORN AGAIN! MICAH WILDER ~~

--Praise the Lord! Micah Wilder has been set free from the Mormon/ LDS Church. He is married and his wife, (fiance' while in the LDS Church), and Micah are both serving Jesus Christ. This is totally by the GRACE of the LORD JESUS CHRIST! A powerful testimony, with tears, from this Godly man and his family, unto our LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST!

--A Testimony unto Jesus Christ for a sinner set free from the LDS Mormon Church. So Beautiful! With God All Things Are Possible! bible I hope you will listen in.

--- <https://youtu.be/r0mckI8Xfl8>

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Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #85035
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---LATTER DAY SAINTS? MORMONISM?

-----WHO DOES THE SAVING?

---If we are saved by good works, we don’t need God— weekly reminders of the do’s and don’ts will get us to heaven. If we are saved by suffering, we certainly don’t need God. If we’re saved by doctrine then, for heaven’s sake, let’s study! But be careful, student. For if you’re saved by having exact doctrine, then one mistake could be fatal.

--- fyi --That goes for those who believe we’re made right with God through **good deeds**. I hope the temptation is never greater than the strength. If it is, a bad fall could be a bad omen. There will never be enough works, or good deeds to save anyone. star Jesus has already paid the final price to get us into heaven. When He said, "It is finished," He meant it. Dare we not trust Jesus Christ, who is fully God-Man?

-And those who think we are saved by suffering, take caution as well, for you never know how much suffering is required. It took Paul decades to discover what he wrote in only one sentence. Romans 3:28, “A person is made right with God through faith.” Not through good works, suffering, or study...just faith!

"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God not of works lest any man should boast." --(Ephesians 2:8-9)


--Please Read/Grace for the Moment II/ML~~


Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #86217
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--[* star star*Please be advised the information regarding the LDS / MORMON CHURCH, is being continued, to prayerfully open the eyes and spiritual minds to the truth of God's Word.
This is a continuation of posts made to EXPOSE the evil deeds of darkness by the Mormon Church. You can go online and find many people that have been set free from the
FALSE DOCTRINE. "Jesus Christ is the same yesteray and today and forever." --(Hebrews 13:8)
You can also scroll back from this post to read others comments. One person was banned for being rude. We prayerfully hope to give Jehovah God, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ all glory! ]


-----DILUTING THE WORD OF GOD ~`

“And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Revelation 22:19)-- bible

**It is a very serious error to try to add some new revelation to God’s written Word, as many cults and false religions do. This is the warning of verse 18 (see also Deuteronomy 4:2; Proverbs 30:6).

**It is even more dangerous, as shown in the above text (the third from the last verse of the Bible), to delete (or even dilute) any of the words of the Bible. Note that the warning emphasizes the words, not just the thoughts. The sad fact is that a great many liberal theologians, especially in the past hundred years or so, have been doing just that, thinking thereby to make Christianity more compatible with modern science and philosophy. But they are literally playing with fire—this same book had just warned that any whose names do not remain in the book of life will be “cast into the lake of fire” (Revelation 20:15). Tragically, many of the sections they seek to “take away” are the references to hell.

God has promised to guard His Word against any such deletions. “The words of the LORD are pure words: . . . Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever” (Psalm 12:6-7).

There are also many who would not try to take away any of the words from the text, but who then dilute their intended meaning in order to attract unbelieving intellectuals. This also is dangerous. Peter warns against those who would “wrest, . . . scriptures, unto their own destruction” (2 Peter 3:16). We must never forget the words of the Bible are “pure words,” meaning just what they say. “All scripture is given by inspiration of God [God-breathed], and is profitable . . .” (2 Timothy 3:16).

---ICR/HMM --[INSTITUTE FOR CREATION RESEARCH]~~


Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #88529
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----KING OF TYRE
[--Satan was created. He sinned against Jehovah Yahweh, YHWH, He desired to be god. [Meaning, the LDS CHURCH, LDS, IS LYING! Their belief is that Satan was the brother of Jesus. ]

--Please come out from among them and be ye separate."

“Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.”
---- (Ezekiel 28:12)-- bible

This prophecy against the King of Tyre is very similar to the prophecy given over a century earlier against the King of Babylon (Isaiah 14:3-28). Both are ostensibly addressed to earthly kings, yet both are impossible to apply to any mere human monarch. In both instances, it becomes obvious that an evil spirit—in fact, none other than Satan himself—had possessed the bodies of these kings. Thus, God, through Ezekiel, is here speaking primarily to Satan.

Satan had been “full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty,” but he became proud instead of thankful. “Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground” (Ezekiel 28:17). He had been “the anointed cherub” on “the holy mountain of God” (v. 14), the highest of all the mighty cherubim, covering the very throne of God. But “thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire” (v. 16).

--Satan, the covering cherub, had been “created” (v. 13), but he was not content to serve his Creator. When he sinned—probably refusing to believe that God was his Creator, desiring God’s throne for himself (Isaiah 14:13)—God cast him out, saying, “Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou was created, till iniquity was found in thee” (Ezekiel 28:15).

Yet, he still refuses to acknowledge God and has since persuaded multitudes of men and women to assume that they, too, can be “as gods” (Genesis 3:5). This belief can only—if they persist—result in their eternal ruin.


--ICR/HMM


Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #91181
02/18/20 03:47 PM
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---ENOUGH~~

--"By grace you have been saved through faith;
and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
not as a result of works, so that no one may boast."
---(Ephesians 2:8-9)-- bible

---How much prayer is enough to please God? How many hours of Bible reading does He require of you? How many good works do you need to do?

The reality is, you can never do enough. Just when you think that you've met all the requirements, feelings of guilt, inferiority, and rejection arise. This is because Christ has done everything necessary--paying the sin debt that can never be satisfied by earthly disciplines. Jesus forgave you fully when you accepted Him as Savior, and there's nothing more you need to do. And if you're trying to pay God back for saving you, then you haven't really accepted His gift of grace.

So then, why read the Bible, pray, and serve? Out of love and devotion--to know God better and embrace His wonderful will for your life. Our motivation should be solely because we love God, not because we think we have to impress or appease Him. Then we can obey Him out of gratefulness, love, and joy and experience life at its very best.

--"Thank You for saving me, Jesus! Help me to walk in gratefulness to You. Amen."
--~~MY HOPE IS IN JESUS BECAUSE
HE PAID THE PRICE FOR ME. HE PAID MY SIN-DEBT.

---Jesus Our Perfect Hope/CS~~
--[ star We are bringing back this post because the Mormon people need our prayers. Our Lord has already paid the sin-debt for all people. Many people are coming out of the LDS Mormon Church as a result of reading the book by Lynn Wilder, (who was a teacher and head leader in the LDS Mormon Church;(with her husband for 20+ years)= "Unveiling Grace"
God can forgive any sinner that comes to Him with a sincere broken spirit and a contrite heart (Psalm 51:17). Please watch/listen in as Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron interview several people, some still attending the LDS Church. Let's pray for these people. And all people who are not born-again Christians (John Chapter 3: verses 5 thru 6).]

--"The Secrets of the Mormonism EXPOSED"/ Way of the Master//<https://youtu.be/CGJI0_t8HM0>
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Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #91772
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[ starTHUMBS UP FOR INFORMATION // THUMBS DOWN FOR THE FALSE TEACHING OF THE LATTER DAY SAINTS CHURCH // MORMONISM IS FALSE!

---LIKE THE MOST HIGH ~~~
BY HENRY M. MORRIS, PH.D. |

---“I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High” (Isaiah 14:14).-- bible

--These are two of the “I will’s” of Satan, or Lucifer, as he aspired to usurp the throne of God as ruler of the universe (see Isaiah 14:12–15; Ezekiel 28:11–17). Not content to be “the anointed cherub,” the highest of the angelic hierarchy (Ezekiel 28:14), he wanted to be God, and this monstrous pride became “the condemnation of the devil” (I Timothy 3:6), so that he is now “fallen from heaven” and will soon be “brought down to hell” (Isaiah 14:12,15).


Lucifer, of course, is not the Creator, for he was “created” (Ezekiel 28:15) himself. It would seem, therefore, that for him to rationalize his ambition to be like the most High, he must somehow persuade himself that he is like the most High—that is, that God is a created being like himself, and thus can be defeated. He only had God’s word that he had been created by Him, and he evidently chose not to believe what God said (just as do multitudes of men and women today).

He, like they, chose rather to believe that the eternal cosmos had somehow created them all by its own powers. The great cosmos (call it Mother Nature, perhaps) has “created” spirit beings, as well as men and women, and all the worlds inhabited by them. In this scenario, the true Creator God is viewed as only one of many. Therefore, He is vulnerable to defeat—or so Satan evidently believes.

Thus Lucifer became the first evolutionist, and this great lie by which he deceived himself became the basis of his later deception of Eve and then of the founders of all the varied pantheistic religions of the world, as well as modern evolutionism and New-Age philosophies. Nevertheless, God is still on His throne, and “the Lamb shall overcome them: for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings” (Revelation 17:14).

--ICR/HMM
[Our Sovereign Lord Jesus Christ is Creator. He is not the brother of Lucifer, as many Mormons believe. Get that straight, please. Yes, He loves the Mormon people, but He dislikes their false teaching! Paul said it well, "If any bring another doctrine [and love not the Lord Jesus Christ], let him be Anathema [accursed]!"
--[1 Corinthians 16:22] ~


Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #92270
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---"Six Characteristics of the Way of Cain"
~~Pathway To Victory/RJ~

--"Woe to them! For they have gone the way of Cain."
[–Jude (VS. 11) --] bible

What is the way of Cain? Let’s look at six characteristics of the way of Cain.

**The way of Cain refers to any individual who attempts to approach God on his or her own terms rather than on God’s terms.
**The way of Cain describes any religious system that attempts to earn God’s favor by works and rituals rather than by our reliance on God’s grace.

**The way of Cain is any religious system that appeals to our pride rather than our desperate condition before God.
**The way of Cain emphasizes humanity’s goodness rather than humanity’s sinfulness.

**The way of Cain says there are many paths that lead to God rather than one path.
**The way of Cain leads to eternal death rather than eternal life. Proverbs 14:12 says, “There is a way which seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death.”


--We naturally rebel against this idea of exclusivity, that there’s only one way to approach God. We tend to think that somehow spiritual laws are less exacting than the laws that govern the world we can see around us. But if you make that conclusion, you are in real danger.

On August 2, 1985, Delta Flight 191 was making its final approach onto runway 17L at DFW. As the captain looked at the end of the runway, he saw a strange cloud formation. At first, he thought, “I’ll go around that and approach from the other direction.” Then he thought, “Why should I do that? I have hundreds of thousands of pounds of aircraft on my side, as well as three powerful Rolls-Royce engines and more than forty-three thousand hours of experience between my copilots. What can a little wind and rain do to this mighty jetliner?” So he decided to go through that cloud. What the captain didn’t realize was that within that cloud were invisible but very real forces at work–wind shear, microbursts, and vortexes. And those invisible forces grabbed hold of that jetliner and threw it to the ground, killing 137 people.

Just as the natural laws of aerodynamics and physics governed the invisible forces controlling that jetliner, so there are spiritual laws that are invisible but very real that govern our approach to God. We can say, “I’ll approach God in my way,” but the result will be spiritual disaster. There are not many ways to God; there is one way to approach God. It is through Jesus Christ, who said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me” (John 14:6).
[ fyi Please note, we are NOT saved by our works. We can never do enough works to gain Christ's favor. It is by his shed blood on Calvary that has set us free from sin. "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free" [John 8:31-32].--"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it the the gift of God;
Not as a result of works, so that no one may boast" -- angelwing [Ephesians 2:8-9]

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Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
Re: LATTER DAY SAINTS? Mormonism? [Re: Abigail] #94792
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---THE ONE TRUE GOD ~~

--JESUS CHRIST IS LORD -- JESUS CHRIST IS CREATOR GOD~

------People are bowing down to many gods today, just as they did in the ancient pagan world. It was these idolaters to whom Paul proclaimed, "that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth (as there be gods many, and lords many). But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by Him" (I Corinthians 8:4-6). -- bible

---In the modern world, the atheistic evolutionist worships the great god Chance in the shrine of Darwinism, while New Age pantheistic evolutionists attribute everything to Father Time and Mother Earth. The materialistic social Darwinists pay homage to the god Mammon and modern feminists adore the goddess Sophia. Animists sacrifice to demonic spirits and Hindu worshipers honor a thousand divinities. Popular celebrities speak patronizingly of the Man Upstairs and Muslims fight in the name of Allah. There are "gods many and lords many." So how is one to know which "god" is the true God, the Creator, Sustainer, and Judge of the whole creation? Which "god" is the God who is real, the one able to provide eternal salvation and everlasting life?

There is one infallible way to know—one sure test, and no other. The one God who can defeat death is the only God who can give life!

This was Paul's message to the intellectuals of antiquity, and it must be our uncompromising message today. "God that made the world and all things therein . . . giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; . . ."

And just who is that God, who made the world and gives life to all things?

He has not left us to wander about in ignorance of this all-important truth. "Because He hath appointed a day, in the which He will judge the world in righteousness by that Man whom He hath ordained; whereof He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead" (Acts 17:31).

There is one Man—only one Man—in all human history who has defeated death, has died and then risen again, never to die again. Since only the Creator of life could ever defeat death, He must be both God and man, the God-man, eternal God and perfect man, "declared to be the Son of God with power . . . by the resurrection from the dead" (Romans 1:4)

It is unfortunate that Easter has become so encumbered with many pagan notions (bunnies, eggs, spring festivals, etc.) and materialistic practices (Easter parades of spring fashions) that most people in western nations forget or ignore the grand truth that our Lord Jesus Christ is "risen from the dead and become the firstfruits of them that slept" (I Corinthians 15:20).

The death and resurrection of our Creator is no mere religious dogma requiring perfunctory attendance at church once a year, as many seem to think, but the most vital of all living realities. "I am He that liveth, and was dead;" said the resurrected Jesus; "and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death" (Revelation 1:18). Furthermore, the bodily resurrection of Christ can be shown to be the best-proved fact of history.

The Lord Jesus Christ, whose resurrection we acknowledge once every week, remembering the completion of both His work of creation and also His greater work of redemption, and then again in a very special way every year in the springtime when the earth itself awakens again to new life, is our great Creator, Savior, risen Lord, and soon-coming King. "Blessed are all they that put their trust in Him" (Psalm 2:12).

---ICR/JM~


Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]

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